Prolite 250 Ninja

[Matchless-G80]

Hi there, we are currently preparing our 250r Ninja for the new prolite series, winter series summer series and maybe nationals. We are trying to get hold of Seth Deveraux, the Prolite 250 champ and have a discussion about the bike etc.. can anyone help??

Cheers

[prettybillie]

Hey buddy - Graham Billington (Billy on here) knows his details I think :yes:

[The Chow]

Hi there, we are currently preparing our 250r Ninja for the new prolite series, winter series summer series and maybe nationals. We are trying to get hold of Seth Deveraux, the Prolite 250 champ and have a discussion about the bike etc.. can anyone help??

Cheers

Contact Kawasaki NZ they should have his contacts I think he is now working in Canterbury somewhere

[The Chow]

Hey buddy - Graham Billington (Billy on here) knows his details I think :yes:

here you go

sethdevereux@hotmail.co.nz

[CHOPPA]

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1095123468

[budda]

Hi there, we are currently preparing our 250r Ninja for the new prolite series, winter series summer series and maybe nationals. We are trying to get hold of Seth Deveraux, the Prolite 250 champ and have a discussion about the bike etc.. can anyone help??

Cheers

working at a CanAm dealer in Rangiora I believe ....... his advice will be strap on some sticky rubber and ride the thing !!!!!!!!!! His is so standard it hurts !!!!!!!!!

[SWERVE]

Yep he does work at Can-Am dealer in Rangiora............. soooo true about his riding philosophy Budda:scooter: One set of tyre for 5 nat rounds...rain or shine......... 13 wins from 14 starts........ at least 3 lap records.
A geniune talent......and entertaining too:facepalm:

[Racey Rider]

1:27's round Manfield.


Time for the rest of us to Start learning How to Ride! :facepalm:

[CookMySock]

Reminder not to post peoples personal details on the open and public internet.

[Str8 Jacket]

Reminder not to post peoples personal details on the open and public internet.

Too late, we already know you like icecream.

[The Chow]

Yep he does work at Can-Am dealer in Rangiora............. soooo true about his riding philosophy Budda:scooter: One set of tyre for 5 nat rounds...rain or shine......... 13 wins from 14 starts........ at least 3 lap records.
A geniune talent......and entertaining too:facepalm:

Mate , if I was younger and thinner I would join you guys in this class. Mate hope more buy in to the Prolite 250

[SWERVE]

1:27's round Manfield.


Time for the rest of us to Start learning How to Ride! :facepalm:

Ands that on at least 10/12 race old rubber........... imagine if someone bought him a new set ...even every two rounds:yes:
He aint afraid to push it to the falling off stage either:blink:
Talking to him at the weekend and he really wants to give the 125gp class a crack. Gonna put him on our protwin later in the year to see how he goes too.:facepalm:

[puddytat]

Yeah Swerve he can certainly ride that ninja,& a 1:41 on someone elses 1098 wasnt to slow either...:yes:
He did mention tnat he was looking to sell his ninja to move on up too...

[budda]

[QUOTE=SWERVE;1130036930]Ands that on at least 10/12 race old rubber........... imagine if someone bought him a new set QUOTE]

Thats one of the real beauties of the Class Merv - simply dont NEED new rubber all the time ....... Jared Pykes Min Jar did 15 DAYS racing before any discernable dropping off performance-wise, and another 2 DAYS before he changed to new uns

Not naming names, but they were the same brand, strangely enough. Same brand that Billies Hire Sungs ran this Champs too ...........

[SWERVE]

I know which brand they are Budda:shutup:......... same as many 150,s run too now (is there a tyre/size for the 250,s available from other suppliers)
And yes it is fantastic that you can be a champion/record holder on one set of tyres . My point was that Seth had set a new record at manfield on very secondhand tyres ..... imagine what his times might have been with the confidence of fresh rubber........ but saying that he will probebly do the sth is winter series on the exact same set:blink: and win:scooter:
Pity the bikes arent more affordable for a 13/16 yr old........... but im sure as more road riders crash them the prices will fall. I refer to kawa ninjas......... as lets face it the "ho-bags are cheap but no match for the ninja on a track (sorry Billy)

With these bikes getting there own WSBK support class this year and 2 of our youngsters competing its a shame that we cant jump on the bandwagon and find a way with the importer or other funding to make a grid of these bikes (that kids/parents) can afford to fially showcase nz,s incredible junior talant .:sunny:

I know .......... we already tried......... dont want to start another junior debate.
But it is a shame:angry:

[scott411]

run out new 2010 Ninja 250R are $8295 RRP, and the new injected 2011 Ninja 250R is $8995

good second hand 08's can be had for around $5000-5500 on trademe, and there are a few coming up though the damaged bikes auctions as well even cheaper,

now these do not take much converting to a race bike as mentioned above,

now these prices are cheaper than a new 125 MX bike, and much cheaper than a 250F's, these are what most 14-16 years olds would be racing if they were on MX tracks, if what is said about tyre wear above is right then the running costs would not be to much different either,

also i think if you keep the road gear they will hold their value much better than a MX bike as well,

how much cheaper do they need to be??? i know they are not around bucket pricing, but i think if the lid is kept on the class it will continue to grow, i can see 20-30 bikes on the line in the next couple of years, I know of another kid around our area is looking at this class, and we will try to help him out with it as well.

[The Chow]

run out new 2010 Ninja 250R are $8295 RRP, and the new injected 2011 Ninja 250R is $8995

good second hand 08's can be had for around $5000-5500 on trademe, and there are a few coming up though the damaged bikes auctions as well even cheaper,

now these do not take much converting to a race bike as mentioned above,

now these prices are cheaper than a new 125 MX bike, and much cheaper than a 250F's, these are what most 14-16 years olds would be racing if they were on MX tracks, if what is said about tyre wear above is right then the running costs would not be to much different either,

also i think if you keep the road gear they will hold their value much better than a MX bike as well,

how much cheaper do they need to be??? i know they are not around bucket pricing, but i think if the lid is kept on the class it will continue to grow, i can see 20-30 bikes on the line in the next couple of years, I know of another kid around our area is looking at this class, and we will try to help him out with it as well.

Mate exactly , 250 Proddie welcome back. Man don't forget not only the Championship winning Kawasaki , but also the Hyosung and maybe even the New Honda CBR250 will be eligible next season(needs a rule change , and my understanding this could be coming). Man they so cheap New let alone second hand ones and the racing should be fantastic like the old days. Cheap to crash and cheap on Rubber.

[SWERVE]

Agree Scott it is a cheap class........ but streetstock is cheaper/faster and has been for a number of years now.
One of the reasons that Streetstock was not given the status/class it deserved (correct me if im wrong) was that due to the age of the machines and the fact that they weren,t industry relevent it wasn,t in the interest of the importers/bike dealers to become involved.:blink:
However Kawasaki ninja 250 - Hoysung 250 - and poss Honda next year have VERY relevent machinary (ninja one of worlds current best sellers i think)
So add a lot of very talented young riders...... lots of meetings throughout the country....... you have an industry relevent race series.:woohoo:

Not saying they should give the bikes away....... but join forces with tyre supplier / racewear distributor / frieghting company etc to create a good ol fashion 250 proddie series for young and old (but with an emphasis on young talent)
Grids soooooo big ya have to qualify:sunny:........ oh sorry just woke up:innocent:

[Billy]

Yep he does work at Can-Am dealer in Rangiora............. soooo true about his riding philosophy Budda:scooter: One set of tyre for 5 nat rounds...rain or shine......... 13 wins from 14 starts........ at least 3 lap records.
A geniune talent......and entertaining too:facepalm:

Yip,Couldnt agree more Merv,The kids a real talent with a big future and the right attitude,Pushed him for a couple of laps at HD round of the Nationals and boy did he respond,He had that thing tied up in knots,A real pleasure too watch and so humble with it,Spoke too him yesterday and he was of the opinion hed only won cause his bike was the fastest,Bwahahahahaha! I passed him on the start/finish straight on an RG125,Definitely wasnt straightline speed that won him that championship,Pyre talent and commitment

[Billy]

I know which brand they are Budda:shutup:......... same as many 150,s run too now (is there a tyre/size for the 250,s available from other suppliers)
And yes it is fantastic that you can be a champion/record holder on one set of tyres . My point was that Seth had set a new record at manfield on very secondhand tyres ..... imagine what his times might have been with the confidence of fresh rubber........ but saying that he will probebly do the sth is winter series on the exact same set:blink: and win:scooter:
Pity the bikes arent more affordable for a 13/16 yr old........... but im sure as more road riders crash them the prices will fall. I refer to kawa ninjas......... as lets face it the "ho-bags are cheap but no match for the ninja on a track (sorry Billy)

With these bikes getting there own WSBK support class this year and 2 of our youngsters competing its a shame that we cant jump on the bandwagon and find a way with the importer or other funding to make a grid of these bikes (that kids/parents) can afford to fially showcase nz,s incredible junior talant .:sunny:

I know .......... we already tried......... dont want to start another junior debate.
But it is a shame:angry:

No need to apologise too me mate,I dont make the things,All we're doing is providing an affordable hassle free avenue for those wanting to give this exciting new class a try without risking their day to day transport.

Having said that I'm sure Seth would have won that championship on a Hyosung,Theres nothing in it performance wise,All our riders were relative newbies and clearly lacked Seths talent and Im sure that was evident in his placings overall in the combined class where he managed to see off all but a small amount of the 150 feilds as well

[budda]

I know which brand they are Budda:shutup:......... same as many 150,s run too now (is there a tyre/size for the 250,s available from other suppliers)
And yes it is fantastic that you can be a champion/record holder on one set of tyres . My point was that Seth had set a new record at manfield on very secondhand tyres ..... imagine what his times might have been with the confidence of fresh rubber........ but saying that he will probebly do the sth is winter series on the exact same set:blink: and win:scooter:
Pity the bikes arent more affordable for a 13/16 yr old........... but im sure as more road riders crash them the prices will fall. I refer to kawa ninjas......... as lets face it the "ho-bags are cheap but no match for the ninja on a track (sorry Billy)

With these bikes getting there own WSBK support class this year and 2 of our youngsters competing its a shame that we cant jump on the bandwagon and find a way with the importer or other funding to make a grid of these bikes (that kids/parents) can afford to fially showcase nz,s incredible junior talant .:sunny:

I know .......... we already tried......... dont want to start another junior debate.
But it is a shame:angry:

Merv - there are numerous options available for the wheel sizes on eligible bikes, thats why the rules are worded the way they are mate ! My point is that there is considerable bovine excrement being bandied about about costs, tyres especially. Tyres SHOULD be replaced when neccessary, which is when they are past it - there is far too much emphasis on "new tyres = performance", and Seth and Jared have both proved the point beautifully

Put decent tyres on, get the pressures right, look after them and they LAST.

And as for the pricing of the bikes - how many kids started off on brand-new 150's ?

For those that can afford it, a new bike is a fantastic way to go - for those on a more restricted budget, there ARE other ways of skinning a cat. Look forward to meeting you at Methven and discussing a few things with you .........................

[CHOPPA]

The production 250 racing of old was completely different cause the bikes were replicas of race bikes not commuter bikes.

Its a good class and I would like to be able to help put a young rider on one in the near future. There is no alternative out there thats new and cheap so its perfect choice for a start off class but we aint gonna get any riders from MX that have real talent to start on them

[budda]

The production 250 racing of old was completely different cause the bikes were replicas of race bikes not commuter bikes.

Its a good class and I would like to be able to help put a young rider on one in the near future. There is no alternative out there thats new and cheap so its perfect choice for a start off class but we aint gonna get any riders from MX that have real talent to start on them

Forgot how young you are mate - the old 250 proddy bikes WERE Commuter bikes, albeit dressed up as RepliRacers. Funnily enough, the lap times and speeds are pretty comparable to the RG's, TZR's etc, and to mid pack RGV's .

Already HAD Jumping Bike pilots hop on 'em and go good - Seth is a pretty handy Dirty Boy, Jared was a damn fast MXer, Johnny Small was known to be a bit dirty too ...... the physical skills and the mindset are pretty much the same, its how thay are applied that makes the difference, no matter what you're riding

As I've told all the youngsters I've "guided", its only the bit above the eyebrows that actually races, the meaty stuff is just there to apply the plan .............

[Billy]

Forgot how young you are mate - the old 250 proddy bikes WERE Commuter bikes, albeit dressed up as RepliRacers. Funnily enough, the lap times and speeds are pretty comparable to the RG's, TZR's etc, and to mid pack RGV's .

Already HAD Jumping Bike pilots hop on 'em and go good - Seth is a pretty handy Dirty Boy, Jared was a damn fast MXer, Johnny Small was known to be a bit dirty too ...... the physical skills and the mindset are pretty much the same, its how thay are applied that makes the difference, no matter what you're riding

As I've told all the youngsters I've "guided", its only the bit above the eyebrows that actually races, the meaty stuff is just there to apply the plan .............

Jeez young fella,

Forgot how young YOU are!!I raced in the first 250 proddy race back in 79 on an X7,Im positive the laptimes were considerably slower than Jared and Seth have been around there,Bearing in mind the 410 production lap record that year was held by a slightly younger Bob Twoomey at a blistering 1.26 and the outright lap record set by Dave Hiscock at the Shell two wheeler that same year on a GS1000HN was only a mid 1.19,Id be confident we were in the mid 1.30s although I dont remember anybody mentioning a specific laptime for that class in that year.In comparison Seth clocked a mid 1.27 at the National round this year and both he and Jared were in the low 1.27s last year but it didnt count as it wasnt a championship class.

[budda]

Jeez young fella,

Forgot how young YOU are!!I raced in the first 250 proddy race back in 79 on an X7,Im positive the laptimes were considerably slower than Jared and Seth have been around there,Bearing in mind the 410 production lap record that year was held by a slightly younger Bob Twoomey at a blistering 1.26 and the outright lap record set by Dave Hiscock at the Shell two wheeler that same year on a GS1000HN was only a mid 1.19,Id be confident we were in the mid 1.30s although I dont remember anybody mentioning a specific laptime for that class in that year.In comparison Seth clocked a mid 1.27 at the National round this year and both he and Jared were in the low 1.27s last year but it didnt count as it wasnt a championship class.

Yeah, fair enough call Methusela ...... actually broke my own rule, and mentioned bloody laptimes ........ if more young fellas FORGOT about laptimes, and just rode to beat the man in front, we'd have some more good RACERS.

Convince me I'm wrong ( it'll take some doing ) but thats what the leading young guys have in common ( other than roots in good ol' STREETSTOCKS ) , the application to just plain going faster than the next guy. Its not about your laptimes, its about who you BEAT - or am I just plain old-fashioned ?

You are correct, my OWN laptimes were usually taken with a sundial, but thats the great thing about racing in the dark - no-one knew how slow I was ...................

[puddytat]

........ if more young fellas FORGOT about laptimes, and just rode to beat the man in front, we'd have some more good RACERS.

Convince me I'm wrong ( it'll take some doing ) but thats what the leading young guys have in common ( other than roots in good ol' STREETSTOCKS ) , the application to just plain going faster than the next guy. Its not about your laptimes, its about who you BEAT - or am I just plain old-fashioned ?

....
Some wise words that are also very appropriate for us old fellas too:yes:

[Billy]

Yeah, fair enough call Methusela ...... actually broke my own rule, and mentioned bloody laptimes ........ if more young fellas FORGOT about laptimes, and just rode to beat the man in front, we'd have some more good RACERS.

Convince me I'm wrong ( it'll take some doing ) but thats what the leading young guys have in common ( other than roots in good ol' STREETSTOCKS ) , the application to just plain going faster than the next guy. Its not about your laptimes, its about who you BEAT - or am I just plain old-fashioned ?

No argument here on that count,I mentioned somewhere how much fun I had at Ruapuna this year on the old 150 superbike,There were battles going on all through the feild and then we come back to the North Island and its back too the same old story,Just Mat Hoogie,Seth and La Salle Carr who has also done a series in the South Island and then me and every body else was miles back,On the (very)odd occasion to get close enough to Seth or Mat too cause them concern they just rode harder.
You are correct, my OWN laptimes were usually taken with a sundial, but thats the great thing about racing in the dark - no-one knew how slow I was ...................

Yeah they did,When they lapped you LOL

[budda]

Yeah they did,When they lapped you LOL

Be careful what you wish for, you old bastard - only another 3 of you to lose, and my leathers will zip up again - watch out mate !!!!!!!!!!!

[Billy]

Be careful what you wish for, you old bastard - only another 3 of you to lose, and my leathers will zip up again - watch out mate !!!!!!!!!!!

Any more threats from you and I'll drive all the way to Invervegas and smash your fist in with my face !!!!

[CHOPPA]

Forgot how young you are mate - the old 250 proddy bikes WERE Commuter bikes, albeit dressed up as RepliRacers. Funnily enough, the lap times and speeds are pretty comparable to the RG's, TZR's etc, and to mid pack RGV's .............

hahaha your dreaming!!! I just watched a 250 proddy race from back in the day and if you think 10 secs is comparable you must be on drugs Id like to see someone do that on a hyosung 250

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRz6HnKWnDA&feature=player_embedded

[Billy]

hahaha your dreaming!!! I just watched a 250 proddy race from back in the day and if you think 10 secs is comparable you must be on drugs Id like to see someone do that on a hyosung 250

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRz6HnKWnDA&feature=player_embedded

On drugs? The lap record for 250 production in 1985 was 1.25... held by either Robert Holden from memory,On an RG250,The race you watched was 1990 World Superbikes wasnt it,In 1986 when the first generation TZRs came out there were numerous riders lapping in the mid too late 1.20s and in fact the tailenders (Paul Buick,Stephen Thompson and co) that were lapped by Dave and Slippery in that race were lapping in the high 1.27s even then,250 production has been running in this country since 1979 and believe me the laptimes were much slower back then than the current bikes,In fact the outright lap record at Manfeild in that year was only a mid 1.19 set by Dave Hiscock at the Shell two wheeler on a GS 1000 en.

[The Chow]

On drugs? The lap record for 250 production in 1985 was 1.25... held by either Robert Holden from memory,On an RG250,The race you watched was 1990 World Superbikes wasnt it,In 1986 when the first generation TZRs came out there were numerous riders lapping in the mid too late 1.20s and in fact the tailenders (Paul Buick,Stephen Thompson and co) that were lapped by Dave and Slippery in that race were lapping in the high 1.27s even then,250 production has been running in this country since 1979 and believe me the laptimes were much slower back then than the current bikes,In fact the outright lap record at Manfeild in that year was only a mid 1.19 set by Dave Hiscock at the Shell two wheeler on a GS 1000 en.

Good lap time in 1981 on the first LC250's was 1.27-1.28 , the year before 1.30's. The first five LC's which I was lucky enough have one were the beginning of the new race bred marketed machines. The next year when everyone had LC's the times were 1.26-1.27. These were the early days , the later years with the race replica 250's times were much faster. But you have to compare the 4 strokes with the early 250's not the ones in the Video mate. ;-)

[CHOPPA]

Doesnt matter how you wanna twist it, the proddy 250s I just watched were running around 1.16-1.18 mark that is 10 secs faster and that what I was talking about the difference between a race replica and a commuter.

My original point is that few top MX riders would bother racing a prolite bike cause they are slow and there kxf250 would feel 10x faster. I would enjoy racing them now because I have a better understanding of road racing.

[CHOPPA]

On drugs? The lap record for 250 production in 1985 was 1.25... held by either Robert Holden from memory,On an RG250,The race you watched was 1990 World Superbikes wasnt it,In 1986 when the first generation TZRs came out there were numerous riders lapping in the mid too late 1.20s and in fact the tailenders (Paul Buick,Stephen Thompson and co) that were lapped by Dave and Slippery in that race were lapping in the high 1.27s even then,250 production has been running in this country since 1979 and believe me the laptimes were much slower back then than the current bikes,In fact the outright lap record at Manfeild in that year was only a mid 1.19 set by Dave Hiscock at the Shell two wheeler on a GS 1000 en.

Apologies Billy it was actually Budda that was saying the proddys back in the day were running the same lap times as the pro light

[Billy]

Good lap time in 1981 on the first LC250's was 1.27-1.28 , the year before 1.30's. The first five LC's which I was lucky enough have one were the beginning of the new race bred marketed machines. The next year when everyone had LC's the times were 1.26-1.27. These were the early days , the later years with the race replica 250's times were much faster. But you have to compare the 4 strokes with the early 250's not the ones in the Video mate. ;-)

So your saying my X7 wasnt one of the racebred machines then LOL,

Yes that was the point I was making,Budda suggested the laptimes were similar to the earlier 250 proddy bikes,Not the ones shown in that vid

[SWERVE]

Regardless of lap times (faster or not) the simple fact is....... if there is a large field of these 20+ with a mix of old (think they,re fast) talant and young (they are fast) talent......... battling it out for the entire race and only covered by a couple of seconds it would be awesome to watch and compete in.... whatever your previous experience.
Just read Daniel M,s latest report to get an idea.
If people really get behind this it could be a huge success.....it could.
Just watched young Alex Bowers on his new Ninja 250 at Levels on sat. He has been riding a rg150 for a few years now........... you should see the grin when he gets of the ninja.:sunny:

[budda]

Regardless of lap times (faster or not) the simple fact is....... if there is a large field of these 20+ with a mix of old (think they,re fast) talant and young (they are fast) talent......... battling it out for the entire race and only covered by a couple of seconds it would be awesome to watch and compete in.... whatever your previous experience.
Just read Daniel M,s latest report to get an idea.
If people really get behind this it could be a huge success.....it could.
Just watched young Alex Bowers on his new Ninja 250 at Levels on sat. He has been riding a rg150 for a few years now........... you should see the grin when he gets of the ninja.:sunny:

and THAT, good Sir, is the point EXACTLY .... the grin factor is missing in some of the other classes, but these young 'uns have it right - ENJOY YOURSELF !!!!!!!!