Smoking in cars (with kids)?

[saltydog]

I see the Aussies have a law in-place where drivers of vehicles cannot smoke ciggies inside the car if there is a child present under the age of 6. With all these new 'road initiatives' happening surely NZ will follow? If its good for Victoria(AUST) surely its good for kiwis?!
Its started pissing me off when I follow a smelly car with the driver chuffing away with grommets inside. Being a ex-smoker I can tell if a driver 6 cars up in the queue is blazing away, but I couldnt care less if people choose to have a fag, just not in the car with their kids.
Should we have a law like the aussies?
What next?, forward facing numberplates!?!

[unstuck]

Thought it was illegal already??? Should be a law i reckon,but up the age of the kids in the car from 6 to 16.:yes:

[MIXONE]

There's too many fuggin laws now.

[Maha]

It should be law here also.
There are adverts about it..
Even when we did smoke we did not smoke in the car.
If we had to, we would stop, get out, have a smoke, get back in and drive off.
We didnt smoke in the house either.

[saltydog]

There's too many fuggin laws now.

Mate, mate mate, thay actually are thinking about making us put number plates on the fricken front of our bikes!

[Pussy]

It's handy to be able to bum a smoke off a 4 year old...

[saltydog]

It's handy to be able to bum a smoke off a 4 year old...

probably not lighter though!

[Camshaft]

There's too many fuggin laws now.

there are to many bad laws. laws are good to keep the not so bright ones in order, but yes it is annoying that the laws to keep idiots under controll affect the rest of us so much.

[jaffaonajappa]

There's too many fuggin laws now.

They are bringing in a new law which will allow our politicians to track how many laws we currently have...apparantly they werent allowed to keep track of all the laws without a new law authorising it.

Remember when we used to smoke in aircraft? "every" seat had an ashtray.

[tigertim20]

I see the Aussies have a law in-place where drivers of vehicles cannot smoke ciggies inside the car if there is a child present under the age of 6. With all these new 'road initiatives' happening surely NZ will follow? If its good for Victoria(AUST) surely its good for kiwis?!
Its started pissing me off when I follow a smelly car with the driver chuffing away with grommets inside. Being a ex-smoker I can tell if a driver 6 cars up in the queue is blazing away, but I couldnt care less if people choose to have a fag, just not in the car with their kids.
Should we have a law like the aussies?
What next?, forward facing numberplates!?!

they did an ad campaign a while back about it, but it isnt illegal I dont think.
Id be for it though. Sadly, some people lack the fucking brains to realise how stupid it is to sit a small child in a confined space like a car when they have no escape from years of passive smoking. some people will bitch about nanny state on this, but I say its more a reflection of how fucking retarded some people are that we need to put a law in place to make them realise its a dumb thing to do

[Mully]

I'd like there to be a law against it (and i think the law in AU is older than 6 too, IIRC, it might be 16).

[Luckylegs]

Good! But before you do that, ban them smokey arse pieces of diesel shit cars, trucks and vans that belch great clouds of noxious crap that fills my car and fucks my kids over!!!

Ignorant cnuts

[yod]

its more a reflection of how fucking retarded some people are that we need to put a law in place to make them realise its a dumb thing to do

got it in one

how sad is that?

[unstuck]

I will put my hand up here and say that i smoked for 30+yrs,and was one of the dumb cunts smoking in the car with my kids. Luckily i had sense enough early on to stop this stupid shit when they were still quite young. I see it now and reminds me what a dumb fuck i was.:yes:

[Luckylegs]

they did an ad campaign a while back about it, but it isnt illegal I dont think.
Id be for it though. Sadly, some people lack the fucking brains to realise how stupid it is to sit a small child in a confined space like a car when they have no escape from years of passive smoking. some people will bitch about nanny state on this, but I say its more a reflection of how fucking retarded some people are that we need to put a law in place to make them realise its a dumb thing to do

Oh c'mon a law to smoking in a place where a kid might be for maybe an hour a day, perhaps subjected to on one or two cigarettes but no talk of law to ban it in a house in which the kid spends hours upon hours and in which whole packets are smoked.

FFS what a waste of time.

[Madness]

No law required IMHO. It'll fuck with the fundamentals of the whole Kleen-O-Gene process.

[SMOKEU]

Good! But before you do that, ban them smokey arse pieces of diesel shit cars, trucks and vans that belch great clouds of noxious crap that fills my car and fucks my kids over!!!

Ignorant cnuts

I take great pride in owning a smokey old diesel, if someone tailgates me all I need to do is drive it hard and they get choked in smoke.

[Luckylegs]

I take great pride in owning a smokey old diesel, if someone tailgates me all I need to do is drive it hard and they get choked in smoke.

Dude, in some cases you need only be in the same post code!

[Mom]

Oh c'mon a law to smoking in a place where a kid might be for maybe an hour a day, perhaps subjected to on one or two cigarettes but no talk of law to ban it in a house in which the kid spends hours upon hours and in which whole packets are smoked.

FFS what a waste of time.

I am with you on this one. Impossible to protect kids in this way. Smoking is dying a slow death anyway (pun intended). If you have not got through now to the hardened smokers about the dangers of it, you are unlikely to ever get it through to them. I always tried to be a considerate smoker, though I did manage to piss one bloke off for walking down the road with a smoke and he was sitting outside having a coffee :laugh:

I believe that you should ban smoking in cars full stop! No matter if it is with kids or without kids. Just no smoking in cars. A bit like cell phone use. Will stop the people in cars flicking their still buring ciggies out the window into the laps of following motorcycles too :yes:

[yod]

Oh c'mon a law to smoking in a place where a kid might be for maybe an hour a day, perhaps subjected to on one or two cigarettes but no talk of law to ban it in a house in which the kid spends hours upon hours and in which whole packets are smoked.

FFS what a waste of time.

wow, just wow :facepalm:

[saltydog]

Oh c'mon a law to smoking in a place where a kid might be for maybe an hour a day, perhaps subjected to on one or two cigarettes but no talk of law to ban it in a house in which the kid spends hours upon hours and in which whole packets are smoked.

FFS what a waste of time.
But a car is a small confined space where the occupants have no choice if the driver chooses to blaze a ciggy. if I was a kid and my oldies ciggy smoke was pissing me off I'd go to my room, or outside? no?

[Luckylegs]

wow, just wow :facepalm:

Let me know when you've learnt to string a sentence together with some multi syllable words eh?

[Luckylegs]

But a car is a small confined space where the occupants have no choice if the driver chooses to blaze a ciggy. if I was a kid and my oldies ciggy smoke was pissing me off I'd go to my room, or outside? no?

Maybe, I'm going off my experience of having grown up in a smokers house. I don't think going outside was always an option, especially when younger, and just about every room in the place was at least a little smokey.

...I'm not against the law change, just don't think it goes far enough so by itself probably won't make that much difference.

He'll, if i was the boss, id just ban smokin altogether

[FJRider]

... I say its more a reflection of how fucking retarded some people are that we need to put a law in place to make them realise its a dumb thing to do

it gets worse ...

those SAME people (retards) ... (well SOME retards)

STILL do it ...

Even when they KNOW it's illegal .... AND DUMB ....

[helenoftroy]

Im a Duty Manager at Burwood hospital,remember a couple of years ago being notified that a new mum & baby(baby had been born 2 hours before at another hospital...)that were being transferred, had arrived at main entrance

Went out to find mum & 2 other woman in car with newborn,the women were all smoking as the car stopped.....The car was thick with smoke!!

My disgust & anger was beyond belief :oi-grr:

Have had to argue with women who have literally just delivered their babies & are aggressively demanding a wheelchair so they can go outside for a cigarette....one woman hadn't delivered her placenta FFS !!!

[Smifffy]

Make it illegal, and use the fine to offset the ACC levies on rego.

Maybe we could even raise enough money to up the 4km/h tolerance a little too.

[jazfender]

Its started pissing me off...

I can tell you're an ex-smoker.

[yod]

Let me know when you've learnt to string a sentence together with some multi syllable words eh?

You resort to condescension because you cannot justify your position. How banal of you.

[Luckylegs]

You resort to condescension because you cannot justify your position. How banal of you.

Please! You merely got back what you yourself had posted. I put forward an idea/argument and you replied with a facepalm, that was pretty condescending too dont you think. No matter, fact remains, that had you actually replied with something with a little more substance perhaps a meaningful discussion/debate could have ensued.

Meh whatever, we dont actually disagree so its all a little pointless really

[scumdog]

Ban ciggies.

Solved!:woohoo:

[scissorhands]

Smoking around kids will increase their likelihood of becoming smokers when they grow up.

I remember as a kid quite clearly men with the 'kauri' tobacco red and white tin box rolling and smoking. I was quite enthralled by it all.

I wonder if they'll ban all the harmful extra additives like polonium in cigarettes?

50 stupid laws from 50 states

http://www.elistmania.com/still/50_stupid_laws_from_50_states/

In Idaho: A person may not be seen in public without a smile on their face

In Kentucky: A woman may not buy a hat without her husband's permission

In Montana: Seven or more Indians are considered a raiding or war party and it is legal to shoot them

[unstuck]

Dont know about that one, My old man smoked like a train when we were kids,and all four of us became smokers.But i smoked around my kids when they were young,and none of mine smoke.:blink:

[saltydog]

I can tell you're an ex-smoker.

Yeah but I work on fishing boats so I might as well be! I just laugh when someone throws a packet of ciggies over the side and two days later are crawling around on the deck begging to be able to smoke anything! When a smoker says "I'm giving up, this is my last packet" I just encourage them, cos 9 times out of 10 they get back on the wagon as soon as we hit port. I saw this fella on an ice trip once (2-3 months at sea in antartica) start collecting butts off the deck in week one. The crew paid out on him, called him a humu etc, but 2 months later he was selling the recycled butts back to them for $100 a packet!
Its hard to knock them but when you do....no looking back!
But yeah, kids, cars and ciggies dont mix.....or new born mothers!!!

[cbfb]

Ban ciggies.

Solved!:woohoo:

Hallelujah, the voice of reason.

Fuck the tobacco companies and the government profiting off killing people. If the powers that be had any balls they'd ban it outright. I was a smoker for 16 years and I've yet to meet anyone who genuinely enjoys smoking and wouldn't want to give up... but I have met plenty of deluded people who mistake chemical addiction for enjoyment.

EDIT: Oh and smoking in cars should be banned, period. NZ drivers are shit enough without having another bloody distraction or an accident Big Lebowski style. Yep been there done that several times flicking a butt out the window only for it to fly back and land in the crack between the seat and the door and start smouldering the carpet (all at 100km/h).

[Swoop]

id just ban smokin altogether
That is never going to happen. The gubbinment get too much tax income from the sale of this product.

In Montana: Seven or more Indians are considered a raiding or war party and it is legal to shoot them
Could be quite dodgy going down to the local dairy then!

[Camshaft]

[QUOTE=Swoop;1130072024]That is never going to happen. The gubbinment get too much tax income from the sale of this product.

and it regulates population growth to an extent!

[Luckylegs]

That is never going to happen. The gubbinment get too much tax income from the sale of this product.

Meh, they can just bump up income tax, gst, fuel tax etc to re-coup. Im sure all the people so happy to tell smokers what they can and cant do will be happy to pay.

The smokefree nz tax. COOL!!

[PrincessBandit]

I can still remember as a kid being cooped up my in grandparents little car, both of them smoking, windows right up...
Mum (back then, what with us being young nippers and all, so she was a "young daughter-in-law") felt she couldn't say anything but she was really pissed about it.

Thankfully it didn't happen too many times. (Probably because we didn't see them all that often).

[mashman]

I bet the kids'll be allowed to smoke in the car though :shifty:

Ban it... it shouldn't be allowed... although I have been guilty of hanging out of the passenger window having a puff whilst stuck in traffic, with the girls in the back :facepalm:.

[jaffaonajappa]

Ban ciggies?
Ban alcohol too. Far more expensive to the nation, and dangerous to your health.
While you are at it, ban motorbikes too. Cars are safer - ask the mothafukn experts.
And ban people not being bar coded too - would make things heaps easier for the plod.

And tell them returned servicemen that you are doing this for their own benefit......while thanking them for safeguarding your freedom to remove freedoms from our future generations.

[scumdog]

Ban ciggies?
Ban alcohol too. Far more expensive to the nation, and dangerous to your health.
While you are at it, ban motorbikes too. Cars are safer - ask the mothafukn experts.
And ban people not being bar coded too - would make things heaps easier for the plod.

And tell them returned servicemen that you are doing this for their own benefit......while thanking them for safeguarding your freedom to remove freedoms from our future generations.

Alcohol and ciggies have no practical use - wouldn't worry me if they were not here.

Bikes and cars you can at least make use of.

having a bad day chook??

[jaffaonajappa]

having a bad day chook??

nah, not till I read this post I guess.

Hate it when any group thinks about removing Individuals Free Choice, drives me nuts. But especially sad to hear BIKERS condoning it - remember once hearing that bikers were about freedom of choice - choosing to do things perhaps slightly unordinary - and encouraging joe bloggs to simply accept others for what they are. Live and Let Live, I guess.

[Smifffy]

Ban ciggies.

Solved!:woohoo:

Probably would have happened if Chairman Helen & Comrade Cullen had gotten another couple of terms under their belts.

For the good of the people.

Tax the suppliers not the addicts.

;)

[ducatilover]

Hallelujah, the voice of reason.

Fuck the tobacco companies and the government profiting off killing people. If the powers that be had any balls they'd ban it outright. I was a smoker for 16 years and I've yet to meet anyone who genuinely enjoys smoking and wouldn't want to give up... but I have met plenty of deluded people who mistake chemical addiction for enjoyment.


I go months without a smoke with no cravings and just take it up again, I do enjoy it.
I don't smoke much though.
It seems I do 8 week stints, it boggles all around me who smoke who cry and moan after a day without nicotine. I do rather enjoy it, but there is no doubt an addiction there.

[jazfender]

Nothing reinforces the 'us vs them' mentality than a pack of non-smokers vigorously campaigning to ban it.

[PrincessBandit]

Nothing reinforces the 'us vs them' mentality than a pack of non-smokers vigorously campaigning to ban it.

I've never smoked although my dad smoked pretty much all his life. The thing about smoking is that non-smokers inhale the smell and byproducts whether they want to or not. Yes, there are times I've felt a bit sorry for smokers being herded off into certain areas or "smoking rooms" or just "outside" when they want a puff, especially when the weather means that outdoors is not a pleasant option. But on the other hand I don't want to be forced to breathe in their ciggie either.
Smokers often forget that what they find pleasant or enjoyable is downright irritating (literally, to the lungs and nose) and sometimes very unpleasant to non-smokers who are forced (by proximity) to sniff up their stink.

[jaffaonajappa]

I've never smoked although my dad smoked pretty much all his life. The thing about smoking is that non-smokers inhale the smell and byproducts whether they want to or not. Yes, there are times I've felt a bit sorry for smokers being herded off into certain areas or "smoking rooms" or just "outside" when they want a puff, especially when the weather means that outdoors is not a pleasant option. But on the other hand I don't want to be forced to breathe in their ciggie either.
Smokers often forget that what they find pleasant or enjoyable is downright irritating (literally, to the lungs and nose) and sometimes very unpleasant to non-smokers who are forced (by proximity) to sniff up their stink.

Completely agree. Making smokers partake that filthy habit in an area not affecting others is All good.

Banning ciggaretes because they are 'bad', as someone else recommended, is not ok.
Two seperate issues......

[Clockwork]

What a bunch of nay saying wowsers.... I'm surprised there is anything left that is legal with attitudes like this.... "Oh as as long as it doesn't affect me. and I find it the least bit irritating that others do it, yeah we should ban it" It is a democracy after all, if the majority don't do somthing, fuck the minority, they should have no rights at all! Divide and rule eh.... so long as a group is a minority who cares if we take away their rights!

Only problem with that is that attitude is that pretty soon everything will be banned (including motor bikes), won't the world be a grey place then.

Sheesh talk about the tyranny of the majority. As minority road users you'ld think you lot would be a bit more sympathetic to other minority groups!

[Ocean1]

won't the world be a grey place then.

For most people who've been around for a while it already is.

[jaffaonajappa]

For most people who've been around for a while it already is.

My great grandad once told me something similar, as told by his great grandad.....dating back to the 1800's.

This may have less to do with the changing world, than....

I have a feeling

[mashman]

I've never smoked although my dad smoked pretty much all his life. The thing about smoking is that non-smokers inhale the smell and byproducts whether they want to or not. Yes, there are times I've felt a bit sorry for smokers being herded off into certain areas or "smoking rooms" or just "outside" when they want a puff, especially when the weather means that outdoors is not a pleasant option. But on the other hand I don't want to be forced to breathe in their ciggie either.
Smokers often forget that what they find pleasant or enjoyable is downright irritating (literally, to the lungs and nose) and sometimes very unpleasant to non-smokers who are forced (by proximity) to sniff up their stink.

Do you feel the same way about car/lorry/bus/motorcycle fumes? :innocent:

[eelracing]

nah, not till I read this post I guess.

Hate it when any group thinks about removing Individuals Free Choice, drives me nuts. But especially sad to hear BIKERS condoning it - remember once hearing that bikers were about freedom of choice - choosing to do things perhaps slightly unordinary - and encouraging joe bloggs to simply accept others for what they are. Live and Let Live, I guess.


What a bunch of nay saying wowsers.... I'm surprised there is anything left that is legal with attitudes like this.... "Oh as as long as it doesn't affect me. and I find it the least bit irritating that others do it, yeah we should ban it" It is a democracy after all, if the majority don't do somthing, fuck the minority, they should have no rights at all! Divide and rule eh.... so long as a group is a minority who cares if we take away their rights!

Only problem with that is that attitude is that pretty soon everything will be banned (including motor bikes), won't the world be a grey place then.

Sheesh talk about the tyranny of the majority. As minority road users you'ld think you lot would be a bit more sympathetic to other minority groups!

Worth repeating as there is nothing more to be said

[jazfender]

Smokers often forget that what they find pleasant or enjoyable is downright irritating (literally, to the lungs and nose) and sometimes very unpleasant to non-smokers who are forced (by proximity) to sniff up their stink.

yeah? Well I find fucking lynx deodorant ratherrr unpleasant (wot wot).

I don't mind smoking outside, but I do mind people trying to ban smoking outside. do these people realise how much outside there actually is? google research suggests: lots.

Same thing as walking down the street and catching a whiff of snazzy mcsnazzshoes jock boy wearing his Armani. It's repulsive but you deal with it.

[scumdog]

Sheesh talk about the tyranny of the majority. As minority road users you'ld think you lot would be a bit more sympathetic to other minority groups!

Quite right, get into them!:woohoo:

After all, why shouldn't 'the tail wag the dog'???:blink:

It does in enough sectors of NZ society, what's one more...

[eelracing]

Quite right, get into them!:woohoo:

After all, why shouldn't 'the tail wag the dog'???:blink:

It does in enough sectors of NZ society, what's one more...

Yeah fair enough,lets introduce another law to distract cops from catching real criminals.

[jaffaonajappa]

Yeah fair enough,lets introduce another law to distract cops from catching real criminals.

Cant. The parking Wardens would go on strike.

[ducatilover]

I had a dream last night that I had free will and a valued opinion.

What the fuck was that? :innocent:

[Okey Dokey]

Dont know about that one, My old man smoked like a train when we were kids,and all four of us became smokers.But i smoked around my kids when they were young,and none of mine smoke.:blink:

Yes, it is not a hard and fast rule. My parents both smoked like chimneys and not one of we 4 kids have ever taken it up.

I have hellish memories of car trips, especially in winter. I would just crack the window open a little and stick my nostrils there for some air. Soon enough one of the grownups would make me close the window because "I was letting all the heat out" GAHH!! I feel ill remembering...

Watching tv at night I would lie as flat as I could on the floor to get below the haze of smoke hanging in the room. I am not exaggerating this at all.

The most amazing revelation came when I returned home for a visit after my first 3 months at uni. My first 3 months away from home. I was so glad to see my old pussycat when he came to the front door to greet me. I picked him up for a cuddle. And OMG the poor cat STUNK of ciggy smoke.

And so must have I for the first 17 years of my life.

[jazfender]

I had a dream last night that I had free will and a valued opinion.

What the fuck was that? :innocent:

just a dream dude.

[Latte]

Yes, it is not a hard and fast rule. My parents both smoked like chimneys and not one of we 4 kids have ever taken it up.

I have hellish memories of car trips, especially in winter. I would just crack the window open a little and stick my nostrils there for some air. Soon enough one of the grownups would make me close the window because "I was letting all the heat out" GAHH!! I feel ill remembering...

Watching tv at night I would lie as flat as I could on the floor to get below the haze of smoke hanging in the room. I am not exaggerating this at all.

The most amazing revelation came when I returned home for a visit after my first 3 months at uni. My first 3 months away from home. I was so glad to see my old pussycat when he came to the front door to greet me. I picked him up for a cuddle. And OMG the poor cat STUNK of ciggy smoke.

And so must have I for the first 17 years of my life.

Yeah I remember walking into the lounge at home around sunset and the sun would strike the layer of cigarette smoke that was about chest height and made it look like a morning fog on the river... beautiful :facepalm:

[lone_slayer]

Iam very much in the ban ciggies camp. But would be very happy with them just been sold in liquer stores.... Think how many people will stop if they cant buy them with there petrol or weekly shop. If you have to make a special trip for them alot of people will quit. Also this makes it alot easier to police the R18 on them...

[Okey Dokey]

Yeah I remember walking into the lounge at home around sunset and the sun would strike the layer of cigarette smoke that was about chest height and made it look like a morning fog on the river... beautiful :facepalm:

And yet as kid you just accept it as a normal part of life.

I also remember learning that smoking causes cancer etc etc at school when I was about 8 years old. I rushed home to tell my mother that what she was doing was bad and she should stop! She was sitting there on the sofa smoking. She just gave me this unblinking sort of stare, and took a second cig out of the pack, put it in her mouth, and lit it. Then did the same with a third. Then a fourth.

I ran out of the room crying at that point. Never discussed smoking with her again.

[jaffaonajappa]

I
with them just been sold in liquer stores.... Think how many people will stop if they cant buy them with there petrol or weekly shop. If you have to make a special trip for them alot of people will quit. Also this makes it alot easier to police the R18 on them...


Yeah, this ideas not too bad actually.
Caters to both camps? Free choice for hte smokers, yet reduces their access (and advertising etc).
Would it increase alcohol usage?

Novel idea tho - hadnt heard this one before. Nice.

[cowboyz]

tell them to walk to school then!

ffs. every day they shuffling (my personal freedom to kill myself and those I care about slowly)

I think they should pass a law that says no one is allowed to leave their house without a big ball of cottenwool.

[unstuck]

I think snowball fights are banned in tasmania.:yes:

[jaffaonajappa]

I think snowball fights are banned in tasmania.:yes:

they were banned....to protect...the snowballs.

[scumdog]

Yeah I remember walking into the lounge at home around sunset and the sun would strike the layer of cigarette smoke that was about chest height and made it look like a morning fog on the river... beautiful :facepalm:


I remember as a school-kid going to a Deerstalkers Association slide show (remember them??) and by the end of the night you could hardly see the sceen from the back of the room, the colours on the screen were all milky - and I swear you could cut chunks out of the 'cone of smoke' between the projector and screen.

[unstuck]

Friday afternoon movies,you didnt want to sit at the back if you wanted to watch the movie cos you couldnt see through the cloud of ciggy and pot smoke.:innocent: