What will go wrong with a 1992 CBR250RR in the next two years?

[fatboy323]

Hey all,

Considering buying one of them. Just as the reliability goes: What can I expect to go wrong with a 1992 CB250RR, provided that it is:
- less than 40k
- reasonably maintained
- shows no problems when buying

I'm not talking about normal stuff like brake pads, oil, tyres etc, but more along the lines of shocks, carbs, lines, radiator, CDI, valves, rings, gaskets. If you know, please include a rough price for replacement parts.

Thanks
:corn:

[superman]

Hey all,

Considering buying one of them. Just as the reliability goes: What can I expect to go wrong with a 1992 CB250RR, provided that it is:
- less than 40k
- reasonably maintained
- shows no problems when buying

I'm not talking about normal stuff like brake pads, oil, tyres etc, but more along the lines of shocks, carbs, lines, radiator, CDI, valves, rings, gaskets. If you know, please include a rough price for replacement parts.

Thanks
:corn:

It'll 'splode all over your face!

[fatboy323]

It'll 'splode all over your face!

Don't you love it when people take time to constructively reply :bash:

[racefactory]

Hey all,

Considering buying one of them. Just as the reliability goes: What can I expect to go wrong with a 1992 CB250RR, provided that it is:
- less than 40k
- reasonably maintained
- shows no problems when buying

I'm not talking about normal stuff like brake pads, oil, tyres etc, but more along the lines of shocks, carbs, lines, radiator, CDI, valves, rings, gaskets. If you know, please include a rough price for replacement parts.

Thanks
:corn:

From my experience the only thing that will go wrong on an MC22 during that time period is the suspension. Pitting on the fork legs and blown fork seals/leaking oil, leaking rear shock and very poor suspension action are the only things that do stand a good chance of happening really. You can not rebuild an MC22 rear shock.

Brake discs are pretty hard to warp even going hard on them.

The MC14e engines are the best... never go wrong and new engines are very cheap and easy to find. You can get a whole running engine anywhere from 200- 800.

As long as it's been regularly used carbs should be fine. Low mileage models are the ones that will generally have problems and need carb work.

But the bottom line is there is nothing in particular about the MC22 that will go wrong. They will outlast the new ninja 250 and hyosung shit. It's one of the few bikes with awesome performance and absolutely zero inherent weaknesses. There's just nothing wrong with them! Stock suspension is particularly woeful though but nothing to be concerned about if you aren't going for knee downs on every roundabout.

Respring it to your weight with new oil, get a fresh aftermarket rear shock in there and you will have a cornering weapon on your hands- in a different world from the new Ninja 250 stuff (basic 1980's technology wrapped in shiny plastic) and hyobags. Stock MC22's have done 1.14 @ Pukekohe and 2.00 laps at Phillip Island... but you probably don't care about that.

Good luck and just get it... an MC22 is an awesome asset.

[sil3nt]

Don't you love it when people take time to constructively reply :bash:Don't you love it when people are too damn lazy to search something that has been asked a million times before :rolleyes:

[Phreak]

If you find a good condition MC22, definitely get it over anything new these days, you wont regret it! I know I dont! :yes:

[Gremlin]

Get yourself a multi-sided die, put some options on it.

Then roll it for as many outcomes as you would like.

Even buying a brand new bike, you can't answer what could go wrong in 2 years. I've put 60k on a bike in 2 years.... thats a lot of time in which for things to go wrong.

Just don't let the smoke out of the engine... When smoke comes out, it's all over.

[ajturbo]

it'll cost you a fortune in
Gas
Tyres
demerit points
fines
...
lost girls friends (unless they can keep up)

[p.dath]

The CBR250RR's are a very reliable bike. The biggest risk to them is the rider.

[Phreak]

it'll cost you a fortune in
Gas
Tyres
demerit points
fines
...
lost girls friends (unless they can keep up)

Ohhh, so that's where all my problems are coming from? Gees, why didn't you say so!
(However, even at todays gas prices, I still get a full tank of 95 octane for under $25, and easily get 200km out of it!)

[fatboy323]

From my experience the only thing that will go wrong on an MC22 during that time period is the suspension. Pitting on the fork legs and blown fork seals/leaking oil, leaking rear shock and very poor suspension action are the only things that do stand a good chance of happening really. You can not rebuild an MC22 rear shock.

Brake discs are pretty hard to warp even going hard on them.

The MC14e engines are the best... never go wrong and new engines are very cheap and easy to find. You can get a whole running engine anywhere from 200- 800.

As long as it's been regularly used carbs should be fine. Low mileage models are the ones that will generally have problems and need carb work.

But the bottom line is there is nothing in particular about the MC22 that will go wrong. They will outlast the new ninja 250 and hyosung shit. It's one of the few bikes with awesome performance and absolutely zero inherent weaknesses. There's just nothing wrong with them! Stock suspension is particularly woeful though but nothing to be concerned about if you aren't going for knee downs on every roundabout.

Respring it to your weight with new oil, get a fresh aftermarket rear shock in there and you will have a cornering weapon on your hands- in a different world from the new Ninja 250 stuff (basic 1980's technology wrapped in shiny plastic) and hyobags. Stock MC22's have done 1.14 @ Pukekohe and 2.00 laps at Phillip Island... but you probably don't care about that.

Good luck and just get it... an MC22 is an awesome asset.

AWESOME:Punk:! Exactly what I was looking for.


Don't you love it when people are too damn lazy to search something that has been asked a million times before :rolleyes:

I've actually looked through maybe 10 first pages of results and the only things popping up were along the lines CBR250RR vs. Ninja vs. Hyosung vs. GSX1000 vs. bus :yes: Also, a question like that asked 5 years ago won't be very relevant today.


it'll cost you a fortune in
Gas
Tyres
demerit points
fines
...
lost girls friends (unless they can keep up)

These things don't worry me :whocares: I'm going to be a considerate, law abiding and courteous rider :innocent:

[fatboy323]

... As long as it's been regularly used carbs should be fine. Low mileage models are the ones that will generally have problems and need carb work.

So, looking at this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=364255425) bike.

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/19/164506319_full.jpg





Honda cbr 250rr 1990

Kilometres: 19,328km
Year: 1990


Please No! this is a very reluctant sale!

due to that part of life called "age" we are taking that next step and buying a house.
my partner has given me the hard word that I must sell this bike before we purchase a home!

Who ever gets this bike is going to be very happy,

I have owned this baby for the past 3 years since I bought it as a new import from the Motoworld Dealership in the North Shore.

In the past three years of owning this bike it has caused myself no issues what so ever, that may be due to the fact I haven't ridden it a lot and am more of a cruizer than a racer.

This Bike is all very standard apart from the fact it has new discs and has an after market exhaust, the exhaust on this bike has given it such an amazing sound its incredible!

as you would expect this bike has a brand spanking new W.O.F and registration.

it is in perfect working condition and any genuine enquires feel free to contact my self and we may be able to set up a test ride.

Also there is one thing that needs to be done to the bike, at some stage it will need a new seat, as you can see by the pictures the seat is fine however it is just one that was made up as unfortunately my new puppy two years ago decided to have a nibble on the old seat.

apart from that, in my opinion this is a beautiful bike. however feel free to come and inspect yourself to create your own opinion.

I will try answer all question as soon as I can.

Any advice from just looking through its description? I will have it inspected, if it's worth it.

Pros:
- low km
- looks ok
- low-ish price

Cons:
- potential carb problems, as per racefactory (how much to have it sorted in a worst case scenario?)
- I've spoken to the owner and he never changed oil in it:facepalm: mind you he only did about 3000kms in the 3 years he owned it. So I would assume that NO maintenance was done to the bike for 3 years. How bad exactly is this? Sludge build up/worn bearings or all good ?

What things would need to be changed if I were to get it? New chain, sprockets, new oil/filter, brake pads, new battery anything else?

Thanks :woohoo:

[StoneY]

These things don't worry me :whocares: I'm going to be a considerate, law abiding and courteous rider :innocent:

And you wanna hyper 250..... lol reads like you need a scorpio

[tigertim20]

Hey all,

Considering buying one of them. Just as the reliability goes: What can I expect to go wrong with a 1992 CB250RR, provided that it is:
- less than 40k
- reasonably maintained
- shows no problems when buying

I'm not talking about normal stuff like brake pads, oil, tyres etc, but more along the lines of shocks, carbs, lines, radiator, CDI, valves, rings, gaskets. If you know, please include a rough price for replacement parts.

Thanks
:corn:

overall, theyre a very reliable little bike. they are one of the fastest 4 stroke 250's, so have been popular for quite a few years, that means theyve survived 20 years of thrashing, testament to their toughness.
Just give it a good look over for things that generally deteriorate with age, wheel, swingarm and steering head bearings, chain and sprockets, brake lines, etc.
Also get something that has good tyres brakes etc, if you have to fork out for tyres, chain and sprockets and brake pads in the first few months, youre already spending over a thousand bucks on top of purchase.

[imdying]

Go and look at a lot of them, and make sure you ride them too (unless they're a total heap). Then you will be the man who can spot/feel a good one. Given that it's you that is paying for it, that's not a bad position to be in.

Remember, there is absolutely no hurry. If you think something is too good and it'll be snapped up, check yourself, another bargain will be along soon enough, don't jump in too quickly.

[gammaguy]

you will die of boredom

[racefactory]

So, looking at this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=364255425) bike.

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/19/164506319_full.jpg


Any advice from just looking through its description? I will have it inspected, if it's worth it.

Pros:
- low km
- looks ok
- low-ish price

Cons:
- potential carb problems, as per racefactory (how much to have it sorted in a worst case scenario?)
- I've spoken to the owner and he never changed oil in it:facepalm: mind you he only did about 3000kms in the 3 years he owned it. So I would assume that NO maintenance was done to the bike for 3 years. How bad exactly is this? Sludge build up/worn bearings or all good ?


Thanks :woohoo:

Yeap, typical. He never changed the oil, the previous owner never did for his 4000, or the guy before that- but no it doesn't matter... it's LOW KMS!!!! What a crock of shit.

Low kms is not a pro on any accounts unless you count the number of stone chips on the fairings. It masks problems. Condition is the key with these bikes. Low kms on these bikes very often means:
sticking brake calipers possibly causing warped brake rotors= $$$.
rust in places you dont want
possibly ancient tyres= causing potentially massive damage to yourself and bike and others
gummed up carbs= poor economy and flat spots, bugs and dead shit inside waiting to lift off and get sucked causing all kinds of running issues.
all kinds of seals and lines that have never been changed that will perish due to time and little use
fork oil and engine oil thats never been changed due to being passed between owners without much use.

- If the bike has had good regular use it will have have had all inevitable teething problems and headaches sorted. The bike will be likely be sorted and ready to go for a long time yet. Engines are replaced easily and I bet you'll write off the bike or sell it long before you ever wear it out. Chances are it might have an aftermarket shock, fork internals and other goodies too :) . Used, sorted reliable workhorses are the way to go. Someone who uses it regularly will always need to take care of it rather than a 'low kms' weekend thrash toy with engine oil still from the Hamatsu factory 1990.

'low kms!!!', 'tidy' bikes... been there done that. Fucking headaches usually. Even if it's kept in a museum it will always have problems if it's not used.

But yeah I agree with the other guy... you may as well roll the dice, there are too many variables. Just go look and ride a lot of them... condition is the key. Don't look at kms unless you want to use it as a bargaining tool.

[fatboy323]

Yeap, typical. He never changed the oil, the previous owner never did for his 4000, or the guy before that- but no it doesn't matter... it's LOW KMS!!!! What a crock of shit.

Low kms is not a pro on any accounts unless you count the number of stone chips on the fairings. It masks problems. Condition is the key with these bikes. Low kms on these bikes very often means:
sticking brake calipers possibly causing warped brake rotors= $$$.
rust in places you dont want
possibly ancient tyres= causing potentially massive damage to yourself and bike and others
gummed up carbs= poor economy and flat spots, bugs and dead shit inside waiting to lift off and get sucked causing all kinds of running issues.
all kinds of seals and lines that have never been changed that will perish due to time and little use
fork oil and engine oil thats never been changed due to being passed between owners without much use.

- If the bike has had good regular use it will have have had all inevitable teething problems and headaches sorted. The bike will be likely be sorted and ready to go for a long time yet. Engines are replaced easily and I bet you'll write off the bike or sell it long before you ever wear it out. Chances are it might have an aftermarket shock, fork internals and other goodies too :) . Used, sorted reliable workhorses are the way to go. Someone who uses it regularly will always need to take care of it rather than a 'low kms' weekend thrash toy with engine oil still from the Hamatsu factory 1990.

'low kms!!!', 'tidy' bikes... been there done that. Fucking headaches usually. Even if it's kept in a museum it will always have problems if it's not used.

But yeah I agree with the other guy... you may as well roll the dice, there are too many variables. Just go look and ride a lot of them... condition is the key. Don't look at kms unless you want to use it as a bargaining tool.

Sweet, thanks for that. Yeah, thinking about it everything you said makes sense :scratch:

[Brett]

Great little bikes, seen a few binned and live to fight another day. Mechanically strong motors, front forks prone to blowing seals, but then what older bikes aren't. Would have got one, but was a bit bigger than the average CBR rider so got a ZXR250C and found it to be equally good (better handling actually...but that might have just been that specific bike).

Enjoy!

[racefactory]

ZXR suspension is a lot better... loads better. Not because it is fully adjustable but because the dampening is just so much better.

[over5tayer]

i think you should go for that MC22 on trademe. Have you txtd him asking around how much they want for it?

I bought my MC19 with 7,500 k's 1.5 months ago and its awesome :sunny:. First thing i did was put new tread (Pirelli Sport Demon - rear, Michelin Sport - front) and gave it new oil/filter. Ive already done 4000 k's and it hasnt missed a beat :scooter:.

get a MC22 or a MC19 they're definitely the best 250's out :yes:

[Chancebmx25]

get a two stroke u wont be dismissed.

[racefactory]

i think you should go for that MC22 on trademe. Have you txtd him asking around how much they want for it?

I bought my MC19 with 7,500 k's 1.5 months ago and its awesome :sunny:. First thing i did was put new tread (Pirelli Sport Demon - rear, Michelin Sport - front) and gave it new oil/filter. Ive already done 4000 k's and it hasnt missed a beat :scooter:.

get a MC22 or a MC19 they're definitely the best 250's out :yes:

After various MC22's and ZXR250s I'd say the ZXR250 is the better. I've never heard of a cam chain snapping on one and the tensioner doesn't have to be inspected very often at all. It will give out some noise before the tensioner develops problems. Apart from this I'd say in every way it's slightly above the MC22... most notably the suspension is actually pretty ok. It's got better low end power and it is on average cheaper than the MC22 because of the whole Honda image.

[fatboy323]

After various MC22's and ZXR250s I'd say the ZXR250 is the better. I've never heard of a cam chain snapping on one and the tensioner doesn't have to be inspected very often at all. It will give out some noise before the tensioner develops problems. Apart from this I'd say in every way it's slightly above the MC22... most notably the suspension is actually pretty ok. It's got better low end power and it is on average cheaper than the MC22 because of the whole Honda image.

What about the 2nd popping out problem, I keep hearing?


i think you should go for that MC22 on trademe. Have you txtd him asking around how much they want for it?

I bought my MC19 with 7,500 k's 1.5 months ago and its awesome :sunny:. First thing i did was put new tread (Pirelli Sport Demon - rear, Michelin Sport - front) and gave it new oil/filter. Ive already done 4000 k's and it hasnt missed a beat :scooter:.

get a MC22 or a MC19 they're definitely the best 250's out :yes:

I think he wants about 4k for it, but from racefactory's advice (see top of the page) it might not be a very good candidate.

I'm also stocked that you seem to be able to get a complete set of fairings for like $6-700 bucks from e-bay for MC22, is there a catch?

[racefactory]

What about the 2nd popping out problem, I keep hearing?



I think he wants about 4k for it, but from racefactory's advice (see top of the page) it might not be a very good candidate.

I'm also stocked that you seem to be able to get a complete set of fairings for like $6-700 bucks from e-bay for MC22, is there a catch?

Every sports bike will develop worn engagement dogs on the input shaft that cause it to slip out of gear from excessively bad shifts. It is by all means not exclusive to a zxr250... every bike from a gn125 to a zx6r can develop this problem. I've never had a zxr250 with a bad second gear but i've had a mc22 that loved false neutrals... it's luck of the draw.

[racefactory]

I'm also stocked that you seem to be able to get a complete set of fairings for like $6-700 bucks from e-bay for MC22, is there a catch?

I've had the chinese fairings on a bike and they are bloody good. Be prepared to tinker around with mounting points slightly and tail light holes which don't line up perfectly but all in all you can't go wrong with them.

[fatboy323]

Every sports bike will have worn engagement dogs that cause it to slip out of gear from excessively bad shifts. It is by all means not exclusive to a zxr250... every bike from a gn125 to a zx6r can develop this problem. I've never had a zxr250 with a bad second gear but i've had a mc22 that loved false neutrals... it's luck of the draw.

Sweet, might start looking at ZXRs too then. I was under impression that the 2nd popping out was an inherent flaw, if not then I think ZXR looks a bit better than CBR :scratch:

[racefactory]

Sweet, might start looking at ZXRs too then. I was under impression that the 2nd popping out was an inherent flaw, if not then I think ZXR looks a bit better than CBR :scratch:

I really haven't heard of an inherent flaw with a zxr250 gearbox but I won't rule it out either. It's who you know and what you've heard.

ZXR250s have all been delights for me. I can't deal with stock MC22 suspension though... but really there is nothing in it, both awesome bikes.

[Brett]

ZXR suspension is a lot better... loads better. Not because it is fully adjustable but because the dampening is just so much better.

Yeah, that is definitely what I noticed and I did ride both the CBR and ZXR a lot. ZXR was faster every time. CBR is still a fantastic machine...bugger all in it at the end of the day between the two.

[Brett]

What about the 2nd popping out problem, I keep hearing?



I had 4 of these bikes (ZXR250C's) and not one ever had this problem and I must have clocked up tens of thousands of kms on each one. FYI I only had 4 of them because I kept buying scratched ones off trademe and fixing them. I bought one at 19,000kms and when I sold it at 50,000kms the only thing I had ever had to have done was tyres. Dunlop GPR 100 = awesome tyre.

[Brett]

I've had the chinese fairings on a bike and they are bloody good. Be prepared to tinker around with mounting points slightly and tail light holes which don't line up perfectly but all in all you can't go wrong with them.

depending on the manufacturer...can be a bit poor quality, ie crap strength. Have some on the CBR400rr track bike and they are pretty flimsy. Better to get scratched originals from wrecker and repaint IMO.

[fatboy323]

I had 4 of these bikes (ZXR250C's) and not one ever had this problem and I must have clocked up tens of thousands of kms on each one. FYI I only had 4 of them because I kept buying scratched ones off trademe and fixing them. I bought one at 19,000kms and when I sold it at 50,000kms the only thing I had ever had to have done was tyres. Dunlop GPR 100 = awesome tyre.

OK, you convinced me guys - no problems in the gearbox :yes:

I have that one idea in the back of my mind... what y'all recon would happen to the value of a CBR or ZXR if the power-to-weight system is approved for learners? :confused:

[racefactory]

I'd say they'd still hold pretty good value but are sure to go down a little? There is really no other bike that fits into that kind of race replica sport bike category that will be approved except for the RVF400 NC35 somehow. But I'm just guessing.