So why aren't they?

[MSTRS]

Check the last paragraph. THAT is the message we want out there. Not this bullshit about how hi-viz will save us...
Rider was very lucky. He was on a 100kph road. I can only guess at how much speed he was able to scrub off before impact. His other option of avoidance wasn't good...this intersection is a mess of raised traffic islands.

[Taz]

No money in it.

[steve_t]

Good work Ray Wylie :niceone:

[red mermaid]

So bright colours doesn't increase visibility of vehicles?

Interesting theory, any proof to back it up?

[jazfender]

Car driver's pretty lucky not to be injured as well. That pic looks like she would have gotten a free retainer adjustment.

[MSTRS]

So bright colours doesn't increase visibility of vehicles?

Interesting theory, any proof to back it up?

Car wasn't a 'bright colour'...and the rider saw it just fine. There's no way he hit that door still doing 100kph...

A year or so back, TPTB in their infinite wisdom made headlight-always-on a legal requirement "because that will make bikes visible to other motorists".
That headlight was coming square-on to her driver's door AND SHE DIDN'T SEE IT.
The lesson is that (a huge number of) motorists just don't look. Your MORE ENLIGHTENED colleague can see that, and knows that is where the effort should be directed.

[jazfender]

That headlight was coming square-on to her driver's door AND SHE DIDN'T SEE IT. The lesson is that (a huge number of) motorists just don't look.

Do you think she didn't look at all or she misjudged the speed and tried to beat the bike?

[MSTRS]

Do you think she didn't look at all or she misjudged the speed and tried to beat the bike?

Well - there's seeing and seeing, eh? The article is all I 'know' of this incident - and we all know how the media get it wrong. My point in posting this was the cop's comment and how it isn't the message that is being pushed BUT SHOULD BE.

[red mermaid]

Where in the article does it say the headlight of the motorcycle was on, or off?

And it says the motorcyclist had all the correct safety gear...possibly to the officer this means he did have a fluro vest on.

You always assume too much to twist things round to your point of view.



Car wasn't a 'bright colour'...and the rider saw it just fine. There's no way he hit that door still doing 100kph...

A year or so back, TPTB in their infinite wisdom made headlight-always-on a legal requirement "because that will make bikes visible to other motorists".
That headlight was coming square-on to her driver's door AND SHE DIDN'T SEE IT.
The lesson is that (a huge number of) motorists just don't look. Your MORE ENLIGHTENED colleague can see that, and knows that is where the effort should be directed.

[Taz]

The correct safety gear by law is a helmet.

[Bonez]

To most folk, riders anyway, I'd imagine correct safety gear to would refer things such helmet, gloves, decent jacket, pants and sturdy boots. He does mention the rider suffered a possible sprained ankle. A hi vis vest isn't going to stop injuries from happening in cases like this. The driver and rider where damn lucky to come out relatively unscaved.

Driver and rider awareness is the answer.

Edit- Posted by someone who was t-boned riding colorfull full leathers( I know it is hard to imagine that), a large faired white and red bike with headlight on ;) Prefer black now for some strange reason. Maybe it's just the webble in me.

[creature]

this article has inspired CREATURE an L Plate rider that you can never learn enough to be a safe rider.

[Highlander]

this article has inspired CREATURE an L Plate rider that you can never learn enough to be a safe rider.

Way back when I first stared riding I was told "it doesn't matter if they didn't see you, if you saw them you should be able to avoid the incident" - granted it doesn't always apply but I suspect that is why this rider had already lost a lot of his speed.

The simple reality is that it doesn't matter how safe a rider you think you are, because you are only one of many factors that could leave you sliding down the road on your butt.

[slofox]

this article has inspired CREATURE an L Plate rider that you can never learn enough to be a safe rider.

But you CAN learn enough to make yourself a safER rider...

Never underestimate the degree of influence you can have on your own safety. Ask Katman, he'll tell ya...:innocent:

[Reckless]

Driver and rider awareness is the answer.

OH this is probably something they are going to waiste all our MSL "safety levy" dollars on! A driver awareness campaign that we shouldn't be paying for!' That should be out of normal funding like the drink drive campaigns etc!

Money collected from a tax nobody else pays to use the road.

Then they'll say look at all the wonderful things we spent your money on??? :facepalm:

[MSTRS]

Where in the article does it say the headlight of the motorcycle was on, or off?

It doesn't. It is reasonable to assume that a rider, who was reported to be wearing all the right safety gear, would not ignore using the headlight too.
I don't assume that, because he was riding a Harley, he was one of your knuckle-dragging mates.



And it says the motorcyclist had all the correct safety gear...possibly to the officer this means he did have a fluro vest on.

Perhaps he was wearing one. It really helped, eh?



You always assume too much to twist things round to your point of view.

And you always follow me around the forums, cherry picking posts of mine to quote so you can disagree. Maybe you believe you can make me look silly. I have no idea why you would do this, unless it's because I turned down your offer of a blowie, but it is obvious to many that the only one with egg on their face is you. As for what I think, I don't think it's egg...more likely to be what your boyfriend left.

[Okey Dokey]

OH this is probably something they are going to waiste all our MSL "safety levy" dollars on! A driver awareness campaign that we shouldn't be paying for!' That should be out of normal funding like the drink drive campaigns etc!

Money collected from a tax nobody else pays to use the road.

Then they'll say look at all the wonderful things we spent your money on??? :facepalm:

My thoughts exactly! I wish we would both be proven wrong...

[ynot slow]

Where in the article does it say the headlight of the motorcycle was on, or off?

And it says the motorcyclist had all the correct safety gear...possibly to the officer this means he did have a fluro vest on.

You always assume too much to twist things round to your point of view.

Have you ever ridden a modern bike,the bloody headlight is automatically on at ignition,many jappas from the mid 90's and euro bikes as well.Sure heaps of harley riders wear black,and only black for sure,but many (the born again 40yr and above)still don't have a death wish,I know personally 3 guys all 48plus who ride hogs and do everything possible to avoid crashes,have consideration for road users(no loud pipes).

And yep I have travelled this intersection frequently,amazing how many near misses happen,and between cars and trucks,the crucial thing is not "I didn't see them officer,more like I miss judged the distance" to me the "I didn't see the bike" is better than admitting they couldn't judge the distance and speed.

[Hitcher]

I note that Ulysses appears to have become the Aged Fluoro Riders Club.

If people want to wear these infernal things, good on them, as long as it remains an area of personal choice. My fear is that some regulator somewhere will, one day in a burst of enthusiasm, make the wearing of fluoro garb mandatory. I for one, hate pointless and ineffective laws.

Fluoro has become the norm in the construction industry together with a range of other more useful personal protective equipment (PPE). I suspect that it is used more as a uniform so that employers and the public know who is a paid employee.

There is absolutely no evidence anywhere that shows that the wearing of fluoro on its own makes any difference to accidents as a consequence of making its wearers more conspicuous.

The biggest danger of such gear is attitudinal: the people who wear it believe that they are more conspicuous. They're not. Car drivers who clean up bikers invariably do so because they claim they didn't see the person they lovingly killed or maimed prior to doing so. That is generally because they weren't looking or paying attention. Wearing flashing neon is unlikely to have made any difference in such circumstances.

Ride on the basis that car drivers can't see you and, if they can, that they want to kill you. That will see you riding in a much better space than wearing something shamefully coloured orange or lime.

[ynot slow]

Flouro-the placebo of thinking wearing it makes me invincible to all road users.
I detest the fact that someone will think if I am made to wear it I am safe,on the road I wear all the gear,don't need some poly telling me to be safe be seen,ffs I have light always(unless low beam blows)on at ignition,can't bypass it,and wearing a flouro vest at best will probably come open and fly off lol,another hazzard.

[BMWST?]

i think they do see us but the single headlight and small profile make speed judgement difficult.

[98tls]

So bright colours doesn't increase visibility of vehicles?

Interesting theory, any proof to back it up?

Any proof it does?If they cant see a headlight they wont notice the colour of your bike either.

[ynot slow]

i think they do see us but the single headlight and small profile make speed judgement difficult.

Same reason maybe people get hit by trains as well,nothing to do with in-attention.

[NZsarge]

Riding home today some silly little tart just about cleaned me up in a round-a-bout, just as well I saw that fact she didn't even look to see if anything was coming and just barreled on through, was only doing about 25-30kph and had plenty of time to stop mid interestion. :facepalm:

[jazfender]

My fear is that some regulator somewhere will, one day in a burst of enthusiasm, make the wearing of fluoro garb mandatory.

I think that encroaches too far on civil liberties for there not to be a serious backlash.

You could argue that pedestrians should all wear hi-vi gear, they're always getting hit because they're "unseen".

I personally don't even like that it's mandatory to wear helmets but cyclists have to and car drivers have to wear seatbelts so I guess it's even for now.

[98tls]

I think that encroaches too far on civil liberties for there not to be a serious backlash.


I personally don't even like that it's mandatory to wear helmets but cyclists have to and car drivers have to wear seatbelts so I guess it's even for now.

Put a helmet on give your mrs a hammer and get her to smack you across the head then remove helmet get her to do it again,simple really.

[FJRider]

this article has inspired CREATURE an L Plate rider that you can never learn enough to be a safe rider.

The REAL point is ... no matter how safe a rider you are ... there are enough dangerous riders/drivers out there to negate the safeness you may feel ...

Motorcycling is dangerous ...

[FJRider]

Any proof it does?If they cant see a headlight they wont notice the colour of your bike either.

OR see a high vis' vest ...

[jazfender]

Put a helmet on give your mrs a hammer and get her to smack you across the head then remove helmet get her to do it again,simple really.

Yup, but not the point.

Might just hammer the missus.

[Hitcher]

Same reason maybe people get hit by trains as well,nothing to do with in-attention.

Perhaps trains should also wear fluoro vests.

[FJRider]

Ride on the basis that car drivers can't see you and, if they can, that they want to kill you. That will see you riding in a much better space than wearing something shamefully coloured orange or lime.

There are a lot of car drivers that get away with doing silly things on the road often enough ... they think they always will(should)

[Hitcher]

they think they always will(should)

There's a good reason for that. It's because they do get away with things. Even if a motorist kills somebody, that doesn't automatically revoke their right to drive ever again. Drunk drivers are able to reoffend, even the three-strikes law doesn't apply to them. Why is that?

[Bonez]

Perhaps trains should also wear fluoro vests.Salmon would be quite becoming don't you think?

[FJRider]

There's a good reason for that. It's because they do get away with things. Even if a motorist kills somebody, that doesn't automatically revoke their right to drive ever again. Drunk drivers are able to reoffend, even the three-strikes law doesn't apply to them. Why is that?

The driving laws are only applicable to licenced drivers ... therefore unlicenced drivers are free to do as they choose ...

Whats the worst that you can do to them ... take their licence off them ... ???

Oh WAIT ... :whocares:

[Hitcher]

Whats the worst that you can do to them ... take their licence off them ... ???

Apparently, and rarely permanently. For goodness sake, they may need to get themselves to work or drop the kids at school.

[Zamiam]

FFS - if I'm heading towards you on my Harley about all you will see is the front of the bike, my headlight and my helmet. You sure as hell won't be able to pick the co our of my bike or see much of me even if I'm wearing fluros.

[98tls]

Motorcycling is dangerous ... :facepalm:Ffs you cant say that on here the home of "mentors and experts".For all the mentors and experts ive seen nothing to show me that surviving to an oldish age on 2 wheels has nothing to do with either, ie be lucky enough to live through a few good offs (no matter whos fault) and chances are you will learn and live.Far to simple it seems for many to understand.

[98tls]

FFS - if I'm heading towards you on my Harley about all you will see is the front of the bike, my headlight and my helmet. You sure as hell won't be able to pick the co our of my bike or see much of me even if I'm wearing fluros.

Yea but lets be realistic all things considered there will be plenty of time to get out of your way eh.:shutup::innocent:

[FJRider]

For all the mentors and experts ive seen nothing to show me that surviving to an oldish age on 2 wheels ...

Stop being so bloody modest ... :lol:

[98tls]

Stop being so bloody modest ... :lol: Yea sorry mate:gob:Must add there are exceptions,followed a cock on a V-rod today through inland route 72,bars so high on the thing it was laughable,was in the ute so just tucked in behind it and watched awhile:facepalm::facepalm:fucking ridiculous.He was keeping pace with some fat dude on a Sporty,actually it might have been a Fatboy but he was so fat he made the Fatboy look like a Sporty:blink:there was only so much mirth my stomach could take so passed them and moved on,how someone hasnt run them over out of frustration beyonds me.

[FJRider]

Yea sorry mate:gob:Must add there are exceptions,followed a cock on a V-rod today through inland route 72,bars so high on the thing it was laughable

I've seen that bike in Methven ... had a little laugh myself ... I believe it's Ashvegas based ...

[98tls]

I've seen that bike in Methven ... had a little laugh myself ... I believe it's Ashvegas based ...

No idea where its based mate,Black V-rod/night rod or whatever there called,ignorant cunts the pair of them anyway,every time the road straightened out ape boy would take off ahead of fat boy then come the smell of a kink in the road on with the pics:violin:Even the Mrs was having a laugh.:facepalm:She just said "if we didnt have to be home by a certain time it might have been fun to just kick back and follow the pair of them awhile".

[Howie]

Perhaps trains should also wear fluoro vests.

Gee and people say car drivers aren't observant, i think you'll find 99% of trains in NZ the loco is painted bright yellow on the front, and back as are most of the passenger units. They also have Modulated Lights at running board height that flash when the horn is activated.

[98tls]

Gee and people say car drivers aren't observant, i think you'll find 99% of trains in NZ the loco is painted bright yellow on the front, and back as are most of the passenger units. They also have Modulated Lights at running board height that flash when the horn is activated.

Go figure eh,then again down here we dont ride along train tracks so the chances of meeting one head on are slight.Seems you do so much respect on your observational skills.ride safe.

[Howie]

Go figure eh,then again down here we dont ride along train tracks so the chances of meeting one head on are slight.Seems you do so much respect on your observational skills.ride safe.

Well I have been known to sit in the cab of one on the odd occasion.

[FJRider]

Perhaps trains should also wear fluoro vests.

People treat crossing Railway lines ...as they do crossing footpaths ... just trains are bigger ...

[98tls]

People treat crossing Railway lines ...as they do crossing footpaths ... just trains are bigger ...

Brother in laws ex did exactly that a few kms North of here a few years back,5 dead,messy to say the least.In typical Kiwi fashion rather than have it be a lesson they blocked off the crossing.:facepalm:

[Zamiam]

Yea but lets be realistic all things considered there will be plenty of time to get out of your way eh.:shutup::innocent:

PML - good point. I'd only be doing 5mph but a Harley is a bit like a super tanker and takes a long time to change direction or stop

[Maha]

So bright colours doesn't increase visibility of vehicles?

Interesting theory, any proof to back it up?

Yes..
I wouldn't know a Ice-Cream van was in the street until the music plays...
Maybe all bikes need a 'Play Music' button/mod/option?

[MSTRS]

Maybe all bikes need a 'Play Music' button/mod/option?

They do. It's the little button on the right hand controls...

[Grahameeboy]

Perhaps trains should also wear fluoro vests.

I THINK YOU SHOULD BE INFRACTED FOR BEING SILLY..:yes:

[Grahameeboy]

People treat crossing Railway lines ...as they do crossing footpaths ... just trains are bigger ...

THIS IS ABOUT BIKE SPOTTING NOT "TRAIN SPOTTING":angry:

[wingnutt]

Do you think she didn't look at all or she misjudged the speed and tried to beat the bike?

probably a bit of both I would think, Hawkes bay drivers are notorious for underestimating speed and jumping out too late.

Also, links road, and meeanee quay intersections are really badly designed, and bloody dangerous. they should have overpasses, you have drivers crossing over at slow speeds with oncoming traffic, traveling at 100kph plus.

I am always very very wary, when I approach these intersections.

[FJRider]

They do. It's the little button on the right hand controls...

Yep ... the red one .. :yes:

[Maha]

They do. It's the little button on the right hand controls...

....and finding the right tune to play is not that difficult either...

[MSTRS]

....and finding the right tune to play is not that difficult either...

Settle on the instrument of choice. Then commence to play that one-note song. :yes:

[Grahameeboy]

Settle on the instrument of choice. Then commence to play that one-note song. :yes:

SAME OLD RECORD THEN :gob:

[MSTRS]

probably a bit of both I would think, Hawkes bay drivers are notorious for underestimating speed and jumping out too late.

Also, links road, and meeanee quay intersections are really badly designed, and bloody dangerous. they should have overpasses, you have drivers crossing over at slow speeds with oncoming traffic, traveling at 100kph plus.

I am always very very wary, when I approach these intersections.

Truth to tell, they're no different to any T intersection where the through road is 100kph. It's just the amount of traffic that the side road disgorges that increases the danger.

[MSTRS]

SAME OLD RECORD THEN :gob:

The melody is simple...the music is endlessly fascinating.

[Grahameeboy]

the melody is simple...the music is endlessly fascinating.

hold me back...lol

[swbarnett]

They do. It's the little button on the right hand controls...
Huh? Mine's on the left.

[MSTRS]

Huh? Mine's on the left.

Not talking about the horn...

[swbarnett]

Not talking about the horn...
Indeed. This occurred to me just after posting... :doh:


Note to self - engage brain before putting keyboard in to gear...

[baptist]

My thoughts exactly! I wish we would both be proven wrong...

Doubt you will :angry:


Apparently, and rarely permanently. For goodness sake, they may need to get themselves to work or drop the kids at school.

Mate that has always bugged me, if you do stupid stuff and your licence gets taken off you then how come you can get it back before the ban is completed, at the end of the day take ownership and accept that if you drive like an ass you should not be on the road, you should not be able to whinge:crybaby: to the courts and get it back early (with restrictions or not):weird:.

[superman]

Doubt you will :angry:



Mate that has always bugged me, if you do stupid stuff and your licence gets taken off you then how come you can get it back before the ban is completed, at the end of the day take ownership and accept that if you drive like an ass you should not be on the road, you should not be able to whinge:crybaby: to the courts and get it back early (with restrictions or not):weird:.

Speaking of losing your license what are the restrictions on riding a horse through town these days?

[baptist]

Speaking of losing your license what are the restrictions on riding a horse through town these days?

Think you have to clean up after yourself, something about emission standards:innocent: