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p.dath
13th April 2011, 14:58
Can you spot the motorcycle?
http://www.aucklandmaps.co.nz
I got sent the link from ACC. It's the new "visibility campaign" by Auckland Transport.
slofox
13th April 2011, 15:01
Yep - right there...
Maha
13th April 2011, 15:05
Saw a huge billboard on Kahikatea Flats road on Sunday...featured a bike following a car and read 'Think Twice Before Overtaking'...dont know who put it there.
bogan
13th April 2011, 15:07
Can you spot the motorcycle?
http://www.aucklandmaps.co.nz
I got sent the link from ACC. It's the new "visibility campaign" by Auckland Transport.
Even a retarded chimp should be able to see that bike, is there some biker-only internet filter that stops car drivers looking at the page? I mean why else would the message not at least hint at the drivers responsibility to look :facepalm:
Also, have they done something to his headlights? Don't look quite right to me.
slofox
13th April 2011, 15:07
Saw a huge billboard on Kahikatea Flats road on Sunday...featured a bike following a car and read 'Think Twice Before Overtaking'...dont know who put it there.
There's one on the road to Raglan. Says "Motorcycle Crash Zone"
I'm not sure if it's a warning or an invitation...
Usarka
13th April 2011, 15:08
That's fucking stupid. I would have seen the prick if the site would let me look.
High vis wouldn't have made a fucking difference. The driver looking would have. ACC are complete and utter fucktards.
Maha
13th April 2011, 15:10
I wonder how much that land for sale is? to the right. Good spot for a diary.
Sun-strike could be a problem at the intersection...its pretty gleary looking right.
Maha
13th April 2011, 15:12
There's one on the road to Raglan. Says "Motorcycle Crash Zone"
I'm not sure if it's a warning or an invitation...
Funny you should say that, there was a chap at Colmans the other week looking at a 1200 Bandit, he had just trashed his the week before at Raglan.
YellowDog
13th April 2011, 15:13
It's probably a silly question to ask bikers :yes:
MSTRS
13th April 2011, 15:14
Is this a trick question? There's more than two motorcyclists? :shit: Teehee
What I didn't spot were any 30kph limit signs. There's a man working on the side of the road. And those oh-so-dangerous road cones. Aren't speed signs mandatory about Auck roadworks?
bogan
13th April 2011, 15:17
also, judging by the distance, that bike must be doing less than half the speed of the car for the car to get through in front at the intersection, his awareness could have avoided the accident too. Yup, think I'll stick with awareness over high vis any day.
george formby
13th April 2011, 15:19
That's unpleasant, unrepresentative, fear mongering, propaganda IMHO.
I am struggling to find a starting point to explain the bias & misinformation presented in that little shocker of a video.
I think the motto from ACC should really read, "we don't give a toss about motorcyclists & neither should you"
nodrog
13th April 2011, 15:19
He was speeding, good job!
MSTRS
13th April 2011, 15:20
also, judging by the distance, that bike must be doing less than half the speed of the car for the car to get through in front at the intersection, his awareness could have avoided the accident too. Yup, think I'll stick with awareness over high vis any day.
What accident? All I see is a google street view...
Edit: - As you were. I figured it out. The biker was in plain sight, but he should have had his headlights on. That's the law. But doubt it would make any difference. Looked like the car driver had a headcam...he didn't even look before pulling out.
Usarka
13th April 2011, 15:20
Oh you can look right.
Kind of proves that it is fucked in the head drivers that cause the problem by not looking, nothing to do with what the rider is wearing. Twats.
Edit/PS: FFS don't send that link to anyone, fuck their viral campaign. In fact move this thread to PD.
george formby
13th April 2011, 15:22
What accident? All I see is a google street view...
Play with it man! It's interactive trickery doo da.
Maha
13th April 2011, 15:22
Is this a trick question? There's more than two motorcyclists? :shit: Teehee
What I didn't spot were any 30kph limit signs. There's a man working on the side of the road. And those oh-so-dangerous road cones. Aren't speed signs mandatory about Auck roadworks?
You would think, recent road works in the Dome sees a Stop/Go man...which is all fine but, no 'Prepare to Stop' sign 500mts before said Stop/Go man who was lurking around a left hand bend...we rely on the visual sense up here, a line of break lights a good sign...:corn:
oneofsix
13th April 2011, 15:25
nice to see the rider obeying the headlight law :shutup: and is still visible. So their point was that the headlight law is wrong? :innocent:
ducatilover
13th April 2011, 15:36
Looks like an NC29 CBR400 that's been repainted. Good to see they're wearing all the gear on the nice and visible bike. :innocent:
brin_vg
13th April 2011, 15:53
I saw the bike immediately. It's not that bloody difficult.
rickstv
13th April 2011, 15:55
I think what they're getting at is that the workers in hi vis are easier to see than the rider
EJK
13th April 2011, 15:59
I counted 3.
Did you see them?
brin_vg
13th April 2011, 16:03
I think what they're getting at is that the workers in hi vis are easier to see than the rider The fault for this accident blatantly lies with those callous road workers. Bastards.
Hellzie
13th April 2011, 16:06
Wonder what the chick in the pink top is doing walking down a footpath in the middle of a deserted suburban development?
Also, the statement at the end implying that the car driver is looking at the 'scenery' is pretty dodgy. The driver should be looking at the hazards on the road, not at the scenery.
matdaymon
13th April 2011, 16:06
Took me ages to work out that that was a video... great to see our ACC $$ going to good use. Can't see many of the older blokes like my dad working out how that is meant to work :facepalm:
Anyone else notice the chick in front of the road worker? *edit: Damn Hellzie beat me to it
avgas
13th April 2011, 16:07
That a VFR or a Daytona 955i?
Sorry can't see at this distance enough detail.
willytheekid
13th April 2011, 16:07
YAY!! ...that was fun.:woohoo:
Saw the bike...and just like a normal car driver...I pulled out anyway :shit:...no lights or high viz vest means the bike rider is in the wrong ay....ay:blink:
Lucky my virtual tin can kept ME safe tho :facepalm:
MSTRS
13th April 2011, 16:08
I think what they're getting at is that the workers in hi vis are easier to see than the rider
There's only one worker in hi-viz. The other person looks like a woman just walking along the footpath...trying to ignore the ogles of MrHi-VizMan...
brin_vg
13th April 2011, 16:12
Lucky my virtual tin can kept ME safe tho :facepalm: The window didn't even shatter everywhere like it did the last time I slammed into an idiot driver's door.
Hellzie
13th April 2011, 16:12
http://www.aucklandtransport.govt.nz/moving-around/road-safety/MotorcycleSafety/Pages/Think-Twice-Competition.aspx
matdaymon
13th April 2011, 16:27
http://www.aucklandtransport.govt.nz/moving-around/road-safety/MotorcycleSafety/Pages/Think-Twice-Competition.aspx
Yup... still, I wouldn't mind $50 towards some nice new gloves so took their silly test. Whats with the cheese grater symbol when you get a question wrong? They accusing me of something?
brin_vg
13th April 2011, 16:31
I swore I'd finish their silly test nicely but then I accidentally went and put 1 How Stupid Do You Think We Are? Street as my address. Woops.
Usarka
13th April 2011, 16:35
I swore I'd finish their silly test nicely but then I accidentally went and put 1 How Stupid Do You Think We Are? Street as my address. Woops.
Bahahahah lol I wasn't quite so polite :innocent:
bogan
13th April 2011, 16:35
Yup... still, I wouldn't mind $50 towards some nice new gloves so took their silly test. Whats with the cheese grater symbol when you get a question wrong? They accusing me of something?
I wondered that too, maybe the real message they are trying to get across is think twice about riding at all?
matdaymon
13th April 2011, 16:37
I wondered that too, maybe the real message they are trying to get across is think twice about riding at all?
I thought they were accusing me of being a bitch and to get back into the kitchen or something :angry:
bogan
13th April 2011, 16:38
I thought they were accusing me of being a bitch and to get back into the kitchen or something :angry:
Nah they have them on the motorbike test as well as the scooter one :shifty:
Maha
13th April 2011, 16:42
Wonder what the chick in the pink top is doing walking down a footpath in the middle of a deserted suburban development?
....yeah I know what a bitch...:corn:
That really is the issue here... people just wandering aimlessly.:facepalm:
Do away with any/all distractions and the road toll should subside.
yod
13th April 2011, 16:53
That's unpleasant, unrepresentative, fear mongering, propaganda IMHO.
I am struggling to find a starting point to explain the bias & misinformation presented in that little shocker of a video.
I think the motto from ACC should really read, "we don't give a toss about motorcyclists & neither should you"
Completely agree.
"Without Hi-vis clothing you're just part of the scenery"
Oh right, I sincerely apologise for not avoiding the unavoidable fuckwit who can't drive to save him/herself....completely my fault sir!
No mention of the driver who should perhaps take a little more care to actually pay attention to what's going on around them.
Am I safe in presuming there'll be a huge campaign now to convince all drivers that they must only buy hi-vis coloured cars?
Spearfish
13th April 2011, 17:04
at least 10 characters.
Smifffy
13th April 2011, 17:18
At least there is a whole bunch of helpful and relevant stuff on the McSAC website, that was set up by actual bikers.
Oh...
Wait..........
Then wait some more.....
:facepalm:
Oblivion
13th April 2011, 17:19
This is blatant scaremongering. :blink:
I won't wear a hi viz just because someone says that I WILL die with out one. In broad daylight, motorcyclists even without hi viz, are quite easy to see, and hear. Had some dude follow me on a Harley this morning. Heard noise looked in the mirror, saw a bike. Boom! I took care to give him space, blah blah blah.
The times that a motorcyclists are in serious danger, is when cage drivers are unaware of their own surroundings. As shown in the video.
It was clearly a give way sign. I didn't see any looking. :sick:
george formby
13th April 2011, 17:24
I feel the implications of that ad are about as clear a statement from ACC as I have yet heard....
If you ride a bike then the onus is on you to be seen & avoid incident regardless of other road users behaviour.
:yes::angry:
I stand corrected, it's not just ACC it's Auckland Transport. Ok, the powers that be.
Ooooohh, I'm so flustered I'm getting confused. Time for a cup of tea & a lie down.
Bald Eagle
13th April 2011, 17:33
, fuck their viral campaign. In fact move this thread to PD.
PD please quickly :sick:
blackdog
13th April 2011, 17:38
Agreed. PD.
MadDuck
13th April 2011, 18:25
"Without Hi-vis clothing you're just part of the scenery"
Am I safe in presuming there'll be a huge campaign now to convince all drivers that they must only buy hi-vis coloured cars?
That MUST be it! All road users must be Hi-Viz! Will stop people driving with hangovers I guess.
bogan
13th April 2011, 18:33
That MUST be it! All road users must be Hi-Viz! Will stop people driving with hangovers I guess.
That isn't enough, only road users must be allowed high vis. I mean if you ride past some orange flowers you won't be visible :shit:
Time to break out the safety flamethrowers :yes:
<img src="http://archinspire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/orangemarmalade-garden-plants4.jpg" />
Usarka
13th April 2011, 18:41
Time to break out the safety flamethrowers
<img src="http://image.circletrack.com/f/9384280%2Bw750%2Bst0/ctrp_0802_12_z%2Bsafety_precautions%2Bflamethrower .jpg" /img>
Oblivion
13th April 2011, 18:46
<img src="http://image.circletrack.com/f/9384280%2Bw750%2Bst0/ctrp_0802_12_z%2Bsafety_precautions%2Bflamethrower .jpg" /img>
I asked for Dragons ON my helmet. Not in it :facepalm:
Sparrowhawk
13th April 2011, 18:59
mutter mutter, grumble grumble. According to cagers (and certain KB'rs), it's always the bikers fault... :angry:
reemit
13th April 2011, 22:20
Hell, if the dodgy cagers cant see a couple of 60 watters burning holes in their retinas what makes them think that we will be any better off in a NZ Safety clown suit.
DangerMice
13th April 2011, 23:41
I got pulled over for the Police/ACC checkpoint thing today. Was told I could get a free hi-viz vest at Scootling, Red Baron or maybe Motomail. So I thought I might get one, put my helmet cam back on, wear the vest for a month and film all the twats STILL cutting me off, turning in front of me while looking me in the eye etc and send it in to the ACC. HA!
(Or maybe never get cut off again and they can pay me vast sums for the footage to use in ads. heh heh)
ducatilover
14th April 2011, 00:18
I'm keen for new gloves.... One pair for each bike, I bet I am going to get run over twice as fast and it will be doubly my fault.
Brian d marge
14th April 2011, 02:48
Wonder what the chick in the pink top is doing walking down a footpath in the middle of a deserted suburban development?
Also, the statement at the end implying that the car driver is looking at the 'scenery' is pretty dodgy. The driver should be looking at the hazards on the road, not at the scenery.
At least you did spot her , butt ugly face , nice arse , I was getting worried for a moment , 2 or three pages and not one mention of the bird , Though this place had gone queer for a second
oh and there was a bike there , Gsxr ridden by a Nana
Stephen
Berries
14th April 2011, 06:52
"Jasons Guide to Rodney" tells me all I need to know about that webpage.
Bald Eagle
14th April 2011, 06:57
Can you spot the motorcycle?
http://www.aucklandmaps.co.nz
I got sent the link from ACC. It's the new "visibility campaign" by Auckland Transport.
That's just an offensive bit of anti bike propaganda, what we have come to expect from TPTB. Move along folks nothing to see here. :puke:
MSTRS
14th April 2011, 08:42
...2 or three pages and not one mention of the bird ...
Um...post 28...
No idea what make/model the bike is, tho.
over5tayer
14th April 2011, 09:12
Saw a huge billboard on Kahikatea Flats road on Sunday...featured a bike following a car and read 'Think Twice Before Overtaking'...dont know who put it there.
bet it was Katman :laugh:
bogan
14th April 2011, 10:14
For anyone wanting to leave some feedback, here is thier feedback page (http://www.aucklandtransport.govt.nz/online-services/feedback/general-feedback.aspx) however that wouldn't submit for me, so here is an info email address for them (info@aucklandtransport.govt.nz)
and here is my feedback for them:
I have just seen your latest high visibility clothing for motorcyclists google maps type campaign. I'm absolutely disgusted with it. It is so far removed from any real world situation that most who view it see it for the garbage it is, and those who believe it are likely to be worse off because of it.
Firstly, I cannot comprehend why no mention is made of the driver's many failings, not checking both directions, pulling out without looking anywhere, etc. Also, judging the distances involved, the car must have traveling much faster even while going through the intersection for it to get ahead of the motorcycle, this gives any half aware motorcyclist ample time to avoid the idiotic actions of the car driver. It also looked like the bike was not using running lights which are now required by law, another obvious attempt to move this example further away from the reality which is that high vis simply isn't the easy fix all solution here.
Secondly, those who do watch and believe this are likely to be worse off. It suggests that it is the bikers fault if they are not seen, so car drivers watching won't be encouraged to take a proper look. It also suggests that high visibility clothing is a fix all solution, and rider awareness is not as important, giving a false sense of security to those who wear high vis.
Finally, I've attached a less biased flyer providing details about high visibility clothing, there are known and documented reasons why in some situations it provides very little benefit. I suggest whoever came up with this visibility effort familiarizes themselves with these reasons.
MSTRS
14th April 2011, 10:52
And mine...
Having just watched your so-called motorcycle safety video clip, I am disgusted that yet again the motorcyclist is being villified for the poor road skills of other motorists. Why no mention of the motorcycle's lights not being on, which is the only legal requirement s/he didn't observe? Regardless of that, the driver at the GiveWay didn't. They didn't even look. The video would only be worthy of applause if it targeted taking care at intersections and obeying the very simple rules that cover them.
Vulnerable roadusers, such as motorcyclists, already (have to) do so much to protect themselves - being seen is beyond their control, and not their responsibility. That lies with those that should be looking.
avgas
14th April 2011, 11:27
http://www.aucklandtransport.govt.nz/moving-around/road-safety/MotorcycleSafety/Pages/Think-Twice-Competition.aspx
I only got 2 out of 5 - Here are my reasons :
236598
1) I can stop a bike if the brakes don't work. How far do you think you can ride when the handlebars fall off.
2) I never got noticed with bright bike, helmet and clothing. Now drivers avoid being on the road with me since I went completely black
5) If your holding up traffic on a motorbike, pull over and either take a HTFU pill or wait for all the traffic to go then sneak home so no-one sees how much of a pussy you are. L platers holding up traffic are exempt as they are already pussies that will get some balls eventually, thus speeding them up to traffic speeds.
Bald Eagle
14th April 2011, 11:50
1) I can stop a bike if the brakes don't work. How far do you think you can ride when the handlebars fall off.
Sent that correction to their feedback link :lol:
buellbabe
14th April 2011, 11:50
That's fucking stupid. I would have seen the prick if the site would let me look.
High vis wouldn't have made a fucking difference. The driver looking would have. ACC are complete and utter fucktards.
EXACTAMONDO.
What a freaking pile of crap. Talk about biased. Biggest load of rubbish they have come up with yet.
They can stick their freaking hi-vis where the sun doesn't shine.
That kind of garbage makes me SOOOOOOO ANGRY. Why is it the motorcyclists fault that the car pulled out without looking????
Brian d marge
14th April 2011, 11:51
Um...post 28...
No idea what make/model the bike is, tho.
28 posts , I was getting worried
mine was , bike , bird and lazy sod resting on shovel when he should be didding holes
Stephen
ps , my first accident on a bike was because I spotted the bird first..........
MSTRS
14th April 2011, 12:26
ps , my first accident on a bike was because I spotted the bird first..........
Snap! If only the car in front of me hadn't stopped...
Brian d marge
14th April 2011, 12:30
Snap! If only the car in front of me hadn't stopped...
I knew it was the cars fault , always is,,,,,,
748south
14th April 2011, 12:32
I'd be more worried about that weird hovering arrow in the middle of the road. That shit is whack.
avgas
14th April 2011, 13:20
Sent that correction to their feedback link :lol:
Clearly the questions were written by some fucktard whom has no history riding bikes.
Everyone has bike stories like "the brakes were fucked so I took it easy home" or "the tyre blew out, and I just hung on"......
No bikers I have ever met have a story like
"The handbars lifted in the air, so I hugged the tank and managed to pull over"
its always
'Lying on my back on the bike seat, bars in my hand all I could think was "Well fuck me, now I'm fucked"...........just as the bike began to topple'
Check the brakes.......pffft check the important parts required to ride the bike before you check the ones required to stop it. You can ride a bike with no brakes, no clutch, no lights, no engine, no tank, no hi-viz, no shoes, no pants......not even a brain is required. There are 1000's of photos of this. But how many people you seen successfully riding a bike with no handlebars?
imdying
14th April 2011, 13:54
I don't know what you lot are on about, it's representative of New Zealand driving... I came to the intersection, looked both ways, and pulled out anyway.
avgas
14th April 2011, 14:48
I don't know what you lot are on about, it's representative of New Zealand driving... I came to the intersection, looked both ways, and pulled out anyway.
This test
http://www.aucklandtransport.govt.nz...mpetition.aspx (http://www.aucklandtransport.govt.nz/moving-around/road-safety/MotorcycleSafety/Pages/Think-Twice-Competition.aspx)
CookMySock
14th April 2011, 15:14
I think what they're getting at is that the workers in hi vis are easier to see than the riderI spotted the cutie in the pink top first, and then I ran over the biker! lol
Bald Eagle
14th April 2011, 16:57
Heres there response to my feedback on this dubious campaign FFS:
Dear Mr
Customer reference no.: AT2011/015363
Subject: Motorcycle safety
Thank you for contacting us regarding Auckland Transport Motorcycle safety campaign. Please find below a response from our Community Transport Team-
Auckland Transport is running this road safety initiative as part of a series of initiatives in the Auckland Transport Motorcycle Campaign. The aim of the Campaign is to encourage Motorcyclists to wear hi vis vests, wear protective gear and to seek training.
Motorcycles are less visible to other road users than cars or trucks, and there is a higher level of risk per kilometer traveled than other modes of transport. Several studies have compared the risk of death and injury for a motorcyclist to that of a car driver. The New Zealand Travel Survey indicates that, on average, the risk of being involved in a fatal or injury crash is more than 18 times higher for a motorcyclist than for a car driver over the same distance traveled (2003-2007 data). This campaign is raising motorcycling awareness to reduce crashes and serious injuries. and fall into an area of High Concern (Road Safety Safer Journeys 2010).
Please note the following statistics
· Motorcycle are 2.9% of the vehicle fleet yet they account for 10% of the fatal and 21% of the injury ACC claims
· Motorcycle casualties have increased by almost 100% from 31<sup>st</sup> December 2001 – 2008
Auckland Transport works in collaboration with NZTA, ACC, NZ Police and Community Groups to reduce motorcycle crashes.
Thank you for taking the time to write to us.
Kind Regards
MSTRS
14th April 2011, 17:04
So they are still singing from the same old 2009 songsheet, courtesy of Nick the Prick and ACC.
They are not listening.
Bald Eagle
14th April 2011, 17:08
So they are still singing from the same old 2009 songsheet, courtesy of Nick the Prick and ACC.
They are not listening.
To listen requires A desire to hear.:angry::angry::angry:
brin_vg
14th April 2011, 17:12
That wasn't even a reply, just generic copy paste bullshit..
bogan
14th April 2011, 17:29
Heres there response to my feedback on this dubious campaign FFS:
Pricks didn't respond to me! Or did you get the web form to work?
george formby
14th April 2011, 17:30
Heres there response to my feedback on this dubious campaign FFS:
Dear Mr
Customer reference no.: AT2011/015363
Subject: Motorcycle safety
Thank you for contacting us regarding Auckland Transport Motorcycle safety campaign. Please find below a response from our Community Transport Team-
Auckland Transport is running this road safety initiative as part of a series of initiatives in the Auckland Transport Motorcycle Campaign. The aim of the Campaign is to encourage Motorcyclists to wear hi vis vests, wear protective gear and to seek training.
Motorcycles are less visible to other road users than cars or trucks, and there is a higher level of risk per kilometer traveled than other modes of transport. Several studies have compared the risk of death and injury for a motorcyclist to that of a car driver. The New Zealand Travel Survey indicates that, on average, the risk of being involved in a fatal or injury crash is more than 18 times higher for a motorcyclist than for a car driver over the same distance traveled (2003-2007 data). This campaign is raising motorcycling awareness to reduce crashes and serious injuries. and fall into an area of High Concern (Road Safety Safer Journeys 2010).
Please note the following statistics
· Motorcycle are 2.9% of the vehicle fleet yet they account for 10% of the fatal and 21% of the injury ACC claims
· Motorcycle casualties have increased by almost 100% from 31<sup>st</sup> December 2001 – 2008
Auckland Transport works in collaboration with NZTA, ACC, NZ Police and Community Groups to reduce motorcycle crashes.
Thank you for taking the time to write to us.
Kind Regards
I wonder how much general traffic levels have increased in that time.
Stuff the hi viz I'm going to wear a big bulls eye front & back.
The implication of this thread is I am a target, for Road Transport, ACC & non motorcycling road users. Might as well give them something to aim at.
matdaymon
14th April 2011, 18:29
That wasn't even a reply, just generic copy paste bullshit..
I'd email them back demanding someone who actually knew what they were talking about "thanked" you for your time. Every biker knows those statistics they love to cling to are a crock of shit.
Hi Vis or No hi Vis the biker in that wee vid was fucked from the beginning because the driver like many on our roads doesn't abide by the basic rules of the road :angry:
Grr now I'm rambling... Must be time to make dinner
MadDuck
14th April 2011, 20:38
Pricks didn't respond to me!
Nor me. But if I got the generic response BE got I may just lose my cool! That can get pretty ugly.......
Berries
14th April 2011, 23:38
Motorcycle casualties have increased by almost 100% from 31st December 2001 – 2008
I wonder how much general traffic levels have increased in that time.
I wonder what the stat they quote actually means. 31st December 2001 vs all of 2008? Who knows. And who cares, it is obviously a standard reply with data they got given from ACC and they haven't bothered to question it. Maybe they should concentrate on getting their intersections up to standard before wagging the finger at road users.
superman
15th April 2011, 02:09
ACC goes on hold right now! Ahhh that's much better, thought I was about to get a hernia. :yes:
Bloody bastards, can someone please shoot the idiots. Why can't national who privatise EVERYTHING not bloody privatise the one thing that might actually benefit privatisation! DO IT, cull the tossers.
bogan
15th April 2011, 13:24
Nor me. But if I got the generic response BE got I may just lose my cool! That can get pretty ugly.......
haha, no doubt! Just got a 'response' today, apparently I can expect a proper one within 10 days :wait:
Sounds like the auckland PTB really aren't biker freindly. Below is a bit from the ARTA 2009-2012 safety plan (http://www.roadsafeauckland.org.nz/media/pdf/ARTA_Safety_Plan_2009-2012_%20low_res.pdf).
Care should be taken to avoid the adoption of
policies that could encourage greater motorcycle use rather than
use of other transport modes in the region.
and
As motorcyclist numbers are increasing the number of crashes
involving them is also increasing. Safety measures include a
range of rider training and safety promotions. The high social cost
of motorcycle crashes indicates that from a safety perspective it
is a highly subsidised form of transport. Legislative changes to
improve safety and the visibility of riders are needed.
MSTRS
15th April 2011, 13:35
You can bet your last dollar that is central government's policy as well.
Who said we weren't being forced off the road?
Bald Eagle
15th April 2011, 13:57
:angry::angry::angry: so we have an acknowledged public policy to discourage our existence.
:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry: might be time to stop playing nice with these head up their arse mongrels.
MSTRS
15th April 2011, 13:58
I just rec'd the same insightful (sic) response from their tame currymuncher. Perhaps trained monkey would be more apt?
I felt that another observation from me was in order...
Your response is noted.
It is also noted that it is meaningless. It takes no intelligence to forward a thoughtless form letter, the content having been supplied by the mindless drones in Nick Smith's office, using manufactured statistics from ACC's anti-motorcycle department.
Shame on you for buying into the philosophy that motorcycles are dangerous machines and that their riders need to be saved from themselves.
I exhort you to actually talk to motorcyclists about the issues they face on our roads.
Or better still, go ride one yourself. Only then might you understand what is really needed to improve rider safety.
brin_vg
15th April 2011, 14:32
As motorcyclist numbers are increasing the number of crashes
involving them is also increasing. GREAT SCOTT
Have they considered that increasing numbers of car users might also be contributing to our statistics? How about instead of worrying how many bikers are being injured, focus on the number of car drivers who run bikers down.
ducatilover
15th April 2011, 14:34
GREAT SCOTT
Have they considered that increasing numbers of car users might also be contributing to our statistics? How about instead of worrying how many bikers are being injured, focus on the number of car drivers who run bikers down.
That is in no way appropriate material for debates, it makes far to much sense.
Get out.
Katman
15th April 2011, 14:43
GREAT SCOTT
Have they considered that increasing numbers of car users might also be contributing to our statistics? How about instead of worrying how many bikers are being injured, focus on the number of car drivers who run bikers down.
We could just as easily say, how about we focus on the number of accidents that motorcyclists are having that are easily avoidable.
oneofsix
15th April 2011, 14:45
We could also say, how about we focus on the number of accidents that motorcyclists are having that are easily avoidable.
If you just restricted yourself to that very thing I would have more respect for you, and so might many others.
Katman
15th April 2011, 14:48
If you just restricted yourself to that very thing I would have more respect for you, and so might many others.
It's pretty much all I've been saying all along.
oneofsix
15th April 2011, 14:51
It's pretty much all I've been saying all along.
No. When you pick on motorcycle accidents which are not easily avoidable or ones where you don't know all the circumstances you are not saying that at all. What you inadvertently end up saying is that all motorcyclists are fwits and don't deserve space on the roads. I don't think this is your intended message.
brin_vg
15th April 2011, 15:03
I could easily avoid having an accident on my bike by sitting at home and not going anywhere. That, fortunately, isn't the point.
Bald Eagle
15th April 2011, 15:09
GREAT SCOTT
Have they considered that increasing numbers of car users might also be contributing to our statistics? How about instead of worrying how many bikers are being injured, focus on the number of car drivers who run bikers down.
They are batting strictly to form and in true ACC fashion attacking the victims. viz a viz jax et all.
Katman
15th April 2011, 15:13
I don't think this is your intended message.
Part of my intended message has always been "put some thought into how an accident could have been avoided".
"There was nothing I could do" is such a cop-out.
avgas
15th April 2011, 15:18
Motorcycle casualties have increased by almost 100% from 31<sup>st</sup> December 2001 – 2008
Thank god I started riding before 2001. Otherwise I would definitely be dead. I mean there is no avoiding 100%.
Unless that figure is rubbish.
oneofsix
15th April 2011, 15:22
Part of my intended message is "put some thought into how an accident could have been avoided".
"There was nothing I could do" is such a cop-out.
can't argue there except I think some moderation around reasonable actions. There are some that claim "there was nothing I could do" when in fact they were F'wits but when the rider has taken reasonable action or is just discussing contributing factors these discussions are also important. I feel it is also important we as a community look to minimizing these, after all it is the basis on which a lot of road works etc are done.
A car pulling an unsignalled u-turn in front of the bike doesn't leave the rider many options, as shown in Paraparaumu the other day the result is much the same when the following vehicle is a car except the turner is forced to stop.
Bald Eagle
15th April 2011, 15:25
Part of my intended message has always been "put some thought into how an accident could have been avoided".
"There was nothing I could do" is such a cop-out.
So tell oh wise one how did I not avoid the disqualified hit and run driver who came out of side road on SH 1 and hit me side on about level with my back wheel.?
Stay at home or catch the bus maybe.
Katman
15th April 2011, 15:30
So tell oh wise one how did I not avoid the disqualified hit and run driver who came out of side road on SH 1 and hit me side on about level with my back wheel.?
You should be asking yourself that question.
oneofsix
15th April 2011, 15:33
So tell oh wise one how did I not avoid the disqualified hit and run driver who came out of side road on SH 1 and hit me side on about level with my back wheel.?
Stay at home or catch the bus maybe.
you should have seen the car in the side road and moved over - oh you already had, well you should have increased your speed slightly - oh you were blocked with traffic, sprout wings maybe? No hi-vis vest would have saved you :yes:
See how easy the message gets lost.
Bald Eagle you did the right thing, you survived to ride again and ride safe.
Bald Eagle
15th April 2011, 15:36
you should have seen the car in the side road and moved over - oh you already had, well you should have increased your speed slightly - oh you were blocked with traffic, sprout wings maybe? No hi-vis vest would have saved you :yes:
See how easy the message gets lost.
Bald Eagle you did the right thing, you survived to ride again and ride safe.
and just by the by I was wearing hi-viz. :facepalm:
MSTRS
15th April 2011, 15:41
and just by the by I was wearing hi-viz. :facepalm:
Stats will record rider was wearing Hi-Viz and survived.
ACC conclusion? Hi-viz = good.
Result? All bikers to wear Hi-viz.
avgas
15th April 2011, 15:43
So tell oh wise one how did I not avoid.........hit me side on about level with my back wheel.?
Ride a unicycle. There is only 1 wheel on those.
Bald Eagle
15th April 2011, 15:50
Ride a unicycle. There is only 1 wheel on those.
:scooter: :rofl:
Bald Eagle
15th April 2011, 15:54
Stats will record rider was wearing Hi-Viz and survived.
ACC conclusion? Hi-viz = good.
Result? All bikers to wear Hi-viz.
stats will record rider had voted labour and survived
ACC conclusion voting labour = Good
result - everybody has to vote labour.
gotta love their logic. :drinkup:
Oblivion
15th April 2011, 16:26
stats will record rider had voted labour and survived
ACC conclusion voting labour = Good
result - everybody has to vote labour.
gotta love their logic. :drinkup:
Remember, the best kind of logic is always flawed. Thats what makes it good logic. :yes:
ducatilover
15th April 2011, 16:27
So what does Katman suggest one should do when someone hits you in a manner as previously stated? I'm interested, because this just recently happened to a mate in his car and he didn't survive to tell me how it could be avoided, so please, enlighten me as I live just over a Km from the where the fatal incident was and wouldn't like it to happen on my way to uni :innocent:
Katman
15th April 2011, 16:31
and wouldn't like it to happen on my way to uni :innocent:
That's a good start.
brin_vg
15th April 2011, 16:36
So what does Katman suggest one should do when someone hits you in a manner as previously stated? I'm interested, because this just recently happened to a mate in his car and he didn't survive to tell me how it could be avoided, so please, enlighten me as I live just over a Km from the where the fatal incident was and wouldn't like it to happen on my way to uni :innocent:
It could quite clearly be avoided by paying higher ACC levies.
ducatilover
15th April 2011, 16:43
That's a good start.
Is it avoidable when someone is going to do 100km/h through a completely blind intersection, apart from slowing down to a snails pace to check the intersection for oncoming maniacs then getting rear ended by a car I didn't see with my blnd left eye?
ducatilover
15th April 2011, 16:46
It could quite clearly be avoided by paying higher ACC levies.
Yes. That is true, I never thought of that.
I wanted to do some rider training, buuuuuut, I instead put more registration on my bike, it was scary going to the shops knowing that I am 18 times more likely to die per Km than a car in Nick the Pricks perfect statistics.
Berries
15th April 2011, 17:14
Stats will record rider was wearing Hi-Viz and survived.
ACC conclusion? Hi-viz = good.
Result? All bikers to wear Hi-viz.
Slight correction. Stats won't record rider was wearing hi-viz.
MSTRS
15th April 2011, 17:50
Of course. I wasn't being serious, other than to show how the genus Bureaucratica's mind works...
ducatilover
15th April 2011, 18:05
'Tis almost as if we are the proletariat.
skinman
15th April 2011, 23:47
just out of interest I have been broadsided by a car also. I was about 18 & riding a pushbike, from those who saw it they estimate 3 rotations with a half twist before impact with the road, one of my better efforts.
That sort of crash is completely unavoidable, by the rider anyway.
pritch
16th April 2011, 18:15
I haven't read the whole thread, but what I have read induces feelings of sympathy for the poor folk at Auckland Transport. It must be very difficult creating promotional material and designing tests when you have zero knowledge of the topic in question. :whistle:
brin_vg
17th April 2011, 02:50
I haven't read the whole thread, but what I have read induces feelings of sympathy for the poor folk at Auckland Transport. It must be very difficult creating promotional material and designing tests when you have zero knowledge of the topic in question. :whistle: I might feel bad for them if they weren't being paid for their incompetence.
Berries
17th April 2011, 07:44
I actually think we should congratulate the bike rider for saving a much more serious crash.
In the first image, the bike is closer to the intersection than the car. For the two vehicles to meet at the intersection the car must therefore be travelling at a much greater speed than the bike. For the crash to happen the car driver must have completely missed the fact that there was an intersection ahead, which is explainable given some of the deficiencies with the signage and no doubt the speed limit as well. Being in Auckland the driver was probably an Asian if I may use a totally incorrect and outrageous stereotype.
Rider sees what is going to happen, increases his speed to try and hit the car and alter its path away from the guy with the cones and the bird in front of him. If he had been wearing hi-viz the car driver 'may' have seen him earlier, braked and swerved and then killed both the peds. Well done Mrs bike rider I say.
Unfortunately the rider was later prosecuted for failing to stop in the available distance, riding with registration on hold, no headlights on, not being ATGATT and being in charge of an offensive face.
superman
17th April 2011, 09:18
can't argue there except I think some moderation around reasonable actions. There are some that claim "there was nothing I could do" when in fact they were F'wits but when the rider has taken reasonable action or is just discussing contributing factors these discussions are also important. I feel it is also important we as a community look to minimizing these, after all it is the basis on which a lot of road works etc are done.
A car pulling an unsignalled u-turn in front of the bike doesn't leave the rider many options, as shown in Paraparaumu the other day the result is much the same when the following vehicle is a car except the turner is forced to stop.
Mount the seat with your feet and jump just before your bike collides with the car. This way you will only slide along the ground and hopefully not have a collision. Depending on size of said vehicle. :yes:
I swear there could be a situation where it might be useful to just jump if you had the second necessary to make the maneuver. Maybe...
scumdog
17th April 2011, 09:34
It's them yeller boomarang thingies that caused the problem...:wacko:
brin_vg
17th April 2011, 12:48
Mount the seat with your feet and jump just before your bike collides with the car. This way you will only slide along the ground and hopefully not have a collision. Depending on size of said vehicle. :yes:
I swear there could be a situation where it might be useful to just jump if you had the second necessary to make the maneuver. Maybe... Was thinking about this yesterday. In my experience going over the car, hitting the ground on an angle and sliding beats the hell out of going from x km/h to 0 km/h in zero seconds flat.
swbarnett
17th April 2011, 17:11
Mount the seat with your feet and jump just before your bike collides with the car. This way you will only slide along the ground and hopefully not have a collision. Depending on size of said vehicle. :yes:
I swear there could be a situation where it might be useful to just jump if you had the second necessary to make the maneuver. Maybe...
My wife did this without trying at about 50k and came away with nothing more than a cracked pelvis and a LOT of bruising. The bike went over too.
brin_vg
17th April 2011, 17:13
My wife did this without trying at about 50k and came away with nothing more than a cracked pelvis and a LOT of bruising. The bike went over too. I've done the same and would have walked away if not for hitting my handlebar as I went over. There's a lot to be said for the durability of a human body.
swbarnett
17th April 2011, 17:15
I've done the same and would have walked away if not for hitting my handlebar as I went over. There's a lot to be said for the durability of a human body.
Indeed. Also of the laptop in her bag that had a chunk taken out of one corner when the bike landed. It still worked perfectly.
flyingcrocodile46
18th April 2011, 01:23
Yeah. Spotted the bike but the training scenario only seems to give you either the option to do nothing at all or to pull out in front of the motorbike.
I got bored so killed him a few times. Was that the point?
MSTRS
20th April 2011, 15:36
I just rec'd the same insightful (sic) response from their tame currymuncher. Perhaps trained monkey would be more apt?
I felt that another observation from me was in order...
Response from the same trained monkey just recd...
Customer Reference No.: AT2011/016148
Subject: Motorcycle Safety Campaign
Thank you for your response. I would like to confirm we have received your email and referred the issue to the relevant department.
Kind Regards
Usarka
20th April 2011, 15:49
Pity I can't check my response at gofuckyourselfcunts@getfucked.com
Smifffy
21st April 2011, 18:45
Response from the same trained monkey just recd...
If one were interested, one might further inquire which department this has been referred to, and a contact for that department.
MSTRS
22nd April 2011, 09:59
If one were interested, one might further inquire which department this has been referred to, and a contact for that department.
Good call.
Request sent.
Hi
Which department might that be? And who is the contact there?
If Auckland Council is serious about motorcycle safety, they should be working with riders themselves. The rubbish 'safety video' that sparked this exchange does nothing towards this purpose, and in fact only reinforces the myth that only motorcyclists are responsible for all that befalls them.
Will report back...
Pixie
28th April 2011, 09:57
I'd be more worried about that weird hovering arrow in the middle of the road. That shit is whack.
It's not a weird arrow.It's a Vogon Interceptor
Pixie
28th April 2011, 10:00
Clearly the questions were written by some fucktard whom has no history riding bikes.
Everyone has bike stories like "the brakes were fucked so I took it easy home" or "the tyre blew out, and I just hung on"......
No bikers I have ever met have a story like
"The handbars lifted in the air, so I hugged the tank and managed to pull over"
its always
'Lying on my back on the bike seat, bars in my hand all I could think was "Well fuck me, now I'm fucked"...........just as the bike began to topple'
I'd be: "please Keith Code,be wrong about body steering"
stifmyster1
30th May 2011, 14:36
only just found this. sorry if its a resurect. but maybe we should film someone wearing highvis who crashed the same way then comes up with "hi vis only works when the driver actually looks."
NighthawkNZ
30th May 2011, 15:38
Can you spot the motorcycle?
http://www.aucklandmaps.co.nz
I got sent the link from ACC. It's the new "visibility campaign" by Auckland Transport.
you meaqn the on just coming in to frame on the left... saw it no problem... actually saw the bike before the give way sign...
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