How miserable do you have to be?

[racefactory]

Fuck them. I've not been caught for a long time but I've had enough of these pussies hiding in tinted speed camera vans on steep down hills everywhere recently. They have the motors cooking all day with the air conditioning going for the slob in the back waiting to turn an innocent 57kph motorist incensed. They are going throughout the daytime even in the weekdays. They used to be easily spotted but now they are indistinguishable. These days I spend more time with eyes off the road scanning the sides for these abominable traps- with the places they put them in you really are no less likely to fall victim as an innocent motorist than a raving lunatic. It's an evil regressive tax system.

What I am wondering is how miserable a person do you have to be to sit there inside one of these things? I was pulling out of my house the other day and I noticed the fucker was parked right outside my property. I pulled the bike up beside it and peered in to get a glimpse of the goon inside, felt inclined to give them some lip. Fortunately I hesitated before doing so, could be a popo in there?

[awayatc]

messenger shooting.......

Hate the fuckers that insist we need them verywhere....

Beehive fumigating time?

[tigertim20]

I think the operators inside those vans are actually all operated by civillians. I also beleive they have no say in which people actually get sent a ticket. But to a point, I understand what youre saying though, That they are hiding, all concealed, makes you a little peeved that people are going to such an effort to ping the guy doing 56km/hr.

[racefactory]

I hope that's not true eh. That makes me sick the thought of a fellow compatriot cowardly conforming with spineless bureaucrats to take away from others. I will knock on the window and ask if they are enjoying themselves in there next time.

I know it's tough times and people will do anything for a buck but come on, that is morally wrong. Lol you can always sell your ass on the street and stop making other peoples lives a headache at least.

[Brian d marge]

well do something about it , dont just stand there

Stephen

[Urano]

one of the few civil thing we have in italy is the law that states that a police unit with a velox must be well visible, with an advice plate 400 mt before, and using only police marked cars.

then, because we are not a civil country, they always try to make what they want, and so you have to go and make an opposition on a court, demonstrating that they were breaking the law.

they count on the fact that on a hun people catch up, only 10 would make an opposition managing to demonstrate they were wrong, so they have good collection anyway.

last time i was catch on a country road with a 50 limit signal (you have to understand that here plates are quite random, so you have to travel trying to figure out what is best...) and i was at 70.
i looked in the mirror and saw a police car hidden, so i stopped, took some pics and then went to the court: won.
but it's a little mess...

[unstuck]

Or pay the fine,dont do the crime. If you want to break the law,then dont whine when you get caught.:facepalm:

[wysper]

that is morally wrong.

How is it morally wrong to enforce the law?
You may not like the law or the way it is enforced, but your only option is to try and change one or other or both of those.

Confronting the guy in the van, and I also believe they are civvys, won't achieve anything. I would do that to feed my family if I had to.

[oneofsix]

How is it morally wrong to enforce the law?
You may not like the law or the way it in enforced, but your only option is to try and change one or other of those.

Confronting the guy in the van, and I also believe they are civvys, won't achieve anything. I would do that to feed my family if I had to.

love these comments :love: "How is it morally wrong to enforce the law?", why don't you ask the guys that just prosecuted the ex-Nazi guard, he was only enforcing the 'law' as it stood at the time. Your speedo is only accurate to within 10% if you are lucky and on new rubber. Add a down hill or any of numerous other conditions and it is easy to exceed a < 5% allowance yet still be operating in a safe manner. This makes it morally wrong IMHO and close to entrapment, the reports of popos tailgating is entrapment again IMHO

[BoristheBiter]

Fuck them. I've not been caught for a long time but I've had enough of these pussies hiding in tinted speed camera vans on steep down hills everywhere recently. They have the motors cooking all day with the air conditioning going for the slob in the back waiting to turn an innocent 57kph motorist incensed. They are going throughout the daytime even in the weekdays. They used to be easily spotted but now they are indistinguishable. These days I spend more time with eyes off the road scanning the sides for these abominable traps- with the places they put them in you really are no less likely to fall victim as an innocent motorist than a raving lunatic. It's an evil regressive tax system.

What I am wondering is how miserable a person do you have to be to sit there inside one of these things? I was pulling out of my house the other day and I noticed the fucker was parked right outside my property. I pulled the bike up beside it and peered in to get a glimpse of the goon inside, felt inclined to give them some lip. Fortunately I hesitated before doing so, could be a popo in there?

You could always slow down, pay more attention to your soundings, get a radar detector or all of the above.

Yes we have all got stupid tickets get over it and move on.

[BoristheBiter]

love these comments :love: "How is it morally wrong to enforce the law?", why don't you ask the guys that just prosecuted the ex-Nazi guard, he was only enforcing the 'law' as it stood at the time. Your speedo is only accurate to within 10% if you are lucky and on new rubber. Add a down hill or any of numerous other conditions and it is easy to exceed a < 5% allowance yet still be operating in a safe manner. This makes it morally wrong IMHO and close to entrapment, the reports of popos tailgating is entrapment again IMHO

To be correct it was following an order from a superior officer not enforcing a law.

[oneofsix]

To be correct it was following an order from a superior officer not enforcing a law.

who was following orders that eventually came from what was the government of the time and the law of the day, as disgusting as it was.
Perhaps a reference to apartheid in Africa would have been better as an example of a morally wrong law.

[racefactory]

So are they actually civies cowardly hiding inside there? Makes my blood boil, that is not right.

[racefactory]

Or pay the fine,dont do the crime. If you want to break the law,then dont whine when you get caught.:facepalm:


How is it morally wrong to enforce the law?

Aw, what a lovely conformist you are. Gubbermint would be proud of you. Let me guess, won't touch your bike if the rego's a day out? Simple fact is it's nefarious regressive tax and we Kiwis far too often just take it up the bum hole.

[matdaymon]

If your on your bike on a downhill heading for a van how is that a problem? They have camera's at both ends of the things now to catch your plate once you've passed them now or something?

[unstuck]

Aw, what a lovely conformist you are. Gubbermint would be proud of you. Let me guess, won't touch your bike if the rego's a day out? Simple fact is it's nefarious regressive tax and we Kiwis far too often just take it up the bum hole.

Actually had heaps of fines,and a really big criminal record. Have ridden road bikes for 31 yrs without a bike license.Will ride my bike with no warrant or rego and no license.What I WONT do is cry like a little fucken bitch when i get pinged for my own stupid decisions.Quite simple really.:love::innocent:

[steve_t]

Aw, what a lovely conformist you are. Gubbermint would be proud of you. Let me guess, won't touch your bike if the rego's a day out? Simple fact is it's nefarious regressive tax and we Kiwis far too often just take it up the bum hole.

You could always move to Tuhoe and try to tell the government you're out of their jurisdiction. You could try whathisface's "No contract, no contract" bollocks. Or you could move to Afghanistan. They probably don't have speed cameras there.
As Wysper said, if I had a family to feed and the job of sitting in the van for a few hours a day came up, I'd take it, especially if it paid $20 an hour or something due to the danger of idiots approaching the van wanting have a go (I don't have a clue how much these guys are paid). I guess you think those who go through police college have no morals either :facepalm:

[Urano]

Your speedo is only accurate to within 10% if you are lucky and on new rubber. Add a down hill or any of numerous other conditions and it is easy to exceed a < 5% allowance yet still be operating in a safe manner.

this is not completely true.
it is true that all the speedos have an error of about 10% (around 100 kph)

BUT

by law this error have always to be in excess.

this means that if the speedo says you are travelling at 100, it is possible that your are truly travelling at 90.
it is not that you are travelling at 110, with the possibility to get catch by police.


this has nothing to do with all the rest...

[oneofsix]

this is not completely true.
it is true that all the speedos have an error of about 10% (around 100 kph)
BUT
by law this error have always to be in excess.
this means that if the speedo says you are travelling at 100, it is possible that your are truly travelling at 90.
it is not that you are travelling at 110, with the possibility to get catch by police.
this has nothing to do with all the rest...

But this is where the whole 4k push FAILS. Speed is only reduced as a factor if you get everyone traveling at the same speed and knowing what speed they are doing. This also reduces road rage. If you a traveling at what you believe is 100k by your speedo and the next guy is doing true 100k off his GPS then you are an impediment to him. Booking someone for safely doing 4k over the guessed at 100k, cause we all know we can't trust the speedo to tell us when we are doing 100k, is a scam.

[Scuba_Steve]

Actually had heaps of fines,and a really big criminal record. Have ridden road bikes for 31 yrs without a bike license.Will ride my bike with no warrant or rego and no license.What I WONT do is cry like a little fucken bitch when i get pinged for my own stupid decisions.Quite simple really.:love::innocent:

but people should complain about speeding scams, they do nothing for road safety & actually have an adverse affect on it, it is only there to bring the Govt $$$ nothing more, so people should complain but we should complain on a national scale & direct to the scum hiding out in parliament I like awayatc's idea, its time to fumigate the beehive :yes:

[unstuck]

but people should complain about speeding scams, they do nothing for road safety & actually have an adverse affect on it, it is only there to bring the Govt $$$ nothing more, so people should complain but we should complain on a national scale & direct to the scum hiding out in parliament I like awayatc's idea, its time to fumigate the beehive :yes:

Complaining,or focusing on a problem on keeps it going, I would rather focus on a solution rather than a problem.IMO. I will only fight for something,never against.:yes:

[racefactory]

Actually had heaps of fines,and a really big criminal record. Have ridden road bikes for 31 yrs without a bike license.Will ride my bike with no warrant or rego and no license.What I WONT do is cry like a little fucken bitch when i get pinged for my own stupid decisions.Quite simple really.:love::innocent:

My apologies there.

However, you call it a 'stupid decision', and this is where you are wrong. Over here in Auckland we have a heap of steep hills with wide roads. To the average driver you wouldn't feel right to ride the brakes all the way down, only to emit plumes of wasted fuel and go up the other side. In fact to do that would be the stupid decision. Even conservative, brake riding asian drivers gain speed in these places.

That's like saying it's your fault if I spill oil onto the road in the night and you fall off going over it on your bike. It's a typical Kiwi attitude to take it up the bum like that. Like ScubaSteve said, people should complain about speeding scams, they do nothing for road safety & actually have an adverse effect on it. I know it's only a ticket and no big deal, but so many larger issues actually stem from this same blind attitude we have towards problems.

I mostly ride my bike and I don't get caught by these cameras anyway even if I was going 60, my concern is just for other innocent motorists. Hey, 'it's no biggie' , 'she'll be right'.

[oneofsix]

My apologies there.

However, you call it a 'stupid decision', and this is where you are wrong. Over here in Auckland we have a heap of steep hills with wide roads. To the average driver you wouldn't feel right to ride the brakes all the way down, only to emit plumes of wasted fuel and go up the other side. In fact to do that would be the stupid decision. Even conservative, brake riding asian drivers gain speed in these places.

That's like saying it's your fault if I spill oil onto the road in the night and you fall off going over it on your bike.

I mostly ride my bike and I don't get caught by these cameras anyway even if I was going 60, my concern is just for other innocent motorists.

Tough choice, to stay close to the limit but possibly go above it by keeping your eyes on the road and stay at a reasonable speed or to keep your eyes on the speedo and risk not seeing the ball come out on the road or the kid following it. You best obey the law. :yes: :facepalm:

[unstuck]

And learnt how to drive and ride there and go back at least once a year, so i know what its like to drive/ride there. People can do whatever the hell they want,it does not bother me.But if they get caught and bitch and moan about how fucked up it is or how the cops are out to get them and all motorists.Or how cameras are just revenue collecting,and anyone sitting in a van,doing a job,is an asshole or whatever,that is what pisses me off. Ride at 160 in a fifty,i dont care,just dont bitch about it when you get caught.My opinions only.:sunny:

[racefactory]

And learnt how to drive and ride there and go back at least once a year, so i know what its like to drive/ride there. People can do whatever the hell they want,it does not bother me.But if they get caught and bitch and moan about how fucked up it is or how the cops are out to get them and all motorists.Or how cameras are just revenue collecting,and anyone sitting in a van,doing a job,is an asshole or whatever,that is what pisses me off. Ride at 160 in a fifty,i dont care,just dont bitch about it when you get caught.My opinions only.:sunny:

Ok if I ride at 160 in a 50... you think I am going to moan if I get caught? A granny driving 58 down a hill is entirely different.

[unstuck]

Ok if I ride at 160 in a 50... you think I am going to moan if I get caught? A granny driving 58 down a hill is entirely different.

How so, still a broken law in my opinion. Granny should have control of her car.:2thumbsup

[superman]

I know it's from 2000 but road toll has only been dropping since then yes?

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[racefactory]

How so, still a broken law in my opinion. Granny should have control of her car.:2thumbsup

'Law's the law.' Fuck that. It's extortion with impunity. :violin::violin::drinkup:

[unstuck]

Yes the law is the law. Wether you kill someone with a pillow over the face or smash them to death with a hammer and eat their eyeballs,its still murder.:innocent:

[racefactory]

...lol. uh, I think you are missing the main point here unstuck!

actually so am I, I just wanted to know who is inside those vehicles lol.

[unstuck]

...lol. Uh, Unstuck, I think you are missing the main point here buddy!

Which is, in your opinion?:sunny:

[Bald Eagle]

I know it's from 2000 but road toll has only been dropping since then yes?



So forget the speed thing as the only cause of death that's been increasing since 1996 is diabetes. Lets focus those cameras outside the fast food joints and ticket everyone buying Big Macs.

[superman]

So forget the speed thing as the only cause of death that's been increasing since 1996 is diabetes. Lets focus those cameras outside the fast food joints and ticket everyone buying Big Macs.

No no no, limit to fast food once a week, ween it off, then make it once every two weeks.

Sorted.

Suicide rate might go up then though...

[Scuba_Steve]

So forget the speed thing as the only cause of death that's been increasing since 1996 is diabetes. Lets focus those cameras outside the fast food joints and ticket everyone buying Big Macs.

but has big mac consumption gone up since 1996? I would have said the only foods to be getting significant increase since then is "diet" products & "health food" time to tax diet coke I think :yes:

[superman]

but has big mac consumption gone up since 1996? I would have said the only foods to be getting significant increase since then is "diet" products & "health food" time to tax diet coke I think :yes:

Yeah, shit like diet coke and margarine and all those weird man made additives are just... scary. Why not eat real things, much better for you. Just don't eat so freeaking much!

[jasonu]

Or pay the fine,dont do the crime. If you want to break the law,then dont whine when you get caught.:facepalm:

What about when you might be coasting down a hill, no other traffic minding your business and drift to the deathly speed of 108kmh and get copped for it. Hardly a crime committed don't you think. It looks to me that the NZ driving law enforcement is way out of control.

[unstuck]

What about when you might be coasting down a hill, no other traffic minding your business and drift to the deathly speed of 108kmh and get copped for it. Hardly a crime committed don't you think. It looks to me that the NZ driving law enforcement is way out of control.

Does not change the fact that it is breaking the law though,not saying i agree with getting a ticket for it,but if i do i would not cry about it,I would put my energy into finding the money to pay it.Certainly wouldnt :crybaby: about it on a public forum. But thats just me.:yes::sunny:

[Icemaestro]

at 58 in a 50k zone I'd just say that your speedo was reading 54, you thought you were going the speed limit. the 10km/h tolerance is there because speedos are innacurate (though tend to read over rather than under, but hey!:-P)

I'd hate to be driving near Mr you're breaking the law and should be punished at 58k's down a hill...

What I've never understood is why out east heaps of the speed limits are 60 in residential areas, and why over in aus (well at least brisbane/qld) residential speed limits are 60/70km/h!

[Brian d marge]

Or pay the fine,dont do the crime. If you want to break the law,then dont whine when you get caught.:facepalm:
So if the law says its ok to beat up people ...you would be ok with that ???

you have been watching waaaay too many American cop shows

Stephen

how about growing some balls and saying enough is enough

[oneofsix]

So if the law says its ok to beat up people ...you would be ok with that ???

you have been watching waaaay too many American cop shows

Stephen

how about growing some balls and saying enough is enough

:no: no Watch Highway petrol :yes: Still remember the classic where the NZ :cop: pulls over the Asian cause she thought he was beating a child, tunred out he was try to control a puppie but his visitors licence had run a day over the 12 months allowed so he had to walk home from the Auckland motorway but the ganger in the pink stickered wreck checked at the service station was allowed to drive his fchild home. :woohoo: Justice.

[BoristheBiter]

So if the law says its ok to beat up people ...you would be ok with that ???

you have been watching waaaay too many American cop shows

Stephen

how about growing some balls and saying enough is enough

How about growing some balls and saying enough is enough to all the crying pussies when they get a ticket.

Oh boo fucking hoo. so its a scam, whoopty fucking do, and there is always someone that comes up with if X was the law would you do it.

So out of context, so over done, time for silly hats.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0805/silly-hats-adequacy-tobias-silly-demotivational-poster-1210800545.jpg

[unstuck]

So if the law says its ok to beat up people ...you would be ok with that ???

you have been watching waaaay too many American cop shows

Stephen

how about growing some balls and saying enough is enough

Why the hell would someone make a law that says it ok to beat someone up:blink:Stupid argument:yes:.Get pinged breaking a law,pay the fine,dont be a baby about it.Good luck in life fella. My life is fuckin awesome.:yes:

[tigertim20]

I hope that's not true eh. That makes me sick the thought of a fellow compatriot cowardly conforming with spineless bureaucrats to take away from others. I will knock on the window and ask if they are enjoying themselves in there next time.

I know it's tough times and people will do anything for a buck but come on, that is morally wrong. Lol you can always sell your ass on the street and stop making other peoples lives a headache at least.

Have heard of a story about a group of guys that stopped at a camera van, and struck up a convo with the operator, while one of them snuck around the front, took the plate off, and put it on their car, they then proceeded to do several high speed runs past the van. bet that raised some questions when the van got multiple speeding tickets on the day it was on duty!!! . . .

[DrunkenMistake]

Dude,

I dont know what you do for a job,
But I dont think its fair to rant and rage at someone doing their Job, I think they are a mixture of civilian and police operated.

I like the police, I think for the amount of shit they have to deal with everyday, they do alright, and I dont dislike a single police officer, the police in general sometimes I can feel annoyed with them, slow response times etc, but a police person, its their Job and I hate the sour pricks who come into my place of work and rant about something that isnt there because they know I have no control over the fact that its not there.
Same situation a speed camera set up to clock anyone doing over a certain speed is going to go off if YOUR SPEEDING, the person behind is isnt in control of the camera, they are their to maintain it etc etc so I dont see it fair to rant about them.
I agree with been shitty as fuck at been caught speeding, It always annoys the shit out of me, but its a case of responsibility, I was speeding, I know I was speeding, therefore I must be cough up the fine, Simple as that.

Imagine what Katman would say if he seen this... Speeding.. Its just unsafe.

[scumdog]

Another KB waah-fest...:blah:


I wish MY lifes worries were as trivial..<_<

[DrunkenMistake]

Another KB waah-fest...:blah:


I wish MY lifes worries were as trivial..<_<


Watch home and away, it will give you that Drama feel haha

[tigertim20]

On a serious note, I love all the replies about how '5km over is hardly a crime' etc, but I mean, there has to be a line somewhere, in black and white. if you are over the limit, you can get a ticket, it is a LIMIT, not a target, you dont HAVE to cruise along at EXACTLY 100, why not cruise at 92km/hr?

Its 5km over, wah wah wah, tell you what, how bouts I come around, and smash you in the face twice, but dont get charged cos 'it was hardly an assault, I only hit him twice'

Yeah, i think not.

Speed, pay, deal. simple.

[Urano]

If you a traveling at what you believe is 100k by your speedo and the next guy is doing true 100k off his GPS then you are an impediment to him

oh, c'mon!
you'd really try a takeover on someone who's travelling 4 kph less than you??



but people should complain about speeding scams, they do nothing for road safety & actually have an adverse affect on it, it is only there to bring the Govt $$$

and this is sooo true.



On a serious note, I love all the replies about how '5km over is hardly a crime' etc, but I mean, there has to be a line somewhere, in black and white. if you are over the limit, you can get a ticket, it is a LIMIT, not a target, you dont HAVE to cruise along at EXACTLY 100, why not cruise at 92km/hr?

on serious note, you are completely right.
there has to be a line.
and around that line there is also a 5% of margin, plus your speedo error.
and if limits are set after logical considerations it's not a big deal keeping the right speed. i can say that on our highways we have 130 limits, which is pretty good: if i'm in a hurry i know i can reach 140 without getting fines (137+ something), but normally i travel at 110-120. The reason is simple: on a hour trip is a difference of 5 minutes, more or less, with a huge difference on fuel consumption. it simply doesn't worth it.
but on other streets we have limit plates put only to relieve administrators from responsibilities of damage caused by the the horrible street conditions.
in west highway of modena there is a portion with 30 kph limit. do you really think
it would be somehow safe to slow down at 30 on a two lane per direction heavy used road?

ya, do something to make your local politics change things. maybe in nz it would work...

here in las palmas there are city roads with 80 kph limit, which is really the limit after which you became dangerous for you and others, so no problem to obey. but spain is a civilized country, italy is not.

(by the way, keeping on with consideration about your transportation system and the environmental compatibility, i'm rather surprised you have no diffused railway links, nor a proper highway system...)

[Brian d marge]

Why the hell would someone make a law that says it ok to beat someone up:blink:Stupid argument:yes:.Get pinged breaking a law,pay the fine,dont be a baby about it.Good luck in life fella. My life is fuckin awesome.:yes:
Probably is awesome , being simple as it is

One country decided another group was undesirable , and made it law to remove said group ..back in the late 30s

Oh heres another , A few people got together a fair old while back now and decided it a a good Law to OWN another human , ,,,

Just because it is a law doesn't make it right. Speed used incorrectly IS dangerous... ( insert a really long list of really difficult stuff that would melt your little cotton socks)

but its not the big bug bear that TV makes out ...... ( and the nice man with the smile , may not be such a nice man after all)

Stephen

ps dont have problems with fines for breaking a reasonable rule , (paid one yesterday , do have big problems with being lied too and revenue gathering )

[Brian d marge]

How about growing some balls and saying enough is enough to all the crying pussies when they get a ticket.

Oh boo fucking hoo. so its a scam, whoopty fucking do, and there is always someone that comes up with if X was the law would you do it.

So out of context, so over done, time for silly hats.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0805/silly-hats-adequacy-tobias-silly-demotivational-poster-1210800545.jpg

you know that old sying about , not saying anything and people thinking you are a fool rather than speaking and proving them right ...... you are doing a sterling job ,,,, keep typing

Shame about your Rego costs aint it ........ 600 bucks a year ..... :sick:.....ohh thats got to hurt ... still thats the law eh....

Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

you know that old sying about , not saying anything and people thinking you are a fool rather than speaking and proving them right ...... you are doing a sterling job ,,,, keep typing

Shame about your Rego costs aint it ........ 600 bucks a year ..... :sick:.....ohh thats got to hurt ... still thats the law eh....

Stephen

You should look at that other old saying, "practice what you preach" but then like all KB keyboard warriors you would have nothing left to say.:crybaby:

I wondered how long before you took it completely off topic. must be a new record even for you.:violin:

[oldrider]

I hope that's not true eh. That makes me sick the thought of a fellow compatriot cowardly conforming with spineless bureaucrats to take away from others. I will knock on the window and ask if they are enjoying themselves in there next time.

I know it's tough times and people will do anything for a buck but come on, that is morally wrong. Lol you can always sell your ass on the street and stop making other peoples lives a headache at least.

These sort of discussions were taking place in Germany in the nineteen thirties, it gradually gets worse until behold, we have the Gestapo SS! :yes:

It just sneaks up on you, by the time you realise, it's too late! :facepalm:

[BoristheBiter]

Under 53 posts to prove Godwins law, now that must be a KB record.

[oneofsix]

Under 53 posts to prove Godwins law, now that must be a KB record.

given the subject matter I'm surprised it took that long but doesn't make it any less true

[BoristheBiter]

given the subject matter I'm surprised it took that long but doesn't make it any less true

What, that handing out speeding tickets for speeding is the same as taking over Europe and genocide?

[oneofsix]

What, that handing out speeding tickets for speeding is the same as taking over Europe and genocide?

No that the law is the law and must be unquestioningly obeyed just because it is the law

[BoristheBiter]

No that the law is the law and must be unquestioningly obeyed just because it is the law

So in that theory we should just have no laws and just have survival of the fittest.

[oneofsix]

So in that theory we should just have no laws and just have survival of the fittest.

some step off the curb others jump off a cliff. I hope you enjoy the view on the way down.
How does questioning the laws, even arguing with them equate to no laws. :facepalm: FFS if we had no laws what would we have to type about on KB? :innocent:

[BoristheBiter]

some step off the curb others jump off a cliff. I hope you enjoy the view on the way down.
How does questioning the laws, even arguing with them equate to no laws. :facepalm: FFS if we had no laws what would we have to type about on KB? :innocent:

About the same as how does obeying traffic laws equate to past German politics.

The laws are made by those in charge, if you don't like them you have the right every 3 years to change those in charge.

[Brian d marge]

You should look at that other old saying, "practice what you preach" but then like all KB keyboard warriors you would have nothing left to say.:crybaby:

I wondered how long before you took it completely off topic. must be a new record even for you.:violin:
You said that already in "post 53" odd

And dont worry about litle ole me , People such as you good self have completely ruined New Zealand ( i dint do that , the law is the Law , ,,., harden f up and just follow the rules ,,,,) Well those "rules" weren't made for the benefit of you and I , they were made for others to make money, ( from the budget today...* Proposes the sell-off of shares in four state-owned energy companies and reduce its majority shareholding in Air New Zealand. It will retain a majority stake-hold in all five firms. GAIN: $7 billion
This is clearly stated in the IMF manifesto ,, ie you borrow money , you privatize your assets , and we buy them, ..just put that in there in the vain hope you might realize ,,,)

Speeding for example , if you cant see that the "rules" are poorly thought out and the roading is ...well the cheapest option, if you still have trouble with this ... then this "keyboard warrior " has a lot of work still to do
BTW I am quite comfortabe , sitting back here , behind the keyboard , because back in the 80s , I spent quite a considerable sum of my own money trying to stop the "rot" but the never had it so goods , did nothing , So you have the NZ, you have today , a place which is a former shadow of itself. Well done fella ! GOOD JOB

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by racefactory http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1130064986#post1130064986)
I hope that's not true eh. That makes me sick the thought of a fellow compatriot cowardly conforming with spineless bureaucrats to take away from others. I will knock on the window and ask if they are enjoying themselves in there next time.

I know it's tough times and people will do anything for a buck but come on, that is morally wrong. Lol you can always sell your ass on the street and stop making other peoples lives a headache at least.

Had to quote that ... it applies in so many way .....


Stephen

Still on topic ...as you can see .....

[Brian d marge]

oh I get it now ,,,DUUUUh

Boris , trolling .......silly silly me

( I hope you are trolling ,because if you aint .......)

Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

You said that already in "post 53" odd

And dont worry about litle ole me , People such as you good self have completely ruined New Zealand ( i dint do that , the law is the Law , ,,., harden f up and just follow the rules ,,,,) Well those "rules" weren't made for the benefit of you and I , they were made for others to make money, ( from the budget today...* Proposes the sell-off of shares in four state-owned energy companies and reduce its majority shareholding in Air New Zealand. It will retain a majority stake-hold in all five firms. GAIN: $7 billion
This is clearly stated in the IMF manifesto ,, ie you borrow money , you privatize your assets , and we buy them, ..just put that in there in the vain hope you might realize ,,,)

Speeding for example , if you cant see that the "rules" are poorly thought out and the roading is ...well the cheapest option, if you still have trouble with this ... then this "keyboard warrior " has a lot of work still to do
BTW I am quite comfortabe , sitting back here , behind the keyboard , because back in the 80s , I spent quite a considerable sum of my own money trying to stop the "rot" but the never had it so goods , did nothing , So you have the NZ, you have today , a place which is a former shadow of itself. Well done fella ! GOOD JOB



Stephen

Still on topic ...as you can see .....


If you think that the country is the way it is today because of traffic rules then no wonder you wasted your money, you haven't got a clue do you, so i guess its just as well you aren't here.

And as for saying your on topic, nothing could be further from the truth and this isn't a troll so i guess yours must be otherwise :facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

Actually had heaps of fines,and a really big criminal record. Have ridden road bikes for 31 yrs without a bike license.Will ride my bike with no warrant or rego and no license.What I WONT do is cry like a little fucken bitch when i get pinged for my own stupid decisions.Quite simple really.:love::innocent:

NOBODY is disagreeing with you ... if YOU cock up , then fine , IF the playing field is level

WHAT we ARE complaining about is that the guidelines we have been told to follow are not good enough

Simple

If other countries can have decent road rule , then one should expect NZ to have similar ,,,,UNLESS they don't want to because the benefits for not changing out weigh the results of the possible changes

Stephen

[unstuck]

:violin::clap::yawn::first: You win,there ya go.:sunny:

[Brian d marge]

If you think that the country is the way it is today because of traffic rules then no wonder you wasted your money, you haven't got a clue do you, so i guess its just as well you aren't here.

And as for saying your on topic, nothing could be further from the truth and this isn't a troll so i guess yours must be otherwise :facepalm:

please read what you wrote ,,,

you said that the "country is in the state it is in because of the traffic laws"

You HAVE to be doing this on purpose. NOBODY could be that stupid . NOBODY ( not even me )

You have got me , I cant reply ..................Im going to try , The traffic laws are a symptom of the disease

work with me here..... now out here in the wide world there are people who do not have your or New Zealand best interest at heart , they want to make money ,( union carbide )

The debate we are having is about revenue gathering through speeding .. the wider issue ( big picture ) is about why they need to get money rather than educate

paying a 20 dollar ticket ,,,,, is not the problem

Stephen

Im stuggling here , fella... I cant make it any simpler , or clearer ( and if I were off topic , PD is where is would be ..........

[Brian d marge]

:violin::clap::yawn::first: You win,there ya go.:sunny:

your no fun .........

Stephen

[pete376403]

Just as a matter of interest, what is traffic enforcement like in Japan?

[The Stranger]

How is it morally wrong to enforce the law?
You may not like the law or the way it is enforced, but your only option is to try and change one or other or both of those.

Confronting the guy in the van, and I also believe they are civvys, won't achieve anything. I would do that to feed my family if I had to.

Do you rat out your mates for speeding too?
I'd eat my family first.

[Littleman]

Do you rat out your mates for speeding too?
I'd eat my family first.


Come on Noel, your kids aren't exactly built like me (or Steve).

[The Stranger]

Come on Noel, your kids aren't exactly built like me (or Steve).

Ah, should I be concerned that you know how well built my kids are?

[Brian d marge]

Just as a matter of interest, what is traffic enforcement like in Japan?

Very lenient but if you do f up oh my fing god its expensive

motorways speed limit is 80 odd but most people sit between 100 and 140, testing a blackbird isnt unheard off !!!

around the towns , speed limit 50 but most people drive 60

When, like now, they have donut drives ,,,yes just before Christmas and end of the financial year, they are just as sneaky

BUT reasonable ( actually yes , reasonable ) I was pinged , last weekend during a donut drive for no right turn , ( bugger me Ive been doing that for 10 years ) and because I have a gold license ( Im concidered a good driver ) he said you're getting the fine , but if you are unpinged for 3 months no demerits , IF you do get pinged ya get both sets AND lose your gold license ( cool I can ride the bike to work!)

2 years ago I was pinged by a camera for 90 in a 50 , a few points loss of license for a month and 100 000 yen fine ... meeeh I was over taking a truck on a clear dual carriage way ,,,just me and the truck ,,,,,, oh well them the breaks


Honestly I probably wont see a policeman for a couple of years , just unlucky ....

The old bill in general though , are pretty reasonable , I was passed out one night in front of the ticket machine , the picked me up took me to the police station , let me sleep it off in the front waiting room , then got me a taxi home ,,,
So back the next afternoon I went with crispy creme donuts for the whole office ( large box )


I don't know what to say ,,,I like it. what I would call reasonable

Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

please read what you wrote ,,,

you said that the "country is in the state it is in because of the traffic laws"

You HAVE to be doing this on purpose. NOBODY could be that stupid . NOBODY ( not even me )

You have got me , I cant reply ..................Im going to try , The traffic laws are a symptom of the disease

work with me here..... now out here in the wide world there are people who do not have your or New Zealand best interest at heart , they want to make money ,( union carbide )

The debate we are having is about revenue gathering through speeding .. the wider issue ( big picture ) is about why they need to get money rather than educate

paying a 20 dollar ticket ,,,,, is not the problem

Stephen

Im stuggling here , fella... I cant make it any simpler , or clearer ( and if I were off topic , PD is where is would be ..........

No, as per KB you have miss quoted me.
I wrote "If you think that the country is the way it is today because of traffic rules then no wonder you wasted your money"
I was meaning that i don't subscribe to your idea that obeying a traffic rule is akin to giving in to some tyrannical dictatorship.

You didn't need to make it clearer, i did what you meant and thought you where talking BS. I just can't see how your brain is working.

have a nice day.

[oneofsix]

... because I have a gold license ( Im concidered a good driver ) he said you're getting the fine , but if you are unpinged for 3 months no demerits , IF you do get pinged ya get both sets AND lose your gold license ( cool I can ride the bike to work!)


Smart bastards using the carrot and the stick. Pretty obvious by the postings on this site that some kiwis would never understand now rewarding good behaviour could improve overall driving. Nope according to them you got trounce on even the smallest honest mistakes cause we all such perfect friking robots. Come home and be assimilated :facepalm:

[Swoop]

Imagine what Katman would say if he seen this... Speeding.. Its just unsafe.
You had better go and discuss his demerit point situation then...
It seems you do not aquire them on closed roads or racetracks.

[Gubb]

'Law's the law.' Fuck that. It's extortion with impunity. :violin::violin::drinkup:
Then get enough people to vote to have it changed.

Stop whinging like a little bitch and either do something about it, or shut the fuck up and get on with it.

[oneofsix]

Then get enough people to vote to have it changed.

Stop whinging like a little bitch and either do something about it, or shut the fuck up and get on with it.

But whinging is doing something it is whinging, and it is more fun :corn:

[Brian d marge]

No, as per KB you have miss quoted me.
I wrote "If you think that the country is the way it is today because of traffic rules then no wonder you wasted your money"
I was meaning that i don't subscribe to your idea that obeying a traffic rule is akin to giving in to some tyrannical dictatorship.

You didn't need to make it clearer, i did what you meant and thought you where talking BS. I just can't see how your brain is working.

have a nice day.
No I didnt miss quote you .....
If you think that the country is the way it is today because of traffic rules then no wonder you wasted your money, you haven't got a clue do you, so i guess its just as well you aren't here.

but This statement I can work with
I was meaning that i don't subscribe to your idea that obeying a traffic rule is akin to giving in to some tyrannical dictatorship.

Its not, in fact we should follow the rules , but not blindly and within reason..for example , long down hill road , speedo creeps to 110 light traffic and basically no danger .. Thats revenue gathering of which I have issues with

100 down Queens st in Auckland ( for example ) ...thats a hanging offense IMHO

Stephen

[racefactory]

No I didnt miss quote you .....
If you think that the country is the way it is today because of traffic rules then no wonder you wasted your money, you haven't got a clue do you, so i guess its just as well you aren't here.

but This statement I can work with
I was meaning that i don't subscribe to your idea that obeying a traffic rule is akin to giving in to some tyrannical dictatorship.

Its not, in fact we should follow the rules , but not blindly and within reason..for example , long down hill road , speedo creeps to 110 light traffic and basically no danger .. Thats revenue gathering of which I have issues with

100 down Queens st in Auckland ( for example ) ...thats a hanging offense IMHO

Stephen

I'm afraid you have to accept that some minds are just that narrow. There is no in-between or thinking outside of the box. Actually, it's the only life form not in decline and is the fastest growing species of today; it's called Sheeple.

[unstuck]

http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/france-what-does-it-mean-that-the-radar-signs-are-going.htm :innocent:

[BoristheBiter]

No I didnt miss quote you .....
If you think that the country is the way it is today because of traffic rules then no wonder you wasted your money, you haven't got a clue do you, so i guess its just as well you aren't here.

but This statement I can work with
I was meaning that i don't subscribe to your idea that obeying a traffic rule is akin to giving in to some tyrannical dictatorship.

Its not, in fact we should follow the rules , but not blindly and within reason..for example , long down hill road , speedo creeps to 110 light traffic and basically no danger .. Thats revenue gathering of which I have issues with

100 down Queens st in Auckland ( for example ) ...thats a hanging offense IMHO

Stephen


I'm afraid you have to accept that some minds are just that narrow. There is no in-between or thinking outside of the box. Actually, it's the only life form not in decline and is the fastest growing species of today; it's called Sheeple.

Well OK whatever.

I guess we will just have to put up with you crying little bitches every time you get a ticket.