They are at it again - slick Smith's mates

[Brian d marge]

Honestly , these people ..... Just shoot the focker , At least with Rangi from Mangari is up front ,

These evil baskets ...are underhanded

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2010/0119/latest/whole.html?search=ts_bill_Copyright+%28Infringing+ File+Sharing%29+Amendment+Bill_resel&p=1#tmpn1011a

Get rid of the fckers honestly , knee cap em

DO Something for gawds sake

Stephen

[mashman]

another one for the lawyers. At least they'll be using the public defenders office to good effect :blink:

[yachtie10]

While i have issues with it
i dont see it being a bash national issue
The only mps that opposed it were the greens

and as Hone Harawira is aligned with them more than any other party who would you vote for?
"Former Maori Party MP Hone Harawira says he has come up with an agreement with the Green Party to cast his vote in the house in his absence."

[scott411]

what is the big problem with this Bill? i do not really see the big issue, "sharing files" is a big problem, esp amoung small film companies

(i had a good conversation about this to a guy that makes MX films, basically the DVD market has shrunk and it is not worth making them anymore since everybody shares them, and does not pay)

not saying this bill is good, just want to know what the big problem is, if someone is sharing music or film files to the world, is he any better than the guy dubbing dvd's and selling them at the flea market

[imdying]

what is the big problem with this Bill?It ignores the will of the people. The bill itself is neither here nor there, it will change nothing, hdds will move about, public P2P will encrypt, and it'll be ineffectual. It's that they've tried to get it through in the open, and were shouted down by the people, and so they've used surreptitious methods to push it through with urgency via the power given to them by the earthquake law changes.

That content creators have created a virtual world of shite for themselves by overcharging in the first place, that's another matter all together.

[Brian d marge]

It ignores the will of the people. The bill itself is neither here nor there, it will change nothing, hdds will move about, public P2P will encrypt, and it'll be ineffectual. It's that they've tried to get it through in the open, and were shouted down by the people, and so they've used surreptitious methods to push it through with urgency via the power given to them by the earthquake law changes.

That content creators have created a virtual world of shite for themselves by overcharging in the first place, that's another matter all together.
Couldn't have said it better .

As for the file sharing... I know if you are in the DVD business and people share files it will impact your business
I started fixing bike back when they weren't so reliable , then one year , that all went out the window
Itunes anyone???

Business pressured JK mob , JKs mob failed the first time , now under the cover of the earthquake ( I find that reprehensible ) they try again

Stephen

Any foker that controls inflation by using unemployment, I will quite happly shoot. these evil bastards did and still do

[imdying]

John Key is your man... he said to Warner Brothers that he'd ensure this bill passed if they brought their Hobbit movie here. Well, I say fuck John Key, fuck Warner Brothers and fuck Peter Jackson.

[Str8 Jacket]

TBH, I think that the main concern (of NZ public) is the way in which numerous bills have been passed by 'urgency' under this government. At the end of the day it has always been illegal but I do wonder why this was so "urgent".....

[bogan]

John Key is your man... he said to Warner Brothers that he'd ensure this bill passed if they brought their Hobbit movie here. Well, I say fuck John Key, fuck Warner Brothers and fuck Peter Jackson.

Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, good luck finding evidence to pin the slimy bastard to the wall with though.

[admenk]

John Well, I say fuck John Key, fuck Warner Brothers and fuck Peter Jackson.

I think I'll have to decline your kind offer :innocent:....I do know where they've been !:shit:

[imdying]

Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, good luck finding evidence to pin the slimy bastard to the wall with though.Never happen, but he's the sort of slippery prick (i.e. a politician) who'd do a deal like that. He's not the worst PM we've had, but he'd be a lot better if he grew a back bone.

[Brian d marge]

It gone through this morning ,
Well done NZ ,

I mean dont get me wrong there are people out there who abuse the system and down load ,,,a lot ..and I mean a lot ( Im about 2 or three gig a night I suppose )

Im disgusted , so much so ,,,Ive dropped me digestive into me tea now how am I going to fish this out ,,,,

Stephen

[george formby]

TBH, I think that the main concern (of NZ public) is the way in which numerous bills have been passed by 'urgency' under this government. At the end of the day it has always been illegal but I do wonder why this was so "urgent".....

Yup, back door politics. D.o.C, the gummint, etc put a lot of potential legislation, access debates, taxpayer funding issues etc out into the public domain just before Christmas when everybody is heading to the beach. You finish your holiday, get back to work & raft of changes are being implemented which you can do nothing about. The public's right of reply expired about the same time as the last ham sandwich was being eaten.

Sneaky shit like this makes me wonder why we have an electoral system at all. You can only vote for self serving do gooders or money grabbers anyway.

As my IT mate said this morning, this attitude to politics leads to a Police State by any other name. Harsh, but I see his point. He also pondered which politicians had shares in media interests such as Sky Tv.. Be nice to have that kind of disclosure to inform what we consider to be fair or unfair legislation.

Oil? Did somebody mention oil exploration?:shutup:

Representatives of the people my arse.

[Brian d marge]

FK me they are STILL at it ... I swear Im going to shoot


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/4887566/Govt-keeps-earthquake-law-changes-secret


Stephen

[scott411]

John Key is your man... he said to Warner Brothers that he'd ensure this bill passed if they brought their Hobbit movie here. Well, I say fuck John Key, fuck Warner Brothers and fuck Peter Jackson.

mm, Mr Goff supported it as well, so its hardly a National only thing,

[imdying]

I don't differentiate on party lines, filth is still filth no matter which flag it flies.

[mashman]

FK me they are STILL at it ... I swear Im going to shoot


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/4887566/Govt-keeps-earthquake-law-changes-secret


Stephen

"The original version of the Canterbury Earthquake Recovery included specific powers for the new Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Authority (Cera) to get information from any source, to requisition and build on land and to carry out demolitions. "

I'm speechless.

[Buyasta]

For those of you asking what the big deal is, the problem isn't that they're trying to prevent copyright infringement, it's their methods - under a three strikes law, your ISP is required to cut off your internet service (something that is increasingly being considered a basic human right these days) if you're accused three times of infringement.
They don't actually have to prove you are guilty, just make the accusation 3 times, and there goes your internet, removing any semblance of due process or the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.


According to intellectual property lawyer Rick Shera, the clause created a presumption in favour of copyright owners and the changes being considered remove the reference to the presumption of guilt being “conclusive”.

“I do act for a number of copyright owners, I can’t see why there is a need for a presumption, I mean if copyright owners are sure of their evidence then they would simply submit that evidence to the copyright tribunal,” Shera told (http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/internet-file-sharing-bill-under-urgency-ck-90750) NBR. “The tribunal is perfectly capable of weighing up whose evidence is better, that’s what tribunals do all the time.”


And that's leaving out the whole issue of the way they've snuck the legislation through while everyone is distracted by the situation down here, and abusing the speedy response legislation intended for the earthquake relief.

[Buyasta]

Oh, also as far as reasons go, its got little to do with the Hobbit and everything to do with US bribery/blackmail (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/03/the_trans_pacific_strategic_economic_partnership_a greement.html).

Essentially we get a free trade agreement with the US, which will add billions in export revenue, but in exchange we have to enact draconian copyright laws in line with US laws, including the DMCA:


Rights holders would be allowed to prevent parallel imports
Massive extension of copyright terms, from life of author plus 50 years, to 70 years
Circumventing a Technological Protection Measure (TPM) will to be a criminal offence even if the work it protects is in the public domain or you want to exercise fair dealing rights like educational use or current affairs reporting
The return of guilt upon accusation three strikes Internet termination laws
Forcing us to reverse the decision recently taken to exclude software from being patentable
Introducing statutory damages (which give rights holders windfall damages up to 3 times their actual losses)
ISP policing of IP rights including a requirement for ISPs to give up their customers’ identities when they receive a mere allegation from a rights holder
Criminal liability even where the infringement has no commercial value at all
Pushing Courts to impose imprisonment as the default sentence for infringement even where no monetary benefit is obtained

[Brian d marge]

Im gonna shoot me someone

Stephen

what will it take before people actually do something ........ Im astounded

[mashman]

Yet another doin (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9195257/govt-knew-scf-would-fail/).

"It has been revealed the Government knew in late 2009 that South Canterbury Finance would default under the retail deposit guarantee scheme.

The finance company failed last year sparking a $1.8 billion liability to the Government.

A Treasury paper dated December 2009 shows the Government was told South Canterbury Finance was expected to fail in or around March of 2010 and the Crown should set aside a provision of almost $700 million to account for it.
South Canterbury Finance had been signed up to an extension of the deposit guarantee scheme the month before."

So in 4 months, it went from a liability of $700,000,000, to an action value of well over double that :rofl: :killingme I wonder how that happened :blink: and wonder where the other half of the money went, or where the extra liability kicked in :blink:

[SPman]

Todays news Stephen.....
This morning, after passing (http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2011/04/its-law.html) a US-style guilt by accusation (http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2011/04/return-of-guilt-by-accusation.html) copyright law, Parliament began debating the committee stage of the Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Bill (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2011/0286/latest/DLM3653522.html). Normally in a committee stage debate MPs debate specific amendments to the bill. But this morning, they couldn't, because the government hadn't finished drafting them yet (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/4887566/Govt-keeps-earthquake-law-changes-secret):
Yesterday we learned that one of our Mighty Atlases of business, Mark Hotchin, was such a financial whizz that he was scammed by a Ponzi scheme (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10718967). The reason we're only hearing about this now is because at the time Hotchins' name was suppressed. The justification? To protect investors in his finance company, Hanover Finance (http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/72833/hotchin%27s-name-suppressed-%27to-protect-investors%27), from the shock of finding out that the man they had entrusted their money to was a moron.
That's not "protecting" investors - its enabling their predation. If the director of a financial institution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Institution) can't understand the maxim that "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is", then that is something that strikes at the credibility of that institution, and which its investors very much need to know. But instead, Hotchin's identity was kept secret, to protect his reputation for financial propriety - in the process allowing him to squander hundreds of millions of dollars of investor's money, while fleecing them for enormous dividends.

The government has appointed Richard Griffin to chair the board of Radio New Zealand (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1104/S00323/coleman-appoints-new-radio-new-zealand-chair.htm). Who is Richard Griffin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Griffin)? The Minister's press release calls him "a director of a Wellington public affairs company and a former RNZ political editor". Oddly, they forget to mention the real highlight of his career. Fortunately, Griffin's web page (http://www.frasergriffinwood.co.nz/richard_griffin.htm) is not so modest:
From 1993 to 1998 he served the New Zealand Government as Chief Press Secretary and Senior Media Advisor to Prime Minister Jim Bolger and the New Zealand Cabinet. So, our public broadcaster will now be headed by a National Party hack. Jobs for the boys is ugly and corrupt enough normally; when its used to drop political hacks into control of a state broadcaster, it looks downright dangerous.
Overall for the three Parliaments under the last Labour government the total percentage of time used for urgency was 13% (99-02) 21% (02-05) 10% (05-08). National have not completed their three years but are sitting at 31% after just over two years.

...if Labour had pulled this shit, if they had rammed through legislation without the proper democratic checks and balances the mainstream media would be writing editorials on how to make molotov cocktails (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_Cocktails) alongside the addresses of Cabinet Ministers. The fact John Key can smile and wave and get away with it is the tragedy.It just goes on and on and on............yet dickheads still scream that Helen Clark was the most corrupt politician on earth because she claimed a charity painting was hers........

[mashman]

Unnecessary regulations revoked (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9197117/unnecessary-regulations-revoked/). Take effect May 2011, 17 days away? WTF are these people doing?

[Oblivion]

This has been on the cards for a while now. It's a direct result of multinational record and film companies pressuring Governments all over the world to pass stricter copyright laws. They claim it is for the protection of the artist but in reality, the artist will not see any rise in income however the multinational companies will turn over a greater profit. The multinational companies aren't actually losing large amounts of money through piracy either as most of their profit comes from owning the rights to various forms of media. They still have enough money to buy Governments into passing ridiculous legislation restricting our rights which proves that they aren't losing as much money as they would like you to believe and that capitalism seeks to improve life for a few at the expoense of the many. The solution: download everything that yoiu can in between now and September 1st and then find an experienced hacker to download illegally using the Governments network to get their internet connection shut off after the cut off date.

Post from my friend on Facebook

[steve_t]

Post from my friend on Facebook

Brilliant. Hack the WiFi of government departments to DL TB of pr0n until their connections get cut off :clap::killingme:2thumbsup

[Brian d marge]

Brilliant. Hack the WiFi of government departments to DL TB of pr0n until their connections get cut off :clap::killingme:2thumbsup
Done
+10

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Well this has been a silver lined cloud for me. Before; waaaay back in the student loan days , I was pissed off because , the fate of a nation relies on its young , and if you add 30 k to a young man ,,,the grandparents watch the kids grow up on skype
or
bail RANGI A THIRD TIME

NOW I have had enough, these people used unemployment to control inflation. THEN they figured out how much we needed JUST to survive AND REDUCED THAT BY 20 odd percent
Even if half of this is correct, I will be FIRST and foremost to put a bullet in these fokers heads . Fk them, enough is enough

Honestly , I would have no qualms about pulling the trigger ..Gerry would whimper like a kicked spaniel , JK would try and shift the blame,

As for the lesbians on the labour bench,,,, lose the earrings

Any one else who can Honestly sleep at night, will also meet with the entertainment of the tricoteuse; how can you be so ignorant

I pity the poor ignarium who tries to defend the current abhorrent(s) in the beehive

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Post from my friend on Facebook
I love open source , and use it ! and give it , we all grow

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

http://torrentfreak.com/isp-wrongfully-sent-300-first-strike-letters-to-innocents-110617/

Honest Guv , We dont make mistakes

Stephen

Now taking bets before Un Zud follows suit .........