Article: Help Needed - Stolen Motorcycle in Auckland CBD Hotel - CCTV Video Footage

[Maralc]

Hy there,

My bike (2009 GSX-R 750) was stolen from the garage of the hotel that I am staying here in Auckland (just moved from Christchurch).

I edited a video showing the criminals and giving some information.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WTOqOsMy6k

If you know anything about these criminals or the bike please help!

Thank you!

Marcelo

[TOTO]

Ok bro, CT has your back.

[EJK]

Oh man I wanna drive that big red truck up their ass real good.

[Mekk]

those clowns didn't look like they knew what the fuck they up to.

which hotel are you at?

[miloking]

is the rego JF8787? i couldnt quite read it in the video..... just in case i see it around auckland since iam in CBD everyday...

[Mekk]

hey man, couple things...

i tried to get a decent still of the rego, came up with first attached pic. I thought it might have been JF8787 like that dude said but ran a carjam report on it and got nothing. (edit: i did get something but it was - CarJam Report: jf8787 - VOLKSWAGEN CAMPMOBILE 1973 in Green) bit off the mark.

tried again with XF8787 and brought up 1992 Nissan Terrano in (grey??). googled 1992 terrano to see if it looks similar anyway, found second attached pic which looks very similar...

even though it says it's grey, that stat doesn't mean shit. i've spoken to reps from NZTA who routinely say that it's not a required field and can be anything.

so anyway, hope this helps a bit.

[miloking]

it does look more like XF8787 for sure...also if its not stolen plate, the thieves are more stupid than i though. Its time to pay $7 on the carjam and pay them a visit...hopefuly there will be maroon terrano in a drive way...

[GPXchick]

The nerve of some people, taking waht they obviously don't have the brains to control. I feel for you buddy and will definitely keep an eye open on the roads for you.:yes:

[GPXchick]

Vehicle details
Make: NISSAN
Model: TERRANO
Year: 1992
Submodel: R3M TURBO
Main colour: Grey
Vehicle type: Passenger Car/Van
Body style: Station Wagon
No of seats: 5
CC rating: 2,660cc
Fuel type: Diesel
Assembly type: Imported Built-Up
Country of origin: Japan
Gross vehicle mass: 2,125kg

•Licence expires in 3 weeks 6 days on 3rd May 2011.
•RUC distance may soon be exceeded. The expiry is at 227,680 Km (odometer) with an estimate current odometer reading of 226,344 Km.

VIN: 7A8DH2B0798081002
Plate: XF8787
Plate type: Standard
Engine no: TD27-107878
Chassis: WBYD21-081002

[cynna]

they look pretty stupid so shouldnt be long before they get caught

[Mom]

How absolutely sick making, I just watched that video, far canal! I hope the police catch these wankers.

[sinfull]

What a couple of clowns, I'd be at their door by now fuckin baseball bat in hand !

[Maha]

That is great footage as much as, these guys will be caught.

[DR650gary]

Doesn't it make you proud to be a Kiwi :angry:

[dodgyguy]

Vehicle details
Make: NISSAN
Model: TERRANO
Year: 1992
Submodel: R3M TURBO
Main colour: Grey
Vehicle type: Passenger Car/Van
Body style: Station Wagon
No of seats: 5
CC rating: 2,660cc
Fuel type: Diesel
Assembly type: Imported Built-Up
Country of origin: Japan
Gross vehicle mass: 2,125kg

•Licence expires in 3 weeks 6 days on 3rd May 2011.
•RUC distance may soon be exceeded. The expiry is at 227,680 Km (odometer) with an estimate current odometer reading of 226,344 Km.

VIN: 7A8DH2B0798081002
Plate: XF8787
Plate type: Standard
Engine no: TD27-107878
Chassis: WBYD21-081002

For about $15 you can go to the post shop and find out the owners details (name and where they live) or if you speak nicely to any machanic they can do the same via the online WOF. This is all assuming that the car isnt stolen.

If you do find the buggers, lets us aucklanders know.....

[Laava]

Mass turnup at their place?

[diablo]

Mass turnup at their place?

sounds great :yes:

[Quasievil]

Put it on me Facebook, hopefully others will and the spread of this info will be greater.
sorry that this happened to you dude , not nice

[Katman]

I edited a video showing the criminals and giving some information.



Look on the positive side - if that video's anything to go by, criminals appear to be getting dumber.

[C.Linnell]

As exciting as a mass-turnup (mmmm... mass turnip) would be, I presume the cops have seen the video etc.?

[C.Linnell]

OK I just watched the vid. All explained there :-)

[baptist]

Look on the positive side - if that video's anything to go by, criminals appear to be getting dumber.

Dumber! If it was not so bloody serious and anoying it would be funny. What a pair:facepalm: one ray of hope is that when they get the bike out it falls on one of them, the bike gets a soft landing and the thief gets a broken leg...

I will keep an eye out for the Nissan, hope you get the bike back real soon and that it is not too much the worse for wear:yes:

Wonder if they are local to the hotel? bit risky driving to far with the tail up and a bike hanging out the back? I know they don't have a brain cell between them but ...

[Maralc]

Hey guys,

Thanks a lot for your comments and effort. The plate of the bike is A1AMT. The hotel is Bianco Off Queen Apartments at 2 White Street (Street behind real groove at Queen St).

The police says the plate is stolen and the vehicle. They identified both already. The guy left the shoe in the crime scene and the police is doing a DNA test on it. If they passed through the police already they can be identified.

Some people here maybe know possible destinations for a stolen bike. They can disassemble for parts, remove the plate and use for racing which would make easier for some people here to spot at some track. Any other ideas?

Thanks again.

Marcelo

[Maralc]

Hi Quasievil,

I have it already on facebook. Do you recommend some pages I should be sharing it too?

Thanks
Marcelo

[mokomoa]

Fkn scumbags! very sorry for you dude, do you have insureance?
I will defineatly keep an eye out up here for ya. There aren,t that many bikes around in my area so they would stand out like dogs balls.
Worth a good fkn bashing for sure!

[motor_mayhem]

Mate I know the feeling exactly

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/136221-Stolen-KTM450-and-RMZ450-%2828-March-2011%29

Unfortunately there is probably less hope for me than there is for you as there were no videos and only a couple of partial prints off my bike stand, and both my bikes were really dirt bikes. These crooks have absolutely no concept of the saving one has to do to own a good bike, something which annoys me no end

[over5tayer]

Welcome to auckland :facepalm:. All the best for catching these guys - it must've been pretty painful watching your pride n joy treated like that by these twats. Ill show this vid to some of my friends and we'll keep an eye out for em. As stupid as they seem they surely wont be dumb enough to hang around the city after stealing a car and a bike... but you never know :blink:

do you have any insurance on the bike?

[oldrider]

Look on the positive side - if that video's anything to go by, criminals appear to be getting dumber.

Not so much dumber (no room for movement there) as confident that their lifestyle will simply continue, even if they are caught! :mellow:

It says more about NZ society as a whole to me, not a good look! :facepalm:

Cocky little cunt needs shot, only chance of redemption for that one! :sick:

[sil3nt]

Posted on my facebook. Doubt anyone knows anything but the more people that see it the better.

[imdying]

Hope they get caught riding it.... by an oil tanker that isn't able to stop in time and smears them all over the payment.

They die in a horrible way that ensures there isn't going to be an open casket which causes their families intense pain and suffering, insurance gets you a new bike. Win win.

[nodrog]

Dont be to hard on the poor bastards, they cant even afford a decent sized van.

[Insanity_rules]

Thats rough Dude, hope you get it back. Bike Thieves deserve a public flogging in my opinion!

[BoristheBiter]

Thats rough Dude, hope you get it back. Bike Thieves deserve a public flogging in my opinion!

All thieves deserve a public flogging.:yes:

[jasonu]

I am sure you have already done so but notify all the bike shops you can think of incase someone starts ordering body parts, mirrors etc that got damaged in the thieft. Let the wreckers know to be on the lookout for parts from your model. A total cunt called Seam Ginty stole a couple of bikes from me a few years ago and Andrew from the Pukekohe Motorcycle Graveyard spotted some of my stuff that Sean tried to sell to him.

[kilgh]

OMG. Are they the auditioning for "World's Dumbest"? That was the most inept crime I've seen outside of the programme. Unbelievable!

Don't they have security guards watching the CCTV in real time? That theft seemed to take forever.

[rapid van cleef]

good luck with hunting down these total scum bags. off with their hands!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck I've seen it all now!


Sorry about your loss.

[onearmedbandit]

Posted it up on my FB page as well. Sickening vid to watch.

[Maralc]

Thanks for the recommendation. Will do that!


I am sure you have already done so but notify all the bike shops you can think of incase someone starts ordering body parts, mirrors etc that got damaged in the thieft. Let the wreckers know to be on the lookout for parts from your model. A total cunt called Seam Ginty stole a couple of bikes from me a few years ago and Andrew from the Pukekohe Motorcycle Graveyard spotted some of my stuff that Sean tried to sell to him.

[Ducky848]

Posted it up on my FB page as well. Sickening vid to watch.

+1

Gutting.

[StoneY]

Yeah shared it off a facebook post too, bastards.

[racefactory]

I have a feeling these are the kind of guys that one of us will see cruising down the road at anytime. From past stories, some of the shit these guys do is unbelievable. Really worth keeping your eyes peeled now.

It's all very well talking rubbish but we need to discuss what exactly we will do in the event of spotting the vehicle/bike.

We all know the cops are fucking useless so there needs to be some sort of contingency plan and while we all might want to crack some skulls straight away, it might not solve the problem and get the bike back. There's only one shot at it I think.

To the OP... where is your contact number? Where are the VIN and frame number details ont he bike? Come on man get your shit together.

[Metastable]

Geez.... that was hard to watch!!!! The dude with the white shoes has a unique way of walking.

I hope you get your bike back or/and land those two b!tC#es in The Big House.

[Maha]

Hope they get caught riding it.... by an oil tanker that isn't able to stop in time and smears them all over the payment.

They die in a horrible way that ensures there isn't going to be an open casket which causes their families intense pain and suffering, insurance gets you a new bike. Win win.

Explain your theory on how or indeed why a motorbike would be on the ocean?

[nodrog]

Explain your theory on how or indeed why a motorbike would be on the ocean?

you got it backwards bro

http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/la-japan-quake-cole08.jpg

[Crasherfromwayback]

you got it backwards bro

http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/la-japan-quake-cole08.jpg

Hahahaha...beat me to it!

[PrincessBandit]

That was completely sickening, firstly watching the thieving shits case it then come back and manhandle it the way they did to force it into the back of the vehicle. I'd have laughed seeing the way they strained with levering it around - hope they both suffer from major groin hernias from the exertion so bad they end up looking like they have three nuts.

Seriously good footage though. Couldn't the dumb wankers see the camera? Strewth, what a coupla morons. Hope the police track them down, although the best humiliation will be the publicity that everyone is spreading showing these dickwads for what they are.

P.s. If you thought Auckland was a "safe" city, then you are somewhat misguided. We might not have earthquakes, but we have f@ckn crims who don't think twice about preying on anyone in order to feather their own nests.

[Oblivion]

Kiwibiker organized bashing. I like it. :yes:

Lets get the wankers :angry:

[Laava]

If 100 of us gave you ten dollars, you would be able to offer a $1000 reward for info leading to arrest. I am up for $10 in that eventuality. These guys will know a LOT of people that would like $1000.

[Oblivion]

$1000

:drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:: drool::drool:

[p.dath]

I'd start searching Trade Me ... but alas I suspect it has already been disassembled and will be sold as parts.

[Kennif]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WTOqOsMy6k&feature=player_embedded

[Teflon]

Kiwibiker organized bashing. I like it. :yes:

Lets get the wankers :angry:

I'm sure the owner can handle these two physically weak little girls


I hope you find them and your bike.

[onearmedbandit]

I've requested this go on the home page.

[chanceyy]

That was completely sickening, firstly watching the thieving shits case it then come back and manhandle it the way they did to force it into the back of the vehicle. I'd have laughed seeing the way they strained with levering it around - hope they both suffer from major groin hernias from the exertion so bad they end up looking like they have three nuts.

Seriously good footage though. Couldn't the dumb wankers see the camera? Strewth, what a coupla morons. Hope the police track them down, although the best humiliation will be the publicity that everyone is spreading showing these dickwads for what they are.

P.s. If you thought Auckland was a "safe" city, then you are somewhat misguided. We might not have earthquakes, but we have f@ckn crims who don't think twice about preying on anyone in order to feather their own nests.


yeah with you on the sickening watch, the way they manhandle it to get it in the back .. gutted for you dude but awesome pic of the wankers .. get it on TV someone will know them ;)

[Maralc]

I called TVNZ and they told me they didn't have interest on it. Called NZHerald also. They got my details and said somebody would get in contact with me. They didn't yet. Will call them again tomorrow.

