Ticket for "L" plate riders

[MagicMarker]

AFter returning from a ride today I came back with a $400 ticket for not having an "L" plate! Cops these days are now doing random checks on motor vehicles. Unluckily enough I got caught, and due to my stupidity :weird: aswell.. Just some information that no "L" plate = $400. Probably still not gonna put back on my "L" plate... or should I? Hopefully this won't happen again. :no: Now it's time to get a job.

[SuperDave]

Snapped man, unlucky though as I only had my L plate on for a short time whilst on my learners and never got caught. Dude on the black bandit at school is still on his learners and hasn't been ticketed for it either.

[Keystone19]

Just some information that no "L" plate = $400.

35 or 40 demerits too i believe...

[John]

do the crime pay the fine. sadly.

[FEINT]

It is an unfortunate event. The cops actually were after me (don't know why)... Magicmarker was with me and so happen that it was wrong place wrong time. They stopped both of us and Magicmarker got a ticket for No "L". I still don't understand why they pulled us over. Filling their "quota" i guess. Don't they have better things to do? eg, catch thieves? speedsters?

Pfft.... :mad:

maybe consider riding with the L..... ...

[MagicMarker]

35 or 40 demerits too i believe...

Don't think he took any demerit points, just gave me the ticket for $400 had nothing in the demerit part. The cop was a real dick aswell! Hopefully none was taken.

[bugjuice]

they were following me earlier on the way home.
Something a foot me thinks.. but what?

--- all cops, skip this bit and advert your eyes ---

Sux dude. I used to ride without an L plate on, but I kept mine in the boot, and it had two holes that had been ripped out. When I got stopped, I just said that I had it on, but it had been ripped off by accident and I would put it back on when I got home. The fact I had it with me was a key thing, I think..

--- ok cops, you can look again now ---

[poorbastard]

buga id have a look cos ur suposed to get demerits as well I know you do with your car. Thats unluk i rode around for a year neva used mine untill the day I sat my restricted. Buga the 70kmh rule.

[N4CR]

It's 25 demerits for any Learner liscence breach (Passengers/Over 70kmh/After 10:00pm/Before 5:00 am/Over 250cc etc etc)

And $400 each unfortunately.

I got done for two in one ticket... 70> and no L plate ;D

[MagicMarker]

It's 25 demerits for any Learner liscence breach (Passengers/Over 70kmh/After 10:00pm/Before 5:00 am/Over 250cc etc etc)

And $400 each unfortunately.

I got done for two in one ticket... 70> and no L plate ;D

Ouch, that's pretty bad.. Did you ride with an "L" plate afte rthat? One thing is for sure, the next time they pull over a fellow biker, "L" plate riders.. DON'T STOP! (unless they come chasing after you)

[Waylander]

I'de have to say that the learner plate thing is one of the more ridiculas rules I've come across here. There are enough vindictive peaple out there that when they see one they will do something to screw with the rider/driver.

What exactly is the official reason for having that thing on anyway?

[poorbastard]

I have no idea why they have the speed restriction I actually think it is more dangerous on the road doing 70k then 100.

[N4CR]

Ouch, that's pretty bad.. Did you ride with an "L" plate afte rthat?

Yeah I do... don't go on 100k roads much either (3 times in 4 months :oi-grr: sorta knocked my confidence a little). I got used to the whole 'lets tailgate him' thing now I just slow down and then accel hard or weave side to side really hard so they get the message :nono:

I got 50 demerits in total as they take the highest demerit offence, not all added up.. it was 90c soft serve in a 50c upgrade zone, No L and 70>... = 50+25+25.
And $1300 :mad:

Adding up to 100 demerits, but it is only 50.


There are enough vindictive peaple out there that when they see one they will do something to screw with the rider/driver.

Worst one is when they try to over/undertake you in one lane when you are already doing 55-59 :/

[bugjuice]

is it just me that thinks something is going on then?

[FEINT]

Yeah I do... don't go on 100k roads much either (3 times in 4 months :oi-grr: sorta knocked my confidence a little). I got used to the whole 'lets tailgate him' thing now I just slow down and then accel hard or weave side to side really hard so they get the message :nono:

I got 50 demerits in total as they take the highest demerit offence, not all added up.. it was 90c soft serve in a 50c upgrade zone, No L and 70>... = 50+25+25.
And $1300 :mad:

Adding up to 100 demerits, but it is only 50.



Worst one is when they try to over/undertake you in one lane when you are already doing 55-59 :/

Can they really book you for Over 70 (breach of learner conditions) and speeding as two different offences? Shit, $1300 is alot for such an offence. You probably only get a $1000.00 fine for speeding at 150km/hr......

[N4CR]

Can they really book you for Over 70 (breach of learner conditions) and speeding as two different offences? Shit, $1300 is alot for such an offence. You probably only get a $1000.00 fine for speeding at 150km/hr......

Depends on how noob/arseholish they are feeling :no: They can but most decent cops consider it 'double dipping' eg you get done for speeding twice :nono:

[lukehyslop]

I remember when I sat my restricted test I completly forgot about the 70km rule (cos I'd never believed in it anyway) and sat on 100km for about 5 kays of open road. Fortunately the testing officer had similar thoughts about the rule and still passed me.

[Ixion]

The thing you must remember is that the learner restrictions have little if anything to do with safety. There is a powerful body of opinion within the bureaucratic circles of Government that just wants to get rid of motorcycles. Permanently. Completely.

They don't have enough clout to do that quite yet. But anything they *can* do to make motorcycling less accessable, less easy, more expensive, and generally to deter anyone taking it up; that they will do.

Their hope is that if they can deter youngsters entering , then as old farts like me die off, the numbers of people actually motorcycling will shrink to the point where they are an insignificnat minority. And then motorcycling can be banned. For safety reasons of course.

Very very few of the road laws and restrictions have much to do with safety. And interestingly, those that do , such as failing to stop at red lights, or driving on the wrong side of the road, are the ones ignored by the police, or accorded only nominal penalties by the law..

$150 for going over the centre line . $400 for failing to display an L sticker. You tell me which is more dangerous.

[Monsterbishi]

I got pinged once for not having a current rego, I didn't have a L plate on at the time and the officer didn't bother writing it up purely because he couldn't fathom how it warranted a $200 ticket(at the time)

Annoying thing was back then, the L plates were made of a crappy brittle plastic, broke after about 5 minutes of riding...

[bugjuice]

The thing you must remember is that the learner restrictions have little if anything to do with safety. There is a powerful body of opinion within the bureaucratic circles of Government that just wants to get rid of motorcycles. Permanently. Completely.

They don't have enough clout to do that quite yet. But anything they *can* do to make motorcycling less accessable, less easy, more expensive, and generally to deter anyone taking it up; that they will do.

Their hope is that if they can deter youngsters entering , then as old farts like me die off, the numbers of people actually motorcycling will shrink to the point where they are an insignificnat minority. And then motorcycling can be banned. For safety reasons of course.

Very very few of the road laws and restrictions have much to do with safety. And interestingly, those that do , such as failing to stop at red lights, or driving on the wrong side of the road, are the ones ignored by the police, or accorded only nominal penalties by the law..

$150 for going over the centre line . $400 for failing to display an L sticker. You tell me which is more dangerous.
there's no way in hell they could ban bikes in a country.. Doesn't matter who in parliment thinks what. It is a serious fukover that they do make things a bit harder for us instead of working for us, but the joy of riding makes it better. Before they even finish muttering the word 'ban' there'd be protests etc..

If just one person in parliment ever got their frikken leg over, or even tried riding a bike for that matter, I bet the roads would be a different place

[vifferman]

$150 for going over the centre line . $400 for failing to display an L sticker. You tell me which is more dangerous.
Having an L plate on your vehicle is more dangerous - it makes motorists go nuts trying to get past you. That, and the 70 km/h restriction make riding much more dangerous for learner riders.

[MacD]

Their hope is that if they can deter youngsters entering , then as old farts like me die off, the numbers of people actually motorcycling will shrink to the point where they are an insignificnat minority. And then motorcycling can be banned. For safety reasons of course.


The only positive outcome of the congestion in Auckland and the increase in petrol prices is that the number of new motorcyclists seems to be increasing again. There's been a distinct increase in the number of motorcycles around the Auckland University/AUT area in the past few years. Hopefully more bikes on the road means more awareness of motorcycles in general.

