XBox or PS? [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

Hawkeye

14th May 2011, 20:44

Usarka

14th May 2011, 20:52

If it wasn't for teh recent PSN security breach and outage I'd say PS3.

Even so I'd still say PS3.

Because it has bluray.

And it's black.

98tls

14th May 2011, 20:53

For the same money you could buy a tent and some fishing gear:woohoo:Handy in the game called "life".No offence intended fella at all,just couldnt resist.

oneofsix

14th May 2011, 20:55

Paul in NZ

14th May 2011, 21:03

Spend the cash on petrol fer yer bike? (then break out mario carts on the N64)

bogan

14th May 2011, 21:07

However the games you wish to play can dictate your choice.

Halo, and Forza series, need I say more?

Hawkeye

14th May 2011, 21:20

For the same money you could buy a tent and some fishing gear:woohoo:Handy in the game called "life".No offence intended fella at all,just couldnt resist.

No offence taken. Got the tent and fishing gear already. Just want something to while away the odd few hours between the dreaded work thing and the sleeping thing when I'm not out riding.

EJK

14th May 2011, 21:23

Sometimes (as importantly) depends on what specific games you'd like to play.

GT5, God Of War, KillZone = PS3

Halo, Forza and some other = XBOX

Scuba_Steve

14th May 2011, 21:25

Halo, and Forza series, need I say more?

yes, yes u must... Halo? halo? that game got old a long time ago. I could have accepted Gears but halo?:blink:

But yea the box has gears, forza (& halo if your that way inclined), & the PS3 has everything else. I say put your money to the PS3, as people have said bluray is good, but the PS3 is also an awesome media server, has a range of games for everyone & when hackers aint hassling sony the online play is free.

FYI for those not up with the play "Gears" is Gears Of War

Usarka

14th May 2011, 21:26

Sometimes (as importantly) depends on what specific games you'd like to play.

GT5, God Of War, KillZone = PS3

Halo, Forza and some other = XBOX

PS3 = bluray
PSN = free (when it works but they steal your credit card details)

IdunBrokdItAgin

14th May 2011, 21:26

Ok, I've done a search and found some old threads discussing this but nothing more recent.

Have had an N64 in the past and bought a wii for the kids/family games a couple of years ago. Also played Half Life etc on the PC. Kids have also had a ps1 and ps2 which I've used on the odd occasion.

Now thinking about getting a console and can't decide on which one.

So..... Xbox or PS ?

I've got an old XBOX360 listed on trademe - closes on sunday if you are interested.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=374482735

Having owned both I'd say the PS3 has the edge (but does cost more).

PS3 only has the edge as it can do more (blueray player and digital TV recorder - with Play TV accessory). It's just a bit more versatile - which is why I changed over.

If you are just going to use it for gaming then go for an XBOX360 (as it's cheaper). Both are equal as gaming machines.

PS3 is free to play online XBOX isn't (but having said that the PS3 online network has been shut down for nearly a month - will be back up at the end of May apparently).

Oblivion

14th May 2011, 21:27

(then break out mario carts on the N64)

The story of my life :yes:

I can still remember playing it as a kid. Ah the good times :love:

Kendog

14th May 2011, 21:27

360 for gaming.
PS3 for bluray.

superman

14th May 2011, 21:28

Halo, and Forza series, need I say more?

Agreed. I'd stick with Xbox, even though I sold mine to afford the bike. But when I get the money again it'll be back to Xbox, there are no dedicated PS3 games as amazing as the Halo and Forza series ooo and don't forget fable (if you're into it). Plus the controller is oodles better than that bloody PS3 shit.

I always used to consider PS2 over Xbox when GTA was sony dedicated. But now that's multi-platform I'm happy to XBOX. Though blu-ray would be handy... and free internet play would be nice... but naaa XBOX definitely.... I think...

Fuck now I'm not sure anymore!

sil3nt

14th May 2011, 21:31

Neither save your money. I have both (well my brothers but they left the country) and the PS3 is the only one that gets used. Mainly because the flatmates have games for it i barely touch the thing.

360 - cheaper

PS3 - bluray (you have to be an uber geek to notice quality over a dvd), free online gaming

YellowDog

14th May 2011, 21:33

The first XBox kit was released too early not ready for prime time.

IMO - PS3 is better kit.

Blue Ray means nothing unless you want to go out and rebuy all your DVDs at 3x the pirce.

Like has already been said, make sure the games you plan to run are supported on whatever you go for.

Scuba_Steve

14th May 2011, 21:39

360 - cheaper, better quality graphics (don't (http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/xbox-360-versus-playstation-3-graphics-comparison) argue (http://www.gamespot.com/features/6171831/xbox-360-versus-playstation-3-graphics-comparison-round-2))

I'm sorry I have to..., your right but ONLY on multi-platform, if it is built up exclusive, the PS3 does pull out superior graphics. Also it's only cheaper if you don't plan on getting Bluray or playing online

PS3 - bluray (you have to be an uber geek to notice quality over a dvd), free online gaming
Again I have to here to, No you don't saying that is like saying you have to be a uber geek to notice the quality difference between VHS & DVD

huff3r

14th May 2011, 21:47

I'm sorry I have to..., your right but ONLY on multi-platform, if it is built up exclusive, the PS3 does pull out superior graphics. Also it's only cheaper if you don't plan on getting Bluray or playing online

Again I have to here to, No you don't saying that is like saying you have to be a uber geek to notice the quality difference between VHS & DVD

Especially if you have a big TV, the difference with blu-ray is quite noticeable! Comparable to the difference between a grainy old CRT and a nice smooth LCD really :D

Elysium

14th May 2011, 22:04

Use to own an Xbox 360 but sold it to get a PS3 as I felt the Xbox was too limited. Blu-Ray is bloody good on an HD tv and sound system. One thing that bugged me about the Xbox was its storage limitation so games are limited in size.

Game developers who want to makes games for both consoles are limited by the Xbox's storage capacity campared to Blu-Ray. The one thing I love about the PS3 is its very good as a mulitmedia system compared to the Xbox.

PS3 - bluray (you have to be an uber geek to notice quality over a dvd), free online gaming

I aint no geek but notice the picture and sound are far better. Maybe you're still using an old CRT tv?

onearmedbandit

15th May 2011, 00:09

PS3 -
[LIST]
Blu Ray - On an HDTV you'd have to be blind not to notice the difference.
DVD Upscaling
PSN network
Media server
Easily upgradeable HDD
Wifi networking

Usarka

15th May 2011, 00:19

PS3 -
[LIST]
Blu Ray - On an HDTV you'd have to be blind not to notice the difference.
DVD Upscaling
PSN network
Media server
Easily upgradeable HDD
Wifi networking

XBox.......

onearmedbandit

15th May 2011, 00:20

XBox.......

Yep, definitely XBox.

\m/

15th May 2011, 00:27

I've got both, the x360 is my pick of the two as it has a far superior controller, my ps3 is onlyy used to play exclusives.

Usarka

15th May 2011, 00:48

I've got both, the x360 is my pick of the two as it has a far superior controller, my ps3 is onlyy used to play exclusives.

Serious????

What sort of TV and sound system do you have?

\m/

15th May 2011, 01:28

I'm using a 24 inch viewsonic computer monitor and some cheap logitech pc speakers.

wysper

15th May 2011, 08:20

On the ps3 note a couple of negatives - at least to my mind. I own the PS3

- dvd playback is NOT open zone - restricted to zone 4 only
- its online gaming is free but a bit rubbish
- it has the worst browser in the known world - if you are using it for web or anything it is extremely painful

I hardly ever use it now, infact I think I will end up going back to PC gaming rather than console gaming.

Clockwork

15th May 2011, 08:50

Just one more point to add in favour of the PS3..... If its going to live in your living room, its looks are subdued and stylish and most omportant of all, when its running it's almost inaudable.

Mine is networked to my PC and home theatre, I no longer own a stereo, all my music is ripped to the computer and the PS3 plays it through the home theatre. Also plays downloaded films and the family photos on the TV.

sil3nt

15th May 2011, 08:54

I'm sorry I have to..., your right but ONLY on multi-platform, if it is built up exclusive, the PS3 does pull out superior graphics. Also it's only cheaper if you don't plan on getting Bluray or playing onlineHey i edited that bit out :bleh:

TV certainly makes a difference with bluray. Guess im the only one stuck with a small piece of shit!

Scuba_Steve

15th May 2011, 10:20

PS3
- Free online play
- Awesome media server
- Bluray
- Quiet operation
- Reliable
- Awesome exclusives
- Games for all ages all types
- Controller
- Bluetooth
- Non-proprietary components
- Region free games
- Better upscaling of DVD's/videos

360
- Voice chat between games
- Couple of excellent core-gamer games (Gears, Forza, (& some say Halo too))
- Controller
- "better" online experience
- slightly better looking multi-platform games

*controller is in both lists, while the xbox has a better form factor, the quality & buttons on PS3 are much better plus the PS3 has an internal rechargeable batt & runs bluetooth. As for RT vs R2 that depends on game & use.
At the end of the day 360 controller is wicked for the likes of Gears & Halo, but I'd much rather play Fifa or Uncharted on PS3 controller.

sil3nt

15th May 2011, 10:58

The 360 can be made into a media server as well can't it? I had a lot of trouble getting movies to play off my PC onto the TV through the PS3 without the videos stuttering. Got there in the end though! (wireless problem not a ps3 problem).

racefactory

15th May 2011, 11:51

Forza is enough reason to get a 360. Gt5 is just shit, I was so looking forward to it... a real failure.

SMOKEU

15th May 2011, 12:13

Gaming consoles are shit. They're just toys, if you want to do some gaming then build up a proper gaming computer so you're not stuck playing crappy console ports all day with their low resolutions and shitty graphics.

Scuba_Steve

15th May 2011, 13:46

The 360 can be made into a media server as well can't it?
Yea kinda, but nowhere near as good

Gaming consoles are shit. They're just toys, if you want to do some gaming then build up a proper gaming computer so you're not stuck playing crappy console ports all day with their low resolutions and shitty graphics.
But instead stuck with driver updates, incompatibilities, high cost of ownership, hackers, no exceptional exclusives, less multi-platform games, ever increasing DRM's & their problems etc, etc.

Been there done that I'll stick to console gaming thank you very much mr PC fanboy man

SMOKEU

15th May 2011, 14:23

Yea kinda, but nowhere near as good

But instead stuck with driver updates, incompatibilities, high cost of ownership, hackers, no exceptional exclusives, less multi-platform games, ever increasing DRM's & their problems etc, etc.

Been there done that I'll stick to console gaming thank you very much mr PC fanboy man

Just my video card alone is worth more than a PS3 or Xbox 360, there is no console that has anywhere near the power of a decent gaming computer.

Once you've played Crysis or BF BC2 on a good PC you'll see the difference is like night and day compared to the consoles.

Oh, and the consoles are still stuck in the DX9 era.

Kendog

15th May 2011, 15:01

SMOKEU

15th May 2011, 15:05

As you point out PC gaming is expensive, that's one of the main reasons I converted to console.

Oh yes, it's very expensive. You're looking at $2.5K+ for a decent one.

One of the bonuses with PC gaming is that games are very easily pirated, it's just a matter of downloading a torrent to get the games for free.

However, online games can't really be pirated.

Scuba_Steve

15th May 2011, 15:29

Just my video card alone is worth more than a PS3 or Xbox 360, there is no console that has anywhere near the power of a decent gaming computer.

Once you've played Crysis or BF BC2 on a good PC you'll see the difference is like night and day compared to the consoles.

Oh, and the consoles are still stuck in the DX9 era.

I have played Crysis maxed out & yes it looks pretty, but you do know MGS4 was rated better GFX ay? and you also know the PC needs to be about 4x-10x as powerful to render the same GFX as a console (because of DirectX). Console games can have lots of different looking things on screen PC can only have lots of the same looking things on screen (as below)

From AMD/ATi
On consoles, you can draw maybe 10,000 or 20,000 chunks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30-60fps. On a PC, you can't typically draw more than 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance and certainly a maximum amount of 5,000, and that's quite surprising - the PC can actually show you only a tenth of the performance

But that aside yes the PC can far out upscale the GFX of the console.

One of the bonuses with PC gaming is that games are very easily pirated, it's just a matter of downloading a torrent to get the games for free.

even with the "backup" option I found upgrading the HW all the time (& really only mid-range HW too) cost bout the same as buying a console & all the games at the end of the day, & at-least with console I was guaranteed it would work & look decent, no driver problems or incompatibilities & online play has far less to no hackers which makes playing online a hell of a lot more fun too :yes:

blackdog

15th May 2011, 15:59

PS3

MGS and Asassins Creed.

yeah!

sil3nt

15th May 2011, 16:12

PS3

MGS and Asassins Creed.

yeah!Can't really argue with this! Fantastic games. Felt a bit let down by the second Assassins Creed but the first one was awesome. Haven't got around to playing the latest one.

Metal Gear Solid is a must play. Skip the videos if you want to finish the game before you die of old age though.

SMOKEU

15th May 2011, 16:24

I have played Crysis maxed out & yes it looks pretty, but you do know MGS4 was rated better GFX ay? and you also know the PC needs to be about 4x-10x as powerful to render the same GFX as a console (because of DirectX). Console games can have lots of different looking things on screen PC can only have lots of the same looking things on screen (as below)

From AMD/ATi
On consoles, you can draw maybe 10,000 or 20,000 chunks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30-60fps. On a PC, you can't typically draw more than 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance and certainly a maximum amount of 5,000, and that's quite surprising - the PC can actually show you only a tenth of the performance

But that aside yes the PC can far out upscale the GFX of the console.

even with the "backup" option I found upgrading the HW all the time (& really only mid-range HW too) cost bout the same as buying a console & all the games at the end of the day, & at-least with console I was guaranteed it would work & look decent, no driver problems or incompatibilities & online play has far less to no hackers which makes playing online a hell of a lot more fun too :yes:

In saying that, you're still limited to a low resolution (720p) on a console. Yes, you can upscale the resolution to 1080p, but in that case it's still only really 720p.

I haven't run into driver issues for a very long time, even with the notoriously bad AMD GPU drivers.

Then again, on a PC you don't have to upgrade all that often because as long as you get a decent processor, that should last 3 years and it's cheap and easy to add another GPU in Crossfire/SLI.

But as far as the eye candy is concerned, there is just no way a console can compare with a good PC.

Check this thread out here about the original Crysis http://www.freakygaming.com/pc/action/crysis/reality_vs_ingame_comparison.html

PS - FPS suck when you're using a game controller!

onearmedbandit

15th May 2011, 19:49

PS3 is 1080P.

And GT5 rocks.

Elysium

15th May 2011, 20:20

In saying that, you're still limited to a low resolution (720p) on a console. Yes, you can upscale the resolution to 1080p, but in that case it's still only really 720p.

I haven't run into driver issues for a very long time, even with the notoriously bad AMD GPU drivers.

Then again, on a PC you don't have to upgrade all that often because as long as you get a decent processor, that should last 3 years and it's cheap and easy to add another GPU in Crossfire/SLI.

But as far as the eye candy is concerned, there is just no way a console can compare with a good PC.

Check this thread out here about the original Crysis http://www.freakygaming.com/pc/action/crysis/reality_vs_ingame_comparison.html

PS - FPS suck when you're using a game controller!

Like game developers in the day, I was pro PC. But like me they realised it was easier, cheaper and more convenient to build software around the consoles. Problem with PC's is they're not the same as everyone's computer is differant.

Sable

15th May 2011, 23:26

You can build an extremely decent gaming computer for 1.7k. I know I did. Having used and lived with both and owned neither, and ignoring the respective exclusive games, which both consoles have equivalents for, the PS3 is a vastly superior piece of hardware. Add to that it's almost inaudible compared to the xBox and no red ring of death (the xBox has a very bad reputation for hardware failure).

SMOKEU

16th May 2011, 00:29

You can build an extremely decent gaming computer for 1.7k. I know I did.

For that price you'd have to go without the i7 and SSD...

Don't forget the RAID1 setup either.

onearmedbandit

16th May 2011, 00:53

Didn't take long for the PC guys to show up in a thread that has no relevance to them lol. Yes yes the graphics etc etc are far superior on a decent PC. And that's reflected in the price. For good old-fashioned easy fun you can't beat a console. Put in game disc and play. Simple. No updating drivers, fine tuning settings, closing background applications. No hassles setting up a network. I've had a high end rig (at the time) and sure it was great, but sometimes they are just too involved.

Anyway, like I said this has no relevance. He's asking about consoles, not PC's. It's like someone asking what bike to get and someone saying he should get himself a car as they have a roof, air-cond, a stereo and comfier seats.

wysper

16th May 2011, 07:17

No updating drivers,

Bloody sony is constantly releasing updates to the machine, the games require updates to play online.

Some of the updates brick the unit.

Still I would have to agree mostly the consoles are plug and play, which is why I currently have a ps3. But I am seriously considering going back to PC play.

Gubb

16th May 2011, 07:31

Bloody sony is constantly releasing updates to the machine, the games require updates to play online.

Some of the updates brick the unit.

Still I would have to agree mostly the consoles are plug and play, which is why I currently have a ps3. But I am seriously considering going back to PC play.
Drivers and game Patches are two completely different things......

Both of which you still have PC anyway.
FWIW, I'd go PS3. i use it for games maybe once a month, but as a media server on a daily basis.

imdying

16th May 2011, 09:50

For good old-fashioned easy fun you can't beat a console. Put in game disc and play. Simple. No updating drivers, fine tuning settings, closing background applications. No hassles setting up a network.I disagree.

Every second or third time I go to play a game on my PS3, it requires another 45 minute update. Put the disc in and play my arse... put the disc in and wait wait wait wait... at least on a PC there is a button to skip the update. You remember when you gave me the 787 right?

I expect when the PSN comes back, it'll be some 2-3 hour download which will be forced on me, unless I figure out which menu item to disconnect the net, or worse, have to do it by pulling the cable... but I won't have enough space on the PS3 to get it... but it won't let me delete stuff... unless I login as the specific user that last used the PlayTV to delete their files, etc etc etc...

The PS3 is just a pain in the arse.

Actually, no, the Apple-esque Sony jump through the hoops how I tell you bullshit is the pain in the arse, the PS3 itself is lovely, cheap and quiet with wireless controllers. It does lots of things ok, but for gaming, I'll take a PC any day.

imdying

16th May 2011, 09:58

Some of the updates brick the unit.You are fucking joking right?

Given their closed platform, that is 100% completely unacceptable. Fuck Sony (and I don't even care one iota about the PSN fiasco).

Eyegasm

16th May 2011, 12:46

Arrrrhhhhh....

The age old arguement.

People that whine about controllers need to research, there are adapters.
Even mouse/keyboard options for those that like that.

I prefer my PS3 as it has more to offer me. (Killzone 3 is 3D)

Xbox for Forza only!!! Was extremely disappointed in GT5
Forza 3 > GT5

Has Xbox got 3D games yet?

imdying

16th May 2011, 13:17

People that whine about controllers need to research, there are adapters.
Even mouse/keyboard options for those that like that.I'm lazy and you sound like you've been there... you can play FPS or GTA games on a PS3 with a mouse and keyboard? :blink: Tell us more :yes: :yes:

/edit: yoink (http://www.xcm.cc/xfps_rateup_adapter_for_ps_3.htm)

Product Feature:

Compatible with all PS3 games

Compatible with all versions of PS 3 (NTSC/US , PAL, NTSC/JAP)

Can map the controller button keys to any key of the Keyboard

Compatible with 95% of different kinds of mouse and Keyboard.

High sensitivity, precision and smoothness.

Can adjust the mouse sensitivity from 2 extra wheels with 16 levels of adjustment for X and Y sensitivity to adapt perfectly to every mice.

Built in Turbo (Auto Fire) functionality. Independent Auto fire buttons: Eight customizable auto-fire buttons (no soldering required)
Plug & Play - Just connect the XFPS RATEUP to PS3. (no PC required)
Ease of use: Just use the original PS3 controller to re-map itself to the keyboard.
Both controller analog stick keys can also be mapped to the keyboard.

Only question now is whether the implementation is steaming pile of dog shit or not...

avgas

16th May 2011, 14:43

(the xBox has a very bad reputation for hardware failure).
But a fantastic warranty scheme. On xbox no.3 now........never paid a single $ after first one......Seem to fail after 2-3 years unless you have an additional fan setup.

Current one does have the add. fans and is on year 3 now.

avgas

16th May 2011, 14:49

Sit down and look at what games you want to play. Pretty much dictates the console as one will have a game you want and the other wont.

Game wise I prefer the games on xbox360.........but I prefer the PS3 console.
Got the 360 because it made financial sense ($300 last time I checked) and if your only using it to play games on a normal TV.

However if you have the flashest 50" with awesome surround sound......lets just say money is not your objective. You would be looking at PS3 for the "drinking games" and a Alienware PC for the real gaming.

SMOKEU

16th May 2011, 15:04

Alienware PC for the real gaming.

Alienware are shit for the amount of money they cost.

imdying

16th May 2011, 15:26

Alienware are shit for the amount of money they cost.Yeah, but at some times they have access to tech you can't get anywhere else... e.g. Weren't they first off the block with Quad SLI for a wee while due to licensing?

racefactory

16th May 2011, 15:41

I was very excited about getting a PS3 but then I played GT5 and couldn't believe how shit it was. A complete joke, what were they doing the whole time developing that?

Had a 360 since it came out and never had any hardware failure or any of that rubbish, so with Forza and BC2 to play there is no point in a PS3 for me for the time being.

kiwifruit

16th May 2011, 15:48

I played GT5 and couldn't believe how shit it was

GT5 is pretty cool online, with a proper wheel and pedal set up.

PSN back online btw!

imdying

16th May 2011, 16:16

I was very excited about getting a PS3 but then I played GT5 and couldn't believe how shit it was. A complete joke, what were they doing the whole time developing that?I did wonder the same thing myself... until I was shown that Red Bull Cup car :blink:

Fun times for sure...

I'm not really qualified to comment though I guess, I'd only play a game once a month if that. Mostly because I can't be bothered waiting for the PS3 to update itself every time. I've been told I can disconnect the net via a menu option somewhere, but the wife uses it to watch TVNZ On Demand and I'm not going to inconvenience her (by forgetting to set it back) just so I can play some second rate console action.

racefactory

16th May 2011, 16:16

The one thing that they did right in GT5 however is the rain racing, got to love that shit. Immense...

avgas

16th May 2011, 16:30

Alienware are shit for the amount of money they cost.
Do you own one?

SMOKEU

16th May 2011, 18:13

Yeah, but at some times they have access to tech you can't get anywhere else... e.g. Weren't they first off the block with Quad SLI for a wee while due to licensing?

I'm not too sure about the quad SLI, I've had a look on Wikipedia about it and it doesn't say anything about Alienware quad SLI.

Were you meaning 2 dual GPU cards, or 4 single GPU cards?

Do you own one?

I've got something even better for just over half the price.

onearmedbandit

16th May 2011, 20:14

Bloody sony is constantly releasing updates to the machine, the games require updates to play online.

Some of the updates brick the unit.

Still I would have to agree mostly the consoles are plug and play, which is why I currently have a ps3. But I am seriously considering going back to PC play.

Yup, no argument about the number of updates, but on a good connection the longest ones don't take too long. But mostly my point is, even the updates are plug and play, whereas you can spend ages searching the 'net finding out why your game isn't working on your PC, only to find out eventually that the latest driver is no good for your game and you have to uninstall.

Zerker

16th May 2011, 21:04

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I work in a store that sells TV's gaming consoles and home theater systems.
so when I purchased my home entertainment package I had a lot of choices and at floor cost too.
I went for a mid range 3D Full HD LED 40" TV, PS3 bundle with play TV a new cabinet and a basic surround sound package. the same setup with an XboX 360 would have cost me more........ a 3D blue ray player with twin tuners and HDD recording costs more than the PS3 play TV bundle, and then you'd have the cost of the console on top as well.

if you want all those in one (3D, Blueray, my freeview (twin tuners and HDD) get a PS3, if you dun care and all you want is a cheap console get an Xbox it does almost everything else that the PS3 can do that I haven't listed (it can do 3D too, but not 3D blue rays just gaming).

oh yeah and when you buy a console bundle they are almost all sold at or below cost (everywhere, to stay competitive) they make money on your games not on the hardware, you can get a ps3 for like $699.00 (320GB version) or you can get the PS3 Play TV bundle for the same price. other consoles same deal, the console costs more than a bundle get the free extras :P.

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Sable

16th May 2011, 22:00

For that price you'd have to go without the i7 and SSD...

Don't forget the RAID1 setup either.

That's a load of wank haha. I have a mildly overclocked i5 760 and an AMD 6950. Thats the important part

SMOKEU

16th May 2011, 22:29

That's a load of wank haha. I have a mildly overclocked i5 760 and an AMD 6950. Thats the important part

If it's a reference model have you flashed it to a 6970?

Sable

17th May 2011, 16:23

I did and the performance was awesome but the heat and noise just wasn't worth it.

SMOKEU

17th May 2011, 17:00

I did and the performance was awesome but the heat and noise just wasn't worth it.

They're not that noisy unless the fan is over 50%. Just use MSI Afterburner to set your own custom fan profile and you're away laughing. I've heard they scale very well in CF as well.

Hawkeye

17th May 2011, 17:21

Bloody hell! talk about opening a can of worms.....:facepalm:

Now thinking about getting a console and can't decide on which one.

So..... Xbox or PS ?

Sit down and look at what games you want to play. Pretty much dictates the console as one will have a game you want and the other wont.

Thanks avgas :niceone:

not interested in blueray, high end pc, 50" HDD etc.

Just want to blast a few things, drive a few things and generally jump from place to place and also have a few games for my daughter to play.

So based on avgas's suggestion, I've looked around and will probably go for the xbox with Kinnex so I can get some of the kids games (similar to wii) and something like Halo for myself.

IdunBrokdItAgin

17th May 2011, 17:28

Strange that there are so many comments about Crysis.

I've just finished Crysis 2 (never played the first one) on the PS3 and it was a standout game, graphics are very good and the gameplay is great mix of stealth & shooting. Fully recommend it for someone looking for a good shooter (as good as Killzone 3).

Looking forward to the online mutliplayer now (the loadout options look quite interesting).

P.s. my XBOX360 (with games) sold for $240 on trademe, to give you an idea of how much the second hand, older models, are going for.

SMOKEU

17th May 2011, 17:30

Elysium

17th May 2011, 17:42

Bloody hell! talk about opening a can of worms.....:facepalm:
Haven't seen any waving yet.

Scuba_Steve

17th May 2011, 17:55

Haven't seen any waving yet.

here ya go :wavey:

Camshaft

17th May 2011, 18:49

.......... but we have bikes??????

Sable

17th May 2011, 19:41

They're not that noisy unless the fan is over 50%. Just use MSI Afterburner to set your own custom fan profile and you're away laughing. I've heard they scale very well in CF as well. I used Afterburner specifically to set the fan higher as I was getting artifacts from overheating with the 6970 bios flashed.

SMOKEU

17th May 2011, 21:18

I used Afterburner specifically to set the fan higher as I was getting artifacts from overheating with the 6970 bios flashed.

Have you checked the TIM? Mine stays under 70°C under heavy load (at stock clocks and volts) and the fan doesn't go much over 35%.

IdunBrokdItAgin

17th May 2011, 21:45

onearmedbandit

17th May 2011, 22:42

Just played GT5 for the first time, only put up with it for half an hour.

Fully agree with the other posters who said it was shite - the gameplay is about as involved as "Outrun" from the 80s.

Hahahahaha, really you gave it a whole 30 minutes? Wow, great review there. Sure the game is not without fault, but if you really give it a go you can not deny the physics, graphics (for the most part) and demands the game can place on you. Try racing the 24hr 'ring with weather.

Eyegasm

26th May 2011, 15:36

Has anyone upgraded their PS3 hard drive?

I am looking at doing it soon and wanted to know others experiences.

Scuba_Steve

26th May 2011, 15:39

Has anyone upgraded their PS3 hard drive?

I am looking at doing it soon and wanted to know others experiences.

yep took my 80GB to my laptops old 250GB it's as simple as taking 1 out & putting the other in, just a standard SATA once thats done you'll need the firmware on a USB drive format the drive & your done. Simple ay :yes:

Obviously if you want to transfer files, do a Trophy sync, backup HDD onto a ext FAT32 drive then when new drive ready restore back on

Added note: beware of some ext cases tho, they "turn off" USB if disconnected & won't "turn on" again until re-plugged or turned off then on, so during the restart phase of restore you may have to be on hand to unplug/turn off then plug-in/turn on the drive while the PS3 resets (usually only a prob with 3.5" mains powered drives, 2.5" usually fine)

SMOKEU

26th May 2011, 17:11

If you're going to put in a new HD then put in a SSD. They're sooooo much better than a HDD!

sil3nt

26th May 2011, 17:21

If you're going to put in a new HD then put in a SSD. They're sooooo much better than a HDD!And so much more expensive! I will wait a few years until i get an SSD. Almost got one the other month glad i didn't though.

Scuba_Steve

26th May 2011, 17:26

If you're going to put in a new HD then put in a SSD. They're sooooo much better than a HDD!

If your "better" is speed related i'd agree bank for buck HDD still dominate
but anyways what your claiming works in Computer world, not PS3 world.
1. SSD's are still WAY overpriced
2. PS3 only has SATA, your not going to see a speed difference at that level
3. PS3 doesn't do anything with the HDD warranting SSD speed (especially not with the cost that goes with them), chances are you aint either.

SMOKEU

26th May 2011, 18:45

And so much more expensive! I will wait a few years until i get an SSD. Almost got one the other month glad i didn't though.

If your "better" is speed related i'd agree bank for buck HDD still dominate
but anyways what your claiming works in Computer world, not PS3 world.
1. SSD's are still WAY overpriced
2. PS3 only has SATA, your not going to see a speed difference at that level
3. PS3 doesn't do anything with the HDD warranting SSD speed (especially not with the cost that goes with them), chances are you aint either.

SSDs are very expensive, although they are worth every cent. 7200RPM SATA drives tend to have a seek time of around 12ms, a SSD is normally around 0.1ms. The sequential read speeds of a good SSD are usually over 200MB/s - way faster than a disk drive. It doesn't matter if the data isn't sequential either because of those low seek times.

ckai

26th May 2011, 20:02

Bloody hell! talk about opening a can of worms.....:facepalm:
Thanks avgas :niceone:

not interested in blueray, high end pc, 50" HDD etc.

Just want to blast a few things, drive a few things and generally jump from place to place and also have a few games for my daughter to play.

So based on avgas's suggestion, I've looked around and will probably go for the xbox with Kinnex so I can get some of the kids games (similar to wii) and something like Halo for myself.

You get the 'box yet??

I'm a PS man myself. Always have been. I recently sold the idea to Mrs Wifey because she wanted a HD recorder. "It'll only cost $200 more and we can sell everything else. It's a no brainer. I don't want one but you want a recorder" :)

Worked a treat. Now it's our media centre plugged into the big screen and full surround. Stream media from computers to it for TV, and from the phones. Do the freeview record thing (which I think is heaps better than the old box we had. Bluetooth keyboard and mouse for backup internet (cause you never know when you'll have 3 people on the 'net :)). It's brilliant.

And I actually love Move on it. Cool shooting shit up like the arcade days, smashing the shit out of someone and playing table tennis. Wifey especially likes Move. Friends that have Wii prefer it too. More accurate and not as naff they said. Dunno how it compares to Kinect but I've heard there's nothing in it. The sex-toy like controller is a bit gay but apparently essential for the accuracy and it is accurate even in low light.

I'm actually very stoked with it as a whole. It "completes me" (oh and our entertainment setup) :) It's much more than games.

PS. And who ever the people were that mentioned the controllers are better on xbox...who in there right mind would make concave buttons that you have to press hard!?!?! Pure Dumb that is. They're also too big for my little girly hands but I do like how they can clip in to charge.

onearmedbandit

26th May 2011, 20:14

If your "better" is speed related i'd agree bank for buck HDD still dominate
but anyways what your claiming works in Computer world, not PS3 world.
1. SSD's are still WAY overpriced
2. PS3 only has SATA, your not going to see a speed difference at that level
3. PS3 doesn't do anything with the HDD warranting SSD speed (especially not with the cost that goes with them), chances are you aint either.

Interesting, I've seen comparisons between between the two and loading times/menu access times have dropped considerably, some by 50%.

Scuba_Steve

27th May 2011, 08:21

Interesting, I've seen comparisons between between the two and loading times/menu access times have dropped considerably, some by 50%.

really? best drop I've seen is a few secs, maybee 10% at best. Still nothing warranting the price, I'd (like most) would rather stick with cheaper price & larger space (after all the latter is usually why we're upgrading

imdying

27th May 2011, 09:27

a good SSD are usually over 200MB/s - way faster than a disk drive.That's what he just said to you... the PS3 uses a SATA interface, which is only 150 MB/s peak.

imdying

27th May 2011, 09:27

Interesting, I've seen comparisons between between the two and loading times/menu access times have dropped considerably, some by 50%.Any links? I had a look about but there didn't seem to much in it, closer to 10% for most things :(

Elysium

28th May 2011, 12:45

PS4 comming soonish.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/5069004/Sony-confirms-work-on-PlayStation-4

Scuba_Steve

28th May 2011, 13:04

PS4 comming soonish.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/5069004/Sony-confirms-work-on-PlayStation-4

I wouldn't think so thats just media hype trying to exaggerate something we already knew, they started work on the PS4 as soon as PS3 had gone to launch, maybee even before. your looking at a min of 2yrs before we start seeing anything I think could be wrong but going by past consoles I wouldn't think so.
However we will start to see "artist renditions" & "specs" in the coming times I'm sure, you know those pictures & numbers that usually have very little accuracy with the final product

Usarka

28th May 2011, 13:43

And when it does finally arrive it'll be $2k.

onearmedbandit

28th May 2011, 23:48

Any links? I had a look about but there didn't seem to much in it, closer to 10% for most things :(

really? best drop I've seen is a few secs, maybee 10% at best. Still nothing warranting the price, I'd (like most) would rather stick with cheaper price & larger space (after all the latter is usually why we're upgrading

http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-load-times-significantly-reduced-by-ps3-ssd-upgrade/98cph/

Interestingly the download speed was dramatically slower (haven't read into why this is or even have the foggiest) but the install speed was significantly increased.

Here's the link to the main article. Granted a lot of the results show only a slight increase, however in many cases it is well over 10%, heading towards 30%. Maybe not quick enough to warrant the extra money currently but worthwhile when the price comes down, bear in mind though when playing a game like GT5 '3 seconds' here and '10 seconds' here all add up.

http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-load-times-significantly-reduced-by-ps3-ssd-upgrade/

In the vid you will see the load time for the default HDD is 30.1s, whereas the SSD has a load time of 20s.