Stranger moving your bike?

[Owl]

Not having a moan as such, but just curious how other KB'ers feel about a complete stranger moving their bike?

Partner and I had our bikes parked at Manfeild today, in a position that wasn't in anyone's way, or blocked in etc. However after we'd parked, some guy decided to park his car behind us with a trailer in tow. This guy then decided he wanted to take off, so moved both our bikes (steering locked) in order to drive straight through without reversing.

We never witnessed it, but while back at our bikes, the same guy turns up and parks in exactly the same spot. How do I know?............cause I asked him:angry:. Yes he said, he moved our bikes because he couldn't get out. I asked him WTF gave him the right to move someones bike or even touch it. It's not like he had to park there!

Anyway, I didn't see the point in two of us ranting at once, so I let the Missus hone him out. She was more angry than me after all.:angry2:

What would he have done if it were a car we'd parked? Parked elsewhere I bet!

What if he'd dropped one of the bikes?:facepalm:

What happened to leaving other people's shit alone without permission?

Am I being a Nana?:blink:

[sil3nt]

Should have asked him to leave the handbrake off so you can move his car while you get your bikes out.

Unless your bike is parked in some stupid place blocking people nobody should be touching it.

[slofox]

Burn 'im...bastard! :angry:

[quazimoto]

no your not being a nana, someone touching your bike is like hes touching your missus, you have every right to be upset and want to cause him some harm. unless ofcourse, your parked somewhere you shouldnt be.

[Owl]

Unless your bike is parked in some stupid place blocking people nobody should be touching it.

That's what I reckon and if he'd been parked there when we arrived, we would have parked elsewhere.

[george formby]

I would be ropable! Nay. Apoplectic! :yes: Some lazy tool moving a bike with the steering lock on is a small step from disaster.

By the same logic you could shunt him out the way with yer landcruiser.

Cock!

[Blackshear]

Having trouble drawing the layout in my head, but the only time someone should move your bike without you there is if it's in front of a door or fire hydrant.

Your own fault if you park it somewhere stupid, IMO.

Had some cunt awhile ago test that $1 dick polish on my bike without me even there, saw what was happening and BY CRIKEY I scared the useless twat.
Don't touch my babies :sunny:

[george formby]

Having trouble drawing the layout in my head, but the only time someone should move your bike without you there is if it's in front of a door or fire hydrant.

Your own fault if you park it somewhere stupid, IMO.

Had some cunt awhile ago test that $1 dick polish on my bike without me even there, saw what was happening and BY CRIKEY I scared the useless twat.
Don't touch my babies :sunny:

Crivens! Was it polish for your dick or polish applied with a dick?

[Blackshear]

Crivens! Was it polish for your dick or polish applied with a dick?

It was that multi-purpose polish. I assume it's so you can polish your dick while you're polishing with your dick.
Quite nifty once I you think about it...

[KiWiP]

Well if you had jumped into his wagon, started it up and moved because it wasn't convenient for you, would he have accepted that as reasonable? Well no. So his action was reprehensible and your reaction reasonable.

[tigertim20]

Not having a moan as such, but just curious how other KB'ers feel about a complete stranger moving their bike?

Am I being a Nana?:blink:

no you arent being a nana. If I catch someone moving my bike, theyre going to have one angry motherfucker to deal with.
As far as Im concerned, its exactly the same as a starnger getting into your car, and moving it. exactly the same.
Difference being, bikes can easily sustain thoasands of dollars worth of damage if moved wrongly, e.g. they move it and put it down, but they dont check the stand and it topples over, or in a windy city, putting it somewhere the wind can catch it, or putting it the wrong way round on a slope etc etc etc.

No, youre not being a nana. id have ripped seven shades of shit out of the guy, and made it REAL clear what the consequences are for moving my bike

[DMNTD]

Unless your bike is parked in some stupid place blocking people nobody should be touching it.

What he said

[george formby]

It was that multi-purpose polish. I assume it's so you can polish your dick while you're polishing with your dick.
Quite nifty once I you think about it...

Just the thing for getting fly's off your helmet then:facepalm:

Right, I'll be off then.

[Okey Dokey]

No you are not being a nana. He was in the wrong and should not have touched your bikes.

[MadDuck]

....curious how other KB'ers feel about a complete stranger moving their bike?

I would be pretty unhappy. Said bloke that moved my bike (without my permission) would see the wrath of a short pissed off woman!

[Geeen]

:Oi:Fark No!!! NO-ONE moves my bike but me! Old man had a similar thing happen to him at Pukekohe once, had some Monkey put his kids on Dads Fraser to take some cute photos of kids and cool car:angry:. It only took Dad two years to build from scratch, so the Monkey got an earfull from a pissed off 6'2 petrolhead.

[Shadowjack]

Nope - not over-reacting.
It's simple respect.
I've had to educate my nephew about such things, along the lines that I'm having words with him - other folks may simply smack him one.

[ynot slow]

If at a normal motor event not involving bikes,a talk about not shifting my belongings might be ok,but ffs it was a trackday involving bikes,he outa known better,and most guys listen to a woman(don't they/we)rather than a rampant pissed male.

[steve_t]

Imagine if you had a disc lock on that he didn't see and in moving it, it caused damage to your caliper, or fairing, or it hit the caliper and caused the bike to drop on its side :mad: Basically, don't touch other people's stuff without their permission. A lot of people don't seem to understand that just because they don't care about their belongings (generally cos they're crappy), it doesn't mean that other don't care about theirs

[DrunkenMistake]

Uhh fuck that, My partners step dad moved my bike without asking me if he could, it set me through the roof, I told him I was gonna drop him (doesnt help that I dont like the dick) But if it was some random in town and I caught them doing it, I would be up for assault chargers, my initial reaction would be only one thing "That cunts trying to steal my bike"

[hellokitty]

He is lucky he didn't get a smack in the head = maybe next time he will :yes: if he touches the wrong persons bike.
I had kids sitting in a convertible car I once had (to have photos taken) and I was furious!!!!!!

[AllanB]

Not acceptable at all. Period.

If you ask me he was lucky - a lot of people would have rearranged his face after doing that.

Sounds like a homo who can't back a trailer.

I wonder what the movers would have done if they had dropped one of your bikes.

[Spearfish]

at least 10 characters.

[short-circuit]

Wouldn't even have entered into discussion - just would've lamped the cunt

[Owl]

Said bloke that moved my bike (without my permission) would see the wrath of a short pissed off woman!

Yep, wrath of a short pissed off woman was about it too:laugh:


If at a normal motor event not involving bikes,a talk about not shifting my belongings might be ok,but ffs it was a trackday involving bikes,he outa known better,and most guys listen to a woman(don't they/we)rather than a rampant pissed male.

Yes and the fact that he would've been pushing 50, he should know better!


Imagine if you had a disc lock on that he didn't see and in moving it, it caused damage to your caliper, or fairing, or it hit the caliper and caused the bike to drop on its side :mad:

That had crossed my mind and I'm glad there wasn't. In saying that, the Bonneville had the helmet locked to the handlebars, which would make it somewhat more awkward to move.:blink:


He is lucky he didn't get a smack in the head = maybe next time he will :yes: if he touches the wrong persons bike.
I had kids sitting in a convertible car I once had (to have photos taken) and I was furious!!!!!!

While hot-headed at times, I'm a little past the violent stage.

I have had kids sitting on my bike with lollie hands, courtesy of their dad (workmate). That sure as hell won't happen again! Sticky grips, non-reflective mirrors and hand prints everywhere. Didn't realise the little fuckers had so many fingers:shit:


I wonder what the movers would have done if they had dropped one of your bikes.

I wonder too?:facepalm:

[unstuck]

You just dont fuck with other peoples bikes. Had a PRICK start my bike and rev the shit out of it cause he thought i wasnt around.Learnt 2 things that day,1/ jobs are hard to find after you have been done for smacking a workmate 2/ dont leave the keys in it, even if it is a secure yard.:innocent:

[Latte]

Had someone at the pub (ATNR) jump on my bike in front of his mates, unfortunately I didn't see it, but one of the other ATNR guys did. Gave him clear, conscise instructions to leave it alone :)

Thought he was a little over the top at 1st, but when he said it was my bike they were on I quickly changed my tune.

[onearmedbandit]

What if it had been Angelina Jolie?

[shafty]

Several great replies already - Boy there are some Dickheads about. Even friends looking at your new/new to them bike "patting" the tank with a ring on, "Nice bike"etc - I pre warn people now,who cares if they think I'm OTT, beats a scratch.

Owl, how did the Guy react? Hopefully he thought about bit later at least.....

As Allan said, sounds like he couldn't reverse a trailer, Tosser.

What happened to those stickers you could get:

Ïf you value your life as much as I value my bike, Don't fuck with it"

[MadDuck]

What if it had been Angelina Jolie?

I would slap the cow!

[sunhuntin]

What if it had been Angelina Jolie?

considering how many sticky-fingered kids shes got, then she deserves all she gets. :angry: i think my reaction would be similar to madduck. :yes:

[DrunkenMistake]

What if it had been Angelina Jolie?

The bike was Angelina Jolie? Or the person?.. Either way I would ride it like there was no tomorrow ;)

[AllanB]

What if it had been Angelina Jolie?

Not a chance - her hubby has a large collection of bikes - she'll know by now not to touch them!
He probably still has that rubber glove from 'fight club' to teach her a lesson when required. :yes:

[Owl]

What if it had been Angelina Jolie?

Missus may have given her even fatter lips?


Owl, how did the Guy react? Hopefully he thought about bit later at least.....

He apologised to the missus for offending her. He didn't offend anyone, merely fucked us off.


As Allan said, sounds like he couldn't reverse a trailer, Tosser.

Would've been hard to get out of, as it was very tight to get into. He had to squeeze out the drivers door. The lazy prick could've parked 30 metres away safely, as parks weren't scarce.:facepalm:

[ital916]

I remember I was out the back of a motorcycle shop I worked at having a smoke with my partner when some plonker comes along and starts playing with my bike and hers. He sits on mine, bounces up and down, plays with levers, even gives the stand a kick etc. Same with hers.

I told him not to touch our bikes, very politely. He gets all agro, "I'm a customer, I was having a look, I have the right to look". Well I told him to shove it up his arse and fuck off if he is going to play with any of the other customers bikes or staff bikes.

Funny how they are all tough until you threaten to get the plod to remove them from the property.

So no, nobody should be touching your stuff.

[White trash]

Fucks sake. What a bunch of homos.

So a biker, needs to move his car and trailer but can't get out and so carefully moves a couple of bikes a few feet without damaging them, and moves his car, then admits to it. So he's a cunt?

Motherfucker should have run straight over the top of them, then at least you could all bleat about the careless cage driver with no respect that knocked over your precious bikes.

THEY'RE MOTORBIKES, PIECES OF STEEL ON WHEELS THAT CAN BE MOVED WITHOUT CONTRACTING THE LEPROSY! Grow the fuck up people.

[oneofsix]

Fucks sake. What a bunch of homos.

So a biker, needs to move his car and trailer but can't get out and so carefully moves a couple of bikes a few feet without damaging them, and moves his car, then admits to it. So he's a cunt?

Motherfucker should have run straight over the top of them, then at least you could all bleat about the careless cage driver with no respect that knocked over your precious bikes.

THEY'RE MOTORBIKES, PIECES OF STEEL ON WHEELS THAT CAN BE MOVED WITHOUT CONTRACTING THE LEPROSY! Grow the fuck up people.

Here's one for you to consider. People double parking their car but leaving their handbrakes off so the correctly parked driver can push the double parked vehicle clear to get out.
Is having your bike moved preferred to having your bike scratched?

[White trash]

Is having your bike moved preferred to having your bike scratched?

Yes. So how the fuck is that different from what I said?

[sil3nt]

If he could get in then he could get out.

[White trash]

If he could get in then he could get out.

He did. He just moved a couple of bikes to acheive getting out. Big woop.

[DrunkenMistake]

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Calm down there keyboard warrior before you break a finger.

[FlangMasterJ]

I don't know. If there was no sign of damage then I probably wouldn't be all that fussed.

I had someone push the starter button on my old KTM motard. Being an enduro convert it had no ignition key or switch so the thing would start no matter what. I walked out of a shop to find it had moved a metre from where I had parked it with the cable lock tangled around the rear sprocket. Now that pissed me off.

[Indiana_Jones]

I leave the steering lock off if I park in the way of other bikers, incase they need to get out. I'd rather it moved then to be scratched I guess.

On the other hand I wouldn't park my bike in that sort of situation with cunt cage drivers around.

So if the OPs bike wasn't in the way and the bikes didn't have to be moved then yes, I'd be pissed too.

-Indy

[Owl]

So a biker, needs to move his car and trailer but can't get out and so carefully moves a couple of bikes a few feet without damaging them, and moves his car, then admits to it. So he's a cunt?

Motherfucker should have run straight over the top of them, then at least you could all bleat about the careless cage driver with no respect that knocked over your precious bikes.

Ouch Jimmy!

Perhaps he was careful moving the bikes, as there wasn't any damage. Yes, he also admitted to it!

"Cunt"? Maybe a bit harsh, but certainly an "ignorant prick"! Think about it Jimmy.......where do you think they were moved with the steering locked? Not far, so they now blocked the vehicle (with trailer) parked next to him:facepalm:. That's ok though, as long as he was alright eh?:angry:


I leave the steering lock off if I park in the way of other bikers, incase they need to get out. I'd rather it moved then to be scratched I guess.

On the other hand I wouldn't park my bike in that sort of situation with cunt cage drivers around.

So if the OPs bike wasn't in the way and the bikes didn't have to be moved then yes, I'd be pissed too.

-Indy

Just to clarify Indy, our bikes weren't in anyones way when we parked. Your post has given me food for thought though, so cheers.:yes:

[White trash]

Ouch Jimmy!

Perhaps he was careful moving the bikes, as there wasn't any damage. Yes, he also admitted to it!

"Cunt"? Maybe a bit harsh, but certainly an "ignorant prick"! Think about it Jimmy.......where do you think they were moved with the steering locked? Not far, so they now blocked the vehicle (with trailer) parked next to him:facepalm:. That's ok though, as long as he was alright eh?:angry:

Lol, you know me big fella. Just stirring the pot as usual.

[bsasuper]

I always use a disc lock, damage would have been done.I always park my vehicles in a position so I can get out, if I had a trailer id park to get out without having to reverse if there were a lot of vehicles close by.Some people cant think ahead or reverse with a trailer or respect other peoples property.

[White trash]

considering how many sticky-fingered kids shes got, then she deserves all she gets. :angry: i think my reaction would be similar to madduck. :yes:

Angelina can give me sticky fingers anytime.............

[PrincessBandit]

Well if you had jumped into his wagon, started it up and moved because it wasn't convenient for you, would he have accepted that as reasonable? Well no. So his action was reprehensible and your reaction reasonable.

Exactly. Why is it that some people think that simply because they haven't "gotten into your vehicle" to move it that their actions are ok? I bet he'd have ranted and raved at you if you'd gotten in his car to shift it.
I reckon he just felt that since he wasn't invading the internal space of a vehicle he was within his rights to do so. I'd have let him have it with both guns blazing. Simply because he didn't want to have to back out???? What a nerve!!!

[ynot slow]

If he can't reverse a trailer DON'T put it on behind a car,I'm no expert at backing a trailer,but I will try,and when I need to back with a trailer I endeavour to park with ample space.That may mean walking an extra 50mts,and as Al said a park was near by,and heaps of them.

And ever been to speedway at closing time,try backing a trailer from their parks,usually close to each vehicle,is fun for sure(and yep I had to back the stockcar trailer).

[Owl]

and as Al said

Well there goes my anonymity Tony:shit:

:laugh:

[ynot slow]

Well there goes my anonymity Tony:shit:

:laugh:

What you're Bruce aren't you,whose this Tony guy.

[Smifffy]

How would he have liked it if you had uncoupled the trailer from his car and shifted that? No violation of internal space, no brakes required to be released etc.

Real crappy situation to find yourself in really. Once the deed has been done it would be hard to feel good about getting upset about it. If I had been there to see him moving my bikes, I would probably have told him to leave them alone, but then moved them myself in case he did damage them trying to get out, all the while giving him lip about his crappy parking choices.

[awayatc]

Move my bike?

Be interesting to see somebody try....

[robo555]

I remember I was out the back of a motorcycle shop I worked at having a smoke with my partner when some plonker comes along and starts playing with my bike and hers. He sits on mine, bounces up and down, plays with levers, even gives the stand a kick etc. Same with hers.

I told him not to touch our bikes, very politely. He gets all agro, "I'm a customer, I was having a look, I have the right to look". Well I told him to shove it up his arse and fuck off if he is going to play with any of the other customers bikes or staff bikes.

Funny how they are all tough until you threaten to get the plod to remove them from the property.

So no, nobody should be touching your stuff.

Maybe it was not obvious to him which bikes are for sale and which bikes are staff's?

[MarkH]

Unless your bike is parked in some stupid place blocking people nobody should be touching it.

^This!

I suppose as long as no damage was done I wouldn't be angry, but still a bit annoyed and someone touching my stuff if there wasn't a good reason to.


He is lucky he didn't get a smack in the head = maybe next time he will :yes: if he touches the wrong persons bike.
I had kids sitting in a convertible car I once had (to have photos taken) and I was furious!!!!!!

What the fuck? Some people have no fuckin' idea of what is & what isn't appropriate!

[superman]

I park my bike in plain view when I'm at work so I know exactly what people are doing near her.

Have let someone put there 3 year old boy who was so excited by the machine up on the seat, he was so thrilled. But if anyone touches her without my permission they will get a bloody earful! Common courtesy, most people are quite good. It's them bloody youths! Man I'm starting to sound like my father. :shutup:

[Big Dave]

Noel, stop moving Owl's bike.

[Little Miss Trouble]

Noel, stop moving Owl's bike.

Can't have been Noel, he can back a trailer with his eyes shut!

[thepom]

White trash......

" Fucks sake. What a bunch of homos.


So a biker, needs to move his car and trailer but can't get out and so carefully moves a couple of bikes a few feet without damaging them, and moves his car, then admits to it. So he's a cunt?

Motherfucker should have run straight over the top of them, then at least you could all bleat about the careless cage driver with no respect that knocked over your precious bikes.

THEY'RE MOTORBIKES, PIECES OF STEEL ON WHEELS THAT CAN BE MOVED WITHOUT CONTRACTING THE LEPROSY! Grow the fuck up people"

A bit more sober today?...

[jazfender]

I don't see the foul in moving a bike if it doesn't cause any damage, is put back and is for a good reason.

This might come as a shock but not everyone wants to fuck you over.

[Pegasus]

I park my bike in plain view when I'm at work so I know exactly what people are doing near her.


Thats the thing that annoyed me most, we had parked the bikes (both within 1 empty car park, out of everyones way) where we could see them.... till the guy parked his car & trailer in the park behind them. Had he stood at his car door, and called out in a normal voice, if anyone knew who owned them and if they could move them, we were close enough so would have heard him, and wouldn't have had a problem with moving them for him at all.

But no, the first I heard was him starting his car, and I saw him moving forward instead of backing. He was pretty quiet about moving them. Almost like he knew he was doing something wrong.

[Smifffy]

I don't see the foul in moving a bike if it doesn't cause any damage, is put back and is for a good reason.

This might come as a shock but not everyone wants to fuck you over.

As said before, it's common courtesy. Don't touch shit that don't belong to you without permission. I don't see what's so difficult about that concept.

[jazfender]

As said before, it's common courtesy. Don't touch shit that don't belong to you without permission.

If the owner's there, sure.

Someone moves my bike while I'm at work so they can get in, if it doesn't inconvenience me, who cares?

Do you carry a fingerprinting kit or sommat?

[Smifffy]

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[jazfender]

don't ever sit on another man's bike, asshole

Sanctimonious. :tugger:

[Pegasus]

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Well I love it. :love:

[Smifffy]

Sanctimonious. :tugger:

Try it sometime, maybe the thrill of the few times you get away with it will make up for the one time you don't.

Mess with the wrong person's bike, or car, or any of their property without permission and you just might get hurt.

It's not that hard to keep your hands to yourself is it?

What next? Wanna feel up my missus too?

[Smifffy]

If the owner's there, sure.

Someone moves my bike while I'm at work so they can get in, if it doesn't inconvenience me, who cares?

Do you carry a fingerprinting kit or sommat?

So they can get in being the point. If you park in s stupid place, like in front of a gate/door/entrance/fire hydrant then you should expect to be moved.

When parked in a legitimate and rightful spot then nobody should be messing with your shit. Whether you are there or otherwise.

OP should have asked the guy what happened to the gold watch that was strapped to the handlebars, cos now it's missing... :msn-wink:

[jazfender]

Try it sometime, maybe the thrill of the few times you get away with it will make up for the one time you don't.

Mess with the wrong person's bike, or car, or any of their property without permission and you just might get hurt.

It's not that hard to keep your hands to yourself is it?

What next? Wanna feel up my missus too?

It's not about thrills, it's about sharing the world with other people.

If I parked my bike across your driveway and shot off, I would expect you to move it without my permission. So what's the difference?

If someone's going to move your bike or anything without stealing, it will generally be for convenience, not malicious intent. Why so insecure?

Lastly, I bet your missus loves that you think of her as your property.

[Smifffy]

It's not about thrills, it's about sharing the world with other people.

If I parked my bike across your driveway and shot off, I would expect you to move it without my permission. So what's the difference?

If someone's going to move your bike or anything without stealing, it will generally be for convenience, not malicious intent. Why so insecure?

Lastly, I bet your missus loves that you think of her as your property.

I don't think of her as my property. I meant without her permission, not without mine. None of the situations mentioned by other posters have included the scenario of the motorcycle being parked anywhere other than where it is rightfully entitled to be.

There was no valid reason for the person in the OP to move those two bikes. Howe did they know there wasn't a bike alarm fitted? Would they have been happy to have set it off and leave it going to possibly flatten the battery or inconvenience the owner to come back from who knows where to shut it off?

I suspect that you are just trolling now and that's fine. If my bike is parked somewhere that it is entitled to be and I come back and find somebody sitting on it, or moving it, I'm not sure whether they would get a smack in the chops or not, but it is a distinct possibility. Like the OP, the smack is just as likely to come from the Moll as me.

I have already said a number of times that if a bike is blocking an entrance etc then there is no reason not to move it.

One of the problems with society today IMO is that idiots look for any reason to be able to tutoo with shit that doesn't belong to them, rather than keeping their hands to themselves.

edit:
PS If you parked your bike across my driveway I'd probably run it down rather than move it. :msn-wink: Like you said it's about sharing the world with others and recognising and respecting their property.

[Mom]

I reckon he just felt that since he wasn't invading the internal space of a vehicle he was within his rights to do so. I'd have let him have it with both guns blazing. Simply because he didn't want to have to back out???? What a nerve!!!

Completely agree!

I have to ask Maha quite often to move my bike as I have parked somehwere really stupid and cant get it out again :pnch:


...try backing a trailer from their parks....is fun for sure...

Not a chance, and only amusing for those watching if I am doing the reversing :D

[Spearfish]

One of the problems with society today IMO is that idiots look for any reason to be able to tutoo with shit that doesn't belong to them, rather than keeping their hands to themselves.



Is that the first time tutoo been used?

I think is a reasonable expectation that a parked bike/car/boat/trailer/camper/private jet be left alone unless a reasonable excuse is offered up.

I remember this debate when a thread started about picking up someones fallen bike, no real solutions came out of that one either.

[jafar]

I don't see the foul in moving a bike if it doesn't cause any damage, is put back and is for a good reason.

This might come as a shock but not everyone wants to fuck you over.