[Kjell]

Have noticed a lot of cops around this last week. Generally I keep to the speed limit and stay away from aggresive cages. On a two lane uphill strech a few cars have got pulled over. Prob over quota now.

With my L Plate, got the sticker kind and placed on the rear fender beside the lights, was visable from the back, just. Only place I could attach on the back of the bike. Considering I was riding at night (midnight) sometimes going home from work, cops really didn't notice. (I did have an exemption for hours outside licence for this by the way).

Thought I was going to get a ticket yesterday, came into a sideroad after getting the rear tyre to move a bit, bit greasy on the corner, came through, power to correct and resume, hit second and throttled off for the speed bump. Over bumps and off, prob had front tyre off on exit, then no hander to readjust gloves so rain didn't get in.

About 70m from the speed bump in a dark blue car under a tree, was a cop with the radar gun. He didn't even acknowledge my presence, so mustn't be too worried about my antics, however he won't catch too many boy racers down the road due to the speed bumps, not sure what he was doing there.

[spudchucka]

Just some information that no "L" plate = $400.

35 or 40 demerits too i believe...
Its 25 demerits for licence offences. You only need four of them and you get to give you licence back to LTSA for three months.

[bear]

Would not displaying an L plate where required to, therefore in breach of your licence conditions, affect insurance validity?

I agree that the 70km/h restriction in a 100km/h zone is dangerous to you and the other motorists, do you think that the restriction is supposed to encourage those riders with provisional licences to keep to 70km/h zones and below?

[monkey99]

:weird: Just to add to the fire..I had a speeding ticket on my learners for going 152km/h without an L plate...this was quite a few years ago(6)..but the Sergeant just took my license... :yes: and no court appearance ticket was about $900 :devil2: I think he felt a little pity as I was screaming off to my G'mas funeral in Gisborne... :whocares: That and a truck had just about cleaned him out with wash as he was talking to me...just before River Road...dumbest thing was I was following another car and had just pulled to the left lane to let a daggy Van scream thru ...Some just have personal agendas :oi-grr: it is an unknown quantity so follow the rules close to cities where the likley hood is more Frustrated cops are hanging out :Punk:

[Bonez]

Anyone on an L plated bike with a full m/c licence been pulled over?

[Lou Girardin]

L plates and speed restrictions date back to the days when people would be extra considerate with learners and the speed limit was 80 km/h.
Now the L plate may as well be a bullseye and the LTNZ hasn't realised that the open road limit has gone up to 100. :tugger: :tugger: :tugger:

[FEINT]

I agree that the 70km/h restriction in a 100km/h zone is dangerous to you and the other motorists, do you think that the restriction is supposed to encourage those riders with provisional licences to keep to 70km/h zones and below?

If that was the case, most of the learners on the North Shore of Auckland couldn't go to Auckland City as the only route is the motorway and over the bridge.

[Eurygnomes]

Seems there may be a few L-plates hanging around in peoples gargres' on here. Anyone got one in Welly that I could attach to my shiny GN250 (ARRIVES TOMORROW!!!) for a wee while (till I do my CBTA thingy)? I'll pay postage...and can pass on to hte next L-plate rider who will wear one.

I'll wear one, and I'm considering sticking to the back roads. By the way, I liked the 'put it in my boot cos it was damaged' story. Very nice. Like me turning up to a lecture where hte lecturer was H. O. T. and saying "I was just checking out the course to see if I'd take it next year!". ;)

[Beemer]

That's a pretty steep fine for what I'd call a minor infringement - you get less than that for not wearing a seat belt and you know how dangerous that can be! They never had those huge yellow L plates when I was learning to ride, I was given a white plastic rectangle about 10cm x 6cm with a red L on it. I had it screwed to the numberplate so I could swing it up underneath it when I wanted! I found it was like a challenge to drivers - let's see how close up the rear end we can get to this rider and see if we can make them fall off!

And the 70kph rule is one of the most ridiculous I have ever come across. The first ride I went on with some friends was along the Hutt motorway and if I'd travelled at 70 I would have been history pretty quickly. Most drivers are unaware of the rule and I lost count of the times I was nearly tailgated by some ignorant moron waving his fist who would then pull in front of me like it was MY fault! I lived in Lower Hutt and couldn't have gone anywhere without entering a 100kph zone, so how boring would that have been!

I had to remember to travel at 70kph for my full licence test, but I certainly felt a lot safer once I decided to increase my speed to 100kph. Are car drivers on a learner's or restricted licence limited to 70kph too? (Got my licence back in 1984 so a bit different then!)

Bummer about the fine, but if I were you I'd put the L plate on until you don't need it any more because it's highly likely this cop will keep an eye out for you in the future and he's not likely to be very sympathetic if he catches you again.

[MagicMarker]

Are car drivers on a learner's or restricted licence limited to 70kph too?.

Nope car driver's on a learner's don't have a speed restriction (i would know, cos i'm on a car learners too :() The speed restriction is really stupid aswell, luckily I wasn't speeding, and don't think I'll be riding much motorway anymore either. $400 is really steep, people get cheaper fines for speeding, and not having an "L" plate isn't that dangerous aswell. Really silly laws!

[Jeremy]

If that was the case, most of the learners on the North Shore of Auckland couldn't go to Auckland City as the only route is the motorway and over the bridge.

The motorway at that point is 80km/h max though. And there is a way around to memory it just takes forever.

[Fart]

You should have ripped up the ticket in front of the cop. He cant arrest you for that. You gonna pay the fine anyway, so might as well pis him off and get your satisfaction.

[Ms Piggy]

AFter returning from a ride today I came back with a $400 ticket for not having an "L" plate! Cops these days are now doing random checks on motor vehicles. Unluckily enough I got caught, and due to my stupidity :weird: aswell.. Just some information that no "L" plate = $400. Probably still not gonna put back on my "L" plate... or should I? Hopefully this won't happen again. :no: Now it's time to get a job.
But I thought you said it had blown off when you were riding - I was sure you had it on when you left home! :yes: ;)

A certain enforcer of law and order around these parts passed a comment to me, when I was visiting down them there parts in the South end of this country, that it would pay to keep a few scraps of wire around abouts your plate so that it kinda looks like your L plate may have in fact just blown off.

[Beemer]

[QUOTE=Celtic_Sea_lily]But I thought you said it had blown off when you were riding - I was sure you had it on when you left home! :yes: ;)QUOTE]

My husband said the same thing - he said you should have walked around to the back of the bike and said "but it was there when I left home!" They can't prove you never had one there - but it helps to have a few holes that look like they could have had one attached there!

I can understand being given a warning and having to front up to the police station to prove you have attached one, but $400 is ridiculous. If they say speed kills and speedsters should be penalised, why did I only get fined $170 for speeding? (Not that I want my fine increased thank you!) Surely if speeding is more dangerous, the fine for not having an L plate should only be $50 and no demerit points.

In the olden days L plates were there so other drivers were aware you were a learner and could give you some room and show a bit of courtesy. Now they are like a red rag to a bull so why should we use them?

[pyrocam]

only another 15days and I can stop worrying about no L plate on my bike. another KB'er I know has a small L plate on their bike and does highway speeds. I guess its 50/50 as to which you think your going to be pulled over on.


I suppose I should put it back on for the last 2 weeks. otherwise im just tempting fate. im pretty unlucky. I do keep it in my backpack (which I always carry when riding) with one corner ripped off.

[Biff]

Fine for $400 for not putting an L plate on your bike, and you're still going to ride around without one? If you've got money to waste throw some this way please mate.

[pyrocam]

Fine for $400 for not putting an L plate on your bike, and you're still going to ride around without one? If you've got money to waste throw some this way please mate.
but its only the last 2 weeks from the last 5 months of riding l-plate-less. I get the feeling i might be tempting fate too much.

on the other hand. me and another biker I was following lane splitted straight past a coppa car on the way home yesterday, proberly about 40k's I get the feeling I would have been stopped had I had my L's on.

[scumdog]

Bottom line is kiddies: YOU knew what the rules were when YOU signed up for your licence, the law doesn't care what YOU think of it's rules.

YOU get pulled over and breaking the laws? Face what YOU get and thank your lucky stars if YOU get away with anything.

Down here I notice those with 'L' plates get more room given to them and a bit more courtesy shown to them.

Having said the above I can't recall giving anybody a ticket for no 'L' plate.

Have for a 'L' driver driving around with a heap of teenage drunken mates, it's not like they can say "I didn't realise I had them with me" as when somebody is speeding and says "I didn't realise I was speeding"

[geoffm]

$150 for going over the centre line . $400 for failing to display an L sticker. You tell me which is more dangerous.
And $75 (IIRC - it mauy have gone up) for running a red light. Now don't tell me that red light running is safe! been damn near taken out to many times in Auckland already
Geoff

[Coyote]

Can't wait to ditch the bloody thing

[loosebruce]

Hard luck on the fine M/maker, dems the brakes though, i got pulled i longtime ago, shat myself as i just had the 250 tapped out for quite a period until i caught up on some traffic indicated moved across and whoa mufti pulling me up, one of my indicator bulbs had gone which is why he pulled me (whew) he also mentioned that it's a $400 fine for no L plate, i assured him i'd be getting one the next day and fixing the indicator, real good guy, let me off.

Really the "L" plate aint that bad a thing to have, and when you consider how many "L" plates you can buy for $400, makes sense really. I'm not going to think any less of a rider cause he/she has "L" plates.

[scumdog]

You should have ripped up the ticket in front of the cop. He cant arrest you for that. You gonna pay the fine anyway, so might as well pis him off and get your satisfaction.

How old are you???? Do you REALLY think doing that would piss a cop off?

Have had it happen to me twice now and nearly had a riot on my hands when I burst out laughing when the dude went into a rage and tried to impress? me by tearing up his ticket and acting like a nong, couldn't help it, he looked so funny!!!!

(you'ld know if it did piss him of when you got the ticket for littering too!!!)

[MagicMarker]

i've slapped on my "L" plate now, i don't even know if i should still ride motorways. I'm only a teenager and i needed to show my mother the fine :rofl: so, no ripping up tickets hehehe. 4 more months with the darn thing and then it's gone forever! :yes: Think i'd ride without the "L" plate for weekend cruises, or should i leave it on?

[Squiggles]

i left mine on the entire time i was on my learners, seemed bloody dangerous though, alot of tailgaters and stuff...made me want to remove it.
the fines seem a bit messed when you go and get a massive one for not having an l plate but a small one for straying into oncoming traffic :no: , which is more likely to get someone else hurt? :oi-grr: the bike licensing system needs to be looked at if ya ask me, but some will surely disagree :yes:

[BABY R]

Keep it on for a few more months magic marker! Once you get your restricted, you don't have to worry anymore.!!!

[anmolt]

Don't think he took any demerit points, just gave me the ticket for $400 had nothing in the demerit part. The cop was a real dick aswell! Hopefully none was taken.

im guessing demeit points are given for rash driving,etc..prob not for such things like not having an L plate or rego,WOF,etc...

[Phenoix]

The reason for the speed restriction I think was to keep inexperainced riders off the motorways as the minimum your allowed to drive on them is 80. IE scooters arent allowed on the motor ways. :motu:
But $400 for not dispalying them is crap.
People do stupid things no days to try and avoid you.

[Ixion]

The reason for the speed restriction I think was to keep inexperainced riders off the motorways as the minimum your allowed to drive on them is 80. IE scooters arent allowed on the motor ways. :motu:
But $400 for not dispalying them is crap.
People do stupid things no days to try and avoid you.

News to me. Mr Lou Giradin said the mini mum was 40 the other day. Got a source ref for that ? And scooter are definately permitted, mopeds are not

EDIT. Only legislation I can find allows the director to set minimum limits FOR SPECIFIED *LANES*.

Road Traffic Rule - setting of speed Limits 2003


6.2 Minimum speed limits

6.2(1) The Director may, by notice in the Gazette and subject to any specified conditions that the Director considers appropriate, approve a minimum speed limit for a specified lane on a road, if that speed limit is safe and appropriate for:

* (a) the numbers and types of road users, including cyclists and pedestrians, that use the road; and
* (b) the number of lanes on the road; and
* (c) the condition or class of the road; and
* (d) the use to which the road is put; and
* (e) any other matter relevant to public safety.

6.2(2) A road controlling authority that is empowered by an enactment to make bylaws:

* (a) may set a minimum speed limit; and
* (b) must, when setting a minimum speed limit, do so in accordance with section 7 and with any conditions specified by the Director by notice in the Gazette.

6.2(3) The Director may, by notice in the Gazette, remove a minimum speed limit.



any police persons able to confirm the 40kph or 80kph minimum speed ?

[Jackrat]

Anyone on an L plated bike with a full m/c licence been pulled over?

Yeah,years ago in Hamilton I was giving one of my brothers a ride back to AK.
He didn't have his full licence an I did so I rode the bike,AS YOU BLOODY WOULD.The cop didn't ticket me but I got a big lecture that was total BS.
One of the few times I've ridden away thinking "what a bloody wanker"
Being pulled over I had no issue with,the line of crap he came out with was just bull.

[chickenfunkstar]

Its 40kph.
I saw it on TV so it must be true.

The part of the motorway between the city and the bridge has a variable speed limit, which i've seen below 80kph.

EDIT: Auckland city, not Helensville city.

[raster]

I always Thort on motorways, If you are obstructing or holding up traffic you are either in the wrong lane or going too slow, which is an offence.

Not that you'd beleive it when you see these arsholes who hog the right lane. :weird:

[raster]

The reason for the speed restriction I think was to keep inexperainced riders off the motorways as the minimum your allowed to drive on them is 80. IE scooters arent allowed on the motor ways. :motu:
.

Maybe Scumdog may have a slant on this. I've had an argument with someone else on this subject.

[Ixion]

I always Thort on motorways, If you are obstructing or holding up traffic you are either in the wrong lane or going too slow, which is an offence.

Not that you'd beleive it when you see these arsholes who hog the right lane. :weird:

Yes, that is definately so. In theory at least (and I believe it has, rarely, happened in practice) you can get a ticket for unreasonably impeding other traffic. But that is for impeding, or inconsiderate driving, not specificially for un-exceeding (yes Mr Hitcher, I know there is no such word, but how else do I put it) a minimum speed limit.

But I don't think there is a speed at which you get a ticket simply for going too slow. i.e. , suppose there is no other traffic at all, to be held up, and I go along the motorway at 30kph. Can I get a ticket for going too slow - not holding anyone up, just going too slow (assuming that it would be practcial to go faster - hah, obviously not an Auckland motorway)

[raster]

My Wife got pulled up for impeding traffic after coming on from west to southern(comes in on right hand lane), took too long to pull over to left lane. Just got a warning though, must have been the dress she was wearing at the time.

[scumdog]

Maybe Scumdog may have a slant on this. I've had an argument with someone else on this subject.

Sorry squire, can't help (no motorways where I work!) at the moment but will try to find out when I'm back at work.

[raster]

Sorry squire, can't help (no motorways where I work!) at the moment but will try to find out when I'm back at work.

Wondered that, but thort you might be able to help out.

I guess there are some good cops out there.

[inlinefour]

I used to have one of those L plates on the back of my XR as a teenager. Used to snap it on a very regular basis and onle have the plastic portion on the number plate. I was allways just told to get a new one. I guess things just have changed and the coppers are really money hungrey. :devil2:

[Lou Girardin]

Yes, that is definately so. In theory at least (and I believe it has, rarely, happened in practice) you can get a ticket for unreasonably impeding other traffic. But that is for impeding, or inconsiderate driving, not specificially for un-exceeding (yes Mr Hitcher, I know there is no such word, but how else do I put it) a minimum speed limit.

But I don't think there is a speed at which you get a ticket simply for going too slow. i.e. , suppose there is no other traffic at all, to be held up, and I go along the motorway at 30kph. Can I get a ticket for going too slow - not holding anyone up, just going too slow (assuming that it would be practcial to go faster - hah, obviously not an Auckland motorway)

Yes Mr Ixion you can. A MOT colleague booked a tractor for NOT exceeding 40 km/h on the South M/Way. It wasn't for inconsiderate driving and the charge stuck. I vaguely recall it was defended.
It may be that the minimum has been rescinded, but I doubt it.
While I was driver testing I know of people being failed for driving too slow on motorways.

[Ixion]

Yes Mr Ixion you can. A MOT colleague booked a tractor for NOT exceeding 40 km/h on the South M/Way. It wasn't for inconsiderate driving and the charge stuck. I vaguely recall it was defended.
It may be that the minimum has been rescinded, but I doubt it.
While I was driver testing I know of people being failed for driving too slow on motorways.

I didn't think tractors were allowed on motorways at all? I've certainly heard of people failing driving tests for driving too slow, but I think that is because the tester thinks it indicates a lack of confidence and inability to adapt to the traffic flow.

I'm trying to find the legislation that implements such limits. There is certainly legislation ALLOWING them, but they have to be Gazetted in each case , and I can't find any mention of any being done. And the legislation I've seen says that the minimum must be signposted (which would seem to make sense, hardly fair to ping a driver for breaking a limit that isn't signed).

I have the vaguest faintest memory of seeing a sign indicating some sort of minimum speed somewhere around Cambridge many many many years ago.

Doesn't a figure of 40kph appear somewhere in the rules about mopeds ?

This is important to Nana's like me - if it is true I may have to increase my speed!

I suppose what I should do is ring Transit and ask them.

[raster]

No wonder we get into trouble :nono:
The Law is so effing complicated :mad:
Been through the road code, no mention of speed being any different on motorways. In the speed section you must not obstruct traffic.

[raster]

Just watch you don't run out of gas on Motorway, cause if you block a lane, it's obstruction through your own negle.. negli.. negla.. Fault.

[Lou Girardin]

No wonder we get into trouble :nono:
The Law is so effing complicated :mad:
Been through the road code, no mention of speed being any different on motorways. In the speed section you must not obstruct traffic.

That's because the Road Code is a guide, not a definitive record of all traffic legislation.

[Lou Girardin]

Just watch you don't run out of gas on Motorway, cause if you block a lane, it's obstruction through your own negle.. negli.. negla.. Fault.

That's true, they book them for careless if they run out. Bloody harsh. :thud:

[raster]

I ran out in my Subbie, coughed and died, THEN the fuel light decided to come on.

[250learna]

Just some information that no "L" plate = $400.

35 or 40 demerits too i believe...


damn I did the cbta course and am waiting for few more weeks before i can get my restricted, 35 demerits means the course goes down the drain... Ill keep the L on in the mean time thank you :yes:

I had my L on for bout 2 months now and i havent had any trouble from the cops when on motorway, but i have had few experiances where people where going right up my rare in the 5o and 70k zones, but im not sure that this is because of the L plate might be just coz they are inconsiderate idiots or clueless granies and would have done the same even if i didnt have the L plate on.

[Salival]

The whole thing doesn't really make any sense to me. There's no reason to ride with the L plate on other that for insurance purposes, because the chances of getting fined for doing some illegal but safe remain the same. Most of my riding is done on 100km/h roads, and in order to be safe I need to be doing 100ks. Problem is if you're wearing an L you'll get pinged, and if you're not the chances are you won't get pinged. I don't speed and I don't do anything dumb, I'm just trying to be safe.

Catch 22? I reckon.

The 10pm-5am rule doesn't make any sense if you've got your full car licence, either. The difference between 10pm and 1am? Bugger all. It's dark either way, and if you can drive during those hours why can't you ride?

The only part of the learner rules that makes sense are the cc limit and no passengers, IMHO.

[hondacmx450]

AFter returning from a ride today I came back with a $400 ticket for not having an "L" plate! Cops these days are now doing random checks on motor vehicles. Unluckily enough I got caught, and due to my stupidity :weird: aswell.. Just some information that no "L" plate = $400. Probably still not gonna put back on my "L" plate... or should I? Hopefully this won't happen again. :no: Now it's time to get a job.
if you r on a l = losser plate put it on man 2 dollars for the plate 400 dollars with out you do the math and if you dont have one on and thay pull you up dont stop out run them
oh you cant you r only a 250 ride heheheeh y get a job you got the bike now :motu: :drinkup: