Police, defending the innocent? Yet again

[Scuba_Steve]

& the :Police: still wonder why people are losing respect



A business owner is vowing to fight charges of assault and kidnapping for tackling two people who allegedly stole from his business.

Clemence Drilling owner Dave Clemence - whose business yard in Kaiapoi, north of Christchurch, has been repeatedly targeted by thieves - was charged after an incident on April 8 when he and his workers caught and held down two men believed to have stolen diesel from the firm.

Mr Clemence earlier told the Northern Outlook newspaper his workers had held the men down while he called 111 and chased one of them down after he broke free.
He was later asked to make a statement to police and the charges were laid.

"It's unbelievable. Kidnapping? We dropped them off to the police."


Full story here (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10724755)

[unstuck]

Guys were a bit overboard with their restraint or something,threatening the theives or whatever, as you would,well i would anyway. There are some bad attitudes out there amongst the police but i have found(and i have had a bit of experience with them) that they usually dont kick off for no reason.Only my opinion though.:violin:

[mashman]

Feckin insane. My heart goes out to Mr Clemence wether he gave them a slap or not... what was he supposed to do, "no, please, take my stuff, I don;t mind"... pathetic.

[mattsdakar]

& the :Police: still wonder why people are losing respect...

I'm sick of ignorant dorks like yourself posting police bashing comments on here without the facts.

The Clemence guys caught the badies and gave them a beating..justice, yes...but people just can't take the law into their own hands. Now the badies have made an assault complaint which the police are obliged to investigate.
Why should that make the public lose respect of them??? :facepalm:

[Kickaha]

The Clements guys caught the badies and gave them a beating..justice, yes...but people just can't take the law into their own hands. Now the badies have made an assault complaint which the police are obliged to investigate.
Why should that make the public lose respect of them??? :facepalm:

Because we're meant to be able to bash the bad guys if we catch them and they're not meant to be able to use the law to their advantage, simple really

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm sick of ignorant dorks like yourself posting police bashing comments on here without the facts.

The Clements guys caught the badies and gave them a beating..justice, yes...but people just can't take the law into their own hands. Now the badies have made an assault complaint which the police are obliged to investigate.
Why should that make the public lose respect of them??? :facepalm:

and here you are with ALL the facts right? knowing for sure he gave them a good beating & they we're delivered to the cop station battered & bleeding right? right? lest you be one of these "ignorant dorks" you speak of

[Ronin]

and here you are with ALL the facts right? knowing for sure he gave them a good beating & they we're delivered to the cop station battered & bleeding right? right? lest you be one of these "ignorant dorks" you speak of

Well, they did require hospital treatment so that is a fairly good indication. Remember. The police might not 'want' to charge but they have very little choice sometimes.

A few years ago here a gang member tormented some poor sod for months with stand over tactics and extortion. The night he threatened the guys family was just to much. The guy went home, grabbed his shotgun and when the gang member came out of the pub blew his head off. The police more or less shook his hand, thanked him and then he went to prison for quite some time.

[imdying]

and here you are with ALL the facts right?And yourself? Ignorant dork... :facepalm:

[Virago]

As always, the true facts will come out later - in the meantime there's plenty of time for outraged fury to be vented...

It seems highly unlikely that the police would lay charges of kidnapping for simply taking the culprits to the police station. But if they were taken somewhere else first, and given a good beating, then the charge is valid.

We'll see, eh?

[oldrider]

Well, they did require hospital treatment so that is a fairly good indication. Remember. The police might not 'want' to charge but they have very little choice sometimes.

A few years ago here a gang member tormented some poor sod for months with stand over tactics and extortion. The night he threatened the guys family was just to much. The guy went home, grabbed his shotgun and when the gang member came out of the pub blew his head off. The police more or less shook his hand, thanked him and then he went to prison for quite some time.

As my age increases so does the value of that result ... there's not that much life left for them to take! :shifty:

If I could just remember where I left my cartridges! :blink:

[Virago]

Police, defending the innocent? Yet again

Aren't they supposed to defend the innocent?

[scissorhands]

Only state sanctioned departments can do anything like medical, justice, education, religion, food supply, etc

Heaven forbid you can take ANY MATTERS in to your own hand

Wait till hunting and fishing becomes an illegal activity unless sanctioned by the state.

Shouldnt have given them the bash.... maybe one in the stomach

[Edbear]

Just a couple of salient points that some may have missed...

"...injuries to the two men - who are now facing burglary charges - were "consistent with the claims of assault".

He told the Herald yesterday police felt they had sufficient evidence to charge Mr Clemence. Members of the public offering opinions on the case were doing so without all of the facts, Mr Barnett said."


Funny that, people giving their opinion without all the facts? How unlike KB...:innocent:

Now if I caught someone in the act of stealing, I might try to stop them and that may result in injuries. I guess few would sympathise with the alleged thieves, either, but the Police have to uphold and enforce the law, and as the article goes on the mention, in other cases the courts have sided with the defendants and dismised the charges. So in this case the Police may have decided that the assaults were serious enough to lay charges, but will allow the courts to make the judgement, (where judgements are made), rather than the officers.

[Scuba_Steve]

Well, they did require hospital treatment so that is a fairly good indication.


Not always nowadays, they send you to hospital for almost anything for fear of being done on it later. But yes this wasn't in the herald report (media accuracy again) so maybee he did go to far or maybee they were just sustained in the tackle which I can only presume was onto gravel.


Aren't they supposed to defend the innocent?

Thief's aint innocent.

He didn't kill them, torture them or put them on life-support in my opinion the thief's got what they deserved & the dude should be left to get on with it.

It's getting to a point where it will be illegal to defend yourself, someone else or your property. As apparent with the Detective Sergeant's comments


Barnett said a kidnapping charge could include "just detaining someone".

[Virago]

...Thief's aint innocent...

So the police aren't defending the innocent? I think you're a little confused...

[Scuba_Steve]

So the police aren't defending the innocent? I think you're a little confused...

I prefer insane, but thank you for noticing

[Hoon]

But yes this wasn't in the herald report (media accuracy again) so maybee he did go to far or maybee they were just sustained in the tackle which I can only presume was onto gravel.

Yawn. Just like you presumed everything else based on your blinkered one eyed view of the world. Don't jump to conclusions without knowing the facts - you just look like a dumbarse once they do become known.

[red mermaid]

Without fear or favour the job must be done, otherwise you are leaving yourself open to a complaint, and KB is the perfect example of how people love to complain.

[scissorhands]

What sort of message does it send out? I see so many Kroad losers who steal knowingly abusing this situation, as they understand they cant be touched and do a runner if they get caught.

Bit like police car chases eh? Why are they allowed unsafe pursuits which put innocent motorists lives at risk. While in this case Mr Clemence caught someone red handed. He should never had hurt them but they did try to escape and probably struggled

[BoristheBiter]

They should have given them a fucking good hiding then taken them far out into the country and dumped them so they could find there own way back.
No need to involve the police and it would be more than they will get from the courts.

[ellipsis]

...or an even more horrific thing to do to the thieving little cunts, would be to give them a job...

[BoristheBiter]

...or an even more horrific thing to do to the thieving little cunts, would be to give them a job...

Thats just cruel:laugh:

[Spearfish]

Good old legal aid aye?

[scumdog]

and here you are with ALL the facts right? knowing for sure he gave them a good beating & they we're delivered to the cop station battered & bleeding right? right? lest you be one of these "ignorant dorks" you speak of

Mwahahah, good troll:killingme..mighty good troll...:rofl:...it really shows how KB has ranters who act/post on stories somewhat threadbare on fact...:yeah::lol:...woo-hoo, cracker troll S.C....:2thumbsup...just like real life eh!:yes:

[Scuba_Steve]

Mwahahah, good troll:killingme..mighty good troll...:rofl:...it really shows how KB has ranters who act/post on stories somewhat threadbare on fact...:yeah::lol:...woo-hoo, cracker troll S.C....:2thumbsup...just like real life eh!:yes:

hey your the one trolin my threads. But good to see you again SD nice to know your still round.

[tigertim20]

& the :Police: still wonder why people are losing respect



Full story here (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10724755)

In todays paper in Dunedin, two young guys chased,tackled, and held down some guy at 3am in the morning, because he was near their house. These two young guys are being 'hailed as community watch heros' by the police. No word of this guy ACTUALLY doing anything other than looking around.

Yet someone who does the exact same to someone who HAS been stealing from them?

Bit of consistency needed me thinks.

[Gremlin]

Because we're meant to be able to bash the bad guys if we catch them and they're not meant to be able to use the law to their advantage, simple really
I never thought that this was a complex idea? Real simple, and sorts things out... :scratch: Just don't leave too many marks.

Having been in construction previously, its ridiculous getting ripped off... they gain far far less than the cost of putting things back etc. You involve the police, they organise a cute little family conference (if they're juvenile) or say, sorry, no leads. Chance of things happening again? Pretty much 100%.

Give the fuckers a hiding, promise more if they come back... Problem sorted.

[jaffaonajappa]

& the :Police: still wonder why people are losing respect



Errr Nope. Cant lose respect when they had none to start with...

[unstuck]

In bagging the cops, I mean i have a record that would make some people shit. But if you are not doing anything wrong, there should be no reason for them to hassle you.I find it really funny when people start going on about fucking pigs giving me a speeding ticket or some shit like ,I got pulled over by this fucking pig and he gave me a ticket for no warrant or rego the cunt. They were doing their job,thats what they do. If you cant do the time or pay the fine,then dont do shit that is gonna get you pinged.Not respecting someone because of their job is a bit lame in my opinion. :violin:

[meteor]

Bit like police car chases eh? Why are they allowed unsafe pursuits which put innocent motorists lives at risk.

Probably because limp dick judges AND prosecutions are condoning the failing to stop by negotiating that charge away as an administrative breach in order to get a plea on others like dangerous/reckless/EBA etc. That, together with the media frenzy surrounding pursuits and the police being maligned by the very public IPCA watchdog at every turn (and Goddard is a dog with some of her decisions and statements)... where was I... If the offence of failing to stop was censured appropriately that then would be a deterrent. But what irks me most of all is the police getting criticised for doing exactly what they're supposed to do... apprehend crims and keep me safe. And about the "unsafe pursuits" If the crims didn't run there wouldn't be pursuits... do you suggest not pursuing?... is that the community you want?

[marie_speeds]

In bagging the cops, I mean i have a record that would make some people shit. But if you are not doing anything wrong, there should be no reason for them to hassle you.I find it really funny when people start going on about fucking pigs giving me a speeding ticket or some shit like ,I got pulled over by this fucking pig and he gave me a ticket for no warrant or rego the cunt. They were doing their job,thats what they do. If you cant do the time or pay the fine,then dont do shit that is gonna get you pinged.Not respecting someone because of their job is a bit lame in my opinion. :violin:

Is that why you call them fucking pigs instead of law enforcement officers?

[unstuck]

Is that why you call them fucking pigs instead of law enforcement officers?

Read it again,and then think really carefully before you reply.:innocent:

[BoristheBiter]

Read it again,and then think really carefully before you reply.:innocent:

You just need to put quote marks " " in your post. you should know by now how KB likes to read posts the wrong way:facepalm:

Me, i got what you meant

[unstuck]

You just need to put quote marks " " in your post. you should know by now how KB likes to read posts the wrong way:facepalm:

Me, i got what you meant

Yeah, my bad, Im hopeless at English and stuff.:facepalm::whocares:

[marie_speeds]

Read it again,and then think really carefully before you reply.:innocent:

I have and your final line is....

Not respecting someone because of their job is a bit lame in my opinion. :violin:

Calling them fucking pigs instead of law enforcement officers is disrespectful, so does that make you lame in your own opinion?

[unstuck]

I have and your final line is....


Calling them fucking pigs instead of law enforcement officers is disrespectful, so does that make you lame in your own opinion?

Nice try,:third::yes:

[marie_speeds]

Nice try,:third::yes:

:msn-wink::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Hoon]

Calling them fucking pigs instead of law enforcement officers is disrespectful, so does that make you lame in your own opinion?
Relax...he's on your side. He didn't call them that, just quoted someone that did - only without the quotes.

[marie_speeds]

Relax...he's on your side. He didn't call them that, just quoted someone that did - only without the quotes.

We've already sorted it out...... :D

[SPman]

They should have given them a fucking good hiding then taken them far out into the country and dumped them so they could find there own way back.
No need to involve the police and it would be more than they will get from the courts. If you're going to involve the law, you have to do it by the book - if you're going to deal summary retribution, which they did, better to do it this way - with a proviso that "we know who you are now - complain about it and next time........."

[unstuck]

I took the law into my own hands and dished out a bit of justice to a tealeaf that was helping himself from my shed, and it cost me $980+court costs. Am I bitter about it,no. Would i do it again,yes.I know better, the law could of handled him and did because i had good proof, but the thing for me was a feeling of satisfaction.I dont hate the law because they were doing their job any more than i would the rubbish man for doing his. Both the same in a way i guess, they are both taking the rubbish off the streets. And if im the piece of rubbish that needs taking off the street,so be it,in life if you fuck up you should harden up and take the consequences of it IMO.I certainly wouldt like their job.:yes: