Over how many days should a nz road race championship meeting be held?

[The Chow]

Go to www.nzsbk.com to vote on this new poll. Just something to throw in the mix.

Matter of interest our first poll, how many rounds should there be for a national championship series is below.

Poll Result
HOW MANY ROUNDS SHOULD THERE BE OF THE NATIONAL ROAD RACE SERIES?

1 Round
0 (0%)
2 Rounds
3 (2%)

3 Rounds
2 (1%)

4 Rounds
28 (21%)

5+ Rounds
96 (74%)

Cheers

[CHOPPA]

As a spectator id like to see 10 rounds. As a racer the costs are far too high. 4 rounds with 3 races would be an improvement.

Anyway the poll could be limited to competitors?

[The Chow]

As a spectator id like to see 10 rounds. As a racer the costs are far too high. 4 rounds with 3 races would be an improvement.

Anyway the poll could be limited to competitors?

No ,but very good points and but the poll was to give an indication only and has achieved this, I think the argument for 3 or less rounds is not an option, the gap is too wide in the results to contemplate less than 4 rounds surely .Anyway details should really be nutted out with commissioner and clubs at the AGM etc.

[DerekP]

Hmmm interesting... all the opinions banded around on how the Nationals should be this or should be that, yet when a basic poll comes up on how they should be run, the status quo is voted for by the majority....:facepalm:

[Billy]

Hmmm interesting... all the opinions banded around on how the Nationals should be this or should be that, yet when a basic poll comes up on how they should be run, the status quo is voted for by the majority....:facepalm:

Thats cause most of the experts that pretend they know how it can all be improved,Are never going to participate anyway,Go figure

[lukemillar]

It would be nice if there was an additional NI round to the current format. Anyone know why Taupo isn't used? Is it the surface repairs?

[Kickaha]

It would be nice if there was an additional NI round to the current format. Anyone know why Taupo isn't used? Is it the surface repairs?

Because no organising club wants to run one there

[The Chow]

Because no organising club wants to run one there

Sorry not true , my understanding there are two clubs expressing interest or have expressed in Taupo. It has become more attractive because of costs at other tracks.

[CHOPPA]

Sorry not true , my understanding there are two clubs expressing interest or have expressed in Taupo. It has become more attractive because of costs at other tracks.

Now that would be good! We have to have a minimum of 10 races so you can have a DNF and still get up in the points. The best solution for 600 and 1000 is that the races are increased to 3 races per meeting.

The cost of Invercargill is a bit steep and the club doesnt even want us there. If the 2 south rounds were in Timaru and Ruapuna on consecutive weekend and then say Hampton and Taupo on consecutive weekends but a month apart that means no matter if your from the north or south then you only need just over a week off work which is much better then 3 weeks!

[scrivy]

You sure you don't race on 3 wheels Choppa??

[lostinflyz]

Now that would be good! We have to have a minimum of 10 races so you can have a DNF and still get up in the points. The best solution for 600 and 1000 is that the races are increased to 3 races per meeting.

The cost of Invercargill is a bit steep and the club doesnt even want us there. If the 2 south rounds were in Timaru and Ruapuna on consecutive weekend and then say Hampton and Taupo on consecutive weekends but a month apart that means no matter if your from the north or south then you only need just over a week off work which is much better then 3 weeks!

if you jack the entry fee to be the same as hd or manfield i woulda thought its farkin cheap. The only places i heard moaning (and alot of it) about track hire was at HD and Manfield .....

if invercargill were to go (stupidest idea in the world) then puke has to come back, we need at least 1 fast circuit.

[burtsidecar16]

heh you seem to be missing one ingredient we need the clubs to be fevered about running a national round ,from what i have heard they are sick of loosing money and so until we get them feeling good about it we are pushing a great big pile of crap up hill with a toothpik

[slowpoke]

if invercargill were to go (stupidest idea in the world) then puke has to come back, we need at least 1 fast circuit.

Stupidest idea in the world? Haha, you don't get on here much do ya pal?

I kinda like Choppa's 4 round, 3 races per round idea. If all classes had a race on the saturday (lose the second un-necessary qualifying session) it would give spectators more reason to come through the gate on both days.

Having said that racing at Teretonga is definitely on my bucket list

[DerekP]

The cost of Invercargill is a bit steep and the club doesnt even want us there. [/QUOTE]

Don't the organising clubs have to apply to MNZ to run an event i.e a round of Nationals? Why would SMCC bother if they didn't want run it?

[lostinflyz]

Stupidest idea in the world? Haha, you don't get on here much do ya pal?

I kinda like Choppa's 4 round, 3 races per round idea. If all classes had a race on the saturday (lose the second un-necessary qualifying session) it would give spectators more reason to come through the gate on both days.

Having said that racing at Teretonga is definitely on my bucket list

Yep its still the stupidest idea i've heard. Name one justification for having no round at invercargill, outside Northerners being pussies???? HD is the most expensive event to enter (and i'd wagger a bet it runs at the biggest loss) with the fewest competitors so surely that would be the first you consider scrapping?? Not to mention it was run even worse than the Invers event this year, despite invers being run by a new crew and having the shittest weather you can imagine.

None the less, if theres someone interested in running the rounds, you have to run them, or else we cannot possibly moan about tracks not being built/not having enough.

None the less we digress from the threads point. I see no reason to shorten the length of the weekend. As a nats competitor if i thought it would be beneficial for more track time, i'd find a way to do it (i.e. when HD was new, alot of teams from the SI went north 2-3 weeks prior to nats just for a testday). The only reason to shorten the weekend is to reduce the operating costs for the club, (run sat or sun only, there the expensive ones).

I can't speak for everyone but if nats was shorter, it'd only mean i use new tyres each race, did twice as many test days or had carbon wheels. Sure itll make entry's cheaper, but it wont make being competitive any cheaper. In the end all you will do is dilute the field and show it to less people, which benefits who or what...............

[jellywrestler]

un-necessary qualifying session

I reckon the qualifying is one of the highlights of the weekend for spectators

[CHOPPA]

I reckon the qualifying is one of the highlights of the weekend for spectators

We actually have only 1 qual session. I think we need to have 2 15 min practices 1 15min qualifying 3 15 lap races but have a maximum of 3 sets of tyres.

Something they have introduced into MX and SX all around the world is quick fire short races to keep spectators excited!

Imagine having 3x 6 lap sprint races with 5 mins between races it would be way more exciting to watch

[budda]

The cost of Invercargill is a bit steep and the club doesnt even want us there.

Brain in gear before opening cake gate Choppa - where the hell do you get THAT idea from ?????? You of all people should understand just how toxic little untruths are on here - the old "if its on the Massssssties, it must be true" BULLSHIT !!!!!!!!

[CHOPPA]

[QUOTE=CHOPPA;1130051828]The cost of Invercargill is a bit steep and the club doesnt even want us there. QUOTE]

Brain in gear before opening cake gate Choppa - where the hell do you get THAT idea from ?????? You of all people should understand just how toxic little untruths are on here - the old "if its on the Massssssties, it must be true" BULLSHIT !!!!!!!!


It was based on what I saw, no one seemed to know what was going on at briefing, threats to abandon the event and send home flag marshals etc.

Just what I can remember off the top of my head.....

1, Brian raised a issue regarding flag marshals to look where the rider is going not where they are coming from. This was greeted by an abusive steward suggesting that because flag marshals are volunteers then they can do the job however they like and if we dont like it they will go home.

2, I raised an issue regarding the Pit Lane start process, I was promptly told that there were no pit lane starts from a steward and an official.

3, The person giving the briefing had no idea what was going on as far as what practices were going on who was racing who was qualifying and for how long and tried to tell 600s and 1000s that we were only having 10 mins for qualifying.

A briefing shouldnt break out in several arguments as it did when the riders have resonable questions about the event and safety issues so based on the fact that these guys that were running the event didnt want to be there then I would be right to assume that they dont really want us there and they would be happy to run a club meeting thats not as important?

[Billy]

It was based on what I saw, no one seemed to know what was going on at briefing, threats to abandon the event and send home flag marshals etc.

Just what I can remember off the top of my head.....

1, Brian raised a issue regarding flag marshals to look where the rider is going not where they are coming from. This was greeted by an abusive steward suggesting that because flag marshals are volunteers then they can do the job however they like and if we dont like it they will go home.

Actually Sloan it was Johnny Hepburn asking the question and it was about the flaggies identifying which riders had passed under the yellow flag,Brian only intervened after the "Volunteer statement was made


2, I raised an issue regarding the Pit Lane start process, I was promptly told that there were no pit lane starts from a steward and an official.

3, The person giving the briefing had no idea what was going on as far as what practices were going on who was racing who was qualifying and for how long and tried to tell 600s and 1000s that we were only having 10 mins for qualifying.

A briefing shouldnt break out in several arguments as it did when the riders have resonable questions about the event and safety issues so based on the fact that these guys that were running the event didnt want to be there then I would be right to assume that they dont really want us there and they would be happy to run a club meeting thats not as important?

Im sure if you contact Southland MCC you will discover the person organising the meeting was dropped in it at the last minute and with little help or advice from outside,The same goes with the other helpers involved and while I was annoyed on the day as well,Now that Ive bothered too gather the relevant information from those involved,I have a better understanding,

Thank you SMCC and Steve Winteringham for the extra effort involved in getting this meeting together under VERY trying circumstances(NOT TOO MENTION THE FARKEN WEATHER).I hope you will be around to run a better organised meeting next year.

[budda]

Im sure if you contact Southland MCC you will discover the person organising the meeting was dropped in it at the last minute and with little help or advice from outside,The same goes with the other helpers involved and while I was annoyed on the day as well,Now that Ive bothered too gather the relevant information from those involved,I have a better understanding,

Thank you SMCC and Steve Winteringham for the extra effort involved in getting this meeting together under VERY trying circumstances(NOT TOO MENTION THE FARKEN WEATHER).I hope you will be around to run a better organised meeting next year.

THANKYOU Billy - all agree that the Teretonga meet wasnt quite up to its usual standard, but Billy is 100% correct, the Organiser was the guy who put his hand up to help, or the Event would NOT HAVE HAPPENED .......... AT ALL

Sloan, I REALLY look forward to the day when you get your wish and run your own meeting !

[scrivy]

No ones answered the title of the thread:
'Over how many days should a nz road race championship meeting be held?'

How many days should it be held on?? 1 day? 2 days? 3 days? What??

[slowpoke]

We actually have only 1 qual session. I think we need to have 2 15 min practices 1 15min qualifying 3 15 lap races but have a maximum of 3 sets of tyres.

Something they have introduced into MX and SX all around the world is quick fire short races to keep spectators excited!

Imagine having 3x 6 lap sprint races with 5 mins between races it would be way more exciting to watch

Oops, my bad, for some reason I thought it was 2 qual sessions.

Yep, I remember in Western Australia they surveyed the club meeting spectators and the overwhelming response was for several shorter races rather than 2 longer ones. To give the clubman's guys experience at starts (scariest part for the inexperienced) they used to even break up one of the 8 lap races into 2 x 4 lappers back to back. They'd do the first 4 lap race and come straight around off the cool down lap and grid up for another one without leaving the track.

[wharfy]

Brain in gear before opening cake gate Choppa - where the hell do you get THAT idea from ?????? You of all people should understand just how toxic little untruths are on here - the old "if its on the Massssssties, it must be true" BULLSHIT !!!!!!!!


THANKYOU Billy - all agree that the Teretonga meet wasnt quite up to its usual standard, but Billy is 100% correct, the Organiser was the guy who put his hand up to help, or the Event would NOT HAVE HAPPENED .......... AT ALL

Sloan, I REALLY look forward to the day when you get your wish and run your own meeting !

I know this is Kiwibiker but I feel that less emotional and sarcastic replies would be more helpfull.

[Billy]

No ones answered the title of the thread:
'Over how many days should a nz road race championship meeting be held?'

How many days should it be held on?? 1 day? 2 days? 3 days? What??

Yip,Good point,

Most people probably did the same as me,Which was too vote on the poll.

My take would be 3 days

[CHOPPA]

THANKYOU Billy - all agree that the Teretonga meet wasnt quite up to its usual standard, but Billy is 100% correct, the Organiser was the guy who put his hand up to help, or the Event would NOT HAVE HAPPENED .......... AT ALL

Sloan, I REALLY look forward to the day when you get your wish and run your own meeting !

I still dont think thats a good enough excuse to have a shit attitude.

Billy its not up to me to call the club.

Its all about attitude, if the club had have been approachable instead of bloody abusive and aggressive then I would have a completely different opinion

[gixerracer]

No ones answered the title of the thread:
'Over how many days should a nz road race championship meeting be held?'

How many days should it be held on?? 1 day? 2 days? 3 days? What??

3 days it is the Nationals for f--k sake may be one practice on Saturday morning then Q in the early afternoon and maybe an 8 lap race also Saturday arvo using the same tyres you Q on and then a couple of 12-15 lap races on Sunday

[discodan]

I'm with Sloan, all credit to Steve he did as good a job as was humanly possible I think but I felt like I was not wanted there. For example, when the computer system went down I walked all the way over to the timing tower and up the stairs to offer my assistance and was told to piss off before I had even put my hand on the door handle.

This compared to the previous year when we were made to felt really welcome.

[Billy]

I still dont think thats a good enough excuse to have a shit attitude.

Billy its not up to me to call the club.



Well how do you expect things to get better if nobody makes suggestions,You dont have to call them,You can email them or even send a letter.

Communication is a 2 way street and without it there will be no improvement.

[budda]

they used to even break up one of the 8 lap races into 2 x 4 lappers back to back. They'd do the first 4 lap race and come straight around off the cool down lap and grid up for another one without leaving the track.

funnily enough, thats one of the suggestions I've already made for a change of format for next season. Already done here for years with 250 proddy racing, StreetStock/ProLites, hell -even the Supers had a try and seemed to enjoy it ...... 3 rows of 4 ( so only the fastest 12 ) 3 or 4 lap race, regrid with row 2 on the front, another 3-4 lapper, then regrid with row 3 on the front, at the end of the last "heat" the best points score wins ... the Trophy has some VERY illustrious names on it, both from the past AND of the future

Maybe some enterprising Clubs would like to trial it over a Winter Series ?????

[lostinflyz]

It was based on what I saw, no one seemed to know what was going on at briefing, threats to abandon the event and send home flag marshals etc.

Just what I can remember off the top of my head.....

1, Brian raised a issue regarding flag marshals to look where the rider is going not where they are coming from. This was greeted by an abusive steward suggesting that because flag marshals are volunteers then they can do the job however they like and if we dont like it they will go home.

2, I raised an issue regarding the Pit Lane start process, I was promptly told that there were no pit lane starts from a steward and an official.

3, The person giving the briefing had no idea what was going on as far as what practices were going on who was racing who was qualifying and for how long and tried to tell 600s and 1000s that we were only having 10 mins for qualifying.

A briefing shouldnt break out in several arguments as it did when the riders have resonable questions about the event and safety issues so based on the fact that these guys that were running the event didnt want to be there then I would be right to assume that they dont really want us there and they would be happy to run a club meeting thats not as important?

correct me if im wrong, but weren't alot of these arguments with mnz officials????

[Tim 39]

It was based on what I saw, no one seemed to know what was going on at briefing, threats to abandon the event and send home flag marshals etc.

Just what I can remember off the top of my head.....

1, Brian raised a issue regarding flag marshals to look where the rider is going not where they are coming from. This was greeted by an abusive steward suggesting that because flag marshals are volunteers then they can do the job however they like and if we dont like it they will go home.

2, I raised an issue regarding the Pit Lane start process, I was promptly told that there were no pit lane starts from a steward and an official.

3, The person giving the briefing had no idea what was going on as far as what practices were going on who was racing who was qualifying and for how long and tried to tell 600s and 1000s that we were only having 10 mins for qualifying.

A briefing shouldnt break out in several arguments as it did when the riders have resonable questions about the event and safety issues so based on the fact that these guys that were running the event didnt want to be there then I would be right to assume that they dont really want us there and they would be happy to run a club meeting thats not as important?

The only riders briefing I went to was the one at HD, and it had the exact same issues in the same order, so I'm sure it wasn't just Teretonga that had that happen. The south island rounds all had the same steward so that wasn't only teretonga either. These problems seemed to be very generic

[neil_cb125t]

Another round up north just makes sense - its funny how F3 gets more points attributing races then the 'top' classes.... the 'top' classes benefit from an extra practice or qualify ( i can't remember which ) maybe a swap could happen there??

After Spectating for nearly all the rounds it seems that the problems encountered are a 'pressure' problem. If a safety issue or voice of improvement was raised on free practice Friday to any attributing member of the rounds orginiser then it would be very easily covered at riders brief removing the presure.....i.e. " ah yes nic we are removing that tyre this morning before you go out "

The problems APPEARED to be everytime a rider mentioned a point or something that could KILL him/her the IMMEDIATE response was DENY and ATTACK. And there was no way anyone could voice any points BEFORE riders brief. MNZ keeping motorcycling safe, fun and fair..... as the motto states this should be paramount - the rebutle on the safety issues raise was simply the against their own motto, a learning opportunity you could say.

I leave you on a possitive ending...... how well was the round run at Manfield..? ran by a bunch of people who hadn't run a road race event in nearly 10 years or something. In the morning they were 20mins ahead of schedule, so they stopped and looked after the marshalls while they had time..... brain surgens!

Then some good looking guy put on an unofficial after party with 20min notice..:woohoo:

[Shaun]

I reckon the qualifying is one of the highlights of the weekend for spectators

Agree with this mate:yes: now I'll read on

[Shaun]

3 days it is the Nationals for f--k sake may be one practice on Saturday morning then Q in the early afternoon and maybe an 8 lap race also Saturday arvo using the same tyres you Q on and then a couple of 12-15 lap races on Sunday

Harden up SOFTY:woohoo: 3 On Sunday also on 1 Front 2x Rears:sunny:

[Rodger96]

Why cant you have a two round nationals? one south one north each year.Swap round track's every year,It must have some benefit's?? atleast clubrider's who have wanted to do nationals can afford too..

[gixerracer]

funnily enough, thats one of the suggestions I've already made for a change of format for next season. Already done here for years with 250 proddy racing, StreetStock/ProLites, hell -even the Supers had a try and seemed to enjoy it ...... 3 rows of 4 ( so only the fastest 12 ) 3 or 4 lap race, regrid with row 2 on the front, another 3-4 lapper, then regrid with row 3 on the front, at the end of the last "heat" the best points score wins ... the Trophy has some VERY illustrious names on it, both from the past AND of the future

Maybe some enterprising Clubs would like to trial it over a Winter Series ?????

I can c y several of our top riders and a couple of or young fast buggers are looking at racing in OZ and flaging the NZ scene this is just bollocks for a National Championship series

[budda]

I can c y several of our top riders and a couple of or young fast buggers are looking at racing in OZ and flaging the NZ scene this is just bollocks for a National Championship series

I see you "K Y" LOTS of things - still waiting on YOUR reply to my email of 4-5 weeks ago seeking users feedback re the past season - or dont you have an opinion, young man ?

[scrivy]

several of our top riders and a couple of our young fast buggers..........

So, which category are you in?????? :shutup::innocent:

[scrivy]

I see you "K Y" LOTS of things - still waiting on YOUR reply to my email of 4-5 weeks ago seeking users feedback re the past season - or dont you have an opinion, young man ?

A top level reply to one of NZ's top level racers.......
....and we wonder why members have had a gutsful of MNZ's over the top attitude towards us.

Not a good way to treat an individual that you have volunteered to help.

[budda]

A top level reply to one of NZ's top level racers.......
....and we wonder why members have had a gutsful of MNZ's over the top attitude towards us.

Not a good way to treat an individual that you have volunteered to help.

How kind of you to proffer your opinion on yet another issue thats got SFA to do with you - must have worked, as I received from Craig a very well thought out and constructed reply ( as you'd expect form a Gent of his stature ) this very morning

At the risk of coming across all smarmy, thank you Craig - I appreciate the time you take to try and assist positive change - much more difficult than multi-tasking by calling all and sundry liars while simultaneously polishing ones dolphin

[gixerracer]

How kind of you to proffer your opinion on yet another issue thats got SFA to do with you - must have worked, as I received from Craig a very well thought out and constructed reply ( as you'd expect form a Gent of his stature ) this very morning

At the risk of coming across all smarmy, thank you Craig - I appreciate the time you take to try and assist positive change - much more difficult than multi-tasking by calling all and sundry liars while simultaneously polishing ones dolphin

All good G.
You no me well enough to not take me seriously esp on this bull shit site :facepalm:

[Billy]

All good G.
You no me well enough to not take me seriously esp on this bull shit site :facepalm:

WTF!!!I thought everything on here was gospel!!!!

[The Chow]

WTF!!!I thought everything on here was gospel!!!!

Isn't it now you done it Billy , You have just shattered my dreams , that's twice today.

[The Chow]

WTF!!!I thought everything on here was gospel!!!!

Isn't it? now you done it Billy , You have just shattered my dreams , that's twice today.

[The Chow]

WTF!!!I thought everything on here was gospel!!!!

Isn't it? now you've done it Billy , You have just shattered my dreams , that's twice today.