Can someone show me the law?

[Scuba_Steve]

I am not in trouble (this time :shifty:) But out of interest I have been looking but unable to find as yet exact wording surrounding yellow lines (I don't know maybee my search skills aint good enough), so if anyone could direct me to or post the exact wording to do with any/all yellow lines that would be appreciated.

Also if anyone knows or could direct to/post al laws surrounding reversing onto a road that would be good too, I believe this law is still round???

[oneofsix]

tried this link?
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303051.html#DLM303051

[Scuba_Steve]

tried this link?
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303051.html#DLM303051

Have seen that before but that only deals with the middle yellow lines not the ones to the side or criss-cross ones and only really refers to "no passing lines" rather than "yellow", so you still have to know what they are

[imdying]

No, but this man can....

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[oneofsix]

Have seen that before but that only deals with the middle yellow lines not the ones to the side or criss-cross ones and only really refers to "no passing lines" rather than "yellow", so you still have to know what they are

Do you want to include the yellow circles around fire hydrants and the yellow dashes down the side of the road? Just because it is yellow doesn't mean it's all one thing but they do tend to have a related meaning - don't be here.
Think you will find yellow criss-cross under horizontal mediums; whereas you are permitted and expected to cross the white ones you are not allowed on the yellow.

[Scuba_Steve]

Do you want to include the yellow circles around fire hydrants and the yellow dashes down the side of the road? Just because it is yellow doesn't mean it's all one thing but they do tend to have a related meaning - don't be here.
Think you will find yellow criss-cross under horizontal mediums; whereas you are permitted and expected to cross the white ones you are not allowed on the yellow.

yep I am looking for all laws surrounding all yellow lines, Stop, no passing, no parking, no stopping, FH etc, etc, etc but not just the meaning of the described the actual wording surrounding the yellow lines & they're purpose

[Scuba_Steve]

No, but this man can....


Sweet, now how do I get in contact???:innocent:

[CookMySock]

yep I am looking for all laws surrounding all yellow lines, Stop, no passing, no parking, no stopping, FH etc, etc, etc but not just the meaning of the described the actual wording surrounding the yellow lines & they're purposeToo generic a question.

The only relevant lines are the dashed no-parking ones, and the solid yellow do-not-cross lines. Don't park on them, and don't cross them, respectively. :yes:

[Scuba_Steve]

Too generic a question.

The only relevant lines are the dashed no-parking ones, and the solid yellow do-not-cross lines. Don't park on them, and don't cross them, respectively. :yes:

the do not stop/block criss-cross outside the likes of Fire stations aren't relevant??? :blink:

I'm just looking for what the law says on all of these, because what law says & what we believe can quite often be very different & I like to know the exact rules :yes:

[MSTRS]

Yellow lines on the right = do not cross UNLESS you are turning off the roadway
Yellow lines on the left = NO stopping on the roadside.

Why would you want it to be any more difficult?

[Scuba_Steve]

Yellow lines on the right = do not cross UNLESS you are turning off the roadway
Yellow lines on the left = NO stopping on the roadside.

Why would you want it to be any more difficult?

well that right there is one thing I want to know for sure, as I hear conflicting views on it all the time, are you allowed to cross the yellow line? Some (like you) say yes if turning off, others say no you are not allowed to cross this yellow line at all & hence one of the reasons I am searching all laws exact wording surrounding yellow lines

[MSTRS]

well that right there is one thing I want to know for sure, as I hear conflicting views on it all the time, are you allowed to cross the yellow line? Some (like you) say yes if turning off, others say no you are not allowed to cross this yellow line at all & hence one of the reasons I am searching all laws exact wording surrounding yellow lines

Yellow line/s in the road centre indicate no passing. It is entirely legal to cross them in order to enter a driveway (say) on the other side of the road. You will note that in the case of a side street, that there will usually be a break in the yellow. For some reason, driveways are not afforded this 'courtesy'.

I missed the other 2 types of yellow...
1. Crosshatching = usually straddling a railway line or some particular lane intersections. Means DO NOT enter this area unless the exit is clear. Just an exclamation mark on the rule of not entering an intersection etc
2. Double yellow limit line at a Stop sign-controlled intersection.

[oneofsix]

Yellow line/s in the road centre indicate no passing. It is entirely legal to cross them in order to enter a driveway (say) on the other side of the road. You will note that in the case of a side street, that there will usually be a break in the yellow. For some reason, driveways are not afforded this 'courtesy'.

I missed the other 2 types of yellow...
1. Crosshatching = usually straddling a railway line or some particular lane intersections. Means DO NOT enter this area unless the exit is clear. Just an exclamation mark on the rule of not entering an intersection etc
2. Double yellow limit line at a Stop sign-controlled intersection.

Do the Double yellow limit line at a Stop sign-controlled intersection have any meaning? If you look at the stop sign rule it is a complete stop clear of intersection where you can see the way is clear, no mention of lines. Intersection definition goes on about kerbs, again no mention of lines. I always thought these lines were just suggestion

[MSTRS]

Have had a search, and can find nothing regarding crossing yellows in order to leave the road (eg).
We all know that yellow markings are there to indicate an area of heightened risk, so don't go there.
Legalities aside, obviously anyone wanting to cross, does so at their own risk and needs to take extra-special care to determine it's safe to do so.
We see cops doing U-eys over yellows all the time...with predictable results at times.
Perhaps this is one of those grey areas?

[Scuba_Steve]

see this is why it is kind of interesting to me. Everyone knows the rules, but very few know the law.

[MSTRS]

Do the Double yellow limit line at a Stop sign-controlled intersection have any meaning? If you look at the stop sign rule it is a complete stop clear of intersection where you can see the way is clear, no mention of lines. Intersection definition goes on about kerbs, again no mention of lines. I always thought these lines were just suggestion

I have always taken the limit lines to mean stop short of this point. The Roadcode says "Single or double yellow lines are marked on sealed roads to help you stop where you can best see other traffic."
Give Way is a single or double white. Stop is a double yellow.
I've always thought that the lines are there to tell motorists what sort of controlled intersection it is - if the sign has been taken out (eg)

[MSTRS]

see this is why it is kind of interesting to me. Everyone knows the rules, but very few know the law.

If it was the law, we could find it in NZTA's website...

Belay that...found it here (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/turning.html)

[oneofsix]

If it was the law, we could find it in NZTA's website...

you have more faith in their websites search function than sir, or perhaps more experience with it.

[Scuba_Steve]

If it was the law, we could find it in NZTA's website...

Belay that...found it here (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/turning.html)

"You can cross over the solid yellow no-passing line (if it is safe to do so) when making a turn to enter a driveway or side road.

However, bear in mind that no-passing lines are often marked where visibility is limited, so special care is required. It may be safer to turn further along the road, where visibility is better. See Passing for more information about no-passing lines."

we'll guess this means you were right you can turn over yellow lines, but still no exact wording & the road code is not law, just a guide. Much like what I mentioned before we all know the rules but very few know the law. But cheers that is one step towards the truth

[MSTRS]

Fine line (if it exists at all) between the Roadcode and the law.
Fines are imposed for breaking the law, correct? Transgress on a 'guide' in the Roadcode...you get fined. I'm failing to see the difference.

[Scuba_Steve]

Fine line (if it exists at all) between the Roadcode and the law.
Fines are imposed for breaking the law, correct? Transgress on a 'guide' in the Roadcode...you get fined. I'm failing to see the difference.

Some yes, but others are like yellow speed signs, they are just recommendations & the wording also can make a difference. The road guide does make a point of stating anything contained within is not law just a guide to it mainly because it is a much simplified guide to the law. I am after The Law:yes:

[Smifffy]

I can see issues with knowing exactly what the law is these days, because it seems like everyone and their sister has decided that a few yellow lines sprayed around the place will help their particular cause. Mall and supermarket carparks, and service lanes being classic cases of road marking gone wild.

[MSTRS]

Some yes, but others are like yellow speed signs, they are just recommendations & the wording also can make a difference. The road guide does make a point of stating anything contained within is not law just a guide to it mainly because it is a much simplified guide to the law. I am after The Law:yes:

Actually, the yellow speed advisory signs are law for trucks. In theory, at least, they indicate a safe speed for a truck to negotiate that particular corner without risking roll-over.
I doubt that there is any such thing as Law, when it comes to road rules in general. I seem to recall that NZTA is controlled by an Act and given authority to implement, impose, remove and alter rules that they oversee. Hence the current electronic roadcode IS law.

[CookMySock]

the road code is not law, just a guide.If the advice (the road code) was offered by some relevant (seemingly)authoritive source for the purposes of advising you with regard to law, and it was clear to an ordinary citizen that this advice could reasonably be relied upon, then in a court of law they will have an extremely difficult time with presenting a contrasting opinion.

Which means if the road code says you can do it, then you can.

[Scuba_Steve]

If the advice (the road code) was offered by some relevant (seemingly)authoritive source for the purposes of advising you with regard to law, and it was clear to an ordinary citizen that this advice could reasonably be relied upon, then in a court of law they will have an extremely difficult time with presenting a contrasting opinion.

Which means if the road code says you can do it, then you can.

except for if you've ever brought the road code it states clearly in the beginning of the book this it is just a guide, it is not necessarily the law & it cannot be used as defence.
But all this argument about weather the road code represents the law still doesn't help with my search for the actual wording on the law to do with yellow lines of different sorts nor the reversing onto a road rule (if still around)

[MSTRS]

except for if you've ever brought the road code it states clearly in the beginning of the book this it is just a guide, it is not necessarily the law & it cannot be used as defence.
But all this argument about weather the road code represents the law still doesn't help with my search for the actual wording on the law to do with yellow lines of different sorts nor the reversing onto a road rule (if still around)

You won't find traffic law anywhere but in the roadcode.
That disclaimer is to cover the fact that a printed booklet can be obselete until the next revision print...

[Scuba_Steve]

You won't find traffic law anywhere but in the roadcode.
That disclaimer is to cover the fact that a printed booklet can be obselete until the next revision print...

:scratch: what??? So this doesn't exist??? Land Transport Act 1998 (http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM433613.html)

[CookMySock]

[...] doesn't help with my search for the actual wording on the law Yeah soz. I doubt you will find it. If you do, see if you can also find the bit where they define where a stop sign goes and where a give-way sign goes. I find the placement of each to be arbitrary and haphazard to such a random extent, that I have to examine each and every one indiviually. Seemingly the police even find it just as difficult with the stop sign right outside my home, going by the amount of times they run right through it.


except for if you've ever brought the road code it states clearly in the beginning of the book this it is just a guide, it is not necessarily the law & it cannot be used as defence. Disclaimers don't mean anything. If they offer relevant advice from a relevant govt agency concerning some relevant law, in such a manner that an ordinary citizen can read it and rely on it, then they are not in a position to arbitrarily revoke it. Principle of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel">Estoppel</a> applies.

I'd go as far as saying 90% of their more trivial rules and statutes are designed to be as ambiguous and arcane as possible, specifically for the purpose of their financial gain, but hey I'm just guessing there! :sunny:

[MSTRS]

:scratch: what??? So this doesn't exist???

Aha. I knew there was an 'Act' that covered stuff. The bit I referred to is Section 11 (http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435179.html#DLM435179)
This is why the printed roadcode should not be taken as gospel. Because the minister (or NZTA on his behalf) can change, remove or add rules at any time.
Read a copy of the 2009 Roadcode...I'll bet there's nothing in there re using cellphones, but have a look at the 2010 copy...

[Ender EnZed]

Actually, the yellow speed advisory signs are law for trucks

Really? I got my Class 2 fairly recently and I don't recall anything about those signs carrying extra legal meaning for trucks.

[MSTRS]

Could depend on the class of truck. But it is so. Has been discussed many times before.

[Ender EnZed]

Could depend on the class of truck. But it is so. Has been discussed many times before.

If this is the case then it is definitely different from what's in "The official New Zealand road code for heavy vehicle drivers". I've just done a brief search which turned up these two articles on the NZTA website:

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/about/media/releases/656/news.html
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/about/media/releases/1002/news.html

There's certaintly a strong suggestion there, as there is in the truck road code, to "Keep it 10 below" but the wording makes it quite clear that "advisory" signs state the "recommended" speed for the corner. That's not the kind of language they use around speed limits.

[red mermaid]

You are wrong, they are advisory signs.

And the same for the 'Road Code.' It is an advisory informational guide.

The law is the relevant Act, Regulations, and Rules.



Could depend on the class of truck. But it is so. Has been discussed many times before.

[Berries]

The law is contained in the Road User Rule 2004 and subsequent amendments. It is on the NZTA website here - http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/road-user-2004-index.html. If I can be arsed I will post the relevant clauses re yellow markings later on, but they won't be hard to find.

Don't rely on or quote the Road Code. It is pretty pictures to match the BS driving tests.

And curve advisory signs are just that. It might be 'common' or 'best practice' for trucks to do ten below, but there is no rule on it. The signs would be regulatory signs if they had any kind of legal backing and the process for installing them would be a bit different.

[BMWST?]

Have had a search, and can find nothing regarding crossing yellows in order to leave the road (eg).
We all know that yellow markings are there to indicate an area of heightened risk, so don't go there.
Legalities aside, obviously anyone wanting to cross, does so at their own risk and needs to take extra-special care to determine it's safe to do so.
We see cops doing U-eys over yellows all the time...with predictable results at times.
Perhaps this is one of those grey areas?


see this is why it is kind of interesting to me. Everyone knows the rules, but very few know the law.
....the driver must not pass or attempt to pass a motor vehicle or an animal-drawn vehicle moving in the same direction within the length of roadway on which the no-passing line is marked until the driver reaches the further end of the no-passing line..."

they are "no passing" lines not "do not cross" lines

[Berries]

....the driver must not pass or attempt to pass a motor vehicle or an animal-drawn vehicle moving in the same direction within the length of roadway on which the no-passing line is marked until the driver reaches the further end of the no-passing line..."

they are "no passing" lines not "do not cross" lines
You missed the last part of that clause out. In full it is -

2.9(2) The driver must not pass or attempt to pass a motor vehicle or an animal-drawn vehicle moving in the same direction within the length of roadway on which the no-passing line is marked until the driver reaches the further end of the no-passing line, unless throughout the passing movement the driver keeps the vehicle wholly to the left of the no-passing line.

So in fact they are "no passing if you have to cross them" lines.

[Berries]

If I can be arsed I will post the relevant clauses re yellow markings later on, but they won't be hard to find.
To answer the OP, who was talking about other yellow lines you have -

No stopping lines -

6.4 Parking contrary to notice, traffic sign, or marking
(4) A driver or person in charge of a vehicle must not stop, stand, or park the vehicle on any part of a roadway where the road controlling authority has marked a broken yellow line parallel to, and at a distance of not more than 1 m from, the edge of the roadway.

The clause that says you don’t have to stop at the yellow limit line at an intersection -

4.1 Giving way where vehicles are controlled by stop sign or give-way sign
(1) A driver approaching or entering an intersection on a roadway where the vehicles that are moving in the direction in which that driver is travelling are controlled by a stop sign at or near the intersection must—
(a) stop his or her vehicle before entering the path of any possible vehicle flow at such a position as to be able to ascertain whether the way is clear for the driver to proceed.
So if you pull up behind a car at a stop controlled intersection, stop behind it and then follow it through when he goes you aren’t committing an offence. Always a good one to start an argument that.


Yellow box markings at intersections. I stand to be corrected, but these I believe are just highlighting areas where you should not stop, which are covered by several clauses including -

4.5 Approaching and entering intersections
(2) Despite anything in Part 3, a driver approaching an intersection or an area controlled by traffic signals must not enter the intersection or controlled area if the driver’s intended passage or exit is blocked by stationary traffic.
I am not sure that the markings themselves have any legal meaning, although they are referred to in Section 10.6 of the Traffic Control Devices Rule, which is also on the NZTA website and required reading if you are looking to argue a ticket.


And fire hydrants, assuming they are highlighted with a yellow marking -

6.10 Parking near fire hydrants
(1) A driver or person in charge of a vehicle must not stop, stand, or park the vehicle—
(a) within 500 mm of a fire hydrant; or
(b) if the fire hydrant is situated below the surface of the road, within 500 mm of the centre of the cover of the hydrant.


And finally -

8.3(2)(b) Don't eat yellow snow.
It tastes like piss.

[oneofsix]

Yellow box markings at intersections. I stand to be corrected, but these I believe are just highlighting areas where you should not stop, which are covered by several clauses including -

I am not sure that the markings themselves have any legal meaning, although they are referred to in Section 10.6 of the Traffic Control Devices Rule, which is also on the NZTA website and required reading if you are looking to argue a ticket.
.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/traffic-control-devices-manual/part-09-level-crossings/5-3-road-marking.html
5.3.6 Cross hatching (clear zones)

Where the departure of long vehicles or queues of traffic from a level crossing may be blocked by a nearby intersection or other traffic control device, an escape lane or clear zone should be provided.

Cross-hatch markings may be used to define a clear zone area that drivers should not enter when their departure from a level crossing is blocked.

Cross-hatched clear zones should be marked in the following manner:

colour – reflectorised yellow
cross-hatch line – 100 mm wide
border line – 100 mm wide
should not, on any lane, extend beyond 2.4 m from the nearest rail edge (3 m from the centreline of the nearest railway line).

Note the heavy use of should in the above, should is usually taken to mean it is desirable whereas must means no if but or maybes.

[FJRider]

Actually, the yellow speed advisory signs are law for trucks. In theory, at least, they indicate a safe speed for a truck to negotiate that particular corner without risking roll-over.


So why do the speed advisory signs go up to 95 km/hr ... ??? when the heavy vehicle limit is 90 ... ???

[FJRider]

Could depend on the class of truck. But it is so. Has been discussed many times before.

I guess thats why so many truckies have been prosecuted for exceeding speed limits posted on speed advisory signs ... :innocent:

[Berries]

So why do the speed advisory signs go up to 95 km/hr ... ??? when the heavy vehicle limit is 90 ... ???
If you saw the prehistoric method for determining what the speed is you'd soon realise that they are not enforceable. Have a look at Appendix A3 here -

MOTSAM Part 1 (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/motsam/part-1/motsam-1.html)

[FJRider]

If you saw the prehistoric method for determining what the speed is you'd soon realise that they are not enforceable.



I am well aware how those speeds are determined ...

Not "enforceable" ... as such ....

But in the case of an accident ... if drivers (car, truck ...or motorcyclist) had been obviously ignoring the advisory signs. It wouldn't help their case, if dangerous driving charges were laid. As has been done in the past ...