I'd bet you'd be pretty pissed off to come back to your bike to find it on it's side with the tank dented, pipes scratched & the clown that did it saying oh how sad. I can't pay for any damage cos I'm an unemployed bum. $$$$$:bye:

Or the situation I had a few months ago, when I came round a corner to find 'Daddy" with his little snotgobblers perched on MY FUCKING BIKE TO HAVE THEIR PIC'S TAKEN . Daddy was told to piss off & not touch my property or he would be in lot of pain. :angry:

[jazfender]

There was no valid reason for the person in the OP to move those two bikes. Howe did they know there wasn't a bike alarm fitted? Would they have been happy to have set it off and leave it going to possibly flatten the battery or inconvenience the owner to come back from who knows where to shut it off?

My statement didn't reference the OP. If there wasn't a good reason it still stands.



If my bike is parked somewhere that it is entitled to be and I come back and find somebody sitting on it, or moving it, I'm not sure whether they would get a smack in the chops or not, but it is a distinct possibility. Like the OP, the smack is just as likely to come from the Moll as me.

If they're moving it for no reason, then obviously they need a talking to. Generally you'll find that there is a reason for moving a bike. Shit if an ambulance needed your space to get to someone in need would you berate them as well for not asking?

Obviously an extreme but what you're really trying to say is that you don't want people touching your bike regardless of whether it's to convenience themselves without permission.

What I'm trying to say is that if someone moves my bike and doesn't damage it, is for a reason (ie getting somewhere) that doesn't inconvenience me then -> all good. Who cares?

[jazfender]

I'd bet you'd be pretty pissed off to come back to your bike to find it on it's side with the tank dented, pipes scratched & the clown that did it saying oh how sad. I can't pay for any damage cos I'm an unemployed bum. $$$$$:bye:

Yup, that's bullshit. Hope that dude got a smack.




Or the situation I had a few months ago, when I came round a corner to find 'Daddy" with his little snotgobblers perched on MY FUCKING BIKE TO HAVE THEIR PIC'S TAKEN . Daddy was told to piss off & not touch my property or he would be in lot of pain. :angry:

This one I'm less sympathetic to, sad guy. Yeah if they're fucking around with it, castrate that shit but if they just want a pic, why go postal?

I see your beef in that it's your property but I think a lot of people react in the wrong way. No wonder people think motorcyclists are cunts.

[Smifffy]

My statement didn't reference the OP. If there wasn't a good reason it still stands.



If they're moving it for no reason, then obviously they need a talking to. Generally you'll find that there is a reason for moving a bike. Shit if an ambulance needed your space to get to someone in need would you berate them as well for not asking?

Obviously an extreme but what you're really trying to say is that you don't want people touching your bike regardless of whether it's to convenience themselves without permission.

What I'm trying to say is that if someone moves my bike and doesn't damage it, is for a reason (ie getting somewhere) that doesn't inconvenience me then -> all good. Who cares?

There you go making up reasons to mess with somebody else's gear again. What I consider a good reason for someone to mess with my stuff, whether it is a bike, a car or a backpack is up to me. I get to decide, if I'm blocking the only access for an ambo then maybe fair enough eh?

Why don't you read the OP, and gather the context of the thread before glibly deciding that because you are so special you get to decide whose property you want to interfere with, and for what reason.

Maybe you don't have much pride in your bike, maybe you didn't have to work hard to be able to afford it, and maybe you don't go to much trouble to keep it looking and running good. Other people do, and they should be able to leave their bikes or cars parked in a legitimate parking space without having it interfered with.

Please explain to me what is so difficult about that concept?

In the OP, there was no gate. There was no driveway. There was no ambulance. There was no fire appliance, nor was there an Easter Parade coming through. There was just an ignorant git with a trailer.

[MarkH]

Way back on post 2:

Unless your bike is parked in some stupid place blocking people nobody should be touching it.

Since then a lot of stupid shit has been posted.

The OP and the 1st person responding understand - this is about people fucking with your stuff without a good reason to. If you park in front of a driveway then you are an idiot and have no right to complain if someone moves your bike, but if you park in a legit spot and there is no good reason for anyone to touch it then they should be leave it the fuck alone.

I always try to park where/how I won't inconvenience anyone else - that is just being considerate. If people that don't have any reason to touch my stuff would leave it alone then I appreciate their considerateness.

A little respect for other peoples property as long as they are good enough to be considerate to others shouldn't be too much to ask should it? Is this really that hard to understand or are a couple of people just trolling here?

[jafar]

Yup, that's bullshit. Hope that dude got a smack.

Only one ?:innocent:


This one I'm less sympathetic to, sad guy. Yeah if they're fucking around with it, castrate that shit but if they just want a pic, why go postal?

I see your beef in that it's your property but I think a lot of people react in the wrong way. No wonder people think motorcyclists are cunts.

He had his kids with their snotty little shitpickers all over my bike!!:angry:

I'll wait to see what you do when you find some no nothing fucktard messing with your bike:Oops:

[jazfender]

What I consider a good reason for someone to mess with my stuff, whether it is a bike, a car or a backpack is up to me. I get to decide, if I'm blocking the only access for an ambo then maybe fair enough eh?

That's the only difference here, what you and I consider good enough reasons to move a bike.



Why don't you read the OP, and gather the context of the thread before glibly deciding that because you are so special you get to decide whose property you want to interfere with, and for what reason.

My statement had to do with issues surrounding the discussion, not the OP.

This is about attitudes of bikers towards people who are acting legitimately. That's not to say the person in the OP did.



Other people do, and they should be able to leave their bikes or cars parked in a legitimate parking space without having it interfered with.

Sure but having more or less pride in your vehicle shouldn't affect whether or not somebody else can move it for legitimate reasons. No matter how much you love your bike, it is still a hunk of metal and it still may be causing someone else inconvenience. That's not the biker or the other person's fault, it's the designer of the space.



In the OP, there was no gate. There was no driveway. There was no ambulance. There was no fire appliance, nor was there an Easter Parade coming through. There was just an ignorant git with a trailer.

Great! Cos I still didn't reference the fucking OP.

[jazfender]

He had his kids with their snotty little shitpickers all over my bike!!:angry:

I'll wait to see what you do when you find some no nothing fucktard messing with your bike:Oops:

if someone's messing with my bike they'll get no less than angry abuse. If they're taking a pic man who cares?

But yeah, that to me is not as legit as moving a bike that's blocking something so I think you're in the right in asking them to get off. Don't think it justifies abuse though.

[Owl]

The OP and the 1st person responding understand - this is about people fucking with your stuff without a good reason to. If you park in front of a driveway then you are an idiot and have no right to complain if someone moves your bike, but if you park in a legit spot and there is no good reason for anyone to touch it then they should be leave it the fuck alone.

I always try to park where/how I won't inconvenience anyone else - that is just being considerate. If people that don't have any reason to touch my stuff would leave it alone then I appreciate their considerateness.

A little respect for other peoples property as long as they are good enough to be considerate to others shouldn't be too much to ask should it? Is this really that hard to understand or are a couple of people just trolling here?

Exactly!:yes:

[Smifffy]

That's the only difference here, what you and I consider good enough reasons to move a bike.


The point is this: My Bike = My reasons.

Nobody else gets to decide. I will decide on the day, at the time whether i think your reason was good enough. If I don't think that your reason was good enough, then that's up to me. Not you, because it is not your fucking bike. It is my bike, and I will decide, regardless of how valiant you may think your efforts are, you have not sought permission to interfere with my bike, you have not assumed legal responsibility for any damage done to it, and you have no right to touch it.

If you are the sort of person who goes around moving, or otherwise touching the property belonging to others then you should possibly expect to be the victim of assault one day.

If there was a row of a dozen gang bikes parked up, and you thought one of them was parked in a manner that inconvenienced you, would you move it? Really?

[jafar]

if someone's messing with my bike they'll get no less than angry abuse. If they're taking a pic man who cares?.

1/ they were on my bike without my knowledge or consent
2/ They did not ask
3/ I FUCKING CARE


But yeah, that to me is not as legit as moving a bike that's blocking something so I think you're in the right in asking them to get off. Don't think it justifies abuse though.

You are now bringing arguments that have nothing to do with the situation.
If you are referring to the OP, then that cage driver had no right to move his bike either for the reasons I have previously stated.

[unstuck]

:corn: Didnt see this coming:blink:The brotherhood of the bike:shutup:

[jazfender]

The point is this: My Bike = My reasons.

Nobody else gets to decide. I will decide on the day, at the time whether i think your reason was good enough. If I don't think that your reason was good enough, then that's up to me. Not you, because it is not your fucking bike. It is my bike, and I will decide, regardless of how valiant you may think your efforts are, you have not sought permission to interfere with my bike, you have not assumed legal responsibility for any damage done to it, and you have no right to touch it.

Yup, your property, your reasons. And that applies when you are with the bike, no worries.

The thing is, it's not just about the act of moving it, it's who is moving it that factors as well. Most people (I hope) would have no problem with a loved one moving their bike without asking if it were inconveniencing them. It's the lack of trust in a stranger that fuels the fear and abuse.

It's unreasonable, in my opinion, to get angry at someone for moving something and putting it back that is inconveniencing them if the owner is nowhere.



If there was a row of a dozen gang bikes parked up, and you thought one of them was parked in a manner that inconvenienced you, would you move it? Really?

Nope, but only because of my (admittedly preconceived) notions of gang members being unreasonable people.

[Pegasus]

It's unreasonable, in my opinion, to get angry at someone for moving something and putting it back that is inconveniencing them if the owner is nowhere.
'

Not the case in this situation! 1. Owners were within earshot, even if not with a direct line sight, due to his actions. 2. The TOSSER did not put anything back, just left it to inconvenience someone else. But then I guess they could probably back a trailer.

[jazfender]

1/ they were on my bike without my knowledge or consent
2/ They did not ask
3/ I FUCKING CARE



Look, I get your reaction because sitting on a bike implies messing around with it so it's a little different to what I'm talking about with agent smith up there.

And I agree it's a bit cheeky to sit on it, maybe standing next to it for a pic until they have permission, but come on. In terms of harm done, that hasta be pretty low. I personally wouldn't ruin someone's day for that.



You are now bringing arguments that have nothing to do with the situation.
If you are referring to the OP, then that cage driver had no right to move his bike either for the reasons I have previously stated.

Nah bro, not talking about the OP.

[jazfender]

Not the case in this situation! 1. Owners were within earshot, even if not with a direct line sight, due to his actions. 2. The TOSSER did not put anything back, just left it to inconvenience someone else. But then I guess they could probably back a trailer.

Yeah, sounds like this asshat got what was coming.

[Smifffy]

It's unreasonable, in my opinion, to get angry at someone for moving something and putting it back that is inconveniencing them if the owner is nowhere.



So you are prepared to take the risk of damaging someone else's property simply to avoid a personal inconvenience?

That's unreasonable to me.

[Smifffy]

Yeah, sounds like this asshat got what was coming.

So in the 'sanctimonious' video clip I posted, do you believe that the fella that was sitting on the bike was acting reasonably and within his rights?

[jazfender]

So you are prepared to take the risk of damaging someone else's property simply to avoid a personal inconvenience?

Well I'm taking personal responsibility at the same time, so the risk is on me. If I fuck it up, yeah, take me to the cleaners.

The issue isn't then that I shouldn't have tried to move it, it's that I damaged it. That's a whole different road.

For the record, you don't have to be a LICENCED MOTORCYCLE PILOT to be able to move a bike.

[PrincessBandit]

If I parked my bike across your driveway and shot off, I would expect you to move it without my permission. So what's the difference?



Therein lies the difference between your post and the OP

[NZsarge]

:corn: :D :whistle:

[tigertim20]

Well I'm taking personal responsibility at the same time, so the risk is on me. If I fuck it up, yeah, take me to the cleaners.

The issue isn't then that I shouldn't have tried to move it, it's that I damaged it. That's a whole different road.

For the record, you don't have to be a LICENCED MOTORCYCLE PILOT to be able to move a bike.

for fuck sakes man, if its MY FUCKING BIKE, nobbody, and I mean fucking NOBODY touches it without losing teeth.
I have on occaision had a parent ask my if they could take a photo of my bike with their kid in it. I say yes, if they are polite, and have asked first.

the point here is RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY, end of fucking story. no excuses. no bullshit. no justifying some lazy useless fucktard cunt putting his fucking fingers on someone elses shit.
IF IT AINT YOURS, DONT FUCKING TOUCH IT.
is that really so hard to understand?
stop trying to troll or justify it.
fuck up.

[Owl]

For the record, you don't have to be a LICENCED MOTORCYCLE PILOT to be able to move a bike.

No, but I think you'll find you need permission to move someone else's.

[jazfender]

So in the 'sanctimonious' video clip I posted, do you believe that the fella that was sitting on the bike was acting reasonably and within his rights?

Not really, it was cheeky and he didn't have a good reason for it.

[ynot slow]

the point here is RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY, end of fucking story. no excuses. no bullshit. no justifying some lazy useless fucktard cunt putting his fucking fingers on someone elses shit.
IF IT AINT YOURS, DONT FUCKING TOUCH IT.
is that really so hard to understand?
stop trying to troll or justify it.
fuck up.

This quote is totally relevant in all aspects of life,bring back the good old days when noone locked their doors when at work,when we had work for most.

The word RESPECT sums it up,sadly not alot(of respect for property or people) around at times,although the guy who scraped my car and waited to let wife know he did has mine.

[Smifffy]

Well I'm taking personal responsibility at the same time, so the risk is on me. If I fuck it up, yeah, take me to the cleaners.

The issue isn't then that I shouldn't have tried to move it, it's that I damaged it. That's a whole different road.

For the record, you don't have to be a LICENCED MOTORCYCLE PILOT to be able to move a bike.

If you have damaged it, it is already too late.

Leave other people's shit the fuck alone!!!

It is a really simple rule for living, and getting along, with others.

The only place where it is possible to mess with someone else's shit is at a hippy commune.

Look around this site and you will find plenty of posts where this simple directive has been ignored and it ends in tears, from flatmates eating each other's food, to tools, to tent space and even parking spaces.

And as I said before, what if the bike has an alarm and it goes off, the interloper then buggers off leaving it blaring. Who does that inconvenience?

It would simply be a lot easier if people didn't touch what doesn't belong to them.

[Smifffy]

Not really, it was cheeky and he didn't have a good reason for it.

So you were just trolling then. Gotcha.

[jazfender]

Therein lies the difference between your post and the OP

Thanks, but for the 98375th time, I'm not talking about the OP.


for fuck sakes man, if its MY FUCKING BIKE, nobbody, and I mean fucking NOBODY touches it without losing teeth.

Jesus bro, you'd be great at a party.



the point here is RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY, end of fucking story.

Moving someone's bike without damaging it, returning it to where it was and for a good reason IS respecting other peoples' property.


No, but I think you'll find you need permission to move someone else's.

For the sake of common courtesy I agree, but in circumstances where the permission is unable (that's unable, not denied) to be granted, I think it's unreasonable to get upset with someone that moves it in accordance with what I've said above.

[PrincessBandit]

If I parked my bike across your driveway and shot off, I would expect you to move it without my permission. So what's the difference?




Therein lies the difference between your post and the OP


Thanks, but for the 98375th time, I'm not talking about the OP.


For the sake of common courtesy I agree, but in circumstances where the permission is unable (that's unable, not denied) to be granted, I think it's unreasonable to get upset with someone that moves it in accordance with what I've said above.

Oh ok then; in light of the above sequence, I'd say if you parked your bike across my driveway then shot off I'd probably feel quite at liberty to shove your bloody bike over and run over it as your "common courtesy" would be completely nowhere to be seen.

[chanceyy]

And ever been to speedway at closing time,try backing a trailer from their parks,usually close to each vehicle,is fun for sure(and yep I had to back the stockcar trailer).

yup & it was a weekly task, I did all the driving/reversing as I could back better than the Ex. lol


Thats the thing that annoyed me most, we had parked the bikes (both within 1 empty car park, out of everyones way) where we could see them.... till the guy parked his car & trailer in the park behind them. Had he stood at his car door, and called out in a normal voice, if anyone knew who owned them and if they could move them, we were close enough so would have heard him, and wouldn't have had a problem with moving them for him at all.

But no, the first I heard was him starting his car, and I saw him moving forward instead of backing. He was pretty quiet about moving them. Almost like he knew he was doing something wrong.

hmm sounds rather like it chick, and no he should not have moved your bikes .. you were in your own park .. wonder if he would have dared do that at the recent Mother's trackday


As said before, it's common courtesy. Don't touch shit that don't belong to you without permission. I don't see what's so difficult about that concept.

problem is alot of ppl these days do not respect other ppls property ..

:corn: :D :whistle:

Share that :popcorn: Sarge ~~

[jazfender]

It is a really simple rule for living, and getting along, with others.

There are situations (in the real world) where your property will interfere with other peoples' life or property. Getting along with other people involves accepting reasons that God forbid, someone might have to move it. Why can this not be done respectfully?


And as I said before, what if the bike has an alarm and it goes off, the interloper then buggers off leaving it blaring. Who does that inconvenience?

Again, personal responsibility.

The funny thing here being that alarms were only made in the first place because people don't trust each other.



It would simply be a lot easier if people didn't touch what doesn't belong to them.

It would be a lot easier if people were more reasonable and accepted that they're not the only ones on this planet.


So you were just trolling then. Gotcha.

Not sure I follow, it was still sanctimonious?

[Smifffy]

Thanks, but for the 98375th time, I'm not talking about the OP.

No, you are talking shit.




Jesus bro, you'd be great at a party.



I'd rather have him at one of my parties, at least I know he won't be messing with my stuff.



Moving someone's bike without damaging it, returning it to where it was and for a good reason IS respecting other peoples' property.


No it isn't, it is self-serving and patronising, and believing that your own convenience is of more importance than anybody elses.



For the sake of common courtesy I agree, but in circumstances where the permission is unable (that's unable, not denied) to be granted, I think it's unreasonable to get upset with someone that moves it in accordance with what I've said above.

IF IT ISN'T YOURS, DON'T TOUCH IT WITHOUT PERMISSION.

[Smifffy]

There are situations (in the real world) where your property will interfere with other peoples' life or property. Getting along with other people involves accepting reasons that God forbid, someone might have to move it. Why can this not be done respectfully?



Again, personal responsibility.

The funny thing here being that alarms were only made in the first place because people don't trust each other.



It would be a lot easier if people were more reasonable and accepted that they're not the only ones on this planet.



Not sure I follow, it was still sanctimonious?

Are you drunk, stoned, or just stupid?

[jazfender]

I'd rather have him at one of my parties, at least I know he won't be messing with my stuff.

You're misrepresenting my position. I'm not arguing for the right to mess with other peoples' stuff. You are reading too far into what I'm saying and adding your own spin.



No it isn't, it is self-serving and patronising, and believing that your own convenience is of more importance than anybody elses.

I agree it's self-serving, but compare it to the person who thinks that there should be a forcefield around their bike regardless of the inconvenience it causes to anyone else.

If my bike or any property is in a legitimate place, but is blocking several others from accessing equally legitimate places, I would have no problem with them moving it as long as it is not damaged, returned to where it was and does not inconvenience me. That's just me but I think the reverse attitude is more damaging to getting along with others.

[jazfender]

Duplicate post.

[Geeen]

No it isn't, it is self-serving and patronising, and believing that your own convenience is of more importance than anybody elses.



IF IT ISN'T YOURS, DON'T TOUCH IT WITHOUT PERMISSION.

Hear Hear.

[Smifffy]

You're misrepresenting my position. I'm not arguing for the right to mess with other peoples' stuff. You are reading too far into what I'm saying and adding your own spin.



I agree it's self-serving, but compare it to the person who thinks that there should be a forcefield around their bike regardless of the inconvenience it causes to anyone else.

If my bike or any property is in a legitimate place, but is blocking several others from accessing equally legitimate places, I would have no problem with them moving it as long as it is not damaged, returned to where it was and does not inconvenience me. That's just me but I think the reverse attitude is more damaging to getting along with others.

So now we are blocking several others from legitimate access to somewhere? We have already been over this aspect, and agreed that a bike or whatever parked in a designated thoroughfare deserves to get moved.

You are moving further and further away from the topic of discussion, and are completely out of the realms of the OP.

oh, and BTW:

If something doesn't belong to you, leave it the fuck alone.

I don't think I misrepresent your position at all, if you are at my party and you think that the choice of music is inconveniencing others, I have little doubt from what you have posted so far that you would not hesitate to select a different disc from my library, and providing you did not cause any damage would be happy to change said disc and adjust the volume of my hi-fi for us all, how considerate.

I'd rather have the guy that says "This music's shit got anything else?" at which point I'd probably point him to the discs and tell him to go for it.

[jazfender]

Oh ok then; in light of the above sequence, I'd say if you parked your bike across my driveway then shot off I'd probably feel quite at liberty to shove your bloody bike over and run over it as your "common courtesy" would be completely nowhere to be seen.

Yup, that's what I'm getting at. Even though parking in a driveway is obviously a pisstake - if your property is somewhere that inconveniences someone else, I don't think there should be a problem in moving it as long as you do so respectfully and put it back where it was.

Obviously the responsibility for moving it is on you, so if you break it or mess with it or whatever, you gotta deal with the consequences.

[Camshaft]

ppl think that caus a bike has no doors that its sweet to sit play move touch. its not ok.

[Oblivion]

ppl think that caus a bike has no doors that its sweet to sit play move touch. its not ok.

I remember when I was bought up, that my Parents would say that you should look, not touch, unless it was your property. Very closely followed by "you break, you buy"

What the hell are people thinking!? Don't touch what you obviously can't afford. Your wallet can't afford to replace it now can it?

[Camshaft]

So now we are blocking several others from legitimate access to somewhere? We have already been over this aspect, and agreed that a bike or whatever parked in a designated thoroughfare deserves to get moved.

You are moving further and further away from the topic of discussion, and are completely out of the realms of the OP.

oh, and BTW:

If something doesn't belong to you, leave it the fuck alone.

I don't think I misrepresent your position at all, if you are at my party and you think that the choice of music is inconveniencing others, I have little doubt from what you have posted so far that you would not hesitate to select a different disc from my library, and providing you did not cause any damage would be happy to change said disc and adjust the volume of my hi-fi for us all, how considerate.

I'd rather have the guy that says "This music's shit got anything else?" at which point I'd probably point him to the discs and tell him to go for it.

totaly agree, i think this jazfender is extremely high and getting alot of satisfaction out of using his arsohole to type.

NOT YOURS, LEAVE IT ALONE.

[jazfender]

So now we are blocking several others from legitimate access to somewhere? We have already been over this aspect, and agreed that a bike or whatever parked in a designated thoroughfare deserves to get moved.

It was only to highlight a scenario where the level of inconvenience is higher for someone who is not parked.



You are moving further and further away from the topic of discussion, and are completely out of the realms of the OP.

I've only addressed the OP once, and that was to agree.



I don't think I misrepresent your position at all, if you are at my party and you think that the choice of music is inconveniencing others, I have little doubt from what you have posted so far that you would not hesitate to select a different disc from my library, and providing you did not cause any damage would be happy to change said disc and adjust the volume of my hi-fi for us all, how considerate.

Going with that analogy, if the host wasn't there and the music sucked, somebody would probably change it. If the host then came back later and found the music different - proceeding to yell at the guests... not sure many would go to his parties.

That said, for the analogy to hold, the music would be the same when the host got back. Where's the issue?



I'd rather have the guy that says "This music's shit got anything else?" at which point I'd probably point him to the discs and tell him to go for it.

This is about you not being there.

[jazfender]

totaly agree, i think this jazfender is extremely high and getting alot of satisfaction out of using his arsohole to type.

Fuck I wish I was high and could type with my arsehole. I need to eat

[steve_t]

totaly agree, i think this jazfender is extremely high and getting alot of satisfaction out of using his arsohole to type.

NOT YOURS, LEAVE IT ALONE.

How do u know Jazfender is a dude?

[Smifffy]

I think I do actually understand Jazfender's position:

If you move my bike and I kick your teeth in, you think I am being unreasonable.

I can live with that.

Don't touch my bike.

[Camshaft]

How do u know Jazfender is a dude?

You must be bored. gota love kb, any chance to stir some shit wil be grabbed, FAST.
but i geuss thats better thn going out looking for other peoples bikes to move.

[skippa1]

unless its me touching my bike, its considered "bad" touching and will be dealt with accordingly.

[Blackshear]

This thread makes me awfully tempted to buy a triumph rocket...

Move it, you fucking earned the right. :rockon:

[MarkH]

It was only to highlight a scenario where the level of inconvenience is higher for someone who is not parked.

So, what if a car is parked in a car parking space, but for some reason its location is inconvenient to a few other people? Is it OK to use a slim-jim to pop the lock, take off the handbrake and move it?

I think that before moving someone else bike (unless it is in a stupid place) you really want to have a good enough reason that would make the owner go "fair enough then" if he/she suddenly appeared as you were moving the bike. Not just a reason that a reasonable person would accept, but a reason so good that even if the bike owner was a very unreasonable person, they would still see that it was fair enough for you to move the bike.

In all other circumstances, why risk accidentally damaging the bike? Why risk pissing off the owner of the bike by moving it for no good reason? Why not just leave the fucking thing alone?

Similarly good parents don't let their sticky kid touch peoples bikes or get on them or get in peoples convertibles. Good parents teach their kids to respect other peoples property and not fuck with something that isn't yours without permission.

Giving someone a bollocking for fucking with a bike when no damage is done is just a public service - it stops the fuckwit from keeping on doing that until one day he accidentally damages someone's bike. You should be thanking Mrs Owl for reducing the chance of this particular fucktard moving your bike one day and dropping it. Giving this dickhead an earful WAS necessary, it just shouldn't have been - anyone old enough to drive should have already learned not to mess with other peoples property.

[superman]

Hmm... maybe I'll get me one of them 100dB alarmed disc locks. :yes:

[jazfender]

So, what if a car is parked in a car parking space, but for some reason its location is inconvenient to a few other people? Is it OK to use a slim-jim to pop the lock, take off the handbrake and move it?

Oh boy, this is not going to be popular:

I think that if a car was as easy to move as a bike, then I again would not have any problem with someone moving it so long as that same criteria is met:

- good reason
- not stealing
- no damage
- I was not there or in a position to move it myself



I think that before moving someone else bike (unless it is in a stupid place) you really want to have a good enough reason that would make the owner go "fair enough then" if he/she suddenly appeared as you were moving the bike.

Me too. I agree with that completely.



Not just a reason that a reasonable person would accept, but a reason so good that even if the bike owner was a very unreasonable person, they would still see that it was fair enough for you to move the bike.

Generally someone wouldn't move a bike except for a good reason. It's people that don't want their bike moved for ANY REASON that I take issue with.



In all other circumstances, why risk accidentally damaging the bike? Why risk pissing off the owner of the bike by moving it for no good reason? Why not just leave the fucking thing alone?

Nobody sane is going to move a bike without a reason. I would consider moving someone's bike or property for no reason to be fucking with it.


Giving someone a bollocking for fucking with a bike when no damage is done is just a public service - it stops the fuckwit from keeping on doing that until one day he accidentally damages someone's bike.

You are not fucking with a bike if you are moving it for a legitimate reason.

[Hawkeye]

So...... going back to the original op's #1 post.
The cage driver moved the bike because he was inconvienced because he was incapable of reversing a trailer. A bike, that was there before the cager arrived and was parked ligitimately!

Am I missing something so far.... don't think so!

Bike not causing an obstruction, but cager thinks he'll move it just to make his life easier.

Can someone please explain to me how the f@*k anyone finds that acceptable. Touching other peoples property without permission is a :mad: offence at the very least.

[MarkH]

Oh boy, this is not going to be popular:

Generally someone wouldn't move a bike except for a good reason. It's people that don't want their bike moved for ANY REASON that I take issue with.

Nobody sane is going to move a bike without a reason. I would consider moving someone's bike or property for no reason to be fucking with it.

What? Are you deliberately acting thick? What do you think this thread is about? Did you read the OP?

How many people have said that they don't want their bike touched for any reason and that includes it being moved so a fire engine or ambulance to get through? None - there are always exceptions to any rule! But the rule is you don't go moving someone's bike.


So...... going back to the original op's #1 post.
The cage driver moved the bike because he was inconvienced because he was incapable of reversing a trailer. A bike, that was there before the cager arrived and was parked ligitimately!

Am I missing something so far.... don't think so!

Just one thing - the fucktard went and moved TWO bikes because he was too retarded to just back his vehicle & trailer up.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Generally someone wouldn't move a bike except for a good reason. It's people that don't want their bike moved for ANY REASON that I take issue with.


Most people just start a new members thread to introduce themselves - you've taken one hell of a way to introduce yourself to the forums.

Personally, I think you need to understand how most bikers feel about their bikes - you might not care about yours too much but most bikers would feel very aggrieved if someone had scratched a tank or scuffed a seat/ rear cowl just so they could have a picture taken on a bike.

And on the second point - there is usually very little reason to ever move a bike - they are generally parked out of the way for good reason - bikers don't like their rides being touched.

You are obviously relatively new to biking and will, in time, understand that bikers defend their rights as equal road users quite strongly. Moving a bike because "it is an inconvenience" to a larger vehicle is not an argument most bikers will accept for someone touching their bike.

[jazfender]

Did you read the OP?

I think this is the sixth, maybe seventh time I've said that it's not the scenario in the OP that I'm talking about.

I was responding to people acting as though their bike being parked somewhere means they all but own the ground it's parked on.



How many people have said that they don't want their bike touched for any reason and that includes it being moved so a fire engine or ambulance to get through?

The ambulance was just an example of an extreme and it still met resistance. People don't want their bikes touched regardless of whether or not it inconveniences anyone else. As if it's a sacred object to be revered. That's what I don't agree with.




Personally, I think you need to understand how most bikers feel about their bikes - you might not care about yours too much but most bikers would feel very aggrieved if someone had scratched a tank or scuffed a seat/ rear cowl just so they could have a picture taken on a bike.

I know exactly how bikers feel about their bikes and is exactly what I disagree with.

I'd be pissed if someone damaged my bike too bro. OK I wouldn't care if someone scuffed my seat :crybaby: but like I said before, that's a little different to moving a bike for a good reason.


And on the second point - there is usually very little reason to ever move a bike -

Yup, so?



You are obviously relatively new to biking and will, in time, understand that bikers defend their rights as equal road users quite strongly.

You are obviously relatively new to the internet and will, in time, understand that internet users will happily express their opinion on the internet quite strongly.


Moving a bike because "it is an inconvenience" to a larger vehicle is not an argument most bikers will accept for someone touching their bike.

I've been in a situation a couple of times where I've parked with my centre-stand down between two bikes. Person to the right of me has used their side-stand. Their bike and mine are legitimately parked however their bike handlebars are actually across mine so I can't get my bike out without touching or moving theirs.

Now that to me, is an inconvenience and I don't give a fuck if their bike is a Black Shadow, if I need to move it to get out, I will move it.

And it is unreasonable in my opinion for someone to come out, see me moving their bike to get mine out and have a go because I didn't ask them first. But that has also happened.

:violin:

[awayatc]

You are obviously relatively new to the internet and will, in time, understand that internet users will happily express their opinion on the internet quite strongly.
:violin:



Bet you got a bike just because it is a cheap way to get to work......

well, This is kiwibiker......

Not f*ckn Kiwi comuter....

[pritch]

I was responding to people acting as though their bike being parked somewhere means they all but own the ground it's parked on


In a way they do. Last time I looked (and it was a long time ago) it was an offence to interfere with a motor vehicle that you did not own.

Simple really. So what are we arguing about again?

[PrincessBandit]

What? Are you deliberately acting thick? What do you think this thread is about? Did you read the OP?......
Just one thing - the fucktard went and moved TWO bikes because he was too retarded to just back his vehicle & trailer up.

Mark, this person (gender unclear) is simply determined to keep churning out stuff under the issue of not being related/relevant to the OP.

Where he/she is stuck at is the fact that your last sentence (and heaps of other posts in this thread) is the operative fact in the OPs point.

I would like to think that the majority of people who have voiced here their lack of understanding of anyone touching their bike would NOT be leaving it deliberately parked where it is either illegal or cause reasonable inconvenience to someone else who has the right to access that area. This doesn't include those who simply wish to utilise the area due to their own laziness or incompetence.

[Owl]

Last time I looked (and it was a long time ago) it was an offence to interfere with a motor vehicle that you did not own.

That's sort of what I thought, but some clarification would be a bonus.:yes:

Where's scumdog, rastuscat and red mermaid etc? God knows they have plenty to say in other threads:laugh:

[swbarnett]

People don't want their bikes touched regardless of whether or not it inconveniences anyone else.
If it's legitimately parked then under anything but extreme, life and death, circumstances the only good reason for touching another's property is if not doing so would allow that property to be damaged or stolen e.g. catching a bike as it blows over to prevent fall damage.


As if it's a sacred object to be revered. That's what I don't agree with.
As far as I'm concerned someone's instrument of passion IS an object to be reverred. Be that bike, car or anything else.


I know exactly how bikers feel about their bikes.
Until you feel the same way I doubt you can ever understand.


I've been in a situation a couple of times where I've parked with my centre-stand down between two bikes. Person to the right of me has used their side-stand. Their bike and mine are legitimately parked however their bike handlebars are actually across mine so I can't get my bike out without touching or moving theirs.

Now that to me, is an inconvenience and I don't give a fuck if their bike is a Black Shadow, if I need to move it to get out, I will move it.
Yes, but this is an inconvenience caused by the other person's lack of considertaion for your right of egress. The bike is not legitimately parked.

[ynot slow]

I've been in a situation a couple of times where I've parked with my centre-stand down between two bikes. Person to the right of me has used their side-stand. Their bike and mine are legitimately parked however their bike handlebars are actually across mine so I can't get my bike out without touching or moving theirs.

:violin:

So reading this quote of "parked between 2 bikes (which were there)"" and need to move a bike to get out",why would you park between said 2 bikes,the crux to me would be park a bit further along the road,heck you must've had to be bloody carefull parking in first place,as you obviously needed to move(a bike) to go.

Also I would assume if someone I didn't know was pushing my bike away,is it alright to assume they maybe about to steal it,pretty far fetched,but there is a few people whose bikes have been wheeled away and stolen.

[MarkH]

The ambulance was just an example of an extreme and it still met resistance. People don't want their bikes touched regardless of whether or not it inconveniences anyone else. As if it's a sacred object to be revered. That's what I don't agree with.

I suspected that you were full of shit, so I re-read the entire thread and confirmed it. Not a single poster has said that they would have a problem with their bike being moved if it was necessary for an ambulance to get through. For that matter no one seems to have a problem with their bike being moved IF it is blocking legit access for other people.

The problem here is that many people park their bikes where they are not in the way of anyone and there is no good reason why they should be moved, then some dick comes along and decides it would be a little easier if the bikes weren't there and moves them. It is done for a reason, but it isn't necessary and the reason isn't really a good enough one from the point of view of the bike owner.

Then there is the idiot poster problem - refusing to 'get' what it is that the thread is discussing and argues on a tangent to everyone else.

[jazfender]

Bet you got a bike just because it is a cheap way to get to work......

Actually I bought a bike initially as a toy before developing a passion for the experience of motorcycling. That passion is for the experience itself, not the hunk of metal that delivers it.


If it's legitimately parked then under anything but extreme, life and death, circumstances the only good reason for touching another's property is if not doing so would allow that property to be damaged or stolen e.g. catching a bike as it blows over to prevent fall damage.

Sure, if you have a callus lack of regard for anyone else. As MarkH said - there are exceptions to the rule!



As far as I'm concerned someone's instrument of passion IS an object to be reverred. Be that bike, car or anything else.

I disagree, so what?



Until you feel the same way I doubt you can ever understand.

Just because I don't place as much value in material objects as you does not mean I am incapable of understanding the value that other people instil in them. However, I also believe in a lot of cases that value can be unreasonable.


The bike is not legitimately parked.

OK, I will concede that. It's really just another example to highlight some of the ridiculous attitudes towards property that some people have.


So reading this quote of "parked between 2 bikes (which were there)"" and need to move a bike to get out",why would you park between said 2 bikes,the crux to me would be park a bit further along the road,heck you must've had to be bloody carefull parking in first place,as you obviously needed to move(a bike) to go.

Well at the time because it was the last space. Do I have to forfeit this because of inconsiderate parking? Have I cast the first stone if I move the bike slightly to get in?

There has also been a time where I parked a scooter and came back later to find someone had parked their bike beside mine in a way that stopped me from moving it. No angry owner to be seen though.



Also I would assume if someone I didn't know was pushing my bike away,is it alright to assume they maybe about to steal it,pretty far fetched,but there is a few people whose bikes have been wheeled away and stolen.

Yeah, I get that but it wasn't like I wheeled it away, I just held the bike a little more upright so I could wheel mine out.


Not a single poster has said that they would have a problem with their bike being moved if it was necessary for an ambulance to get through.

As I said, that was an extreme example to give perspective. And I recall Smifffy saying something along the lines of that he should have the right to deny them or something, I can't remember exactly but I'll have a look.



For that matter no one seems to have a problem with their bike being moved IF it is blocking legit access for other people.

Even without permission? I think some of those would disagree.


It is done for a reason, but it isn't necessary and the reason isn't really a good enough one from the point of view of the bike owner.

That's the thing, from the point of view of the bike owner. Why does that point of view take precedence over anyone else?

[swbarnett]

Actually I bought a bike initially as a toy before developing a passion for the experience of motorcycling. That passion is for the experience itself, not the hunk of metal that delivers it.
Then you really have no appreciation of how different bikes deliver different experiences and how one can become very attached to the particular experiences delivered by the bike that is currently owned.


Sure, if you have a callus lack of regard for anyone else.
What a load of utter bollox! I do NOT have a callus lack of regard for anyone else. Anyone that knows me will tell you the exact opposite. I will go out of my way to be courteous and I expect no less from others. If I am legitimately parked why the hell does the fact that someone is just plain lazy give them the right to touch my property?


As MarkH said - there are exceptions to the rule!
Indeed. And it better be a bloody good reason before another's property is messed with without permission. How much the owner values that particular piece of property is completely irrelevant.


I disagree, so what?
So what indeed. I really don't believe that you understand that of which you speak. Until you have experienced it you can not claim to understand.


Just because I don't place as much value in material objects as you does not mean I am incapable of understanding the value that other people instil in them.
Sorry, but this is exactly why you can never understand. It would be like me saying I understand what it's like to lose a child even though I've never had children.


That's the thing, from the point of view of the bike owner. Why does that point of view take precedence over anyone else?
Are you really trying to say that the point of view of a theif is equally valid in relation to someone else's property? When an inanimate object is "owned" there is a legal relationship between the "owner" and the "property" that gives the owner the primary right to determine what happens to the owned property, whether the owner is present or not.

[davebullet]

If I knew the person and knew they knew motorcycles - not an issue.

The problem with the average car driver is they would probably end up dropping it, knock a wing mirror or lean against painted parts with their zips etc and not aware they might scratch it.

At the end of the day, given the circumstances (driver had clear exit behind) - that behaviour is not acceptable.

I wonder if Harley riders ever experience this? I mean, most car drivers would think if a Harley "could be a big maori fulla or member of a gang - better leave it alone"

[PrincessBandit]

Sure, if you have a callus lack of regard for anyone else. As MarkH said - there are exceptions to the rule!


Aaaarrgghh - "o" add the "o" - callous.

A callus is something else; caused by friction on certain places of the body...

[Smifffy]

Aaaarrgghh - "o" add the "o" - callous.

A callus is something else; caused by friction on certain places of the body...

In this case I think the callus is between the ears.

[gatch]

Unless you are throwing your body on top of it to save it from a potential assassination attempt, DO NOT TOUCH MY FUCKING BIKE.

OR I WILL STAB YOU.

[jazfender]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AKQSs0GgIW0/TWQ0L0AZrlI/AAAAAAAAAAY/jUlJcZ26bsA/s1600/75378-TrollFace.png

[imdying]

It's easy not to have any great concern for somebody moving your bike when it's a piece of shite :rolleyes:

[imdying]

I disagree, so what?So nothing. Just don't get all uppity when you're on the receiving end of a smack round the back of your head from a Shoei.

[stonefish]

Definitely hands off!! The bike is sacred!

Last year my husband popped into a servo in Auckland to fill up with gas. He parked his bike next to the pump (as you do), filled up, and walked into the shop to pay. As he was walking back out, to his absolute horror and disbelief he saw some small fat woman in the process of moving his bike out the way so she could get her car to the pump :angry::angry:

Lucky he came out when he did because she was also in the process of dropping the 1000cc beast onto the tarmac :shit:

Unbelievable!! One thing is for sure - she won't be going near another bike (or biker) again after the earbashing she received that day :innocent:

[Max Preload]

It's called unlawfully interfering with a motor vehicle. If I were to catch someone doing it to any of mine I'd punch them in the face.

[MarkH]

Definitely hands off!! The bike is sacred!

Last year my husband popped into a servo in Auckland to fill up with gas. He parked his bike next to the pump (as you do), filled up, and walked into the shop to pay. As he was walking back out, to his absolute horror and disbelief he saw some small fat woman in the process of moving his bike out the way so she could get her car to the pump :angry::angry:

Lucky he came out when he did because she was also in the process of dropping the 1000cc beast onto the tarmac :shit:

Unbelievable!! One thing is for sure - she won't be going near another bike (or biker) again after the earbashing she received that day :innocent:

This is what I have been talking about in this thread - there was NO need for the woman to move the bike, she should just wait like she would with any other vehicle. Which is better, 30 seconds of waiting or dropping someone's bike and doing over a thousand dollars worth of damage (damage 2 fairing pieces . . .) to it? Why risk it? Do people like that take the handbrake of a car and push it out of the way instead of waiting?

If she never tries that stupid shit again then the ear bashing was 100% effective and IMO 100% warranted. She had no right to put her hands on that bike and she had no need either.

If I'm gassing up and see a person waiting to use the pump after me then I'll roll forward and allow them access to the pump while I go and pay. If there is no one waiting then I'll just go and pay, if someone turns up and wants that pump while I'm paying then I expect them to wait - it's not like I'll take very long.

If I park in such a way as to block in another motorcyclist and he has to move my bike to get out then I'm OK with that (more OK with their actions than my own TBH). But if another motorcyclist moves my bike so that they can park I'd find that a bit annoying - they could have just parked elsewhere, they shouldn't touch other bikes if they don't need to.

[White trash]

White trash......

" Fucks sake. What a bunch of homos.


So a biker, needs to move his car and trailer but can't get out and so carefully moves a couple of bikes a few feet without damaging them, and moves his car, then admits to it. So he's a cunt?

Motherfucker should have run straight over the top of them, then at least you could all bleat about the careless cage driver with no respect that knocked over your precious bikes.

THEY'RE MOTORBIKES, PIECES OF STEEL ON WHEELS THAT CAN BE MOVED WITHOUT CONTRACTING THE LEPROSY! Grow the fuck up people"

A bit more sober today?...

Good thanks mate, I've given up drinking for a couple of days and the head's a bit clearer. Appreciate the concern.

In the seriousness of sobrierty though, Owl knows me well enough to not take me seriously at the best of times. Sober or smashed.

[Smifffy]

Definitely hands off!! The bike is sacred!

Last year my husband popped into a servo in Auckland to fill up with gas. He parked his bike next to the pump (as you do), filled up, and walked into the shop to pay. As he was walking back out, to his absolute horror and disbelief he saw some small fat woman in the process of moving his bike out the way so she could get her car to the pump :angry::angry:

Lucky he came out when he did because she was also in the process of dropping the 1000cc beast onto the tarmac :shit:

Unbelievable!! One thing is for sure - she won't be going near another bike (or biker) again after the earbashing she received that day :innocent:

Jazfender will be along shortly to say:

"But what if the fat lady was an emt and she needed the fuel so that she could go and administer treatment to 25 asthmatic orphans who were suffering from smoke inhalation after their orphanage caught fire, and for every extra second she needed to wait a kitten would die. Of course after she got her fuel, she would then need to risk dropping it a second time in order to put it back where it was, otherwise that would be cheeky."

[Owl]

Owl knows me well enough to not take me seriously at the best of times. Sober or smashed.

Of course!:D

[Max Preload]

What if it had been Angelina Jolie?We could enter into negotiations as to an acceptable remedy for her infringement.

[yod]

Definitely hands off!! The bike is sacred!

Last year my husband popped into a servo in Auckland to fill up with gas. He parked his bike next to the pump (as you do), filled up, and walked into the shop to pay. As he was walking back out, to his absolute horror and disbelief he saw some small fat woman in the process of moving his bike out the way so she could get her car to the pump :angry::angry:

Lucky he came out when he did because she was also in the process of dropping the 1000cc beast onto the tarmac :shit:

Unbelievable!! One thing is for sure - she won't be going near another bike (or biker) again after the earbashing she received that day :innocent:

I've come across that attitude before too, there's a magnificently ignorant group who, for some bizarre reason, are happy to wait for other cars at the pump but think if there's a bike parked there, it should be moved instantly for their convenience. I've actually come out from paying for gas and found a guy parked on an angle across the front of my bike to get to the pump I'd just used, so I had to push the bike out backwards to get out! Idiot.

Or, the nice chap who pulled into the pump ahead of me on an extremely busy day at the Dairy Flat BP when everybody had to wait for a while as it was Labour weekend. But he just got out and went straight inside without filling up, he just couldn't be bothered parking in the carpark as he would have had to walk a bit further to the front door! Fucking inconsiderate wanker.

[R-Soul]

I parked outside of Cycletreads with my family car (with family in) on ahot day to check on the price of a new tyre. While I was inside, some tosser parked their cruiser directly behind my car (when there was ample space to park). Basically a great big "fuck you". When I came out it had been a while, the kids were hot and crying and the wife irritated. I looked insdie for the guy, no answer. I called out inside teh shop. No answer. Eventually I though "Fuck this" and moved the bike. He's damn lucky I didn't just drive over it. By that stage I was quite ready to.

He came up to me while I was moving it (funny how he can see a problem when I move it only, but not before...) and I was waiting for a comment so I could let him have a piece of my mind - but he was quite apologetic - as he should have been!

[avgas]

We could enter into negotiations as to an acceptable remedy for her infringement.
How many kids you want and what countries you want. She can import anything for you.......special deal

[avgas]

As if it's a sacred object to be revered. That's what I don't agree with.
Its called mutual respect.
When you offer up some - you might get some back.
But the way your going I'm surprise people don't piss on your lunch.

[MarkH]

Its called mutual respect.
When you offer up some - you might get some back.
But the way your going I'm surprise people don't piss on your lunch.

As well as on his wheaties? No, that would be going too far!

[PrincessBandit]

I parked outside of Cycletreads with my family car ........... (funny how he can see a problem when I move it only, but not before...) and I was waiting for a comment so I could let him have a piece of my mind - but he was quite apologetic - as he should have been!
Absolutely. A clear example of ignorant (nay, not ignorant, rude) laziness on part of the rider concerned. If there were other places to park then that's what he should have done.

I've come across that attitude before too, there's a magnificently ignorant group who, for some bizarre reason, are happy to wait for other cars at the pump but think if there's a bike parked there, it should be moved instantly for their convenience. I've actually come out from paying for gas and found a guy parked on an angle across the front of my bike to get to the pump I'd just used, so I had to push the bike out backwards to get out! Idiot.

Or, the nice chap who pulled into the pump ahead of me on an extremely busy day at the Dairy Flat BP when everybody had to wait for a while as it was Labour weekend. But he just got out and went straight inside without filling up, he just couldn't be bothered parking in the carpark as he would have had to walk a bit further to the front door! Fucking inconsiderate wanker.
I have no qualms about leaving my bike at a pump while I go in to pay - if it was my car it would be sitting there in all its glory, so why do people take exception if it's a bike? Depending on my mood I might move it forward for them, but as a smallish person with not many muscles I don't want to start the bike up and run the risk of being accused of trying to do a runner. Alternatively by the time I've moved my helmet somewhere safe while I ride it to another spot etc. I may as well have left it where it was and let mr or mrs or miss or ms or thing Car driver wait their jolly turn like everyone else has to.

[swbarnett]

Jazfender will be along shortly to say:

"But what if the fat lady was an emt and she needed the fuel so that she could go and administer treatment to 25 asthmatic orphans who were suffering from smoke inhalation after their orphanage caught fire, and for every extra second she needed to wait a kitten would die. Of course after she got her fuel, she would then need to risk dropping it a second time in order to put it back where it was, otherwise that would be cheeky."
That'd be an easy one to answer. They shouldn't accept the call unless they've got the fuel to complete the job. Imagine if the WestPac chopper had to stop for fuel half way to Great Barrier. :blink:

[Smifffy]

That'd be an easy one to answer. They shouldn't accept the call unless they've got the fuel to complete the job. Imagine if the WestPac chopper had to stop for fuel half way to Great Barrier. :blink:

:facepalm:

But what if the fat lady was the only one with access to enough of the medication to treat all the orphans in time?

These orphans are also victims of scientific experimentation and as yet unknown to anybody else some of them carry genes for immunity to cancer & HIV, so it's imperative that they don't die from smoke inhalation.

And the building has a whole lot of asbestos insulation and giant propane tanks.

And don't you think it would be unreasonable to get upset?

And.....

:facepalm:

[swbarnett]

:facepalm:

But what if the fat lady was the only one with access to enough of the medication to treat all the orphans in time?

These orphans are also victims of scientific experimentation and as yet unknown to anybody else some of them carry genes for immunity to cancer & HIV, so it's imperative that they don't die from smoke inhalation.

And the building has a whole lot of asbestos insulation and giant propane tanks.

And don't you think it would be unreasonable to get upset?

And.....

:facepalm:
A lot like arguing with a priest about the non-existence of God. No matter how logical you get there's always an answer that does not require an ounce of common sense.

[imdying]

Jazfender will be along shortly to say:

"But what if the fat lady was an emt and she needed the fuel so that she could go and administer treatment to 25 asthmatic orphans who were suffering from smoke inhalation after their orphanage caught fire, and for every extra second she needed to wait a kitten would die. Of course after she got her fuel, she would then need to risk dropping it a second time in order to put it back where it was, otherwise that would be cheeky."Meh, I would kill 50 asthmatic orphans with blow darts made from the ribs of kittens before I'd let someone else move my motorcycle... they're orphans, who'd know either way in any case :rolleyes:

You're right though, he's the sort of prick that probably thinks the biker would be in the wrong for holding the bitches head under water for 3 minutes when she got caught doing it :crybaby:

[rocketman1]

He should have left your bike alone, and parked elsewhere.
He has no right to move your bike unless you have trapped him into a no way out situation.
I had that happen to me recently, at a meet at Okororie, but with other bikers, some of them parked so I could not get my bike out.
I looked around to see if the rider of the offending bike was about, then had to move his bike about 1 metre to get mine out.
He may have been pissed to find his bike moved , but I was more pissed to have some inconsiderate rider hem me in.
I was there first.
Moral of the story" be considerate"

[The Singing Chef]

We had one of those scooters with around 8 - 10 wing mirrors ( the ones so that you can do your makeup and check your hair whilst riding) parked behind 4 bikes at mission bay so that we couldn't get out.

Just picked the damn thing up and moved it aside.

But in situations where it doesn't need to be moved that's not on, if only you could piss in their oil.. :devil2:

[jazfender]

You're right though, he's the sort of prick that probably thinks the biker would be in the wrong for holding the bitches head under water for 3 minutes when she got caught doing it :crybaby:

YEAH PROBABLY BRO LOLOL

what's with the biker concept of "an eye for an eye" being "an eye for a torso"?

just out of curiosity and shit.

[kiwi cowboy]

for fuck sakes man, if its MY FUCKING BIKE, nobbody, and I mean fucking NOBODY touches it without losing teeth.
I have on occaision had a parent ask my if they could take a photo of my bike with their kid in it. I say yes, if they are polite, and have asked first.

the point here is RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY, end of fucking story. no excuses. no bullshit. no justifying some lazy useless fucktard cunt putting his fucking fingers on someone elses shit.
IF IT AINT YOURS, DONT FUCKING TOUCH IT.
is that really so hard to understand?
stop trying to troll or justify it.
fuck up.

OH hell man go easy on poor old jas he owns a NZ250 after all:facepalm:

[jazfender]

OH hell man go easy on poor old jas he owns a NZ250 after all:facepalm:

NZ250s rule actually, but it is just a machine in the end.

[kiwi cowboy]

NZ250s rule actually, but it is just a machine in the end.

Ah bugger after your previous posts here i expected a bit bigger bite than that.
Please do better next time.:yes:

[bsasuper]

It's not on.Also whenever I come across a tintop parked in motorcycle only parking, they end up with four slashed tyres.

[Owl]

Also whenever I come across a tintop parked in motorcycle only parking, they end up with four slashed tyres.

So being an ignorant selfish prick is not ok, but being a tyre slashing vandal is?:facepalm:

[FROSTY]

Ya know the other way of looking at it is no harm no foul. The guy was clearly a biker at a track day so I bet was being extra carefull with someone elses stuff.
All I'm really saying is theres bigger shit to get upset over than a fellow biker moving your bike in what apears to be a respectfull manner. It just ain't worth getting all wound up over.
Now if he'da dropped one of the bikes then hey different story altogether.

[Owl]

The guy was clearly a biker at a track day

Actually, I don't think that was the case at all. He certainly wasn't riding and looked to be the gas fetching bitch for "Hyobag Racing":shutup:

[LMFAO]

Some people are so anal with there bikes i worked in a bike shop in melbourne and some customers wouldnt buy a bike off the showroom floor cause someone else had sat on it

[Owl]

Some people are so anal with there bikes i worked in a bike shop in melbourne and some customers wouldnt buy a bike off the showroom floor cause someone else had sat on it

Great first post and welcome to KB. I'm sure you'll fit right in.:facepalm:

Beware of Hitcher!:yes:

[steve_t]

Great first post and welcome to KB. I'm sure you'll fit right in.:facepalm:

Beware of Hitcher!:yes:

LOL. Owl, are you turning into a mini Hitcher? I'm his long lost son but bite my tongue around here :shutup:
Welcome to KB, LMFAO. :sunny:

[swbarnett]

Ya know the other way of looking at it is no harm no foul. The guy was clearly a biker at a track day so I bet was being extra carefull with someone elses stuff.
Why is it so hard to understand that somone (myself included) does not want anyone else to add any extra risk to a prized posession?

If it's legitemately parked and it's not yours DON'T TOUCH IT! Respectfully or otherwise.

[jazfender]

Ya know the other way of looking at it is no harm no foul.

That's pretty much my point but apparently biker gear is sacred and to be revered.
:not:

[Eyegasm]

This whole thread is amazing...

:corn:

[FROSTY]

Why is it so hard to understand that somone (myself included) does not want anyone else to add any extra risk to a prized posession?

If it's legitemately parked and it's not yours DON'T TOUCH IT! Respectfully or otherwise.
Nahh dude I think you are misssing my point.Theres families in Christchurch with no roof over their heads. Theres thousands dead in Japan. Theres a poor bloke in Albany killed by a twisterPeople (maybee even KB people) dying or very sick of cancer and other miserable stuff. Viewed from that prospective someone touching a bit of metal seems so insignificant a thing to get upset over.
Again if the bike was damaged hey I understand but touching it . :facepalm:

[Gibbo13p]

And what about those lazy fk's who don't take there helmet off when the go pay for there gas ....

[Owl]

And what about those lazy fk's who don't take there helmet off when the go pay for there gas ....

I for one don't keep my wallet in my helmet!:blink:

[sunhuntin]

And what about those lazy fk's who don't take there helmet off when the go pay for there gas ....

open facer, so unless i need to take a leak, mine stays on.

[Newo]

And what about those lazy fk's who don't take there helmet off when the go pay for there gas ....

One of the few countries where you can do that (for now) without causing mass panic or fear for loss of life without any consequences. Mind you I guess that depends what part of the country you are in ;)

I do however, remove my helmet.

On the subject of bikes being moved, I personally witnessed some trades people moving a scooter out of the way so he could park his tin can with balloon tires between my work van and the end of the car parks. The fool moved the scooter into the middle of the footpath where there was heavy foot traffic (high st, auckland) and left it there sitting right in front of a shop entrance. In the process of getting it up the kerb he dropped it on its side causing plenty of paint damage.

I was so outraged at the time I swear I could have put his vehicle on its side. Not long after the scooter owner returned and I happily directed his rage towards the culprit.

Knowing what was about to unfold, I got the hell outa dodge.

[over5tayer]

Uni parking gets pretty tight on sunny days... recently this cunt has decided to semi-parallel park his/her bike, taking up more space than is necessary. They have been parking like this for the last week. I left a very polite note on their bike yesterday but found the bike in the exact same place again today (with the note still there). Either they sleep at uni or got fucked up crossing a road (heres hoping).

does this give me the right to move their bike? Its really starting to piss me (and other bikers) off.


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[Bald Eagle]

Uni parking gets pretty tight on sunny days... recently this cunt has decided to semi-parallel park his/her bike, taking up more space than is necessary. They have been parking like this for the last week. I left a very polite note on their bike yesterday but found the bike in the exact same place again today (with the note still there). Either they sleep at uni or got fucked up crossing a road (heres hoping).

does this give me the right to move their bike? Its really starting to piss me (and other bikers) off.




That sort of intelligence indicates it's probably a member of faculty.

[DrunkenMistake]

Uni parking gets pretty tight on sunny days... recently this cunt has decided to semi-parallel park his/her bike, taking up more space than is necessary. They have been parking like this for the last week. I left a very polite note on their bike yesterday but found the bike in the exact same place again today (with the note still there). Either they sleep at uni or got fucked up crossing a road (heres hoping).

does this give me the right to move their bike? Its really starting to piss me (and other bikers) off.


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Lol crack up,
what annoys me is here in town, there are a few spots of like 3 - 4 bike parks painted up in lines, which is great, but the idea been, you back your bike into it so the back wheel is on the downish area of the gutter/road, makes sense.
You park your bike up, go see a movie/get lunch/see some mates/buy something/get a hooker or whatever, come back and some fluf cunt has come straight in so their front wheel is against the gutter forcing them bike to lean over/onto yours, it makes it a super prick to get your bike out without knocking theirs.

[oneofsix]

That sort of intelligence indicates it's probably a member of faculty.

Intelligence or arrogance?
You could try boxing him in, one in front, one behind and a scoter beside their bike. That way you don't have to touch their bike and haven't really done anything wrong. If they parked correctly they would be able to be boxed in. :Wink:

[Blackshear]

how move own bike that was there first
0800 mrplow

Also fuck removing helmets.
Only had that problem ONCE, EVER, at a mobil store that happened to be the same day and store they wanted me to prepay a bike fillup.
I say store, cause that sure as shit isn't a service station.

[jazfender]

does this give me the right to move their bike? Its really starting to piss me (and other bikers) off.

wtf was that pussy-ass note about? Shit wouldn't scare a kitten off a ball of wool.

nahmean?

[Brian d marge]

Uni parking gets pretty tight on sunny days... recently this cunt has decided to semi-parallel park his/her bike, taking up more space than is necessary. They have been parking like this for the last week. I left a very polite note on their bike yesterday but found the bike in the exact same place again today (with the note still there). Either they sleep at uni or got fucked up crossing a road (heres hoping).

does this give me the right to move their bike? Its really starting to piss me (and other bikers) off.


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That bit of parking is munted

But

Ive a feeling that, parking at 90 degrees to the footpath , is actually illegal, not sure someone else can confirm

Anyway from the Me generation thats a perfectly acceptable bit of parking ...I'm alright

Stephen

[swbarnett]

Nahh dude I think you are misssing my point.Theres families in Christchurch with no roof over their heads. Theres thousands dead in Japan. Theres a poor bloke in Albany killed by a twisterPeople (maybee even KB people) dying or very sick of cancer and other miserable stuff. Viewed from that prospective someone touching a bit of metal seems so insignificant a thing to get upset over.
Again if the bike was damaged hey I understand but touching it . :facepalm:
Not missing the point at all. I actually agree with all of what you have said.

However, it is all totally out of context. None of the problems you sight has any direct relevance to my daily life, my bike does.

All I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter if it's someone's pride and joy or a beat up old pile of junk - if it's legitemately parked then it is not to be touched. I was brought up to respect the property of others.

[swbarnett]

does this give me the right to move their bike? Its really starting to piss me (and other bikers) off.
Yes, it most certainly does. As i've always maintained, if a bike is not legimately parked then it's fair game. They threw the first stone by disrespecting the right of at least two other bikes to park.

[Pegasus]

Yes, it most certainly does. As i've always maintained, if a bike is not legimately parked then it's fair game. They threw the first stone by disrespecting the right of at least two other bikes to park.

Maybe it's been pinched and dumped there, if it was not moved overnight??????

Perhaps reporting it to the Police would reunite it with it's owner, and get it out of your way?

[jazfender]

As i've always maintained, if a bike is not legimately parked then it's fair game. They threw the first stone by disrespecting the right of at least two other bikes to park.

There are no lines in that particular park that I can see, so at which angle do you suppose the bike is offending?

[swbarnett]

Maybe it's been pinched and dumped there, if it was not moved overnight??????

Perhaps reporting it to the Police would reunite it with it's owner, and get it out of your way?
Indeed you are correct. I was assuming that it had been seen to come and go prior to one apparent overnight stay.

[swbarnett]

There are no lines in that particular park that I can see, so at which angle do you suppose the bike is offending?
I was working under the assumption that this was a legitimate (as in designated by the University) bike parking area and, as such, parking with courtesy to other riders by minimizing the space each bike is using would simply be good manners. However, you are right that there are no markings or signs apparent in the photo to this affect.

[jazfender]

I was working under the assumption that this was a legitimate (as in designated by the University) bike parking area and, as such, parking with courtesy to other riders by minimizing the space each bike is using would simply be good manners. However, you are right that there are no markings or signs apparent in the photo to this affect.

Right, so what is legitimate is defined by the markings provided by the institution or council body?

As shown in that example, what may be legitimate to the above might not apply so well in the real world.

[PrincessBandit]

Right, so what is legitimate is defined by the markings provided by the institution or council body?

As shown in that example, what may be legitimate to the above might not apply so well in the real world.

There needs to be an understanding of what is legit/legal and what is considerate. If someone is parked legitimately but inconsiderately, there is really little to be done about it (other than leaving them a scary note...watch out kittens ;) )
Despite it pissing you off that they could have parked more appropriately and thinking of others, as long as its legal then it's just a reflection on their selfishness (only thinking about themselves).
Legit parking, regardless of whether it works to your advantage or not as the "latecomer looking for a space" doesn't give you the right to think "oooh, I'll just move that bike a tad that way, then mine can fit right in".

[Smifffy]

Right, so what is legitimate is defined by the markings provided by the institution or council body?

As shown in that example, what may be legitimate to the above might not apply so well in the real world.

I thought you said earlier that legitimacy has nothing to do with it, if it inconveniences someone?

[jazfender]

If someone is parked legitimately but inconsiderately, there is really little to be done about it (other than leaving them a scary note...watch out kittens ;)

Well is it illegal to move someone else's bike or not?

If it is, I would hazard a guess that legislation like that would be designed to prevent people from getting away with fucking with bikes for no reason.


I thought you said earlier that legitimacy has nothing to do with it, if it inconveniences someone?

My point was that you can still be parked "legitimately" as well as "inconsiderately" as demonstrated above. Therefore, whether it is legitimately parked or not has less bearing on the discussion.

[Camshaft]

i saw a note on someones bike today that politely told the person to not park LIKE AN ASSHOLE and be more considerate in future. thats all it takes, id rather some1 leave me harsh works than a key line down my paint or them touching my bike

[PrincessBandit]

Well is it illegal to move someone else's bike or not?



I dunno. Is it?



(I'm sure it's probably not if you want to be pedantic about it - it just pisses the owner off) edit: make that "some owners off" before you accuse me of ignoring those on here who said it should be ok.

[swbarnett]

Right, so what is legitimate is defined by the markings provided by the institution or council body?
Where they exist, yes. Off hand I can't think of a situation where parking in accordance with designated markings could be inconsiderate. Taking up a full car space with only one or two bikes I would not consider inconsiderate because the space is intended for only one vehicle anyway. Doing the same in a bike park (a car space or larger that's designated m/cycles only with no markings other than at the ends) on the other hand would be both illegitimate and inconsiderate (Which is how I initially appraised the situation referred to at Auckland uni).


As shown in that example, what may be legitimate to the above might not apply so well in the real world.
I thought about this and a question occurrs to me: In a bike park is it legally required that a bike be parked at right angles to the curb or is this just common courtesy because it allows the largest number of bikes to fit in the park?

[Max Preload]

open facer, so unless i need to take a leak, mine stays on.:blink:
I'm not even going to ask where you piss from that makes that necessary.

[jazfender]

(I'm sure it's probably not if you want to be pedantic about it - it just pisses the owner off) edit: make that "some owners off" before you accuse me of ignoring those on here who said it should be ok.

you need your own thread to talk to yourself..


Where they exist, yes.

So where they don't, what?



I thought about this and a question occurrs to me: In a bike park is it legally required that a bike be parked at right angles to the curb or is this just common courtesy because it allows the largest number of bikes to fit in the park?

Objectively, you would assume that the total area is what designates a space to park but you could argue that that space cannot be defined at all without lines to constrain it. it's whether the lines inside provide any kind of order aaaaand fuck i'm way too high for this.

[Owl]

Well is it illegal to move someone else's bike or not?


I dunno. Is it?


It's called unlawfully interfering with a motor vehicle.

Hopefully that'll clear it up.

Perhaps I should've added "Unfair Ticket" to the thread title. Then our resident officer's would've been chewing their arms off to read it.:laugh:

[sunhuntin]

:blink:
I'm not even going to ask where you piss from that makes that necessary.

i get glared at enough for daring to use the ladies that im not going to wear the helmet and risk all out war, lol. was in the locker room at the gym yesterday putting my rain gear on, shoulda seen the look on the chicks faces when they saw me in there. :facepalm:

[Smifffy]

From a cursory glance at the crimes act, the charge of interfering with a motor vehicle would not apply to someone who with honest intentions moved a bike:

226 Conversion of vehicle or other conveyance

(1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who, dishonestly and without claim of right, but not so as to be guilty of theft, takes or uses for his or her own purposes or another person's purposes—

(a) any vehicle, ship, or aircraft; or

(b) any part of any vehicle, ship, or aircraft; or

(c) any horse.

(2) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who attempts to commit the offence in subsection (1) or who, dishonestly and without claim of right, interferes with, or gets into or upon, any vehicle, ship, or aircraft.


The assault charge arising from responding to such an act would, however probably stick.

Fair enough I guess.

[Brayden]

Parking is tight at university so everyone is usually cool with moving bikes and scooter out of the way. If I can I will move a scooter instead of a bike. Also the 50cc's you can just pick up with 2 hands and completely move wherever you want

[theseekerfinds]

Parking is tight at university so everyone is usually cool with moving bikes and scooter out of the way. If I can I will move a scooter instead of a bike. Also the 50cc's you can just pick up with 2 hands and completely move wherever you want

I find that as the motorcycle parks fill up the gaps between bikes/scooters become inconsistent and I have had to shuffle over the odd 50cc scooter, always being careful not to let it touch the neighbouring bike, I only like to move the scooters though as they are easier to lift and less likely to cause problems with scooter or owner.. I wouldn't move a bike because of steering locks, disc locks and alarms..
I try to find spots where no moving is necessary but with so many scooters and bikes coming into Wellington these days it's either move and squeeze in or walk for friggin miles from some out of the way park.. yes I am a lazy arse :D

[PrincessBandit]

you need your own thread to talk to yourself..



Nah dork, I don't think so. I've just learnt that some people here need the "words of one syllable" variety of clarification. I think you're one of them.

[jazfender]

Nah dork, I don't think so. I've just learnt that some people here need the "words of one syllable" variety of clarification. I think you're one of them.

I think you're trolling..

[PrincessBandit]

I think you're trolling..

Well I don't normally feed trolls, but I've made an exception for you.

[jazfender]

Well I don't normally feed trolls, but I've made an exception for you.

why me? is it my beautiful blue eyes? :love:

[Owl]

why me? is it my beautiful blue eyes? :love:

Must be, cause I doubt it's your spotty cock!:laugh:

[swbarnett]

So where they don't, what?
Where there are no markings or signs whatsoever, except where specifically stated in law (across entrance ways for instance), I would say that how ever a vehicle is parked is OK with the caveat that common courtesy must play a role. Exactly what constitures common courtesy at the time is, of course, up for debate. It is something where people are often at odds.

[varminter]

[QUOTE=jazfender;1130061021]Well is it illegal to move someone else's bike or not?

A couple of feet probably not, down the road, round the corner and it to your garage quite likely:yes:

[jazfender]

Must be, cause I doubt it's your spotty cock!:laugh:

it's camouflage for when it's deep in the bush...


Where there are no markings or signs whatsoever, except where specifically stated in law (across entrance ways for instance), I would say that how ever a vehicle is parked is OK with the caveat that common courtesy must play a role. Exactly what constitures common courtesy at the time is, of course, up for debate. It is something where people are often at odds.

Right, but if common courtesy isn't displayed you can't do shit? Fuck that.

EDIT: And as a further point, how sacred and revered is that asshole's bike going to look to you when they've taken the last of the space?

[Smifffy]

Common courtesy, like common sense is misnamed, neither is at all common these days, even less so, I would expect, at a university.

[ynot slow]

Be interesting at Manfeild tomorrow,usually more bikes ridden(good weather expected)to event,hmm maybe fun.

[swbarnett]

Right, but if common courtesy isn't displayed you can't do shit? Fuck that.
I obviously wasn't clear. If common courtesy isn't displayed then it could be said that some adjustment to the bike's position may be justified.


EDIT: And as a further point, how sacred and revered is that asshole's bike going to look to you when they've taken the last of the space?
If the space is full then it's full. I may be annoyed but I'm not going to move it. I'd rather not put my bike in a position where it's likely to get scratched anyway.

[Oblivion]

I obviously wasn't clear. If common courtesy isn't displayed then it could be said that some adjustment to the bike's position may be justified.


If the space is full then it's full. I may be annoyed but I'm not going to move it. I'd rather not put my bike in a position where it's likely to get scratched anyway.

Thats why I like to be an ass and take up a whole carpark. Don't wanna get busted for parking on the footpath..... :shutup:

And, of course I leave space for another bike if one so happens to come along and needs a park. :yes:

[Sable]

I like moving scooters to the bottom of convenient hills and on top of bus shelters.