Cheers Hone, you arsehole, I really wanted to spend $500k on a by-election

[HenryDorsetCase]

Six months before the general election. Just to satisfy your giant sized ego and give you the opportunity to be a cunt. Fuck you Hone, fuck you.

The sooner the maaaari seats are abolished the better.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4946646/Harawira-forces-Te-Tai-Tokerau-by-election

[BoristheBiter]

Six months before the general election. Just to satisfy your giant sized ego and give you the opportunity to be a cunt. Fuck you Hone, fuck you.

The sooner the maaaari seats are abolished the better.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4946646/Harawira-forces-Te-Tai-Tokerau-by-election

Couldn't have said it any better.
What a wanker he is. Fuck it would be funny if he lost.

[Latte]

Minto, Bradford, and Harawira....... It's like a dream team of NZ Politicians.


If they get the 5% required for MMP I'll eat my hat*


















*over 30-40 meals, cut into extremely small pieces and probably mixed in with the meal so I don't really notice.

[Swoop]

Truly. Fucking. Disgusting.:yes:




Just to satisfy your giant sized ego and pea sized brain, just to give you the opportunity to be a cunt.
There, fixed that for ya!:niceone:

[98tls]

And wouldnt you know it that slapper Bradfords there:facepalm::woohoo::woohoo:So begins another chapter of How to fuck up a country.Methinks we need another Treaty:facepalm:This one we will call the "Wegiveupyouhavebledusdrytreaty".

[Mental Trousers]

A fuckwit in charge of a party of fuckwits. In this case it's actually a shame I chose the General rather than Maori electorate cos I'd make damn sure I voted that wanker out of parliament.

[The Everlasting]

Yeah he's a complete fuckwit,wasting taxpayer money!!

[Ocean1]

Yeah he's a complete fuckwit,wasting taxpayer money!!

The complete politician eh?

[The Everlasting]

The complete politician eh?


Haha yeah,they are very good at wasting taxpayers money,and useless at almost everything else...:lol:

[Swoop]

Ooh.
Nandor Tanczos is involved as well.

It just gets better and better. A quinella of unemployable fuckwits, all with their noses in the public purse.

[98tls]

A fuckwit in charge of a party of fuckwits.

Hardly a recent development though eh.

[Kendog]

The guys is a racist, I hate him.

[\m/]

What a bunch of fuckwits. Uncle Hone can get fucked.

[Mental Trousers]

Hardly a recent development though eh.

We can always hope somebody bombs their party meeting and saves the country a bunch of money.

[Mom]

Took part in a bit of market research last night, asking about this tosser among other things. Party of WINNERS as far as I am concerned.

How dare they spend money this fucking country does not have, attempting to get one of them into government.

Self serving wankers the lot of them. Mind you, I am starting to think most would be pollies are. The ones that are already there for the most part are no different.

Wish I had a thicker skin :yes:

[Mom]

Ooh.
Nandor Tanczos is involved as well.

Nancy Corn Chips confirmed my opinion of this party.

[Ocean1]

Wish I had a thicker skin :yes:

Don't do that m'dear.

There are more tears shed over prayers answered than ever were over those unanswered. Teresa of Ávila

[mashman]

I kinda like the idea that there will be someone with a bit of a gob on them... it may spout the wrong things, but it'd be useful to try to keep the rest of 'em straight. I kinda find it odd that he would allow white political type members to join, if he is such a racist that is. How many white political members did the Maori party have? I honestly don't know. And if that's the case, he's not a very good racist. But I haven't been here that long :). Shame about the bye-election money though.

[oneofsix]

I kinda like the idea that there will be someone with a bit of a gob on them... it may spout the wrong things, but it'd be useful to try to keep the rest of 'em straight. I kinda find it odd that he would allow white political type members to join, if he is such a racist that is. How many white political members did the Maori party have? I honestly don't know. And if that's the case, he's not a very good racist. But I haven't been here that long :). Shame about the bye-election money though.

Winne used to be good for the gift of the gob, even if he did often put his foot in it. Always better in opposition than in power and I suspect Honi will be the same.

[98tls]

We can always hope somebody bombs their party meeting and saves the country a bunch of money.

"Today Northland police averted a potential disaster after a member of the public reported a bomb being placed outside a political party meeting,they simply pushed it inside before it exploded".

[98tls]

I kinda like the idea that there will be someone with a bit of a gob on them... it may spout the wrong things, but it'd be useful to try to keep the rest of 'em straight. I kinda find it odd that he would allow white political type members to join, if he is such a racist that is. How many white political members did the Maori party have? I honestly don't know. And if that's the case, he's not a very good racist. But I haven't been here that long :). Shame about the bye-election money though.

Maybe hes going to take the whole values thing back to its roots,the white fellas just there for smoko maybe.White fella+spa pool,watercress =stew.

[Latte]

Maybe hes going to take the whole values thing back to its roots,the white fellas just there for smoko maybe.White fella+spa pool,watercress =stew.

I reckon it's so when this party turns to shit and implodes (I'll eat my hat if it doesn't*) he can blame it on all the others for being racist.

He was'n t able to pull that card last time and he's pretty clever, so he's planned this one in advance.

[98tls]

I reckon it's so when this party turns to shit and implodes (I'll eat my hat if it doesn't*) he can blame it on all the others for being racist.

He was'n t able to pull that card last time and he's pretty clever, so he's planned this one in advance.

Wont bother him,hes not paying for it all.Tis us that are funding his shit,:woohoo:We have been for years.

[mashman]

Maybe hes going to take the whole values thing back to its roots,the white fellas just there for smoko maybe.White fella+spa pool,watercress =stew.

whatever happened to fava beans and a nice chianti

[Oblivion]

You know, trying to save the Maori language is like throwing money into a bottomless pit.

I hope like hell I can be at the bottom.....Free Money :devil2:

[rebel]

I reckon it's so when this party turns to shit and implodes (I'll eat my hat if it doesn't*) he can blame it on all the others for being racist.

He was'n t able to pull that card last time and he's pretty clever, so he's planned this one in advance.

And we all know the do gooder libitard Greenies Bradford and Minto would do ANYTHING to please a minority pulling the racist card on them.
The real racists themselves the lot of them, you can bet if Hone was a white man saying the same stuff, Bradford and Minto would be calling for his head after a public stoning, the Irony of it all. Watch more people move to Australia if this lot get their way.

[SPman]

So - these guys actually care more about what happens to people than the shysters in charge, yet, the mainstream media have managed to paint them as total raving arseholes because they don't fit into their perceptions, and this has been bought wholesale by the general uninformed public, espec., the "talkback radio screaming loonies" and regarded as fact! Play the rascist card - always good to stir up the proles - we're all rascists at heart, one way or another.
But - hey -another hate fest against people most of you really know little about is good for the bile duct!

What's $500,000, peanuts, when Key can give $36,000,000 to a private yachting syndicate, whilst chopping vital public services! Hone doesn't need a by-election - he's already an elected MP and should romp in again, anyway!

So, it looks like "Uncle Don", will be the polly of choice for all you lot then....
Good luck - I'm glad I'm out of the place!

[schrodingers cat]

And we all know the do gooder libitard Greenies Bradford and Minto would do ANYTHING to please a minority pulling the racist card on them.
The real racists themselves the lot of them, you can bet if Hone was a white man saying the same stuff, Bradford and Minto would be calling for his head after a public stoning, the Irony of it all. Watch more people move to Australia if this lot get their way.

Hone needs to get Chris Carter on board. And Pam Corkery. THen he'd have the full house.

THe thing with MMP is you only need one seat and you can drag another 4 of your ilk in. Surprised he didn't think of it earlier.

[MisterD]

What's $500,000, peanuts, when Key can give $36,000,000 to a private yachting syndicate,
You missed the bit about the contract, signed up to by Cullen and Clark, being binding then? Good job we never let those idiots negotiate on any big deals eh...

Fucking amazing isn't it, that this bunch of f-wits are being backed by UNITE. An organisation that hasn't met it's tax obligations funding a political party advocating the further soaking of people that do.

Hopefully JK will take this and other current events as the excuse to bring the election forward and we can get it all out of the way and enjoy the rugby.

[MisterD]

Surprised he didn't think of it earlier.

The brain doing the smart thinking is Matt McCarten's

[tri boy]

Mickey Mouse got a Hone Harawera watch for his birthday,
Honest.:sunny:

[Ocean1]

mainstream media have managed to paint them as total raving arseholes because they don't fit into their perceptions, and this has been bought wholesale by the general uninformed public

So it's got nothing to do with the fact that they are in fact total raving arseholes?

You learn something new every day...

[short-circuit]

They'll have my party vote come November 26th - the Greens should just amalgamate to provide a more robust centre left option. Minto, Bradford, Hone, Sykes and Nandor - good combo :Punk:

[trustme]

You missed the bit about the contract, signed up to by Cullen and Clark, being binding then? Good job we never let those idiots negotiate on any big deals eh...



Imagine what they might have paid for Tranzrail.

Hone is a Ngapuhi , never trust a Ngapuhi. Mudguards, shiny on top shit underneath.
Maori party was going OK & then who undermines it , one of their own , a Ngapuhi running true to type.

[SPman]

Maori party was going OK & then who undermines it , .That would be Pita and co, I imagine. Jumping into the tub with National and ACT wasn't exactly what most people who voted for them expected - and their performance since then has been excrable.

[trustme]

That would be Pita and co, I imagine. Jumping into the tub with National and ACT wasn't exactly what most people who voted for them expected - and their performance since then has been excrable.

Maori party was formed as a response to Labour's foreshore & seabed act. Had they gone wiith Labour there would have been no change , going with the Nats got them some change , not all that some might wish for but way better than Labour was offering .
The whole Waitangi settlement process was also kicked off by the Nats.. Maori have atually done better under a Nat govt than with Labour governments who have taken them for granted believing they had nowhere else to go.

Hone will be all talk but will find himself without any real influence no matter who is in power. Too much of a loose cannon to be relied on.

[scumdog]

The guys is a racist, I hate him.


Damned straight.

Why don't Bradford, Minto and Harawera just call themselves Huey Dewey and Louie and be done with it??:blink:

[scumdog]

Minto, Bradford, Hone, Sykes and Nandor - good combo :Punk:

What as, the Moron-R-Us drongo touring combo??

[Oakie]

The good thing is that with Hone causing a by-election, he has broken his agreement with the Maori Party who will now be able to stand a candidate against him in the General Election. Without a Maori Party candidate, Hone would have stood a very good chance of winning and then taking 4 others with him into parliament. Scary concept.

[trustme]

He's going to target ' intelligent maori voters'. This I have to watch :corn::corn::corn:

[Oakie]

He's going to target ' intelligent maori voters'. This I have to watch :corn::corn::corn:

Nah. He'd be better off going for the stupid ones.

[Fatt Max]

All I want to know is when do I get my guns back.......

[Oakie]

All I want to know is when do I get my guns back.......

What? Did an iwi renege on a land for guns deal with you?

[puddytat]

Nice big lines being drawn in the sand.....simplify it for the simpletons.

On the far left we have well, the far left.

On the far right we have Don "The Nixon" Brash....

[EJK]

<img src="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=237810&stc=1&d=1304246241" />

[short-circuit]

Nice big lines being drawn in the sand.....simplify it for the simpletons.

On the far left we have well, the far left.

On the far right we have Don "The Nixon" Brash....

These guys aren't "far left" - don't kid yourself Labour are still a centre right party.

[Fatt Max]

Prefer this one myself, sort of settles it for me....

237820

[riffer]

It's not actually that stupid a move.

If (big if!) he wins the by-election on the Mana platform, he becomes the leader of a party, with a big salary increase, and $50,000 extra towards election expenses.

Big gamble but if he pulls it off it gives him a much easier platform to campaign, with a bit more money to do the work.

[Swoop]

He's going to target 'intelligent maori voters'.
Well, he has to.

There is certainly no intelligence in that political lineup, so he has to get good ideas from somewhere. (His mum should be in that party... blend right in, she would.)



The sooner we get rid of MMP and have STV the better!

[Banditbandit]

No-one has to vote for them ... and clearly there are few votes here for Hone's party ...


Ooh.
Nandor Tanczos is involved as well.

It just gets better and better. A quinella of unemployable fuckwits, all with their noses in the public purse.

Are they? How?


How many white political members did the Maori party have? I honestly don't know. And if that's the case, he's not a very good racist. But I haven't been here that long :). Shame about the bye-election money though.

There are quite a few white members of the Māori Party. The first full election they stod on Bob Considine was about number five ont he party list ..


I reckon it's so when this party turns to shit and implodes (I'll eat my hat if it doesn't*) he can blame it on all the others for being racist.



I predict the party will implode after the next election .. whether they get into Parliament or not ..


Wont bother him,hes not paying for it all.Tis us that are funding his shit,:woohoo:We have been for years.

Yes, unfortunately that's the price of democracy.


What as, the Moron-R-Us drongo touring combo??

No. That's ACT ... and maybe what DB should rename the party ...

[Latte]

BanditBandit - you've said previously that the maori party aren't your leaders, does Hone's Mana party fit the bill?

(Serious question - My instinct says it's probably none of the current flock of poli's at all, but interested to hear what you have to say - as an Intelligent Maori).

[Banditbandit]

BanditBandit - you've said previously that the maori party aren't your leaders, does Hone's Mana party fit the bill?

(Serious question - My instinct says it's probably none of the current flock of poli's at all, but interested to hear what you have to say - as an Intelligent Maori).

Thanks for the compliment.

No, Hone is not one of the people I would regard as a leader. Firstly, he's not from my iwi. That makes a major difference. It may well be that enough of the people in Ngā Puhi who regard him as a leader to vote for him. Or at least regard him as a good spokesman for them. That's a major difference in Māori and non-Māori politics.

Many Māori, including myself, agree with a lot of what he says. However, I also think he opens his mouth sometimes without thinking too much .. and drops himself right in it.

I'm not convinced he is in the right place in Parliament. What has happened is pretty much what I thought would happen ... he's got himself offside with everyone, which is not a good thing in a parliamentarian.

Outside the political arena Hone's done a lot of good work (which few of you will know about as the media has not picked it up - just his activist/political stuff).

He'd be better off going back to what he does best - as a backroom boy - and stay out of the political limelight ... he's too much of a loose cannon at times to be in the limelight.

[short-circuit]

Thanks for the compliment.

No, Hone is not one of the people I would regard as a leader. Firstly, he's not from my iwi. That makes a major difference. It may well be that enough of the people in Ngā Puhi who regard him as a leader to vote for him. Or at least regard him as a good spokesman for them. That's a major difference in Māori and non-Māori politics.

Many Māori, including myself, agree with a lot of what he says. However, I also think he opens his mouth sometimes without thinking too much .. and drops himself right in it.

I'm not convinced he is in the right place in Parliament. What has happened is pretty much what I thought would happen ... he's got himself offside with everyone, which is not a good thing in a parliamentarian.

Outside the political arena Hone's done a lot of good work (which few of you will know about as the media has not picked it up - just his activist/political stuff).

He'd be better off going back to what he does best - as a backroom boy - and stay out of the political limelight ... he's too much of a loose cannon at times to be in the limelight.

I would agree with your assessment of Harawira from what I've observed over the years. However I would suggest that politics is exactly where activists belong. Chameleons and masters of compromise like Sharples achieve nothing except the maintenance of the status quo, and are there only for themselves.

[oneofsix]

I would agree with your assessment of Harawira from what I've observed over the years. However I would suggest that politics is exactly where activists belong. Cameleons and masters of compromise like Sharples achieve nothing except the maintenance of the status quo, and are there only for themselves.

Is this the real reason for Hone's party?
A discreet diplomatic lunch, a free trip to Washington and assurance of "assistance" from the US Embassy in Wellington have been used to blunt the Green Party's "radical positions on many issues"
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4949637/Green-Party-lunch-revealed-in-Wikileaks-cable
He just wants his free lunch :corn:

I don't agree that activist belong in parliament. They belong outside parliament but linking to a more moderate party in parliament is a good idea. An extreme version would be the Shin Fain (must have spelt that wrong) and the IRA. Hone and Maori party could make a good partnership in this way.
On their own in parliament activist tend to become the court jester and/or whipping boy.

[MisterD]

Cameleons and masters of compromise like Sharples achieve nothing except the maintenance of the status quo, and are there only for themselves.

I disagree. Politics is all about compromise (what's the cliche? "Art of the possible"?) otherwise all you get is arguing and nothing gets done at all. In the "pro" column for MMP is that you tend to see all the inter-party deals done in public rather than intra-party deals done behind closed doors (in the "anti" column of course is that it now happens after people have actually voted).

[SPman]

Seeking a new mandate from your voters when you switch allegiance or found a new party is the done thing in New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_zealand). Winston did it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauranga_by-election,_1993), and Tariana did it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Tai_Hauauru_by-election,_2004), because they both knew that if they did not, then they would be criticised as lacking a mandate by their former colleagues and the media. As for doing it in election year, Winston's by-election was in April, just 8 months out from the 1993 general election. Yes, it costs money, but that's the price of democracy. And if we weren't paying it, the same people now complaining about the cost would be questioning Harawira's legitimacy as a representative because he had not sought such a mandate.

There is certainly no intelligence in that political lineup, so he has to get good ideas from somewhere. (His mum should be in that party... blend right in, she would.)Really - I would think they are some of the more intelligent people in NZ politics - unfortunately for most, they also have a surfeit of concern for ordinary people, particularly those lower down the food chain and, in the NZ media way of "kick those lower than us", also become the targets of those who can't seem to think, either, for themselves, or for others. They also have big mouths and aren't afraid to use them.
As Herman Melville once said "Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well housed, well warmed and well fed."

[Delerium]

Thanks for the compliment.

No, Hone is not one of the people I would regard as a leader. Firstly, he's not from my iwi. That makes a major difference. It may well be that enough of the people in Ngā Puhi who regard him as a leader to vote for him. Or at least regard him as a good spokesman for them. That's a major difference in Māori and non-Māori politics.

Many Māori, including myself, agree with a lot of what he says. However, I also think he opens his mouth sometimes without thinking too much .. and drops himself right in it.

I'm not convinced he is in the right place in Parliament. What has happened is pretty much what I thought would happen ... he's got himself offside with everyone, which is not a good thing in a parliamentarian.

Outside the political arena Hone's done a lot of good work (which few of you will know about as the media has not picked it up - just his activist/political stuff).

He'd be better off going back to what he does best - as a backroom boy - and stay out of the political limelight ... he's too much of a loose cannon at times to be in the limelight.

Does the iwi of which a maori belongs to still hold considerable weighting in politics and how maori vote for etc?

Genuine question, not trying to have a dig, just a bit of an unknown concept to myself is all.

[Edbear]

Thanks for the compliment.

No, Hone is not one of the people I would regard as a leader. Firstly, he's not from my iwi. That makes a major difference. It may well be that enough of the people in Ngā Puhi who regard him as a leader to vote for him. Or at least regard him as a good spokesman for them. That's a major difference in Māori and non-Māori politics.

Many Māori, including myself, agree with a lot of what he says. However, I also think he opens his mouth sometimes without thinking too much .. and drops himself right in it.

I'm not convinced he is in the right place in Parliament. What has happened is pretty much what I thought would happen ... he's got himself offside with everyone, which is not a good thing in a parliamentarian.

Outside the political arena Hone's done a lot of good work (which few of you will know about as the media has not picked it up - just his activist/political stuff).

He'd be better off going back to what he does best - as a backroom boy - and stay out of the political limelight ... he's too much of a loose cannon at times to be in the limelight.

How do you put that line above the 'a'? (Māori).

[Banditbandit]

How do you put that line above the 'a'? (Māori).

I have a keyboard set up to do it ... in most documents you can do it through symbols. All the macrons are there and you can see hot keys. On my jome PC (which is never online) I use Ctrl+Alt+ (vowel for macron) ..

[Banditbandit]

Does the iwi of which a maori belongs to still hold considerable weighting in politics and how maori vote for etc?

Genuine question, not trying to have a dig, just a bit of an unknown concept to myself is all.

Yes, it does. Not in a major way that each iwi holds meetings and discussions, but Mri do tend to vote on iwi lines. All the Māori candidates stand in electorates where they have iwi - Tarianna is Ngati Apa ... Te Ururoa Flavel is Ngati Awa, Hone is Ngā Puhi .. I'm not sure what Peter Sharples links are in Tamaki - I believe he is Ngati Kahungunu, but he does have active links through Hone Waititi marae in Auckland.

It is not likely that a Māori candidate with no links into an electorate will be elected. Such a candidate would not have the credibility with the voters, unless they were someone like Peter Shaprles who had worked in the elctorate for years.

There's basically two approaches to politics - one is the national-interest one. Historically Māori have tried to set up their own national organiations - The Kingitanga and the Kotahitanga Parliament were/are two such. They have never been successful, as many Māori do not agree to anything higher than an iwi-level organisation. The majority of contemporary Māori still subscribe to the iwi-level organisational idea. THis is largely a product of the Māori renaisense, and the schools which teach iwi/hapu/whanau-focused organisational structures.

Going back further into history, the word Iwi was translated as nation by many Māori of the 19th century - and such a translation gives a better picture of how it all operated than the trasation of iwi as tribe.

It's a complex question in many ways - but also a simple one. The answer is not likely to be elected ... It's around the concept of who do they represent? And for us The Iwi is the basic answer ...

[Maha]

.

Many Māori, including myself

Surely even you would have to agree that you are part maori.
Even Ken Mair is part Irish.
I watched Q n A yesterday...how can Derek Fox get away with using the word Hori on national TV?

[Banditbandit]

Surely even you would have to agree that you are part maori.

Hmmm ... errr ... Yes .. of course, I have Māori ancestors, Scottish ancestors, English ancestors and Irish Ancestor ... we (Māori) do not exclude people on the basis of blood quantum - that's a Pākehā concept ...



Even Ken Mair is part Irish.

Yep. Descended from Gilbert Mair - of New Zealand Wars fame .. and he acknowledges it too. (He's a whanaunga from Whanganui)


I watched Q n A yesterday...how can Derek Fox get away with using the word Hori on national TV?

"Cause it's difficult to accuse Derek of being racist against Māori? I dunno ... I'd need to see the context to comment properly and I missed it.

[Edbear]

I have a keyboard set up to do it ... in most documents you can do it through symbols. All the macrons are there and you can see hot keys. On my jome PC (which is never online) I use Ctrl+Alt+ (vowel for macron) ..

I'll have to see if I can on this laptop. It's always bothered me that I can't use correct grammar.

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4964292/Harawira-honours-bin-Laden-as-freedom-fighter


So, this loathsome racist prick Harawira reveals even more of his true colours. Leaving aside that he was quoted as saying he wouldnt want one of his daughters to go out with a white person (yep, a racist fuckwit), he now thinks Osama is a freedom fighter?

Fucker. I am beginning to really dislike this arsehole.

[Banditbandit]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4964292/Harawira-honours-bin-Laden-as-freedom-fighter


So, this loathsome racist prick Harawira reveals even more of his true colours. Leaving aside that he was quoted as saying he wouldnt want one of his daughters to go out with a white person (yep, a racist fuckwit), he now thinks Osama is a freedom fighter?

Fucker. I am beginning to really dislike this arsehole.

I'm pretty sure Hone did not say he wouldn't want his daughter to come home with a white person .. that's a conflation of what he did say ...

[Swoop]

So, this loathsome racist prick Harawira reveals even more of his true colours. Leaving aside that he was quoted as saying he wouldnt want one of his daughters to go out with a white person (yep, a racist fuckwit), he now thinks Osama is a freedom fighter?
It will make party meetings rather interesting, considering the ethnic makeup of his fellow party members.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It will make party meetings rather interesting, considering the ethnic makeup of his fellow party members.


they're such PC wishy washy liberals they have no morals and feel guilty for being New Zealanders.

I like your avatar a lot by the way

[Brett]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4964292/Harawira-honours-bin-Laden-as-freedom-fighter


So, this loathsome racist prick Harawira reveals even more of his true colours. Leaving aside that he was quoted as saying he wouldnt want one of his daughters to go out with a white person (yep, a racist fuckwit), he now thinks Osama is a freedom fighter?

Fucker. I am beginning to really dislike this arsehole.

The guy is genuinely deluded. I have less respect for him than any other politician.

[mashman]

You are fuckin shittin me. Hone is looking at it from the view of Bin Lady's family and his followers. I reckon his retraction is the most insulting thing that Hone has done to date, in my book anyway (not been here long). :facepalm: He should have stuck with his statement instead of bowing to the media perception that he is as bad as Bin Lady (the apology makes him look flakey, not the sentiment)... and all because he understands that some will view BL's departure as a loss. In regards to what I think, I hope Bin Lady died in utter agony and that it took a few hours to get there. He committed some attrocious acts on some very innocent people. But make no mistake. I understand that Bin Lady will be missed by those who knew him both as a person, and by those who believed in what he was doing... and if it is a Maori custom to not speak ill of the dead... at least Hone stuck to 1 of his principles.

[BoristheBiter]

You are fuckin shittin me. Hone is looking at it from the view of Bin Lady's family and his followers. I reckon his retraction is the most insulting thing that Hone has done to date, in my book anyway (not been here long). :facepalm: He should have stuck with his statement instead of bowing to the media perception that he is as bad as Bin Lady (the apology makes him look flakey, not the sentiment)... and all because he understands that some will view BL's departure as a loss. In regards to what I think, I hope Bin Lady died in utter agony and that it took a few hours to get there. He committed some attrocious acts on some very innocent people. But make no mistake. I understand that Bin Lady will be missed by those who knew him both as a person, and by those who believed in what he was doing... and if it is a Maori custom to not speak ill of the dead... at least Hone stuck to 1 of his principles.

God MM thats the worst troll i have seen all day.:rofl:

I did find it funny how Hone said that OBL was fighting for his people when he is a Saudi and fighting a religious war.

[mashman]

God MM thats the worst troll i have seen all day.:rofl:

I did find it funny how Hone said that OBL was fighting for his people when he is a Saudi and fighting a religious war.

That ain't no troll... I thought you would have figured that out by now :yes:

I won't comment on that, because you won't like the answer if you think the above was a troll.

[BoristheBiter]

That ain't no troll... I thought you would have figured that out by now :yes:

I won't comment on that, because you won't like the answer if you think the above was a troll.

I thought you would know me better than that. I did put a :rofl: in there after all.

Sorry had a few beers.:laugh:

[puddytat]

yeah nah,he lost what credibility he had with me when he said that

[mashman]

I thought you would know me better than that. I did put a :rofl: in there after all.

Sorry had a few beers.:laugh:

argh :rofl: :facepalm:

[one-speed]

Six months before the general election. Just to satisfy your giant sized ego and give you the opportunity to be a cunt. Fuck you Hone, fuck you.

The sooner the maaaari seats are abolished the better.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4946646/Harawira-forces-Te-Tai-Tokerau-by-election

LOL :ar15:

[trustme]

Hone told us what he really believes. He is not apologising for what he said , he is apologising for being caught out.

[oldrider]

Do not underestimate Hone for a moment, he is a very skilled political activist and becoming a very skilled politician.

Consider for a moment the most important attribute a politician needs to be successful.

To stay firmly focussed in the limelight ... "publicity"!

The adage: "The only bad publicity for a politician ... is no publicity".

Hone is the master of milking publicity!

Look at the way he (Hone) took control of the Brash "debate", despite his lack of academic comparison, he absolutely creamed Brash and simply used Sainsbury as if he owned him personally!

Like him or loath him, Hone is here to stay, underestimate him at your peril. :mellow:

[98tls]

Hone is the master of milking publicity!


Hones master plan involves the milking New Zealand.

[oldrider]

Enlighten me, does anybody know if Hone has spent any time in Libya?

Some time back a group of Maori activists apparently spent some time there!

Perhaps if Hone was among them, he may have met Osama personally.

My memory is getting passed it's use by date but I feel sure the Harawira family were involved.

Anybody know how to check it out?

[Banditbandit]

Enlighten me, does anybody know if Hone has spent any time in Libya?

Some time back a group of Maori activists apparently spent some time there!

Perhaps if Hone was among them, he may have met Osama personally.

My memory is getting passed it's use by date but I feel sure the Harawira family were involved.

Anybody know how to check it out?

It was Syd Jackson (now dead) and his wife who visited Libya

[oldrider]

It was Syd Jackson (now dead) and his wife who visited Libya

Thank you, it was quite a while ago!

[jazfender]

I don't see the issue as being that someone is using the system in place to legitimately advance their cause, I see it as being that it costs $500k for a byelection in the first place.

Ironically the country saves that money if he stands unopposed. Is that a system we want?

[mashman]

I don't see the issue as being that someone is using the system in place to legitimately advance their cause, I see it as being that it costs $500k for a byelection in the first place.

Ironically the country saves that money if he stands unopposed. Is that a system we want?

The rules are the rules and they are the rules that they have created and that they must abide by :). Be it for better or worse depends on the politician and what they achieve... under the rules that have been put in place :corn: i'm sure 1 will do something momentous :wait:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Don't be a nitpicker :D. Yes we are a constitutional monarchy with a Parliament democratically elected. Strictly, we are governed by the Executive Council which is presided over by the Governor-General. As you'll instantly recall from your Constitutional Law lectures ;)


I had blocked most of it out.... the lectures were at 9am on a Monday morning and to quote one of my clients "mornings are so not for you, are they?"

[mashman]

that one eyed shite!!!

Have a nice fuckin Day. :motu:

[jasonu]

Have a nice fuckin Day. :motu:

No, just some straight talking from a 'white motherfucker'.

[mashman]

No, just some straight talking from a 'white motherfucker'.

We are all entitled to our opinions. I just really REALLY don't subscribe to yours (anymore)

[trustme]

The herald runs a story this morning about the Harawira family stand over tactics on the Waitangi marae. The sister belted a Kaumatua on a marae in BOP not so long ago when he disagreed with her, maori guy that was telling me about it had total contempt for the family.
Just remember, history tells us the Harawira idea of treating maori mental health patients is to beat shit out of them.
Guess thats what freedom fighters do.

[Delerium]

The whole lot of them are racist bags of shit. Thuggery and standover tactics is all they know. The rest of the country moves on while they continue to drag their knuckles on the ground.

[Mungatoke Mad]

OBL never was a freedom fighter - unless you mean freedom from US interference in Arab countries and support for dictatorial regimes. He wanted the US out of Saudi Arabia - that was his stated aim and that he achieved when the US pulled their airbase out in 2003 - anything after that was a bonus, as far as OBL was concerned. OBL was NOT Pol Pot or the Taliban - you are getting confused with other movements (the Talibs have been around since the English were in Afghanistan.). He was not a nice man - but he was an effective fighter against the US, using whatever means he could to attack them - just as the US attack Islam (that is how a lot of Muslims see it - you attack one Islamic country - you attack them all).
Anyhow - by the time the Yanks got him, he was a tired git, smoking weed to control pain, under house arrest by the Pakistan ISI and an increasing problem for the Islamic world who are using other means to do the same thing - but a goldmine to Pakistan, who could milk the Yanks for billions in military aid, as long as OBL was "somewhere out there". The US have known about the "compound" since it was built - OBL was sold out by "trusted" couriers, under "interrogation".
Anyway, the Harawiras - believe in what they do, but, should really take a course in "how not to really piss most people off"!& we belive they are Arseholes Hone's to Stupid to remember to show up to vote 4 himself so he's gunna need your vote

[jaffaonajappa]

Ifr a foreign power did not like the Government of New Zealand and invaded to affect "regime change" I would certainly fight back ...


Dude - youd proly be NZ's first casualty - your so messed up and back to front - ya understand the round exits the barrel yeah? Go test it out. Twice if needed.

[Banditbandit]

Dude - youd proly be NZ's first casualty - your so messed up and back to front - ya understand the round exits the barrel yeah? Go test it out. Twice if needed.

Hey man .. you're getting repetative - a dangerous thing when a person uis taking aim at you ...

[steve_t]

Ahaha... Hone may miss the by-election. That'd be frickin hilarious

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10725219

[Bikemad]

Outside the political arena Hone's done a lot of good work (which few of you will know about as the media has not picked it up - just his activist/political stuff).



so please tell us the details of the "good work" hone has done

[boostin]

Ahaha... Hone may miss the by-election. That'd be frickin hilarious

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10725219

So if everyone makes a submission on the name of the party it should be held up for a while.

[Delerium]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4996046/Harawira-lecture-axed-because-of-redneck-racism


AU cancelled his talk at the law school today due to a protest against it. some good quotes from the racist thug include 'I beleive it was only pakeha students, I dont think any maori kids were involved at all' and 'I thought racism was dead and buried'.

[Banditbandit]

so please tell us the details of the "good work" hone has done

Why? Is there a chance you might vote for him :rofl: yeah right ..

[BoristheBiter]

Why? Is there a chance you might vote for him :rofl: yeah right ..

I actually think it is a reasonable question to ask.

We hear all his filibustering about what needs to be done, his rants about how it's all the white mans fault, his crying that someone protesting him but what has he done for NZ?

I put him him in the same group as Winston and the greens, good outside government, but should never be aloud to make the rules.

[mattian]

What perplexes me the most is the news medias obsession with Hone Harawira and his antics. Realistically, what percentage of the NZ community does he represent with his views? Even amongst the Maori community he would represent a minority group surely? Yet, every night, we have to sit through another "news" item about what hes been up too.
TVNZ and TV3 news are obsessed with the man.

[jasonu]

I actually think it is a reasonable question to ask.

but what has he done for NZ?



FUCKING NOTHING except stir shit!

[PrincessBandit]

This explains everything.
(sorry I don't know how to embed)
I was sent this recording of his speech.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs7BbDiOqZ0

[Oblivion]

This explains everything.
(sorry I don't know how to embed)
I was sent this recording of his speech.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs7BbDiOqZ0

But crap is only coming out of one end. If it was Hone, It'd be coming out of both ends :rofl:

[jaffaonajappa]

Hey man .. you're getting repetative - a dangerous thing when a person uis taking aim at you ...

Argh - fair call. Not sure why or how I double posted that....I didnt intend to.

But regardless of double posting stuff....You remind me of those Cantabrians - One Eyed.

[Winston001]

What perplexes me the most is the news medias obsession with Hone Harawira and his antics. Realistically, what percentage of the NZ community does he represent with his views? Even amongst the Maori community he would represent a minority group surely? Yet, every night, we have to sit through another "news" item about what hes been up too.
TVNZ and TV3 news are obsessed with the man.

The answer? Lazy reporting and easy pickings. Hone provides cheap sensationalist clips in soundbites.

My instinct is to blame the low standards of current journalism but actually that isn't fair. We have some very good journalists but you'll only find their deeper work in the occasional column or in their blogs.

Really we the public are to blame. Put a serious program on television...and we change channels. Print a thoughtful newspaper article...and its passed over for the sports news. I don't know how we change this but at present many people find life too complex and busy to pause and think.

[Camshaft]

i cant believe he's still around, evry1 hates him, he's blatantly racist, maoris hate him, he publicly breaks the law. How can anyone take him seriously.

[Bikemad]

Why? Is there a chance you might vote for him :rofl: yeah right ..

no i would never vote for him.........you were the one sayin he has done "good work" that the media wont report or pick up on :violin: so now is your chance to put the record straight and enlighten us all and share the details of his "good work" so we have a more balanced view of the man
i suspect the truth is more like his poisonous hag mother wanted to go into politics but cant because of her criminal conviction for beatin up children at the maori psyc unit years ago so she pushed little Johnny into it instead

[SPman]

I put him him in the same group as Winston and the greens, good outside government, but should never be aloud to make the rules.So, you'd prefer the current white, wealthy old men to make the rules? - which seem to be mainly about making it a great place for other white, wealthy males, and fuck the rest!

[BoristheBiter]

So, you'd prefer the current white, wealthy old men to make the rules? - which seem to be mainly about making it a great place for other white, wealthy males, and fuck the rest!

Sounds good to me.

No hang on, lets get don in with act and do away with all benefits, now that sound like a better plan.

And remember the golden rule.

[oldrider]

i cant believe he's still around, evry1 hates him, he's blatantly racist, maoris hate him, he publicly breaks the law. How can anyone take him seriously.

Everyone hates him?????? Bullshit!

Early polling results will show you just how much they revere him!

Gradually reality will conquer the bullshit ... sort of like Obama (yes we can) and now we know ... no he didn't!

Criticising the status quo is very easy, actually doing something different and effective is not!

Hone will IMHO be found wanting in the end!

[Camshaft]

Everyone hates him?????? Bullshit!

Early polling results will show you just how much they revere him!

Gradually reality will conquer the bullshit ... sort of like Obama (yes we can) and now we know ... no he didn't!

Criticising the status quo is very easy, actually doing something different and effective is not!

Hone will IMHO be found wanting in the end!


most posts here agree with my statement.

[oldrider]

most posts here agree with my statement.

True! Unfortunately the polls do not consult KB ... mores the pity! :shutup:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sounds good to me.

No hang on, lets get don in with act and do away with all benefits, now that sound like a better plan.

And remember the golden rule.

what's the golden rule?

is it like a golden shower?

[ac3_snow]

what's the golden rule?

is it like a golden shower?

pretty much, think its just 'piss on everyone'

[BoristheBiter]

what's the golden rule?

is it like a golden shower?

Them with the gold makes the rules.

[Winston001]

what's the golden rule?

is it like a golden shower?

Cripes things must still be tough in Christchurch! Knew your toilets were out but taking golden showers...:blink:.








You are in our thoughts. ;)

[meteor]

Unfuckenbelievable. Minto joining the racist party... WTF's with that?

[oneofsix]

Unfuckenbelievable. Minto joining the racist party... WTF's with that?

Minto wont call it racist. A a white liberal from way back he will term it positive discrimination and call it a good thing. :facepalm:

[short-circuit]

Minot wont call it racist. A a white liberal from way back he will term it positive discrimination and call it a good thing. :facepalm:

I think you mean affirmative action...another A+ for the A team.

Mana party could well have my party vote, although Hone'll take the te tai tokerau electorate anyways :niceone:

[rebel]

I think you mean affirmative action...another A+ for the A team.


Affirmative action, yep, just another word for racism.

[short-circuit]

Affirmative action, yep, just another word for racism.

Do your homework. Or a google search at the very least.

psst: Don Brash is an inbred (racist) beancounter.

[ellipsis]

....sent my way today...



....Give this person a medal for (un)common sense. Fantastic













Wow!!! it's nice to see some people take responsiblity for their own lives .I wonder how many people will listen to what this chap is saying?





This has to be the Letter of the year - Northern Advocate 14.02.2011. A young man from Ruakaka wrote this.


Letters to the editor:


Hone's views are out of touch.
I am a 20-yr old Maori born in the Far North.
I am sick and tired of Hone Harawira saying he is speaking for all North Maori. Like a lot of my friends, we are not Hone Harawira fans. His mother say's he has always been a leader. No way is he a leader. A leader is someone who can see both sides. Hone is just all for anything Maori.
Look, when his Nephew assaulted the Prime Minister, right away Hone stated "He's a fine young man".. No Hone, he acted like a thug. You would have got my and a lot of other people's respect if you had spoken out against the attack. How verbal would you have been if a Pakeha had attacked our Maori King?
My Grandmother was a very proud Maori woman, her view was the Maori Party was not needed, we are all simply Kiwis..
There is a Statute of Limitations on most grievances; why does it not apply to the Treaty? We have Pakeha & Maori blended happily in our family. My grandmother used to listen to the "I want it's" as she called them, and told me "If you are going to to live in the past, you will never be a part of the future".
No one needs to own the fore-shore. God gave it to us all to enjoy. If Hone wants to help Maori, he could try and put a stop to Maori youth crime and Maori abusing their children. Hone, do you know or care how many Maori children are in care, taken from bad parents? I do, and it is scary.
Tourists robbed at the Falls in Whangarei, again, Maori.. When you talk about Hone's followers, why not try talking to Maori who work and who do not spend all day in pubs and playing the pokies.
Hone talks about Maori health and education being at the bottom of the scrap heap.
I stayed at school and got a degree. I have looked at an old school photo. I am one of two Maori to do this. All the rest dropped out, eight got pregnant, most smoked. Hone, this was their choice. Did their families care? No way. You can't blame Pakeha and the government for everything.
Stop spoon-feeding Maori, Far North Maori have turned into whining "you owe me" no hopers..

[oneofsix]

....
Stop spoon-feeding Maori, Far North Maori have turned into whining "you owe me" no hopers..

seems the letter author doesn't understand that Hone just wants a raise in his benefit payments. He will get more as a leader of a party than as a backbencher or independent. Hone is the ultimate "you owe me" no hoper.

[LankyBastard]

Now all we need is the media to pick up on this sort of thing, would be very interesting to see how Hone would reply!!

It has restored my faith. Slightly.

[MisterD]

psst: Don Brash is an inbred (racist) beancounter.

I don't think he's racist in the slightest, but haven't made up my mind whether to vote for him yet...

On that theme, did you seen Tau Henare's quote? "Hone's so racist he puts chocloate milk in his cup of tea."

[avgas]

So, you'd prefer the current white, wealthy old men to make the rules? - which seem to be mainly about making it a great place for other white, wealthy males, and fuck the rest!
Nah what we need is a hot Filipino girl to make the rules.
She can't fuck it up any worse, and at least I would have some eye candy on the political news.
I already have Nadine in the business news.http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1356661558/Nadinepurple__Small__bigger.JPG

Ahhhh Nadine. fapfapfapfapfapfapfap....

[ellipsis]

Nah what we need is a hot Filipino girl to make the rules.
She can't fuck it up any worse, and at least I would have some eye candy on the political news.
I already have Nadine in the business news.http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1356661558/Nadinepurple__Small__bigger.JPG

Ahhhh Nadine. fapfapfapfapfapfapfap....

...next thing you know, the poor mans taxes are buying 10,000 dollar shoes...by the dozens...

[Bikemad]

Now all we need is the media to pick up on this sort of thing, would be very interesting to see how Hone would reply!!

It has restored my faith. Slightly.

truth is Hone wouldnt reply to that .........from what i have seen when the questions get to tough or sensible Maori like him clam up or back peddle to the ol treaty rip off wah wah

[jim.cox]

The Ratana Church's "Hikoi for Hone" has got off to a quiet start in its bid to pump up support for Mana Party candidate Hone Harawira a week before the Te Tai Tokerau by-election next weekend.

The hikoi to support Mr Harawira and his newly formed Mana Party began at the Kai Maia Ratana Church in south Auckland at first light today with 12 people on a bus for its trip north to Kaitaia.

By the time the bus got through Waitakere in west Auckland, the numbers had dropped to six, said Ratana minister Kereama Pene.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9657931/hikoi-for-hone-starts-quietly-and-fades/

[Swoop]

Interestingly in this part of West Auckland, his billboards have been graffitied, vandalised and attacked en masse.
The liarbour billboards appear untouched.

Could get interesting at election time.

[Banditbandit]

Interestingly in this part of West Auckland, his billboards have been graffitied, vandalised and attacked en masse.
The liarbour billboards appear untouched.

Could get interesting at election time.

Looking at poll results (yeah - I know - ureliable) Labour has a good chance to getting the seat back .. very interesting ... It looks like Tai Tokerau is annoyed with the Maori Party - instead of going with Hone enough voters are switching back to Labour .. enough to give the seat to Labour ...

[oldrider]

The only thing I like about MMP is that it has got Maori more involved in actually running the country!

Unfortunately this Hone circus is distracting them from the real issues and misdirecting their attention away from them.

Never the less, having now entered the political water, there is no turning back and they will get it right in the end.

IMHO running back to Labour is a retrograde step.

Good luck to them, I hope it doesn't take too long to get sorted and back on track!