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98tls
5th April 2011, 17:48
Managed to pick up a set of Gixxer forks with radials for the front of the TL,looking forward to the those brakes as the Hayabusa 6 pots on it now leave plenty to be desired.Should arrive next week so a great wee winter project.:woohoo:Calipers are a bit later model than the forks.

nallac
5th April 2011, 18:40
Sweet,After em how much % is gonna be left of the orginal 98 TLS?...

Robert Taylor
5th April 2011, 19:23
Managed to pick up a set of Gixxer forks with radials for the front of the TL,looking forward to the those brakes as the Hayabusa 6 pots on it now leave plenty to be desired.Should arrive next week so a great wee winter project.:woohoo:Calipers are a bit later model than the forks.

Now what you need to do is somehow graft the TL cartridges into the GSXR forks. Those cartridges are 25mm as opposed to 20mm GSXR cartridges and all their inherent disadvantages. If you want to do something really trick with the better 25mm cartridges they can be converted to 25mm ''NIX'' system using a couple of Ohlins pistons and a little bit of modification to the main tubes etc. Not as expensive as people may assume either.

Lurch
5th April 2011, 19:51
Now what you need to do is somehow graft the TL cartridges into the GSXR forks.

What a party-pooper.

JimO
5th April 2011, 21:22
Sweet,After em how much % is gonna be left of the orginal 98 TLS?...

it will be like grandads axe

nallac
5th April 2011, 21:59
it will be like grandads axe


LOL, so three new handles and two replacement heads................
but still Grandads axe.

AllanB
5th April 2011, 22:33
Purdy. Alloy billet triple clamps on order then? Dollar is good ................... :woohoo:

Robert Taylor
6th April 2011, 08:52
What a party-pooper.

No, we just happen to know that the 25mm TL cartridges have the potential to work a whole load better than the 20mm lower cost GSXR ones.

HenryDorsetCase
6th April 2011, 08:57
Managed to pick up a set of Gixxer forks with radials for the front of the TL,looking forward to the those brakes as the Hayabusa 6 pots on it now leave plenty to be desired.Should arrive next week so a great wee winter project.:woohoo:Calipers are a bit later model than the forks.

I love stuff like this.

You're using aftermarket wheels already, correct? Presumably you can't use zip ties, blu tack and duct tape to hold it all together: presumably you start at the wheel and work from there? Like AllanB says, new billet clamps and away you go. Are the clipons reusable? (i.e. same diameter at the top?)

98tls
6th April 2011, 10:13
Will be using stock Triples,no real reason not to and that aside im broke,yep using aftermarket rims but they dont change anything re the forks and fitting.All i need is 2.5mm disc spacers,0.5mm botom triple shims,4 M10X70X1.25 stainless socket head bolts.Forks came with a radial master cylinder so some lines and im good to go.RTs idea sounds great and no doubt works a treat but im happy enough with what ive gone with after talking with a few blokes on the TL forum that have done the same.

Robert Taylor
7th April 2011, 17:55
Will be using stock Triples,no real reason not to and that aside im broke,yep using aftermarket rims but they dont change anything re the forks and fitting.All i need is 2.5mm disc spacers,0.5mm botom triple shims,4 M10X70X1.25 stainless socket head bolts.Forks came with a radial master cylinder so some lines and im good to go.RTs idea sounds great and no doubt works a treat but im happy enough with what ive gone with after talking with a few blokes on the TL forum that have done the same.

No worries, do be aware though that the GSXR forks seriously lack high speed rebound force causing ''standup'' at corner transition. It can only be corrected with internal revalving, if you wind in the rebound adjuster to try and correct it the low speed rebound is then too lazy and you lose mechanical grip, plus compliance.

98tls
7th April 2011, 18:21
No worries, do be aware though that the GSXR forks seriously lack high speed rebound force causing ''standup'' at corner transition. It can only be corrected with internal revalving, if you wind in the rebound adjuster to try and correct it the low speed rebound is then too lazy and you lose mechanical grip, plus compliance.

What sort of $ we talking R?,theres no rush for me to get these things on so no reason i couldnt put away some $ and send them up and let you do your thing.Might just as well do it right after shelling out for them.And fwiw your comments and advice are appreciated.

98tls
7th April 2011, 18:26
Sweet,After em how much % is gonna be left of the orginal 98 TLS?...

Well the basics are still there eh,frame and motor.:innocent:When im old and wrinkley (well more so) no doubt there will come a time when i take all the crap off it and return it to oem,20/30 years time will be a nice classic Jappa.

AllanB
7th April 2011, 19:10
Then your big decission.

Big-bore kit or supercharger :facepalm: Hell buy a lotto ticket and do both!



I'm presuming you sorted the rear end out years back?

nallac
7th April 2011, 19:12
I'm presuming you sorted the rear end out years back?


Trust a Honda rider to be asking about his rear end.........................

AllanB
7th April 2011, 19:19
Trust a Honda rider to be asking about his rear end.........................

Hey you don't want it bouncing all over the place when you are giving it heaps :innocent:

bogan
7th April 2011, 19:28
Will be using stock Triples,no real reason not to and that aside im broke,yep using aftermarket rims but they dont change anything re the forks and fitting.All i need is 2.5mm disc spacers,0.5mm botom triple shims,4 M10X70X1.25 stainless socket head bolts.Forks came with a radial master cylinder so some lines and im good to go.RTs idea sounds great and no doubt works a treat but im happy enough with what ive gone with after talking with a few blokes on the TL forum that have done the same.

May want to go with zinc plated rather than stainless to be on the safe side if they are near aluminium (galvanic corrosion). Gotta love them upgrades though, what weight loss / hp upgrades are you up to now?

98tls
7th April 2011, 19:55
Then your big decission.

Big-bore kit or supercharger :facepalm: Hell buy a lotto ticket and do both!



I'm presuming you sorted the rear end out years back?

Well if you mean binned the Rotary yea awhile back.Replaced it with a Hagon unit,its no Ohlins but does in the meantime,for better or worse it will eventually end up with a SSSA off a Triumph Sprint or similar,depends what the mad though very clever buggers on the TL site come up with between now and whenever.I just dont want to be the guinea pig.:blink:

98tls
7th April 2011, 20:01
May want to go with zinc plated rather than stainless to be on the safe side if they are near aluminium (galvanic corrosion). Gotta love them upgrades though, what weight loss / hp upgrades are you up to now?

Ive no idea to be honest mate,motor wise bugger all more than what i started out with (enough for this old fart) all ive done is mucked about with a Yosh ecu tuner,filter,Tre.Weight wise also no idea,best thing ive done there was the rims,bikes feels way different though the actual difference was only 6 or so kgs between them an oem,possibly not even that much but the "rotating mass" thing has something to do with it,feels much more anyway.Along the way much has been taken off completly or replaced but ive actually no idea of what ive carved off it,dont care much to be honest i just enjoy the mucking about.

98tls
7th April 2011, 20:08
Will add that i fully realize any sensible person would have just gone and bought a new bike but after 38 years of bikes i enjoy doing this sort of thing more.Not for everyone but when i factor in $ spent and enjoyment received doing it its way more than i ever got simply writing a cheque out for a new bike.(not that i did that to often)

98tls
7th April 2011, 20:10
Hey you don't want it bouncing all over the place when you are giving it heaps :innocent:

Donkey punch fixes that mate.:innocent:

nallac
7th April 2011, 20:17
Will add that i fully realize any sensible person would have just gone and bought a new bike

Wheres the fun in that?...

I've got a mate thats lost 3x the amount (or more)i've spent on mine by trading his Bikes in for later models???????????

In my eyes why have one 30k bike when i could have 3-4 7ishk bikes..(or loose 30k on trades)or two modded ones ,such as your TLS..

bogan
7th April 2011, 20:25
to be honest i just enjoy the mucking about.

pretty much sums it up aye! and at the end of the day you got something tailor made for you, not what mr suzuki/honda/etc thinks is good enough.

We had a look at putting an RC31 SSSA onto a cbr600f3, one of the big issues was the shock is offset a bit to one side, so the link design was going to get a bit more complicated, wouldn't be surprised if an offset shock was standard for SSSAs. Other than that it would have been pretty easy to cut out a new linkage and good to go!

98tls
7th April 2011, 20:27
Wheres the fun in that?...

I've got a mate thats lost 3x the amount (or more)i've spent on mine by trading his Bikes in for later models???????????

In my eyes why have one 30k bike when i could have 3-4 7ishk bikes..(or loose 30k on trades)or two modded ones ,such as your TLS..

All good eh,Think what i am trying to say is these days i enjoy the time in the shed mucking about with it as much as the riding it,the TLs a bit different than most around these days and i kind of like that,most that come across it seem to as well.All good.

98tls
7th April 2011, 20:34
pretty much sums it up aye! and at the end of the day you got something tailor made for you, not what mr suzuki/honda/etc thinks is good enough.

We had a look at putting an RC31 SSSA onto a cbr600f3, one of the big issues was the shock is offset a bit to one side, so the link design was going to get a bit more complicated, wouldn't be surprised if an offset shock was standard for SSSAs. Other than that it would have been pretty easy to cut out a new linkage and good to go!

Sounds interesting,i came across an SV650 with a SSSA set up and posted pics on here ages ago but for the life of me i cant remember what the Swinger was off,it was well done whatever it was.A bloke on the TL site had a tasty S with Sprint sssa and Ducati shock,very nice and went well..briefly.Will hunt out some pics sometime,when out riding with a few other poms on TLs an old lady decided to drive into them all resulting in the thing sitting upside down,perfectly,though the frame was f#cked.:facepalm:

bogan
7th April 2011, 20:36
All good eh,Think what i am trying to say is these days i enjoy the time in the shed mucking about with it as much as the riding it,the TLs a bit different than most around these days and i kind of like that,most that come across it seem to as well.All good.

yeh I know what you mean, finish off one mod ride it for a bit, then think of something else cool to do and have it in bits again. Reckon the point at which you start thinking of redoing some old mods, is time to get another one and start over.

98tls
7th April 2011, 20:43
yeh I know what you mean, finish off one mod ride it for a bit, then think of something else cool to do and have it in bits again. Reckon the point at which you start thinking of redoing some old mods, is time to get another one and start over.

Few pics of TL conversions fwiw.First one is the one that got written off.:facepalm:Edit,stuffed that up,was the one in the 3rd pic,have a pic somewhere of it after the crash,very sad.Bloke that owned it is making the spacers etc for my fork change.

bogan
7th April 2011, 20:57
Few pics of TL conversions fwiw.First one is the one that got written off.:facepalm:Edit,stuffed that up,was the one in the 3rd pic,have a pic somewhere of it after the crash,very sad.Bloke that owned it is making the spacers etc for my fork change.

yeh that looks bloody mint, guess that's the downside of custom, if it's fucked, it can't be replaced.

JimO
7th April 2011, 21:23
All good eh,Think what i am trying to say is these days i enjoy the time in the shed mucking about with it .

gets you away from her indoors as well

Robert Taylor
7th April 2011, 21:31
What sort of $ we talking R?,theres no rush for me to get these things on so no reason i couldnt put away some $ and send them up and let you do your thing.Might just as well do it right after shelling out for them.And fwiw your comments and advice are appreciated.

Around $350 incl. Also if they are 600 forks the spring rate is .9 and likely too light for that bike. Youll need the 750 springs which are 1.0s. Or a split, .9 in the left leg and 1.0 in the right. Once subtly revalved these forks work very well for production 20mm units.

98tls
7th April 2011, 21:46
Around $350 incl. Also if they are 600 forks the spring rate is .9 and likely too light for that bike. Youll need the 750 springs which are 1.0s. Or a split, .9 in the left leg and 1.0 in the right. Once subtly revalved these forks work very well for production 20mm units.

:blink:Way less than i imagined to be honest,very glad i asked and thanks for taking the time to offer your advice/knowledge,i can imagine at times you read posts from those of us that "like to tinker" and :facepalm:shake your head.All my "mucking about" is done on a pretty tight budget so i will set about putting the $ away and then get in touch re getting them up for you to sort.Will say again thanks for taking the time to post up,much appreciated fella and ive no doubt when i get them back and on the bike it will be well worth the time to do it.

jasonu
12th April 2011, 15:29
Managed to pick up a set of Gixxer forks with radials for the front of the TL,looking forward to the those brakes as the Hayabusa 6 pots on it now leave plenty to be desired.Should arrive next week so a great wee winter project.:woohoo:Calipers are a bit later model than the forks.

Did you buy these forks of a guy in Titirangi? If yes, they were intended for a bucket project. I bought them off of ebay thinking they were 41mm but ended up 43mm was too big for the project. A shame as they are bloody nice forks.

98tls
12th April 2011, 15:33
Did you buy these forks of a guy in Titirangi? If yes, they were intended for a bucket project. I bought them off of ebay thinking they were 41mm but ended up 43mm was too big for the project. A shame as they are bloody nice forks.

Nope,got them off a guy in Adelaide.

jasonu
14th April 2011, 16:02
Nope,got them off a guy in Adelaide.

How much did they cost if you don't mind me asking? I sold mine on Tardme for
$300ish.

98tls
14th April 2011, 20:33
More than that but came with later model calipers and master cylinder/lines and new pads,post sucked but they arrived as advertised so happy,have bought stuff off the guy before so went with a safe bet.Arrived today.When ive got the $ will send them up to R Taylor to do his thing.

AllanB
15th April 2011, 20:26
Excellent stuff.

Enjoy the mucking around myself. I've always a pile of dream bits on my ebay wishlist!