Gear that saved my arse...

[skippa1]

Thought a quick reveiw of the gear that saved my arse on a 85kmh crash on realitively new seal might help someone. All else aside, I was very lucky that a car wasnt coming the other way, the gear wont protect you from sudden stops.
1) Helmet - Shoei XR1100. I hit the ground face first, my helmet took the full initial impact. It has a half dozen large scars down the side, the visor is completly rashed and torn from its fittings on one side. In short, it saved my noggin. A lesser helmet may have failed, I had mild delayed concussion but all else was fine.
2) Gloves - good quality hard knukle gloves. As my noggin was becoming aquainted with the ashphalt, my left knukles punched the ground and tore the leather covering off the knukles, down to the plastic. No doubt in my mind, that if I had my Alpinestars soft knukle gloves on, the outcome would have been some bark off.
3) Full 2 piece leathers with armour - these were a saviour. Wore through the knees to the armour on the pants, they were scratched around the elbows, shoulders, back, bum and thighs. As I slid down the road, I could feel the seal clawing at the leather and it felt tough and protective. Zips, buttons and stitching all held up, no failures.
4) Boots - A pair of Sidi Vertago Corsa's. Tore off the toe slider and side armour, held together apart from that.

Summary
I slid about 35-45m down the road, tumbled several times at the end. The gear saved me from rash and I believe the elbow, shoulder, knee, knukle, and thigh armour saved me from broken bones. I am very bruised, have a couple of big lumps on my arms, both big toes are black?????No rash at all. Bike is written off.
I am absolutley certain that good gear saved me from more damage. I never have ridden without some gear, but I will never ride again in Jeans, not even kevlar ones, or sandshoes. Even going to the gas station. Good gear will still not prevent major damage in a solid impact with a solid object.

Do yourself a favour......buy good gear.

[Gone Burger]

I'm going to agree on the helmet too. That is what I was wearing during my accident. Although I did get knocked unconscious, it worked a treat to take most of the shock from my bail, and protected my head from any impact wounds etc. Looking forward to having the same helmet again.

[Katman]

Do yourself a favour......buy good gear.

Do yourself a favour......ride within your capabilities.

[MSTRS]

It's a package deal...neglect any one part and the outcome may not be what you wanted. Or expected.

[skippa1]

cool, katspiss and his mistress just had to pop in:woohoo:. Hi guys, thanks for coming and sharing

[Griffin]

Do yourself a favour......ride within your capabilities.

Thats a bit of a lame response considering you dont know that he wasnt riding within his capabilities... The cause of his accident may have been influenced by any number of outside factors. Without this information you are being presumptious and obnoxious in your statement. No wonder you get such bad press on here.

[skippa1]

Thats a bit of a lame response considering you dont know that he wasnt riding within his capabilities... The cause of his accident may have been influenced by any number of outside factors. Without this information you are being presumptious and obnoxious in your statement. No wonder you get such bad press on here.

Im not too worried about them, katspiss and his mistress are thread spoilers that troll for contraversy....no lives. They shoukd get a bike and go for a ride....:shutup:

[Katman]

Thats a bit of a lame response considering you dont know that he wasnt riding within his capabilities... The cause of his accident may have been influenced by any number of outside factors. Without this information you are being presumptious and obnoxious in your statement. No wonder you get such bad press on here.

Yeah, "relatively new seal" is a dead cert for crashing on.

I mean, how on earth could you possibly not?

[Griffin]

Besides the scant description of Skippas accident in another thread... what actual info do you have to base you original statement about riding within his capabilities?

Have you been to the scene? Examined the road? New seal/Loose metal? Other foreign objects? Substances? Was there warning prior to the new seal? Have you checked his bike for possible defects that may have contributed?

Just because someone has an accident does not automatically mean that they are riding outside their capabilities... sometimes they are, sometimes they're not. Your blanket statement is a slur unless you have all the facts. Im sick of reading your holier than thou shit as if you are some kind of bike riding demi God.

And no... I dont know Skippa, I am not one of his mates jumping to his defence... I am just getting over reading threads and having to witness your continued hijacking of them for your own personal self gratification. If you think your so shit hot then build a shrine and self praise quietly in a corner.

[Katman]

Have you been to the scene? Examined the road? New seal/Loose metal? Other foreign objects? Substances? Was there warning prior to the new seal? Have you checked his bike for possible defects that may have contributed?



You're the classic two-wheeled ostrich.

[Griffin]

You're the classic two-wheeled ostrich.

Oh... ouch. Ok then, thanks for straightening me out. You are right, it was absolutely all down to his riding outside of his capabilities, no chance that anything else could have contributed. What was I thinking. :tugger:

[Virago]

cool, katspiss and his mistress just had to pop in:woohoo:. Hi guys, thanks for coming and sharing

As long as you keep trying to justify or explain your crash on the basis of "relatively new seal", you're always going to get a bite from the biters.

When you accept that you're 100% responsible for your own accident, you might get the support you seek. The road did not cause your accident - you did.

[MSTRS]

cool, katspiss and his mistress just had to pop in:woohoo:. Hi guys, thanks for coming and sharing
You're welcome. It was nice to see that you appreciate the need for good gear, were grateful that you were actually wearing it, and were prepared to put your hand up and say so.
Obviously I was foolish to expect anything but another insult for my showing some support for your message.

As for the other part of the equation...that can only be a hiding to nothing.
Perhaps you will listen to this guy.

As long as you keep trying to justify or explain your crash on the basis of "relatively new seal", you're always going to get a bite from the biters.

When you accept that you're 100% responsible for your own accident, you might get the support you seek. The road did not cause your accident - you did.

[Quasievil]

PFFT I remember when KB was a bikers site, now its a site full of PC wankers.
:yes:

[skippa1]

As long as you keep trying to justify or explain your crash on the basis of "relatively new seal", you're always going to get a bite from the biters.

When you accept that you're 100% responsible for your own accident, you might get the support you seek. The road did not cause your accident - you did.

Hi Virago, I didnt know you were part of katpisses cock sucking clan. I cant see anywhere that I stated it was the loose seal at fault. Just giving the conditions. For clarity it was fine, so it could have been the sun, it was dry, maybe dryness is the problem? Maybe I was thinking about you?........
Go and join kats piss and his mistress for a threesome. Spit roast of PC wankers(thanks Quasi)...

[Kickaha]

For clarity it was fine, so it could have been the sun, it was dry, maybe dryness is the problem? Maybe I was thinking about you?........

Single bike accident? maybe it was just incompetence on your part

[skippa1]

Single bike accident? maybe it was just incompetence on your part

Ive never said any different have I? What drives your burning desire to chip in?

[Virago]

Oh dear. A bit defensive, are we...? :innocent:

[Corse1]

Im not too worried about them, katspiss and his mistress are thread spoilers that troll for contraversy....no lives. They shoukd get a bike and go for a ride....:shutup:

Yeah Katman reminds me of the reason why we shouldn't publicise terrorist activities to give them a taste of the lime light.
He should get Kiwibiker wally of the year award and his membership withdrawn....oh shit did I just play into his hand again:blink:

[skippa1]

Oh dear. A bit defensive, are we...? :innocent:

Nah, you go for your life mate. The world needs more people knocking each other....

[superman]

Single bike accident? maybe it was just incompetence on your part

+1 :shutup:

[Kickaha]

Ive never said any different have I? What drives your burning desire to chip in?
Because I can, because it's a public forum, Because, because, because, because, because...
Because of the wonderful things he does

[caseye]

Skippa, I've no idea how you came to crash off your bike, could you explain what happened.
I am glad that your gear saved you from more serious injury and that you've taken the time to come here and tell other motorcyclists about how well it all did, I'm assuming in the spirit of caring and sharing and allowing that there are many out there who don't bother with adequate gear.
You'd not be here telling us anything if you'd been wearing jeans, a dress jacket and snow field gloves aye.
On you for taking the time.
Just one thing though, while Katmans message might not be something you're happy about, have you thought about what did happen and what if anything you could have done to prevent or at least limit what happened to you as a result.
I ask this because when you boil down what KM is saying, that's what he'd like you to tell us in all it's naked glory and without telling us about all the other factors that contributed.

[Ender EnZed]

PFFT I remember when KB was a bikers site, now its a site full of PC wankers.
:yes:

+1. I agree entirely.

Too many PC wankers concerned about the feelings and emotions of those involved instead of the actual riding.



:blink:

[Quasievil]

So says the KB whore.


And Fucking proud of it.

Im getting tired of you HAVING to voice your fucking opinions everytime someone mentions a crash, get over yourself we got your repetitive anal boring as FUCK message, sing a different tune FFS.
If a biker wants to talk about his crash and stuff for whatever reason try to keep out of it just for fucking once.

[skippa1]

Skippa, I've no idea how you came to crash off your bike, could you explain what happened.
I am glad that your gear saved you from more serious injury and that you've taken the time to come here and tell other motorcyclists about how well it all did, I'm assuming in the spirit of caring and sharing and allowing that there are many out there who don't bother with adequate gear.
You'd not be here telling us anything if you'd been wearing jeans, a dress jacket and snow field gloves aye.
On you for taking the time.
Just one thing though, while Katmans message might not be something you're happy about, have you thought about what did happen and what if anything you could have done to prevent or at least limit what happened to you as a result.
I ask this because when you boil down what KM is saying, that's what he'd like you to tell us in all it's naked glory and without telling us about all the other factors that contributed.

Cheers, thats more constructive.
I actually dont have any issue with Katpisses base message, its just that he doesnt care about it anymore. He is only intereted in abuse, assumption and gutter scraps. Thats ok, but dont expect me to bare my soul....I am not throwing myself to the jackels.
There are three key things I would change if I was to go on that ride again, tell you what tho, they wont grace the pages of this forum. Katpiss and his bum buddies have made sure of that.
As an aside, ACC hasnt been involved in any of this, I will nurse my own injuries thanks...

[skippa1]

And Fucking proud of it.

Im getting tired of you HAVING to voice your fucking opinions everytime someone mentions a crash, get over yourself we got your repetitive anal boring as FUCK message, sing a different tune FFS.
If a biker wants to talk about his crash and stuff for whatever reason try to keep out of it just for fucking once.

Amen :yes:

[oneofsix]

Cheers, thats more constructive.
I actually dont have any issue with Katpisses base message, its just that he doesnt care about it anymore. He is only intereted in abuse, assumption and gutter scraps. Thats ok, but dont expect me to bare my soul....I am not throwing myself to the jackels.
There are three key things I would change if I was to go on that ride again, tell you what tho, they wont grace the pages of this forum. Katpiss and his bum buddies have made sure of that.
As an aside, ACC hasnt been involved in any of this, I will nurse my own injuries thanks...

it is annoying that it has come to that :angry: Sharing about what the crasher would do differently could help other avoid the same or worse. As your off isn't going to affect ACC then those that are convinced that abusing people who have offs will somehow help reduce their levies have no reason to complain, yeah don't be deluded they aren't interested in the biker concerned only their own wallets.
Anyhow thanks for your views on your gear skippa1.

[awa355]

Just good to hear you were not too badly injured. Your post shows that good gear wont ever go amiss. Guess that was the whole point of the thread, not what / who caused the "off".

[PrincessBandit]

The reality is that riders crash for a variety of reasons. Mine was due to inattention (mind on other things) as well as circumstances - mind on a very important rehearsal I was on my way to attend and a sea of brake lights coming on at the very moment I turned my head to do my shoulder check before overtaking.

All I can say about the gear is that I was very thankful to my helmet, jacket, boots and gloves. The jacket still managed to rip open and my shirt got torn from collar to cuff as I didn't have the zip done completely up; and I wasn't wearing my leather pants. The side seam of my dress jeans ripped open (right leg) but no damage done to my legs thankfully (they were a relatively heavy duty denim).

Helmet, gloves, jacket and boots all had to be replaced. Still have the jacket as a reminder of why to wear one.

Bottom line is - regardless of why you have an accident, having the correct gear is important. End of story.

[Usarka]

I saw this thread coming a mile away.

We're being told to learn lessons, so the lesson is: if you crash don't discuss on KB without fully taking all the blame publically otherwise thread will turn into a waaaaah fest.

Well done Skippa, glad you're ok, thanks for sharing the value of gear for noobs without scaring them with fanatcism, glad you had good gear, and i hope there was something you can learn from it.

[PrincessBandit]

I saw this thread coming a mile away.

We're being told to learn lessons, so the lesson is: if you crash don't discuss on KB without fully taking all the blame publically otherwise thread will turn into a waaaaah fest.



Nah, although good for you for having such excellent eyesight.

Lessons learnt are the ones you shouldn't have to come on here saying "well I read this thread about....but I still gone an' dun it anyways"

[steve_t]

I saw this thread coming a mile away.

We're being told to learn lessons, so the lesson is: if you crash don't discuss on KB without fully taking all the blame publically otherwise thread will turn into a waaaaah fest.


That's exactly how it is these days. Basically, whether you're in a single vehicle or multi vehicle accident, to prevent that stuff you need to write "I fucked up but luckily my gear reduced my injuries"

[YellowDog]

The reality is that riders crash for a variety of reasons. Mine was due to inattention (mind on other things) as well as circumstances - mind on a very important rehearsal I was on my way to attend and a sea of brake lights coming on at the very moment I turned my head to do my shoulder check before overtaking.

All I can say about the gear is that I was very thankful to my helmet, jacket, boots and gloves. The jacket still managed to rip open and my shirt got torn from collar to cuff as I didn't have the zip done completely up; and I wasn't wearing my leather pants. The side seam of my dress jeans ripped open (right leg) but no damage done to my legs thankfully (they were a relatively heavy duty denim).

Helmet, gloves, jacket and boots all had to be replaced. Still have the jacket as a reminder of why to wear one.

Bottom line is - regardless of why you have an accident, having the correct gear is important. End of story.

There you go, it was an accident.

An unfortunate turn of events producing an undesirable outcome.

Vary the same events and get a different outcome.

We all make mistakes and our experiences reduce the chances of repeating them (for most of us).

PB - For me the number one thing is having things on my mind, taking my eye off the ball. If I have something serious on my mind, I just won't ride.

This is a good thread as it enforces the ATGATT principle. There may be some riders reading this who will change what they wear when riding and potentially save themselves form something serious.

It's a shame that some see the need to spoil it :no:

[skippa1]

There you go, it was an accident.

An unfortunate turn of events producing an undesirable outcome.

Vary the same events and get a different outcome.

We all make mistakes and our experiences reduce the chances of repeating them (for most of us).

PB - For me the number one thing is having things on my mind, taking my eye off the ball. If I have something serious on my mind, I just won't ride.

This is a good thread as it enforces the ATGATT principle. There may be some riders reading this who will change what they wear when riding and potentially save themselves form something serious.

It's a shame that some see the need to spoil it :no:

Thank you, that was well said.:yes:

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

I saw this thread coming a mile away.

We're being told to learn lessons, so the lesson is: if you crash don't discuss on KB without fully taking all the blame publically otherwise thread will turn into a waaaaah fest.

Well done Skippa, glad you're ok, thanks for sharing the value of gear for noobs without scaring them with fanatcism, glad you had good gear, and i hope there was something you can learn from it.

+1

Good, real life, gear reviews are always helpful.

Would just like to point out that brands are always good to put in as well (no brand given for your gloves or leathers).

Even though this thread isn't about the crash, I for one are glad that you came out of it relatively OK and am sure that you will learn from the experience - without the assistance of a Kiwibiker Kangaroo Court judgment.

[Grubber]

Do yourself a favour......ride within your capabilities.

Tell someone who gives a shit.


It's a package deal...neglect any one part and the outcome may not be what you wanted. Or expected.

Tell someone who gives a shit.

Yeah, "relatively new seal" is a dead cert for crashing on.

I mean, how on earth could you possibly not?
Tell someone who gives a shit.


You're the classic two-wheeled ostrich.

Think the one with the head in the sand maybe you, as you have made assumptions on the cause without hearing one thing about the accident. Thank God our crash investigation unit doesn't work like this.

For your info, this thread was a gear analysis and not a crash analysis.:facepalm:

[MSTRS]

Tell someone who gives a shit.


As hard as it might be to understand it - that is exactly what I was doing.

Tell us all this...if the OP didn't give a shit, why was he wearing ATG, why would he post his gratitude for that, mention when it probably won't help, but still recommend that we should all get good gear?

[skippa1]

+1

Good, real life, gear reviews are always helpful.

Would just like to point out that brands are always good to put in as well (no brand given for your gloves or leathers).

Even though this thread isn't about the crash, I for one are glad that you came out of it relatively OK and am sure that you will learn from the experience - without the assistance of a Kiwibiker Kangaroo Court judgment.

Brands for leathers and gloves were all Triumph.

[Grubber]

As hard as it might be to understand it - that is exactly what I was doing.

Tell us all this...if the OP didn't give a shit, why was he wearing ATG, why would he post his gratitude for that, mention when it probably won't help, but still recommend that we should all get good gear?

The OP, i am happy to listen to, as he does have some relevant information for people, in your case, it had bugger all relevance to this thread, so i don't give a shit about what you said.
The thread was about the gear, not an invite for you and Katsmell to go off at the mouth again.

[oneofsix]

Brands for leathers and gloves were all Triumph.

Interesting as it would be easy to write the Triumph stuff off as just accessories to the bike brand, marketing, like fingerless gloves.

[MSTRS]

The OP, i am happy to listen to, as he does have some relevant information for people, in your case, it had bugger all relevance to this thread, so i don't give a shit about what you said.
The thread was about the gear, not an invite for you and Katsmell to go off at the mouth again.

Totally relevant.
OP suggested that good gear won't save you from being a cock. It is equally true that good gear won't save you if you are being completely on to it in your riding, but get unlucky.
Are you saying that wearing good gear is totally irrelevant?

[skippa1]

Interesting as it would be easy to write the Triumph stuff off as just accessories to the bike brand, marketing, like fingerless gloves.

yes, they were good quality though, see pics,

[Grubber]

Totally relevant. OP suggested that good gear won't save you from being a cock. It is equally true that good gear won't save you if you are being completely on to it in your riding, but get unlucky.
Or are you saying that wearing good gear is totally irrelevant?

Good gear is totally relevant for this thread, anything else belongs in another thread.
Somewhere you and KM and thrash yaselves to death.

[Katman]

As an aside, ACC hasnt been involved in any of this, I will nurse my own injuries thanks...

Do ACC cover the cost of hospital treatment?


Yeah A&E had a look and xrayed the bits of concern, no majors, just feel like Ive been hit by a bus.

[skippa1]

Do ACC cover the cost of hospital treatment?

Only if you fill out the ACC form

[skippa1]

Totally relevant. OP suggested that good gear won't save you from being a cock. It is equally true that good gear won't save you if you are being completely on to it in your riding, but get unlucky.
Or are you saying that wearing good gear is totally irrelevant?

Really? I suggested that?:blink:

[MSTRS]

yes, they were good quality though, see pics,

SWMBO fell off at around 40kph, slid about 60ft and did less but similar damage to her leathers.
Good gear is invaluable.

[Grubber]

Thought a quick reveiw of the gear that saved my arse on a 85kmh crash on realitively new seal might help someone. All else aside, I was very lucky that a car wasnt coming the other way, the gear wont protect you from sudden stops.
1) Helmet - Shoei XR1100. I hit the ground face first, my helmet took the full initial impact. It has a half dozen large scars down the side, the visor is completly rashed and torn from its fittings on one side. In short, it saved my noggin. A lesser helmet may have failed, I had mild delayed concussion but all else was fine.
2) Gloves - good quality hard knukle gloves. As my noggin was becoming aquainted with the ashphalt, my left knukles punched the ground and tore the leather covering off the knukles, down to the plastic. No doubt in my mind, that if I had my Alpinestars soft knukle gloves on, the outcome would have been some bark off.
3) Full 2 piece leathers with armour - these were a saviour. Wore through the knees to the armour on the pants, they were scratched around the elbows, shoulders, back, bum and thighs. As I slid down the road, I could feel the seal clawing at the leather and it felt tough and protective. Zips, buttons and stitching all held up, no failures.
4) Boots - A pair of Sidi Vertago Corsa's. Tore off the toe slider and side armour, held together apart from that.

Summary
I slid about 35-45m down the road, tumbled several times at the end. The gear saved me from rash and I believe the elbow, shoulder, knee, knukle, and thigh armour saved me from broken bones. I am very bruised, have a couple of big lumps on my arms, both big toes are black?????No rash at all. Bike is written off.
I am absolutley certain that good gear saved me from more damage. I never have ridden without some gear, but I will never ride again in Jeans, not even kevlar ones, or sandshoes. Even going to the gas station. Good gear will still not prevent major damage in a solid impact with a solid object.

Do yourself a favour......buy good gear.

Hmmmm, Don't see anything about being a cock here.....


Totally relevant.
OP suggested that good gear won't save you from being a cock. It is equally true that good gear won't save you if you are being completely on to it in your riding, but get unlucky.
Are you saying that wearing good gear is totally irrelevant?

I see everything about being a cock here though....thank god....thought i must have reading things for a minute! :shit:

[Grubber]

Really? I suggested that?:blink:

Oh come on, you wrote it, surely it must be there somewhere....my god, you're right, it's not bloody there....and seeing as you did write, one would think you would know huh....you did write it,didn't you?????

[Katman]

Only if you fill out the ACC form

I would have thought that if there were things that cost money (like x-rays being taken) that someone would fill out an ACC form - even if it wasn't you.

[skippa1]

I would have thought that if there were things that cost money (like x-rays being taken) that someone would fill out an ACC form - even if it wasn't you.

Really, is that what you thought........? I was wondering what you thought......? Really, thats what I was wondering:shit:

But really, thats not what happened......no form:blink:

[Griffin]

It is equally true that good gear won't save you if you are being completely on to it in your riding, but get unlucky.

If I am reading this correctly it would seem to me that you are saying that not all accidents are entirely the fault of the rider... but earlier in this thread you were supportive of Viragos claims that the rider is 100% responsible for their accident. Now come on... which is it - do you have your own opinion on this at all?

