Answer me this...

[Str8 Jacket]

Today I took the mighty FXR for a warrant (which it passed) but something made me laugh and the tester didn't agree with me....

During the brake test the tester wanted me to ride at 5kph and lock up the back brake to cause a skid. I couldn't do it, I could come to a full stop but not skid. He wanted to see a skid (of course I laughed!)

Am I retarded, can this be done cause I really don't think it can. I have the day off work today and am tempted to try up and down our driveway.

[Henk]

Should be able to lock up the rear wheel no problems. Just jump on the pedal real hard, if it won't play get your chief mechanic to change the brake fluid.

[unstuck]

Today I took the mighty FXR for a warrant (which it passed) but something made me laugh and the tester didn't agree with me....

During the brake test the tester wanted me to ride at 5kph and lock up the back brake to stop. I couldn't do it, I could come to a full stop but not skid. He wanted to see a skid (of course I laughed!)

Am I retarded, can this be done cause I really don't think it can. I have the day off work today and am tempted to try up and down our driveway.

Tell him to pay for a new tyre,then you can show him some skids.Sounds like a bit of a plonker.:yes:

[Str8 Jacket]

Should be able to lock up the rear wheel no problems. Just jump on the pedal real hard, if it won't play get your chief mechanic to change the brake fluid.

Could stop completely by doing that - but the tester wanted to see skids! No skids.

[Toaster]

Give it a hard squeeze and you will undoubtedly leave skidmarks.

[Str8 Jacket]

Ah, just edited my first post. He wanted me to do a 'skid' (his words) not lock it up (they were my words).

[ducatilover]

Give it a hard squeeze and you will undoubtedly leave skidmarks.
Skidmark was/is a dick.

I've never heard of a WOF tester asking for skids though :blink: They usually ride the bike out the back of VTNZ and give it a handful of brakes at 30k or so, I'm always worried someone will lock up and drop my baby.

[Str8 Jacket]

I've never heard of a WOF tester asking for skids though :blink: They usually ride the bike out the back of VTNZ and give it a handful of brakes at 30k or so, I'm always worried someone will lock up and drop my baby.

Yeah, I use the VTNZ in Upper Hutt usually and I always have to do my own brake test and lift the bike so they can check the front and back wheel. Went to Seaview today and the same thing except he only wanted me to go for literally 3-5 metres during the test and to stop, in his words; "with a skid".

Go the mighty FXR.

[ducatilover]

Yeah, I use the VTNZ in Upper Hutt usually and I always have to do my own brake test and lift the bike so they can check the front and back wheel. Went to Seaview today and the same thing except he only wanted me to go for literally 3-5 metres during the test and to stop, in his words; "with a skid".

Go the mighty FXR.
That really isn't a proper test is it? Quite odd. To my knowledge they're meant to do a 30-0 in 7m test or something to that effect.
My brakes are mighty so I have no problem anyway :sunny:

[Toaster]

Skidmark was/is a dick.

I've never heard of a WOF tester asking for skids though :blink: They usually ride the bike out the back of VTNZ and give it a handful of brakes at 30k or so, I'm always worried someone will lock up and drop my baby.

Agreed. It is a stupid test. The responsiveness of the rear brake doesn't need to go that far. If a rider locks up on a ride, they are sliding, which means not stopping as fast as they could.

Prorider do a very good brake responsiveness test on their level 1 courses. How to push the brakes to mtheir respective and combined limits and how to deal with going beyond the rear brake limit.

I found the ABS on mine incredibly strong. My previous bikes could all emergency brake well, but the new one is even better!

[ducatilover]

Agreed. It is a stupid test. The responsiveness of the rear brake doesn't need to go that far. If a rider locks up on a ride, they are sliding, which means not stopping as fast as they could.

Prorider do a very good brake responsiveness test on their level 1 courses. How to push the brakes to mtheir respective and combined limits and how to deal with going beyond the rear brake limit.

I found the ABS on mine incredibly strong. My previous bikes could all emergency brake well, but the new one is even better!
And we all know 90% of riders are not prepared for a slide....the rear is okay, but, how many can comfortably lock up and slide the front without going slat....
I think ABS is brilliant

[chanceyy]

hmm got my warrent several weeks ago 2 palmy VTNZ and no test braking just checked the depth of the pads

[Paul in NZ]

Tell him it has ABS or some other 3 letter abbreviation...

Tell him you have PMS and cant do skids...

Or - try standing on the pegs and hit the rear really hard then sue him once you fall off...

[James Deuce]

Sounds like the horrible little man has a fetish or two. Don't go back there. He'll have a camera next time you do, mark my words.

[NinjaNanna]

If any hydrolic disc based rear brake isn't capable of lock up I'd suspect it was in need of servicing.

Is the rear brake on an FXR hydrolic disc based?

[rachprice]

Yeah I want you to do some skids for me! Not the kind that inhabit cloth though

[martybabe]

Quite normal around here, out of the last four wofs at vtnz I was asked to skid three times and the other occasion they just asked me if the brakes worked and were happy with an affirmative from me.

Nobody really seems to have a clue about bikes down there but at least they don't try and sell me stuff I don't need to get through the WOF.

I'm surprised you can't lock your wheels up though.

[quallman1234]

Giz us a go. I'll do a skid for ya!

[Str8 Jacket]

Giz us a go. I'll do a skid for ya!

@ 5kph with 3-4 metres run up?

[Henk]

Yep should be able to lock it up with that much speed, distance.
I've had guys ask me to lock up the back wheel, ride off and brake front only then rear only and had them ride it and do the same. Today when I took Michelles ninja in for a warrant they didn't check the brakes at all. Just had a look at the pads.
Bit of a lack of consistency when you consider they are the most safety critical part of a bike, I did get the fact that the number plate light isn't working pointed out to me though.

[Str8 Jacket]

Well I could come to a complete standstill without skidding. Tried it a few more times on the driveway until the landlord turned up to do some stuff..... stalled it a couple of times but still no luck.

Must try harder.

[James Deuce]

Bit of a lack of consistency when you consider they are the most safety critical part of a bike,

No they aren't. This is:

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[Muzzab]

The VTNZ testing station here have made me skid (or lockup) the front as well.
I had one motorbike shop tick it off on a WOF years ago and say if they didn't work you wouldn't be here.:shit:

[F5 Dave]

I've had a WOF many years ago from a bike shop (no longer) with a glance through the window.:facepalm:

[Pumba]

If any hydrolic disc based rear brake isn't capable of lock up I'd suspect it was in need of servicing.

Is the rear brake on an FXR hydrolic disc based?

No mate they are not hydrolic, the front and rear do happen to Hydraulic though:whistle:

[Smifffy]

Next time tell him to lay on the tarmac and you'll bring it in like Davebullet's avatar :)

[Geeen]

Next time tell him to lay on the tarmac and you'll bring it in like Davebullet's avatar :)

You could charge for that!! :woohoo: Gas money.

[Edbear]

Give it a hard squeeze and you will undoubtedly leave skidmarks.

You're a worry... :facepalm:

[Urano]

During the brake test the tester wanted me to ride at 5kph and lock up the back brake to cause a skid. I couldn't do it, I could come to a full stop but not skid. He wanted to see a skid (of course I laughed!)

Am I retarded, can this be done cause I really don't think it can. I have the day off work today and am tempted to try up and down our driveway.

lock up the rear wheel?
yes it is possible.



Ah, just edited my first post. He wanted me to do a 'skid' (his words) not lock it up (they were my words).

now, what this _exactly_ means?
if you lock up the rear wheel while moving, that's a skid. did he prefer to se you skidding little sideway? still no prob, but can't understand the sense of the request.

wants he to see at any cost a skid mark on the tarmac? he's a dick.

[awayatc]

Is any bike.....?

[dangerous]

Give it a hard squeeze and you will undoubtedly leave skidmarks.
NOT to much of a squeeze tho... that can cause hemroids :facepalm:



During the brake test the tester wanted me to ride at 5kph and lock up the back brake to cause a skid. I couldn't do it, I could come to a full stop but not skid. He wanted to see a skid (of course I laughed!)

Am I retarded, can this be done cause I really don't think it can. I have the day off work today and am tempted to try up and down our driveway.
Ya know... the thing is as soon as a wheel locks up you loose braking abailty, not good not safe shouldnt be a wof requirment.
But alas they want to see it done... WOF's on bikes are a crock a shit, I use VTNZ quick skid spin the frount wheel and wiggle the rear... all done.
No checking for loose bolts worn bearings etc, tiz why I do random pre flight checks my self.

Biggest worry is when they want to do a skid... got a wof the other day on the Guzzi was still paying when I heard it fire up, heres this old boy reliving 50yrs ago on a 1/4 ton Brembo braked one of bike :facepalm: same on the Buell I shit myself when they get on light weight able to wheelie at idle and MASSIVE brakes all on slipery concrete... na WOF's are a crock a shit.

[quallman1234]

@ 5kph with 3-4 metres run up?

Yeah no worries.

This isn't the first time i've heard of this thing happening!

Not so keen on doing it with the front end tho!

[grantnz]

take the bike to a bike shop where a bike type person who understands bikes gives your bike a WOF. I took my bike to VTNZ once, never again.

[javawocky]

NOT to much of a squeeze tho... that can cause hemroids :facepalm:



Ya know... the thing is as soon as a wheel locks up you loose braking abailty, not good not safe shouldnt be a wof requirment.
But alas they want to see it done... WOF's on bikes are a crock a shit, I use VTNZ quick skid spin the frount wheel and wiggle the rear... all done.
No checking for loose bolts worn bearings etc, tiz why I do random pre flight checks my self.

Biggest worry is when they want to do a skid... got a wof the other day on the Guzzi was still paying when I heard it fire up, heres this old boy reliving 50yrs ago on a 1/4 ton Brembo braked one of bike :facepalm: same on the Buell I shit myself when they get on light weight able to wheelie at idle and MASSIVE brakes all on slipery concrete... na WOF's are a crock a shit.

Would have thought they would have applied the same logic to the front brake to show its working properly "Right chap, now turn her around and lock the front up but don't exceed 5kph!" :shit: