Ripped off yet again. [Archive]

SMOKEU

13th April 2011, 17:28

Damantis

13th April 2011, 17:33

Use a proxy server next time you're "Sharing Files" then.

pzkpfw

13th April 2011, 19:18

How's that a rip off?

Usarka

13th April 2011, 19:21

Because they should be spending our tax money catching criminals.

Oh wait.

EJK

13th April 2011, 19:28

This is going to be another piracy/ intellectual property thread isn't it?

Beam me up scotty!

bogan

13th April 2011, 19:31

So there is a two year delay on the sanctions, and it is being rushed through while others are still focused on the quake. Seems like they are scared of another demonstration.

Usarka

13th April 2011, 19:45

This is going to be another piracy/ intellectual property thread isn't it?

Beam me up scotty!

Excuse me that should be Beam Me Up Scotty<sup>TM</sup>

mikeey01

13th April 2011, 20:31

Is the problem really that big?
I mean come on some isp might lose all their customers

Ricardo S

14th April 2011, 01:59

Use a proxy server next time you're "Sharing Files" then.

i can actually see new proxy servers popping up all over nz/au - really it is just bureaucracy, as soon as it is in place there will be ways and ways to go around it as always.

SMOKEU

14th April 2011, 07:51

How's that a rip off?

Because the government is trying to make me pay for things that I should get for free.
It's like making people pay to use public toilets or charging an entrance fee to every park.

willytheekid

14th April 2011, 08:35

Use a proxy server next time you're "Sharing Files" then.

+1 ...what he said!
-oh and heard of peerguardian2?...very handy wee program for P2P etc.
Plus there are plenty of ISP providers to shift to...your business is their $$ :yes:

mashman

14th April 2011, 08:44

Because the government is trying to make me pay for things that I should get for free.
It's like making people pay to use public toilets or charging an entrance fee to every park.

They didn't put their work in the public domain to be stolen. You're nothing more than a common thief.

SMOKEU

14th April 2011, 08:49

They didn't put their work in the public domain to be stolen. You're nothing more than a common thief.

File sharing is NOT theft because digital media is an infinite resource.

mashman

14th April 2011, 08:56

File sharing is NOT theft because digital media is an infinite resource.

:devil2: it is if the information being transferred has a copyright on it. (but i agree with you)

imdying

14th April 2011, 09:01

Meh, hard drives in the post again then. Even easier these days, they're SSDs and don't fuck out when the monkeys at NZ Post get them.

SMOKEU

14th April 2011, 09:16

Meh, hard drives in the post again then. Even easier these days, they're SSDs and don't fuck out when the monkeys at NZ Post get them.

If only SSDs weren't so overpriced...and unreliable since the change to 25nm nand.

imdying

14th April 2011, 11:11

Get a job then.

SMOKEU

14th April 2011, 18:31

Get a job then.

I'm not forking out around $300 just for an 80GB drive.

imdying

15th April 2011, 09:18

I'm not forking out around $300 just for an 80GB drive.Why? I've paid over a grand for less than a GB before.

Beren

15th April 2011, 12:49

Pfft what you really want is to get a botnet uploading and downloading lots of nice big innocous files through P2P systems so that any genuinely illicit traffic gets lost in the static.

Or you could try I don't know Buying your music?? I havn't pirated anything in years... and actaully found myself buying CDs for things I did once pirate. Guess I'm getting old!

imdying

15th April 2011, 15:40

They don't trawl the static, they have monitoring software on the public tracker sites and monitor that instead. So basically they're nailing you on finding out how to download illegal stuff, not the actual act of doing it. Everyone could just download the trackers willy nilly without touching the peers themselves, that'd mess with them a little.

Brian d marge

15th April 2011, 22:43

if Ive got this right

Regardless of copyrighted data ( how could they tell??? they just monitor bandwidth??)

you just need to be ACCUSED of sharing 3 times and you are blacklisted NO more Internet for you matey

Secondly , They ( according to another ) did it to get free trade with America, and they USED the EarthQUAKE to hide behind

THAT IN ITSELF WAS DISGUSTING

no debate , they rushed it through in the morning,

Now onto file sharing. your using the wrong business model, The whole Internet thing is ALL about data sharing.

Open source works well

Young people are USING file sharing to create themselves , unfortunately Sony are losing money ...my heart bleeds
IMHO

Stephen

The Stranger

15th April 2011, 23:37

File sharing is NOT theft because digital media is an infinite resource.

"We undertook research two-and-a-half-years ago with O'Reilly, and we've been studying Thomas Nelson as well, to measure the impact of piracy on paid content sales. We approached it as if it were cooperative marketing. We would look at the impact of what sales looked like before there was piracy, say for four to eight weeks, and then we'd look at the impact of piracy afterward. Essentially, if the net impact of piracy is negative, then you would see sales fall off more quickly after piracy; if it were positive, the opposite.

Data that we collected for the titles O'Reilly put out showed a net lift in sales for books that had been pirated. So, it actually spurred, not hurt, sales."

Oh, and I pirated that quote.

Was it easy to copy DOS or earlier versions of windoze or orifice?
How did this hurt Micro$oft?
As far as I can see M$ can attribute much of it's success to piracy.

SPman

15th April 2011, 23:52

Technically, if you watch youtube, you are breaking the law. As you actually download what you are watching and it is there in the temp. cache files, you've illegally downloaded content and come under the "3 strikes" law!
Off with your connection!

Fuckwitted ignorant politicians!

What's the best calibre for maximum pain and agony with longest dying time, Stephen?

Brian d marge

16th April 2011, 00:51

What's the best calibre for maximum pain and agony with longest dying time, Stephen?

The highest calibre you can use and inflict pain such that Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición would be proud, would of course be my wifes cooking

I would ram it down most if not all of those arseholes throats

Stephen

I think we just accuse all the politicians of copy right breach , that was a good Idea

Hackers are go .......

onearmedbandit

16th April 2011, 01:03

Was it easy to copy DOS or earlier versions of windoze or orifice?
How did this hurt Micro$oft?
As far as I can see M$ can attribute much of it's success to piracy.

I heard someone say once they spoke to a M$ employee (not sure who so don't ask) who claimed M$ would rather someone use an illegal copy of Windows then have them pay for another OS. Makes sense really.

jazfender

16th April 2011, 13:14

Buy external hard drive.

Take drive to friend(s) with media.

Copy media to drive.

SMOKEU

16th April 2011, 20:23

Buy external hard drive.

Take drive to friend(s) with media.

Copy media to drive.

It's a bit hard to do when your mates don't have all the torrents you want.

Brian d marge

16th April 2011, 21:44

write a letter using stone tablet , no more than 10 commandments
using yaks hooves, and Human blood , draw a picture of your hand

leave in cave for shepherds boy to find

Stephen

Usarka

16th April 2011, 21:51

The big issue isn't whether file sharing is legal or not, or whether copyright laws need overhauling.

It's that our government has passed yet another law that if accused you are guilty until proven innocent. And proving yourself innocent is a costly exercise.

jazfender

17th April 2011, 04:53

It's a bit hard to do when your mates don't have all the torrents you want.

True, not everyone's gonna have girl-on-ram animal porn but you could organise a biker data swap.

SMOKEU

17th April 2011, 12:06

True, not everyone's gonna have girl-on-ram animal porn but you could organise a biker data swap.

Is that your way of asking me on a "date"?

jazfender

17th April 2011, 17:22

Is that your way of asking me on a "date"?

:love: ...........

CookMySock

17th April 2011, 17:39

Just run your own torrent server in the US and download from it with http. Easy and fast. End of problem.

quazimoto

17th April 2011, 17:54

file share is allllllgooooooood

superman

17th April 2011, 18:19

Didn't realise so many people flouted copyright laws. :blink:

CookMySock

17th April 2011, 18:46

Didn't realise so many people flouted copyright laws. :blink:Haha get with the program! :innocent:

superman

17th April 2011, 23:10

Haha get with the program! :innocent:

Lol I used to when I listened to some shitty pop music. Movies were always too big to download for my slow country internet. And now if a movie is worth watching I'll pay for it, some things require the epicness of a cinema anyway and are just shitty played on tinny speakers with a shitty screen. :yes:

Especially music, 128kbps is just terrible, don't understand how people can stand it. Obviously their ears aren't that developed...

SPman

18th April 2011, 01:05

Especially music, 128kbps is just terrible, don't understand how people can stand it. Obviously their ears aren't that developed...
You listen to MP3's at 128 kbps?

Good grief..........

gammaguy

18th April 2011, 01:17

Look what our government is trying to do this time...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/4882838/Law-to-fight-internet-piracy-rushed-through

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2010/0119/latest/whole.html?search=ts_bill_Copyright+%28Infringing+ File+Sharing%29+Amendment+Bill_resel&p=1#tmpn1011a

the only people ripping anyone off are those who download for free and expect a lifetime of media for nothing

Make me understand why people should create,compose,produce and make when everyone else thinks it is OK to get it for free.Do the math

Brian d marge

18th April 2011, 01:45

the only people ripping anyone off are those who download for free and expect a lifetime of media for nothing

Make me understand why people should create,compose,produce and make when everyone else thinks it is OK to get it for free.Do the math

Linux .

Its a community thing, does this help?

Stephen

imdying

18th April 2011, 10:17

Didn't realise so many people flouted copyright laws. :blink:Well, that's the other thing in'it... even that stupid bitch MP tweeted about the compilation tape she was listening to....

<img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/lee-pirate.jpg" />

WELL SURPRISE BITCH, JUST LIKE ME LOADING MY COMPACT DISCS I FUCKING PAID FOR ONTO THE IPOD I FUCKING PAID FOR, YOU'RE BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW, THE SAME FUCKING LAWS YOU'RE MAKING WHILST STILL HAVING NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT. MELISSA LEE YOU'RE A FUCKING CRIMINAL BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, JUST HOW MUCH A FUCKING CLUELESS HYPOCRITIC IGNORANT BITCH ARE YOU??? ahem.

SMOKEU

18th April 2011, 18:55

the only people ripping anyone off are those who download for free and expect a lifetime of media for nothing

Make me understand why people should create,compose,produce and make when everyone else thinks it is OK to get it for free.Do the math

I've got enough shit to pay for as it is, the last thing I need is to pay for entertainment.

quazimoto

18th April 2011, 21:33

they will never stop file share, NEVER

The Stranger

20th April 2011, 18:49

the only people ripping anyone off are those who download for free and expect a lifetime of media for nothing

Make me understand why people should create,compose,produce and make when everyone else thinks it is OK to get it for free.Do the math

See post 23. The math don't look too bad really.
Have yet to see research that proves that piracy has a negative impact. Note I said research, not supposition.

SPman

21st April 2011, 15:58

Have yet to see research that proves that piracy has a negative impact.
The (small) amount of research out there I've seen, suggests the opposite.....

jazfender

21st April 2011, 19:57

There will eventually be tech that makes it easier to buy music than to pirate it.

It's already happening with iTunes.

SMOKEU

21st April 2011, 20:07

There will eventually be tech that makes it easier to buy music than to pirate it.

It's already happening with iTunes.

I call bullshit.

All you need is to put a CD into a CD player and connect a recorder to the line out/mic port. There is no way around that.

jazfender

21st April 2011, 20:21

All you need is to put a CD into a CD player and connect a recorder to the line out/mic port. There is no way around that.

Who the fuck still uses CDs?

Regardless, that's still more effort than about three taps of a button.

EJK

21st April 2011, 20:25

Who the fuck still uses CDs?

Regardless, that's still more effort than about three taps of a button.

+1 to that.

Also I don't have to risk for any spyware, virus, trojan horse etc. Not mentioning crap advertisements embedded to the files.

SMOKEU

21st April 2011, 21:29

Who the fuck still uses CDs?

Regardless, that's still more effort than about three taps of a button.

There seem to be plenty of shops around still selling music CDs. Even if someone were to legally download music, it can still be pirated very easily.

jazfender

21st April 2011, 22:14

There seem to be plenty of shops around still selling music CDs. Even if someone were to legally download music, it can still be pirated very easily.

Plenty of computer shops selling floppy disks too bro.

Barring moral subjectivity, people will take the path of least resistance. If it's easier and quicker to pay for something and the price is right, there's not much more incentive to illegally get it.

Yeah it's still relatively easy to pirate at the moment but as the gap closes, you'll see more and more people not bothering.

This and also the fact that the law is only really starting to catch up with the internet now.

I know all this is powerfully undude but shit's happenin.

Brian d marge

21st April 2011, 22:40

Americans have bullied you sheep into thinking that file sharing is bad .

baaaa

cry me a river Fkers ...

Stephen

WSB , watching now great race ...downloaded via a file sharing site

3 accusations and no moto bike racing for u :corn:

SMOKEU

21st April 2011, 23:09

Plenty of computer shops selling floppy disks too bro.

Barring moral subjectivity, people will take the path of least resistance. If it's easier and quicker to pay for something and the price is right, there's not much more incentive to illegally get it.

Yeah it's still relatively easy to pirate at the moment but as the gap closes, you'll see more and more people not bothering.

This and also the fact that the law is only really starting to catch up with the internet now.

I know all this is powerfully undude but shit's happenin.

OK, so I earn $12.50 an hour. An average music CD costs around $30. It will take about 2.5 hours of work to purchase a CD. It takes a lot less time to pirate an album.

It takes about 2 minutes of work to pirate a whole album. I can leave Bittorrent running in the background while it downloads, so that doesn't count as work.

PS: Who the phuck still uses floppy disks? My motherboard doesn't even have a floppy drive connector.

jazfender

21st April 2011, 23:41

OK, so I earn $12.50 an hour. An average music CD costs around $30. It will take about 2.5 hours of work to purchase a CD. It takes a lot less time to pirate an album.

I said, if the price is right. To start, $30 is way too much for a CD.

Besides, I'm considering all else being equal - that is that you earn money regardless of whether you are pirating or not.

The reason is so that you can compare the actual act of getting the music. And this is about normal non-geeks, non-criminals, ie the majority.

It is far easier to tap a few buttons and be listening to an album from iTunes than it is to download a torrent client, search for a torrent, wait for the trackers to load, wait for the speed to pick up, finish the download, find the file, load it into your music library, press play.

And that's today, I'm talking about tomorrow.

Brian d marge

22nd April 2011, 03:03

Itunes sux big sweaty balls

Stephen

( linux )

jazfender

22nd April 2011, 03:43

Itunes sux big sweaty balls

yup. I agree

scracha

22nd April 2011, 07:11

It is far easier to tap a few buttons and be listening to an album from iTunes than it is to download a torrent client, search for a torrent, wait for the trackers to load, wait for the speed to pick up, finish the download, find the file, load it into your music library, press play.

And that's today, I'm talking about tomorrow.

1) Have you actually used Vuze? It pretty much does all of the above and a chimp could use it.
2) Plenty of my "average joe" customers can figure out browser extensions like Flash Video Download.
3) Plenty "average joe" customers can borrow their mates/libraries CD's, stick em in the PC and rip them.
4) Plenty of my "average joe" customers copy their purchased iTunes music onto their mates devices without even realising it's naughty

normal non-geeks, non-criminals, ie the majority.

Put a "download/rip" for free button on software or have the ATM accidentally spit out an extra $100 note. If there's next to no risk of legal consequences then you'll find the majority of people are criminals.

ps. Dunno what computer shops you guys use but I haven't sold a floppy disk for 5 years. Had to import a USB floppy drive recently.

jazfender

22nd April 2011, 09:27

1) Have you actually used Vuze? It pretty much does all of the above and a chimp could use it.
2) Plenty of my "average joe" customers can figure out browser extensions like Flash Video Download.
3) Plenty "average joe" customers can borrow their mates/libraries CD's, stick em in the PC and rip them.
4) Plenty of my "average joe" customers copy their purchased iTunes music onto their mates devices without even realising it's naughty

:whocares:

ps. Dunno what computer shops you guys use but I haven't sold a floppy disk for 5 years. Had to import a USB floppy drive recently.

It was just an example of a thing nobody uses but is still sold.

motor_mayhem

26th April 2011, 22:26

Brian d marge

26th April 2011, 22:51

Just some food for thought, Does anyone know how large the quantity is of material downloaded was/is available free somewhere at some stage? i.e. downloading a tv episode that was on free to air tv in another country because the tv stations of the given country are crap. Also noting that older generations will smash down the current generation for downloading without giving thought to the realisation that it is essentially the same as recording a show on VCR to watch it at a different time other than what it is shown at.
Also if a service such as hulu, which seems to deliver content on time and gives the user the option to watch it whenever they like, was available how much piracy do you there would be here?

yes I was wondering that, I regulary send large file , and I assume places like Weta ( to use an example send HUUUUGE files )
So how would they know who is downloading what ???

here in Japan they have a fair usage policy , if you exceed the bandwith u get the letter , my friend got one , but then he downloads 2 or 3 movies ( or more ) a night

Swapped isp and all was well with the universe

Stephen