Grubber is completely correct... this thread was started to advise of some good gear that the OP was fortunate enough to be wearing during his accident (no blame or fault being given or accepted by him) and as the original intention of the thread was titled "gear that saved my arse" I had an interest in reading it. Unfortunatley, as all too often happens, Katman and certain others see it as an opportunity to start chest thumping and giving out unwanted pearls of their demented wisdom and the thread becomes a shit fight over something totally unrelated. :facepalm:

[Grubber]

SWMBO fell off at around 40kph, slid about 60ft and did less but similar damage to her leathers.
Good gear is invaluable.

Now that made much more sense....didn't hurt a bit to contribute in a normal manner now did it? Someone out there may just make some use of this small bit of info. well done!:Punk:

[Katman]

If I am reading this correctly it would seem to me that you are saying that not all accidents are entirely the fault of the rider... but earlier in this thread you were supportive of Viragos claims that the rider is 100% responsible for their accident. Now come on... which is it - do you have your own opinion on this at all?


Comprehension's not your strong point, is it?

[Grubber]

Comprehension's not your strong point, is it?

Think he may have a point actually. Think comprehension may be your problem and not his. Seems you use this sentence at any time the argument turns on you.
Do you just copy and paste it from a folder full of "get out of trouble quotes"

[Quasievil]

Comprehension's not your strong point, is it?

Im not even sure what your point is in this thread, can you explain just incase we all missed, please clarify in detail

[Katman]

Think he may have a point actually. Think comprehension may be your problem and not his. Seems you use this sentence at any time the argument turns on you.
Do you just copy and paste it from a folder full of "get out of trouble quotes"

Ok, MSTRS said that not all motorcycle accidents are entirely the fault of the rider. I'm not aware of anyone who has ever suggested that they are.

Virago said that skippa was 100% responsible for his accident. Well who else was if he wasn't? (And don't say the "relatively new seal" - I'm sure plenty of motorcycles have successfully negotiated that corner since it's been resealed).

[Quasievil]

Ok, MSTRS said that not all motorcycle accidents are entirely the fault of the rider. I'm not aware of anyone who has ever suggested that they are.

Virago said that skippa was 100% responsible for his accident. Well who else was if he wasn't? (And don't say the "relatively new seal". I'm sure countless motorcycles have successfully negotiated that corner since it's been resealed).


Its worthy to note at this point that Katman has never fallen of his bike, not even once !!as he rides within his capabilities, albeit it in his shorts and a tshirt and jandles because HE is soley responsible for any outcomes that might effect him while out riding, no outside influencing factor will EVER catch the Mighty Katman out, only HE decides his destiny.

[oneofsix]

Its worthy to note at this point that Katman has never fallen of his bike, not even once !!as he rides within his capabilities, albeit it in his shorts and a tshirt and jandles because HE is soley responsible for any outcomes that might effect him while out riding, no outside influencing factor will EVER catch the Mighty Katman out, only HE decides his destiny.

I wonder if that is true that Katty has never had an off or is it a case of the "reformed smoker syndrome"?

[Grubber]

Ok, MSTRS said that not all motorcycle accidents are entirely the fault of the rider. I'm not aware of anyone who has ever suggested that they are.

Virago said that skippa was 100% responsible for his accident. Well who else was if he wasn't? (And don't say the "relatively new seal" - I'm sure plenty of motorcycles have successfully negotiated that corner since it's been resealed).

I'll say new seal.....there take that! Sometimes when we come over the top of a rise or corner, there imediately in front of us is a run of new seal, with no signs up to warn us. Some times it's a road we have traveled before that we know well, but the new seal and no sign gives us no warning and no chance.
How i know this you ask???
Well i ride a certain road out my way and know it well, but on one occasion that i rode it with a mate, they had spread new seal all round a sweeping bend. No road signs to warn us and due to rather dull day it was not easily seen until we were right on it.Now i could explain till i'm blue in the face as to all the conditions involved and still i have no doubt you will come up with some lame answer, but what i will add here is that, we did not crash, more due to good luck than good management. We stopped to reflect on this some 2 k's further on where we could see this corner. Whilst sitting there another 4 bikes came through that corner and only 2 came out of it. They were going slower than us but unfortunately hit the higher mound of seal than we did, just through being unlucky.
One phone call had the Roadies out there next day putting signs out.
It does happen that way believe it or not.

[Grubber]

Its worthy to note at this point that Katman has never fallen of his bike, not even once !!as he rides within his capabilities, albeit it in his shorts and a tshirt and jandles because HE is soley responsible for any outcomes that might effect him while out riding, no outside influencing factor will EVER catch the Mighty Katman out, only HE decides his destiny.

He doesn't ride! Otherwise he would no the perils of new seal and shiny tar and on and on and on etc.
Hey...that last bit sounded just like him!

[skippa1]

Ok, MSTRS said that not all motorcycle accidents are entirely the fault of the rider. I'm not aware of anyone who has ever suggested that they are.

Virago said that skippa was 100% responsible for his accident. Well who else was if he wasn't? (And don't say the "relatively new seal" - I'm sure plenty of motorcycles have successfully negotiated that corner since it's been resealed).

This is the fucked up bit really isnt it:facepalm:. The thread was about gear:yes:. Not who caused the accident, whose fault it was, whether I took any blame:blink:. Just the gear:weird:. But you and your possy of arse bandits hijak it and turn it into something else:nono:. The purpose, I can only assume is self promotion, what else could it be:scratch:? Do enlighten

[MSTRS]

Really? I suggested that?:blink:
Good god! I had another read, and it would appear that you didn't actually say that. Silly old me for making that inference.
It's a good thing I didn't abuse the fuck out of you for something you never actually said, eh?


I'll say new seal.....there take that! Sometimes when we come over the top of a rise or corner, there imediately in front of us is a run of new seal, with no signs up to warn us. Some times it's a road we have traveled before that we know well, but the new seal and no sign gives us no warning and no chance.

Just because, in this day and age of liability, warning signs are supposed to be there - doesn't mean they will be...we should never take anything for granted.
However, if a rider does get caught out because there was no warning, suing the contractor and/or local body has been successful in getting damage to bikes paid for, so is always an option.

[skippa1]

Good god! I had another read, and it would appear that you didn't actually say that. Silly old me for making that inference.
It's a good thing I didn't abuse the fuck out of you for something you never actually said, eh?




Apology accepted, or am I reading between the lines?:killingme

[Katman]

Apology accepted, or am I reading between the lines?:killingme

I think it went sailing over your head instead.

[skippa1]

:blink:
I think it went sailing over your head instead.

Hey, we are not talking mister:angry:see post 63 and provide some sort of rationale around your input into this thread because I really really want to know what you have contributed to the thread bout gear.....:scratch:

[Katman]

:blink:

Hey, we are not talking mister:angry:see post 63 and provide some sort of rationale around your input into this thread because I really really want to know what you have contributed to the thread bout gear.....:scratch:

Yeah, sorry about that..........

You were probably in the wrong one.

[Quasievil]

Yeah, sorry about that..........

You were probably in the wrong one.

Yeah and Post 57 Katman, what you got to say, anything, or nothing ?

[chasio]

yes, they were good quality though, see pics,

Interesting to see the shot of the gloves.

I was quite happy without knuckle protectors on mine, reckoning I don't ride that fast anyway and don't wanna look like an oldfart-racerwannabe...

About a year ago I stopped and thought about it and decided I was being a fool if how the gloves looked was more important than not smashing up my hands in an off. Bought both winter and summer pairs that don't look too power-ranger and got on with riding.

Having seen that photo, I wouldn't wear any other type of glove now. Cheers for that.

[skippa1]

Interesting to see the shot of the gloves.

I was quite happy without knuckle protectors on mine, reckoning I don't ride that fast anyway and don't wanna look like an oldfart-racerwannabe...

About a year ago I stopped and thought about it and decided I was being a fool if how the gloves looked was more important than not smashing up my hands in an off. Bought both winter and summer pairs that don't look too power-ranger and got on with riding.

Having seen that photo, I wouldn't wear any other type of glove now. Cheers for that.

Yup. They saved my knukles for sure. They would have been a mess without those hard knukles in the gloves. All the armour did a job, elbows, shoulder knees, hip and boots.

[Grubber]

Good god! I had another read, and it would appear that you didn't actually say that. Silly old me for making that inference.
It's a good thing I didn't abuse the fuck out of you for something you never actually said, eh?


Just because, in this day and age of liability, warning signs are supposed to be there - doesn't mean they will be...we should never take anything for granted.
However, if a rider does get caught out because there was no warning, suing the contractor and/or local body has been successful in getting damage to bikes paid for, so is always an option.

there ya go again. Chucking full responsibility onto the unsuspecting rider. It's not about taking a road for granted you nob. It's about the absolute unseen "for granted or not" it is unseen or seen far too late. It happens ya know. You may find that out if ya go ride a bike one day instead of knocking the shit out of ya keyboard.
Tell me, how do you anticipate something that has a brain of it's own (wandering stock) or mother nature so to speak???? Sounds like you expect us all to ride at snails pace every where we go.


Yeah, sorry about that..........

You were probably in the wrong one.

Another amazing piece of useful info as always.

[Katman]

Tell me, how do you anticipate something that has a brain of it's own (wandering stock) or mother nature so to speak???? Sounds like you expect us all to ride at snails pace every where we go.

Since when did the "relatively new seal" morph into a herd of cows or a bolt of lightning?

[Quasievil]

Since when did the "relatively new seal" morph into a herd of cows or a bolt of lightning?

Well despite our invitations to Katman to explain what he is hoping to gain and therefore contribute to this thread, he remains silent.
I take it then that Katman is therefore a "simple" sniper that snipes threads relating to biker safety / crashes etc, and he feels he is in no way required to actually say anything of substance to back himself up.

So there ya go, Mr katman = waste of space:yes:

[Maha]

Well despite our invitations to Katman to explain what he is hoping to gain and therefore contribute to this thread, he remains silent.
I take it then that Katman is therefore a "simple" sniper that snipes threads relating to biker safety / crashes etc, and he feels he is in no way required to actually say anything of substance to back himself up.

So there ya go, Mr katman = waste of space:yes:

he will be waiting for his deciples to help out there..

[Grubber]

Since when did the "relatively new seal" morph into a herd of cows or a bolt of lightning?

Jeez you really are thick.... "unforeseen circumstances" would be close to the description i think. You know, one of those things you don't readily come across on a day to day basis, can be a little unpredictable maybe....how much more do we have to spell it out for ya. Bloody hell!
Maybe we should make up a list just for you perhaps.....
My God, i would hate to ride with you!

[Quasievil]

My God, i would hate to ride with you!

But only then will you see absolute perfection, who miss that chance ?

[Beren]

As a complete noob I would be happy to ride out with almost anyone at this point - every time i see someone else riding I try and pay attention to how they ride so I can then decided if there style is something worth emulating or not.

It would be awesome to have just had a constructive thread about kit that had worked well though. I have tried to buy decent Kit - but until you see what has happened to it after someone has taken it down the road you never know. Hopefully i will never be posting a review like this... and the arguments afterwards don't exactly make me feel like I would want to. The likes of those such as Katman and his distractors might want to think about that. If I don't post at all about an off you can't give me any good advice about how I could have avoided it!

[Katman]

If I don't post at all about an off you can't give me any good advice about how I could have avoided it!

There's a big difference between those who post about an accident with a genuine desire for advice and those who post about their accident as a means to blame someone/thing else and to garner a bit of sympathy.

[Grubber]

But only then will you see absolute perfection, who miss that chance ?

I think i can live without it, thanks anyway:scooter:

[Maha]

As a complete noob I would be happy to ride out with almost anyone at this point - every time i see someone else riding I try and pay attention to how they ride so I can then decided if there style is something worth emulating or not.


Good point Beren.
The plus side of that is you will learn quicker the style that best suits you.
Serving an apprenticeship if you will?
Best done on the road than on a computer.

[Mort]

There's a big difference between those who post about an accident with a genuine desire for advice and those who post about their accident as a means to blame someone/thing else and to garner a bit of sympathy.

... and how does that relate to the original post here ? The guy was promoting the use of decent gear when riding, by telling how it protected him when he came off.... and good on him. He was not expressing any desire for any advice or critique from you Katman, you trolling, self righteous gobshite.

[Beren]

There's a big difference between those who post about an accident with a genuine desire for advice and those who post about their accident as a means to blame someone/thing else and to garner a bit of sympathy.

Wouldn't the best way of geniunely giving advice be to partake in an advanced riding day of some kind? I am certain there would be a large number of noobs and newish riders who have gotten down the basics of making their bike go and stop who would really appreciate a working knowledge of what 7/10ths or 8/10ths riding actually looked like from people that know.

[Beren]

Good point Beren.
The plus side of that is you will learn quicker the style that best suits you.
Serving an apprenticeship if you will?
Best done on the road than on a computer.

Aye - which is why you saw me at your new riders meet, and will again! Thanks again for organising them.

[skippa1]

There's a big difference between those who post about an accident with a genuine desire for advice and those who post about their accident as a means to blame someone/thing else and to garner a bit of sympathy.

:facepalm:yep, and thats why I started this thread:shutup: You still havent chipped in to answer my question, or Quasi's.:blink:Exactly what have your posts got to do with this thread big talker??? Nothing.....because you dont have anything at all do you.....youre just full of shit. Katpiss has no substance:shit::puke:

[Ender EnZed]

"relatively new seal"
one of those things you don't readily come across on a day to day basis

Are you serious? If so, I'm moving to Pukekohe.

[Quasievil]

youre just full of shit. Katpiss has no substance:shit::puke:

To think that he is a "Mentor" what a fucking joke:yes:

As I AM the originator of the "Mentor" system on this site I wouldnt have bothered had I known it was going to attract such plonkers.

[skippa1]

To think that he is a "Mentor" what a fucking joke:yes:

As I AM the originator of the "Mentor" system on this site I wouldnt have bothered had I known it was going to attract such plonkers.

Could have been a simple typo? Mental - mentor:blink:

[chasio]

Aye - which is why you saw me at your new riders meet, and will again! Thanks again for organising them.

Good on you for attending those sessions.

Another option is that BRONZ run a day's training called Ride Right, Ride Safe on the third Sunday of every month. Lots of people have found this helpful, me included. See the info page here (http://www.bronz.org.nz/riderightridesafe.html).

[MSTRS]

there ya go again. Chucking full responsibility onto the unsuspecting rider. It's not about taking a road for granted you nob. It's about the absolute unseen "for granted or not" it is unseen or seen far too late. It happens ya know. You may find that out if ya go ride a bike one day instead of knocking the shit out of ya keyboard.
Tell me, how do you anticipate something that has a brain of it's own (wandering stock) or mother nature so to speak???? Sounds like you expect us all to ride at snails pace every where we go.


Still insisting on twisting my words, huh?
I came in here to second the wearing of good gear, not to comment on why the rider had an off. I wasn't there, so how would I know whether he could have avoided the off or not. He said some others also lost it there, and some didn't. Make of that what you will.

[skippa1]

Still insisting on twisting my words, huh?
I came in here to second the wearing of good gear, not to comment on why the rider had an off. I wasn't there, so how would I know whether he could have avoided the off or not. He said some others also lost it there, and some didn't. Make of that what you will.

I'm just guessing, but you are probably being judged by your overall attitude in other posts on other threads....:shutup:

[baptist]

Well done Skippa, glad you're ok, thanks for sharing the value of gear for noobs without scaring them with fanatcism, glad you had good gear, and i hope there was something you can learn from it.

+1 it is a good thing to share, one up for Triumph quality, hope you are mending well Skippa, shame about the bike:crybaby:

:corn::corn::corn: another bun fight:facepalm:

[skippa1]

+1 it is a good thing to share, one up for Triumph quality, hope you are mending well Skippa, shame about the bike:crybaby:

:corn::corn::corn: another bun fight:facepalm:

Thanks for that. Yes, healing well thanks. I am gutted about the bike, it was my baby. Never mind, new baby on the way:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo: Yes the gear was great:yes: See new thread for new gear list

[Griffin]

Mstrs... I think your demise in this thread began here.


As for the other part of the equation...that can only be a hiding to nothing. Perhaps you will listen to this guy.


As long as you keep trying to justify or explain your crash on the basis of "relatively new seal", you're always going to get a bite from the biters.

When you accept that you're 100% responsible for your own accident, you might get the support you seek. The road did not cause your accident - you did.



I hear through out the thread that you (Mstrs) are supportive of the OP use of good gear, but your apparent/implied support of KM and this Virago chap hasnt helped you.

All the majority of us in here are saying is that the thread should have been left as an informative thread/discussion as was intended... without the undue hijacking of it by KM and his ilk with their self righteous blatherings. The OP wasnt seeking sympathy, advice or criticism... he was merely informing. It has now become 7 pages of shit fighting.

[skippa1]

Mstrs... I think your demise in this thread began here.






I hear through out the thread that you (Mstrs) are supportive of the OP use of good gear, but your apparent/implied support of KM and this Virago chap hasnt helped you.

All the majority of us in here are saying is that the thread should have been left as an informative thread/discussion as was intended... without the undue hijacking of it by KM and his ilk with their self righteous blatherings. The OP wasnt seeking sympathy, advice or criticism... he was merely informing. It has now become 7 pages of shit fighting.

Amen to all that:not:

[Katman]

It has now become 7 pages of shit fighting.

And 7 pages of shit fighting could have been avoided if the OP's response to post #3 was "Yeah, that too".

I mean, who in their right mind would take umbrage at the idea of riding within your capabilites?

[skippa1]

And 7 pages of shit fighting could have been avoided if the OP's response to post #3 was "Yeah, that too".

I mean, who in their right mind would take umbrage at the idea of riding within your capabilites?

Still cant answer the question huh?????Got no balls????Or just no answer???Number 3 wasnt a question, just another wank comment. Come on, answer the questions you spineless cunt.:blink:

[Katman]

Still cant answer the question huh?????Got no balls????Or just no answer???Number 3 wasnt a question, just another wank comment. come on, answer the questions you spinless cunt.:blink:

What was the question again?

[skippa1]

What was the question again?

exactly, thats all you have....nothing. Empty vessel:shit:

[Geeen]

So I SHOULD buy my Wife those Triumph branded tight Leather jeans then??

[skippa1]

So I SHOULD buy my Wife those Triumph branded tight Leather jeans then??

Yep, protection is great and the cameltoe a bonus:shit:

[Geeen]

Yep, protection is great and the cameltoe a bonus:shit:

:laugh::laugh::laugh: But then she'll match the bike!! Then how will I know which one to ride???:confused::confused:

[skippa1]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: But then she'll match the bike!! Then how will I know which one to ride???:confused::confused:

Has she got a sister?:shutup:

[Griffin]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: But then she'll match the bike!! Then how will I know which one to ride???:confused::confused:

Wouldnt that depend on the weather?

[skippa1]

Wouldnt that depend on the weather?

Now this kind of thing really can cause an accident........:yeah:

[jaffaonajappa]

So I SHOULD buy my Wife those Triumph branded tight Leather jeans then??

If you dont buy em for her....who will? :facepalm:

[PrincessBandit]

Now this kind of thing really can cause an accident........:yeah:

I'm sure more than one off has been the result of some bird-oggling...

But hey, we can't help being hot in our tight leathers :killingme

[MSTRS]

I'm just guessing, but you are probably being judged by your overall attitude in other posts on other threads....:shutup:

My attitude? Hmmmm...believing that a rider is responsible for their riding, and that too many are quick to place blame anywhere but themselves when they have an 'incident' is an attitude, I suppose. As is any alternative believe/opinion.
Obviously, in some quarters, it is the crime of the century to insist that a rider is responsible for themselves at all times, whether shit can and does happen or not.


Mstrs... I think your demise in this thread began here.

I hear through out the thread that you (Mstrs) are supportive of the OP use of good gear, but your apparent/implied support of KM and this Virago chap hasnt helped you.

All the majority of us in here are saying is that the thread should have been left as an informative thread/discussion as was intended... without the undue hijacking of it by KM and his ilk with their self righteous blatherings. The OP wasnt seeking sympathy, advice or criticism... he was merely informing. It has now become 7 pages of shit fighting.

I'm not fighting...


:laugh::laugh::laugh: But then she'll match the bike!! Then how will I know which one to ride???:confused::confused:

Your bike has a cameltoe? :shit:

[Grubber]

Are you serious? If so, I'm moving to Pukekohe.

My point being, it's not at every corner you ride. Always guarantee a tar sealed road but not always a clean one.
It certainly wouldn't be every day i ride that i see new seal.
Then again, maybe you're in a bad area and should move over to the wild side.

[skippa1]

Obviously, in some quarters, it is the crime of the century to insist that a rider is responsible for themselves at all times, whether shit can and does happen or not.

:shit:

No, but rabbiting on to people that have just lost their bike(pride and joy) in an accident, when that person is suffering physical pain, about how responsible they are....when they never claimed they were not.....can producde some fairly bad reactions. You are the recipiant of that reaction and now you are getting defensive of that position:blink:

[MSTRS]

Show me where I ever 'rabbited on' at anyone recovering from an off. I talk in general terms, not specific cases.
KM may be omnipotent, but I'm not. I wasn't at the scene of any particular crash, and although it is unlikely, I accept that there are times when shit happens that the rider couldn't have avoided no matter what level of care and attention they display/ed.

Here's a little exercise for you....
The last pucker moment I had was up the Gentle Annie a few years ago. The 2 local bodies that are responsible for this road have been sealing it from each end, to meet in the middle. At that time there was about 30kms of gravel left. I hadn't been up there for a while, and I was 'reliably informed' that the seal had been well extended since the last time I'd been there. So - here was me blatting along at 100-ish :innocent: and right where I remembered the seal ending, the road was in shadow. Coming from bright sunlight, the detail of the road was impossible to make out. But I knew where the road went, and I knew that it was sealed...I had been told, right?
Wrong!! To add to my difficulty, this was one of those gravel roads with a high crown and massive camber and of course I hit it at what was suddenly a most inappropriate speed. Thank Christ the road went left and uphill...braking was NOT an option.
Your challenge is to tell us who was at fault for my predicament.

[NordieBoy]

PFFT I remember when KB was a bikers site, now its a site full of PC wankers.
:yes:

Don't forget the Mac wankers :yes:

[240]

Fark me what a shit fight over a poor bastard that has totaled his bike and been thrown down the road for 30 or 40 meters.Think about that before commenting about his riding skills or whatever, do you blame a rugby player if he gets injured on the field?.
The dude is a fellow biker who deserves support from us for something that can happen at any time to any road user.
Any ways skipper1 you going triumph again or have you seen the light and are going to go German:msn-wink:
Also I gotta ask you how the fuck did you end up with two big black toes!!!:killingme (sorry to laugh man but it does sound funny):msn-wink:
Hope the body is healing well.

[Geeen]

Now this kind of thing really can cause an accident........:yeah:

Yup, I got two of them, one's 6 and the others 4 :laugh:

[Murray]

Here's a little exercise for you....
The last pucker moment I had was up the Gentle Annie a few years ago. The 2 local bodies that are responsible for this road have been sealing it from each end, to meet in the middle. At that time there was about 30kms of gravel left. I hadn't been up there for a while, and I was 'reliably informed' that the seal had been well extended since the last time I'd been there. So - here was me blatting along at 100-ish :innocent: and right where I remembered the seal ending, the road was in shadow. Coming from bright sunlight, the detail of the road was impossible to make out. But I knew where the road went, and I knew that it was sealed...I had been told, right?
Wrong!! To add to my difficulty, this was one of those gravel roads with a high crown and massive camber and of course I hit it at what was suddenly a most inappropriate speed. Thank Christ the road went left and uphill...braking was NOT an option.
Your challenge is to tell us who was at fault for my predicament.

Had they taken the "Gravel next XXkm signs away?" if not its your fault. Otherwise its your reliable sources and council fault!!

[skippa1]

Show me where I ever 'rabbited on' at anyone recovering from an off.

QUOTE MSTRS: Perhaps you will listen to this guy. Originally Posted by Virago
As long as you keep trying to justify or explain your crash on the basis of "relatively new seal", you're always going to get a bite from the biters.

When you accept that you're 100% responsible for your own accident, you might get the support you seek. The road did not cause your accident - you did.

[skippa1]

Fark me what a shit fight over a poor bastard that has totaled his bike and been thrown down the road for 30 or 40 meters.Think about that before commenting about his riding skills or whatever, do you blame a rugby player if he gets injured on the field?.
The dude is a fellow biker who deserves support from us for something that can happen at any time to any road user.
Any ways skipper1 you going triumph again or have you seen the light and are going to go German:msn-wink:
Also I gotta ask you how the fuck did you end up with two big black toes!!!:killingme (sorry to laugh man but it does sound funny):msn-wink:
Hope the body is healing well.

It is funny and I dont know how. I did literally face plant first, feet well above head....I guess they hit the road toes first:shit:

[MSTRS]

Had they taken the "Gravel next XXkm signs away?" if not its your fault. Otherwise its your reliable sources and council fault!!
Sign was there - hidden in the same shadow so I couldn't/didn't see it.
I consider the whole thing my fault. I made assumptions that affected me.
I only mentioned what happened to me because it relates to this thread...in that the rider hit something he couldn't see until it was too late. Was he a bad boy? No. Was I? No. Were either of us responsible for assuming the road ahead was 'normal'? Yes. Was someone else responsible (liable) for what caught either of us out. In my case - no. In his - almost definitely. Neither of us had any warning, albeit for different reasons.


QUOTE MSTRS: Perhaps you will listen to this guy.

Hardly 'rabbiting on'.

[Katman]

Was someone else responsible (liable) for what caught either of us out. In my case - no. In his - almost definitely.

Just to clarify (for skippa's sake) - I think MSTRS is saying that's an "almost definitely not".

[MSTRS]

Just to clarify (for skippa's sake) - I think MSTRS is saying that's a "almost definitely not".

I'm saying there is 'responsible' and there is 'liable'. The rider is always responsible for themselves, but if a situation turns to custard 'because' someone else failed in a legal obligation that someone is liable.
I was responsible AND liable for my event. Skippa1 was responsible but not liable for his.

The difference shouldn't be too subtle to grasp.

[skippa1]

I only mentioned what happened to me because it relates to this thread...in that the rider hit something he couldn't see until it was too late.
Hardly 'rabbiting on'.

Therein lies the problem. This thread is about gear that saved my arse:facepalm:NOT how I had my accident.
And whilst it may hardly be "rabbiting on", it is not on thread subject and was clearly a dig about whose "fault" the accident was. And that my old sausage, is why you keep getting an elbow in the ribs from me......:blink:
I havent laid blame on anything or anyone else, nor sought sympathy(I only gave facts about road surface etc, I havent said anything about whether it was my fault or not)yet you and your mate keep loading the bluderbuss and firing indiscrimanantly at anyone that does have an accident. :ar15:
I thought my thread may explain why good gear is important, maybe help someone who rides in fingerless gloves, t shirts or sandshoes......but nup.....youve gotta put your oar in<_<

[Katman]

I'm saying there is 'responsible' and there is 'liable'.

Well actually John, in the context of the sentence below you're indicating that they're one in the same.

Please excuse my confusion. :wacko:


Was someone else responsible (liable) for what caught either of us out.

[MSTRS]

Therein lies the problem. This thread is about gear that saved my arse:facepalm:NOT how I had my accident.


And a very worthy subject it is, well illustrated by your OP.
As for the hows and whys you dropped your bike - I was happy to not go there (for the most part). Certainly at that stage, anyway. Others led the way, so I'm not responsible for taking it there. :innocent:
Just to really mix it up, the whole thing is a package deal...the conditions one is riding in, how one is riding, how much attention is being paid, the kind of bike, the gear one is wearing. That was what I was saying here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/137749-Gear-that-saved-my-arse...?p=1130056738#post1130056738)

There's a big difference between me and KM on that score. He believes that gear is not that important in the scheme of things, but I do. Wearing it is your last line of defence if for any reason it all goes tits up. How it saved you should be proof enough of that.

[Katman]

There's a big difference between me and KM on that score. He believes that gear is not that important in the scheme of things, but I do.

Just to clarify (once again).........

I believe ATGATT is secondary to having the correct attitude as far as trying to ensure our own safety is concerned.

"Not that important in the scheme of things" is, once again, twisting my words.

[MSTRS]

Well actually John, in the context of the sentence below you're indicating that they're one in the same.

Please excuse my confusion. :wacko:

Argh. :facepalm:
My fault. Often the two words are used interchangably. I was trying to show the nuance between them.

[Quasievil]

Just to clarify (once again).........

I believe ATGATT is secondary to having the correct attitude as far as trying to ensure our own safety is concerned.


Well WHO the FUCK doesnt know that idiot, but you bleating on about it in the way you do is out of line.

[Katman]

Well WHO the FUCK doesnt know that idiot, but you bleating on about it in the way you do is out of line.

Go fuck yourself Brett.

[MSTRS]

Just to clarify (once again).........

I believe ATGATT is secondary to having the correct attitude as far as trying to ensure our own safety is concerned.

"Not that important in the scheme of things" is, once again, twisting my words.

Whoever invented that term 'nuance' should be shot....

[Quasievil]

Go fuck yourself Brett.

Nah I dont think so, youre the one with a bleating Nana campaign, go and log onto a Knitting forum and leave this site to Bikers.

"ride withing your capabilities" what a fucking egg

[Katman]

"ride withing your capabilities" what a fucking egg

:facepalm:

[Quasievil]

:facepalm:

Your quote dipshit :yes:

[Katman]

Have you been drinking Brett?

[Usarka]

He's making complete sense to most of us.

[skippa1]

Have you been drinking Brett?

No substance....:shake: Still, no answer as to what your contributions to this thread have to do with the OP.:blink:
:shit:Theres just nothing......your opinion is useless, in fact your whole worthless input into anything I have seen so far is useless.....:shit:
If Quasi has been drinking, you must be mainlining :drool:

[nodrog]

Nah I dont think so, youre the one with a bleating Nana campaign, go and log onto a Knitting forum and leave this site to Bikers.

"ride withing your capabilities" what a fucking egg

There is a fuckin knitting forum?

[Maha]

There is a fuckin knitting forum?

We have just started on scarves.

[skippa1]

:facepalm:

TrollOne who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark off such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. ride within your capabilities) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.

''Ad hominem'' is Latin for "directed toward the man (as opposed to the issue at hand)".

Looks familiar too me.....how about you katpiss<_<

[Katman]

You could always try speaking nicely to Nasty. She might infract me for taking the thread off topic for you.

[skippa1]

You could always try speaking nicely to Nasty. She might infract me for taking the thread off topic for you.

At least there is no denial:blink:

[Katman]

At least there is no denial:blink:

The only denial I see is you steadfastly refusing to accept that your accident was entirely avoidable.

[skippa1]

The only denial I see is you steadfastly refusing to accept that your accident was entirely avoidable.

And a big ol troll right back at ya...:shit:

[Katman]

Any chance you can point out on Google maps the corner you had the accident on?

[skippa1]

Any chance you can point out on Google maps the corner you had the accident on?

Might kick in a late ACC claim and ask them to put it on Katmans account. I can afford it.....can you?

[Katman]

Might kick in a late ACC claim and ask them to put it on Katmans account. I can afford it.....can you?

If I let you do that will you point out the corner?

[skippa1]

If I let you do that will you point out the corner?

no, I wouldnt show you the steam off one of my turds:blink:

[Katman]

no, I wouldnt show you the steam off one of my turds:blink:

You got something to hide?

[skippa1]

You got something to hide?

only how I really feel about you:love:

[Katman]

only how I really feel about you:love:

You say you were lucky a car wasn't coming the other way.

What if it had been a motorcyclist coming the other way that your out of control motorcycle took out?

[skippa1]

You say you were lucky a car wasn't coming the other way.

What if it had been a motorcyclist coming the other way that your out of control motorcycle took out?

I would have used my magic powers to remount my bike, regain control, stood it up and hug the left lane. As I passed by I would have given him or her a KB wave:wings:
I so wish that I had thought of that at the time.....:yes:

[Geeen]

You say you were lucky a car wasn't coming the other way.

What if it had been a motorcyclist coming the other way that your out of control motorcycle took out?

He would have been riding appropriately for the conditions, his skill level AND wearing the correct attire so would have been to avoid a negative outcome.....

[Geeen]

Your bike has a cameltoe? :shit:

Rabbits feet are so last year, Didn't you know?:whistle:

[Katman]

I would have used my magic powers to remount my bike, regain control, stood it up and hug the left lane. As I passed by I would have given him or her a KB wave:wings:
I so wish that I had thought of that at the time.....:yes:

See, everybody treats it as a big joke until it actually happens.

But don't kid yourself - it does actually happen.

[skippa1]

See, everybody treats it as a big joke until it actually happens.

But don't kid yourself - it does actually happen.

Noooo....everybody treats YOU as a big joke:shutup:Believe me, I find nothing funny about dropping my bike, or writing it off. And yes, I know how lucky I am that I was wearing appropriate gear and that no vehicle of any sort was coming the other way and that I didnt hit a solid object. Annndddd, it is even less funny that you feel it appropriate to continue to peddle your unwanted wares in this manner.:sleep:

[baptist]

We have just started on scarves.

No way!!!!! I am still on Beanies... slow down will ya...:innocent:

[Maha]

No way!!!!! I am still on Beanies... slow down will ya...:innocent:

Hope you're using the recommended 3.75mm Knitting needle?:blink:

[oneofsix]

Hope you're using the recommended 3.75mm Knitting needle?:blink:

bugga I could only find a 3.5mm, will that do? :innocent:

[Maha]

bugga I could only find a 3.5mm, will that do? :innocent:

Macrame' may suit you better...:corn:

[oneofsix]

Macrame' may suit you better...:corn:

I keep getting tied in knots with Macrame' Now is it knit 1 perl 2 or perl 2 knit 1?

[Quasievil]

No Matter if its Knitting or macrame remember to Knit within your limits.
Katnip is on most of these forums and spreads this message hardcore !!
Dont blame the wool or the needles etc !!!

[baptist]

No Matter if its Knitting or macrame remember to Knit within your limits.
Katnip is on most of these forums and spreads this message hardcore !!
Dont blame the wool or the needles etc !!!

So true, don't want to drop a stitch!!:rolleyes:

[skippa1]

So true, don't want to drop a stitch!!:rolleyes:

I believe there is a site(so my wife tells me:innocent:) called "Stitch and Bitch", means you can knit aaaannnnddd bitch at each other at the same time

[oneofsix]

I believe there is a site(so my wife tells me:innocent:) called "Stitch and Bitch", means you can knit aaaannnnddd bitch at each other at the same time

Isn't that what the KB stands for? :innocent:

[Grubber]

And a very worthy subject it is, well illustrated by your OP.
As for the hows and whys you dropped your bike - I was happy to not go there (for the most part). Certainly at that stage, anyway. Others led the way, so I'm not responsible for taking it there. :innocent:
Just to really mix it up, the whole thing is a package deal...the conditions one is riding in, how one is riding, how much attention is being paid, the kind of bike, the gear one is wearing. That was what I was saying here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/137749-Gear-that-saved-my-arse...?p=1130056738#post1130056738)

There's a big difference between me and KM on that score. He believes that gear is not that important in the scheme of things, but I do. Wearing it is your last line of defence if for any reason it all goes tits up. How it saved you should be proof enough of that.


Just to clarify (once again).........

I believe ATGATT is secondary to having the correct attitude as far as trying to ensure our own safety is concerned.

"Not that important in the scheme of things" is, once again, twisting my words.

Bit of bitch fighting between the allies. Jeez, that's not good,,:2guns:


No substance....:shake: Still, no answer as to what your contributions to this thread have to do with the OP.:blink:
:shit:Theres just nothing......your opinion is useless, in fact your whole worthless input into anything I have seen so far is useless.....:shit:
If Quasi has been drinking, you must be mainlining :drool:

Quasi??? drinking????shorely not.
Katman???? mainlining???? Ya just could be right!:yes:

[MSTRS]

And yes, I know how lucky I am that I was wearing appropriate gear...

That wasn't luck, surely?

[skippa1]

That wasn't luck, surely?

Yes it was really, whilst I have always wanted the best gear, it comes at a hefty price and I am lucky that my good woman appreciates me around the house enough to not put the squeeze on the bank account.....:shutup:

[yungatart]

Bit of bitch fighting between the allies. Jeez, that's not good,,:2guns:


That is a fight?????
Do you not get out much?

[baptist]

That is a fight?????
Do you not get out much?
Agreed :yes: :girlfight:a real bitch fight needs a jelly pit...:innocent: mind you considering who we are talking about :sick::sick::puke: (no offence guys!)