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What part of "especially critical" don't you understand? You are suspicious about the Pentagon crash!?!? What are you saying, was it alienz? :gob:
my last post - i'm bored with you now.
we have been talking about the towers, then you drop AA flight 77 into the mix. the 'especially critical' is of the flying skill to crash into the pentgon, not the towers, as we have been debating (at your start) since page 1. i am yet to see concrete evidence of a 757 into the pentagon, but i have an open mind either way at this stage. what i don't dispute, or even question, is that hijackers overtook the cockpits of AA flight 11 and UA flight 175, and flew them into the side of the twin towers.
BoristheBiter
5th May 2011, 19:15
The phrase you're looking for is "Guess we'll have to agree to disagree".
No problem.
I was so board with him i just typed something, i was surprised it was even a coherent sentence
BoristheBiter
5th May 2011, 19:35
So super human bionic pilots, piloting holograph planes that cannot do what they allegedly did into the tower that only collapsed because of the sideways burning thermite (A secret, not known to the world, except the makers and conspiracy theorists) and explosives in the building, whilst a plane crashed into the Pentagon to destroy paper work that wasn't able to be found, due to not knowing it's whereabouts or even being sure of it's existence, that was most almost sort of likely to definitely be in that particular room, except, the plane didn't exist and it was a missile that exploded parts of fuselage onto the surrounding area.
Simple as. :yes:
No you have to pay attention.
A airport security salesman went forward in time and stole the USS Enterprise and an invisibility cloak (not sure whether it is Romulan or Harry's).
On his way back he picked up Captain America and the Human Torch and a shit load of dynamite.
Upon arriving back Captain America put on the cloak and planted the dynamite, the crew of the Enterprise (some of which are dem Aliems) fixed a zip line to both towers, beamed two planes that just happened to be flying passed onto the zip lines.
when all looked like it would fail the Human Torch lit the fuses (and stood well back) and the towers came down.
Results were the salesman made millions and was able to spend it by making a time machine to back to find himself and tell him of his cunning plan (yes it was nearly a weasel).
Right got that?
As for the pentagon? Haven't got a clue.
ellipsis
5th May 2011, 19:49
...the enterprise at the Krusty Krab, never even got off the bottom of the river bed before some, alledgedly, 'towel head, toe rags', fucked it big time. Eugene Krabs may have been a Republican, but he got no help from GWB and even less from the new regime...a fucking big conspiracy, Spongebob reckons...:yes:
ducatilover
5th May 2011, 20:16
No you have to pay attention.
A airport security salesman went forward in time and stole the USS Enterprise and an invisibility cloak (not sure whether it is Romulan or Harry's).
On his way back he picked up Captain America and the Human Torch and a shit load of dynamite.
Upon arriving back Captain America put on the cloak and planted the dynamite, the crew of the Enterprise (some of which are dem Aliems) fixed a zip line to both towers, beamed two planes that just happened to be flying passed onto the zip lines.
when all looked like it would fail the Human Torch lit the fuses (and stood well back) and the towers came down.
Results were the salesman made millions and was able to spend it by making a time machine to back to find himself and tell him of his cunning plan (yes it was nearly a weasel).
Right got that?
As for the pentagon? Haven't got a clue.
I don't know for sure, but, I am sure there were some short cunts walking to a mountain during this?
my last post - i'm bored with you now.
we have been talking about the towers, then you drop AA flight 77 into the mix. the 'especially critical' is of the flying skill to crash into the pentgon, not the towers, as we have been debating (at your start) since page 1. i am yet to see concrete evidence of a 757 into the pentagon, but i have an open mind either way at this stage. what i don't dispute, or even question, is that hijackers overtook the cockpits of AA flight 11 and UA flight 175, and flew them into the side of the twin towers.
I thought we were discussing the pilot skills of hijackers, one of which is supposed to have hit the Pentagon, but never mind.
It just struck me that you admitted you were "suspicious" about the Pentagon.
Would you mind telling us why you are or are not suspicious about:
"George Bush claimed to have seen the first plane hit the World Trade Tower on a television in Booker Elementary School before going into a classroom to hear some children read. This is a strange story because there were no live broadcasts of this impact."
Air defenses that on any normal day would react to errant airliners failed to do anything.
An exercise that seems to have confuse/paralyzed air defenses was going on at the same time as the attacks.
Cell phone calls from airliners in 2001.
Alleged hijackers, still alive and well after 911.
Aircraft alleged to have been used on 911 to crash into building, still in use and registerd at least until 2005.
A steel frame building, WTC7 collapses into it's own footprint at or near free fall speed because it was hit by some debris.
BBC reported WTC7 collapsed before it actually did. (They are great reporters...)
An alleged hijackers passport appears intact from the WTC inferno.
Records in the Pentagon are destroyed and accountants are killed who could have helped shed light on the missing 2.3 trillion USD.
5 Israelis set up a camera on the other side of the Hudson river, videotaped the disaster and danced and cheered as it unfolded.
The evidence, steel from the buildings that collapsed was not investigated and analyzed but sent away to China and India for recycling!
Bin Laden in Afghanistan is running the show!
Bin Laden kindly destroyed buildings that needed to be demolished anyway.
Entities that made huge sums by selling airline stocks before 911 have never been identified and investigated.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
It just goes on and on, and you are "suspicious" about the Pentagon! And I suppose all this other stuff makes perfect sense you?
Quasievil
6th May 2011, 08:07
I thought we were discussing the pilot skills of hijackers, one of which is supposed to have hit the Pentagon, but never mind.
It just struck me that you admitted you were "suspicious" about the Pentagon.
Would you mind telling us why you are or are not suspicious about:
"George Bush claimed to have seen the first plane hit the World Trade Tower on a television in Booker Elementary School before going into a classroom to hear some children read. This is a strange story because there were no live broadcasts of this impact."
Air defenses that on any normal day would react to errant airliners failed to do anything.
An exercise that seems to have confuse/paralyzed air defenses was going on at the same time as the attacks.
Cell phone calls from airliners in 2001.
Alleged hijackers, still alive and well after 911.
Aircraft alleged to have been used on 911 to crash into building, still in use and registerd at least until 2005.
A steel frame building, WTC7 collapses into it's own footprint at or near free fall speed because it was hit by some debris.
BBC reported WTC7 collapsed before it actually did. (They are great reporters...)
An alleged hijackers passport appears intact from the WTC inferno.
Records in the Pentagon are destroyed and accountants are killed who could have helped shed light on the missing 2.3 trillion USD.
5 Israelis set up a camera on the other side of the Hudson river, videotaped the disaster and danced and cheered as it unfolded.
The evidence, steel from the buildings that collapsed was not investigated and analyzed but sent away to China and India for recycling!
Bin Laden in Afghanistan is running the show!
Bin Laden kindly destroyed buildings that needed to be demolished anyway.
Entities that made huge sums by selling airline stocks before 911 have never been identified and investigated.
It just goes on and on, and you are "suspicious" about the Pentagon! And I suppose all this other stuff makes perfect sense you?
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BoristheBiter
6th May 2011, 08:25
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The capture of Osama, cool.:rofl:
How do you get these photos so quick?
You must realy have good contacts.
fatzx10r
6th May 2011, 08:41
It just goes on and on
keep going :corn:
onearmedbandit
6th May 2011, 08:48
Watch out Maki, you're asking too many questions and the FBI and CIA will be aware of your actions. If you stop posting in this thread we'll assume you've been 'cleansed' and accept what you're claiming as factual.
BoristheBiter
6th May 2011, 08:57
Watch out Maki, you're asking too many questions and the FBI and CIA will be aware of your actions. If you stop posting in this thread we'll assume you've been 'cleansed' and accept what you're claiming as factual.
I somehow don't think it will shut him up.
fwiw I lean towards a tomohawk sub-sonic cruise missile or drone aircraft (although in 2001 drones were not as advanced as they are now) hitting the pentagon - no warhead, just impact. I have my reasons why I think that, but I can't be fucked arguing it.
http://tinyurl.com/3bzcryz
I'm still waiting for Maki's aviation qualifications, but like any dyed-in-the-wool conspiricay theorist, asking multiple questions without really answering anything is ops normal.
onearmedbandit
6th May 2011, 10:13
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Jantar
6th May 2011, 11:05
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"George Bush claimed to have seen the first plane hit the World Trade Tower on a television in Booker Elementary School before going into a classroom to hear some children read. This is a strange story because there were no live broadcasts of this impact."
If you read the interview, and follow the timeline, where he was asked about this it is quite clear that he did see a plane hit the WTC before entering the classroom. Only it was the second plane he saw, but at the time thought it was the first.
Air defenses that on any normal day would react to errant airliners failed to do anything.
From the timeline: 8:24 A radio transmission comes from Flight 11: "We have some planes. Just stay quiet, and you'll be okay. We are returning to the airport." It is believed Atta mistakenly held a button directing his voice to radio rather than to the plane's cabin as he intended. A few seconds later, Atta's voice says, "nobody move. Everything will be OK. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet." Air traffic controllers hear the transmission.
So why should NORAD be alerted when at the time the ATCs believed the (suspected) hijacked plane was returning to the airport. The situation could be dealt with on the ground.
However once a 3rd transmission is heard without any sign of the aircraft returning (Transponder turned off) we find:
8:34: A third transmission from Flight 11: "nobody move please. We are going back to the airport. Don't try to make any stupid moves."
8:34: Dan Bueno from Boston Center notifies the tower controller at Otis Air National Guard Base at Cape Cod of the hijacking of Flight 11. The controller directs Bueno to contact NEADS (Northeast Air Defense Sector), the northeast sector of NORAD.[1] The controller then notifies Otis Operations Center that a call from NEADS might be coming.[2] Two F15 pilots begin to suit up.[3]
So we see that NORAD reacted as soon as they were notified.
8:44: Flight attendant Amy Sweeney, aboard Flight 11, reports by telephone to Michael Woodward at the American Airlines Flight Services Office in Boston, "Something is wrong. We are in a rapid descent... we are all over the place." A minute later, Woodward asks her to describe what she sees out the window. She responds, "I see the water. I see the buildings. I see buildings..." After a short pause, she reports, "We are flying low. We are flying very, very low. We are flying way too low." Seconds later she says, "Oh my God, we are way too low.” The call ends with a burst of very loud, sustained static.
This is the first confirmation of a hijacking.
8:46: Two F-15 fighter jets are ordered to scramble from Otis Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts, intended to intercept Flight 11. Because Flight 11's transponder is off, the pilots do not know the location of their target. NEADS spends the next several minutes watching their radar screens in anticipation of Flight 11 returning a radar contact.
An exercise that seems to have confuse/paralyzed air defenses was going on at the same time as the attacks.
Obviously not. Less than 2 minutes from confirmation of a hijacking to scrambling the fighters.
Cell phone calls from airliners in 2001.
And? Cell phones worked from jet liners back in 1986. The problem is that cell phone calls from aircraft trigger too many cell towers and use too much bandwith. IOW $$$$. That is why the use of cell phones from aircraft was banned, not for the reasons that airlines commonly state.
Alleged hijackers, still alive and well after 911.
Debunked: http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Hijackers_still_alive
Aircraft alleged to have been used on 911 to crash into building, still in use and registerd at least until 2005.
Still registered? Yes, that wouldn't be too unusual. But still in use? Now that one is a bit hard to believe. Please give some evidence eg a reference to aircraft log, or even a tech log would help.
A steel frame building, WTC7 collapses into it's own footprint at or near free fall speed because it was hit by some debris.
BBC reported WTC7 collapsed before it actually did. (They are great reporters...)
Already covered earlier in this thread.
An alleged hijackers passport appears intact from the WTC inferno.
Stranger things have happened. But from this event are you saying that a hijacker survived? Or just what are you claiming as a result?
Records in the Pentagon are destroyed and accountants are killed who could have helped shed light on the missing 2.3 trillion USD.
If an aircraft hit my place of work, I am sure that some records would be lost also. It just depends on what part of the building is hit as to what records are lost.
Plesae explain how records of some sort or other couldn't be lost in this type of incident?
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"George Bush claimed to have seen the first plane hit the World Trade Tower on a television in Booker Elementary School before going into a classroom to hear some children read. This is a strange story because there were no live broadcasts of this impact."
If you read the interview, and follow the timeline, where he was asked about this it is quite clear that he did see a plane hit the WTC before entering the classroom. Only it was the second plane he saw, but at the time thought it was the first.
Air defenses that on any normal day would react to errant airliners failed to do anything.
From the timeline: 8:24 A radio transmission comes from Flight 11: "We have some planes. Just stay quiet, and you'll be okay. We are returning to the airport." It is believed Atta mistakenly held a button directing his voice to radio rather than to the plane's cabin as he intended. A few seconds later, Atta's voice says, "nobody move. Everything will be OK. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet." Air traffic controllers hear the transmission.
So why should NORAD be alerted when at the time the ATCs believed the (suspected) hijacked plane was returning to the airport. The situation could be dealt with on the ground.
However once a 3rd transmission is heard without any sign of the aircraft returning (Transponder turned off) we find:
8:34: A third transmission from Flight 11: "nobody move please. We are going back to the airport. Don't try to make any stupid moves."
8:34: Dan Bueno from Boston Center notifies the tower controller at Otis Air National Guard Base at Cape Cod of the hijacking of Flight 11. The controller directs Bueno to contact NEADS (Northeast Air Defense Sector), the northeast sector of NORAD.[1] The controller then notifies Otis Operations Center that a call from NEADS might be coming.[2] Two F15 pilots begin to suit up.[3]
So we see that NORAD reacted as soon as they were notified.
8:44: Flight attendant Amy Sweeney, aboard Flight 11, reports by telephone to Michael Woodward at the American Airlines Flight Services Office in Boston, "Something is wrong. We are in a rapid descent... we are all over the place." A minute later, Woodward asks her to describe what she sees out the window. She responds, "I see the water. I see the buildings. I see buildings..." After a short pause, she reports, "We are flying low. We are flying very, very low. We are flying way too low." Seconds later she says, "Oh my God, we are way too low.” The call ends with a burst of very loud, sustained static.
This is the first confirmation of a hijacking.
8:46: Two F-15 fighter jets are ordered to scramble from Otis Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts, intended to intercept Flight 11. Because Flight 11's transponder is off, the pilots do not know the location of their target. NEADS spends the next several minutes watching their radar screens in anticipation of Flight 11 returning a radar contact.
An exercise that seems to have confuse/paralyzed air defenses was going on at the same time as the attacks.
Obviously not. Less than 2 minutes from confirmation of a hijacking to scrambling the fighters.
Cell phone calls from airliners in 2001.
And? Cell phones worked from jet liners back in 1986. The problem is that cell phone calls from aircraft trigger too many cell towers and use too much bandwith. IOW $$$$. That is why the use of cell phones from aircraft was banned, not for the reasons that airlines commonly state.
Alleged hijackers, still alive and well after 911.
Debunked: http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Hijackers_still_alive
Aircraft alleged to have been used on 911 to crash into building, still in use and registerd at least until 2005.
Still registered? Yes, that wouldn't be too unusual. But still in use? Now that one is a bit hard to believe. Please give some evidence eg a reference to aircraft log, or even a tech log would help.
A steel frame building, WTC7 collapses into it's own footprint at or near free fall speed because it was hit by some debris.
BBC reported WTC7 collapsed before it actually did. (They are great reporters...)
Already covered earlier in this thread.
An alleged hijackers passport appears intact from the WTC inferno.
Stranger things have happened. But from this event are you saying that a hijacker survived? Or just what are you claiming as a result?
5 Israelis set up a camera on the other side of the Hudson river, videotaped the disaster and danced and cheered as it unfolded.
From http://www.911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html
What’s more, if you look at the full 20/20 transcript from which this story is derived, you find that Maria says she saw the van park after she’d been watching the WTC for a few minutes. And so they did not film the first impact. The report also talks about other issues involved with this story, so we’ve not snipped any of those and you should read the whole lot, however we’ve emphasised Maria’s testimony so that’s easier to pick out:
So, if you are claiming they had foreknowledge of the event, they sure bungled it by not being set up in time.
The evidence, steel from the buildings that collapsed was not investigated and analyzed but sent away to China and India for recycling! .
Some steel was analysed as shown in this peer reviewed study http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-3Draft.pdf
Bin Laden in Afghanistan is running the show!
Bin Laden kindly destroyed buildings that needed to be demolished anyway.
Entities that made huge sums by selling airline stocks before 911 have never been identified and investigated.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
It just goes on and on, and you are "suspicious" about the Pentagon! And I suppose all this other stuff makes perfect sense you?
It just goes on and on doesn't it. This is flimsiest case for a conspiracy I've ever come across.
Jantar
6th May 2011, 11:07
fwiw I lean towards a tomohawk sub-sonic cruise missile or drone aircraft (although in 2001 drones were not as advanced as they are now) hitting the pentagon - no warhead, just impact. I have my reasons why I think that, but I can't be fucked arguing it.
http://tinyurl.com/3bzcryz
I'm still waiting for Maki's aviation qualifications, but like any dyed-in-the-wool conspiricay theorist, asking multiple questions without really answering anything is ops normal.
The big question with the missile theory is "What happened to the passengers on the 757?
Madmax
6th May 2011, 11:08
http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-government-had-osama-bin-laden-frozen-for-years/
:blink:
Far out! 18 pages! So to sum up;
1, Some planes may have actually or just appeared to hit some buildings in an impossibly difficult way!
2, Said planes possibly are still flying up until recently, passengers not necessarily accounted for.
3, Buildings hit and demolished don't tally up with number of planes that may or may not have been involved.
4, Buildings collapse in numerous, previously unknown manners and ways not necessarily related to the alleged plane/building collisions! High end explosives may have been placed to facilitate this by any number of groups or factions. Disgruntled postal worker?
5, Parties involved are mortal enemies collaborating together to achieve an unbelievably complex and far reaching outcome.
And
6, Some motorbike riders in New Zealand have cracked it and are onto them.
Have I got it right?
just like bikers really
Could be true - TopGun was just as shit as Torque.
just way cooler :)
Its the sunglasses and metrosexual outfits isn't it.
Pilots are so dreamy.
The big question with the missile theory is "What happened to the passengers on the 757?
yeah i know. i've thought about that. haven't lost sleep over it, but thought about it on occasion. i just can't figure out why the FBI won't release the petrol station video though.
ducatilover
6th May 2011, 14:21
Far out! 18 pages! So to sum up;
1, Some planes may have actually or just appeared to hit some buildings in an impossibly difficult way!
2, Said planes possibly are still flying up until recently, passengers not necessarily accounted for.
3, Buildings hit and demolished don't tally up with number of planes that may or may not have been involved.
4, Buildings collapse in numerous, previously unknown manners and ways not necessarily related to the alleged plane/building collisions! High end explosives may have been placed to facilitate this by any number of groups or factions. Disgruntled postal worker?
5, Parties involved are mortal enemies collaborating together to achieve an unbelievably complex and far reaching outcome.
And
6, Some motorbike riders in New Zealand have cracked it and are onto them.
Have I got it right?
You fool.
How can you be sure they are motorbike riders?
You blind, blind person.
ellipsis
7th May 2011, 14:50
...you are not looking at the real picture...this is the real shit..:yes:
http://www.aidd.org/fnords.htm
ellipsis
7th May 2011, 17:05
...but seriously folks...who's fucking who, and who aint paying...none dare call this, 'conspiracy'...:shutup:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
scumdog
7th May 2011, 20:51
...but seriously folks...who's fucking who, and who aint paying...none dare call this, 'conspiracy'...:shutup:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
ALMOST laughable...
MIXONE
7th May 2011, 21:12
ALMOST laughable...
Almost put me to sleep.:zzzz:
Kickaha
7th May 2011, 21:15
ALMOST laughable...
I thought it was quite a good laugh
ellipsis
7th May 2011, 22:45
ALMOST laughable...
...I said as much to Spongebob and Patrick..they sent the link...they reckon all will be revealed when they can get the video's to me...'no fucking laughing matter' , was their opinion...and you know what, I dont know whether they are just pulling my leg or if they are serial...I feel very on edge about it all...what if they just jacked up the bin Laden thing, and he was on his way to terminate me...Im not paranoid , but.... I might fuck off to Rangiora for a while...
mashman
8th May 2011, 01:20
...but seriously folks...who's fucking who, and who aint paying...none dare call this, 'conspiracy'...:shutup:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
to what end? If that's true, that is a scarey read.
jonbuoy
8th May 2011, 06:58
Strangely it seems to help some people sleep at night if they think everything that happens is part of a master plan and conspiracy and not a series of random events, with a few bizarre coincidences thrown in.
jonbuoy
8th May 2011, 07:07
This ones great, not only did the designers of the $20 bill forsee the twin towers being built and their ultimate destruction someone chose the name "United States Of America" because it had the letters O,S,A,M in it :killingme Really some people need to lay of the wacky bakie.
http://www.foldmoney.com/
Strangely it seems to help some people sleep at night if they think everything that happens is part of a master plan and conspiracy and not a series of random events, with a few bizarre coincidences thrown in.
What is a conspiracy? I always took it as: "A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."
So you think there was no plan and one person did it? It was obviously unlawful and harmful so I am not going to ask you about that part.
Do you sleep better at night by telling yourself lies?
Thanks to Jantar who has posted attempts at explanations for some of the anomalies.
I wrote:
"George Bush claimed to have seen the first plane hit the World Trade Tower on a television in Booker Elementary School before going into a classroom to hear some children read. This is a strange story because there were no live broadcasts of this impact."
Jantar wrote: "If you read the interview, and follow the timeline, where he was asked about this it is quite clear that he did see a plane hit the WTC before entering the classroom. Only it was the second plane he saw, but at the time thought it was the first."
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I find this episode quite interesting so I would like to explore it further.
9:03:02: Flight 175 crashes at about 590 mph (950 km/h) into the south face of the South Tower (2 WTC) of the World Trade Center, banked between floors 77 and 85.[8] By this time, several media organizations, including the three major broadcast networks (who have interrupted their morning shows), are covering the first plane crash—millions see the impact live.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks
9:03: President Bush enters a classroom as part of his school visit.
9:05: After brief introductions to the Booker elementary students, President Bush is about to begin reading The Pet Goat with the students when Chief of Staff Andrew Card interrupts to whisper to the president, "A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack."[10] The president stated later that he decided to continue the lesson rather than alarm the students.
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Now, if he saw the second plane hit the second tower, then why did he then immediately enter a classroom and start reading "The Pet Goat"? Does that make any sense?
If he saw it, then why did Andrew Carl need to tell it to him? The fact that he is not very smart is well known, but is he actually retarded?
jonbuoy
8th May 2011, 07:52
What is a conspiracy? I always took it as "A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."
So you think there was no plan and one person did it? It was obviously unlawful and harmful so I am not going to ask you about that part.
Do you sleep better at night by telling yourself lies?
I don´t tell myself lies Maki, I believe that terrorist extremists "conspired" to hijack some aircraft and use them on kamakazi missions. I don´t believe the alternative "conspiracy" theory that the American government attacked themselves as an excuse to start a war. I don´t believe that the Planes were holograms, or that extra explosives were used to bring down the towers. If explosives were used why not blame the terrorists for that as well? Makes no sense to only blame part of the attack on the terrorists. If it was a missile attack on the Pentagon why say it was an airliner - an attack is an attack wouldn´t have made any difference if it was a plane or a missile to the public.
I don´t tell myself lies Maki, I believe that terrorist extremists "conspired" to hijack some aircraft and use them on kamakazi missions. I don´t believe the alternative "conspiracy" theory that the American government attacked themselves as an excuse to start a war. I don´t believe that the Planes were holograms, or that extra explosives were used to bring down the towers. If explosives were used why not blame the terrorists for that as well? Makes no sense to only blame part of the attack on the terrorists. If it was a missile attack on the Pentagon why say it was an airliner - an attack is an attack wouldn´t have made any difference if it was a plane or a missile to the public.
Thanks. To tell the truth I don't believe in either one of the conspiracy theories that you have suggested. To me the idea that the motive was an excuse to go to war in order to gain control of oil reserves in the middle east seems more plausible than the "he hated their freedom" idea but that still does not necessarily point in the direction of the American government.
To me this is all still veiled by fog and the convenient explanations that most seem to believe in hold no water.
This seems to have been the most complex crime ever perpetrated. Does it make sense that it was solved before the dust of the second tower settled?
From the timeline:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks
9:55: A CNN correspondent mentions Osama bin Laden as someone determined to strike the US.
10:05: Andrea Mitchell, reporting on NBC from outside the Pentagon, reports that Osama bin Laden may have been involved in the attacks.
12:41: Senator Orrin Hatch tells CNN, "Both the FBI and our intelligence community believe that this is Bin Laden's signature."
That was pretty quick, wasn't it? Particularly when you consider the fact that even now no convincing proof has been produced to show that Bin Laden was in fact responsible.
You may suggest the famous "Bin Laden video". Have a look at this:
http://ahmedismailibrahim.wordpress.com/2007/06/17/proof-that-bin-laden-had-no-links-with-911-and-the-bin-laden-tape-is-a-hoax-video/
"Why has the Bush Administration been lying for more than five years by telling us that this preposterously bad hoax is a genuine “confession video”? Lawrence, citing informants in the US intelligence apparatus’s Bin Laden units, said that everyone knows the tape is fake, adding that the hoax has been kept alive because it is politically useful to those who wish to deflect attention from “conspiracy theories” about 9/11."
Now of course Bin Laden has conveniently been shot...
jonbuoy
8th May 2011, 09:35
Thanks. To tell the truth I don't believe in either one of the conspiracy theories that you have suggested. To me the idea that the motive was an excuse to go to war in order to gain control of oil reserves in the middle east seems more plausible than the "he hated their freedom" idea but that still does not necessarily point in the direction of the American government.
To me this is all still veiled by fog and the convenient explanations that most seem to believe in hold no water.
This seems to have been the most complex crime ever perpetrated. Does it make sense that it was solved before the dust of the second tower settled?
From the timeline:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks
9:55: A CNN correspondent mentions Osama bin Laden as someone determined to strike the US.
10:05: Andrea Mitchell, reporting on NBC from outside the Pentagon, reports that Osama bin Laden may have been involved in the attacks.
12:41: Senator Orrin Hatch tells CNN, "Both the FBI and our intelligence community believe that this is Bin Laden's signature."
That was pretty quick, wasn't it? Particularly when you consider the fact that even now no convincing proof has been produced to show that Bin Laden was in fact responsible.
You may suggest the famous "Bin Laden video". Have a look at this:
http://ahmedismailibrahim.wordpress.com/2007/06/17/proof-that-bin-laden-had-no-links-with-911-and-the-bin-laden-tape-is-a-hoax-video/
"Why has the Bush Administration been lying for more than five years by telling us that this preposterously bad hoax is a genuine “confession video”? Lawrence, citing informants in the US intelligence apparatus’s Bin Laden units, said that everyone knows the tape is fake, adding that the hoax has been kept alive because it is politically useful to those who wish to deflect attention from “conspiracy theories” about 9/11."
Now of course Bin Laden has conveniently been shot...
I have to ask - have you looked into Bin Laden´s history? You do know this wasn´t his first attack on the US? It wasn´t about attacking Americas free way of life, he was pissed off with their continued support of Israel with weapons and intelligence for a war that has been raging for decades albiet only on TV for most of us.
scumdog
8th May 2011, 10:15
to what end? If that's true, that is a scarey read.
And it is going to affect us how??
And if it IS going to affect us what the hell can we do about it?
(Me? - I'll start swatting my Biggles books...)
to what end? If that's true, that is a scarey read.
In the past the peasants were afraid of ogres and witches.
Now it's world domination conspiracy...
You shouldn't read scary shit on KB in the middle of the night, otherwise the boogieman might come calling:facepalm:
onearmedbandit
8th May 2011, 11:01
If you knew who assassinated JFK, would that make a difference in your life?
If you knew the moon landings were faked, would that make a difference in your life?
And so, if you knew 9/11 was an 'inside-job', would that make a difference in your life?
Wouldn't make one iota of difference in my life. I'd still get up in the morning, eat my breakfast, go about my day, eat my dinner, and put my head to rest at night.
The (alternative) conspiracy supporters accuse me of being 'dumb', 'blind', 'ignorant', or shock horror, a 'sheep'. Well I've read both sides of the argument, and I'm happy to accept the party line. It works for me, and it allows me to get on with my own life, rather than trying to prove everyone else wrong by pulling bits and pieces out of quotes, timelines and videos.
Plain and simple, it doesn't affect me, unless I let it. And even if it is all true, even if the American Govt. killed their own to justify a war, it still doesn't affect me, and eventually I'll be dead, still not being affected by it all. The CT's will go to their graves still pointing fingers at every grassy knoll and every tall building.
Ocean1
8th May 2011, 11:03
In the past the peasants were afraid of ogres and witches.
Some of us keep the faith...
If you knew who assassinated JFK, would that make a difference in your life?
If you knew the moon landings were faked, would that make a difference in your life?
And so, if you knew 9/11 was an 'inside-job', would that make a difference in your life?
Wouldn't make one iota of difference in my life. I'd still get up in the morning, eat my breakfast, go about my day, eat my dinner, and put my head to rest at night.
The (alternative) conspiracy supporters accuse me of being 'dumb', 'blind', 'ignorant', or shock horror, a 'sheep'. Well I've read both sides of the argument, and I'm happy to accept the party line. It works for me, and it allows me to get on with my own life, rather than trying to prove everyone else wrong by pulling bits and pieces out of quotes, timelines and videos.
Plain and simple, it doesn't affect me, unless I let it. And even if it is all true, even if the American Govt. killed their own to justify a war, it still doesn't affect me, and eventually I'll be dead, still not being affected by it all. The CT's will go to their graves still pointing fingers at every grassy knoll and every tall building.
Those are good questions. This thread says a lot more about how the human mind works than it does about what really happened on 911. How do we decide what to believe? Why do we believe it? Those questions are worth pondering.
As long as we don't let it affect us and we don't go around killing people because we assume they did something or hide because we are scared of made up bogey men, then it's all good I suppose.
I really struggle to believe that the American government is responsible for 911. If you stop for a second and consider what the American government really is: "The Federal Government of the United States is the national government of the constitutional republic of fifty states that is the United States of America. The federal government comprises three distinct branches of government, a legislature, an executive and a judiciary. These branches and their various powers are delineated in the U.S. Constitution; the powers are specified in greater detail in laws enacted by Congress."
I don't really think so...
And Bin Laden? Don't make me laugh...
Some of us keep the faith...
Just watch out fer those Aliems...
ellipsis
8th May 2011, 11:27
....all of the written history of civilisation as we know it is a collective bunch of stories that have multiple endings and written, usually after the facts, by someone who has put their slant on it, usually due to their prior understanding of history, or to reinforce some kind of ideological stance of the society they live in...we choose which one we believe or are forced to be dogmatic about the one that suits the times, generally because its the one thats been ingrained....if you dwell in the past, the ghosts of that past will always be holding up your future and you will miss out on the real bit...the NOW...written history of the human struggle to dominate each other is as they say, compiled by the victor and is just about power and the retention of it....the story just keeps going round and round...most of history is a repeat ...just played out with newer and bigger toys, every few generations...believe what you like...Im off for a ride...going to meet up with Spongey and Patrick...
mashman
8th May 2011, 11:27
And it is going to affect us how??
And if it IS going to affect us what the hell can we do about it?
(Me? - I'll start swatting my Biggles books...)
As OAB says, it affects you as much as you allow it to... but in answer to your question on how it affects us a couple of quotes from the long looooong document... even longer when yer a sloooooowwwww reader:
1790: Mayer Amschel Rothschild states,
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
1811: The charter for the Rothschilds Bank of the United States runs out and Congress votes against its renewal. Nathan Mayer Rothschild is not amused and he states,
"Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war."
1849: Gutle Schnaper, Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s wife dies. Before her death she would nonchalantly state,
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none."
If after over 150 years of the utterances above (and if the statements are true), and there is a family that is "running the world", then we're already affected. After all, we ALL need money to live.
As for what we do about it :rofl:, based on the above statements... I can think of only one thing, but it'll never happen.
In the past the peasants were afraid of ogres and witches.
Now it's world domination conspiracy...
You shouldn't read scary shit on KB in the middle of the night, otherwise the boogieman might come calling
Peasants were just people with less money than those who decided to group those with less money as peasants.
As mentioned above, if any of those statements is true and this one also: "There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya. " Any of those been in the news recently :blink:... I'd say, based on what I believe, that global domination is very much the name of the game and is not a conspiracy at all. To that end, anything goes...
Being thick skulled has it's advantages... and in this case, I don't have bad dreams :)...
scumdog
8th May 2011, 11:30
Nobody know of any quotes showing non-Jews are not good people and are manipulating the world??
Or is it JUST Jews that do that sort of thing??:blink:
mashman
8th May 2011, 11:33
Nobody know of any quotes showing non-Jews are not good people and are manipulating the world??
Or is it JUST Jews that do that sort of thing??:blink:
:rofl: Doesn't matter if they're black, white, yellow, christian, catholic, islamic etc... someone's up to something.
As OAB says, it affects you as much as you allow it to... but in answer to your question on how it affects us a couple of quotes from the long looooong document... even longer when yer a sloooooowwwww reader:
1790: Mayer Amschel Rothschild states,
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
1811: The charter for the Rothschilds Bank of the United States runs out and Congress votes against its renewal. Nathan Mayer Rothschild is not amused and he states,
"Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war."
1849: Gutle Schnaper, Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s wife dies. Before her death she would nonchalantly state,
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none."
If after over 150 years of the utterances above (and if the statements are true), and there is a family that is "running the world", then we're already affected. After all, we ALL need money to live.
As for what we do about it :rofl:, based on the above statements... I can think of only one thing, but it'll never happen.
Peasants were just people with less money than those who decided to group those with less money as peasants.
As mentioned above, if any of those statements is true and this one also: "There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya. " Any of those been in the news recently :blink:... I'd say, based on what I believe, that global domination is very much the name of the game and is not a conspiracy at all. To that end, anything goes...
Being thick skulled has it's advantages... and in this case, I don't have bad dreams :)...
Do you seriously believe that crap?
An example at random:
Backed by Rothschild money, and Nathan Mayer Rothschild's orders, the British declare war on the United States.
(This refers to the War of 1812)
Apart from the fact that we're supposed to accept that bald statement with no proof at all:
Firstly, it was the Americans that declared war on the British. Also the British were already at war with France, so weren't keen for a second front.
But mainly, that war had been coming for decades. Not only was there friction on the Canadian borders and in the West Indies, the Royal Navy Blockade of France was causing friction with US traders and the RN was also in the habit of impressing US sailors.
So to say that the war was started at the orders of one man is beyond belief.
To read that drivel non-critically is bad enough, but to post it on the interweb is pretty much an admission that your tin foil cap has shorted out:facepalm:
mashman
8th May 2011, 11:57
Do you seriously believe that crap?
An example at random:
Backed by Rothschild money, and Nathan Mayer Rothschild's orders, the British declare war on the United States.
(This refers to the War of 1812)
Apart from the fact that we're supposed to accept that bald statement with no proof at all:
Firstly, it was the Americans that declared war on the British. Also the British were already at war with France, so weren't keen for a second front.
But mainly, that war had been coming for decades. Not only was there friction on the Canadian borders and in the West Indies, the Royal Navy Blockade of France was causing friction with US traders and the RN was also in the habit of impressing US sailors.
So to say that the war was started at the orders of one man is beyond belief.
To read that drivel non-critically is bad enough, but to post it on the interweb is pretty much an admission that your tin foil cap has shorted out
Where money is involved as a control mechanism, and it is :yes:, then anything goes and I wouldn't put it past anyone to do anything for the mighty $$$... in fact it happens every day in NZ... we call it crime.
:rofl: double standard much? How do you know it was the Americans that declared war on the British? etc... blah blah blah for the rest of YOUR assertions too.
So to say that the war was started at the orders of one man is beyond belief.
:rofl: :facepalm: :killingme, president of the united states, :killingme :crybaby: Hitler, Churchill etc...
To read that drivel non-critically is bad enough, but to post it on the interweb is pretty much an admission that your tin foil cap has shorted out
I have no real comment to that, other than Baaaaaa... yeah, let's go with Baaaaaa. As I mentioned, and have mentioned in several places in regards to the statement quoted
If after over 150 years of the utterances above (and if the statements are true), and there is a family that is "running the world", then we're already affected. After all, we ALL need money to live.
Yet another cyclops I see before me :facepalm: My explanation is by far more believeable than yours is :bleh:
Where money is involved as a control mechanism, and it is :yes:, then anything goes and I wouldn't put it past anyone to do anything for the mighty $$$... in fact it happens every day in NZ... we call it crime.
I didn't say anything about money. Money = power. That war was about power.
:rofl: double standard much? How do you know it was the Americans that declared war on the British? etc... blah blah blah for the rest of YOUR assertions too.
Becuase there is documentry proof of it. Have you any proof to back up you (and I use this word loosely) argument?
:rofl: :facepalm: :killingme, president of the united states, :killingme :crybaby: Hitler, Churchill etc...
I was speaking of one particular man. And if you were as well read as you were bellicose, you would understand that going to war on the will of one man is actually very rare in history. Generally wars are fought because lots of men lack the will to aviod them.
I have no real comment to that, other than Baaaaaa... yeah, let's go with Baaaaaa. As I mentioned, and have mentioned in several places in regards to the statement quoted
Yet another cyclops I see before me :facepalm: My explanation is by far more believeable than yours is :bleh:
This idiotic and childish drivel leads me to conclude (as I have on several occasions already), that you are an idiot.
mashman
8th May 2011, 12:19
I didn't say anything about money. Money = power. That war was about power.
No you didn't. I did.
Becuase there is documentry proof of it. Have you any proof to back up you (and I use this word loosely) argument?
And you know this for certain because someone wrote it down on a piece :facepalm:
I was speaking of one particular man. And if you were as well read as you were bellicose, you would understand that going to war on the will of one man is actually very rare in history. Generally wars are fought because lots of men lack the will to aviod them.
You are making me laugh, i'll give you that. :killingme @ well read et al... baaaaa
This idiotic and childish drivel leads me to conclude (as I have on several occasions already), that you are an idiot.
:killingme :crybaby: quick, call a whaaaaaaambulance. You carry on reading your books, I'll stay as a peasant if you and your ilk are the alternative
ducatilover
8th May 2011, 12:32
Can drop bears fly planes?
Dadpole
8th May 2011, 12:54
Can drop bears fly planes?
And if so, are they heading to Mashmans house to silence him?
onearmedbandit
8th May 2011, 13:05
Can drop bears fly planes?
Not sure, but that body position suggests they can ride sportsbikes...
<img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ARyaJhVwhJY/S9d2M8IlJzI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/tC9HuJv72ek/s1600/drop+bears.jpg"width=480 height=480/>
mashman
8th May 2011, 13:33
And if so, are they heading to Mashmans house to silence him?
:shutup: they're coming to take me away? or just devour me where I lay? Either way I hope they can't fly.
ducatilover
8th May 2011, 14:22
And if so, are they heading to Mashmans house to silence him?
:shit: A plane just went over head, and it's nothing to do with the Palmerston North airport being 6kn away.
Not sure, but that body position suggests they can ride sportsbikes...
That explains a lot....
:shutup: they're coming to take me away? or just devour me where I lay? Either way I hope they can't fly.
Bit of both, they'll take a doggy bag (made from any dogs in your area)
Isn't it strange how many people still believe the Osama Bin Laden conspiracy theory when:
"The 'FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'. Vice President Cheney says, 'We've never made the case, or argued the case, that somehow Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11'"
and
"When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on the FBI's web page, Rex Tomb, the FBI's Chief of Investigative Publicity, is reported to have said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.""
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2006/0608-BinLaden.html
Makes you wonder why so many people still believe that story...
No you didn't. I did.
And you know this for certain because someone wrote it down on a piece :facepalm:
You are making me laugh, i'll give you that. :killingme @ well read et al... baaaaa
:killingme :crybaby: quick, call a whaaaaaaambulance. You carry on reading your books, I'll stay as a peasant if you and your ilk are the alternative
Your blather v. knowledge ratio is very high.
Elysium
8th May 2011, 16:01
Can't be arsed reading this whole thread so I'll just say it was:
The Jews
Blacks
US Govenment
Queers
Katman
....who blew those buildings up. :yes:
mashman
8th May 2011, 16:04
Your blather v. knowledge ratio is very high.
Is that the best you have? Considering all of your posturing, I expected more from you Oscar. You never fail to disappoint. Where is all of this evidence? And who are the sources for that evidence? Can you guarantee that there was no coersion involved at the time of its compilation? Are you ever going to offer up the hard evidence that you obviously have? Playing the man and not the ball again eh... how very weak of you... although I can;t say I'm surprised and I really should have known better... after all, you have a superior knowledge and intellectual capacity in comparison to someone as lowly as myself. Where's the proof for your argument? Try playing the ball Oscar. I dare you. :)
mashman
8th May 2011, 16:06
Bit of both, they'll take a doggy bag (made from any dogs in your area)
At least it'll shut that noisy fucker up from a few doors down... the dog that is... I can die happy knowing my kids will sleep better :)
ellipsis
8th May 2011, 16:23
....amazing what a bit of someone elses concepts, committed to wood cuts or papyrus or linen or paper or digitalised can do to inflame others psyche or perceived sensibilities,to react in defence of their perception of life...its what makes history........."wouldn't wanna be 'history', for quids"...
Is that the best you have? Considering all of your posturing, I expected more from you Oscar. You never fail to disappoint. Where is all of this evidence? And who are the sources for that evidence? Can you guarantee that there was no coersion involved at the time of its compilation? Are you ever going to offer up the hard evidence that you obviously have? Playing the man and not the ball again eh... how very weak of you... although I can;t say I'm surprised and I really should have known better... after all, you have a superior knowledge and intellectual capacity in comparison to someone as lowly as myself. Where's the proof for your argument? Try playing the ball Oscar. I dare you. :)
Evidence?
Why should I restate history, when you bring nothing (as usual).
Even your blather is based on the preposterous theories of others.
jonbuoy
8th May 2011, 18:06
Isn't it strange how many people still believe the Osama Bin Laden conspiracy theory when:
"The 'FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'. Vice President Cheney says, 'We've never made the case, or argued the case, that somehow Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11'"
and
"When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on the FBI's web page, Rex Tomb, the FBI's Chief of Investigative Publicity, is reported to have said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.""
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2006/0608-BinLaden.html
Makes you wonder why so many people still believe that story...
Whats even stranger is that someone would spend so much time researching alternative theories about 9/11 without researching Al Qaeda history. Up until a few posts ago you thought he was pissed at America because of their "freedom".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_United_States_embassy_bombings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qloshSGAJ1s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiKyWJRRjnU&feature=related
Of course you wont believe it. If not US government, Al Qaeda then who do think did it?
mashman
8th May 2011, 18:10
Jesus you're a funny fucka. I'm gonna take you at face value on your comments... because it really brightens my day :yes:. Thanks man.
mashman
8th May 2011, 18:22
....amazing what a bit of someone elses concepts, committed to wood cuts or papyrus or linen or paper or digitalised can do to inflame others psyche or perceived sensibilities,to react in defence of their perception of life...its what makes history........."wouldn't wanna be 'history', for quids"...
:girlfight: nice ride :)
jonbuoy
8th May 2011, 18:47
From Aljazeera (probably one of the best news channels in the world)
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/01/2010124123232335456.html
Whats even stranger is that someone would spend so much time researching alternative theories about 9/11 without researching Al Qaeda history. Up until a few posts ago you thought he was pissed at America because of their "freedom".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_United_States_embassy_bombings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qloshSGAJ1s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiKyWJRRjnU&feature=related
Of course you wont believe it. If not US government, Al Qaeda then who do think did it?
"Up until a few posts ago you thought he was pissed at America because of their "freedom"."
Where did I say that I thought that? All I said is; that line of thinking is quite commonly presented in this context.
"Of course you wont believe it. If not US government, Al Qaeda then who do think did it?"
This is a long thread and I can understand why you would not bother reading it so I will indulge you by repeating myself. I don't know who did it and posting theories that I have no backing for would be foolish since I have no such theory. I don't know about Al Qaeda but as mentioned above the idea that Bin Laden did it seems absurd, particularly if you consider the comments of Dick Chaney and Rex Tomb above.
Al Qaeda has an evil history, no doubt about it but so do many others. The notion seems to be that they are bad so they must have done it. Don't you find that a tad infantile?
NighthawkNZ
8th May 2011, 21:39
Can't be arsed reading this whole thread so I'll just say it was:
The Jews
Blacks
US Govenment
Queers
Katman
....who blew those buildings up. :yes:
Unless them be aliems... ???
The Stranger
8th May 2011, 22:39
This is a long thread and I can understand why you would not bother reading it...
Al Qaeda has an evil history, no doubt about it but so do many others. The notion seems to be that they are bad so they must have done it. Don't you find that a tad infantile?
It's a long thread, so indulge me please if you will.
What's Al Qaeda's position on this? Have Al Qaeda either claimed responsibility or denied responsibility for the deed?
Ok scratch that - I see from Wikipedia that it would appear that Al Qaeda did in fact accepted responsibility for the attacks of 911.
The yanks are satisfied that it was Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda seem satisfied that it was them. Just remind me what are we arguing over here again?
It's a long thread, so indulge me please if you will.
What's Al Qaeda's position on this? Have Al Qaeda either claimed responsibility or denied responsibility for the deed?
Ok scratch that - I see from Wikipedia that it would appear that Al Qaeda did in fact accepted responsibility for the attacks of 911.
The yanks are satisfied that it was Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda seem satisfied that it was them. Just remind me what are we arguing over here again?
That's very convenient. What you believe is up to you. I don't have a problem with people who believe things that seem implausible to me. If a kid believes in Santa Clause or the tooth fairy I am the last person to get into an argument about it.
If a kid believes in Santa Clause or the tooth fairy I am the last person to get into an argument about it.
What are you trying to say?
Isn't it strange how many people still believe the Osama Bin Laden conspiracy theory when:
"The 'FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'. Vice President Cheney says, 'We've never made the case, or argued the case, that somehow Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11'"
and
"When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on the FBI's web page, Rex Tomb, the FBI's Chief of Investigative Publicity, is reported to have said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.""
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2006/0608-BinLaden.html
Makes you wonder why so many people still believe that story...
I've just watched the video of OBL in which he himself admits that 'we calculated in advance the number of casualties' in relation to 9/11. He's either taking credit for something he wasn't involved in, or he planted the seed in his operatives. Apart from the US govt there are no other suspects.
Have a search for the interview of OBL by Peter Bergen in 1997, when the plans of AQ to attack the USA were laid out.
Have you ever thought about the logistics for the US Govt to organise something like this? Bush had only been in power since January 2001, and you really think Clinton would have started it?
And 2 years before 9/11, OBL was already on the FBI's 10 most wanted list.
"I've just watched the video of OBL in which he himself admits that 'we calculated in advance the number of casualties' in relation to 9/11. He's either taking credit for something he wasn't involved in, or he planted the seed in his operatives. Apart from the US govt there are no other suspects."
That video has been shown to be a fraud, more information farther back in this thread.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________
Have a search for the interview of OBL by Peter Bergen in 1997, when the plans of AQ to attack the USA were laid out.
AQ planned to attack the USA. Well, I don't think that is news to anyone...
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________
"Have you ever thought about the logistics for the US Govt to organise something like this? Bush had only been in power since January 2001, and you really think Clinton would have started it?"
I already said I don't think the US Govt organized this.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________
"And 2 years before 9/11, OBL was already on the FBI's 10 most wanted list."
That was not for 911, obviously, since it was 2 years before 911 even happened... He never was wanted by the FBI for 911 since they did not see any reason to believe he was responsible, unlike some others...
The Stranger
9th May 2011, 09:26
That's very convenient. What you believe is up to you. I don't have a problem with people who believe things that seem implausible to me. If a kid believes in Santa Clause or the tooth fairy I am the last person to get into an argument about it.
The difference in this case is that the kid, santa and the tooth fairy are all in agreement. Only some clown in never never (believe) land is having trouble grasping reality.
You are quite right, you are the last person to get into an argument about it.
You simply take the winston peters approach - knock everything from the outside yet offer nothing concrete at all. I would suggest you stand up for your conviction and posit a viable alternative.
But then I already know you can't.
The Stranger
9th May 2011, 09:27
"I've just watched the video of OBL in which he himself admits that 'we calculated in advance the number of casualties' in relation to 9/11. He's either taking credit for something he wasn't involved in, or he planted the seed in his operatives. Apart from the US govt there are no other suspects."
That video has been shown to be a fraud, more information farther back in this thread.
So has Osama denied it anywhere?
onearmedbandit
9th May 2011, 09:44
Maki - Don't click on this link. (http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?catid=18) Your head will explode.
The difference in this case is that the kid, santa and the tooth fairy are all in agreement. Only some clown in never never (believe) land is having trouble grasping reality.
You are quite right, you are the last person to get into an argument about it.
You simply take the winston peters approach - knock everything from the outside yet offer nothing concrete at all. I would suggest you stand up for your conviction and posit a viable alternative.
But then I already know you can't.
You are the one with convictions. How can I stand up for convictions I do not have? You asked for a viable alternative. I might be able to provide one if there had in fact been a proper investigation of what really happened on 911. There has not been one, so where to you want this alternative from? Thin air? The north pole? Your imagination?
The Stranger
9th May 2011, 11:07
You are the one with convictions. How can I stand up for convictions I do not have? You asked for a viable alternative. I might be able to provide one if there had in fact been a proper investigation of what really happened on 911. There has not been one, so where to you want this alternative from? Thin air? The north pole? Your imagination?
Whoa, didn't see that one coming, fancy you offering nothing at all - again. Who could have predicted that?
Oh that's right, me in the post you quoted.
It's a long thread, so indulge me please if you will.
What's Al Qaeda's position on this? Have Al Qaeda either claimed responsibility or denied responsibility for the deed?
Ok scratch that - I see from Wikipedia that it would appear that Al Qaeda did in fact accepted responsibility for the attacks of 911.
The yanks are satisfied that it was Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda seem satisfied that it was them. Just remind me what are we arguing over here again?
You might enjoy the following article since it nicely explains why you think the way you do.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032293_gullible_minds.html
"(NaturalNews) In light of the string of the blatant falsehoods being announced by the U.S. government these days (FDA, DHS, White House, etc.) it's interesting that so many people still believe whatever they are told by "official" sources. It brings up the question of the functioning of their brains: How could a person swallow official information so gullibly and so completely without even asking commonsense questions about the reliability or factual basis of that information?"
"Interestingly, the Gullible Mind is also inwardly gullible because it does not recognize its own gullibility. Instead, it believes it is operating as a Rational Mind. This false Rational Mind believes it functions as a critical filter of incoming information, but even this is self deception. In truth, this false Rational Mind is on "auto filter" so that it filters out any information that conflicts with the information it is receiving from official sources."
"At this point, their rational mind is completely shut off on the topic. No accumulation of facts can, at that point, rattle their "reality." For example, a person who believes the government's story of 9/11 has already embraced the Easter Bunny version of terrorists flying airplanes into the World Trade Center towers. So how did this act cause the WTC 7 building to collapse in a demolition-style free-fall a few hours later, when WTC 7 was never struck by airplanes? How can a steel and concrete building suddenly and magically collapse in perfect structural synchronicity merely from being on fire?
The answers don't matter to The Gullible Mind, you see. There is no room for facts inside their heads, because all the space has been taken up with what is essentially a cult-like belief in institutions of authority."
"That's why the Gullible Mind is more than merely gullible: It is a cowardly mind. It is afraid to ask questions on its own, and it simultaneously attacks those who have the courage to stand up and actually ask those questions (like Jesse Ventura)."
I am not telling you who did it because I don't know. All I am really trying to get you to do is open up your own mind and stop believing everything you hear that comes from what you think is an "official source". And does the fact that I posted an article that mentions falsehoods announced by the US government mean that I think the US government is responsible for 911? NO.
scumdog
9th May 2011, 13:42
You might enjoy the following article since it nicely explains why you think the way you do.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032293_gullible_minds.html
"(NaturalNews) In light of the string of the blatant falsehoods being announced by the U.S. government these days (FDA, DHS, White House, etc.) it's interesting that so many people still believe whatever they are told by "official" sources. It brings up the question of the functioning of their brains: How could a person swallow official information so gullibly and so completely without even asking commonsense questions about the reliability or factual basis of that information?"
.
So where does one go to get the real 'facts' - you know, the ones sourced from organisations with NO axe to grind and can provide information devoid of expressions like "it is believed" "sources say" "it is not possible" and "common sense tells you"???
So where does one go to get the real 'facts' - you know, the ones sourced from organisations with NO axe to grind and can provide information devoid of expressions like "it is believed" "sources say" "it is not possible" and "common sense tells you"???
I wish I knew... Knowing the real facts might make things like the deaths of NZ soldiers in Afghanistan a lot easier to swallow, or ideally entirely avoidable.
onearmedbandit
9th May 2011, 14:04
You might enjoy the following article since it nicely explains why you think the way you do.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032293_gullible_minds.html
"At this point, their rational mind is completely shut off on the topic. No accumulation of facts can, at that point, rattle their "reality." For example, a person who believes the government's story of 9/11 has already embraced the Easter Bunny version of terrorists flying airplanes into the World Trade Center towers. So how did this act cause the WTC 7 building to collapse in a demolition-style free-fall a few hours later, when WTC 7 was never struck by airplanes? How can a steel and concrete building suddenly and magically collapse in perfect structural synchronicity merely from being on fire?
The answers don't matter to The Gullible Mind, you see. There is no room for facts inside their heads, because all the space has been taken up with what is essentially a cult-like belief in institutions of authority."
Maki. Please take the time to read the following link from non-government sources. Now tell me, why am I gullible for believing that but not gullible for believing what your sources say?
http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/02/wtc7-new-evidence-from-old-photos.html
I look forward to your response.
Maki. Please take the time to read the following link from non-government sources. Now tell me, why am I gullible for believing that but not gullible for believing what your sources say?
http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/02/wtc7-new-evidence-from-old-photos.html
I look forward to your response.
Who said you were?
Dadpole
9th May 2011, 15:09
:corn:
Some people might advise you to stop digging now, but I am enjoying this...
The Stranger
9th May 2011, 16:03
You might enjoy the following article since it nicely explains why you think the way you do.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032293_gullible_minds.html
"(NaturalNews) In light of the string of the blatant falsehoods being announced by the U.S. government these days (FDA, DHS, White House, etc.) it's interesting that so many people still believe whatever they are told by "official" sources. It brings up the question of the functioning of their brains: How could a person swallow official information so gullibly and so completely without even asking commonsense questions about the reliability or factual basis of that information?"
"Interestingly, the Gullible Mind is also inwardly gullible because it does not recognize its own gullibility. Instead, it believes it is operating as a Rational Mind. This false Rational Mind believes it functions as a critical filter of incoming information, but even this is self deception. In truth, this false Rational Mind is on "auto filter" so that it filters out any information that conflicts with the information it is receiving from official sources."
"At this point, their rational mind is completely shut off on the topic. No accumulation of facts can, at that point, rattle their "reality." For example, a person who believes the government's story of 9/11 has already embraced the Easter Bunny version of terrorists flying airplanes into the World Trade Center towers. So how did this act cause the WTC 7 building to collapse in a demolition-style free-fall a few hours later, when WTC 7 was never struck by airplanes? How can a steel and concrete building suddenly and magically collapse in perfect structural synchronicity merely from being on fire?
The answers don't matter to The Gullible Mind, you see. There is no room for facts inside their heads, because all the space has been taken up with what is essentially a cult-like belief in institutions of authority."
"That's why the Gullible Mind is more than merely gullible: It is a cowardly mind. It is afraid to ask questions on its own, and it simultaneously attacks those who have the courage to stand up and actually ask those questions (like Jesse Ventura)."
I am not telling you who did it because I don't know. All I am really trying to get you to do is open up your own mind and stop believing everything you hear that comes from what you think is an "official source". And does the fact that I posted an article that mentions falsehoods announced by the US government mean that I think the US government is responsible for 911? NO.
In your zeal to not be gullible you seem to conveniently overlook a few points.
The Americans claim Osama was behind it, Osama has accepted he is behind it (on a couple of occasions) however even if these are disputed he has had ample opertunity to refute it - again, I ask you has he refuted it, if so where?
Then you have the likes of the Ayatollah Khomeini and many dozens of leading Muslims condemning Osama for it.
Of course I'm sure that all of these people are simply gullible like me or in collusion. That's why I am so glad the world has the likes of yourself to see through the bullshit and set the record straight for us all - Except for the minor detail - by your own admission you haven't a clue what happened so can't.
and I realise that you are making no statement as to who has done it. I've already explained that. You would far rather be on the outside, knocking, and hedging your bets. You're in politics aren't you?
Hmmmmmm another building (7) with damage on one side only that manages to collapse perfectly.
While I don't buy into the whole conspiracy thing - but the aliems thing is coming close.
I am still yet to see anything about how 2 planes hitting 2 buildings makes 3 buildings fall down all most perfectly with no lean or topple.
I believe that 2 planes hit these buildings - that I have no doubts. But a building that casts such a massive shadow as the WTC........and to not fall on it side when 2 planes hit it........
it has to involve aliens..........not even the easter bunny could stop that.
Banditbandit
9th May 2011, 16:38
I am still yet to see anything about how 2 planes hitting 2 buildings makes 3 buildings fall down all most perfectly with no lean or topple.
I believe that 2 planes hit these buildings - that I have no doubts. But a building that casts such a massive shadow as the WTC........and to not fall on it side when 2 planes hit it........
it has to involve aliens..........not even the easter bunny could stop that.
From the font of all knowledge - wikipedia ...
As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, causing damage to the south face of the building.[4] The bottom portion of the building's south face was damaged by debris, including damage to the southwest corner from the 8th to 18th floors, a large vertical gash on the center-bottom extending at least ten floors, and other damage as high as the 18th floor.[4] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[27][28]
After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[29] Fires burned into the afternoon on the 11th and 12th floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building.[30][31] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[4] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[32] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[33] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[34] Around 3:30 pm FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[35] At 5:20:33 pm EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center started to collapse, with the crumble of the east mechanical penthouse, while at 5:21:10 pm EDT the entire building collapsed completely.[1] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.
mashman
9th May 2011, 16:44
Hmmmmmm another building (7) with damage on one side only that manages to collapse perfectly.
While I don't buy into the whole conspiracy thing - but the aliems thing is coming close.
I am still yet to see anything about how 2 planes hitting 2 buildings makes 3 buildings fall down all most perfectly with no lean or topple.
I believe that 2 planes hit these buildings - that I have no doubts. But a building that casts such a massive shadow as the WTC........and to not fall on it side when 2 planes hit it........
it has to involve aliens..........not even the easter bunny could stop that.
Fucksake... Right, it wasn't the planes that were holograms, it was the Kamikaze Aliems. Each individual aliem had a cloaking device and stood in the corners of each of the floors that hasn't exploded yet. Once they received the command, they detonated their aliem explosions, giving the effect of a controlled explosion that would taunt the greatest minds of men for decades to come.
Building 7. It took them too long to decide what drinks to get from the shops, in fact it was the great american debate that fucked things up. Pepsi or Coca Cola. When they returned, they were distraught to find that only 1 of them had carried through with the plan, causing the BBC announcer to say that the building had collapsed when it hadn't. You could clearly see it over her shoulder in the LIVE TV feed... anyhoo, the aliems got their shit together and it finally came down in an orderly fashion. I won't change my mind on this!
The Stranger
9th May 2011, 16:49
Hmmmmmm another building (7) with damage on one side only that manages to collapse perfectly.
While I don't buy into the whole conspiracy thing - but the aliems thing is coming close.
I am still yet to see anything about how 2 planes hitting 2 buildings makes 3 buildings fall down all most perfectly with no lean or topple.
I believe that 2 planes hit these buildings - that I have no doubts. But a building that casts such a massive shadow as the WTC........and to not fall on it side when 2 planes hit it........
it has to involve aliens..........not even the easter bunny could stop that.
But surely the conspiritors whom pretty much thought of everyting and demolition experts who set these charges with such precision and may I add stealth would have (given the otherwise meticulous planning) considered this and made the building topple sideways. I mean, come on, it's not like it's a minor detail, it hasn't escaped Maki or you.
imdying
9th May 2011, 17:35
:laugh: :facepalm:
You try to justify your unsupportable position by linking to a conspiracy theory site that declares people who believe something opposed to their view as gullible. Really?
Seriously, what sort of retardation do you have that lets you blindly flap flap flap in the face of common sense? You talk about wanting to know the real facts, but continue to ignore that obvious well supported ones just because they come from the government? And you subscribe to that crap as your legitimate alternative?
Just how fucking stupid are you? After the first few posts, I just assumed your mother dropped you when you were a baby, sad but happens... but now I'm starting to think she didn't drop you at all, she grabbed you by the ankles and smacked you against the fridge every day till you were two. Mind you, if she had had an inkling of how much of a fuck up you'd turn out to be, I can't say I blame her.
mashman
9th May 2011, 17:56
Hmmmmmm another building (7) with damage on one side only that manages to collapse perfectly.
While I don't buy into the whole conspiracy thing - but the aliems thing is coming close.
I am still yet to see anything about how 2 planes hitting 2 buildings makes 3 buildings fall down all most perfectly with no lean or topple.
I believe that 2 planes hit these buildings - that I have no doubts. But a building that casts such a massive shadow as the WTC........and to not fall on it side when 2 planes hit it........
it has to involve aliens..........not even the easter bunny could stop that.
How could the BBC get this so so wrong? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s) (if of course that is the Salomon building). Just to the right of her head, even though it has just been reported live that the building had already collapsed (where do they get their news) 1:18 there's an arrow pointing at the building.
onearmedbandit
9th May 2011, 18:05
How could the BBC get this so so wrong? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s) (if of course that is the Salomon building). Just to the right of her head, even though it has just been reported live that the building had already collapsed (where do they get their news) 1:18 there's an arrow pointing at the building.
The media? Getting something wrong? Well fuck me that's never happened before, or since. I'm sold now.
please learn how to multi quote.
And this is how you back up and justify your position. From the Huffington:
In the aftermath of Sept. 11, bin Laden found himself on a second list and in more familiar company: He became one of 22 suspected terrorists on the FBI’s newly created Most Wanted list devoted exclusively to such operatives. The message was clear: Now that terrorism had come to U.S. shores, all Americans could help wage a “war on terror” by being the government's local eyes and ears -- echoing the call for public help that launched the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list in 1950.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-fbi-most-wanted-fugitive_n_856680.html
please learn how to multi quote.
And this is how you back up and justify your position. From the Huffington:
In the aftermath of Sept. 11, bin Laden found himself on a second list and in more familiar company: He became one of 22 suspected terrorists on the FBI’s newly created Most Wanted list devoted exclusively to such operatives. The message was clear: Now that terrorism had come to U.S. shores, all Americans could help wage a “war on terror” by being the government's local eyes and ears -- echoing the call for public help that launched the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list in 1950.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-fbi-most-wanted-fugitive_n_856680.html
They certainly imply it, though note that they never directly state it. They leave it to you to read whatever meaning that suits you into it but they sure lead you in a certain direction.
I prefer to take the word of Dick Chaney and Rex Tomb. I understand why you choose to believe what you do. That has already been discussed in the post dealing with gullibility. In light of the facts your position is absurd. No need to try to "back it up".
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2006/0608-BinLaden.html
"The 'FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'. Vice President Cheney says, 'We've never made the case, or argued the case, that somehow Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11'"
Bin Laden was wanted for crimes previous to 911.
:laugh: :facepalm:
You try to justify your unsupportable position by linking to a conspiracy theory site that declares people who believe something opposed to their view as gullible. Really?
Seriously, what sort of retardation do you have that lets you blindly flap flap flap in the face of common sense? You talk about wanting to know the real facts, but continue to ignore that obvious well supported ones just because they come from the government? And you subscribe to that crap as your legitimate alternative?
Just how fucking stupid are you? After the first few posts, I just assumed your mother dropped you when you were a baby, sad but happens... but now I'm starting to think she didn't drop you at all, she grabbed you by the ankles and smacked you against the fridge every day till you were two. Mind you, if she had had an inkling of how much of a fuck up you'd turn out to be, I can't say I blame her.
Hmmm, what side of the bed did you get out on this morning? I can't believe that my suggestions have caused so much turmoil in your head... I hope you feel better tomorrow.
In your zeal to not be gullible you seem to conveniently overlook a few points.
The Americans claim Osama was behind it, Osama has accepted he is behind it (on a couple of occasions) however even if these are disputed he has had ample opertunity to refute it - again, I ask you has he refuted it, if so where?
Really, that's very interesting. Then how do you explain this:
"Ten years of messages and interviews with al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden have been leaked. Translated by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the documents were posted on a blog Friday.
Posted to Secrecy News blog on September 12, and copied to similar sites including Wikileaks.org, the ten years of messages span from 1994-2004. The packet, issued in 2004, is nearly 300 pages, and labeled "official use only". It was translated by the Foreign Broadcast Information Service (FBIS), a division of the CIA, and includes interviews with bin Laden from various news agencies and also includes messages he sent directly to the United States.
One message includes bin Laden's denial of having anything to do with the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York City, Washington, D.C. and Pennsylvania.
"Following the latest explosions in the United States, some Americans are pointing the finger at me, but I deny that because I have not done it. The United States has always accused me of these incidents which have been caused by its enemies. Reiterating once again, I say that I have not done it, and the perpetrators have carried this out because of their own interest," said bin Laden on September 16, 2001, just five days after the attacks."
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikileaks_obtains_10_years_of_messages,_interviews _from_Osama_bin_Laden_translated_by_CIA
The idea that Osama Bin Laden accepted that he is behind it is another fable for the consumption of the gullible.
The Stranger
9th May 2011, 20:16
Really, that's very interesting. Then how do you explain this:
"Ten years of messages and interviews with al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden have been leaked. Translated by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the documents were posted on a blog Friday.
Posted to Secrecy News blog on September 12, and copied to similar sites including Wikileaks.org, the ten years of messages span from 1994-2004. The packet, issued in 2004, is nearly 300 pages, and labeled "official use only". It was translated by the Foreign Broadcast Information Service (FBIS), a division of the CIA, and includes interviews with bin Laden from various news agencies and also includes messages he sent directly to the United States.
One message includes bin Laden's denial of having anything to do with the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York City, Washington, D.C. and Pennsylvania.
"Following the latest explosions in the United States, some Americans are pointing the finger at me, but I deny that because I have not done it. The United States has always accused me of these incidents which have been caused by its enemies. Reiterating once again, I say that I have not done it, and the perpetrators have carried this out because of their own interest," said bin Laden on September 16, 2001, just five days after the attacks."
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikileaks_obtains_10_years_of_messages,_interviews _from_Osama_bin_Laden_translated_by_CIA
The idea that Osama Bin Laden accepted that he is behind it is another fable for the consumption of the gullible.
So do you have any other sources or do we just accept without question that it took 7yrs for a denial to come to light?
Osama could release videos when he cared to but hadn't the wherewithall to make his own public denial?
BoristheBiter
9th May 2011, 20:48
Hmmm, what side of the bed did you get out on this morning? I can't believe that my suggestions have caused so much turmoil in your head... I hope you feel better tomorrow.
You know that to be a troll you just have to say,
FAKE AND GAY.
The idea that Osama Bin Laden accepted that he is behind it is another fable for the consumption of the gullible.
of course he didn't do it. he was hiding in a cave, then in a house in abbotobad.
haven't you ever heard of being economical with the truth?
mashman
9th May 2011, 21:19
The media? Getting something wrong? Well fuck me that's never happened before, or since. I'm sold now.
:shifty:, finally someone starts talking sense.
This thread just keeps getting better!
imdying
10th May 2011, 10:08
Hmmm, what side of the bed did you get out on this morning? I can't believe that my suggestions have caused so much turmoil in your head... I hope you feel better tomorrow.Turmoil implies I'm torn between thinking your a dickhead and a wanker. Clearly that is not that case.
It's hillarious that you accuse people in this thread of being gullible when it's obvious to all that it's the pot calling the kettle black.
Ahahahahah, Secrecy News blog.... seriously!?? Awwww come on, you're making this too easy :blink:
Out of interest, what was on the cover of the last Extra Terrestial Monthly?? :rofl:
Please tell me you're just having a troll; nobody is that gullible.
Banditbandit
10th May 2011, 15:08
Turmoil implies I'm torn between thinking your a dickhead and a wanker. Clearly that is not that case.
It's hillarious that you accuse people in this thread of being gullible when it's obvious to all that it's the pot calling the kettle black.
Ahahahahah, Secrecy News blog.... seriously!?? Awwww come on, you're making this too easy :blink:
Out of interest, what was on the cover of the last Extra Terrestial Monthly?? :rofl:
Please tell me you're just having a troll; nobody is that gullible.
Unfortunately - yes they are that gullible ... remember these are people who insist that the US did not land men on the moon and who believe Professional Wrestling is fighting for real ..
Edbear
10th May 2011, 15:42
Unfortunately - yes they are that gullible ... remember these are people who insist that the US did not land men on the moon and who believe Professional Wrestling is fighting for real ..
It's not????? After all these years and all that blood, you're really saying they are acting it???? :gob:
Banditbandit
10th May 2011, 16:04
It's not????? After all these years and all that blood, you're really saying they are acting it???? :gob:
Now now - let's not start that argument.
theblacksmith
26th May 2011, 19:41
I think that most of you watch too much tv-take a look at a website called Architects and Engineers for Truth. Look at all the you tube vids and make your own conclusion.
Leave the structural stuff to the engineers lol.
Take a look-
http://www2.ae911truth.org/11rfa911.php
jaffaonajappa
26th May 2011, 19:50
I think that most of you watch too much tv-take a look at a website called Architects and Engineers for Truth. Look at all the you tube vids and make your own conclusion.
Leave the structural stuff to the engineers lol.
Take a look-
http://www2.ae911truth.org/11rfa911.php
Errr.
Gosh.
someone wrote their shit on a website and encouraged others to treat it as THE TRUTH.
wow, suckered much?
theblacksmith
26th May 2011, 20:02
Errr.
Gosh.
someone wrote their shit on a website and encouraged others to treat it as THE TRUTH.
wow, suckered much?
Wow you read all that quickly-did you read all the links too?
Just the same a s a government puts lies on a news programme and YOU think its the truth-
Whos been suckered here mate???
keep watching the shit they spoonfeed you every day. Its put there to confuse you.
jaffaonajappa
26th May 2011, 20:10
Wow you read all that quickly-did you read all the links too?
Just the same a s a government puts lies on a news programme and YOU think its the truth-
Whos been suckered here mate???
keep watching the shit they spoonfeed you every day. Its put there to confuse you.
Nope, took a one minute look at it, got the gist of it, and remembered all the hype dumbfucks made about this crap about NINE YEARS AGO.
Think it was about the same time revisionists started their 'the holocaust didnt occur' crap.
No matter what 'expert spin' is put on events - some people remember the facts.
Heres a website in case you cant remember them.
http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive
mashman
26th May 2011, 20:11
keep watching the shit they spoonfeed you every day. Its put there to confuse you.
No it's not. It's put there to cover a trail and leave reasonable doubt. The law can't prosecute under those conditions.
My foot is in the "conspiracy" camp as there are way too many inconsistencies, least of which the lady BBC newsreader saying that WTC 7 had collapsed whilst you could still see it sitting behind her left shoulder :facepalm:. Media getting it wrong :facepalm:... sure, that's what it was :blink:. Media being fed bad information? hmmmmm, from where? sounds a little iffy to me.
Now put the spoon down and back away from the shit...
jaffaonajappa
26th May 2011, 20:14
the lady BBC newsreader saying that WTC 7 had collapsed whilst you could still see it sitting behind her left shoulder :facepalm:. Media getting it wrong :facepalm:... sure, that's what it was :blink:. Media being fed bad information? hmmmmm, from where? sounds a little iffy to me.
Perhaps talk to the people in the know. Working the industries. (Assuming you can trust "anyone'?)
The amount of information going around that day was mind boggling. Lots and lots of errors were made. By more than just the media.
Chaos.
theblacksmith
26th May 2011, 20:16
You believe what you want to man.
I aint no fkn sucker ok. You obviously dont know me.
We can all believe what we want.
mashman
26th May 2011, 20:21
Perhaps talk to the people in the know. Working the industries. (Assuming you can trust "anyone'?)
The amount of information going around that day was mind boggling. Lots and lots of errors were made. By more than just the media.
Chaos.
Coincidence then.
Virago
26th May 2011, 20:23
...We can all believe what we want.
Cool. How many days until Santa comes...?
mashman
26th May 2011, 20:26
You believe what you want to man.
I aint no fkn sucker ok. You obviously dont know me.
We can all believe what we want.
I wasn't saying you were a sucker. True. I don't know you.
I agree. There's 2 sides to every coin.
jaffaonajappa
26th May 2011, 20:27
You believe what you want to man.
I aint no fkn sucker ok. You obviously dont know me.
We can all believe what we want.
Yeah, fair call.
Where were you on 9/11? Do you remember it vividly?
Oakie
26th May 2011, 20:30
Yeah, fair call.
Where were you on 9/11? Do you remember it vividly?
I was watching it with a bunch of American guests at the hotel I used to work at (Hermitage, Mt Cook). I've never before nor since seen Americans so quiet.
jaffaonajappa
26th May 2011, 20:37
I was watching it with a bunch of American guests at the hotel I used to work at (Hermitage, Mt Cook). I've never before nor since seen Americans so quiet.
Yeah, it hurt them, a lot. Seeing it unfold on TV, on one of their national icons like that. Knowing their countrmen had been involved in some 'disaster'.....it took a while before anyone considered it a co-ordinated attack remember?
I was 3/4 drunk as a skunk in Darwin on 9/11. A USN Amphib grp was in port, shore leave granted, and kiwis and aussies were trying to compete with the yanks over the swedish backpackers invading the vic. Yanks dont grant leave during periods of heightened danger / tensions by the way.
Next thing ya know, their Shore Patrol teams, accompanied by regular marines, all combat armed!! were clearing out the bars in town. They marched straight up to the staff and told em to turn off the sounds, and loud hailer told all yank to report back onboard immediately - sailing orders. It was madness. Their mini fleet sailed the next day. Theres no way in hell them US servicemen had any fore warning about that event.
No it's not. It's put there to cover a trail and leave reasonable doubt. The law can't prosecute under those conditions.
My foot is in the "conspiracy" camp as there are way too many inconsistencies, least of which the lady BBC newsreader saying that WTC 7 had collapsed whilst you could still see it sitting behind her left shoulder :facepalm:. Media getting it wrong :facepalm:... sure, that's what it was :blink:. Media being fed bad information? hmmmmm, from where? sounds a little iffy to me.
Now put the spoon down and back away from the shit...
"Media being fed bad information?" You are on to something there.
There is something about this episode that I wonder about. Why do so many people STILL think Bin Laden did it? The FBI doesn't think he did it. The CIA doesn't think he did it. Dick Chaney doesn't think he did it. His name is often mentioned in the media at around the same time as 911 is mentioned. Is that how these geniuses put 2 and 2 together and deduce that ergo, he must have done it?
I suppose it is remotely possible that someone associated with Al Quaida was responsible but no concrete evidence points to Bin Laden. (Yes, there was that laughable fake video but I don't think anyone in their right mind would call that concrete evidence).
Did Al Quaida do it? Well, if you know what Al Quaida is, then stating that Al Quaida did it makes about as much sense as saying that facebook did it.
"- Bin Ladin's direct financial assets and strategic capabilities have been hugely exaggerated. The entity known as Al-Qaeda is simply the guest book for Muslims who entered Peshawar to join the jihad against Russia in Afghanistan. There is no such thing as a global terrorist organization known as Al-Qaeda! Bin-Laden is probably not directly, or even secondarily, responsible, but of course the media is able to trot out "links" that "prove" Bin-Ladin was involved. These "links" may be real, but Afghanistan was a haven for many dedicated Muslims who wanted to participate in a jihad, and many of these rich and powerful fanatics crossed paths in that country over the past twenty years. These links are far from "proof" or even "evidence" that Bin-Ladin was responsible for orchestrating and funding the September 11 attacks."
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_trap.htm
""The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US . . ." -- Pierre-Henri Bunel"
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fakealqaeda.php
Did Islamics who hate America do it? Possibly, but to suggest that they would have had what it takes to pull of something like 911 seems rather far fetched.
I vote for an entity with the means to do it, the opportunity to do it and something to gain from doing it. That is the normal way to look at crime and it is strange to see people looking towards those who do not have the means, the opportunity and certainly nothing to gain and everthing to lose (as history has proven) as the perpetrators. Some people just watch too much Fox (faux) TV...
theblacksmith
26th May 2011, 20:53
I was shaving smoko in a granite quarry in North Wales when it happened. remember the media frenzy very clearly. The whole world was shocked by it. Still are. The leaseholder of the Towers at the time walked away with a 7 billion insurance payout. He also instructed the (pulling) of tower 7. (pulling is a demolition industry term for bringing a building down by explosives) We also saw American forces quickly move into Iraq to look for weapons of mass destruction-but found none. Yet the media had us believing that Saddam Hussein had enough weaponry to take us all out. he had none. Not even depleted uranium as were found in all those people who were killed in Northern Iraq. The Americans are the only ones with that sort of weaponry. ( By the way -the people around that area are having multiple cancers now and children are being born everyday with severe abnormalities).
Propaganda is the most powerful tool for these world leaders who need the publics blessing to move into foreign countries and take their oil. Libya now-whos next??
I was shaving smoko in a granite quarry in North Wales when it happened. remember the media frenzy very clearly. The whole world was shocked by it. Still are. The leaseholder of the Towers at the time walked away with a 7 billion insurance payout. He also instructed the (pulling) of tower 7. (pulling is a demolition industry term for bringing a building down by explosives) We also saw American forces quickly move into Iraq to look for weapons of mass destruction-but found none. Yet the media had us believing that Saddam Hussein had enough weaponry to take us all out. he had none. Not even depleted uranium as were found in all those people who were killed in Northern Iraq. The Americans are the only ones with that sort of weaponry. ( By the way -the people around that area are having multiple cancers now and children are being born everyday with severe abnormalities).
Propaganda is the most powerful tool for these world leaders who need the publics blessing to move into foreign countries and take their oil. Libya now-whos next??
Yes, the money payed out for buildings that needed to be demolished anyway was pretty sweet. Poor Bin Laden, all he got was a bullet in the head while unarmed in front of his own daughter.
jaffaonajappa
26th May 2011, 21:05
I was shaving smoko in a granite quarry in North Wales when it happened. remember the media frenzy very clearly. The whole world was shocked by it. Still are. The leaseholder of the Towers at the time walked away with a 7 billion insurance payout. He also instructed the (pulling) of tower 7. (pulling is a demolition industry term for bringing a building down by explosives) We also saw American forces quickly move into Iraq to look for weapons of mass destruction-but found none. Yet the media had us believing that Saddam Hussein had enough weaponry to take us all out. he had none. Not even depleted uranium as were found in all those people who were killed in Northern Iraq. The Americans are the only ones with that sort of weaponry. ( By the way -the people around that area are having multiple cancers now and children are being born everyday with severe abnormalities).
Propaganda is the most powerful tool for these world leaders who need the publics blessing to move into foreign countries and take their oil. Libya now-whos next??
1. So Saddam didnt condone the Chemical warfare the iraqi's made on the Kurds? Wait, the USA did that? Riiight.
2. Personally, I honestly do think the yanks are farrrrr less willing to engage in open warfare, or 'peace keeping/monitoring/enforcing' or whatever label they wish to use, nowadays, than they were 5 or 10 years ago. Libya is the most recent indication of this. If you follow the details. not the hate-websites.
jaffaonajappa
26th May 2011, 21:08
Poor Bin Laden, all he got was a bullet in the head while unarmed in front of his own daughter.
If I could find that guy that shot him - Id empty my wallet and shout him the best night of his life. Mind you....I suspect around half a billion or so others might beat me to it.
Thank god that murder inciting Thug is dead.
If I could find that guy that shot him - Id empty my wallet and shout him the best night of his life. Mind you....I suspect around half a billion or so others might beat me to it.
Thank god that murder inciting Thug is dead.
Yes, all hail the "brave" tool who murdered an unarmed man... Way to go...
Salutes the flag...
theblacksmith
26th May 2011, 21:13
The army are good at brainwashing too.
Just look at how many innocent people they can programme to kill other innocent people.
All for the ungodly dollar.
jaffaonajappa
26th May 2011, 21:23
The army are good at brainwashing too.
Just look at how many innocent people they can programme to kill other innocent people.
All for the ungodly dollar.
Ohhhh God.
Im off to find a thread on The Muppets.
oneofsix
26th May 2011, 21:28
Ohhhh God.
Im off to find a thread on The Muppets.
what's that? the muppets did it? Must have been Animal with gonzo's help and I bet Miss Piggy put them up to it with Kermit doing the planning. :shit:
jaffaonajappa
26th May 2011, 21:36
My Bad. Its not the muppets at all. I must have made a bad call based on data overload....please....dont turn this into a drama.
It was Captain Kirk. I think this was cleared up wayyyyy back at page 15 on this clueless thread.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/137526-9-11-conspiracy-debate/page15
Theres even video footage of them admitting it....but Im not expecting you conspiracy nuts to take my word for it. You can play the video forwards and backwards, one frame at a time, for yourselves to decide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE&feature=related
oneofsix
26th May 2011, 21:39
My Bad. Its not the muppets at all. I must have made a bad call based on data overload....please....dont turn this into a drama.
It was Captain Kirk. I think this was cleared up wayyyyy back at page 15 on this clueless thread.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/137526-9-11-conspiracy-debate/page15
Theres even video footage of them admitting it....but Im not expecting you conspiracy nuts to take my word for it. You can play the video forwards and backwards, one frame at a time, for yourselves to decide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE&feature=related
Oh that's a relief cause I remember reading way back it was dem dam aliems but now you mention it I did see the picture of the Enterprise and plane on the flying fox
mashman
26th May 2011, 22:43
Propaganda is the most powerful tool for these world leaders who need the publics blessing to move into foreign countries and take their oil. Libya now-whos next??
Aye (no i'm not having a dig :facepalm:, just proposing a different commodity :yes:)... and to believe that it was oil that they were after? If you can get past the site content (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message295909/pg1) (some "wacky" stuff on there), then you have a 1 in 4 probability of guessing who's next :)
"There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya."
"You left out there used to be 7 of them, Afghanistan and Iraq."
I don't think oil was the primary goal at all.
Oscar
27th May 2011, 09:53
Aye (no i'm not having a dig :facepalm:, just proposing a different commodity :yes:)... and to believe that it was oil that they were after? If you can get past the site content (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message295909/pg1) (some "wacky" stuff on there), then you have a 1 in 4 probability of guessing who's next :)
"There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya."
"You left out there used to be 7 of them, Afghanistan and Iraq."
I don't think oil was the primary goal at all.
So the NZ Reserve Bank is controlled by the Rothschilds?
You have proof of this?
oneofsix
27th May 2011, 10:30
Aye (no i'm not having a dig :facepalm:, just proposing a different commodity :yes:)... and to believe that it was oil that they were after? If you can get past the site content (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message295909/pg1) (some "wacky" stuff on there), then you have a 1 in 4 probability of guessing who's next :)
"There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya."
"You left out there used to be 7 of them, Afghanistan and Iraq."
I don't think oil was the primary goal at all.
What?! :shit: its down to one family now? I thought it was meant to be 4. Rothschilds, Morgans, Rockafellas and can't remember the fourth or was that the Kennedys. Guess they are all intermarried anyhow.
So the NZ Reserve Bank is controlled by the Rothschilds?
You have proof of this?
Of course haven't you seen the movie they made about it. These guys have only been in the business of controlling Governments through finance for centuarys so haven't yet developed ways of doing it without leaving an obvious trial. Where would conspiracy theories be without proof.
Zistgist
imdying
27th May 2011, 11:09
I aint no fkn sucker ok.Ahh yeah you are. From your posts we can tell that you've applied no critical thinking to the matter, and can barely even parrot the tripe trotted out by some tin foil hat wearing websites :laugh:
You are what we call, "A stupid fucking retard".
ellipsis
27th May 2011, 11:28
Ahh yeah you are. From your posts we can tell that you've applied no critical thinking to the matter, and can barely even parrot the tripe trotted out by some tin foil hat wearing websites :laugh:
You are what we call, "A stupid fucking retard".
....is that a royal 'we' or a personal, me and people like me 'we'...those who spout their beliefs as gospel are about as ill informed as those who genuinely can say 'they dont know'...never trust whats been told you, what you think you know or what you think you have seen...if its all there in 'black and white', you can be sure, its really just grey..
imdying
27th May 2011, 11:30
Go and read the site he linked to :shutup:
oneofsix
27th May 2011, 11:31
....is that a royal 'we' or a personal, me and people like me 'we'...those who spout their beliefs as gospel are about as ill informed as those who genuinely can say 'they dont know'...never trust whats been told you, what you think you know or what you think you have seen...if its all there in 'black and white', you can be sure, its really just grey..
you can't trust those that say they know and you can't trust those that say they don't know. :niceone:
marty
27th May 2011, 13:06
Go and read the site he linked to :shutup:
it must be true - it's on the internet.
so is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio but they kinda fucked that one up
avgas
27th May 2011, 13:55
If I could find that guy that shot him - Id empty my wallet and shout him the best night of his life. Mind you....I suspect around half a billion or so others might beat me to it.
Thank god that murder inciting Thug is dead.
What did he do to you?
avgas
27th May 2011, 13:58
who believe Professional Wrestling is fighting for real ..
Can you smell what the rock is cooking.
Hangi bro!
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 17:16
What did he do to you?
Thats the same as asking me what Hitler did to you. Or Stalin. Or Mao.
BL did nothing to me, personally. Just think it through man.....
mashman
27th May 2011, 18:22
So the NZ Reserve Bank is controlled by the Rothschilds?
You have proof of this?
I've posted as much proof as you ever do :)
mashman
27th May 2011, 18:24
What?! :shit: its down to one family now? I thought it was meant to be 4. Rothschilds, Morgans, Rockafellas and can't remember the fourth or was that the Kennedys. Guess they are all intermarried anyhow.
Dunno, i always thought it was 3 families... :lol: they probably are "intermarried"... wonder if they're "designer" kids :rofl:
Oscar
27th May 2011, 18:27
I've posted as much proof as you ever do :)
As usual, you've got it arse about face.
Your schtick is to post something stupid and then fail to back it up with any evidence.
And I can prove that...
mashman
27th May 2011, 18:33
As usual, you've got it arse about face.
Your schtick is to post something stupid and then fail to back it up with any evidence.
And I can prove that...
So instead of stroking your ego, perhaps you would educate instead... but that's not what Elitists do, is it :)...
Oscar
27th May 2011, 18:53
So instead of stroking your ego, perhaps you would educate instead... but that's not what Elitists do, is it :)...
Elitist? What a load of crap.
Every time you make some lame claim, like the Rothschilds running the Reserve Bank, I figure it might be interesting to see what's behind it. And everytime you fail to put up.
You are a disappointment.
mashman
27th May 2011, 19:27
Elitist? What a load of crap.
Every time you make some lame claim, like the Rothschilds running the Reserve Bank, I figure it might be interesting to see what's behind it. And everytime you fail to put up.
And you're still stroking your ego without just proving that quotes I posted where wrong.
You are a disappointment.
You are an Elitist.
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 19:40
And you're still stroking your ego without just proving that quotes I posted where wrong.
For the rest of us England types.....can you translate this? ta.
mashman
27th May 2011, 19:46
For the rest of us England types.....can you translate this? ta.
And you're still stroking your ego without just proving that THE quotes I posted were wrong.
:rofl:... does that help :rofl:
Oscar
27th May 2011, 20:48
And you're still stroking your ego without just proving that quotes I posted where wrong.
You are an Elitist.
I'm not stroking anything, I'm just shaking my head that you could be so gullible.
Please try to remember:
Just because it's on the internet, don't make it the truth.
Just because no one else believes what you say doesn't make you smart.
theblacksmith
27th May 2011, 21:03
Well whoever is bored with watching the Muppets....
Have a look at this movie-Its of a guy named John Perkings who used to work for the CIA as an "Economic Hitman"
He gives you a good idea of what the US admin are capable of.
He s also written a book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"
No doubt he knows a few things about the towers too.
enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLe9u9SffO0&feature=related
theblacksmith
27th May 2011, 21:09
So the NZ Reserve Bank is controlled by the Rothschilds?
You have proof of this?
The NZ Reserve Bank gets the money-or the debt, from The World reserve Bank
which is owned and controlled by the Rothschilds, Rockerfellers and other elite families.
Why do you think one of them said-I care not who runs a country-give me the control of the money supply and I know who controls it.
Study Zeitgeist.com if you want to know more.
Oscar
27th May 2011, 21:14
The NZ Reserve Bank gets the money-or the debt, from The World reserve Bank
which is owned and controlled by the Rothschilds, Rockerfellers and other elite families.
Why do you think one of them said-I care not who runs a country-give me the control of the money supply and I know who controls it.
Study Zeitgeist.com if you want to know more.
The World Reserve Bank?:facepalm:
WTF is that?
The NZ Reserve Bank gets most of it's money from China at the moment.
Do you think China is part of the Jewish Conspiracy?:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Oscar
27th May 2011, 21:17
:rofl:... does that help :rofl:
What I don't understand is that there are fruitbag conspiracy sites all over the internet. What did we do to deserve you?:facepalm:
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 21:19
Gosh Blacksmith - im surprised you havent yet mentioned that retired US Army Major General guy, that was once head of Army Intelligence - who is publicly claiming he has the experience to 'state' the towers fell by some means other than fire/aircraft. Really. Go look him up. Fascintaing read. And he has credentials!!
Just whatever you do - do not dig deeper. Dont try to find out 'why' he has these beleifs. Nor what his work was before he left the Army. Nor who is paying his airfares and wages.
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 21:20
What I don't understand is that there are fruitbag conspiracy sites all over the internet. What did we do to deserve you?:facepalm:
Theyve always been around. Just JFK and Hoover et al are soooo yesteryear. They got fresh product to work now.
And btw,
1. Man never walked on the moon. They have photo evidence to show this.
2. Russia tried to end the cold war in 1969, but the USA needed war for their economoy.
3. Margaret Thatcher was actually related to Joseph Stalin. But the gubbermint covered it up.
4. Aunty Helens hubby is as straight as the empire straight building is tall.
theblacksmith
27th May 2011, 21:48
Fuck Im glad I have a good crew of awake people to ride with lol.
theblacksmith
27th May 2011, 21:58
The World Reserve Bank?:facepalm:
WTF is that?
The NZ Reserve Bank gets most of it's money from China at the moment.
Do you think China is part of the Jewish Conspiracy?:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Mate if you dont know what the world reserve bank is or the International Monetary Fund then best of luck to ya.
China must have acres of money trees lol.
Why is New Zealand having to borrow a billion a month off the IMF????
Yeah you dont hear that on mainstream media-its cos we owe so much interest to the world bank. Its bullshit-without debt theres no money and without money there is no debt. E-mail John Key and ask him why the fuck are we so much in debt.
And we have a free trade agreement with china thats all.
Oscar
27th May 2011, 22:01
Mate if you dont know what the world reserve bank is or the International Monetary Fund then best of luck to ya.
China must have acres of money trees lol.
Why is New Zealand having to borrow a billion a month off the IMF????
Yeah you dont hear that on mainstream media-its cos we owe so much interest to the world bank. Its bullshit-without debt theres no money and without money there is no debt. E-mail John Key and ask him why the fuck are we so much in debt.
And we have a free trade agreement with china thats all.
Make up your mind - World Reserve Bank or IMF - which is it?
You know fuck all about banking don't you:facepalm:
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 22:03
Yeah you dont hear that on mainstream media-
Try turning your TV or radio on? Like....actually "on".
Now this media bashing. Are you having a go at its ability to discover (investigate) 'the truth', or at its integrity and willingness to publish, freely, what it sees as media-worthy?
theblacksmith
27th May 2011, 22:05
Google it einstein ffs! Fkn clever cloggs.:facepalm::stupid::stupid::stupid::doh::wei rd:
theblacksmith
27th May 2011, 22:08
Try turning your TV or radio on? Like....actually "on".
Now this media bashing. Are you having a go at its ability to discover (investigate) 'the truth', or at its integrity and willingness to publish, freely, what it sees as media-worthy?
Corporates control the media, MR Sheeple
All for profit and to get what they want.
And to hypnotise chaps like you lol.
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 22:11
Corporates control the media, MR Sheeple
All for profit and to get what they want.
Ohhh LOL. Hardcore.
Why dont you go out and meet some of these media types.
Rather than sitting in some bumptown and hating the world - get on your bike, get out there and Experience some different perspectives.
Your anti-world - everyones-conspiring-on-everything line is kinda droll.
You may find our Media takes pride in its independance, and ability to freely publish.
Heres a recent example. John Stephenson - some consider this watergate 35 years on.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1104/S00292/torture-the-sas-govts-guilty-secrets-in-afghanistan.htm
theblacksmith
27th May 2011, 22:33
Mate ive just rode 24,000 ks in 9 months. Plus what Ive done in my truck and car- to go out anymore would make me forget my family even existed-stop fkn assuming.
And the world is a good place-as Ive taught my 2 kids. One is the Head Boy at local College and my girl is Student Rep at same college. Ive been around a bit mate and talked to a lot of people in banking,finance and leasing etc.
All I see here is a handfull of people who have been had by the media that just want to
run anyone down with any sort of alternative media(not controlled by corporate giants who dont give a fuck about you either-only your dollar or your mortgage) As I said in an earlier post Im so lucky I have a big crowd of riding mates who are not quite in the hypnotic(media) trance that some of you guys are in-its quite funny.
And as for my TV - I switched it off years ago -Its Mass Hypnosis.(for the bored and gullible) I will not be checking any more posts here-Id rather spend my time watching a spider have a shit,watching my goldfish sweat or paint drying or something slightly more interesting. You guys are funny but not entertaining.
:whocares::facepalm:
Oscar
27th May 2011, 22:59
Mate ive just rode 24,000 ks in 9 months. Plus what Ive done in my truck and car- to go out anymore would make me forget my family even existed-stop fkn assuming.
And the world is a good place-as Ive taught my 2 kids. One is the Head Boy at local College and my girl is Student Rep at same college. Ive been around a bit mate and talked to a lot of people in banking,finance and leasing etc.
All I see here is a handfull of people who have been had by the media that just want to
run anyone down with any sort of alternative media(not controlled by corporate giants who dont give a fuck about you either-only your dollar or your mortgage) As I said in an earlier post Im so lucky I have a big crowd of riding mates who are not quite in the hypnotic(media) trance that some of you guys are in-its quite funny.
And as for my TV - I switched it off years ago -Its Mass Hypnosis.(for the bored and gullible) I will not be checking any more posts here-Id rather spend my time watching a spider have a shit,watching my goldfish sweat or paint drying or something slightly more interesting. You guys are funny but not entertaining.
:whocares::facepalm:
You just know better, don't you?
mashman
27th May 2011, 23:02
I'm not stroking anything, I'm just shaking my head that you could be so gullible.
Please try to remember:
Just because it's on the internet, don't make it the truth.
Just because no one else believes what you say doesn't make you smart.
:rofl: Elitist.
1. But printed in a "official" book, or an official balance sheet is gospel?
2. Glad you miss the point entirely... proves that you're an Elitist!
Theyve always been around. Just JFK and Hoover et al are soooo yesteryear. They got fresh product to work now.
:rofl:... Answer me this. Why would you go to war with Iraqi, Afghanistan, Libya etc... when situations like Zimbabwe and Sierra Leone existed long before any of the "latter" day conflicts? Why allow worse suffering elsewhere? I believe I still have some sand left in the garage... I can even find you a bucket?
What I don't understand is that there are fruitbag conspiracy sites all over the internet. What did we do to deserve you?
Karma I guess.
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 23:15
the media that just want to
run anyone down with any sort of alternative media(not controlled by corporate giants who dont give a fuck about you either-only your dollar or your mortgage)
I will not be checking any more posts here
1. I guess you didnt bother to read my link to the afghan-SAS debate. No worries. Media is evil ya de da.
2. I did not intend to drive you away from this thread - I wanted to dispute some issues is all, and put a different version out there. Partly in case someone that really doesnt know anything comes along and reads your version and think its uncontested - the truth!
3. Its a touchy topic man. Expect touchy replies - unfortunately some of them will be more personal that is 'decent'.
Peace.
eelracing
27th May 2011, 23:16
Your anti-world - everyones-conspiring-on-everything line is kinda droll.
Ah but the world needs more free thinkers...it was'nt that long ago when the "If your not with us,then you must be against us." line shut the USA press down quicker than a towie to a road smash.
ellipsis
27th May 2011, 23:17
The World Reserve Bank?:facepalm:
WTF is that?
The NZ Reserve Bank gets most of it's money from China at the moment.
Do you think China is part of the Jewish Conspiracy?:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
...money is a very fluid power...
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 23:18
:rofl:... Answer me this. Why would you go to war with Iraqi, Afghanistan, Libya etc... when situations like Zimbabwe and Sierra Leone existed long before any of the "latter" day conflicts? Why allow worse suffering elsewhere?
I have no idea. Why would 'you?' or anyone 'allow' this.
Note: Your use of 'allow' seems to imply passive accpetance of the event, or are you implying its a condoned event/war?
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 23:20
Ah but the world needs more free thinkers...it was'nt that long ago when the "If your not with us,then you must be against us." line shut the USA press down quicker than a towie to a road smash.
Agreed.
Look im not pro-yank in most respects.
But I do like to think the average yank is now aware their media now have far more safeguards than it did in the late 40's to mid 60's...
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 23:21
...money is a very fluid power...
So is cow shit
mashman
27th May 2011, 23:30
I have no idea. Why would 'you?' or anyone 'allow' this.
Note: Your use of 'allow' seems to imply passive accpetance of the event, or are you implying its a condoned event/war?
I wouldn't. There are those that do, have done for decades, have the power to "intervene" yet don't. They can find and kill Osama Bin Lady when he's in hiding. Yet they won't do anything against Mugabe etc...
So, re: your Note: Yes, Yes.
but don't worry, it's just a media conspiracy.
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 23:45
I wouldn't. There are those that do, have done for decades, have the power to "intervene" yet don't. They can find and kill Osama Bin Lady when he's in hiding. Yet they won't do anything against Mugabe etc...
So, re: your Note: Yes, Yes.
but don't worry, it's just a media conspiracy.
At a guess....the 50,000 staff or whatever they have, in US state Dept (or whatever dept the yanks call it) weighed up the pros and cons to using force.
Zimbabwe - no oil.
Libya - riskt he wrath of the entire region - hence so much effort to make this (appear to be?) a NATO mission, rather than a USA one.
Well...this is the views I have gathered from watching mainstream media.
ellipsis
27th May 2011, 23:49
So is cow shit
...no power in cow-shit...you seem very confident that your views are incontravertible...smacks of dogma and zealotism to me...black and white are not colours...fly them if you wish...
jaffaonajappa
27th May 2011, 23:52
...no power in cow-shit...you seem very confident that your views are incontravertible...smacks of dogma and zealotism to me...black and white are not colours...fly them if you wish...
Cow shits powering cars - something like that. Methane? Arghhh, maybe not.
Yeah, black and white. Im usually sitting on the fence / grey areas most often. But some topics.....nah, stand has to be made. Might get it wrong some times, but better sitting on that fence on important issues.
ellipsis
28th May 2011, 00:16
, stand has to be made.
....gotta stand somewhere...I've been standing on shaky ground for years..sometimes on sinking ships..its great to wake up, and its all still here...it would be a real cunt when you wake up dead...would'nt it...
Try turning your TV or radio on? Like....actually "on".
Now this media bashing. Are you having a go at its ability to discover (investigate) 'the truth', or at its integrity and willingness to publish, freely, what it sees as media-worthy?
With respect to international news, the NZ media is not about finding anything except the latest "news" from Reuters and regurgitating it. That is what they do. It is up to YOU to figure out whether it is true, false, biased and or misleading. If you think the NZ media is going to do that for you, then you are in fairy land...
jaffaonajappa
28th May 2011, 08:04
With respect to international news, the NZ media is not about finding anything except the latest "news" from Reuters and regurgitating it. That is what they do. It is up to YOU to figure out whether it is true, false, biased and or misleading. If you think the NZ media is going to do that for you, then you are in fairy land...
Yeah, to some extent your spot on.
The media often doesnt Dig up issues - unless theres a market for it.
But did you see that Metro article linked before? Theres some nice investigative journalism.
The media certainly is biased. Sometimes to the point of being blind and misled (especially political opinions, ie Dominion vs NZ Herald?).
But that is a far different situation to being 'controlled', unable to publish freely, and lacking basic Integrity by not publishing lies. And no, I am not talking about the Iranian or Chinese media.
Oscar
28th May 2011, 10:50
:rofl: Elitist.
1. But printed in a "official" book, or an official balance sheet is gospel?
2. Glad you miss the point entirely... proves that you're an Elitist!
:rofl:... Answer me this. Why would you go to war with Iraqi, Afghanistan, Libya etc... when situations like Zimbabwe and Sierra Leone existed long before any of the "latter" day conflicts? Why allow worse suffering elsewhere? I believe I still have some sand left in the garage... I can even find you a bucket?
Karma I guess.
So you just ignore 2000 years of Western Civilisation and make shit up?
Who's the elitist again?:facepalm:
You never support ant of the crap you spout with any credible evidence, "official" or otherwise. The best you do when challenged is make more nebulous comments.
You are full of it.
Oscar
28th May 2011, 10:53
With respect to international news, the NZ media is not about finding anything except the latest "news" from Reuters and regurgitating it. That is what they do. It is up to YOU to figure out whether it is true, false, biased and or misleading. If you think the NZ media is going to do that for you, then you are in fairy land...
I agree with you totally about the NZ media.
However your comments about credibility go double for the morons here who traverse the outer reaches of the interweb and present it as fact. International Jewish Monetary Conspiracy anyone...??:facepalm:
Oscar
28th May 2011, 10:57
They can find and kill Osama Bin Lady when he's in hiding. Yet they won't do anything against Mugabe etc...
Why do you suggest "they" do against Mugabe, toughguy?
I notice you didn't say "we" should do something about him.
Any action to unseat him would almost certainly end in conflict.
Would you send your kids to war?
Would you go?
mashman
28th May 2011, 14:49
So you just ignore 2000 years of Western Civilisation and make shit up?
Who's the elitist again?
You never support ant of the crap you spout with any credible evidence, "official" or otherwise. The best you do when challenged is make more nebulous comments.
You are full of it.
:rofl:... civilisation is stretching it somewhat.
You are... have you not been paying attention?
I wish you'd just make your mind up, label me, and then schtick with it :)
Full of what? a truth that you refuse to accept :yes:, because it comes from what you perceive as "deluded stupid" people. You are an Elitist!
Why do you suggest "they" do against Mugabe, toughguy?
I notice you didn't say "we" should do something about him.
Any action to unseat him would almost certainly end in conflict.
Would you send your kids to war?
Would you go?
Kill him, or grab him and prosecute him for crimes against humanity. Same as they did with Osama and Saddam. At least Osama had "noble" reasons for doing what he did. But you will probably take offence to that too, because you don't have the first clue of where I am coming from.
:rofl:, I believe large groups of people have tried that and been destroyed doing so, I wonder why :blink:. There is no "we", there are only "You People". Those who know best :killingme
Same thing will probably happen when he dies of natural causes. Why bother saving thousands of lives in the meantime.
No, but I wouldn't stop them if they truly wanted to go.
To a foreign country to fight for reasons with financial motives? :rofl:, not a chance. I'm a chicken shit :shit:
cave weta
29th May 2011, 12:29
As a rule... I dont do politics..
But Ive read just this last page- I can't be bothered reading any more of the 11 pages of drivvle.
some of you are too busy arguing to see what is going on. The term Media Circus is just that. it is a performance to divert your attentions away from the truth.
Mainstream media is controlled by the zionists distract the sheeple . While the real issues of our future on this planet are fought out on another level.
'Conspiricy Theorist' is a buzzword coined by the media themselves that the semi educated grasp with glee to make them feel more secure.
These truth searchers are a small group that see the entire picture for what it really is and attempt to wake the 'anti conspiricy theorists' to work as allies with them. But unfortunately, the anti conspiricy theorists just dont have the balls to stand up for the truth. They are too concerned with what their peers might think of them!
The media use this as a weapon to ridicule and mock the open minded truth searchers, keeping them under control.
Bottom line is always money- research has shown them that 'woman's weekly' easily digestable magazine type news is what boosts their ratings and that increases advertising revenue and that is what they are there for.
Real News is not available from mainsteam sources, Look at the sham that is the coverage of the Japan earthquake disaster!- can you recall seeing how many people have died or are missing? have you read or heard of the actual levels of radiation and its spread around the globe?
Can you tell me the latest news on the effects that the trajectory of comet C/2010- Elenin will have on our civilization?
here is NASAs nicy nice predictions http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-135
and here is independent science's research- http://reinep.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/comet-elenin-could-hit-earth/
The two could not be more different- yet does it make the news? -No.
The news will only report on what is -entertaining-digestable-Controlable
George Orwell's book 1984 has all the truths for those who are able to see them.
-"have you read the great news brother?- chocolate ration is to be increased to 30grams per week!"
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
avgas
29th May 2011, 12:44
...no power in cow-shit.
Depend on who holds the cow shit (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335635/ns/us_news-environment/t/poop-power-sewage-turned-electricity/). And how much shit a cow produces.
Come to think about it the US$ does sound a bit like cow shit:gob::facepalm:
avgas
29th May 2011, 12:49
Can someone explain to me why we can't just crash a plane into the wrecked tall buildings in Chch. They fall down perfectly if you crash a plane into them - honestly if we crash a plane into them they won't even touch the nearby buildings.
Will be the safest demolition ever.
Honest I saws it on TV
Virago
29th May 2011, 12:59
...Mainstream media is controlled by the zionist elite to distract the sheeple . While the real issues of our future on this planet are fought out on another level.
'Conspiricy Theorist' is a buzzword coined by the media themselves that the semi educated grasp with glee to make them feel more secure.
These truth searchers are a small group that see the entire picture for what it really is and attempt to wake the 'anti conspiricy theorists' to work as allies with them. But unfortunately, the anti conspiricy theorists just dont have the balls to stand up for the truth...
(Blah blah, obsessive drivel...)
...George Orwell's book 1984 has all the truths for those who are able to see them.
-"have you read the great news brother?- chocolate ration is to be increased to 30grams per week!"
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
Thanks for confirming what we've been saying all along.
Conspiracy nutters are convinced that they alone know "The Truth", and that they must convince "The Sheeple" of such. Funnily enough, they label those who refuse to be converted as "elitist"...
Whether you use the Bible as your scripture, or George Orwell's 1984, you're still just a "religious" nutcase, spiralling deeper into an obsessive chasm of hatred and distrust of others. Thankfully you can't have the rest of us burnt at the stake these days...
cave weta
29th May 2011, 13:15
Thanks for confirming what we've been saying all along.
Conspiracy nutters are convinced that they know "The Truth", and that they must convince "The Sheeple" of such. Funnily enough, they label those who refuse to be converted as "elitist"...
Whether you use the Bible as your scripture, or George Orwell's 1984, you're still just a "religious" nutcase, spiralling deeper into a chasm of hatred and distrust of others. Thankfully you can't have the rest of us burnt at the stake these days...
Well ... you dont see me constantly following you around the threads making hatefull and distrustful comments now do you mr Virago? - I do notice that in your quote you deleted all that can not be used to further your closed minded crusade to quash all free thinking. - can you share your opinion with us on the news worthy issues that I mentioned that are not being covered - and perhaps tell us why they are not covered?
Virago
29th May 2011, 13:20
Well ... you dont see me constantly following you around the threads making hatefull and distrustful comments now do you mr Virago? - I do notice that in your quote you deleted all that can not be used to further your closed minded crusade to quash all free thinking. - can you share your opinion with us on the news worthy issues that I mentioned that are not being covered - and perhaps tell us why they are not covered?
I'm obviously not capable of doing so - I'm one of "The Sheeple", remember...? :yes:
jaffaonajappa
29th May 2011, 13:24
Whether you use the Bible as your scripture, or George Orwell's 1984, you're still just a "religious" nutcase, spiralling deeper into an obsessive chasm of hatred and distrust of others.
Well put.
+1.
mashman
29th May 2011, 15:25
Conspiracy nutters are convinced that they alone know "The Truth", and that they must convince "The Sheeple" of such. Funnily enough, they label those who refuse to be converted as "elitist"...
Whether you use the Bible as your scripture, or George Orwell's 1984, you're still just a "religious" nutcase, spiralling deeper into an obsessive chasm of hatred and distrust of others. Thankfully you can't have the rest of us burnt at the stake these days...
Ahhhh, another one... :killingme ... :rofl: @ converted... you have no idea, do you?
Ohhhh that's what it is is it? an obsessive chasm of hatred and distrust of others :blink:... glad you nailed it Dr, I thinking it was just wind.
imdying
29th May 2011, 19:59
For some reason, hear the Knight Rider theme song...
Truth searchers, a small group that sees the entire picture for what it really. They attempt to wake the anti conspiricy theorists to work as their allies...
Or is it the A-Team?
Oscar
30th May 2011, 10:17
I wouldn't. There are those that do, have done for decades, have the power to "intervene" yet don't. They can find and kill Osama Bin Lady when he's in hiding. Yet they won't do anything against Mugabe etc...
So, re: your Note: Yes, Yes.
but don't worry, it's just a media conspiracy.
What do you think "they" should do about Mugabe?
mashman
30th May 2011, 12:20
What do you think "they" should do about Mugabe?
I answered that the last time you asked the question... as well as the rest of your questions... :rofl:, losing your marbles? Go back 1 page :shit:, if you can manage it, and try to read post 431 :shifty:
Oscar
30th May 2011, 12:34
I answered that the last time you asked the question... as well as the rest of your questions... :rofl:, losing your marbles? Go back 1 page :shit:, if you can manage it, and try to read post 431 :shifty:
I may have lost a couple of marbles, but it appears you had none to start with.
You wank on about what should be done, yet you aren't prepared to say how, other than say if they ot OBL, then they should get Mugabe. Why would the Americans care about Zimbabwe? You crp on about "them", and various nebulous conspiracies, yet you appear to be happy to allow "them" to the dirty work.
They say talk is cheap, but in your case it's completely valueless.
avgas
30th May 2011, 13:01
What do you think "they" should do about Mugabe?
Get him a captain America outfit. A fat one.
Oscar
30th May 2011, 13:13
Get him a captain America outfit. A fat one.
Bwwahaha...............
:killingme:killingme
Virago
30th May 2011, 13:21
...Ohhhh that's what it is is it? an obsessive chasm of hatred and distrust of others :blink:... glad you nailed it Dr, I thinking it was just wind.
Yup, that's exactly what it is.
"The Jews are responsible for this, the Masons and "Illuminati" are responsible for that, and the Americans are responsible for everything else, including almost every natural and man-made disaster. I don't need to prove my accusations, it's up to you to prove I'm wrong."
Blah, blah...
The obsessive belief of some that there's a conspiracy behind almost everything, does indeed display a totally unfounded and unnecessary distrust and contempt of human kind. Fortunately, the problem is in their own minds - there is invariably no bogey-man, despite the existence of web-sites "proving" that there is.
Oscar
30th May 2011, 13:30
Yup, that's exactly what it is.
"The Jews are responsible for this, the Masons and "Illuminati" are responsible for that, and the Americans are responsible for everything else, including almost every natural and man-made disaster. I don't need to prove my accusations, it's up to you to prove I'm wrong."
Blah, blah...
The obsessive belief of some that there's a conspiracy behind almost everything, does indeed display a totally unfounded and unnecessary distrust and contempt of human kind. Fortunately, the problem is in their own minds - there is invariably no bogey-man, despite the existence of web-sites "proving" that there is.
I love the distrust of the mainstream media.
People are labelled "sheep" for trusting the usual media, but are expected to believe some fruit bag no one's ever heard of. Any attempt to debate these facts come full circle where one is lambasted for posting contradictory evidence from the "man".
It's classic religious dogma - you must believe what you're old by the acolytes and any attempt to debate is met with double speak – you must believe us because any other source of information is tainted by the "man" (the devil).
NighthawkNZ
30th May 2011, 13:31
there is invariably no bogey-man, despite the existence of web-sites "proving" that there is.
I seen it on a movie... it was in colour and american, and it is on the net,... so it must be true... bogey man and aliems I tells yah
Oscar
30th May 2011, 13:35
I seen it on a movie... it was in colour and american, and it is on the net,... so it must be true... bogey man and aliems I tells yah
Shit I'd fogotten about the aliems.
Where's me tin foil hat?
mashman
30th May 2011, 13:49
Virago, where have I ever said that I believe in any of this? "The Jews are responsible for this, the Masons and "Illuminati" are responsible for that, and the Americans are responsible for everything else, including almost every natural and man-made disaster. I don't need to prove my accusations, it's up to you to prove I'm wrong.". You, as plenty of others have, seem to be making my mind up for me and putting words into my mouth based on what you've read in other postings. But then I suppose that's your style :). Please, you really are entertaining, do carry on putting me into that little box that you've constructed for me... :killingme
The obsessive belief of some that there's a conspiracy behind almost everything, does indeed display a totally unfounded and unnecessary distrust and contempt of human kind. Fortunately, the problem is in their own minds - there is invariably no bogey-man, despite the existence of web-sites "proving" that there is.
:rofl:... I have an obsession do I? I believe that there's a conspiracy behind everything do I? to the point where I leave absolutely no wiggle room for accepting that there is no conspiracy?
PRICELESS :killingme...
Virago
30th May 2011, 13:51
You're thoroughly convinced that this is all about YOU...? :shutup:
Oscar
30th May 2011, 13:53
Virago, where have I ever said that I believe in any of this? "The Jews are responsible for this, the Masons and "Illuminati" are responsible for that, and the Americans are responsible for everything else, including almost every natural and man-made disaster. I don't need to prove my accusations, it's up to you to prove I'm wrong.". You, as plenty of others have, seem to be making my mind up for me and putting words into my mouth based on what you've read in other postings. But then I suppose that's your style :). Please, you really are entertaining, do carry on putting me into that little box that you've constructed for me... :killingme
:rofl:... I have an obsession do I? I believe that there's a conspiracy behind everything do I? to the point where I leave absolutely no wiggle room for accepting that there is no conspiracy?
PRICELESS :killingme...
Maybe people are putting words in your mouth because most of what you come up with on your own makes no sense at all. As for making up your mind, there's no evidence to suggest that such an untidy amalagm of half baked nonsense could be made into anything.
Oscar
30th May 2011, 13:56
You're thoroughly convinced that this is all about YOU...? :shutup:
Obsessive narcissist paranoia - Mashman Syndrome
mashman
30th May 2011, 13:57
I may have lost a couple of marbles, but it appears you had none to start with.
You wank on about what should be done, yet you aren't prepared to say how, other than say if they ot OBL, then they should get Mugabe. Why would the Americans care about Zimbabwe? You crp on about "them", and various nebulous conspiracies, yet you appear to be happy to allow "them" to the dirty work.
They say talk is cheap, but in your case it's completely valueless.
Perhaps that's a good thing :yes:... if becoming part of your ilk is the alternative that is :yes:
Bucket of sand sir? Your Elitist attitude has left you indifferent to the world, but that's to be expected... old dogs, new tricks...
It is when confronted with Elitists like yourself. You hide behind the lack of proof, where you post no proof yourself to back up any of your arguments. Of course you don't think you have to because you KNOW better :rofl: :killingme... you have earned your label!
mashman
30th May 2011, 13:59
You're thoroughly convinced that this is all about YOU...? :shutup:
:blink: you may think what you like... unless that was actually a question?
mashman
30th May 2011, 14:02
Maybe people are putting words in your mouth because most of what you come up with on your own makes no sense at all. As for making up your mind, there's no evidence to suggest that such an untidy amalagm of half baked nonsense could be made into anything.
:rofl: and why would people put words into my mouth? Seems awfully rude to put something in anyone else's mouth, without first seeking permission that is :shifty:... To you there may not be. I'm giddily content knowing that.
Oscar
30th May 2011, 14:06
Perhaps that's a good thing :yes:... if becoming part of your ilk is the alternative that is :yes:
Bucket of sand sir? Your Elitist attitude has left you indifferent to the world, but that's to be expected... old dogs, new tricks...
It is when confronted with Elitists like yourself. You hide behind the lack of proof, where you post no proof yourself to back up any of your arguments. Of course you don't think you have to because you KNOW better :rofl: :killingme... you have earned your label!
I wonder if you exist in paralell universe sometimes.
Everytime I contradict one of your brain farts, I'm accused of sheep like trust in "conventional" sources. I cant argue with someone who only has a passing acquaintance with the real world.
Perhaps you should retreat to your illusory little world and stay there...
imdying
30th May 2011, 14:07
I don't need to prove my accusations, it's up to you to prove I'm wrong.I asked me apple before I ate it for lunch, it told me that you're bat shit crazy and wrong.
There you go, ball is in your court. Prove my apple wrong.
Oscar
30th May 2011, 14:07
:rofl: and why would people put words into my mouth?
I dunno.
You said it, not me.
Having trouble keeping up with your own verbiage ?:facepalm:
Oscar
30th May 2011, 14:09
I asked me apple before I ate it for lunch, it told me that you're bat shit crazy and wrong.
There you go, ball is in your court. Prove my apple wrong.
You fool!
Your apple was a tool of the establishment...it was a sheepleapple..
imdying
30th May 2011, 14:15
You fool!
Your apple was a tool of the establishment...it was a sheepleapple..Nup, I checked, it was hand fed and lived free range. None of the mans cages here man :punk:
mashman
30th May 2011, 14:18
I wonder if you exist in paralell universe sometimes.
Everytime I contradict one of your brain farts, I'm accused of sheep like trust in "conventional" sources. I cant argue with someone who only has a passing acquaintance with the real world.
Perhaps you should retreat to your illusory little world and stay there...
:rofl: @ real world... you're not John Key are you? You haven't got a clue!!!
Oscar
30th May 2011, 14:37
:rofl: @ real world... you're not John Key are you? You haven't got a clue!!!
Being accused of not having a clue by someone who thinks the world would get by without money doesn't really bother me old chap. Tell us again about your moneyless utopia...
...tell you what I'll give three swedes and a mangleworzel if it's entertaining:yes:
mashman
30th May 2011, 15:05
Being accused of not having a clue by someone who thinks the world would get by without money doesn't really bother me old chap. Tell us again about your moneyless utopia...
...tell you what I'll give three swedes and a mangleworzel if it's entertaining
I know it doesn't. I would, but your cup is already full.
:facepalm:... I thought given your intellectual capacity such a concept would be childs play to understand. Guess brains aren't everything.
2 kids standing in front of you. There's only enough food for 1 of the kids. One is a fat Maori kid, the other is a thin White kid. Which one would you shoot?
Virago
30th May 2011, 15:10
2 kids standing in front of you. There's only enough food for 1 of the kids. One is a fat Maori kid, the other is a thin White kid. Which one would you shoot?
The thin white one - he's probably one of dem Jewish conspirators...
Oscar
30th May 2011, 15:15
I know it doesn't. I would, but your cup is already full.
:facepalm:... I thought given your intellectual capacity such a concept would be childs play to understand. Guess brains aren't everything.
2 kids standing in front of you. There's only enough food for 1 of the kids. One is a fat Maori kid, the other is a thin White kid. Which one would you shoot?
As you say, the concept of a money-less society is child's play....and childish.
You seem to be a bitter person who'd like to change the world so as to get what you want. Maybe you should try hard graft (unless all this jumping to conclusions has made you tired).
Oh, and BTW - I'd shoot you and give your share to the kids.
NighthawkNZ
30th May 2011, 15:27
You fool!
Your apple was a tool of the establishment...it was a sheepleapple..
You mean Sheaple???
NighthawkNZ
30th May 2011, 15:35
I know it doesn't. I would, but your cup is already full.
:facepalm:... I thought given your intellectual capacity such a concept would be childs play to understand. Guess brains aren't everything.
2 kids standing in front of you. There's only enough food for 1 of the kids. One is a fat Maori kid, the other is a thin White kid. Which one would you shoot?
Do I have my glasses on...?
if I do... then I am a pretty good shot and would both with the one bullet using my aliem technology laser guided full titaium metal jacket round... and take the food for myself ... oh wait...
but if I haven't got my glasses on, I would be aiming for the thin jew conspirators and most likely miss and hit the fat kid...
however why am I shooting anyone or any kid both kids get half rations... ??? or I would walk away and let them fight it out for them self and since the thin jew conspirators as powerful family members and has an underground base full of food and the army and ewquipment to protect it all... hang what thread is this again...???
Oscar
30th May 2011, 16:21
You mean Sheaple???
Holy Aliems!
We've cracked their code!
It's a fruit based takeover...:shit:
Virago
30th May 2011, 16:25
Holy Aliems!
We've cracked their code!
It's a fruit based takeover...:shit:
So it's not the Jews - it's Juice...? :facepalm:
mashman
30th May 2011, 16:33
As you say, the concept of a money-less society is child's play....and childish.
You seem to be a bitter person who'd like to change the world so as to get what you want. Maybe you should try hard graft (unless all this jumping to conclusions has made you tired).
Oh, and BTW - I'd shoot you and give your share to the kids.
:killingme
:killingme
I thought as much :yes:.
Banditbandit
30th May 2011, 16:34
Isn't it about time this thread was relegated to pointless drivel ??? Why wasn't it there in the first place???
mashman
30th May 2011, 16:39
Isn't it about time this thread was relegated to pointless drivel ??? Why wasn't it there in the first place???
To OscarTown with this thread :rofl:
Oscar
30th May 2011, 16:52
Isn't it about time this thread was relegated to pointless drivel ??? Why wasn't it there in the first place???
It keeps Mashman off the street.
He's be in a bus shetler, pestering people for change and muttering to himself otherwise. They shouldn't release obviously psychotic inmates into the community so early..sad really.
NighthawkNZ
30th May 2011, 16:54
So it's not the Jews - it's Juice...? :facepalm:
apple... mac iSheaple, iJews or iJuice
don't you know nuffink :blink:
mashman
30th May 2011, 17:45
It keeps Mashman off the street.
He's be in a bus shetler, pestering people for change and muttering to himself otherwise. They shouldn't release obviously psychotic inmates into the community so early..sad really.
I found that there were too many one eyed geriatrics moving into my patch, so moved on to internet forums instead... you didn't take the number 13 to Main Street 2 years this tuesday did you?
jaffaonajappa
30th May 2011, 20:34
I found that there were too many one eyed geriatrics moving into my patch, so moved on to internet forums instead... you didn't take the number 13 to Main Street 2 years this tuesday did you?
Yes. I did. But I was the only passenger on the bus.....were you driving it?
mashman
30th May 2011, 20:44
Yes. I did. But I was the only passenger on the bus.....were you driving it?
Whotchu doing here then? oh, hang on, i'm sensing a pattern here... if you take the 9th May 2011 and remove "th May 20", you get 911... it must be a conspiracy theory... are you one of them men in black coming to flash us? help, help, I'm falling into darkness, the walls are closing in arou... ah ahhh ahhhhhhhhhhhhh ahhhh ah a... oh, perhaps that isn't it after all. Hmph.
jaffaonajappa
30th May 2011, 20:52
Whotchu doing here then? oh, hang on, i'm sensing a pattern here... if you take the 9th May 2011 and remove "th May 20", you get 911... it must be a conspiracy theory... are you one of them men in black coming to flash us? help, help, I'm falling into darkness, the walls are closing in arou... ah ahhh ahhhhhhhhhhhhh ahhhh ah a... oh, perhaps that isn't it after all. Hmph.
Chap. Some mushys are just toooooo dangerous, k?
mashman
30th May 2011, 21:11
Chap. Some mushys are just toooooo dangerous, k?
nope, sok, just wind again.
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