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AllanC
21st April 2011, 17:11
Hi all, I'm looking for some help. I've just picked up an '82 CB250N with the 400 motor in it already (will try to put a pic up). My daughter and I are doing it as a cafe project and are just in the process of pulling it apart. My question is, how to get the engine / case looking like new without stripping it down? It's just that the motor really purrs and I don't like messing with a good thing!

Also, what's the best way to deal with the frame - I'm assuming sand blast and powder coat?

AllanC
21st April 2011, 17:16
Hi all, I'm looking for some help. I've just picked up an '82 CB250N with the 400 motor in it already (will try to put a pic up). My daughter and I are doing it as a cafe project and are just in the process of pulling it apart. My question is, how to get the engine / case looking like new without stripping it down? It's just that the motor really purrs and I don't like messing with a good thing!

Also, what's the best way to deal with the frame - I'm assuming sand blast and powder coat?

Have attached a pic if I've done it properly

Latte
21st April 2011, 18:21
Looks like a tidy example to start with, nice.

Lots of updates and pics for those of us too lazy/unskilled to do similar :D

AllanC
21st April 2011, 19:07
Yeah, don't know about the lazy and unskilled bit. Sounds a bit like me to be honest ! Anyway, we shall see. I'll try and post plenty of pics.

DrunkenMistake
21st April 2011, 19:09
Aw man, I have wanted a cafe Project for yonkksssssssss I wish I had the money to do it!, im expecting a tonne of pictures from you man haha, What ideas have you brain stormed for it so far?

AllanC
21st April 2011, 19:21
Not too many yet, thinking it should be pearl white and I'll lose all the plastic around the seat. I'll get a cafe style seat made on the existing seat base, probably add a 2 into 1 pipe. Not too sure what to do around the back end yet and will need to get some handle bars done. First step is to pull it apart tho'!

DrunkenMistake
21st April 2011, 19:34
Not too many yet, thinking it should be pearl white and I'll lose all the plastic around the seat. I'll get a cafe style seat made on the existing seat base, probably add a 2 into 1 pipe. Not too sure what to do around the back end yet and will need to get some handle bars done. First step is to pull it apart tho'!

yeah ae, I have always imaged a modern spin to them ae, Always wanted one with a kick start and a push button start concealed under the seat or something like that, gives that appearance of classic, then Id want to spice it up a little but getting a cafe seat made up, but not one of those node cone half jobs, something different and something uncommon, maybe a little square and round at the same time, and I would look at getting an integrated LED Tail/indicator light to spice it up a little, never gave the pipes much thought, could never decide if i wanted a 4inline or a twin, a 4inline if I won lotto would need to be super charged ;) .. the front would be cool to have a single headlight with a built in digital rev counter and speedo, so it looks like the head light but once the bike is on it looks like its just the numbers painted on sorta thing.. theres some of my ideas haha, I have literary gone over millions of variables for ages now haha

AllanC
21st April 2011, 20:16
I've got some photos that gave me some inspiration but can't figure out how to upload them from my iPhone :( will have to wait till I get back to my laptop!

cave weta
21st April 2011, 20:44
I've got some photos that gave me some inspiration but can't figure out how to upload them from my iPhone :( will have to wait till I get back to my laptop!

Mate if you want inspiration- go here and have a look at my Cafe Racer Gallery
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.10150411669700013.626039.254441400012#!/media/set/fbx/?set=a.10150411669700013.626039.254441400012

AllanC
21st April 2011, 21:05
Damn, some beautiful bikes there !

Paulo
22nd April 2011, 14:20
Hi There's tonnes of sites with good info and inspiration out there. It's worth joining Perth Street Bikes and Aussie site just for their cafe racer thread which is well over 200 pages long, I found some nice inspiration for a cb750 I caffed a couple of years ago. Also check out do the ton an american cafe site loads of pictures and tech advice there , seems that in America building cafe racers has become pretty trendy and replaced the custom chopper scene a bit (they tend towards hondas because there are so many old cheap ones there. so that should help)

also 'return of the cafe racer' has some good info on sourcing parts , (posh, Vanem, omar racing etc) sorry no links I'm a bit busy at work but google will turn all of this up) : )

Bonez
22nd April 2011, 16:09
There's a lot of stuff avialible you can use from the Emgo Classic British and Jap catoque- http://www.emgo.com/emgo_catalogs.html

AllanC
22nd April 2011, 17:28
Great stuff, I'll have a look

Geeen
23rd April 2011, 12:45
Just saw this (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Acewell-2853-Digital-Tacho-Speedo-Odo-Fuel-Trip-Meter-/300500148211?_trksid=e17002.m8&_trkparms=algo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D 2%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8646031282551718077)on Ebay Aus. Could be worth a look.

AllanC
23rd April 2011, 21:35
Actually, that's pretty cool!

AllanB
23rd April 2011, 21:55
Interesting project.

Suggestions:

Wheels - paint them black.

Throw away the side covers and fashion up some much smaller alloy ones - they will need a suitable racing number on them.

I'd slice off most of the rear subframe rear of the shock mount (weld in a suitable cross brace to retain stiffness).

Suitable cafe seat - linky : http://justfairings.co.nz/cms1/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=27&sort=20a&page=2

or

http://houseofcustom.co.nz/xtcommerce/index.php?cat=c25_Seat-Units.html&XTCsid=bip66t46q69cdcde7lnaieuti3

You'll need to make up some solo rearsets.

Suitable rowdy reverse cone mufflers too :yes: maybe wrap some of that heat material around the headers.

Paint - black with a silver tank stripe or british racing green with a gold or white stripe.

Darn, now I want one.

Bonez
24th April 2011, 09:26
As far as handle bars go Emgo/WFO do a black or chrome 7/8" "Ace" bar.

Latte
24th April 2011, 09:26
Now we just need an AllanA to post and this thread is complete :p

DrunkenMistake
24th April 2011, 11:52
Call it the Allan Alphabet Project?

AllanC
24th April 2011, 13:20
The Allan Alphabet Project it is:)

AllanC
24th April 2011, 13:27
Actually make that the Allan & Beth alphabet project, my daughter is doing as much as me if not more!

Paulo
25th April 2011, 11:50
Now we just need an AllanA to post and this thread is complete :p

Allan A's at an AA meeting

AllanC
26th April 2011, 08:18
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nudemetalz
26th April 2011, 11:11
Check this out for inspiration....

AllanC
26th April 2011, 11:24
Now that does look good - is it yours?

nudemetalz
26th April 2011, 11:27
nah sorry...just off the net http://www.299kmh.com/uploads/honda/honda-cb-400-cafe-racer-02.jpg

I had a CB250N back in 1987 so this thread caught my attention.
They're a great wee bulletproof motor,..as a brutal 17 year old boy-racer I think I saw 13,000rpm on mine once...... :gob:

AllanC
26th April 2011, 11:30
Ahh, was just wondering where the side covers and seat cowl came from

Bonez
26th April 2011, 17:37
The side covers are CM/CB400/250T, the budget model-Type 1- of which had spokes/drum brakes front and rear(was not available here), series. Like the ones below:

Bonez
26th April 2011, 17:58
The tank is a standard 400/250T item with knee scollaps. Quite well done really. If you are after a tank PM Gibbo13 he still may have the one I gave him a few years ago. Seat's, well pan anyway, is probably an off the shelf after market item I'd imagine. For what it's worth I owned a brand new CB400T in 1979. Basicly the motor evolved into the 450 which was in the Rebels sold here and may well slot right into the frame if the 400 shits itself.

Here's a TM link to a seat pan: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Fairing/auction-371085814.htm

Here's selection:http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?&searchType=0001-0026-&searchString=cafe+racer+seat&x=0&y=0&searchregion=100&type=Search&sort_order=&redirectFromAll=False&generalSearch_keypresses=15&generalSearch_suggested=0

AllanC
26th April 2011, 18:46
Those covers look like they'd go on without too much trouble at all, great - thanks!! Think I'll stick with the original tank though as it will tell where the bikes' come from.

Hopefully the 400 won't shit itself though! It was purring pretty sweetly so should be okay (unless I bugger something up pulling it apart or putting it back together).

AllanC
26th April 2011, 18:58
Shouldn't be too hard to get something customed up on the existing seat pan should it (or am I kidding myself)

DrunkenMistake
26th April 2011, 19:05
Could do it yourself depending how good you are, just get yourself some sheet metal or you could make a mould and make a fiber glass set, just paper mache a mould and done.

AllanC
26th April 2011, 19:10
Yeah I'm not that good, thought I might try somebody like Rider seats to make something on the existing pan.

DrunkenMistake
26th April 2011, 20:48
I can do some sheet metal fabrication, Its been a while since I last done it, I dedicated like an entire year of high school to nothing buy engineering fabrication and welding haha which has been great the school has allowed me to come in every know and again and use their facilities and tools and they give me the steal and what not on the cheap so long as I pay for it, maybe ask some of the high school metal work teachers if any of their kids want to do it as a project to put towards their NCEA levels, thats what I used to do, I made all sorts of shit for all sorts of people and it passed me through all the NCEA Criteria, even spent about 100+ hours building a grass cart fram scratch for the south land grass cart challenge, some good memories there, and I managed to Hijack the thread haha back on topic! ;] .. I can upload some photos of it if anyone is interested in seeing it.

But my suggestion if you want to do it cheap would be to do it that way, you can achieve some really good results too.

AllanC
27th April 2011, 09:26
It's not so much that it's cheap, it's more that I thought it would be a lot easier for the existing pan to go back on the bike. I'll have a look at a few seats and see how hard it'll be to adapt to fit the frame. Shed 5 have got a nice one with a removable cowl but I think they want over a $1,000 for it!

DrunkenMistake
27th April 2011, 10:48
It's not so much that it's cheap, it's more that I thought it would be a lot easier for the existing pan to go back on the bike. I'll have a look at a few seats and see how hard it'll be to adapt to fit the frame. Shed 5 have got a nice one with a removable cowl but I think they want over a $1,000 for it!

They look pretty simple to make from an existing seat pans, good how to make a cafe racer seat, There is a forum dedicated to them and there is a really good tutorial on it.

AllanC
2nd May 2011, 11:31
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So now I just have to figure out how to transform something that looks like this.....

AllanC
2nd May 2011, 11:33
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Into something that looks a bit like this! Gotta say, now that it's been pretty much pulled apart I'm starting to wonder how we'll ever get it back together again.

AllanC
2nd May 2011, 19:38
Since I've got this thing stripped, is there anything I should just go ahead and replace. Steering head bearing feels pretty notchy so will replace with tapered bearings but are there other things I should just not bother farting with and replace?

AllanC
4th May 2011, 20:09
Do I need to rejet if I put pod filters on?

Bonez
4th May 2011, 20:19
Do I need to rejet if I put pod filters on?As a general rule yes. I'll be running leaner.

Bonez
4th May 2011, 20:20
Since I've got this thing stripped, is there anything I should just go ahead and replace. Steering head bearing feels pretty notchy so will replace with tapered bearings but are there other things I should just not bother farting with and replace?Swing arm bushes.

AllanC
5th May 2011, 19:29
Thanks, thought I should probably rejet. Seems like you can get some pretty reasonably priced pod filters off EBay.

Good idea to do the swing arm bushes, might do the wheel bearings as well.

AllanB
5th May 2011, 21:54
HAve a look here for clamp on filters - US site and pricing of course. They are a excellent quality so you know they are actually doing their job, unlike many of the el cheapo ones.

http://www.unifilter.com/online%20catalog/universal.html


Re seat - no disrespect to Rider but you may find them pricey for your project. once you have sorted the pan run around a few local car upholstery outfits with the pan and a photo of what you want for a price.


looking good - just don't let it turn up on trademe in a year as a box of parts - 'was running good before I pulled it apart'!! :facepalm:

Bonez
6th May 2011, 07:26
looking good - just don't let it turn up on trademe in a year as a box of parts - 'was running good before I pulled it apart'!! :facepalm:Of course there's always those of us looking for a cheap source of spares :facepalm:

AllanC
6th May 2011, 11:08
Those filters look pretty good - are the foam ones okay to use on a bike (without putting the air box back on that is - was hoping to leave it off)? You're probably right about the seat - I'll contact a few local auto upholsterers.

Not planning to leave it in bits so my apologies in advance to all those looking for cheap parts!

AllanC
8th August 2011, 10:13
Just to show that I haven't been completely idle, have started repainting - some pics attached.244193244194244195

AllanC
24th August 2011, 14:30
Have started on the wheels now, from this
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to this (although still need to polish the rear wheel)
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AllanC
20th September 2011, 17:08
Have done a bit more painting (come up pretty well)
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and also started soda blasting
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pretty pleased with the way the carbs have come up, the engine needs more work!

cave weta
20th September 2011, 19:55
Have done a bit more painting (come up pretty well)
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and also started soda blasting
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pretty pleased with the way the carbs have come up, the engine needs more work!

Great work- keep it coming!

ac3_snow
23rd September 2011, 10:25
and also started soda blasting
pretty pleased with the way the carbs have come up, the engine needs more work!

did you do this yourself? I'm assuming you could buy soda pellets and use a sandblasting attachment? looks good!!

AllanC
23rd September 2011, 11:13
Just borrowed a mates soda blast gun (although they're pretty cheap to buy I guess, just an air gun with a hose attached), got a 25kg bag of baking soda from Bulk Barn in New Lynn ($45), stuck it all on the compressor and had a party. It can get pretty messy with all that powder floating around so it has to be done outside but the good thing is that baking soda is water soluble so you just have to hose down to clean up.

I think it's best to soda blast an engine/carbs rather than sand or bead blast. It doesn't produce quite as good a result but at least if the media gets inside any place you don't want it, it'll disolve whereas sand or glass beads would cause serious damage.

AllanC
27th September 2011, 17:50
I'm sure this'll sound like a stupid question but, here goes......

I am getting rid of the big airbox on the CB and just planning to run with a couple of pod filters. What should I do with the breather tube that runs from the rocker cover to the airbox? Is it okay just to run it down the side of the frame or something?

vifferman
27th September 2011, 18:36
The breather tube is designed to suck oil fumes and the like into the engine and burn them, so ideally you should have a catch can, or maybe one with some foam in it, so that in the event any actual oil gets blurted out it doesn't spray over you, the bike, or (heaven forbid!) your rear tyre. JMHO, of course...
Mebbe domeone who races will come along, but I have a feeling some sorta catching device for the oil breather is compulsory for this reason....?
Oh - and there aren't really many truly silly questions, just silly answers.

AllanC
27th September 2011, 18:49
Thanks mate

bogan
30th September 2011, 21:19
you can buy little filters that fit over the rocker cover breather tube, http://www.hordpower.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_27&products_id=27&zenid=6b09b81e7ef8e4c79e6fac8d93ddd4ad
I got one of those when I upgraded to uni-pods

AllanC
1st October 2011, 08:10
Excellent. Think I'll do that.

dogsnbikes
1st October 2011, 08:17
Good stuff Allen....good point there by bogan will remembr that for the 500

AllanC
3rd October 2011, 07:26
Have finally started putting things together instead of taking them apart - feels great:)247806, 248090

AllanC
4th October 2011, 16:50
Alright, I got some turn signals out of the US (see below)

http://www.caferace.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=C&Product_Code=CR61-66241&Category_Code=RRBT

They have two wires coming out of them which is what I'd expect, the wiring diagram for the bike shows two as well, however when I look at the existing turn signals on the bike they only have one wire. Does this mean I just have to earth a wire from the indicator?

dogsnbikes
4th October 2011, 18:02
Alright, I got some turn signals out of the US (see below)

http://www.caferace.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=C&Product_Code=CR61-66241&Category_Code=RRBT

They have two wires coming out of them which is what I'd expect, the wiring diagram for the bike shows two as well, however when I look at the existing turn signals on the bike they only have one wire. Does this mean I just have to earth a wire from the indicator?

Cheak your loom you may have extra earth plugs that you can plug straight into otherwise wire too frame

AllanC
4th October 2011, 21:03
Thanks mate. Will do, got the brakes back on tonight - man this is fun. Didn't think I'd enjoy it so much!

dogsnbikes
4th October 2011, 21:24
Warning!!! doing bikes up is rather addictive :shutup:

AllanC
4th October 2011, 22:11
Yeah, already starting to think about the next one.

AllanC
10th October 2011, 17:05
you can buy little filters that fit over the rocker cover breather tube, http://www.hordpower.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_27&products_id=27&zenid=6b09b81e7ef8e4c79e6fac8d93ddd4ad
I got one of those when I upgraded to uni-pods

Looks like you can get these at Supercheap as well
http://www.supercheapauto.co.nz/online-store/products/Calibre-Mini-Air-Breather-12mm-CALMAB12.aspx?pid=155192#Description

Only $13 so will give them a try

AllanC
10th October 2011, 18:30
Loom on, battery in, miracle of miracles all appears to be working!
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AllanC
25th October 2011, 07:36
What a mammoth task that was, will get somebody to give me a hand next time. Felt like I had to lift the thing about 10 times!
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The Pastor
28th October 2011, 13:44
hey thats really cool, keep up the good work and dont quit at 90% like i did :P

blackdog
28th October 2011, 14:02
Will be finished for christmas!

AllanC
28th October 2011, 20:21
Not planning on quitting (but will see what happens when I try to fire it up!) but am planning on being finished by Christmas.

AllanC
31st October 2011, 07:51
Carbs in, now need to sort out the exhaust, get some mufflers, paint and seat.
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bogan
2nd November 2011, 19:28
coming along nicely dude :niceone:

AllanC
2nd November 2011, 20:01
Thanks. Not quite up to the Cylonbros standard though. I'll comfort myself with the the idea that I'm a project virgin:) I am enjoying it though.

AllanC
12th November 2011, 16:57
Hooked up the new indicators to see if they work and ofcourse, they light up but no blink! Then think, bugger it, will put it all together anyway and worry about it later. Put it all together and decide to test them again and all of a sudden, they work:) go figure, must have just been a bad earth or something.

AllanC
14th November 2011, 08:03
One of those weekends when nothing seemed to go quite right. Got the new indicators / tail light hooked up and working fine but then all electrics failed, probably blew a fuse I guess. Got the header pipes all cleaned up and installed and then looked on the bench and realised I hadn't put the new gasket / seal rings in. Moving the bike around and looked at the front forks and see oil on them so guess the seals must have perished while I had them off the bike. Looks like next weekend will be spent fixing up the things I screwed up this weekend! Tail light looks good tho'
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bogan
15th November 2011, 20:48
Yeh you get those sort of days on the big jobs!

You got some cans or just going to run it loud?

AllanC
16th November 2011, 08:15
Was thinking about these,

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=422959616

They look kinda cool and should just drop straight on.

Paul in NZ
16th November 2011, 11:05
Was thinking about these,

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=422959616

They look kinda cool and should just drop straight on.

Thats about as much of a Dunstall replica as I am a replica of superman.... ie th parts are in roughly the same place but the level of functionality is very different.

AllanC
16th November 2011, 11:59
You mean you're not Superman. Damn!

AllanC
23rd November 2011, 20:06
Got the bar end mirrors on tonight, look cool. Will post a pic tomorrow when I get back to my computer. Pipes arrived today but fuck, when I quickly measured up my pipes the other day I got 40mm so ordered mufflers with a 40mm inlet. Tried to put them on and ofcourse my header pipes are actually about 41mm. Back to the drawing board:(

AllanC
24th November 2011, 07:26
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AllanC
27th November 2011, 12:38
Just fired her up. Sounds awesome (no cans on it yet). Looks like a couple of fuel leaks around the carbs tho. Put one of the mufflers on but the other header pipe has a slightly different diameter (less than a mm in it!) so wouldn't go on. Just need a seat and some paint now (plus fix the fuel leaks, the fork oil seals and try and figure out why I keep blowing fuses!)
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actungbaby
28th November 2011, 13:48
Dude nice bike i had one these brand new in 1981 silver one first roadbike

its in exellent condtion i do like these bikes brought a suzuki gs 450 twin was around same time damm that was my pretend duke
with 2 n 1 exhust nice got me down to christuch and back from pammy great

yes hope you and duaghter have fun please post progress reports



Hi all, I'm looking for some help. I've just picked up an '82 CB250N with the 400 motor in it already (will try to put a pic up). My daughter and I are doing it as a cafe project and are just in the process of pulling it apart. My question is, how to get the engine / case looking like new without stripping it down? It's just that the motor really purrs and I don't like messing with a good thing!

Also, what's the best way to deal with the frame - I'm assuming sand blast and powder coat?

actungbaby
28th November 2011, 14:08
Wow that engine looks sweet i think black on the engine cases look great .

What did you use to strip the old pain of the frame i tryed with xr 200 frame gave up took to sandblasters i tryed sandpaper paint striper
gave up in finish


What a mammoth task that was, will get somebody to give me a hand next time. Felt like I had to lift the thing about 10 times!
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AllanC
28th November 2011, 15:51
What did you use to strip the old pain of the frame i tryed with xr 200 frame gave up took to sandblasters i tryed sandpaper paint striper
gave up in finish

I cleaned all the old grease etc off it (using a cheap degreaser from Supercheap), then wire brushed it, anti rust primer and then just spray painted. Don't know how long it'll last but seems okay.

AllanC
2nd December 2011, 07:26
Anybody know how I go about replacing these spark plug covers - doesn't look like it comes off (don't want to force it unless I'm sure it actually comes apart). I don't have to replace the whole coil do I?
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And where would I get replacements?

unstuck
2nd December 2011, 09:41
Does it not just screw onto the lead?

AllanC
2nd December 2011, 14:22
Guess you're right - just me being a bit thick really. Have been down to the bike shop and bought some plug caps:)

AllanC
3rd December 2011, 18:32
Got the short sorted so now have brake lights. And the carbs seem to have stopped leaking all by themselves, go figure. Got the other muffler on thanks to the guys at Pit Stop who did their thing to it so it would fit. So just paint and seat to do but as they're going to be the most expensive parts they might have to wait till after Xmas I think. Bugger.

AllanC
7th December 2011, 10:59
Last pics until it's finished (ie: when I have some more money) with both cans on.
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Think I might bend that number plate down through the middle

AllanC
31st January 2012, 11:04
So, back into it again. I just got the seat back from DR Auto Trim in Morrinsville. They did a really excellent job of rebuilding the seat on the original pan, I'm really stoked with how it turned out (included some before and after pics below),
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and on the bike:
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Need to get onto painting it now, and still need to decide what I want to do about a rear guard.

dogsnbikes
31st January 2012, 11:10
Thats looking really nice Allan,:niceone:

AllanC
3rd February 2012, 16:58
Trying to sort out a speedo and am struggling to get my head around the ratio thing. I found this on eBay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310317623333&category=36796&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619 which is the sort of thing I'm after (as it also includes the neutral, high beam, indicator, oil lights) but it talks about a ration of 2:1:1 and the only thing I can find anywhere on the ratio for a CB250 / 400N is an estimate of 2240:60.

Does this make sense?

Also, is there any reason (WOF) why I can't use an mph speedo or do I have to worry about the fact that the mileage will go back to 0? Are there any local suppliers of this sort of thing (can't see anything on TradeMe)?

FJRider
3rd February 2012, 18:20
As I understand ... speedos must work for a WOF ... no rule says they must be accurate.

You however ... must know how fast you are travelling to prevent yourself from exceeding the posted speed limits.

AllanC
3rd February 2012, 19:39
Found a post somewhere that says a 2:1 ratio is for 19" wheels ( which mine is) and a 2244:60 is for 16" wheels?

Also found the same speedo in Australia that's in kph but it's more expensive. Apparently the lights are all LED so don't know if that's a problem.

AllanC
3rd April 2012, 08:29
Finally got the tank etc back from painting :woohoo: Now I just need to get some decals on it (thinking a stripe down the middle of the tank and front guard along woth a Honda wing). Really pleased with how it's come out - has a slight pearl to it.

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AllanC
6th April 2012, 17:10
Have put it back together, now if only I could get it to run. Well, I did have it running but then it just stopped so buggered if I know what's going on. Suspect with different pipes and pod filters the carbies probably need some work (not a strength of mine!). Anyway, some pics attached:

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I'm liking it. Still trying to decide if I want a stripe going through the tank and front guard and still want to change the gauges. The pics don't really do the paint justice, the pearl looks great in the sunlight :)

Latte
6th April 2012, 18:16
Looks great, i'm jealous.

AllanC
6th April 2012, 19:24
Still got to get it going tho!

nzspokes
6th April 2012, 20:28
Found a post somewhere that says a 2:1 ratio is for 19" wheels ( which mine is) and a 2244:60 is for 16" wheels?

Also found the same speedo in Australia that's in kph but it's more expensive. Apparently the lights are all LED so don't know if that's a problem.

Robinson instruments in Onehunga will calibrate your speedo to whatever you want.

Mint bike.

AllanC
6th April 2012, 23:48
Robinson instruments in Onehunga will calibrate your speedo to whatever you want.

Mint bike.

Thanks mate. I'll contact them.

ducatilover
7th April 2012, 00:15
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_c2iD4cxriME/TIbBVVxPdiI/AAAAAAAAAKI/TdKPvvdOMuw/s400/bravado_little_britain_want_that_one_red-white.jpg Bloody awesome build mate! Much jealous!

nzspokes
7th April 2012, 06:14
Have put it back together, now if only I could get it to run. Well, I did have it running but then it just stopped so buggered if I know what's going on. Suspect with different pipes and pod filters the carbies probably need some work (not a strength of mine!).

It wont be the jetting stopping it from running. It will still run, but maybe badly. I did pods on my little Honda and ended up going up 2 main jet sizes and now it goes like a cut cat compared to what it used to do. I would check spark first, my guess is a plug has fallen off that youve not noticed. If your in Aucks I can pop round and have a look if you want, I know these little hondas fairly well now.

Im also about to start a similar project soon.

Drew
7th April 2012, 08:22
Didn't read all the thread, just went through looking at the photos. If you didn't clean the carbs before you put them in, I reckon that'll be the problem as to not running, or starting then shitting itself rather.

Clean them, and chuck new plugs in. Ensure there is a fuel filter in the line too.

Conquiztador
7th April 2012, 09:32
What a mammoth task that was, will get somebody to give me a hand next time. Felt like I had to lift the thing about 10 times!
I have a trick I would normally charge for...;) But as you have no use for it anymore: To get a motor in a frame I put an old blanket on the lawn (nice and soft, no damage), then I drop the bike on it's side on the blanket. Then I drop the motor as close I can get it. Now the only thing you have to do is jiggle it all around (I normally find that it is easier to move the frame than the motor). A couple of bolts in and you can stand her up.

And brilliant work there!

nzspokes
7th April 2012, 14:10
I have a trick I would normally charge for...;) But as you have no use for it anymore: To get a motor in a frame I put an old blanket on the lawn (nice and soft, no damage), then I drop the bike on it's side on the blanket. Then I drop the motor as close I can get it. Now the only thing you have to do is jiggle it all around (I normally find that it is easier to move the frame than the motor). A couple of bolts in and you can stand her up.

And brilliant work there!

:facepalm: I spent ages trying to get my XR200 motor back in. And I could have just laid it down.


Brilliant tip.:woohoo:

AllanC
7th April 2012, 15:02
[QUOTE=Conquiztador;1130298084]I have a trick I would normally charge for...;) But as you have no use for it anymore: To get a motor in a frame I put an old blanket on the lawn (nice and soft, no damage), then I drop the bike on it's side on the blanket. Then I drop the motor as close I can get it. Now the only thing you have to do is jiggle it all around (I normally find that it is easier to move the frame than the motor). A couple of bolts in and you can stand her up.

Good tip, thanks. Mind you, if you'd told me a few months ago ............

AllanC
7th April 2012, 15:19
It wont be the jetting stopping it from running. It will still run, but maybe badly. I did pods on my little Honda and ended up going up 2 main jet sizes and now it goes like a cut cat compared to what it used to do. I would check spark first, my guess is a plug has fallen off that youve not noticed. If your in Aucks I can pop round and have a look if you want, I know these little hondas fairly well now.

Im also about to start a similar project soon.

Thanks for the offer mate, a bit of pride involved so I'll see how I go. Swapped the plugs out and no difference. Funny though, when I fired it up with a plug out I didn't get a spark in the plug but when I held it close to the casing I got a spark both to the case and in the plug. It should just spark when it's out shouldn't it?

I put new plug caps on a while ago and haven't really tried running it since then. Just wondering if it's something to do with the caps?

AllanC
7th April 2012, 15:38
And yes, that is my wife mowing the front lawn in the background while I'm messing with and taking pics of the bike. I'm a lucky man:)

nzspokes
7th April 2012, 18:39
Thanks for the offer mate, a bit of pride involved so I'll see how I go. Swapped the plugs out and no difference. Funny though, when I fired it up with a plug out I didn't get a spark in the plug but when I held it close to the casing I got a spark both to the case and in the plug. It should just spark when it's out shouldn't it?

I put new plug caps on a while ago and haven't really tried running it since then. Just wondering if it's something to do with the caps?

Lean the plug to the case then turn it over. It may spark to the case, thats fine as long as theres spark there. I would be looking at the carb for a blockage.

ducatilover
7th April 2012, 19:43
Thanks for the offer mate, a bit of pride involved so I'll see how I go. Swapped the plugs out and no difference. Funny though, when I fired it up with a plug out I didn't get a spark in the plug but when I held it close to the casing I got a spark both to the case and in the plug. It should just spark when it's out shouldn't it?

I put new plug caps on a while ago and haven't really tried running it since then. Just wondering if it's something to do with the caps?

You have to have it earthed to spark.

I vote, clean carbs, a few drops of petrol down the intake ports and make sure your clearances are happy (if you haven't already)

AllanC
7th April 2012, 20:41
Yeah my 20 year old daughter just told me the plug has to be earthed as well (engineering student) so now I feel suitably thick:facepalm:

So you guys must be right and time to clean the carbs. Think I'll check the fuel tap on the tank as well. Maybe he got something blocking it when he masked it off for painting.

AllanC
29th April 2012, 00:04
Took it for its first ride today ! Runs like a dream :)

Latte
29th April 2012, 09:06
Took it for its first ride today ! Runs like a dream :)



Awesome, what ended up being the non start issue?

AllanC
29th April 2012, 13:53
Dirty carbs.

AllanC
1st August 2012, 10:34
I've had some stripes put on the tank and guard ....

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Also had a Honda Wing logo knocked up for either side of the tank but haven't had the nerve to put it on yet (afraid I'll bugger it up). Must just get on with it!

AllanC
4th March 2013, 08:30
Well, it's only taken 6 months but the Honda wing has finally been put on! Gotta say I really like it, kinda finishes it off!

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ducatilover
4th March 2013, 09:38
:headbang: very cool man, love it