Hey, if it could go on the main page here would be great. It's not just about my bike, but about the sense of safety about having a bike here in Auckland.

These guys coming 3am saturday night - queen street - full of people - destroy the gate and steal the bike...was really an abuse!

Thanks for all the nice comments.



yeah with you on the sickening watch, the way they manhandle it to get it in the back .. gutted for you dude but awesome pic of the wankers .. get it on TV someone will know them ;)

[chanceyy]

I called TVNZ and they told me they didn't have interest on it. Called NZHerald also. They got my details and said somebody would get in contact with me. They didn't yet. Will call them again tomorrow.

Hey, if it could go on the main page here would be great. It's not just about my bike, but about the sense of safety about having a bike here in Auckland.

These guys coming 3am saturday night - queen street - full of people - destroy the gate and steal the bike...was really an abuse!

Thanks for all the nice comments.


how about Police 10/7 link here (http://www.police.govt.nz/wanted/ten7) not sure if its still on TV at present .. but these are just the type of pics/footage they love .. have a chat to the police about it ..

[ukusa]

I called TVNZ and they told me they didn't have interest on it.
If the ground shook while it was being stolen, they'd bend over backwards for it.

[rapid van cleef]

Contact Yahoo NZ or their news homepage too maybe?

[R6_kid]

I can't watch it... Youtube is saying that the video is private?

[ac3_snow]

I can't watch it... Youtube is saying that the video is private?

yeap ditto I have already watched it but was goin to post on facebook for ya, try and get some more views and it states 'private'?

[Kemet]

seems it went private about 20 minutes ago.

I posted link on facebook and it was working fine then not even 5 minutes later it stopped working and I couldn't get back in to it

[Laava]

It shows criminals doing actual crime. No doubt the human rights watchdogs have clamped down on it to protect the criminals from harm or embarrasment.

[Kemet]

It shows criminals doing actual crime. No doubt the human rights watchdogs have clamped down on it to protect the criminals from harm or embarrasment.

oh yes. sounds about right. can't go embarrassing criminals.

[BoristheBiter]

To the OP, do they look around the rest of the garage or do they just find out where your bike is then leave?
It just seems a bit of a coincidence that the day you pick it up it gets nicked.

Hope you get it back.

[theseekerfinds]

I just tried to watch the video but it comes up as a private video and won't let me see it.. how can I get a look at it??

[Berries]

Ditto. But cunts anyway. With any luck there will be a Police pursuit tonight that ends with a biker down thread. If you don't get it back at least there will be some comfort.

[Mekk]

what date was it stolen? or how many k's had it done?

probably a coincidence but there's that other thread talkin about ugly GSXR750 fairings...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-365499605.htm

[Gubb]

The guy left the shoe in the crime scene and the police is doing a DNA test on it.

I feel for you, but this certainly isn't the case.

[Kennif]

It shows criminals doing actual crime. No doubt the human rights watchdogs have clamped down on it to protect the criminals from harm or embarrasment.

Or it could have been taken down on police advice so as not to prejudice the trial - we wouldn't want the scumbags to get off on a technicality would we?

[oldrider]

Or it could have been taken down on police advice so as not to prejudice the trial - we wouldn't want the scumbags to get off on a technicality would we?

Bit of a long shot there Kennif, that would be back when the Police actually had an interest in fighting crime!

Lawyers and the justice system are part of the problem rather than the solution today too!

Ever heard of a rabbit board that actually "exterminated" rabbits? :oi-grr:

It would be like destroying their own rice bowl FFS! :brick:

[yod]

To the OP, do they look around the rest of the garage or do they just find out where your bike is then leave?
It just seems a bit of a coincidence that the day you pick it up it gets nicked.

Hope you get it back.

I was wondering this myself, some connection to the moving company perhaps?

[Virago]

...I edited a video showing the criminals and giving some information.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WTOqOsMy6k...

Hi Maralc,

Can you advise why access to the video has been removed, and is it going to be re-instated?

There's little point in everyone promoting this video, if no-one is allowed to view it.

[Maha]

Hi Maralc,

Can you advise why access to the video has been removed, and is it going to be re-instated?

There's little point in everyone promoting this video, if no-one is allowed to view it.

Theres probably been an arrest already.

[Tunahunter]

Theres probably been an arrest already.

Good job if there has - I'd beside myself watching some tosser do that to my bike

[Maralc]

Guys,

The support here has been really awesome.

The police asked me to take the video out temporarily.

I will make it public again shortly.

Marcelo

[Str8 Jacket]

Guys,

The support here has been really awesome.

The police asked me to take the video out temporarily.

I will make it public again shortly.

Marcelo

Oh FFS, have they told you why they wanted you to do so?

[Ducky848]

Perhaps they don't like being shown up?
Lets face it, if there was no CCTV footage the chances of the police finding it, or even bothering to investigate would be less than fuckall.

[DEATH_INC.]

I grabbed this still from the vid....not real clear though....
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/terrano1/theif2.jpg

[Dafe]

2 Days is temporary. Keen to see the vid and any news on an arrest yet?
Hope they nail the scumbags.

[bsasuper]

Would you jump off a cliff if the popo told you to?

Get the vid back up, you will have more chance of information if you do.

[D3ALN]

I tried to watch video and it came up that it was private?

[Hopeful Bastard]

I tried to watch video and it came up that it was private?


Shit, Really mate? Maybe this reply might help your unsolvable answer? :shutup:



Guys,

The support here has been really awesome.

The police asked me to take the video out temporarily.

I will make it public again shortly.

Marcelo

[aprilia_RS250]

I grabbed this still from the vid....not real clear though....
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/terrano1/theif2.jpg

They'll make a nice pair of bitches once they enter prison.

[Ironclaw]

Keen to see the vid when it comes back online. F#CKERS!!!! really feeling for you mate, had a dirt bike stolen a while ago, knew who did it too but didn't have any evidence to prove it... hope something good comes of this, would love to participate in a biker bashing from the KB crew :woohoo:

[Conquiztador]

Bummer re the vid gone. Was gonna forward it to some ppl in Akl that might be able to help.

Let us know why it is gone and when it is back.

[Maralc]

Hi guys,

The police asked to take the video out, but today I could put the video back on.

The bike was recovered by the police. Awesome job! And yes, the police asked me to take the video out and I did it. Their request made all the sense! If the criminals had seen the video (knowing they were caught on CCTV) they would run away and dump the bike.

The two criminals were arrested yesterday.

The insurance will be taking care of the fixes and I will be back with it on the road soon.

Thanks for all the support!!!

Marcelo

[Swoop]

Fucking SUPERB!!!

When do we watch the bastards having their hands chopped off with a blunt axe??

[Edbear]

Hi guys,

The police asked to take the video out, but today I could put the video back on.

The bike was recovered by the police. Awesome job! And yes, the police asked me to take the video out and I did it. Their request made all the sense! If the criminals had seen the video (knowing they were caught on CCTV) they would run away and dump the bike.

The two criminals were arrested yesterday.

The insurance will be taking care of the fixes and I will be back with it on the road soon.

Thanks for all the support!!!

Marcelo

Great news! Why is it that so often the Police do their job and yet we hear so little about it! My tenant's car was stolen last week and the Police found it and arrested the two scumbags who will be facing as many charges as the Police can think up! Theft of two vehicles, possession of breaking and entering tools, doing a runner from a gas station, etc. etc.

The Police knew what they were doing and they were right in your case and my tenants.

[jim.cox]

The two criminals were arrested yesterday.


YAY

now to name and shame

plus a visit or two from "the lads"

[racefactory]

Hi guys,

The police asked to take the video out, but today I could put the video back on.

The bike was recovered by the police. Awesome job! And yes, the police asked me to take the video out and I did it. Their request made all the sense! If the criminals had seen the video (knowing they were caught on CCTV) they would run away and dump the bike.

The two criminals were arrested yesterday.

The insurance will be taking care of the fixes and I will be back with it on the road soon.

Thanks for all the support!!!

Marcelo

Can't you tell us more about it? How were they caught and in which part of the country etc etc.

What kind of age and background etc of the crims and what is the likely sentence that they will receive?

[imdying]

Post it here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/133276-The-bike-thief-name-and-shame-thread).

[mrmeal]

good shit mate! thats an awesome ending, well done the team in Blue. Good result, least you'll have it back shortly.

[yod]

Can't you tell us more about it? How were they caught and in which part of the country etc etc.

What kind of age and background etc of the crims and what is the likely sentence that they will receive?

and what's the damage like?

[Grasshopperus]

A happy ending, lucky you :)

[Reckless]

A happy ending, lucky you :)

Yeh right!! when the dicks get handed a $400 fine (like in the thread referenced), a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket and Poor Marcelo never even gets the reparation for his Insurance excess!
No wonder the Revenue gatherers are all out behind their laser guns, more dollars for much less work!!
I've lost a shit load of respect for the cops lately but I must say putting on all that work and seeing these scrotbags get fuck all, must be a bloody frustration!!

Be interesting to see what they get! Keep us posted on the charges and penalties Marcelo!

Oh BTW pleased for you mate!!

[Brett]

Great news! Why is it that so often the Police do their job and yet we hear so little about it! My tenant's car was stolen last week and the Police found it and arrested the two scumbags who will be facing as many charges as the Police can think up! Theft of two vehicles, possession of breaking and entering tools, doing a runner from a gas station, etc. etc.

The Police knew what they were doing and they were right in your case and my tenants.

Because they're the cops, and "fuk da police" didn't ya know? Too busy dissing to be able to report the good news. Same clowns who spout off negatively about the coppers are the ones bleating for help when it goes pear shaped for them.

Glad they nailed these two guys, hope they get what they deserve...good jail time.

[aprilia_RS250]

Superb news, names if possible??

[Laava]

Good result. Lucky you, though it is still a shame it happened at all.
Name and shame for sure although you won't be able to do that legally until the cops get a conviction.

[jim.cox]

hope they get what they deserve...good jail time.

They are more likey to get a slap from a wet bus ticket

Myself, I hope they get the shite kicked out of them by a gang of enraged bikers

[cold comfort]

They are more likey to get a slap from a wet bus ticket


Thats half the problem right there- the judiciary! An old friend (police sergeant) used to despair after knocking himself out to catch the scumbags then have the judge/ social workers go all soft. (After they have been defended by legal aid at taxpayers expense i might add)

[Edbear]

Yeh right!! when the dicks get handed a $400 fine (like in the thread referenced), a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket and Poor Marcelo never even gets the reparation for his Insurance excess!
No wonder the Revenue gatherers are all out behind their laser guns, more dollars for much less work!!
I've lost a shit load of respect for the cops lately but I must say putting on all that work and seeing these scrotbags get fuck all, must be a bloody frustration!!

Be interesting to see what they get! Keep us posted on the charges and penalties Marcelo!

Oh BTW pleased for you mate!!

It's not the Police, mate, they did their job and did it well, it's the Courts that make their job as frustrating as it is. They do their job, lay the charges and the Courts hand out the wet bus tickets! Get on the Judges' case, not the poor sods out there getting beaten up and tarred for our sakes!

[BoristheBiter]

Yeh right!! when the dicks get handed a $400 fine (like in the thread referenced), a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket and Poor Marcelo never even gets the reparation for his Insurance excess!
No wonder the Revenue gatherers are all out behind their laser guns, more dollars for much less work!!
I've lost a shit load of respect for the cops lately but I must say putting on all that work and seeing these scrotbags get fuck all, must be a bloody frustration!!

Be interesting to see what they get! Keep us posted on the charges and penalties Marcelo!

Oh BTW pleased for you mate!!

Like Edbear said, have a go at the courts, its them that hand out the sentence not the cops, they did their job and very well by the sounds of it.

[Berries]

Well they did have a video. Wouldn't be too hard to find Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee seeing as they are bound to have previous.

Glad you got it back though, I know the feeling.

[EJK]

Nice happy ending :sunny:

[Metastable]

That is great news. I'm sure you would have rather it not have happened, but I think this is the next best thing.

I envy your police work down there. We RARELY... , I mean.. I have heard of it happening twice in like 10 years of riding, that police recovering a motorcycle up here. If your bike is gone it is gone. I have heard countless stories of individuals with CCTV video and just being told by our cops that.... too bad so sad, that is why you have insurance.... and they do NOTHING! So I am really amazed to see your police actually taking the matter seriously. Two thumbs up!

[GPXchick]

Fantastic news. CUT their hands off. they won't do it again would they.:shutup:

[zeocen]

It's not the Police, mate, they did their job and did it well, it's the Courts that make their job as frustrating as it is. They do their job, lay the charges and the Courts hand out the wet bus tickets! Get on the Judges' case, not the poor sods out there getting beaten up and tarred for our sakes!

The judges that will be sentencing these lads are, just like the police, there to make sure the law is followed. It's not up to them to randomly change a law and give a couple of bike theifs 5000 years in prison, even if they really, really want to.

You've got to go higher than that, I'm afraid.

[BoristheBiter]

The judges that will be sentencing these lads are, just like the police, there to make sure the law is followed. It's not up to them to randomly change a law and give a couple of bike theifs 5000 years in prison, even if they really, really want to.

You've got to go higher than that, I'm afraid.

Acultly they can, they just choose not to.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM330215.html#DLM330215


Last one i heard about got only 12 months supervision.

[zeocen]

Acultly they can, they just choose not to.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM330215.html#DLM330215


Last one i heard about got only 12 months supervision.

Ugh.

They don't "choose" not to. They have references they have to adhere to, previous decisions and the gravity, deterrence and denunciation of the situation - then add in early guilty plea discounts, mitigating and aggravating factors. It's not quite as simple as, "Yup, you go jail now k."

[puddy]

Ugh.

They don't "choose" not to. They have references they have to adhere to, previous decisions and the gravity, deterrence and denunciation of the situation - then add in early guilty plea discounts, mitigating and aggravating factors. It's not quite as simple as, "Yup, you go jail now k."
Exactly! Sad it isn't different. Wouldn't it be great to have them in stocks in downtown square and bikers could go down and chuck stuff at them ......eggs, rotten friut, coconuts, bricks, large rocks, etc!:woohoo:

[BoristheBiter]

Ugh.

They don't "choose" not to. They have references they have to adhere to, previous decisions and the gravity, deterrence and denunciation of the situation - then add in early guilty plea discounts, mitigating and aggravating factors. It's not quite as simple as, "Yup, you go jail now k."

no, the judges set the precedent not the government.
the government set the laws and maximum. The sentence is there, they choose not to go out of the norm as the don't want any sentence to go to appeal.

And it is just that simple.

[Smifffy]

The nats getting tough on property crime as promised.

[zeocen]

no, the judges set the precedent not the government.
the government set the laws and maximum. The sentence is there, they choose not to go out of the norm as the don't want any sentence to go to appeal.

And it is just that simple.

For the second time you have chosen to complete ignore the reasons I laid out on why they can't do what you're suggesting they choose not to do. I know when to give up.
Armchair lawyers, love it. :facepalm:

[bsasuper]

Judges going soft?, maybe they wont when the public start dishing out justice, not with a wet bus ticket, but a hard baseball bat.Its the only way to get maybe just a little bit of sence into their thick skulls.

[Reckless]

Ugh.

They don't "choose" not to. They have references they have to adhere to, previous decisions and the gravity, deterrence and denunciation of the situation - then add in early guilty plea discounts, mitigating and aggravating factors. It's not quite as simple as, "Yup, you go jail now k."


no, the judges set the precedent not the government.
the government set the laws and maximum. The sentence is there, they choose not to go out of the norm as the don't want any sentence to go to appeal.

And it is just that simple.


For the second time you have chosen to complete ignore the reasons I laid out on why they can't do what you're suggesting they choose not to do. I know when to give up.
Armchair lawyers, love it. :facepalm:

Having an opinion doesn't make Boris an armchair lawyer imho??
And why should we give up (as you say)?? Its only the judges that can change the guide lines if the law already provides for sentences they are not dishing out??
I don't think he ignored your reasons? Boris just wants what we all want a stronger deterrent! Fuck giving them discounts etc and bleeding the sentence to nothing. Simply turn down their appeal or give them even more time when they do! I know for a fact the police get very very sick of doin all that work and they get off for the third time with community service or something similar! The cops are as pissed off with the system as we are, arresting the same wankers, for the same things over an over!!
Its probably 1/2 the reason they can't keep staff??

[BoristheBiter]

For the second time you have chosen to complete ignore the reasons I laid out on why they can't do what you're suggesting they choose not to do. I know when to give up.
Armchair lawyers, love it. :facepalm:

No i didn't ignore the reasons. i just think you are wrong.
Did you even read the link i posted? that is the sentence handed down from government, after that it is down to the judges

You call me an armchair lawyer, where did you get your degree from?

[MSTRS]

For the second time you have chosen to complete ignore the reasons I laid out on why they can't do what you're suggesting they choose not to do. I know when to give up.
Armchair lawyers, love it. :facepalm:

Ah, but they can.
Judges may look to precedents, but they are not impelled to follow them.
Being convicted of tagging can be a jailable offence. Never imposed though.
A HB judge has recently set a new precedent, whereby he ignored previous sentences and sent the little shits to jail.
There is now a new precedent for other judges to measure against.

[zeocen]

MSTRS: As I said, the Judge would've looked at the mitigating, aggravating factors, early discounts on pleas, whether they have community and family support, deterrence and denunciation and sometimes the onus on the accused/prisoner to satisfy the Judge on whether they can be trusted in the community or not. Just because there is a maximum, doesn't mean they CAN give out one - the implications are colossal.

It's not just, "You're a bad apple, DO NOT PASS GO." They have a whole range of factors to decide within the law that's given to them.

Reckless: Re. giving up, that was in relation to giving up talking to the other champion, no idea how Katman, Scumdog, et cetera have kept their sanity this long...

And with that I'm out! :) Glad it all worked out and the criminals are arrested, hooray! :)

[MSTRS]

MSTRS: As I said, the Judge would've looked at the mitigating, aggravating factors, early discounts on pleas, whether they have community and family support, deterrence and denunciation and sometimes the onus on the accused/prisoner to satisfy the Judge on whether they can be trusted in the community or not. Just because there is a maximum, doesn't mean they CAN give out one - the implications are colossal.



Judge looked at all that, then said (and I paraphrase) "The community is sick of this tagging nonsense, and so am I. The law allows me to send you to jail, and that's where you are going."
He went on to say that any other tagger appearing before him could expect the same deal.

In other words - this judge has now set a new precedent, that others around the country may look to when they deal with taggers.

[Reckless]

In other words - this judge has now set a new precedent, that others around the country may look to when they deal with taggers.

Your a wise man John boy!! The only way to set a new line in the sand is not to follow the old one!

[caseye]

Whats more the law is set in stone, but the judges can hand out any penalty "they" think fit within the boundaries of the sentencing mins and maximums that already exist.
The HB Judge is a real person, sick of the BS that does go on inside the courtrooms and the plea bargaining that already exists here, I for one salute his stand and hope that the rest wake up and smell the rotten crap that comes form these arsehole criminals and DO SOMETHING about it as he has done.
The endless list of excuses,apologies and i didn't knows must be curtailed, if you do the crime be prepared to do the time.
Lets make the TIME mean something NZ Judges.
Our Police are sick to the back teeth of coming up against the same felons time and time again for the same crimes and for naturally worrying that these offenders are going to go on and commit bigger and more dangerous crimes if allowed( as they are) to do so.

[terbang]

Well that was an interesting thread along with hideous video footage of a couple of complete morons wrecking a good bike. Some one else's bike too.

Good on the Plod for catching them, its their job and they did it well. Credit where credit is due.

I'm not a lawyer but as an average New Zealander, I'm left with the overwhelming impression that those two morons will get an easy ride on this. That is really bad.

Perhaps a bit more of the "pipe-hittin' niggers, who'll go to work on the boys with a pair of pliers and a blow torch" mentality will do it justice.

[Conquiztador]

The human race has no chance if these two are an indication of who are multiplying.

Gene-pool clensing should be high on the agenda! :facepalm:

[imdying]

What are the names of the cops that did the dead? I'd like to send them some donuts. We rag on them for the stupid shit they have to do, lets do something nice for them when they do good work for us :yes:

[Swoop]

What are the names of the cops that did the dead?
I guess the name would be "necrophiliac (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/necrophiliac)"???

Which (ironically) really should relate to where the bike thieves should be located.

[Reckless]

Our Police are sick to the back teeth of coming up against the same felons time and time again for the same crimes and for naturally worrying that these offenders are going to go on and commit bigger and more dangerous crimes if allowed( as they are) to do so.

Yeh mate I made this same comment!

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Here we go from the Salute Kiwi cops Facebook.
Several posts on different cases!
Expressing their dismay at short sentences! This is only page one from today's Facebook.

The pdf might be more visible same as the pic.

[knuckles24]

I couldn't watch anymore as i was getting to angry, i hope they catch the fuckers who pinched your bike or if someone else who can identify them for you then you can go round and torture the bastards. :facepalm:

[Virago]

I couldn't watch anymore as i was getting to angry, i hope they catch the fuckers who pinched your bike or if someone else who can identify them for you then you can go round and torture the bastards. :facepalm:

Dude - if you're going to dredge up an old thread, at least read the damn thing...:facepalm: