New non-profit documentary, fucking mind blowing.

[racefactory]

This that just came out this year so hopefully some peeps will find it a good watch. What are peoples views?

It's long but I've never seen anything on TV with so much insight as this. It's the biggest non-profit documentary and utterly mind blowing. The first part you may find a touch boring but give it a chance as it really sets the stage for the onslaught of hard hitting abominations that follow. It's also got some open minded ideas that I can't quite fathom yet.

After watching this I feel the world is a train wreck rapidly picking up speed. Surely people in the future will look back at us and in total disbelief wonder how could we be basing our entire existence upon something that is going to run out tomorrow? How could we continually profit from inefficiencies and leave this insane wake of destruction? Our economy is exactly the opposite of it's literal meaning... it's not in place to economize but to actually cause waste and ensure ever escalating, viscous consumption to keep the system going; setting the stage for our own destruction.

Preservation, sustainability, social well being, efficiency, problem resolution, equality- all enemies of this economic world and counteractive to the bent profiteering values that are installed into us from society.

I know it's all doom and gloom, so easy to turn a blind eye to and just live on but I think it's good to have an open mind in the world. I don't want to play this game of mindless consumption and debt slavery that society presses into us. If I could find happiness in the things that don't require money, help others and do something good for the world... surely that's really worth living for. But how do you isolate yourself from the society and yet still manage to function fully as a human? Part of me wishes I was living in Vietnam fishing for my dinner and riding my bicycle everywhere- no uni, no money, shopping, marriage, mortgages, banks, debt, financial institutions. Haha!

The question I wonder about now is will we be around for the collapse? I sure don't want to be around for any longer than this lifetime, that's for sure.

I have a question for you elder ones too- what did the future seem like to you back then when you were 20? Is this just the same old thing, or was it something to look forward to back then?

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[onearmedbandit]

Nearly 3hrs? 3hrs is too long for any movie, especially one that doesn't look like it's got guns, explosions and naked women.

But without watching it, yes I too sometimes wish for the simple life, off the grid. But I enjoy my toys too much. Got to have toys.

Mind you if I could take some intense mind-enhancing drugs all day and sit and philosophise I'd soon forget about the toys.

[gatch]

I am a fan of the Zeitgeist saga, I even like the idea of the "venus project".

But then I like my petrol burning toys even more.. I like that the norton I race averages around 5km/L and it's only got 50 odd HP.

[racefactory]

Yes I too would normally think that man but it's really it's worth every bit of the time watching it. Give it a go in chunks when you get a moment...

[mashman]

The question I wonder about now is will we be around for the collapse? I sure don't want to be around for any longer than this lifetime, that's for sure.

I have a question for you elder ones too- what did the future seem like to you back then when you were 20? Is this just the same old thing, or was it something to look forward to back then?

Cheers for the post, i'll give it a watch tomorrow hopefully... You might enjoy Home (http://www.youtube.com/homeproject#p/a/f/0/jqxENMKaeCU), you might not...

you'll learn to live with it, or you won't.

[superman]

Interesting... but is it as interesting as...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6Rfsi6zSY

Bam Bam Bam :yes:

[racefactory]

...well, you gotta enjoy the small things in life eh.

[scissorhands]

The best thing you can do for the planets well being is to kill yourself, and encourage others to do the same.

Many civilisations pass ie: Easter Island. This one will probably do the same.

I'm a decentralist.

Large modern Venus project cities will have all the same problems of factory farming humans that we have now. Transportation of food, people and goods

I think in NZ we should all live in small villages linked by monorail. Every small community would have say 1 lawnmower to share, one cordless drill etc. A retired gent keeps a key and books for all items and fix's them. Sort of like a non profit community hire pool. Nearly all food is produced in a community farm, transport is almost nill.

Transportation reduction of people and goods should be a major consideration by planners.

Modular houses should be made in a factory production line and moved to site, rather than built up outside.

Tax rate should go up if you dont move family to within 2 km of your place of work

[Brett]

The best thing you can do for the planets well being is to kill yourself, and encourage others to do the same.

Many civilisations pass ie: Easter Island. This one will probably do the same.

I'm a decentralist.

Large modern Venus project cities will have all the same problems of factory farming humans that we have now. Transportation of food, people and goods

I think in NZ we should all live in small villages linked by monorail. Every small community would have say 1 lawnmower to share, one cordless drill etc. A retired gent keeps a key and books for all items and fix's them. Sort of like a non profit community hire pool. Nearly all food is produced in a community farm, transport is almost nill.

Transportation reduction of people and goods should be a major consideration by planners.

Modular houses should be made in a factory production line and moved to site, rather than built up outside.

Tax rate should go up if you dont move family to within 2 km of your place of work

Sounds a bit communist to me. Complete and utter legislated way of living. I choose to kill myself.

however, the "community" way of living is how lifestyles are progressing in Europe. I worked with a developer who wanted to build something similar in Pokeno. basically each family had a house that was a living area, garage and rooms. Shared kitchen facilities, laundry facility etc. Also, each property had no official 'garden'. Each household shared in the communal landscape, so there were playgrounds for the kids etc that everyone could use. It was a cool idea, but brought some practicality/feasibility issues with it.

[oneofsix]

how does the idea of one lawnmower help? Surely it runs just as long cause it has to mow as much lawn. It will wear out faster cause it now has to do all the lawns so will require replacing/servicing sooner/more often so no real saving there either.
So village communities would have to be set up around corporations otherwise some people will have to live more than 2km from their work or their partners will. Actually the whole family will have to work for the same corporation. Community living works for small enterprise type set up and in Nz we call them names like Feilding or Foxton

[R6_kid]

The best thing you can do for the planets well being is to kill yourself, and encourage others to do the same.

I got invited to a Christian/Church thing about sustainability etc at University. When they asked for options to help the planet and to have less of a carbon footprint, I said exactly what you said.... they didn't like it very much, but when I challenged him he kinda had to accept it, because after all it is true.

[Scuba_Steve]

The best thing you can do for the planets well being is to kill yourself, and encourage others to do the same.



I got invited to a Christian/Church thing about sustainability etc at University. When they asked for options to help the planet and to have less of a carbon footprint, I said exactly what you said.... they didn't like it very much, but when I challenged him he kinda had to accept it, because after all it is true.

"'Cause life is a game that no one wins
But you deserve a head-start the way your life's goin'
So throw in the towel 'cause your life ain't shit
No take that towel and hang yourself with it
Life's short and hard like a body-building elf
So save the planet and kill yourself
If you're feelin' down-and-out with what your life is all about
Lift your head up high and blow your brains out "


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhyVIluOwKg

[george formby]

Clever (frustrated) observers have tried to be heard for years. Western economics is based on growth. Consumption & consumerism. The recent crash is a hint of how fragile this house of cards really is.

When we reach the end of our resources, whether it be water, oil, food, lithium, uranium, you name it, the shit will really hit the fan.

A comment I heard a couple of years ago regularly springs to mind.

Nothing will change until we watch the first million people die on TV.

[mashman]

Many civilisations pass ie: Easter Island. This one will probably do the same.


We're following a similar path :yes:, although we can change that. Shame some file it in the too hard basket.



Sounds a bit communist to me. Complete and utter legislated way of living. I choose to kill myself.

however, the "community" way of living is how lifestyles are progressing in Europe. I worked with a developer who wanted to build something similar in Pokeno. basically each family had a house that was a living area, garage and rooms. Shared kitchen facilities, laundry facility etc. Also, each property had no official 'garden'. Each household shared in the communal landscape, so there were playgrounds for the kids etc that everyone could use. It was a cool idea, but brought some practicality/feasibility issues with it.


:rofl: and this ?democracy? that we live in isn't a complete and utter legislated way of living? :facepalm: You're complaining because of the rules? Have you ever considered that that way of life would have less rules? Would probably allow you more free time etc... I reckon we're living in the worst era of mankind, but we do have some cool toys to play with.

What practicality/feasibility issues are we talking about? Bet you they where ALL finance/ownership related.


Nothing will change until we watch the first million people die on TV.

That happens every few days doesn't it? Sometimes they televise part of it. I'm guessing noone will give a shit and no changes will be made... short of genocide that is :)

[racefactory]

Would probably allow you more free time etc... I reckon we're living in the worst era of mankind, but we do have some cool toys to play with.



Hey man, what do you believe would be the best era to live in?

If there are no such toys to begin with, we will never know the enjoyment to be had from their existence and will make do just as much with other available forms, though you are probably just joking anyway ;).

[jonbuoy]

You don´t have to live in a throwaway society - its your choice. Stop buying cheap disposable Chinese goods as an example - cheap domestic products that last two years - buy one good quality item that will last 10-15 years (5 times as long from the same natural resources, just better designed. Don´t buy over packaged products full stop.

Buy from the local shops, stop driving star walking/cycling. Problem is all this takes effort and money from our own pockets. Its not the few people at the top that can make the most impact its the billions of us at the bottom that can make the difference.

No one will of course.

[mashman]

Hey man, what do you believe would be the best era to live in?

If there are no such toys to begin with, we will never know the enjoyment to be had from their existence and will make do just as much with other available forms, though you are probably just joking anyway ;).

:rofl:, the best era (imho), is yet to come. It will be the one where there's no such thing as a value system. It's a stupid idea. One that has been proven, over millenia, not to work, wether it be using money, gold, sheep, blankets, firewater... they've all failed. There'd be no budget constraints (an utterly mindblowing possibility). No rich, no poor, no thieving and beating people for money and stuff, because the stuff will have no value... but all that is waaaaaaaay down in the too had basket...

heh, I was semi joking... I love technology and toys... Just because there's no "value" system, doesn't mean that technology won't exist for both practical and pleasure purposes, quite the opposite I reckon.

[Ocean1]

Sounds a bit communist to me. Complete and utter legislated way of living. I choose to kill myself.

Bit short sighted innit, dude?

Shirley the enlightened fella would kill all the communists and then do what the fuck he wants.

[ellipsis]

...I reckon a community type of living would be cool ...as long as I was the only one in mine..

[Ocean1]

I have a question for you elder ones too- what did the future seem like to you back then when you were 20?

It was filled with the promises of space exploration, longevity, conquest over diseases and really really good looking blondes.

Not sure how that changed to plastic packaging on my business shirts that serves no purpose other than trippling the price.

[ellipsis]

I have a question for you elder ones too- what did the future seem like to you back then when you were 20?


...as daunting as any other era...I seem to remember...fuel may have been under 20c a gallon...a dozen quarts of bavarian bitter may have only been 3 or 4 dollars...same as a stick of buddha...we were not as sophisticated, I seem to remember...an international act coming down south was a fucking big thing and my take home for 40 hours was pretty good for an apprentice just out of his time...70 ish bucks...and the future was just something ahead of you...never ever thought I would ever get to own a house.....

[mashman]

Nearly 3hrs? 3hrs is too long for any movie, especially one that doesn't look like it's got guns, explosions and naked women.


Watch the first 20 minutes. It has all of that in one fashion or another. (that's all i've watched so far, and will be watching on). The last 2 minutes (approx), of the 20, sum it ALL up.

[NinjaNanna]

watched the whole thing, nothing particularly ground breaking or revealing in it at all. Mind you some of us have been posting about this shit for ages.

Yes the worlds on a collision course with all fucked up, yes it'll happen well within our own lifetimes, now what are you going to do about it?

BTW kind of found it interesting that they never bothered to address the biggest problem and that is population and population control, and what is a sustainable population in their new utopia

[ellipsis]

....soylent green...

[racefactory]

Yes the worlds on a collision course with all fucked up, yes it'll happen well within our own lifetimes, now what are you going to do about it?

BTW kind of found it interesting that they never bothered to address the biggest problem and that is population and population control

That's something I would have liked them to touch on in more detail but from what I understand it is not population that is a problem caused in itself but rather a consequence of the cheap oil we have had over the last century. It is because of oil that there are nearly 7 billion of us viscous cunts on the planet right now and if it were limited to a sustainable level of consumption then there wouldn't be this problem. Probably wrong but it's something along the lines of that isn't it?

[mashman]

watched the whole thing, nothing particularly ground breaking or revealing in it at all. Mind you some of us have been posting about this shit for ages.

Yes the worlds on a collision course with all fucked up, yes it'll happen well within our own lifetimes, now what are you going to do about it?

BTW kind of found it interesting that they never bothered to address the biggest problem and that is population and population control, and what is a sustainable population in their new utopia

Tis nice to see it all put together though... there's a world full of people that feel the same way and have been warning about these things for millenia. I'm glad they keep "posting".

Personally, i'll support whoever stands up to do it properly.

I doubt we'll need population control, not for a millenia or so. During that time there'll likely be plenty of natural disasters to cull us as and when... and who the fuck wants to bring up rug rats :) (especially if there's no money in them)

[mashman]

This that just came out this year so hopefully some peeps will find it a good watch. What are peoples views?

A great watch thanks. Plenty of :yes: and :facepalm: moments. I've been steering clear of the Zeitgeist films as I'd always figured them to be pretty much of a much, just propoganda... was quite surprised to see it so thouroughly thought through :yes: and factual. I wonder if they'll make a film that will "outline" their idea for the transition from what we have, to what we could have?

[mashman]

how does the idea of one lawnmower help? Surely it runs just as long cause it has to mow as much lawn. It will wear out faster cause it now has to do all the lawns so will require replacing/servicing sooner/more often so no real saving there either.
So village communities would have to be set up around corporations otherwise some people will have to live more than 2km from their work or their partners will. Actually the whole family will have to work for the same corporation. Community living works for small enterprise type set up and in Nz we call them names like Feilding or Foxton

Are you thinking that that lawn mower runs on petrol and has an engine :facepalm: :shifty:

[BMWST?]

Transportation reduction of people and goods should be a major consideration by planners.

Modular houses should be made in a factory production line and moved to site, rather than built up outside.

Tax rate should go up if you dont move family to within 2 km of your place of work
So every community has a house factory?

[Berries]

It is because of oil that there are nearly 7 billion of us viscous cunts on the planet right now
Pun intended right ?


I have a question for you elder ones too- what did the future seem like to you back then when you were 20?
The future was bright. Now it is fucked. Nothing to do with the video though, it's just an age thing.

[Gubb]

It was filled with the promises of space exploration, longevity, conquest over diseases and really really good looking blondes.

Not sure how that changed to plastic packaging on my business shirts that serves no purpose other than trippling the price.
The really really good looking blondes did it.

[Woodman]

Even Chales Manson knows whats going on. He's had a bit of a checkered past so he's probarbly not the guy to use as your poster boy for saving the planet.

I agree with him though. The only way i can see it changing is by force.
Below is from an interview he did a few days ago.

"Everyone's God and if we don't wake up to that there's going to be no weather because our polar caps are melting because we're doing bad things to the atmosphere," he said.

"The automobiles and fossil fuels are destroying the atmosphere and we won't have air to breathe.

"If we don't change that as rapidly as I'm speaking to you now, if we don't put the green back on the planet and put the trees back that we've butchered, if we don't go to war against the problem "