Which political party would be good for motorcyclists?

[crystalball]

:corn: Now I know who we have now isin't, but anybody got some tips for a fellow kiwibiker on whom would be better to vote for? I will look it up on internet later but good to hear from use as well.:yes:

[unstuck]

Define GOOD for me please.:innocent:

[Maha]

''from use''?....dear oh dear...:facepalm:

[unstuck]

''from use''?....dear oh dear...:facepalm:

Ok, ewes. is that better?:innocent:

[Latte]

Left wing (Greens etc) don't want us burning up petrol so we should be quietly disposed of.
Right Wing (Act etc) see us as rebels and nonconfirmists so we should be quietly disposed of.
Center Wing??! (Labour, National) see us as easy prey for taxes, or prime customers for the private insurance companies that takeover ACC.

Ho Hum, Resurrect McGillicuddy perhaps?

[98tls]

Bring back Rob, :gob:shit he would probably subsidise them if were lucky.

[Str8 Jacket]

Well we (KB) have every type of idiot needed to run a country so what better than to ask their opinion re voting...... What you need to know; They are all the same, just running in different directions, or not but maybe.

[unstuck]

But phil likes riding harleys. Oh wait, that may not be a good thing though.:shutup:

[Virago]

Bring back Rob, :gob:shit he would probably subsidise them if were lucky.

Yeah, right. He would limit imports, so you would go on a waiting list and then pay through the nose...:yes:

[Fatt Max]

Judging by the sound coming out of my pipes at the weekend, it would be the Farty Party.....

[Murray]

:corn: Now I know who we have now isin't, but anybody got some tips for a fellow kiwibiker on whom would be better to vote for? I will look it up on internet later but good to hear from use as well.:yes:

You're the crystal ball you tell us who wins!!!

[James Deuce]

None of them. Political parties care about votes. Somehow we failed to turn the biggest political demonstration in NZ history into an issue about votes.

It's turned into "How can we appease the NZ public and Politicians so we can be allowed to still ride our motorbikes, even if it means chopper flags and training wheels?"

[Maha]

None of them. Political parties care about votes. Somehow we failed to turn the biggest political demonstration in NZ history into an issue about votes.

It's turned into "How can we appease the NZ public and Politicians so we can be allowed to still ride our motorbikes, even if it means chopper flags and training wheels?"

When was that?...:corn:

[crystalball]

sweet o.k i know who to vote for now --------> party over there.
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[HenryDorsetCase]

Mana Party obviously.

except if you are a new zealander, or of european descent, or an employer, or an employee, or a contractor, or any form of tax payer, or anyone with an IQ over say 50, or are male or female, or transgender.

[HenryDorsetCase]

None of them. Political parties care about votes. Somehow we failed to turn the biggest political demonstration in NZ history into an issue about votes.

It's turned into "How can we appease the NZ public and Politicians so we can be allowed to still ride our motorbikes, even if it means chopper flags and training wheels?"

Presumably that has been the basis of your correspondence to your local MP, Mr Key and his bunch of evil minions, and the basis of you organising the resistance in your area?

No?

Didnt think so.

[NinjaNanna]

Motorcycling is such a small part of my life it barely rates a mention as to what's important for me in a government.

Sure ACC has taken an extra $250 a year from me - but I can tell you now that's fuck all compared to what a bad government could take.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Motorcycling is such a small part of my life it barely rates a mention as to what's important for me in a government.

Sure ACC has taken an extra $250 a year from me - but I can tell you now that's fuck all compared to what this bad government is taking.

being a smart arse

I dont think the other sort would be any better.

A pox on all of them!

Remember, no matter who you vote for, the government gets in.

[SPman]

None of the fuckers!

They're politicians!

We're their prey!

Fuck'em all!

[unstuck]

None of the fuckers!

They're politicians!

We're their prey!

Fuck'em all!

Good attitude dude, im sure you will go far.:rockon:

[98tls]

Yeah, right. He would limit imports, so you would go on a waiting list and then pay through the nose...:yes:

You needed a better accountant back then V,you could bring a 351 Cleveland over from Aus with the intention of using it in a vehicle (of sorts) to be used for mustering:facepalm:and you were practically paid to do it.He made my old man pretty wealthy all things considered.

[James Deuce]

Presumably that has been the basis of your correspondence to your local MP, Mr Key and his bunch of evil minions, and the basis of you organising the resistance in your area?

No?

Didnt think so.

No actually, I'm not in favour of appeasement.

[jaffaonajappa]

Motorcycling is such a small part of my life it barely rates a mention as to what's important for me in a government.

Sure ACC has taken an extra $250 a year from me - but I can tell you now that's fuck all compared to what a bad government could take.

Couldnt have put it better myself.
While bikes are important to me, my hoby, love my bikes....I like the idea that we can afford to educate and provide some basic healthcare to my kids, more so.

Biker issues wont be in the mix for me, come election day.

And you guys not voting - stop spouting off your opinions online ok, thanks!

(Note - I didnt quite answer the 'who will you vote for?' bwahahaha)

[98tls]

I like the idea that we can afford to educate and provide some basic healthcare to my kids, more so.



:blink:WTF,try living in the country fella,the kids spend more time on the school bus than they do at school,seems we cant afford schools outside of cities.Same goes for healthcare,no offence but who the fuck in there right mind wants to live in any of them.

[Big Dave]

Don't vote. It only encourages them.

[jazfender]

no confidence.

[Hitcher]

No political party is going to suck up to motorcyclists. Why should they? There are few votes to be gained or real issues worth losing sleep about.

And, in return, what are bikers going to do for a political party that pandered to them, other than whinge and moan.

Bikers are incapable of supporting the political channels they currently have. BRONZ comes and goes like Jehovah's Witnesses on a Saturday. People get pissed off with it and set up an alternative that comes and goes like the Mormons on a Saturday. Democracy is a fickle thing that presumes people are capable of exercising free will and making reasoned choices.

[unstuck]

Or we could have no government at all,that would be cool wouldnt it.Then we could all do what we want.Anarchy in nz.:woohoo::rockon:

[Goblin]

None of them are worth voting for, they're all the same. Do a protest vote...a big X through the whole voting paper.

[unstuck]

None of them are worth voting for, they're all the same. Do a protest vote...a big X through the whole voting paper.

So whats your answer?? Anarchy??:innocent:

[Goblin]

So whats your answer?? Anarchy??:innocent:Not at all. Im just sick of the same old bullshit promises, same old greedy pricks wanting to be in "power" to line their own pockets. We need to show these arseholes we're not happy with them. You wont do that by not voting at all. I'd like to see what would happen if enough people did protest vote.

[oneofsix]

Not at all. Im just sick of the same old bullshit promises, same old greedy pricks wanting to be in "power" to line their own pockets. We need to show these arseholes we're not happy with them. You wont do that by not voting at all. I'd like to see what would happen if enough people did protest vote.

Bring back the McGullicuddy Serious Party. I reckon they gave up when they got too close to actually winning seats. :rockon:

[oldrider]

Left wing (Greens etc) don't want us burning up petrol so we should be quietly disposed of.
Right Wing (Act etc) see us as rebels and nonconfirmists so we should be quietly disposed of.
Center Wing??! (Labour, National) see us as easy prey for taxes, or prime customers for the private insurance companies that takeover ACC.

Ho Hum, Resurrect McGillicuddy perhaps?

Right Wing (Act etc) see us as rebels and nonconfirmists so we should be quietly disposed of.

OK but where did you get this information/opinion from? :confused:

[James Deuce]

Bring back the McGullicuddy Serious Party. I reckon they gave up when they got too close to actually winning seats. :rockon:

That's correct, that was part of the charter.

[unstuck]

There seems to be a lot of anti government opinions on this thread, but no real solutions or alternatives. Surely if you are opposed to something you have an idea or opinion on a solution. Seems a bit weak to say" down with the government" without a backup plan.:yes:

[oneofsix]

That's correct, that was part of the charter.

I understand why it would have been part of their charter and is totally in line with what McGillicuddy were but it does leave NZ voters without a protest vote option. It is a pity that the other parties didn't take notice and clean up their acts instead of McGillicuddy having to disband. Perhaps, politicians being as thick as they are, it would have required McGillicuddy to actually occupy seats in parliament and make it ineffective.
I don't think they would have been good for motorcyclists however with their great leap backwards policy and the return to horse and cart.

[James Deuce]

I don't think they would have been good for motorcyclists however with their great leap backwards policy and the return to horse and cart.

But it is one of those moves that would have been empowering for people with shovels. You can't deny that.

[oneofsix]

But it is one of those moves that would have been empowering for people with shovels. You can't deny that.

and gardeners, or are they included as people with shovels?

[unstuck]

politicians being as thick as they are,

I have to disagree. Where else can you get a job where you do sweet fuck all and get paid shitloads of money, free travel and all the other perks that they get. I would suggest they are extremely smart.:yes:

[rustyrobot]

Not only do they get all those perks - their job interview process pretty much consists of them lying to as many people as possible, and looking good on billboards. Imagine if you could make such baseless promises for any job you applied for - and then never had to stand by the promises you made. It would certainly make interviews a hell of a lot easier.

"If you give me this job I will triple productivity, halve expenditure and leave the entire company feeling satisfied and happy".

"You didn't manage to do any of those things"

"Oh Sorry, the outgoing employee left the position in a much worse situation than I had realised when I made those statements. I think I'll give myself a raise now."

[avgas]

So whats your answer?? Anarchy??:innocent:
Something tells me if we cant stop ACC levies going up or a Wellywood sign going up......Anarchy is a long shot for NZ.
So lets remove the government and find out......Who knows it could be a better world.

[oneofsix]

Something tells me if we cant stop ACC levies going up or a Wellywood sign going up......Anarchy is a long shot for NZ.
So lets remove the government and find out......Who knows it could be a better world.

Anarchy could work in NZ. We don't care enough to run riot and its full of people that know what the law is without ever having read it.

[oldrider]

Something tells me if we cant stop ACC levies going up or a Wellywood sign going up......Anarchy is a long shot for NZ.
So lets remove the government and find out......Who knows it could be a better world.

Careful what you wish for, look at what is going on in the Arab states!

What are we going to replace the current load of wankers with ... worse wankers with guns!

When the peasants decide to revolt, you usually just end up with revolting peasant! :facepalm:

[unstuck]

Holy shit, I better start stocking up on guns and ammo. Your obviously all friggin mad.:yes::innocent:Woohoo, would be good to shoot a few Gorons though as they are doing laps on a friday night,I might set up myself a sniper nest in the clocktower in town, just in case.:woohoo:

[rustyrobot]

Careful what you wish for, look at what is going on in the Arab states!

What are we going to replace the current load of wankers with ... worse wankers with guns!


You sure have an interesting analysis of the Arab uprisings. It looks to me like they are attempting to replace the current 'wankers with guns' with something resembling representative democracy.

Besides, I think what these folks are suggesting is Anarchism (no rulers, not "no rules") rather than anarchy (chaos).

We operate in an Anarchistic way a lot of the time. Some of the key principles of Anarchism are mutual aid (helping each other out), solidarity (sticking by each other) and consensus based decision making (rather than loudest/most wins). Don't need a politician to decide which way to go when you're on a group ride. :)

[unstuck]

Baahh Baahh Baahh were all sheep.:yes:

[Banditbandit]

:corn: Now I know who we have now isin't, but anybody got some tips for a fellow kiwibiker on whom would be better to vote for? I will look it up on internet later but good to hear from use as well.:yes:

None of them .. I'm of the view "Don't vote - only politicians win"

[Banditbandit]

There seems to be a lot of anti government opinions on this thread, but no real solutions or alternatives. Surely if you are opposed to something you have an idea or opinion on a solution. Seems a bit weak to say" down with the government" without a backup plan.:yes:

A solution ???? Shit people have been arguing that one since the Greeks invented Democracy ... and you want this bunch of non-conformist dipshits to come up with one? Dream on.

[puddytat]

I reckon it'd have to be the Greens 'cause so are Kawasakis......

[avgas]

Careful what you wish for, look at what is going on in the Arab states!

What are we going to replace the current load of wankers with ... worse wankers with guns!

When the peasants decide to revolt, you usually just end up with revolting peasant! :facepalm:
Nah nothing would change really. We would just end up actually listening to the NZX rather than ignoring it and then having it fed to us another way.

[oldrider]

How would it go if there was a "Disenchanted" box to tick at election time, to show that they all piss us off!

I think there would be a fairly high number (%) of disenchanted voters! :yes:

[avgas]

How would it go if there was a "Disenchanted" box to tick at election time, to show that they all piss us off!

I think there would be a fairly high number (%) of disenchanted voters! :yes:
I have argued that if there was a box that said "No parties, no members" on an election form, and for every 5% that got they would throw a seat out of parliament.......you would get record turnout at the polls.
I estimate that 4 or so seats would go also......

[crystalball]

anyway when is voting day lol.:facepalm:

[rainman]

HI think there would be a fairly high number (%) of disenchanted voters! :yes:

Good idea but it would never work... too few people would be able to understand such a long word.

[avgas]

Good idea but it would never work... too few people would be able to understand such a long word.
Could always put - "Other" on the form

[jaffaonajappa]

Could always put - "Other" on the form

This is how the Greens got in parliament in the 1st place...

[HQfiend]

Vote for the Zumwohl political party. And no this not a pisstake!

By bikers for bikers and ordinary people.

Platform is basically thus far.

Reversal of the ACC levies on motorcycles with review and then fair spread of fees across all road users. Also to levy user rather than vehicle.

Good food tax structure. Lower taxes/GST on healthy foods, raise them on unhealthy foods.

More to come.

[superman]

Good food tax structure. Lower taxes/GST on healthy foods, raise them on unhealthy foods.

:facepalm: Well surely this is a pisstake...

[Swoop]

We would just end up actually listening to the NZX...
The NZX is a hardcore porno mag. How does one listen to a magazine?:scratch:

[jaffaonajappa]

The NZX is a hardcore porno mag. How does one listen to a magazine?:scratch:

With great sensitivity?
:bye: