Osama is dead

[Banditbandit]

Isn't is strange how the govt is now falling for the same tactics that they used with great success against the Tangata Whenua a couple of hundred years ago?

What are the chances of getting the Crafar farms, or the converted forestry farms back off the chinese in a treaty settlement in the distant future?

Yes. The comparisions betwen the reactions to the sale of land 200 years ago and today are very very evident - and the people who belong here react in identical ways ...

Pity the right can't see it.

[trustme]

I agree. Now that we have sold the asests we had which could have been used to either save money or make money what the hell do we do?

Do you really think that if we find oil of the East Coast that the Government will keep it for us? Hell no - they'll sell it oerseas as quickly as they can in an effort to get money - a very short-sighted pathway.

Should I or shouldn't I , Hmmmmmmm

Ah fuck it, lets chuck the cat another canary

When your broke it is invariably short term fixes that you look for, human nature I guess. We worry about where todays meal is coming from , let next week take care of it's self.
Govt spending to create growth is a crock , Muldoon tried it, net result Rogernomics. The Clark govt grew govt spending from 29 to 39% of GDP while stifling growth with taxes & lovely social nice to haves that are proving to be unsustainable when the inevitable down turn came, not much long term planning there.
Nats could have headed us more towards a commodity based economy [ not necessarily the answer ] but got scared when they realised snails are more important than people.

Long term planning , oh yeah , I'm all for it,. The joy of democracy is it that no one can agree on the plan

Maybe we need an OBL :blink::blink::blink::blink:

[mashman]

This is getting way too serious .. just got this in .. the latest pictures of Osama Bin Laden's headstone

http://ianstuart.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/7/4807875/2002899.jpg

:rofl:, some can't handle the jandle.

[mashman]

That's shuffling deck chairs, still spending ,still going broke.
I really want some govt to come up with a coherent growth policy, then there will be more jobs to go around. There is no easy fix to growth. National has done 5/8's of FA to address the problem. Labour in 9 years did absolutely nothing to grow the business of NZ inc, we went backwards in terms of OECD countries

:rofl: :crybaby: :killingme... why do "you people" :shifty: always insist on growth being the answer :facepalm:... are you so precious? Would you die for that ideal? Here's an alternative for ya precious (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/137817-2011-Budget?p=1130059147#post1130059147)

[BoristheBiter]

:rofl: :crybaby: :killingme... why do "you people" :shifty: always insist on growth being the answer :facepalm:... are you so precious? Would you die for that ideal? Here's an alternative for ya precious (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/137817-2011-Budget?p=1130059147#post1130059147)

NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Not that again.

Where's the beers.

[trustme]

:rofl: :crybaby: :killingme... why do "you people" :shifty: always insist on growth being the answer :facepalm:... are you so precious? Would you die for that ideal? Here's an alternative for ya precious (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/137817-2011-Budget?p=1130059147#post1130059147)

Answered in that thread

[Banditbandit]

Should I or shouldn't I , Hmmmmmmm

Ah fuck it, lets chuck the cat another canary

When your broke it is invariably short term fixes that you look for, human nature I guess. We worry about where todays meal is coming from , let next week take care of it's self.
Govt spending to create growth is a crock , Muldoon tried it, net result Rogernomics. The Clark govt grew govt spending from 29 to 39% of GDP while stifling growth with taxes & lovely social nice to haves that are proving to be unsustainable when the inevitable down turn came, not much long term planning there.
Nats could have headed us more towards a commodity based economy [ not necessarily the answer ] but got scared when they realised snails are more important than people.

Long term planning , oh yeah , I'm all for it,. The joy of democracy is it that no one can agree on the plan

Maybe we need an OBL :blink::blink::blink::blink:

O would definitely NOT advocate an OBL for GOdzone ... but you're right - the problem for our democracy is overcoming the three-year election cycle and starting to plan long term ... NO Government looks any further really than the next election and getting relected ...

[trustme]

A 3 year election cycle & mmp will stop any long term planning.

[Smifffy]

He's not the only one! :shit:

http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html

:blink: :corn:

[MIXONE]

do you really believe that spin? How about retiring some of the older people and opening up for the next generation? Move from unemployment and crime into employment.

Hate to burst your bubble on that one but the gumint have a plan to keep older workers working "so the skill base isn't lost".

[mashman]

Hate to burst your bubble on that one but the gumint have a plan to keep older workers working "so the skill base isn't lost".

:rofl: Hate to burst your bubble on that one, but the govt have a plan to keep older workers working because pension funds around the globe are struggling to keep up with the quantity of those making it to pensionable age. Anything else is just spin :)

[carbonhed]

Pat Condell. The voice of reason.


JzD-rnmeiH8

Damn! This guy's an absolute hoot. I've never heard of him before is he widely known?

[MIXONE]

:rofl: Hate to burst your bubble on that one, but the govt have a plan to keep older workers working because pension funds around the globe are struggling to keep up with the quantity of those making it to pensionable age. Anything else is just spin :)

Sorry my "..." was probably too subtle.That is the spin docotors words.

[Camshaft]

he's not actualy dead.

[mashman]

Sorry my "..." was probably too subtle.That is the spin docotors words.

fuck it... I do apologise :facepalm:

[ellipsis]

he's not actualy dead.

....there were a lot of towels and sheets that went missing from Dunedin clotheslines this morning...he could be down that way...

[jazfender]

....there were a lot of towels and sheets that went missing from Dunedin clotheslines this morning...he could be down that way...

ziiiingahhhh

[Paul in NZ]

Gawd - course its not him - his missing son has enrolled at Uni down there to get some really hardcore terrorist training... I see burning couches raining down on NYC

[Swoop]

12 May, 2011: The Taliban are spinning their recent "Spring Offensive" defeats as victories, because they demonstrated that the Taliban was still around, and still able to attack and be defeated, as it has done so often in the past. For the last month or so, the Taliban have been promising a major "Spring Offensive," to begin on May 1st. Since Osama bin Laden was killed by the Americans on May 2nd, the Taliban reflagged their Spring Offensive as the Bin Laden Revenge Offensive. Different name, same result. All the attacks failed, and most of the dead were Taliban. That wasn't the only embarrassment. Taliban dying for al Qaeda does not go down well with many Taliban. Al Qaeda is seen as a bunch of arrogant foreigners who look down on all Afghans. This attitude is not appreciated by Afghans, and has led to the deaths of hundreds of al Qaeda members (at the hands of their Taliban allies) over the last five years. But for appearance sake, the two terrorist groups still go through the motions of being the best of friends.
While the foreign troops are in Afghanistan to deal with international terrorism and the heroin (90 percent of the world’s supply comes from Afghanistan), most Afghans see all this foreign intervention as a splendid opportunity. It's as if Afghans were saying to foreign troops, "to you it's a war, to me it's an opportunity." This is an ancient Afghan attitude. Afghanistan may appear to be at the corner of no and where, but it is actually astride the primary invasion route from Central Asia to India (including Pakistan which is still, historically and culturally, part of India). The Afghans have long since learned to step aside as the foreign invaders move through. Actually, many Afghans would join the invaders, so much so that these invasions, and the loot and stories the survivors brought back, have become a major part of the Afghan collective memory. Most Westerners have not got a clue about this cultural tradition, and how much it influences the behavior of most Afghans. Such culture shock is not unusual, but because of the greater isolation of Afghanistan from the rest of the world, there is more of it.
Part of the culture shock is the realization that Afghanistan is not a country, at least not in the Western sense of the world. In Western terms, Afghanistan is a feudal monarchy. That means that the "king" (president Karzai) serves, and survives, at the sufferance of the local barons (warlords, drug gang leaders, provincial governors, tribal leaders). Until the last few centuries, this was how things worked in the West. But in many parts of the world, and especially in Afghanistan, the medieval mind, and form of government, is alive and well.
While many residents of Kabul (the capital and largest city) would like a modern (efficient and much less corrupt) Western style government, the "rural aristocracy" (corrupt local leaders) have no interest in this kind of central control. Thus the rural leaders do whatever they can to prevent the creation of efficient national army or police force. Local leaders will attempt, often successfully, to corrupt the military and police units in their neighbourhood. National level politicians also like to "own" army or police units, and if they can't do that, they will try to steal money meant for the security forces. So NATO commanders have come to evaluate the effectiveness of Afghan police and army units based on the honesty of the commander, and his ability to deal with all those officials who want to buy him off. There are not many Afghan unit commanders who make the grade. To do so means you must behave in a decidedly unconventional manner.
The May 2nd American raid into Pakistan, to kill Osama bin Laden, has led the Afghan government to imply that the same fate awaits the most senior Taliban leaders, who have been hiding out in Pakistan for a decade. Most are in Baluchistan (southwest Pakistan), an area that Pakistan will not even allow American UAVs to operate. But U.S. intel efforts have located where the Taliban are in this area (just across the province from Kandahar and Helmand provinces (the homeland of the Taliban, and source of 80 percent of the world's heroin.) The U.S. has not threatened (to Pakistan) launching such raids.

11 May, 2011: Security forces arrested fourteen terrorists in the last week, and foiled several terror attacks. The Islamic terrorists are apparently making an extra effort to launch attacks to honor their recently (May 2nd) killed (by American commandoes) hero (Osama bin Laden.)
10 May, 2011: In northern Afghanistan, about a hundred Taliban on motorcycles rode towards a village (Abduraman) after dark and attacked. The village had recently agreed to join the government ALP (Afghan Local Police) program, and the Taliban raid was meant to discourage such unfriendly (to the Taliban, and local bandits) behaviour. When a village joins ALP, several men in the village are selected to receive weapons, equipment (radio and such) and training. These men became part time cops, as they are now equipped to better deal with Taliban coercion (usually just extortion) and attacks by bandits (a common rural problem). The ALP men are also trained to quickly call in outside help (local soldiers or police, as well as foreigner air support or troops). The Taliban do not like the ALP, and have learned to discourage villagers from joining. But like many villagers, many of those in Abduraman already had weapons, and were ready for the raid, which led to a two hour gun battle, and 17 dead Taliban. One villager was also killed. The villagers were able to call for reinforcements, which arrived and caused most of the casualties (which included the local Taliban leader).
Cell phones are often the way villagers call for help, which is why, once the Taliban have enough control in an area, they force the cell phone companies to turn off service at night. This only works in parts of southern Afghanistan, where the Taliban are really strong. Getting cell phone service turned off completely has proved impossible, as the phones are enormously popular with all Afghans (including most Taliban). But because the cell phones allow anyone to report Taliban activity, the Islamic terrorists want it shut down. The Taliban still have a few satellite phones, and lots of walkie talkies, to handle their communications needs.
In north eastern Afghanistan (Nuristan), several hundred Taliban crossed over from Pakistan and attacked several border posts. Local police quickly gathered reinforcements and drove the enemy back into Pakistan after three hours of fighting. Most of the shooting was inaccurate, and there were fewer than twenty casualties on both sides. The Taliban attack was apparently another effort to avenge the recent death of Osama bin Laden. In the southeast, members of the Haqqani network (based in Waziristan in Pakistan) came over and tried to launch some attacks. This did not end well for the invaders.

7 May, 2011: In the south western city Kandahar, over a hundred Taliban launched several attacks to avenge the recently deceased Osama bin Laden. For 27 hours, Taliban and security forces fought. Then the surviving Taliban fled. There were about 60 casualties (Taliban, security forces and civilians). The Taliban sent some suicide bombers into government buildings. Some two dozen Taliban were killed during this part of the operation.

6 May, 2011: Police arrested five children, all under age 13, who had been sent into Afghanistan to serve as suicide bombers. The kids were Afghan, but had been sent to study at Islamic schools in Pakistan. These schools are often used to indoctrinate their young students to be suicide bombers.
In eastern Afghanistan, police killed ten members of the Haqqani terrorist network (based in Waziristan in Pakistan), who had crossed over from Pakistan to help their Taliban allies.

4 May, 2011: Afghans are out in the streets, protesting peace negotiations with the Taliban. While these discussions have resulted in some pro-Taliban tribes switching sides. But many of the individual Taliban said they switched, but hadn't. Especially annoying were the Taliban who got out of jail by saying they had switched. Lots of these guys went back to their outlaw ways, and a growing number of Afghan victims of these outlaws are tired of it.

[Banditbandit]

A 3 year election cycle & mmp will stop any long term planning.

There was little forward planning before we had mmp - it's not the voting system but the election cycle that's the problem ....