40 demerits is it worth it?

[Redstar]

went to New plymouth on Friday last got a ticket for speeding
dam it. now this is my story.
doing 105 ish down a big steep hill just before the awakino gorge some place starting with M but anyway this hill three lanes down hill anyway saw the 50klms temp for road works but rounded a gentle right and pinged at 81 klms not more than 100m in the zone. $300 plus 40 merit points.
I was real nice to the man but he hit me anyway.
so I recon I was real hard done by this time but is it worth writing to the police and point out the sillyness of it all?
Has anyone here ever got a let off for writing in to the police? if so how did you do it? were you greasing or firm whats the secret?
of shall I just pay up and move on? is a court hearing expensive and how much? If there are any traffic Police listening
F**K UP frankly

[MikeL]

Here's my suggestion:
Write a polite, conciliatory letter pointing out the facts as you have outlined them, and asking for the ticket to be withdrawn because of the circumstances (unexpected roadworks, slowing down, only 100m into the zone etc.) Your letter will be ignored and they will send you a reminder notice. Write again, referring to your first letter (attach a copy) and say that you quite understand that they have been too busy to give your letter the consideration it undoubtedly deserves (the subtle irony will be lost on them but it will make you feel superior). Ask for some specific information, e.g. what the tolerance is when slowing down from 100 to 50km/hr, or whether you are expected to decelerate instantaneously the moment you pass the50 km/h sign. As long as your sarcasm it subtle it will also be lost on them. Finish your letter by expressing the confident expectation that you will hear from them soon, and that they will have given serious thought to your request. Since you have asked a specific question (two would be better) they may well feel obliged to reply. This will require the expenditure of mental energy and the application of intelligence and may therefore fall into the "too hard" category. It may be easier for them to send you a form letter withdrawing the ticket.
No guarantee it will work (especially if you address the letter to "You f***ing b*stards") but worth a try.
Good luck!

[Racey Rider]

Good job MikeL!
Makes me want to write that letter myself,, and I haven't even got a ticket!

Temp speed road signs are undermined I reck'n, by The road crews that seem to leave them up a lot longer than necessary (to cover their liablity 110%), so we all get used to not slowing down the full amount until we can see the hazard.

[Sharkey]

I agree RR. There is a new bridge going over Puhinui Rd, connecting the Sth western Mway with Roscommon Rd. For months now there has been Temp 50 signs out, but little in the way of work. It is exceptionally frustrating, because the cops have targeted it as easy pickings. I have seen too many people pulled over to speed there (much) myself, but that's not the point. The lower limit is to provide a safe working environment for contractors (as a contractor I like this), but I noone is working!?!?! It simply makes the whole thing more unsafe.

Roading contractors need to sort themselves out.

[MikeL]

Sharkey, that temporary 50 k zone at the Puhinui interchange is an excellent example of the contempt that those in positions of authority have for road users, as well as the lack of common sense that I have written about elsewhere. I use that road frequently, and for the last 6 weeks at least I have seen absolutely no evidence of continuing work that would justify the 50 k limit. The majority of motorists ignore it, but as you say they risk a ticket. If I get one I will certainly challenge it. It almost looks like a deliberate provocation to disobey the law (easy revenue-gathering!) A few minutes with a video camera by the roadside would prove the point. I did a similar exercise when I got a ticket last year for riding in the emergency stopping strip on the southern motorway, when the traffic was stopped. Arguing that "everybody does it" might seem pointless when there is a clear breach of the law, but in fact it does emphasize the unfairness of random or selective enforcement of victimless crimes, and if enough people object it might eventually cause a change of attitude. At the very least by challenging the infringement you put them to some inconvenience in having to reply and deal with it. Make them earn their money, the b*stards!

[Jackrat]

Red,In the situation you have described I would definately do as Mike sujests.If you have no luck there,Then take it to court,(THEY HATE THAT) First Time up use the duty solicitor to enter a no plea,
(They hate that too).This will give you time to apply for legal aid,(They hate that even more)So far this should cost you nothing,
When you go to court for the second Time enter,No plea again and demand full disclosure of all evidence by the cop involed,By the way you should by this time have applyed to have the case heard in your local court as well,(make em, work for it.)This is your right so use it.On your third court date you will have all the evidence and detailed statment from the copper involved.You and your legal aid rep, can now argue every point of evidence,Things to look for in the cops statment is time of offence,If the cop has not stated the offence took place at appoximately a time,but rather stated a set time,you can challenge his time keeping.
This may sound like a small thing but it works, as the cop is not allowed to state a set time,His speed gun evidence is only a very small part of the picture,Challange his perseption of weather conditions,Challange the positioning of the road signs.
If you have even a half assed lawyer they will know these things
already.
Mate it may sound a bit far fetched but,I recevied training from the Australian Fedrel Police along with NIRTC,The fore most investigation and research training school in Australasia.
If you can draw it out an screw them around enough they will give it up as the costs to them are to high.If by chance you end up with a crap lawyer you can sack him in court and get yet another continuance.(They hate that more than anything)but it is your right so use it.If you do wish to do this,do so as soon as you are called to the bench,You do not have to give reason even if the Judge asks for it,Just be polite is all.If you play your cards right you will have the cop having to travel to your local court,not his,You won,t pay a thing in lawyers fees,You will cause the cop to write out his statement in triplicate along with any evidence he may have.Your appearance in court costs the state around $600 a time and you can only ever be made to pay a very small amount of that if you do lose.And then if they don,t get sick of being messed about,as a last resort you plea (no contest) just to let them know they have been played.Remember the fine can,t go up
so what do you have to lose??

[matthewt]

What time of the day were you pinged ??

I've heard of cases where the temporary restriction was only when road crews were actually working and people done after-hours have managed to get off.

Worth a try.

[jrandom]

Originally posted by MikeL
I did a similar exercise when I got a ticket last year for riding in the emergency stopping strip on the southern motorway, when the traffic was stopped

Right on bro. If we get off our lazy arses and fight the stupidity and revenue-gathering, who knows, it could make a difference. I should have done the same when *I* got a ticket for using the emergency strip to get past stopped traffic.

The only reason I got that ticket was because using the strip enabled me to cruise happily at a decent speed past the traffic and I didn't notice the cop up ahead... now I just filter everywhere in lane 2A with my spidey sense on full alert. Using the strip *has* to be safer but will they ever acknowledge that... noooooo...

[Big Dog]

According to the road code posted speed limits are to be adhered to from the sign post to the next posted limit. technically they can do you if you pass the sign above the new limit. However with temporay sign you are required to slow to the posted limit as early as is safe to do so, as it is not credible that every person who puts out the roadsigns will have a degree in civil engineering. Hell some of the people I have seen putting them out look like they would have trouble spelling their own name.

I could be wrong but look it up, but that was on my h/t test and that was only 4-5 years ago.

[wkid_one]

Pay up - you were caught fair and square.

In Australia you get DOUBLE demerit points if caught speeding in a temporary speed zone due to construction etc - and NZ is looking in to this also - you have a fat chance of getting off this given the current focus on this.

If it was clearly sign posted as you indicate it was - you are probably fucked.

As for fighting it is caught - huge fucken rigmaroll and time for something you may not get off - too many ifs and buts.

These days - I know of very few people who have got off of tickets - and unless they have made a blatent mistake (like written bicycle on your ticket) - you won't get off. 

The cop will just say he ticketed 20 other people that day for the same offence and none of them got off.

This whinging about tickets is getting old hat - it is not like they are hiding the speed limits from us - we know the rules, we see the signs, we choose to speed...don't whinge when you get caught.  In the words of Jack - boooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaring - we always appear to be standing on the same soapbox

[SPman]

Originally posted by wkid_one
Pay up - you were caught fair and square.

Bullshit! Theres no such thing as being caught fair and square!


In Australia you get DOUBLE demerit points if caught speeding in a temporary speed zone due to construction etc - and NZ is looking in to this also - you have a fat chance of getting off this given the current focus on this.

So what. We all know how fukt aussie road rules generally are - except for the LTSA who slavishly follow everything Vicroads do!

 


As for fighting it is caught - huge fucken rigmaroll and time for something you may not get off - too many ifs and buts.

Its NEVER a waste of time fighting bullshit laws or enforcement methods - Kiwis tend to roll over and take it up the arse far to damn often!

 


The cop will just say he ticketed 20 other people that day for the same offence and none of them got off.

So what!


This whinging about tickets is getting old hat - it is not like they are hiding the speed limits from us - we know the rules, we see the signs, we choose to speed...don't whinge when you get caught.  In the words of Jack - boooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaring - we always appear to be standing on the same soapbox

Sounds just like a politician! 

[marty]

ask for full disclosure, don't ask for for anything specific, just full disclosure.

included should be:

the officer's copy of the ticket (front and rear)

a copy of the stalker/laser log book for the day

a copy of the patrol car speedo calibration

you can ask for the operation/training manual for the stalker/laser (makes good reading if nothing else)

you won't get the stalker wiring digrams, case law has deemed that is sensitive to the manufacturer, and no amount of asking for it will get it.

once you've got that, you can take the stuff apart, and see if there's any technical defence. tell me when you have, and if you want i'll have a look at it

[130wide]

I've gotten off 3 tickets out of 7 by writing a letter. That's only writing once and not the way MikeL has explain, mikes way, I would probably got me off another 1 or 2.
Try the letter , if all else fails, next time do a runner, 50/50 chance no demittes and you don't have to write a letter.:2thumbsup

[Jackrat]

Do a runner??
You would be amazed how fast it is to see and remember a plate if you have been trained to do so.
Just take it to court if the letter fails,You can drag it out for over a year no sweat,an just because the cop booked others for the same thing means nothing,I mean where are they anyway,have any of the sheep challenged the ticket.
Remember the cost can,t go up and you don,t lose your points until found guilty,If you are already short on the points thing draging it out may just save your licence.Then if you lose you can just pay it off at ten bucks aweek for however long.Remember it is your right to challange these things,an don,t let some EX biker from wellington say other wise.
And Wicked would you mind not quoting me on unrelated subjects.
The man is not whinging he is seeking advice.

[Lou Girardin]

When you write to the cops, ask the purpose of the speed restriction. If it was for new seal, there's a time limit that the signs may be up. If it was for another purpose, check if it tallies with the situation at the time, eg. were works actually going on.
Don't just accept it and be another Governmentally sodomised cash machine.
Lou

[130wide]

You do the runner before the cop sees you, not while he's been sitting behind you taking notes Doh. If the cop is coming the oppisite way no problems by the time he's turned your gone, just make sure you know where to hide up the road and sit for 30-40 mins till it clears.
Has worked for me a few times.

[scumdog]

A couple of points: if you get to the stage that Jackrat suggested ("pay it off at $10 week") it will cost you heaps as buy the time you get to that stage a whole lot more "costs" have been added.

Also about this thing where "I was within 100 or 200 metres of the sign", it use to be tha cops had a gentlemans agreement not to ping anyone within 250 metres of any change in speed limit, however Joe Public screws it up for the rest of us by defending his ticket by going back to the spot where he got pinged and measured the distance from the sign and claiming he "was only 247 metres from the sign which is less than the required 250 metres so you can't do me" - the judge threw that out and he had to pay and one of the cop bosses turned around and said "screw them, we don't HAVE to cut them that 250 metre "buffer", we can do them as soon as they are inside the lower speed" and that people, is how come you can be "done" when you aren't far inside the 50 or 70 or whatever if your'e still too fast.
Marry Christmas:D

[Marcus]

A friend, who wears a uniform (not a cop though) told me that, to be legal, there must be two speed signs, one each side of the road and parallel to each other showing the limit.

I'm not sure of the actual legal stuff but, on checking various roadworks around Wellington, a number have only one sign, whereas all the fixed signs are parallel and one each side.

I've also seen a number of temporary limits with two parallel signs and one each side or the road but facing different directions and with different limits (into and out of the temp zone).

Anyone know more about this?

[Jackrat]

Scumdog,Yeah you have a point,one could just let them wipe their feet on ya,.
I bet the Gov,t would just love that,a free hand to do what ever they liked.As to your comment it will cost heaps,,I was charged with careless use three years ago,After draging it out for twelve months I walked out of court $300 down and I still had my licence.
Had I copped it like a good little boy I would have lost my licence and still had to pay the same.For me to have lost my licence at that stage would have cost me around $300 a day.
One up to the Rat I would say.

[Coldkiwi]

Originally posted by Jackrat

You would be amazed how fast it is to see and remember a plate if you have been trained to do so

hehe, you haven't seen 130wide's bike have you jack? he's got a little modification for just such occasions but I'll say no more other than the cop would need a very long neck to see it  :p

valid point though for the rest of us unless you are good at popping wheelies on demand and still fancy getting away after doing a mono long enough to pull away so they can't read your plate!

 

[scumdog]

Scumdog,Yeah you have a point,one could just let them wipe their feet on ya,.
I bet the Gov,t would just love that,a free hand to do what ever they liked.As to your comment it will cost heaps,,I was charged with careless use three years ago,After draging it out for twelve months I walked out of court $300 down and I still had my licence.
Had I copped it like a good little boy I would have lost my licence and still had to pay the same.For me to have lost my licence at that stage would have cost me around $300 a day.
One up to the Rat I would say.

Jackrat, what I was trying to say regarding the paying off of fines is that AFTER you realise you are going to have to pay the fine (by being found guilty/admitting your guilt) AND you get to the stage where you can "pay it off" you have already gone down the road a bit to the point the Court is going to add costs to the fine - check it out (I MAY be wrong but in my experience a whole shit load of paperwork has gone out to you hinting you might like to pay up before you get to the "pay it off" situation, i.e. Judgement Debtor etc.

[Jackrat]

Jackrat, what I was trying to say regarding the paying off of fines is that AFTER you realise you are going to have to pay the fine (by being found guilty/admitting your guilt) AND you get to the stage where you can "pay it off" you have already gone down the road a bit to the point the Court is going to add costs to the fine - check it out (I MAY be wrong but in my experience a whole shit load of paperwork has gone out to you hinting you might like to pay up before you get to the "pay it off" situation, i.e. Judgement Debtor etc.

Once the coppers request a court date you should no longer receive any more reminders.
I don,t totaly disagree with your point of view.
I am/was looking at it from the point of view of preserving your licence,rather than the up front costs.Or I may just be trying to save. face. ;)
That brings up another issue that am sure you will be aware of.
LEGAL AID,,This one really gets up me nose.
We resently had a young over seas student apply for and receive legal aid,all the while his parents are trying to buy off the victims family to the tune of $40,000.There must be something wrong with THAT picture. :mad:

[Redstar]

Thanks for all the advice both legal technical and waste of time.
I recon I'll pay up and move on but hell its getting really boreing
why cant the police consentrate on real crime think how safe we would be if the real police were half as effective? Traffic cops are dicks frankly

[igor]

Red,In the situation you have described I would definately do as Mike sujests.If you have no luck there,Then take it to court,(THEY HATE THAT) First Time up use the duty solicitor to enter a no plea,
(They hate that too).This will give you time to apply for legal aid,(They hate that even more)So far this should cost you nothing,
When you go to court for the second Time enter,No plea again and demand full disclosure of all evidence by the cop involed,By the way you should by this time have applyed to have the case heard in your local court as well,(make em, work for it.)This is your right so use it.On your third court date you will have all the evidence and detailed statment from the copper involved.You and your legal aid rep, can now argue every point of evidence,Things to look for in the cops statment is time of offence,If the cop has not stated the offence took place at appoximately a time,but rather stated a set time,you can challenge his time keeping.
This may sound like a small thing but it works, as the cop is not allowed to state a set time,His speed gun evidence is only a very small part of the picture,Challange his perseption of weather conditions,Challange the positioning of the road signs.
If you have even a half assed lawyer they will know these things
already.
Mate it may sound a bit far fetched but,I recevied training from the Australian Fedrel Police along with NIRTC,The fore most investigation and research training school in Australasia.
If you can draw it out an screw them around enough they will give it up as the costs to them are to high.If by chance you end up with a crap lawyer you can sack him in court and get yet another continuance.(They hate that more than anything)but it is your right so use it.If you do wish to do this,do so as soon as you are called to the bench,You do not have to give reason even if the Judge asks for it,Just be polite is all.If you play your cards right you will have the cop having to travel to your local court,not his,You won,t pay a thing in lawyers fees,You will cause the cop to write out his statement in triplicate along with any evidence he may have.Your appearance in court costs the state around $600 a time and you can only ever be made to pay a very small amount of that if you do lose.And then if they don,t get sick of being messed about,as a last resort you plea (no contest) just to let them know they have been played.Remember the fine can,t go up
so what do you have to lose??

man u r anal, go back to aussie. :whocares:

it is in police policy that no ticket shall b issued within 250 metres of a posted speed change.

thats if u were actually checked within 250m of limit change

[igor]

Scumdog,Yeah you have a point,one could just let them wipe their feet on ya,.
I bet the Gov,t would just love that,a free hand to do what ever they liked.As to your comment it will cost heaps,,I was charged with careless use three years ago,After draging it out for twelve months I walked out of court $300 down and I still had my licence.
Had I copped it like a good little boy I would have lost my licence and still had to pay the same.For me to have lost my licence at that stage would have cost me around $300 a day.
One up to the Rat I would say.

is that a chip on ya shoulder or ya head

only a halfwit would lose there licence for Careless Driving, most are fines around $200 :whocares:

[Jackrat]

is that a chip on ya shoulder or ya head

only a halfwit would lose there licence for Careless Driving, most are fines around $200 :whocares:

An if I want to hear somebody moaning to me I would come around an fuck your mother.BUT :sick:

[Nouseforaname]

only a halfwit would lose there licence for Careless Driving, most are fines around $200 :whocares:


Well then...... i lost my licence for 6months for dangerous driving, i get it back it 4 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Plus my fine was $430.....

Im not a half-wit but i still managed

[igor]

When you write to the cops, ask the purpose of the speed restriction. If it was for new seal, there's a time limit that the signs may be up. If it was for another purpose, check if it tallies with the situation at the time, eg. were works actually going on.
Don't just accept it and be another Governmentally sodomised cash machine.
Lou

the time limit for new seal

[igor]

Well then...... i lost my licence for 6months for dangerous driving, i get it back it 4 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Plus my fine was $430.....

Im not a half-wit but i still managed

yes that cause the minimum disqualification for dangerous driving is 6 months disqualification. also u could of been sent to prison for up to 3 months and a maximum fine of $4500. Dangerous is heard b a District Court Judge.

where as careless driving has a maximum fine of $3000 and a disqualification at the courts discretion. These matters r usually heard b4 a Community magistrate who is softer than a Judge and only disqualifies halfwits with huge previous history

P.S. Pays to read something b4 u answer so u don't look like a halfwit for replying with a stoooopid answer :ar15: :ar15:

[igor]

An if I want to hear somebody moaning to me I would come around an fuck your mother.BUT :sick:

at least i know me mother. unlike u i ant a six finger banjo playing web footed bush lawyer boy.

stop wharring on with shit unless ya know what ya talking about or r also the Iraqi minister of mis information

PS change ya non de plume to "Jackass" its more fitting :banana:

:banana: over and out

[Jackrat]

at least i know me mother. unlike u i ant a six finger banjo playing web footed bush lawyer boy.

stop wharring on with shit unless ya know what ya talking about or r also the Iraqi minister of mis information

PS change ya non de plume to "Jackass" its more fitting :banana:

:banana: over and out

Yeah I know her too.
The doc, says the rash will go away in time.
Pity that won,t work for a half baked penis exstension like you. :puke:

[Nouseforaname]

yes that cause the minimum disqualification for dangerous driving is 6 months disqualification. also u could of been sent to prison for up to 3 months and a maximum fine of $4500. Dangerous is heard b a District Court Judge.

where as careless driving has a maximum fine of $3000 and a disqualification at the courts discretion. These matters r usually heard b4 a Community magistrate who is softer than a Judge and only disqualifies halfwits with huge previous history

P.S. Pays to read something b4 u answer so u don't look like a halfwit for replying with a stoooopid answer :ar15: :ar15:

No shit! the reason i bought my case up was because you say that someone who gets done for careless is a half-wit, then i was wondering what you would call me for getting done dangerous driving.

[igor]

No shit! the reason i bought my case up was because you say that someone who gets done for careless is a half-wit, then i was wondering what you would call me for getting done dangerous driving.

I wasn't belittlin anyone except the guy who knows it all. can't remember his name

he milked he case out and played the system and thought he won

he didn't, it would of been cheaper to plead guilty early.

he was happy cause he didn't get a disqualification, he never was gunna get one unless he was a halfwit with a huge history as i explained in my other post.

he has an us - them mentallity.

now he has broken into making insults which he wouldn't get 1/10 for in the real world

looks like he is another capital "L"

thats short for loser in my line of work

[Jackrat]

I wasn't belittlin anyone except the guy who knows it all. can't remember his name

he milked he case out and played the system and thought he won

he didn't, it would of been cheaper to plead guilty early.

he was happy cause he didn't get a disqualification, he never was gunna get one unless he was a halfwit with a huge history as i explained in my other post.

he has an us - them mentallity.

now he has broken into making insults which he wouldn't get 1/10 for in the real world

looks like he is another capital "L"

thats short for loser in my line of work

Hey Egor you posted the first insult,If you can,t cop the reply.piss off.
Your claim of only about a $200 fine for careless is wrong.
As for my insults geting 1/10.
Your own are just a repeat of the last time you came on and made a twat of yourself.Check your last few posts.Pretty sad huh!

[BugSplat]

The messages we send:

Take it on the nose & just pay – says we enjoy roadside taxation & want to keep being routinely shafted.

Defend a doubtful ticket – says there’s no profit issuing doubtful tickets, so if an ‘Officer’ isn’t convinced a Court will uphold the charge, then it’s best for them to let you off with a warning.

Defend, defend, defend all the time every time – says roadside taxation will become un-profitable, the cops will be spending 80 %+ of their time in court & not meeting their quotas. The Government will be loosing money on ‘Roadside Taxation’ and, God willing, we’ll see more realistic enforcement policies that are really safety based & not just revenue collecting.

There were over 1.5 million roadside taxation notices issued a year.
Consider the court time to process all these if we all stand up for our rights:

Say there are 40 courts working on nothing else, they schedule 10 cases per day, 255 days a year, It would take more than 14 years to process 1 years worth of tickets. Now if you throw in some of Jackrat’s suggestions & each ticket means 3 court dates we’re talking 42 years to process.
Even a politician is going to have to accept that that’s not sustainable.

Remember, we managed to get rid of the “Broadcasting License Tax” by making it cost more to collect than was actually collected.

[marty]

The messages we send:
Say there are 40 courts working on nothing else, they schedule 10 cases per day, 255 days a year, It would take more than 14 years to process 1 years worth of tickets. Now if you throw in some of Jackrat’s suggestions & each ticket means 3 court dates we’re talking 42 years to process.
you've obviously never sat thru a defended court hearing. a speeding ticket can easily take 90 minutes to process in a not guilty forum, court starts at 10am, breaks at 11 for 15 mins, again at 1 until 2.15, then til it finishes. they generally don't start new cases after lunch. you would be lucky to process 5 hours of sitting time in court in a day - that's a maximum of 3 cases per day.

then there's the issue of getting justices of the peace to sit (they need 2, on minimum/voluteer basis) - judges don't sit on minor non-imprisonable traffic matters.

one good way of getting rid of a careless driving charge is to get it transferred to a busy court (auckland central/otahuhu/north shore), plead guilty by letter, say i'm very sorry i won't do it again and i've learned from my mistake, and that i've been to an upskill course (maybe a trackday) to prevent me from misbehaving again.

in my experience that almost always results in a 'convicted and discharged', or even a 'discharge without conviction' sentence.

to those of you who won't admit to anything, just defend it. don't defend yourself though - you'll only end up looking like an idiot. weigh up the costs - lawyer, minimum $1000.

[SpankMe]

<img src="/forums/images/smilies/oi.gif"> Igor and jackrat, <img src="/forums/images/smilies/playnice.gif"><br /><br />

[Jackrat]

<img src="/forums/images/smilies/oi.gif"> Igor and jackrat, <img src="/forums/images/smilies/playnice.gif"><br /><br />

Fair enough :rolleyes: :yes:

[mangell6]

Igor and JackRat, Daddy SpankMe is being mean. :disapint:

Has anyone read the article in the North and South magazine for November 2003.

The Police expect a 30% increase in the total rode toll collected next year.

The like this 'speeding' thing because it is cut and dry, no "decision making" or "judgements" to be made, The posted speed limit is X and you were exceeding it by a minimum of 10km, therefore you have broken the law.

The magazine has a big 50k speed sign on the cover.

One ticket, open road NO ONE on my side of the road for over 1500m, 55 demerits. Only 3½ months untill I am clean again and then I can really thrash it.

Ah well . . . .

[Racey Rider]

....You and your legal aid rep, can now argue every point of evidence,Things to look for in the cops statment is time of offence,If the cop has not stated the offence took place at appoximately a time,but rather stated a set time,you can challenge his time keeping.
This may sound like a small thing but it works, as the cop is not allowed to state a set time,His speed gun evidence is only a very small part of the picture,

My Ticket (9/1/04) has a set time written on it. 1358 (two minutes to two).
73k in a 50k zone. Didn't see if the muffty cop was parked or coming towards me at the time he read the "Alleged speed" , Had other things on my mind. Am unsure what speed my speedo read.
Not a good start I know, but as I'm self employed, and can easily find time to go to court, Would it be worth a go? Fine cost $170, 35 Demerit points. They are my only current demerit points, and $170 isn't that much, but still worth saving. Then theirs the insurance company's that will want to know.
What else would I find out by asking for "Full Disclosure"?
Racey. - (On the track only officer!)

[wkid_one]

Not a good start I know, but as I'm self employed, and can easily find time to go to court, Would it be worth a go? Fine cost $170, 35 Demerit points. They are my only current demerit points, and $170 isn't that much, but still worth saving.

$170 - hardly a deterrent really. It would be interesting to do the maths on this. Should the Government/Police put the fine up - there would no doubt be an expected drop in the number of fines issued. Do they then think it is better to keep the fines low and get more of them - than increase the dollar amount per individual fine - but risk a strongly positive correlation in the drop in offenses. Therefore are they scared that

a x b > c x d where

a = present fine
b = present number of infringements
c = new higher fine
d = new number of infringements based on increased fine

Because surely if they wish to reduce the road toll - they need to get tougher with the penalties?? No different than for more serious crimes.

You can have a sustained loss of traction from the lights - and have you car impounded. OR travel at 73 in a 50 zone and get a $170 fine and keep on the road - which is more dangerous in reality? Don't the consequences seem arse about face??

Sorry son - your exhaust is too loud. However you were driving at 45 in a 50 zone and your car is immaculately maintained. Here is a sticker get off the road. Oh but you Mr Socially Irresponsible doing 69 in a 50 zone - here is a $150 ticket - be on your way?????

[marty]

you'll get to see the back of the officers copy of the ticket - it should have info about the readout and antenna, the cops ground speed, the location of the offence (between whatever roads), when they were qualified to use the radar, etc etc....

[Jackrat]

As a self employed person you will not be eligable for legal aid.
It would help if you were a student with a spare $40.000 to bribe your victims family with,Oh sorry no victim aye!!
Your lawyer will cost you more than the fine.
You could/should still write in and try a hard line story but it's really time to cop it sweet.

[k14]

I totally agree with bugsplat!!

Dont just lie down and take it like a prison bitch!!! Write letters and more letters. Send them to your MP, the prime minister, the governor general, every tom dick and harry at the LTSA and also all the police heads of new zealand and also your region. Make sure you document the CC's at the bottom of the letter so that everyone knows who you have sent it to.

In the letter you should probably admit that you were speeding, but say that it was a joke to give you a fine for doing what you did and that the road works werent even an issue. That the road was at it's normally low standards and that if signs are there signs should be from the start of Mt Messenger to just before Te Kuiti.

Just keep writing and writing.

Being on 70 demerits for the next 11 months myself. I have to drive quite cautiously and make sure i slow down everywhere and virtually never exceed more than 10kph over the limit.

I just took my first speeding fine, 130 in a 100 on a passing lane, lying down. Now that i have had a further 35 demerits added to my total, i regret not trying to get it cancelled.

If you do get caught fair and square in the next 2 years then you will be 1 ticket away from no licence for 6 months. Just think how much that will suck.

[Marmoot]

If you happen to get a disclosure over the specifications of the laser gun (or radar, etc), can I have a copy?

[marty]

you won't get the specs of the laser or radar - they are held only by esr, and they won't release it (falls in line with the HUNT/TOLICH eba decision).

[scumdog]

A lot of advice given is not based on the innocence or otherwise of the "ticket" recipient, rather it is "how you can get off for something you actually did" - if you get pinged fair and square don't waffle on about "how do you know it is the exact time" - the cop only has to have "reasonably informed" the offending driver/rider, maybe you could look at his watch at the time to check in case it is two minutes fast???
I've just come back from a rally and after being passed by "squids" on their sports bike on the crest of a hill/double yellow lines I have to agree the penalties are arse-about-face, the life of myself and my pillion put at risk because some arse-wipe was too impatient to wait 15 seconds until they were over the hill, the penalty? $150 if they get reported!!b.t.w, I was behind two cars and a truck so the "squid" was on the wrong side of the road for more than a second or two - imagine if another bike had been coming the other way doing the same thing?

[Lou Girardin]

Stalker specs are available on the web. Frequency, sample rate, accuracy ( which is quite different to what our cops claim) etc.
Lou

[Tony Barclay]

You will loose nothing by writing a letter to explain your side of the story. Just dont be to smart..........................Remember the Squeaky weel gets oilled............sometimes. I wrote in not long ago about my wifes ticket. Explaining her many faults.........bad driving not one of them. They withdrew the ticket. Good luck

[wkid_one]

A lot of advice given is not based on the innocence or otherwise of the "ticket" recipient, rather it is "how you can get off for something you actually did" - if you get pinged fair and square don't waffle on about "how do you know it is the exact time" - the cop only has to have "reasonably informed" the offending driver/rider, maybe you could look at his watch at the time to check in case it is two minutes fast???

Gotta agree with Scum - if you are caught you are caught....unless there are extenuating circumstances - you made your bed - lie in it.....

Now - if there is a gross miscarriage of justice fine - but really - it is not like the focus on speeding isn't highly publicised....

[Lou Girardin]

If people didn't protest against and/or ignore bad laws, we would still have prohibition.
Lou

[wkid_one]

If people didn't protest against and/or ignore bad laws, we would still have prohibition.
Lou So based on that reply - you are against laws prohibiting speeding?

That is a ridiculous comparison also.....yeah yeah and woman wouldn't be voting blah blah blah....

Yes it needs potential fine tuning (what law doesn't as society evolves) - but your inference is that 1: the speeding laws are bad, 2: they should be protested against and/or ignored.

Good luck to you - your world must be a wonderful utopia where people are actually able to police themselves in a governmentless and beauraucracy free system.....however, on this planet - people need some semblance of framework with which to live within and coexist with one another with social responsibility.

My two cents anyway.....

[spudchucka]

So based on that reply - you are against laws prohibiting speeding?

That is a ridiculous comparison also.....yeah yeah and woman wouldn't be voting blah blah blah....

Yes it needs potential fine tuning (what law doesn't as society evolves) - but your inference is that 1: the speeding laws are bad, 2: they should be protested against and/or ignored.

Good luck to you - your world must be a wonderful utopia where people are actually able to police themselves in a governmentless and beauraucracy free system.....however, on this planet - people need some semblance of framework with which to live within and coexist with one another with social responsibility.

My two cents anyway.....

Yeah, like he said!!!

[Jackrat]

I agree with Lou,If laws are not challanged then they do not evolve.
But then who am I to kick the negitive band wagon :msn-wink:

[XRNR]

So based on that reply - you are against laws prohibiting speeding?.....
Well Mr Devil's Advocate!

Soon you may start believing in all the stuff you say and become the personification of a model traffic citizen.

Then you will be able to do something helpful for all your fellow KBikers and put your nice radar detector up for sale along with all your other bike gear :devil2:

[Lou Girardin]

The alternative to bad law is not no law, it is law that is understood and respected by the most of the public. We used to have some like this, but you might not remember them, wkid.
lou

[SPman]

But then, these days, everything seems to be black or white, with no shades in between, unlike how most societies operate!

[Hitcher]

A lot of bad law is drafted with good intention, but it's still bad law. Just look at the recent dog control laws and other interventions on people's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. I agree with Lou -- you've got to challenge this stuff relentlessly. The "fart tax" law got thrown out after persistent challenge, so the system does work from time to time...
:whistle:

[jrandom]

The "fart tax" law got thrown out after persistent challenge, so the system does work from time to time...

Agreed. It's my impression that despite (or perhaps because of) the incessant whinging that characterises our culture, NZ has one of the 'truer' democracies in the body of 'western' states at present. It really, really is possible here for a vocal group to persuade the majority and have an according effect on governmental policy, and we do still retain an element of real representation in our parliamentary system.

You try pulling a stunt like getting the fart tax repealed in the USA... it'd probably work if you were an oil corporation (say), but not a private individual or group of non-commercially-conglomerated farmers.

Really... if the entire KB membership wrote coordinated letters to our MPs and the Herald on a common issue, say, resources devoted to speed policing vs. road infrastructure investment - who's to say it wouldn't make a difference?

Yay! Go us.

[Racey Rider]

- if you are caught you are caught....

Yer fair enough. Just needed some cool down time.

Thou I might still try a letter.

What innoyes me is the fact it was a muffty car that pulled me up for something that wasn't dangerous. It was good conditions, wide road, little traffic, No pedestrians.
Had it been a marked cop, I would have seen him and slowed.
Had there been a child with ball on the side of the road, I would have seen them and slowed. Had it been a car, looking suspiciously like turning infront of me, I would have slowed. But I saw the muffty car, and considered it not to be a threat to me, or I to him, and continued on.
:argh:

[wkid_one]

Yer fair enough. Just needed some cool down time.

Thou I might still try a letter.

What innoyes me is the fact it was a muffty car that pulled me up for something that wasn't dangerous. It was good conditions, wide road, little traffic, No pedestrians.
Had it been a marked cop, I would have seen him and slowed.
Had there been a child with ball on the side of the road, I would have seen them and slowed. Had it been a car, looking suspiciously like turning infront of me, I would have slowed. But I saw the muffty car, and considered it not to be a threat to me, or I to him, and continued on.
:argh:


Don't get me wrong - I also said if there are extenuating circumstances you are well within your rights to argue (and if not) - however I just disagree with the rampant 'get off it and all costs' attitude when we all know the rules and cop a fine fair and square.

[wkid_one]

Well Mr Devil's Advocate!

Soon you may start believing in all the stuff you say and become the personification of a model traffic citizen.

Then you will be able to do something helpful for all your fellow KBikers and put your nice radar detector up for sale along with all your other bike gear :devil2:
So the basis of your argument then is scrap the speeding laws??? Hmmm - gr8 idea....

No - I am saying that the Speeding Laws aren't bad in general - the execution may be - but we need SPEEDING laws......that is all. Yes they may need fine tuning - and the recent attempt to reduce the tolerance is stupid....however to fight a ticket when you were rightly and justly caught speeding is ridiculous.....

I will put my detector up for sale gladly (just not the jammer)

I also said that we know the rules, I choose to speed, if I am caught - it is my own stupid fault. I didn't say I wasn't going to try every possible way to avoid being caught.

[bluninja]

I also said that we know the rules, I choose to speed, if I am caught - it is my own stupid fault. I didn't say I wasn't going to try every possible way to avoid being caught.
So how is using all means at your disposal (and jammers are illegal) to speed and not get caught any different from using all means not to be prosecuted successfully by someone who has been caught?

Both methods ultimate goal is to be able to break the law and yet receive no penalty.

[spudchucka]

Had it been a marked cop, I would have seen him and slowed.
Had there been a child with ball on the side of the road, I would have seen them and slowed. Had it been a car, looking suspiciously like turning infront of me, I would have slowed. But I saw the muffty car, and considered it not to be a threat to me, or I to him, and continued on.
:argh:



Stiff shit, you know as well as anyone that there are unmarked cars out there. You want to speed then suffer the consequences and don't bitch about it cos you knew it could happen!

[wkid_one]

Ahh not at all?

When you play any sport do you not try and get away with everything you possibly can irrespective if it is against the rules? Yet you play to the whistle. When penalised you take your medicine and on you go. However, by using a detector or sim - you are just trying to minimise the chance of being caught - not of avoiding any punishment if you do.......no different that fuckwits who overclaim on insurance etc....

The two are completely different perspectives. Regardless of whether you try to avoid being caught or not - the rules are the same..

[bluninja]

Ahh not at all?

When you play any sport do you not try and get away with everything you possibly can irrespective if it is against the rules?
Perhaps that is the fundamental difference between us. The challenge for me is to be the best I can be inside the rules, rather than stretching and bending them because I'm not good enough to win or compete otherwise.

I still see no difference in end result between someone who legally(or illegally) avoids being caught, or someone who tries to avoid prosecution on a technicality, or using the legal system.

[Lou Girardin]

Last year, there was a story about a wealthy guy that got off 8 out of 9 speeding tickets by using a clever brief. It cost him $11,000 in fees to do so. But the point proved was that the cops stuff up on a regular basis. Why not use that incompetence to your benefit? Or are the cops above the law?
Lou

[wkid_one]

However $11000 is a price to pay for 8 fines. The cops are not perfect - however if you get off a crime because the cop wrote 11.40am rather than 11.42am on the ticket - you are still in the wrong.....

READ MY POST - I said if there are extenuating circumstances - you should challenge it, but if you are caught fair and square - take it on the chin rather than being a wanker about it......

[wkid_one]

Perhaps that is the fundamental difference between us. The challenge for me is to be the best I can be inside the rules, rather than stretching and bending them because I'm not good enough to win or compete otherwise.

So you never speed? You never overtake on a corner or where there is less than the prescribed visual distance. You never, when you played rugby tried to get in front of the advantage line on defense? You never ran an amber light when you could have stopped? You never rolled through a stop on a stop sign......
You never when playing soccer etc taken the penalty a few feet ahead of the mark?

You never left earlier than the prescribed knock off time from your employer?

Shit life must be boring then.....

(pot calling kettle tho as I have done this, so this is all devils advocate - with my infamous 129kph bicycle ticket).

[Big Dog]

But I saw the muffty car, and considered it not to be a threat to me, or I to him, and continued on.
:argh:


:wacko: so why keep speeding if you have already identified it as mufty?

This sounds like a dumb question until you answer "I thought it was just another car" comes back. Because herein lies the rub, your above outlined claim that you were fully alert to the risks you faced falls on its sword if you failed to identify the mufty. If you reply that you new it was mufty but thought they would not snatch you for it again your argument falls on its sword.

I have no sympathy for people nicked in excess of 20 over.
(under that there are plenty of innocent reasons, incorrectly claibrated speedo).

[wkid_one]

:wacko: so why keep speeding if you have already identified it as mufty?

This sounds like a dumb question until you answer "I thought it was just another car" comes back. Because herein lies the rub, your above outlined claim that you were fully alert to the risks you faced falls on its sword if you failed to identify the mufty. If you reply that you new it was mufty but thought they would not snatch you for it again your argument falls on its sword.

I have no sympathy for people nicked in excess of 20 over.
(under that there are plenty of innocent reasons, incorrectly claibrated speedo).
WHO RAR than man

[Big Dog]

WHO RAR than man
?What ? :baby:

[bluninja]

So you never speed? You never overtake on a corner or where there is less than the prescribed visual distance. You never, when you played rugby tried to get in front of the advantage line on defense? You never ran an amber light when you could have stopped? You never rolled through a stop on a stop sign......
You never when playing soccer etc taken the penalty a few feet ahead of the mark?

You never left earlier than the prescribed knock off time from your employer?

Shit life must be boring then.....

(pot calling kettle tho as I have done this, so this is all devils advocate - with my infamous 129kph bicycle ticket).
Apart from the speeding I would have to say mostly no...and my life ain't boring that's why I'm online so much. However I don't carry loads of detection/jamming gear, and when caught I have been polite to the police officer and paid up afterwards. But then I have 35 points on my NZ license, and a clean UK license so I tend to see it just as another form of road tax. If I was going to lose my license I may change my road habits, or get a good barrister. Won't know till that happens.

If I received a ticket and it the cop had cocked up an obvious way then I wouldn't have a guilty conscience about getting it withdrawn, just like I don't feel guilty when I speed.

[wkid_one]

Apart from the speeding I would have to say mostly no...and my life ain't boring that's why I'm online so much. However I don't carry loads of detection/jamming gear, and when caught I have been polite to the police officer and paid up afterwards. But then I have 35 points on my NZ license, and a clean UK license so I tend to see it just as another form of road tax. If I was going to lose my license I may change my road habits, or get a good barrister. Won't know till that happens.

If I received a ticket and it the cop had cocked up an obvious way then I wouldn't have a guilty conscience about getting it withdrawn, just like I don't feel guilty when I speed.
This is exactly my point!

[marty]

I will put my detector up for sale gladly (just not the jammer)

how much do you want for it?

[wkid_one]

You tell me

[denill]

[QUOTE=wkid_one]
I will put my detector up for sale gladly (just not the jammer)

From the info I have gleaned, your Jammer is not worth a pinch of s**t (and I don't mean salt) anyhow.

[Racey Rider]

:wacko: so why keep speeding if you have already identified it as mufty?

This sounds like a dumb question until you answer "I thought it was just another car" comes back. Because herein lies the rub, your above outlined claim that you were fully alert to the risks you faced falls on its sword if you failed to identify the mufty. If you reply that you new it was mufty but thought they would not snatch you for it again your argument falls on its sword.

I have no sympathy for people nicked in excess of 20 over.
(under that there are plenty of innocent reasons, incorrectly claibrated speedo).

I thought it was just another car!
90% attention would have noticed those other senaros.
100% attention may have noticed the car as a muffty cop.
Yes, i was running late,, I had other things on my mind. Muffty cops are not easy to spot. My mistake #2

My mistake #1, Allowing myself to be going that fast (allegedly), at the bottom of a hill.
I don't normally go over 60 in a 50 zone.

[Jackrat]

Hey wickid,Whats this about a 120+ push bike ticket.
I missed that,sounds interesting?????????????

[Lou Girardin]

For future reference, plain cars have easily seen flashers front and rear, the driver is in uniform and there is a Stalker mounted on the dash. :doh:

Lou

[wkid_one]

And from behind they have the disco lights mounted on the rear parcel shelf and more aerials than a CCN Van covering the WTC incident

[wkid_one]

Hey wickid,Whats this about a 120+ push bike ticket.
I missed that,sounds interesting?????????????
LOL - haven't you. I was riding down to Wellington when I moved down here.

Blasting along the Nationa Park Hway just short of the Ohakune turn off heading south.

slowed slightly for a corner (rolled off throttle) and lo and behold a oinker coming the other way obscured by the trees (pre-detector). Grabbed a fist full of brake - but his lights went on - obediantly I pulled over (only two ways to run - neither much use).

He pinged me for 129kph.......however wrote that I was riding a bicycle on the ticket....I didn't notice this until I got home.

Needless to say I wrote a letter to the Police - I think I still have it - hold on?

[Hitcher]

?What ? :baby:
Happy birthday mate! Go riding, have a blast...
;)

[jrandom]

Needless to say I wrote a letter to the Police - I think I still have it - hold on?

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha :laugh:

You cheeky cunt.

What was the outcome then?

[wkid_one]

Ummm - they relented on the ticket.....it was either that or I was going to petition for a place on the NZ Cycling team

[Redstar]

And from behind they have the disco lights mounted on the rear parcel shelf and more aerials than a CCN Van covering the WTC incident
Another Tip to spot a plain police traffic car is this.
usually if you can afford a falcon xr6 or a commadore s late model you have a boat?
and it needs a tow bar. unless da da its a traffic cop.
there are exceptions to the rule but from behind coming up no tow bar take a closer look.
You watch they will fit tow bars now just to spite us!

[Jackrat]

Ummm - they relented on the ticket.....it was either that or I was going to petition for a place on the NZ Cycling team
LOL,Finger lickin' good :2thumbsup :banana:

[Hitcher]

Spotted the Red Van parked at the layby between Foxton and Himatangi...
And then the Green Van halfway up the Johnsonville straight...

Legal both times but!
:whistle:

[scumdog]

Another Tip to spot a plain police traffic car is this.
usually if you can afford a falcon xr6 or a commadore s late model you have a boat?
and it needs a tow bar. unless da da its a traffic cop.
there are exceptions to the rule but from behind coming up no tow bar take a closer look.
You watch they will fit tow bars now just to spite us!

Don't kid yourself, down here in the south I have seen marked and unmarked cars with tow-bars, - ans some plain cars have differing wheel-trims front and rear just to give that "old dunger" appearance!!

[Dave]

Don't kid yourself, down here in the south I have seen marked and unmarked cars with tow-bars, - ans some plain cars have differing wheel-trims front and rear just to give that "old dunger" appearance!!


I always look for the lowered cars with standard steel wheels-no one else would do that!

[Coldkiwi]

Another Tip to spot a plain police traffic car is this.
usually if you can afford a falcon xr6 or a commadore s late model you have a boat?
and it needs a tow bar. unless da da its a traffic cop.
there are exceptions to the rule but from behind coming up no tow bar take a closer look.
You watch they will fit tow bars now just to spite us!

this is of course all well and good assuming you're approaching from the rear and they don't have a rear radar going (quite common).

If however, you are unfortunate enough like me last night to be approaching from the front at dusk and they have a laser... you are well toasted. (at 89 m to be exact) :doh: :shit: :argh: :brick:

how long do demerit points stay on your licence for again? :angry:

[duckman]

So how fast were you going CK ?? :eek5:

[Drunken Monkey]

how long do demerit points stay on your licence for again? :angry:
2 years from the date your offense was settled, if you had it challenged, otherwise 2 years from date of offense...

[scumdog]

I always look for the lowered cars with standard steel wheels-no one else would do that!
Yeah, you guessedit, they also have mag wheels scattered throughout the fleet down here!!!

[Coldkiwi]

2 years from the date your offense was settled, if you had it challenged, otherwise 2 years from date of offense...
what if I didn't challenge it but was slow paying the fine?

[Coldkiwi]

So how fast were you going CK ?? :eek5:
classified info! But I was going faster before he zapped me so it's not all bad.

I intend to write a letter though because my detector didn't go off and there is a vague chance he was lazy and simply booked me for the offence of the previous driver. The speed he showed me was about right but I would've thought I would've got some signal on the escort because a bike is a pretty small target.

long shot I know but might be worth it!

[Wolve]

The messages we send:

Take it on the nose & just pay – says we enjoy roadside taxation & want to keep being routinely shafted.

Defend a doubtful ticket – says there’s no profit issuing doubtful tickets, so if an ‘Officer’ isn’t convinced a Court will uphold the charge, then it’s best for them to let you off with a warning.

Defend, defend, defend all the time every time – says roadside taxation will become un-profitable, the cops will be spending 80 %+ of their time in court & not meeting their quotas. The Government will be loosing money on ‘Roadside Taxation’ and, God willing, we’ll see more realistic enforcement policies that are really safety based & not just revenue collecting.

There were over 1.5 million roadside taxation notices issued a year.
Consider the court time to process all these if we all stand up for our rights:

Say there are 40 courts working on nothing else, they schedule 10 cases per day, 255 days a year, It would take more than 14 years to process 1 years worth of tickets. Now if you throw in some of Jackrat’s suggestions & each ticket means 3 court dates we’re talking 42 years to process.
Even a politician is going to have to accept that that’s not sustainable.

Remember, we managed to get rid of the “Broadcasting License Tax” by making it cost more to collect than was actually collected.
to bloody right , ive been done by the :Police: for going 6km's over the speed limit............I shit u not

[wkid_one]

Rubbish - don't believe that

[Redstar]

Yeh the tow bar rule was only expounded as a tip it is true that they will go to no ends to trick us but nevertheless we operate on probabilities not definites and every bit of armore counts so tow bar fitted is better than none and yes naturally that an approach from the rear and applies to motorway action only. unless you have a sixth sence you operate within the speed limit or play the probability game. statistically the traffic wardens(I refuse to call them Police) as that implies integrity reckon that 75% of mororcycles operate outside the law the hit rate for them is really good. I was stopped twice and amazed the wardens that i was legal. one said and I quote "most bikers are illegal in some way" so its worth a go for the wardens quota.
in the UK traffic wardens are scum and they have two yellow bands around there hats which prevents you parking on their heads without getting a ticket :bash:
The latest thing is for joe public to report juviniles going graffitti or unlawful assembly or litter bugs and dogs crapping on pavements to the local nic so the real police (whom I have undieing respect for can waste time on section 19 discharges while the Wardens in flash new cars that I paid for ignor this activity cause theres no profit in it prefering to impede the good people of New Zealand in the pusuit of Motorcycling pleasure :brick: I need a holiday and some therapy :bash:

[XRNR]

...I need a holiday and some therapy :bash:

Good tip, Go riding with Marty!

[SPman]

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<!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote -->And why not? They can ticket you for 1km over, if they want to.
Perhaps he was behind in his quota. :doh:

You gotta feel sorry for a lot of cops (but not all) sometimes. Reamed out by their bosses for not giving enough tickets, or reamed out by the public for giving too many minor, inconsequential, nit picking tickets, to make up their quota to keep the politicos and LTSA happy!

Perhaps a Police revolt is in order?...........:bash:

[wkid_one]

Maybe we need a 'dripping with sarcasm' icon

[spudchucka]

Quote:


Perhaps a Police revolt is in order?...........:bash:

Legislation makes it unlawfull for police to take industrial action!

[Hitcher]

Legislation makes it unlawfull for police to take industrial action!
Well put, that man...
:done:

[jrandom]

Legislation makes it unlawfull for police to take industrial action!

Reminds me of the country that passed a law outlawing coups d'etat.

[Big Dog]

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<!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote -->And why not? They can ticket you for 1km over, if they want to.
Perhaps he was behind in his quota. :doh:

To be fair they have to be able to show that the driver posed a hazard with their speed if they are allowing for less than ten percent margin of error.

It is possible to get a ticket for "excessive speed" where ther is no record of the actual speed or where the speed is less than the posted limit if it caused an avoidable and predictable hazard and it was witnessed by two or more police officers.

The only instances I am aware of this being enforced are traffic light racers and trucks that almost tip or lose traction. My old instructor warned us that a previous student had had one for 40 in a fifty because the tractor unit came up on one side (acceletating around a anticambered corner.).

If they want you they will get you ..... somehow.

[Redstar]

Sure than can legally do you for 1klm over a posted limit but most dont expect a ticket for 1klm over a breakpoint you hear often that 109klm hr on open road would be ignored but 110klm will get you toasted.
on that basis my 81 was fined for 80 no percentage applied for speedo error.
I'de have taken 79 and $80 less and 10 demerits less without a winge as I hate wingers like the next man. yes the Traffic police are constrained by instruction but its getting silly. before the last general election Joe Public said we want more police and tougher panalties applied. we were not specific enough. what we got was more traffic police and more regulation of good people while the real crims get soft options. that why Im pissed off.
this is endemic in Aus same problem wrong targeting.
the road toll has not dropped in fact it grows YOY so this policy is flawed did you know that they have imported 100's of cops from the UK while ours go to AUS for money (nurses the same) why dont we invest in our Police? put the traffic back in Black and white cars and pay them the wages they really deserve?.
Where I live the place is crawling with traffic police and road checks I've had more stops in the last year than the last twenty 8
I might as well buy a moped with a restrictor.
I may well lead this winge but you will follow given time :angry2:

[sAsLEX]

And you have to love them policing the most dangerous straight wide pieces of road in the country :mad: oh and passing lanes and steep downhill sections

[Lou Girardin]

Big dog, you're thinking of carless driving. Only speeds over the legal limit will carry a charge of exceeding the speed limit.
I've just spent a week in Cairns/Port Douglas and didn't see ONE cop, I thought Oz was worse than us for Police harassment.
Lou

[James Deuce]

Big dog, you're thinking of carless driving. Only speeds over the legal limit will carry a charge of exceeding the speed limit.
I've just spent a week in Cairns/Port Douglas and didn't see ONE cop, I thought Oz was worse than us for Police harassment.
Lou

NT has no speed limit and a common sense approach to life. I'd move there if it wasn't so stinking HOT!

[Lou Girardin]

That's right, but I was in Queensland. (Sorry, I couldn't resist that)
Lou

[Hitcher]

NT has no speed limit and a common sense approach to life. I'd move there if it wasn't so stinking HOT!
No open road speed limit... :Punk:

[James Deuce]

That's right, but I was in Queensland. (Sorry, I couldn't resist that)
Lou

No worries - was rambling anyway.

[James Deuce]

No open road speed limit... :Punk:

Bah - there's no population to speak of so who would notice. :msn-wink:

[Hitcher]

Bah - there's no population to speak of so who would notice. :msn-wink:
Dobbed in by a croc... Bugger!
:shit:

[Lou Girardin]

Apparently the wildlife does speed enforcement in NT. Hitting a 'roo at 250 plus tends to slow you down.
Lou

[denill]

I intend to write a letter though because my detector didn't go off and there is a vague chance he was lazy and simply booked me for the offence of the previous driver.

Yeah, you may well be right.
I got the lights put on me on the Rangaitaiki Plains, no other traffic around and was told that I was doing 124KPH But when I told him he can't have zapped me as the detector (in the WRX) never let off a single beep, he told me to "slow down" and walked away????? :no: :no:

BillW

[denill]

Apparently the wildlife does speed enforcement in NT. Hitting a 'roo at 250 plus tends to slow you down.
Lou

Not wrong.......

Riding in Queensland last year and AFTER being told about the Emus and Kangaroos etc. the speed dropped dramatically...........

Scary stuff.

Thank god that Moas are extinct. How would you like to be dodging those mothers????

BillW

[Gixxer 4 ever]

so I recon I was real hard done by this time but is it worth writing to the police and point out the sillyness of it all?
With out reading all the reply as I should be at work :innocent: I would write the letter but as I work along the road sides from time to time it is a very scary place when people will not slow down. :mad: I bitch here from time to time about the tickets as well but the truth is my bitch is really with the lack of other police work that is going with out time spent. Things like live stock being shot theft etc but stick your nose out on the road and bam :eek: thank you for your money. But truly if it said 50 and it is in work hours please slow down. Some of the people working the road side ride as well and it is not uncommon for shingle to be in the work area..

[Cleve]

I got off by writing a ticket. Was done for riding in bus lane in downtown Auckland. Wrote to expain that it was my understanding that motobikes could now ride in a bus lane (am I right) but that it was ridiculous in light of traffic issues in Auckland that a motorbike couldn't (but a bicycle could).
Cleve

[Marmoot]

I got off by writing a ticket. Was done for riding in bus lane in downtown Auckland. Wrote to expain that it was my understanding that motobikes could now ride in a bus lane (am I right) but that it was ridiculous in light of traffic issues in Auckland that a motorbike couldn't (but a bicycle could).
Cleve

ja man, you can ride in Bus lanes in Auckland City.....but not for going through on green Bus traffic light, though.

[Stevo]

I got busted last week for 113. When asked what I thought I was doing I said 109-110 as I believe that is what my speedo said.

When I saw the mufti lights flash in front of me coming the opposite way, words like padantic, pathetic and revenue collecting prick sparng to mind.

However I was polite, and even went so far as to pull over in a nice safe spot so the u turn and catch up to me (GOSH aren't I a nice fella)???????? Still got the ticket.

However I still have no argument as I was speeding, My 250 doesn't have a shit show of out running a commodore, and I have a history of speeding. Though I do believe I have slowed down (A LOT) and this is my list excessive speeding ticket. Having read about 90% of this thread though I think our time could surely be better spent opposing Both the new Govt policy for allowing land access by randoms within the Queen's????????? chain along the rivers of this country AND the proposal by Maori for the airspace over Lake Taupo!!!!! Where is the nonsense going to end?????
I am not a racist person but the attitude of Maori seems to be to 'Create greater division between Maori and Pakeha than already exists'. Within another 3 generations more than 85% of New Zealanders will have Maori blood in them so who is getting ripped off???? Like Stealing from family really.

Just some thoughts

[scumdog]

Hell Stevo, you said a mouthful there my man! Got to agree with you regarding division of NEW ZEALANDERS!!!!!
Are we in one country? then we should be ONE people!! :mad:

[Storm]

Preach the word brother :banana:

[denill]

Hell Stevo, you said a mouthful there my man! Got to agree with you regarding division of NEW ZEALANDERS!!!!!
Are we in one country? then we should be ONE people!! :mad:

Hey Scumdog, something wrong here !!!! :shit:
I agree with you - totally.
BillW

[NZIrish]

INSANITY, SECTION 23 CRIMES ACT 1961, SAY LUKE SKYWALKER WAS RIDING THE BIKE WHILE CHEWBUCKKA WAS NAVIGATING, GET YOURSELF TWO DOCTORS WHO WILL VOUCH FOR YOUR MADNESS, WHO CAN TELL THE JUDGE THAT YOU WERE SNORTING COKE AT A LOS VEGAS NIGHT CLUB ON THE DAY/NIGHT..YEAH NIGHT, IT SEEMED LIKE NIGHT, IN QUESTION.

[avgas]

get this - the guy who hit me, smashing my leg into fragments, destroying my bike - got sent to court for dangerous driving causing harm, pleaded guilty - got only $400 fine and 4 months licence disqualification..........................whenever i loose my licence its a $800 fine for doing over 150 and 6 months licence disqualification. Next time i might either try and hurt someone (cos the fine must be less) or not stop (my bike can easily break the 220ks those como's do).