Another victory in the war on P. May there be many more victories like this! [Archive]

Toaster

27th April 2011, 14:05

Methanphetamine and P (Pure Meth) affects us all in so many ways. It is great to see another large catch reported in the news today.

Good job Customs!

The following was posted today and is breaking news on TV One:

Ten Malaysian drug couriers have been caught at Auckland International Airport carrying around $10 million of methamphetamine or "P" in their shoes.
Customs said it was the most drug-couriers caught in a single incident at the border.
The eight men and two women were each concealing between 800g and a kilo of the drug when they arrived on the flight from Malaysia yesterday.
They were due to appear in the Manukau District Court today.
Customs Drug Investigations Manager Mark Day said officers searching the bags of two of the group referred them for a personal search, and in both cases P was detected in their shoes.
After the two were searched the remainder of the group were located by Customs officers and airport police. Some were still in the Customs hall, while others had left.
All were then searched and found to be carrying P in their shoes.
Day said the fact that officers had closely questioned two of the group for immigration purposes had slowed down their progress and contributed to the arrest of all 10.
"By embedding themselves in what appear to be legitimate tour groups, these criminals are trying to assume normal travel patterns so that they will not be targeted as high risk," he said.
"We had a similar attempt by a Taiwanese tour group last year, but they too were caught out by vigilant Customs officers. It's work our officers can be very proud of."
Customs Minister Maurice Williamson said it was a landmark interception of a "vile drug".
"Our diligent Customs officers have again proved if you bring drugs into our country you will get caught," Williamson said.

237418

riffer

27th April 2011, 14:10

Hmm. Shall we try them under the laws of their own country?

What's the penalty for drug smuggling in Malaysia?

oneofsix

27th April 2011, 14:13

good on Customs, hope the courts don't screw it up. Bugger the courts just ship them back home with their P and let their country deal to them.

Hitcher

27th April 2011, 14:15

The "War on P" will only be won when people stop using it. I for one see no crime in people importing the stuff. It, like many other mind-altering substances, is completely harmless until it is consumed.

P has become the drug of choice for a wide number of New Zealanders -- including many who should know better, but who believe that they need to get off their faces to have a good time, preferably with the same drugs their "mates" are using.

One suspects that there are many KB members who use P as one of their party-time favourites. One could be charitable at this point and call them braindead fucktards, or perhaps something worse. But that could be inflamatory and upset them.

Stirts

27th April 2011, 14:16

They had speed in their shoes and they didn't try and run? :facepalm: dumbarses :innocent:

avgas

27th April 2011, 15:04

One suspects that there are many KB members who use P as one of their party-time favourites. One could be charitable at this point and call them braindead fucktards, or perhaps something worse. But that could be inflamatory and upset them.
Heh that is gold. You don't call them brain dead fucktards.
And they keep their grammar correct.

What a fucked up world we live in.

Maha

27th April 2011, 15:08

You missed out on yet another ''internal'' search Cam?....:blink:
Pucker up Charlie im coming in....:yes:

Laava

27th April 2011, 15:26

A million bucks a kilo? Holy shit!

Smifffy

27th April 2011, 15:58

On one of those 'reality' cop shows the other night, some dude arrested & charged with posession of P, along with a couple of other charges received of sentence of about 8 months supervision.

Great work customs, but the judiciary don't believe there is a war on P.

For the amount of misery that judges see before them, that can be attributed to the shit, I'll be fucked if I know why the judges don't come down hard on anyone that has anything to do with it.

Hitcher

27th April 2011, 16:06

I'll be fucked if I know why the judges don't come down hard on anyone that has anything to do with it.

And what about the rest of the community? Surely we as citizens only need a judiciary if we're not prepared to do our bit. We could start by telling people we know who use P and similar products that they're dickhead losers. We could give their names and the names of their dealers to the local Police. We could get Child Youth and Family to take their kids off them, as dickhead losers rarely have parents or other family members who are up to such a task. We could report them to their employers. There's a bunch of stuff that us poor citizens could do that would work way better than a Court locking people up for a while.

Smifffy

27th April 2011, 16:09

And what about the rest of the community? Surely we as citizens only need a judiciary if we're not prepared to do our bit. We could start by telling people we know who use P and similar products that they're dickhead losers. We could give their names and the names of their dealers to the local Police. We could get Child Youth and Family to take their kids off them, as dickhead losers rarely have parents or other family members who are up to such a task. We could report them to their employers. There's a bunch of stuff that us poor citizens could do that would work way better than a Court locking people up for a while.

You're probably right. Luckily I don't know anyone that does the shit (to my knowledge), and wouldn't have anything to do with anyone that does. I don't doubt that it is rife in this town though.

oneofsix

27th April 2011, 16:12

And what about the rest of the community? Surely we as citizens only need a judiciary if we're not prepared to do our bit. We could start by telling people we know who use P and similar products that they're dickhead losers. We could give their names and the names of their dealers to the local Police. We could get Child Youth and Family to take their kids off them, as dickhead losers rarely have parents or other family members who are up to such a task. We could report them to their employers. There's a bunch of stuff that us poor citizens could do that would work way better than a Court locking people up for a while.

dickheads :yes: paranoid :yes::yes:if not before the P certainly after :yes: therefore they already 'know' you have reported them and having taken precautions. If you know any of these dickheads then for your own safety you are better reporting them.

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2011, 16:12

As long as man himself has been around, man has wanted to get 'high'. And as long as it's illegal, it'll be worth a fortune and create millions for the criminals peddling it.

I always wonder why not more is said about the misery alcohol creates. Maybe simply because nearly everyone sees it as ok as it's legal?

short-circuit

27th April 2011, 17:42

scissorhands

27th April 2011, 17:47

We had a major distribution P wholesaler across the road, even after telling the cops, it kept up for the next 2 years. The businessman made a stack and moved his premises up the road to a real flash location.

Articles like this are but a smoke screen, and tell law abiding folk 'something is being done', while it appears many operators in NZ are left alone

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2011, 17:50

Too fucking true. Legalize the lot and regulate the fuck of it.

Despite what some may think, I know people that function perfectly well and are fine members of the work force and communities they live in whilst being social users of all sorts of drugs. I also know some that shouldn't be allowed near anything...alcohol included.

As far as I'm concerned, you should be able to get permission from your Dr that says you're of perfectly sane mind, and a letter from your employer that says you've never thrown a sickie due to your social choices...then go down to the local chemist and buy whatever the fuck you want. At least then you're actually getting what you want/pay for. Not some unknown concoction of god only knows what. It's being taxed, and hopefully helping rid NZ of the gangs of underground cooks and crooks etc that make millions from it being illegal.

short-circuit

27th April 2011, 17:55

Despite what some may think, I know people that function perfectly well and are fine members of the work force and communities they live in whilst being social users of all sorts of drugs. I also know some that shouldn't be allowed near anything...alcohol included.

As far as I'm concerned, you should be able to get permission from your Dr that says you're of perfectly sane mind, and a letter from your employer that says you've never thrown a sickie due to your social choices...then go down to the local chemist and buy whatever the fuck you want. At least then you're actually getting what you want/pay for. Not some unknown concoction of god only knows what. It's being taxed, and hopefully helping rid NZ of the gangs of underground cooks and crooks etc that make millions from it being illegal.

Agree 100%. You'll have a hard time gaining a consensus in here on that one however I would suspect.

Edbear

27th April 2011, 17:57

Despite what some may think, I know people that function perfectly well and are fine members of the work force and communities they live in whilst being social users of all sorts of drugs. I also know some that shouldn't be allowed near anything...alcohol included.

As far as I'm concerned, you should be able to get permission from your Dr that says you're of perfectly sane mind, and a letter from your employer that says you've never thrown a sickie due to your social choices...then go down to the local chemist and buy whatever the fuck you want. At least then you're actually getting what you want/pay for. Not some unknown concoction of god only knows what. It's being taxed, and hopefully helping rid NZ of the gangs of underground cooks and crooks etc that make millions from it being illegal.

It won't stop crime, the criminals will only transfer to something else. The number who actually care enough to do it legally is very small.

You have to be of a certain mindset and attitude to be a criminal...

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2011, 18:02

Agree 100%. You'll have a hard time gaining a consensus in here on that one however I would suspect.

Wouldn't even bother trying! And in all honesty...I fully understand why some people get so wound up over the whole drugs thing too. I mean 'P' (as everyone seems to love to call it now) has been around for ever. It's just that the manufacture of it has only semi recently been easy enough to do here in the last few years...hence making it far more avail and cheaper. And for sure a lot of henious crimes are carried out by bad people whilst under the influence of it, and also to support their bad habbit. But a hell of a lot of nasty crimes are carried out by overly agressive pissed cunts too.

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2011, 18:04

It won't stop crime, the criminals will only transfer to something else. The number who actually care enough to do it legally is very small.

You have to be of a certain mindset and attitude to be a criminal...

No I hear ya mate. And I didn't say it'd stop crime. It's just that the huge amount of money involved in the trade of illegal drugs is what makes it such a nasty business.

Edbear

27th April 2011, 18:12

No I hear ya mate. And I didn't say it'd stop crime. It's just that the huge amount of money involved in the trade of illegal drugs is what makes it such a nasty business.

The old supply and demand principle, eh? This haul will no doubt push up the price further. Personally I don't really see the difference between most illicit drugs and alcohol and tobacco. All are addictive, all have similar issues of violence, anti-social behaviour, poverty, etc. 'P' is special in that it is so far above the others in it's effects, especially of paranoia, that I think I wouldn't be too far off the mark to suggest it is one drug the Police actually are nervous about in dealing with those under the influence of it.

Headbanger

27th April 2011, 18:20

Wouldn't even bother trying! And in all honesty...I fully understand why some people get so wound up over the whole drugs thing too. I mean 'P' (as everyone seems to love to call it now) has been around for ever. It's just that the manufacture of it has only semi recently been easy enough to do here in the last few years...hence making it far more avail and cheaper. And for sure a lot of henious crimes are carried out by bad people whilst under the influence of it, and also to support their bad habbit. But a hell of a lot of nasty crimes are carried out by overly agressive pissed cunts too.

Suggest you look up the difference between amphetamine (which is what has been common as muck in "certain circles" for 20 years) and Methamphetamine which is what is known as P.

Having spent many years in "certain circles" I saw a lot of people go down in massive heaps when the switch was made. People that had controlled their social habit for many years slowly but surely came to be controlled by it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

Never fear, Those that had a self-interest in it all also tried to convince me it was all the same thing....ppfffttt

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2011, 18:28

Suggest you look up the difference between amphetamine (which is what has been common as muck in "certain circles" for 20 years) and Methamphetamine which is what is known as P.

Having spent many years in "certain circles" I saw a lot of people go down in massive heaps when the switch was made. People that had controlled their social habit for many years slowly but surely came to be controlled by it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

Never fear, Those that had a self-interest in it all also tried to convince me it was all the same thing....ppfffttt

Oh I'm fully aware of the differences mate. At the end of the day...when it ('P') became readily avail, and it became trendy to smoke it...it all started going pear shaped for a lot of people. More often than not it's simply the lack of sleep that does peoples heads in. Sleep deprived people are not safe wether it's drug induced or not.

98tls

27th April 2011, 18:33

Having spent many years in "certain circles" I saw a lot of people go down in massive heaps when the switch was made. People that had controlled their social habit for many years slowly but surely came to be controlled by it.

Funnily enough ive seen the same thing happen when Joe Middleage buys a Harley,married and seemingly happy one day next thing its tassled up,apehangers and booze hag on the back:woohoo::woohoo:

Headbanger

27th April 2011, 18:35

More often than not it's simply the lack of sleep that does peoples heads in. Sleep deprived people are not safe wether it's drug induced or not.

Yeah, Thats very true. (from what I have seen) Day two and three of a speed and booze bender were always pure madness.

White trash

27th April 2011, 18:44

Fucken Customs.

Pushing up the prices of my shit the cunts.

Edbear

27th April 2011, 19:00

Yeah, Thats very true. (from what I have seen) Day two and three of a speed and booze bender were always pure madness.

Sleep deprivation is a recognised form of torture and can drive people insane. People high on P are impossible to deal with other than to incapacitate them as fast as possible.

The Police will say you cannot reason with them, so talking is useless unless you can distract them enough to bring them physically under control. Even Tazers are often ineffective.

Headbanger

27th April 2011, 19:09

. People high on P are impossible to deal with other than to incapacitate them as fast as possible.

The Police will say you cannot reason with them, so talking is useless unless you can distract them enough to bring them physically under control. Even Tazers are often ineffective.

Meh. I broke away from a large number of people as P became prevalent in the social circles I frequented,However none of them acted as described. The majority of people smoking that shit don't have violent breakdowns, chop peoples handss off, or even get the pleasure of speaking to the police.

Grasshopperus

27th April 2011, 19:10

Won't this just make it more expensive due to less supply?

That'll mean that addicts have to burgle (or worse) more stuff in order to get their fix.

We should mass-produce and give it away freely to whoever wants it. Less gang income, more freedom for NZers and less police/court time wasted on enforcement. I'm sure there's a side I'm not seeing though.

98tls

27th April 2011, 19:12

Sleep deprivation is a recognised form of torture and can drive people insane. People high on P are impossible to deal with other than to incapacitate them as fast as possible.

The Police will say you cannot reason with them, so talking is useless unless you can distract them enough to bring them physically under control. Even Tazers are often ineffective.

Guess from a coppers point of view a fair reason to have easy access to a gun.

Edbear

27th April 2011, 19:14

98tls

27th April 2011, 19:16

Meh. I broke away from a large number of people as P became prevalent in the social circles I frequented,However none of them acted as described. The majority of people smoking that shit don't have violent breakdowns, chop peoples handss off, or even get the pleasure of speaking to the police.

Sure maybe not the "majority" but how manys acceptable?

Headbanger

27th April 2011, 19:23

Sure maybe not the "majority" but how manys acceptable?

I don't consider such behaviors acceptable no matter what substances people have been ingesting. So, lets ban the booze.

Edbear

27th April 2011, 19:28

I don't consider such behaviors acceptable no matter what substances people have been ingesting. So, lets ban the booze.

I agree, of course. The Alcohol problem in this country will see TPTB forced to do something eventually, the issue is getting enough people to agree on what to do.

Especially the youth just can't seem to learn anything from the death and destruction they cause to themselves and others. They simply couldn't care less.

98tls

27th April 2011, 19:37

I don't consider such behaviors acceptable no matter what substances people have been ingesting. So, lets ban the booze.

Yea see your point but after seeing a bloke go nuts after days on the P i would rather deal with a drunk anyday.There was just no reasoning with the guy at all he had walked home grabbed an axe then walked all the way back to the party to deal to some blokes car and there just wasnt any stopping him.Normally a pretty reasonable bloke,scary thing i guess was that unlike someone thats pissed who staggers about etc there was no physical slowing down at all.

short-circuit

27th April 2011, 19:38

Especially the youth just can't seem to learn anything from the death and destruction they cause to themselves and others. They simply couldn't care less.

Why do you suggest this is a problem with "youth"?

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2011, 19:40

Great tag about me on the thread! That'll be why I can't hold down a job and have to police kicking my door in every other day I guess!

Edbear

27th April 2011, 19:44

Why do you suggest this is a problem with "youth"?

Not just an issue with youth, but when you watch the news, it is so much more often youths involved. I'm talking mainly the alcohol problem of course and the violence and drink-driving stats in particular.

Yes, I know many young ones who are fine people in their own right and an example to many older ones, but the facts remain as I (sadly) have to point out.

short-circuit

27th April 2011, 19:49

Not just an issue with youth, but when you watch the news, it is so much more often youths involved. I'm talking mainly the alcohol problem of course and the violence and drink-driving stats in particular.

Yes, I know many young ones who are fine people in their own right and an example to many older ones, but the facts remain as I (sadly) have to point out.

What facts? The ones you see on the news? :rofl:

BMWST?

27th April 2011, 19:52

I agree, of course. The Alcohol problem in this country will see TPTB forced to do something eventually, the issue is getting enough people to agree on what to do.

Especially the youth just can't seem to learn anything from the death and destruction they cause to themselves and others. They simply couldn't care less.

the attitude towards alcohol is changing....slowly

short-circuit

27th April 2011, 19:53

the attitude towards alcohol is changing....slowly

Yeah and guess what generation is responsible for this

Smifffy

27th April 2011, 20:00

I think it's the drop in altitude putting pressure on the bladder or something. I always need a P when the plane lands.

Edbear

27th April 2011, 20:05

What facts? The ones you see on the news? :rofl:

Sadly, not exclusively. The news reports what happened, though, and most of the time it appears youth are the culprits esp. in road accidents and stolen cars under the definite influence of alcohol and lots of it.

http://ndp.govt.nz/moh.nsf/pagescm/7752/$File/alcohol-factsheets.pdf

http://www.alcohol.org.nz/NZStatistic.aspx?PostingID=1187

http://www.ahw.org.nz/resources/pdf/Violence_F_Sheet.pdf

Published in '02 but still relevant and you may start from p6.
http://www.aphru.ac.nz/projects/publicSpaces.pdf

98tls

27th April 2011, 20:05

Yeah and guess what generation is responsible for this

Got me,by all means do tell.

Toaster

27th April 2011, 20:08

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2011, 20:33

Some of you people need to meet people addicted to P when they are coming down off a bender. Only then you might grow up a bit. Without a doubt, you may change your mind as they try to kill you.

A number of murders, including child killings over the last decade have been caused by offenders high on P. Still want to encourage making this shit readily available like alcohol?

Alcohol also has a major impact on crime, but it can be used responsibly by the majority of the public. P never allows its users that luxury. It just sucks them in and destroys their lives and the lives of those around them.

Drug users are simply fools and drug dealers are scum.

I have, and you're correct...they're as dangerous as all fuck!

'P' is already readily avail Cam...you know that being ex police. It's here now, and it's here to stay. Best thing in my opinion is to take the control of it away from the gangs etc. Hell...I don't think you should give it away at your local dairy!! But you're never gonna wipe it out, just like they've never been able to wipe out smack, coke, acid or pot let alone MDMA etc. And as far as violent crimes go...bet you'd find alcohol is the number one drug behind rapes.

What happened when they banned BZP based party pills? People imported and moved onto other substances. Or got hold of 'E' and or 'P' etc more than likely sourced from gangs.

Your last bit I can agree with half of it.

short-circuit

27th April 2011, 20:49

Sadly, not exclusively. The news reports what happened, though, and most of the time it appears youth are the culprits esp. in road accidents and stolen cars under the definite influence of alcohol and lots of it.

http://ndp.govt.nz/moh.nsf/pagescm/7752/$File/alcohol-factsheets.pdf

http://www.alcohol.org.nz/NZStatistic.aspx?PostingID=1187

http://www.ahw.org.nz/resources/pdf/Violence_F_Sheet.pdf

Published in '02 but still relevant and you may start from p6.
http://www.aphru.ac.nz/projects/publicSpaces.pdf

I would suggest that the "youth problem" with alcohol (and other substances) is a sensationalist angle that sells well as it appeals to the bulk of media consumers (the older majority of the adult population). Substance abuse is a social problem that manifests across age and socio-economic spectrums:

http://www.alcoholaction.co.nz/Myths

And as far as the causes of alcohol related fatalities - age or experience? This study actually suggests a period exposure to the drug (alcohol) before being handed the keys:

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/DrivingIssues/1059050242.html

sidd

27th April 2011, 20:49

terrible taste in shoes, frankly.

Edbear

27th April 2011, 20:57

the attitude towards alcohol is changing....slowly

Yeah and guess what generation is responsible for this

So what is your attitude, short-circuit and what are you doing to change the attitudes towards alcohol?

The "sensationalism" as you like to call it, is caused by the very high numbers of youth who are clogging up the courts, jail-cells, hospitals and cemetaries...

98tls

27th April 2011, 21:01

I would suggest that the "youth problem" with alcohol (and other substances) is a sensationalist angle that sells well as it appeals to the bulk of media consumers (the older majority of the adult population). Substance abuse is a social problem that manifests across age and socio-economic spectrums:

http://www.alcoholaction.co.nz/Myths

And as far as the causes of alcohol related fatalities - age or experience? This study actually suggests a period exposure to the drug (alcohol) before being handed the keys:

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/DrivingIssues/1059050242.html

I would suggest you could find a "study" on anything with a "finding" to suit whatever opinion suits at the time.I am an older member of the adult population and cheers but i dont need a "study" to tell me whats before my bloody eyes:facepalm:Jesus this is typical of the interweb and i guess the world today,fuck whats going on around ya theres a "study" been done that says its not so.

Edbear

27th April 2011, 21:04

Some of you people need to meet people addicted to P when they are coming down off a bender. Only then you might grow up a bit. Without a doubt, you may change your mind as they try to kill you.

A number of murders, including child killings over the last decade have been caused by offenders high on P. Still want to encourage making this shit readily available like alcohol?

Alcohol also has a major impact on crime, but it can be used responsibly by the majority of the public. P never allows its users that luxury. It just sucks them in and destroys their lives and the lives of those around them.

There is NOTHING good about methanphetamine. There is good reason why supplying this terrible Class A drug carries a life sentence.

Drug users are simply fools and drug dealers are scum.

As I said, maybe more need to accompany the Police on patrol. Easy to be armchair critics, until you are personally affected, of course.

Having a few Cops and ex-Cops as friends and neighbours is a bit of an eye-opener.

98tls

27th April 2011, 21:06

As I said, maybe more need to accompany the Police on patrol. Easy to be armchair critics, until you are personally affected, of course.

Having a few Cops and ex-Cops as friends and neighbours is a bit of an eye-opener.

:facepalm:Ed shuddup,theres a study that says there wrong:yes:Always think of my old ladys comment when reading these threads,she works at a 111 call center and awhile back said to me "if anyone doubts the true state of this country they should spend Thursday thru to Sunday evening here".

short-circuit

27th April 2011, 21:22

I am an older member of the adult population and cheers but i dont need a "study" to tell me whats before my bloody eyes

So am I but I'm not gullible enough to accept popular opinion (based on media hype) as gospel. If attributing all societal ills (including substance abuse) onto the "youth of today" and having it reinforced on Kiwibitcher by the misinformed makes you feel better - then why rock the boat eh?

scumdog

27th April 2011, 21:27

Funnily enough ive seen the same thing happen when Joe Middleage buys a Harley,married and seemingly happy one day next thing its tassled up,apehangers and booze hag on the back:woohoo::woohoo:

Hey, stuff you, I resemble that remark!:blink:

Headbanger

27th April 2011, 21:34

As I said, maybe more need to accompany the Police on patrol. Easy to be armchair critics, until you are personally affected, of course.

Having a few Cops and ex-Cops as friends and neighbours is a bit of an eye-opener.

Well, if anyone is going to get a completely skewed view of society its the cops. (and of course prison guards)

Its why so many of em are fucktards, of course the job attracts fucktards to start with.

scumdog

27th April 2011, 21:39

Smifffy

27th April 2011, 21:39

So what is your attitude, short-circuit and what are you doing to change the attitudes towards alcohol?

The "sensationalism" as you like to call it, is caused by the very high numbers of youth who are clogging up the courts, jail-cells, hospitals and cemetaries...

A lot of the ills of the time were blamed on the 'youth' back when you were one too.

lol

98tls

27th April 2011, 21:51

Hey, stuff you, I resemble that remark!:blink:

:yes:Thought of you when i posted it mate,be sure and tell your better 1/2 shes the best lookin booze hag ever,bar none.:drinkup:

98tls

27th April 2011, 21:58

Well, if anyone is going to get a completely skewed view of society its the cops. (and of course prison guards)

Its why so many of em are fucktards, of course the job attracts fucktards to start with.

Bit like saying if anyones going to get a completely skewed view of motorcycling its Triumph riders (and of course Harley riders) blah blah blah :gob::gob::gob:Jesus H,:facepalm:maybe your right.:gob:

98tls

27th April 2011, 22:03

So am I but I'm not gullible enough to accept popular opinion (based on media hype) as gospel. If attributing all societal ills (including substance abuse) onto the "youth of today" and having it reinforced on Kiwibitcher by the misinformed makes you feel better - then why rock the boat eh?

Give you that one,nicely put to.

Headbanger

27th April 2011, 22:03

Bit like saying if anyones going to get a completely skewed view of motorcycling its Triumph riders (and of course Harley riders) blah blah blah :gob::gob::gob:Jesus H,:facepalm:maybe your right.:gob:

Nope, its nothing like saying that. Triumph riders don't have a different experience then anyone else, unlike cops who experience the worst of society on a daily basis, and it affects them all.

98tls

27th April 2011, 22:12

Nope, its nothing like saying that. Triumph riders don't have a different experience then anyone else, unlike cops who experience the worst of society on a daily basis, and it affects them all.

Course it affects them but you presume its in a bad way.Why without knowing would you presume to know how it affects them as individuals let alone use the "all" word?

Hitcher

27th April 2011, 22:13

What on earth has the War on P got to do with what cops and prison officers see on a day to day basis? Or do the Slacktivists amongst us think that society's problems are caused by elected politicians and paid lawkeepers?

Headbanger

27th April 2011, 22:27

Course it affects them but you presume its in a bad way.Why without knowing would you presume to know how it affects them as individuals let alone use the "all" word?

What? apart from the fact you contradict yourself and by doing so agree with my point, I have no idea what else your saying...

Headbanger

27th April 2011, 22:28

98tls

27th April 2011, 22:35

What? apart from the fact you contradict yourself and by doing so agree with my point, I have no idea what else your saying...

Turn off the smoke alarm then.

short-circuit

28th April 2011, 08:52

NinjaNanna

28th April 2011, 09:02

oneofsix

28th April 2011, 09:14

Interesting that no one picked up on the fact that if it weren't for 2 blokes acting a bit dodgey then 8 others would have walked straight on through :gob:

Only thing this article makes me think about is just how much is walking straight on in without being detected.

On the telly the customs people said the occupations of the smugglers were part of what gave them away. They didn't see how people in the declared occupations could afford the package holiday to NZ. I think it was after this that they started to act dodgey.

avgas

28th April 2011, 09:23

oneofsix

28th April 2011, 09:31

Yeah its a fucked up world and we all have our own perspective.
Take everything you read about illegal drugs, and replace it with the words "illegal speeding".
And before you say "Its not the same" - your right - speeding kills far more people per year than drug overdose.
I am anti-drugs. But thankfully many to take drugs too far, meet Darwin. So making it illegal simply extends their worthless lives. Whats the point?

We should all be allowed to make our own uneducated decisions. And be punished only if our decisions affect other aspects of the law which are already written. E.g. theft, assault etc. Also giving the police the right to shoot/tazer people whom are on drugs or drunk could assist things a bit.

They should be educated decisions, uneducated would have us still believing an eclipse is the gods anger :blink:
You should have the right to do what you like as long as it doesn't affect someone else right to do what they like, you can get drunk but once you start annoying others then you have crossed the line.

scissorhands

28th April 2011, 09:38

"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."

Albert Einstein, "My First Impression of the U.S.A.", 1921

avgas

28th April 2011, 09:43

They should be educated decisions, uneducated would have us still believing an eclipse is the gods anger :blink:
Unfortunately laws are not made for the educated. Hence my comment about being allowed to do things using uneducated decisions. There would probably be no laws if everyone made educated decisions - only principals.

You should have the right to do what you like as long as it doesn't affect someone else right to do what they like, you can get drunk but once you start annoying others then you have crossed the line.
And should be tazered. clear, simple and effective.

Swoop

28th April 2011, 09:56

The old supply and demand principle, eh? This haul will no doubt push up the price further.
The question is "will it"? This stuff is ready to use, but our gangs control the production & distribution in NZ.
I wonder if a tip-off from a gang alerted customs to this lot.

Guess from a coppers point of view a fair reason to have easy access to a gun.
American evidence goes toward a standard service sidearm being "less than adequate" when dealing with a vilolent person high on methamphetamine. Reports of having to shoot an offender with up to 19 rounds are out there.

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2011, 10:01

American evidence goes toward a standard service sidearm being "less than adequate" when dealing with a vilolent person high on methamphetamine. Reports of having to shoot an offender with up to 19 rounds are out there.

Depends on where you shoot the fucker I guess. High or not...I reckon one right between the eyes would stop him/her dead. 'Cuse the pun.

Edbear

28th April 2011, 10:21

A lot of the ills of the time were blamed on the 'youth' back when you were one too.

lol

Give you that one,nicely put to.

The ills are not "blamed on the young" in so much as the young are bringing it upon themselves. How different would it be if these young were not figuring so prominently in the afromentioned courts, jail-cells, hospitals and morgues? You seem to forget that, young short-circuit. Stop being so immature and causing so much mayhem and the "blame" will go away... Not rocket science is it?

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lsk8R_j5zzg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Sigh... Everyone's an expert. You could make the same claim about all the laws of society. Think about it.

Yeah its a fucked up world and we all have our own perspective.
Take everything you read about illegal drugs, and replace it with the words "illegal speeding".
And before you say "Its not the same" - your right - speeding kills far more people per year than drug overdose.
I am anti-drugs. But thankfully many to take drugs too far, meet Darwin. So making it illegal simply extends their worthless lives. Whats the point?

We should all be allowed to make our own uneducated decisions. And be punished only if our decisions affect other aspects of the law which are already written. E.g. theft, assault etc. Also giving the police the right to shoot/tazer people whom are on drugs or drunk could assist things a bit.

Yeah, but whenever have you heard of the punishment fitting the crime?

"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."

Albert Einstein, "My First Impression of the U.S.A.", 1921

See my response to short-circuit. Every law is broken and ignored by certain people, ergo, is every law a failure? Most people obey the law pretty closely and may infringe in a minor way inadvertantly or say, exceeding the speed limit by a few km/h. A minority, flagrantly flout the law at every opportunity because that's the type of person they are and they want to get away with as much as they can. Doesn't matter what the law is.

Then there are the criminal types who break the law to get riches or power at the expense of others. So you tell us, exactly what has law and education done to change people's attitudes? People who care, and are brought up "right", will usually listen to education and follow the law for the common good of society. whereas those brought up in an uncaring environment and without direction, will generally turn out to be lawbreakers and selfish.

Again, it's not rocket science.

short-circuit

28th April 2011, 10:37

The ills are not "blamed on the young" in so much as the young are bringing it upon themselves. How different would it be if these young were not figuring so prominently in the afromentioned courts, jail-cells, hospitals and morgues? You seem to forget that, young short-circuit. Stop being so immature and causing so much mayhem and the "blame" will go away... Not rocket science is it?

Sigh... Everyone's an expert. You could make the same claim about all the laws of society. Think about it.

Yeah, but whenever have you heard of the punishment fitting the crime?

See my response to short-circuit. Every law is broken and ignored by certain people, ergo, is every law a failure? Most people obey the law pretty closely and may infringe in a minor way inadvertantly or say, exceeding the speed limit by a few km/h. A minority, flagrantly flout the law at every opportunity because that's the type of person they are and they want to get away with as much as they can. Doesn't matter what the law is.

Then there are the criminal types who break the law to get riches or power at the expense of others. So you tell us, exactly what has law and education done to change people's attitudes? People who care, and are brought up "right", will usually listen to education and follow the law for the common good of society. whereas those brought up in an uncaring environment and without direction, will generally turn out to be lawbreakers and selfish.

Again, it's not rocket science.

Keep swallowing the crap then Ed - ignore the evidence. It seems in your case that ignorance really is bliss (the news/media/government/bible/mommy told me so).

Edbear

28th April 2011, 10:42

Keep swallowing the crap then Ed - ignore the evidence. It seems in your case that ignorance really is bliss (the news/media/government/bible/mommy told me so).

You really have a chip on your (very) young shoulders, mate. What is your beef? What is your answer? Resorting to personal abuse and ridicule doesn't do you any favours if you want to be taken seriously.

Take a more mature approach and stop being so defensive and you'll find people will listen to you.

MSTRS

28th April 2011, 10:48

American evidence goes toward a standard service sidearm being "less than adequate" when dealing with a vilolent person high on methamphetamine. Reports of having to shoot an offender with up to 19 rounds are out there.

A non-fatal shot would usually incapacitate through shock. That first massive shock numbs the body to any that follow.
If the body is able to absorb the first shock, or is rendered incapable of shock through chemical means, then further shot/s must be of the immediately fatal variety.
How close does the triggerman have to be with a pistol, to ensure accuracy of impact point?

short-circuit

28th April 2011, 10:50

You really have a chip on your (very) young shoulders, mate. What is your beef? What is your answer? Resorting to personal abuse and ridicule doesn't do you any favours if you want to be taken seriously.

Take a more mature approach and stop being so defensive and you'll find people will listen to you.

Not partaking in the tiresome game of ain't it awful ("the youth of today" version), doesn't make me "young" - sadly enough.

P.S: Why don't you read this through and see if it can be of use to you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2011, 10:50

How close does the triggerman have to be with a pistol, to ensure accuracy of impact point?

Point blank???

Edbear

28th April 2011, 10:58

Not partaking in the tiresome game of ain't it awful ("the youth of today" version), doesn't make me "young" - sadly enough.

P.S: Why don't you read this through and see if it can be of use to you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

LOL!!! If you read my posts more carefully, you'll notice I'm not blaming the youth of today for the ills of society, merely pointing out that as regards youth, (I'm more 'direct' and less charitable talking about adults), some, not all, are causing a lot of attention and prejudice due to their own actions. How many times has it been said on KB that the idiots who ride badly are bringing reproach on all motorcyclists?

If you want to know the age groups causing the carnage, talk to those in the front line who are actually there on the scene literally picking up the pieces and answering the 111 calls.

oneofsix

28th April 2011, 11:04

LOL!!! If you read my posts more carefully, you'll notice I'm not blaming the youth of today for the ills of society, merely pointing out that as regards youth, (I'm more 'direct' and less charitable talking about adults), some, not all, are causing a lot of attention and prejudice due to their own actions. How many times has it been said on KB that the idiots who ride badly are bringing reproach on all motorcyclists?

If you want to know the age groups causing the carnage, talk to those in the front line who are actually there on the scene literally picking up the pieces and answering the 111 calls.

Isn't this all part of being young? Why society has to work so hard at protecting them from themselves so they can grow old and wise :drinkup: This is why societies have always used the young, mainly males, as its warriors.

short-circuit

28th April 2011, 11:09

LOL!!! If you read my posts more carefully, you'll notice I'm not blaming the youth of today for the ills of society, merely pointing out that as regards youth, (I'm more 'direct' and less charitable talking about adults), some, not all, are causing a lot of attention and prejudice due to their own actions. How many times has it been said on KB that the idiots who ride badly are bringing reproach on all motorcyclists?

If you want to know the age groups causing the carnage, talk to those in the front line who are actually there on the scene literally picking up the pieces and answering the 111 calls.

And I am suggesting that specifically youth problems with substance consumption, misuse and associated problems are an overstated secondary issue (at best) and a red-hearing that distract from adult abuse and dependence. And, further, that this type of scapegoating is part of the problem as it maintains the status quo.

The current approach to drug "control" is not designed to change anything. It hasn't so far and never will.

Edbear

28th April 2011, 11:19

Isn't this all part of being young? Why society has to work so hard at protecting them from themselves so they can grow old and wise :drinkup: This is why societies have always used the young, mainly males, as its warriors.

Personally I reckon the people who start the wars should fight the wars, that would pretty much wipe out war on this planet.

And I am suggesting that specifically youth problems with substance consumption, misuse and associated problems are an overstated secondary issue (at best) and a red-hearing that distract from adult abuse and dependence. And, further, that this type of scapegoating is part of the problem as it maintains the status quo.

The current approach to drug "control" is not designed to change anything.

I think you'll find that TPTB and commentators are pointing the finger at the adults who are supposed to be caring for the youth. Instead these adults are not only abusing alcohol and drugs themselves, but supplying the impressionable youth with them and to make it a complete failure, not only don't know where their kids are, they don't care where they are.

So the youth aren't doing themselves any favours by behaving as complete morons, but the adults are encouraging them to do so. I'd also like to repeat that I know many young ones who are sensible and responsible and really trying to make something of their lives. Perhaps more should be done to publicise this fact, too. Make good sense and achievement popular?

short-circuit

28th April 2011, 11:31

So the youth aren't doing themselves any favours by....

:brick: "Youth" aren't fucking themselves and others up in disproportionate numbers compared with the rest of us - it is a media fed myth.

Swoop

28th April 2011, 11:33

Depends on where you shoot the fucker I guess. High or not...I reckon one right between the eyes would stop him/her dead. 'Cuse the pun.
The info that I had, portrayed shots to the torso/chest region. One would hope a headshot would work but that is asking quite a lot of the officer concerned.

A drugged-up offender is rather dangerous.

How close does the triggerman have to be with a pistol, to ensure accuracy of impact point?
I seem to remember the distance being 2-3 metres in the US shooting.
Closest range practice comes down to approx 2 metres.

short-circuit

28th April 2011, 11:37

Going back to the main issue...I'm with Crasher/P-smoker-fromwayback on this one: Legalize the lot, medicalise rather than criminalise, educate and regulate like fuck.

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2011, 11:57

Going back to the main issue...I'm with Crasher/P-smoker-fromwayback on this one: Legalize the lot, medicalise rather than criminalise, educate and regulate like fuck.

Hahaha...yeah wonder who thinks I'm a p head! Don't even smoke ciggies nowadays...

rachprice

28th April 2011, 12:01

Going back to the main issue...I'm with Crasher/P-smoker-fromwayback on this one: Legalize the lot, medicalise rather than criminalise, educate and regulate like fuck.

I've never seen him smoke it, too smart for that!

I do think that a lot of people who say they know a lot about these drugs, that are so evil and horrible, don't actually really know what they are talking about, most people get their opinions and views from extremely biased media/internet etc (but both for and against drugs!)

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2011, 12:04

Going back to the main issue...I'm with Crasher/P-smoker-fromwayback on this one: Legalize the lot, medicalise rather than criminalise, educate and regulate like fuck.

And I'm with you on that. What they're doing now ain't working...and I'm afraid never will. Bit like banning smacking eh! How many innocent kids have been bashed to death since?

Fail.

short-circuit

28th April 2011, 12:05

Hahaha...yeah wonder who thinks I'm a p head! Don't even smoke ciggies nowadays...

Nah - no vested interest here either. Don't use any chemicals and my last drink was June 2008.

MSTRS

28th April 2011, 12:07

And I'm with you on that. What they're doing now ain't working...and I'm afraid never will. Bit like banning smacking eh! How many innocent kids have been bashed to death since?

Fail.

More to the point...how many that deserved (and could have benefited from) a short, sharp spank on the bum - didn't get one? Because their parent/s are *too* law-abiding.

short-circuit

28th April 2011, 12:08

Bit like banning smacking eh! How many innocent kids have been bashed to death since?

Fail.

Spot on again - can't argue with logic (well some people manage to)

Maha

28th April 2011, 12:10

There has to be something seriously amiss in ones life for them to subject their body to any illegal drug.

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2011, 12:12

More to the point...how many that deserved (and could have benefited from) a short, sharp spank on the bum - didn't get one? Because their parent/s are *too* law-abiding.

Plenty!!!!

rachprice

28th April 2011, 12:18

There has to be something seriously amiss in ones life for them to subject their body to any illegal drug.

Why? aren't they like any other mind-altering/experience-altering drugs?

Caffeine
Alcohol
LSD
Nicotine
Cannabis

Granted some need more due care than others

But how many of the brilliant artists/scientists etc who pushed the boundaries that you all (not specifically you maha) admire and revere so much, took illegal drugs? And not only in everyday life, but to produce some of the wonderful things that are raved about, often by many of the people that have answered on here claiming drugs are the root of all evil

Who likes Pink Floyd?

Maha

28th April 2011, 12:20

I cant argue with that Rach, there has been moments of absolute brilliance attributed to illegal drugs but....

Drugs got to Pink Floyd in the end....listen to the song 'Poles Apart'.

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2011, 12:30

Who likes Pink Floyd?

Who likes Dali's work? Man, what was that cat on?

Maha

28th April 2011, 12:31

Who likes Dali's work? Man, what was that cat on?

Horrlicks?.....:corn:

Smifffy

28th April 2011, 12:42

Who likes Dali's work? Man, what was that cat on?

I think he just meditates a lot and lights the odd candle. Nice robes though.

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2011, 12:48

I think he just meditates a lot and lights the odd candle. Nice robes though.

Hate to think what the candles were made of. Crushed Opium?

Smifffy

28th April 2011, 12:51

http://vividlife.me/ultimate/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/DalaiLama.jpg

Edbear

28th April 2011, 13:08

There has to be something seriously amiss in ones life for them to subject their body to any illegal drug.

I'm on so many drugs I pity my poor body, and what's left of my mind... :blink:

I could never understand why a person needs to get drunk or stoned to have fun and if they get so far out of it they can't remember anything they've had the best time of their lives... :stupid:

I've been drunk and the experience put me off for life, it was not fun at all. I like the odd drink because it tastes good, (Damn those Mudshakes, have to be disciplined there!) and a cold beer on a hot day after mowing the lawn seems to go down really well, but generally I have the best time when I'm sober, in control and in no danger of falling over and hurting myself, (okay, I still do that sober anyway...:bye:), or doing something I may really regret when I wake up.

Maha

28th April 2011, 13:17

I'm on so many drugs I pity my poor body, and what's left of my mind... :blink:

I could never understand why a person needs to get drunk or stoned to have fun and if they get so far out of it they can't remember anything they've had the best time of their lives... :stupid:

I've been drunk and the experience put me off for life, it was not fun at all. I like the odd drink because it tastes good, (Damn those Mudshakes, have to be disciplined there!) and a cold beer on a hot day after mowing the lawn seems to go down really well, but generally I have the best time when I'm sober, in control and in no danger of falling over and hurting myself, (okay, I still do that sober anyway...:bye:), or doing something I may really regret when I wake up.

I haven't been drunk for almost a year now, dont drink that much to be honest.
I dabbled with weed/hash when I was 17 or so, got caught and thought, what a dick! Never touched any of that shit again.
Dont even smoke tabacco (couldn't afford to even if I wanted to) I guess that $4K+ per year goes on other things now that allows me to enjoy other stuff on a more regular basis, like, just going away for the weekend whenever we want to etc.
I agree with the cold beer or two on a hot day....:drinkup:

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2011, 13:25

I think he just meditates a lot and lights the odd candle. Nice robes though.

Wrong Dali...237440

Edbear

28th April 2011, 13:29

I haven't been drunk for almost a year now, dont drink that much to be honest.
I dabbled with weed/hash when I was 17 or so, got caught and thought, what a dick! Never touched any of that shit again.
Dont even smoke tabacco (couldn't afford to even if I wanted to) I guess that $4K+ per year goes on other things now that allows me to enjoy other stuff on a more regular basis, like, just going away for the weekend whenever we want to etc.
I agree with the cold beer or two on a hot day....:drinkup:

Actually you make a good point. When you weigh up the cost, more people should wake up to how much they are missing out on being able to do or buy what they want due to being helpless slaves to an addiction and to the pushers/dealers who prey on their weakness.

How many P users are hardworking, foresighted people? While some here claim to be or know those who are, I'd like to know the real stories as evidence shows that while they start out believing they are in control and handling it, they sure don't end up that way.

imdying

28th April 2011, 13:47

We had a major distribution P wholesaler across the road, even after telling the cops, it kept up for the next 2 years. The businessman made a stack and moved his premises up the road to a real flash location.The more you post, the more I write you off as part delusional, part liar.

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2011, 14:05

.

How many P users are hardworking, foresighted people? While some here claim to be or know those who are, I'd like to know the real stories as evidence shows that while they start out believing they are in control and handling it, they sure don't end up that way.

I haven't seen anyone here say they're a user?

Edbear

28th April 2011, 14:11

I haven't seen anyone here say they're a user?

True, but some quite happily claim to know users, and one does wonder... I do stand to be corrected.

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2011, 14:16

True, but some quite happily claim to know users, and one does wonder... I do stand to be corrected.

Well you probably know people that smoke cigarettes, don't mean you smoke 'em...

Edbear

28th April 2011, 14:20

Well you probably know people that smoke cigarettes, don't mean you smoke 'em...

True enough, as I said.

Hitcher

28th April 2011, 15:23

You want someone to draw you a picture?

Yes please. Obviously. Thank you.

Headbanger

28th April 2011, 16:07

Yes please. Obviously. Thank you.

No worries, as always, Im happy to help.

237449

Edbear

28th April 2011, 16:36

No worries, as always, Im happy to help.

237449

That's pretty, but I suspect it may be off-topic? I could be wrong...

avgas

28th April 2011, 16:37

Drugs got to Pink Floyd in the end....listen to the song 'Poles Apart'.
Forwards or Backwards?

Headbanger

28th April 2011, 16:44

That's pretty, but I suspect it may be off-topic? I could be wrong...

Its a tangent....

Edbear

28th April 2011, 16:49

Its a tangent....

Ah, the old tangendental angle, I see... :yes:

(Thought it was a couple o' logs on the fire...:facepalm:)

Maha

28th April 2011, 16:52

Forwards or Backwards?

Played backwards it sounds like Justin Beibers lastest offering...
Drugs involved?...you decide.

Maki

28th April 2011, 22:17

Crasherfromwayback

10th May 2011, 15:01

Its a tangent....

THIS is a tangent mate...

<object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/9Ai_tr9uX5c?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9Ai_tr9uX5c?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>

Toaster

10th May 2011, 20:25

Yippee, how much is investigation, legal fees and incarceration going to cost the NZ taxpayer? Millions of $ for sure. What stupid nonsense...

Please send them back to Malasia with the shoes and drugs superglued to their feet. I am not interested in having my money spent on feeding and housing these people for the next few years.

In that case the only equitable system would be to send all convicted criminals back to their own country under some sort of international guarantee of incarceration/punishment. Given that some of these source countries have a death penalty, it would be a relatively cheap alternative to us bearing the cost of their multi-year stay at the pleasure of the Crown and burden of the taxpayer.

At least that way they might go to real prisons instead of our free hotel and lodging arrangements. I would happily sponsor a bullet a day scheme.