Oh come on

[nzmikey]

Soooo who is able to not go above 54kmh or 104kmh
coz this weekend if you get caught doing more than 4 over you are done :facepalm:
they claim it saves lives . Personally i think that you end up spending more time making sure that you are not speeding than you do making sure that you are being safe .

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5092419/Holiday-speed-tolerance-set-at-4kmh

[Kendog]

Soooo who is able to not go above 54kmh or 104kmh
coz this weekend if you get caught doing more than 4 over you are done :facepalm:
they claim it saves lives . Personally i think that you end up spending more time making sure that you are not speeding than you do making sure that you are being safe .

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5092419/Holiday-speed-tolerance-set-at-4kmh
Old news, happens all the time now so we need to just get used to it.

[malfunconz]

NZherald

Lower speed tolerance extended to all public holidays
Police will be permanently reducing their speed tolerance to 4km/h over the limit for all public holidays…


joy joy joy ..... what a pay day for the govt .

:facepalm:

[Winston001]

What are you worried about? The speed limit is 100kph but most of us exceed that by a considerable margin. That's what modern bikes do and its damned hard to keep the throttle off. But we know the rules and pay the fines. Or bin...

Honestly, whats the problem?

[Marmoot]

It was 5, now it's 4.
Next time it's gonna be 3, and they won't stop till it's 0.

[superman]

It was 5, now it's 4.
Next time it's gonna be 3, and they won't stop till it's 0.

-5 is my guess :innocent:

[avgas]

This thread is too nice.
Lets start one to see who can get the most speeding tickets this weekend :yes:.

I will personally pay someone $5 if they get the most speeding tickets this weekend.

[EJK]

This thread is too nice.
Lets start one to see who can get the most speeding tickets this weekend :yes:.

I will personally pay someone $5 if they get the most speeding tickets this weekend.

Sounds fun. I'll call $5 too.

Let the game commence.

[unstuck]

Nah, I may just drive at 45 or 95 and handle it.:yes:

[oneofsix]

Nah, I may just drive at 45 or 95 and handle it.:yes:

Lets make it 40 and 90, even drop it to 80 on the areas where there is no overtaking, especially tonight and Monday evening.
Really make the traffic queues massive, get the people annoyed and complaining about the 4 k tolerance.
BTW its always been 4k tolerance just like the usual one is 9k, it is just that people, especially media, find it easier to talk bout getting a ticket when you hit 5k or 10k over the limit.

I loved this comment about the introduction of the 4k tolerance on public holidays;
"Since then police had noticed a real difference in the number of road deaths during public holidays."

I call bullshit on that . They had been puzzling over the drops in public holiday road tolls long before they came up with the 4k thing.

[PrincessBandit]

Maybe it won't be too hard to stick to - the weather is supposed to be crap over the weekend. I'll be travelling (car) up from CHCH to Auckland over the weekend and my game will be to count how many cop cars and cameras I can see. (And how many drivers are pulled over ;) )

[Fatt Max]

The way it's going you wont be able to walk along the road without fear of a speeding ticket....

...wont affect me much though, eh...

[oneofsix]

Maybe it won't be too hard to stick to - the weather is supposed to be crap over the weekend. I'll be travelling (car) up from CHCH to Auckland over the weekend and my game will be to count how many cop cars and cameras I can see. (And how many drivers are pulled over ;) )

should add a points system to the game so you can add extra points for :police: at low accident areas that are good speed traps and in reduced speed zones like road work area where there is no work and no obstruction to traffic. :corn:

[Str8 Jacket]

Who the fuck would've thought that the cops would be out to enforce the law.

Jesus, next thing you know they'll be picking on motorbikes......

[oneofsix]

Who the fuck would've thought that the cops would be out to enforce the law.

Jesus, next thing you know they'll be picking on motorbikes......

Yep like they enforced the law on pistol grip rifles? Oh no thats right the court through that out and told them off over making up laws. :innocent:

[Jdogg]

And this from their police alert email that was sent out...

"On a dry road at 100km/h it takes 98 metres to stop under ideal conditions, that’s almost the length of a football field, but stopping distances are almost doubled when the road is wet"

Which I am calling them out on, after a wee google search all of the websites that I went to, do not back this claim especially taking into account modern braking systems blah blah it sure as hell does not double in wet conditions.

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/speed-limits/speed-limits_stopping-distances-cars.html

[imdying]

I'll just drive at 95... which with 10% exaggeration from my speedo should be about 86. I wonder if that will cause a problem on state highway 1? Wonder if anyone will die desperately trying to overtake me? It won't matter though, I won't get a speeding ticket as I'll be nice and legal :yes:

[nzmikey]

I spose what pisses me off is the fact of where they do it .
They dont do it in the black spots around our nations roads , they do it on the straights & hide . I thought the idea of it was to make sure you go slow on the dangerous bits ??

[oneofsix]

I'll just drive at 95... which with 10% exaggeration from my speedo should be about 86. I wonder if that will cause a problem on state highway 1? Wonder if anyone will die desperately trying to overtake me? It won't matter though, I won't get a speeding ticket as I'll be nice and legal :yes:

Not trying to overtake you. It will be the stupid accident due to overt or suppressed road rage later, or the kids or partner will get a hiding, or some innocent bystander. But hey Ms Whatherface from the police will be happy and the govt coffers will be richer.

[MarkH]

I thought the idea of it was to make sure you go slow on the dangerous bits ??

Nah, that would be a waste of time, not enough tickets would be given that way. On the long, straight, wide roads where it is safe to drive at 120 - that's where they can give out the most tickets and earn the maximum revenue!

They believe that the lower tolerance is working to lower the road toll, I believe that there is far too little data to conclude that. The sample size is pretty small and we have plenty of variation in the number of deaths from year to year regardless of whatever law enforcement changes they make. If we get a few high death toll long weekends despite the lower tolerance then what will they say? My guess is lower road tolls are BECAUSE of their policing policies and higher road tolls are DESPITE their policing policies, take the credit for the good and shrug off the bad.

[Swoop]

The weather will be the one thing that decides what happens on the roads.

Knowing the propensity of kiwi's to go and kill themselves on the roads during a long weekend...

4kph over? Big deal. Ride/drive to the conditions and avoid u-turning cop cars.

[Murray]

Having a beer at the clubrooms with a fellow biker on wednesday who thinks he's about to lose license for 3 months with demerots to come for speeding!! When fine arrived it had also added demerits for riding outside his license (over 250CC) even though the cop said he would not do him for that??

Anyway adding up the demerits he had been fined and received 10 points after being pulled up for "not riding to the conditions" He has stated that yes it was pissing down with rain but he was driving at or just under the 100 km speed limit. I have never heard of this one before??? Can they do this???

[tigertim20]

Soooo who is able to not go above 54kmh or 104kmh
coz this weekend if you get caught doing more than 4 over you are done :facepalm:
they claim it saves lives . Personally i think that you end up spending more time making sure that you are not speeding than you do making sure that you are being safe .

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5092419/Holiday-speed-tolerance-set-at-4kmh

Im sure plenty of people will say if you speed, tough luck, and I agree, However 4km/hr is a little insane, with speedo error easily approaching 10% + in some vehicles, some people will get pinged when their speedo say 95km/hr this weekend, and get ticketed, thats just not right.

While I agree if you choose to speed, you deserve a ticket, I think that a reasonable buffer should exist, to allow for things like speedo error. Im not aying that at 115 you shouldnt get a ticket, but a reasonable buffer should exist.

I know lots of people will point out that 100km/hr is the LIMIT, not the target, but with that attitude, and the way the speed tolerances are being set, in 5 years time, youll be driving down the road on an overcast day, doing 95km/hr, and a cop will pull you over and say '10 is the limit, drive to the conditions, I dont think you should be doing more than 90 on an overcast day, heres your ticket for 5km over what I think you should be doing.'

Set a reasonable limit, that people are able to actually observe then ping the ones who chose not to. 5km is simply unacheivable realistically for most people

[NighthawkNZ]

Anyway adding up the demerits he had been fined and received 10 points after being pulled up for "not riding to the conditions" He has stated that yes it was pissing down with rain but he was driving at or just under the 100 km speed limit. I have never heard of this one before??? Can they do this???

Was he riding in a dangerous manner or the like??? would be his word against MrPlod ... what was visibilty like, any fog or low cloud, then yes...

However I can happily ride at 100kph in the pooring rain ... but slightest bit of fog you need to slow down more as your visibilty is reduced and remember you must be able to stop in half the distance of visable road ahead of you etc etc etc blah blah blah rant rave...

[george formby]

IMHO these campaigns are aimed at the average (below?) driver who will be watching the clock trying to get too whichever batch/sale/relly over the weekend along with the rest of the herd.
I guess the Polis hope that putting the frighteners on with their 4kmh over message will make them think twice before doing something dumb.
No doubt with the crap weather forecast for the next couple of days the roads will be quieter & hopefully accident rates are low as a consequence. The real shit will be the police propaganda that it was their policy which had this effect on Tuesday morning.
Facts gentlemen, facts is what we need not spin & media stunts.
By the by, if your out on the bike this weekend & get pinged then you may as well consider yourself part of the herd & the polis to be doing a good job. No excuse.

[Dodgy]

Fuck it, I will drive everywhere at either 40 or 80kph. If speed is that dangerous - in particular over the long weekends, it pays to be double vigilant!

[superman]

Last I checked 19km over is still 19km over. So I'm unaffected. YAAAAY

The great thing about the fine system is it kind of encourages certain speeds, to the extremity of the next fine.

IE If I reckon I wanna go 105 in a 100 I might as well go 109 as the fine is the same. Same with the next bracket, if I don't mind the thought of geting a fine at 114 then I might as well go 119. Same demerits same cost.

It sure is fun being young and reckless :woohoo:... and bitter

[Scuba_Steve]

This thread is too nice.
Lets start one to see who can get the most speeding tickets this weekend :yes:.

I will personally pay someone $5 if they get the most speeding tickets this weekend.


Sounds fun. I'll call $5 too.

Let the game commence.

Sweet I'm in for that, I'll get back to ya'll Tuesday with my final count :woohoo:

[tigertim20]

Last I checked 19km over is still 19km over. So I'm unaffected. YAAAAY

The great thing about the fine system is it kind of encourages certain speeds, to the extremity of the next fine.

IE If I reckon I wanna go 105 in a 100 I might as well go 109 as the fine is the same. Same with the next bracket, if I don't mind the thought of geting a fine at 114 then I might as well go 119. Same demerits same cost.

It sure is fun being young and reckless :woohoo:... and bitter

haha good point!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Having a beer at the clubrooms with a fellow biker on wednesday who thinks he's about to lose license for 3 months with demerots to come for speeding!! When fine arrived it had also added demerits for riding outside his license (over 250CC) even though the cop said he would not do him for that??

Anyway adding up the demerits he had been fined and received 10 points after being pulled up for "not riding to the conditions" He has stated that yes it was pissing down with rain but he was driving at or just under the 100 km speed limit. I have never heard of this one before??? Can they do this???

www.getlawyeredup.com

[bsasuper]

There is a very slight possibility that this will cause more high speed persuits with motorcycles,being that the popo will call off a chase over 200kph.

[RDJ]

What are you worried about? The speed limit is 100kph but most of us exceed that by a considerable margin. That's what modern bikes do and its damned hard to keep the throttle off. But we know the rules and pay the fines. Or bin...

Honestly, whats the problem?

Possibly that with so many people target-fixated on the speedometer reading, they won't be looking at the surrounding traffic on the road...?

[RDJ]

My guess is lower road tolls are BECAUSE of their policing policies and higher road tolls are DESPITE their policing policies, take the credit for the good and shrug off the bad.

Agree. My guess (and it is only that) is that the prevailing culture trickling down from their political masters (no distinction between Labour and National) is to police the "transgressions" that are both relatively inexpensive and profitable to police - collecting speeding ticket money from middle-class drivers and riders who pay up; while not chasing so avidly the habitual fine dodgers and child-and wife-beaters who they'd need to send for expensive court trials. My guess is also that rank-and-file police people would dearly like to address as a priority the worst crimes against people especially children, but like most of us, have to do what they're told in their workplace. Just my guesses, your guesses may vary...

[funrunna]

the only way this could be bad for the cops is if a heap of people die on the roads this weekend, and I don't think any of us want that to happen for obvious reasons. I guess even if a heap of people do die, the response will be that the tolerance should be even lower. Not looking good for us riders.

[scumdog]

Soooo who is able to not go above 54kmh or 104kmh
coz this weekend if you get caught doing more than 4 over you are done :facepalm:
they claim it saves lives . Personally i think that you end up spending more time making sure that you are not speeding than you do making sure that you are being safe .



Cry me a river...:rolleyes:

"Waaah, I'm better looking at the road ahead than my speedo...waaah":facepalm:

[Scuba_Steve]

Cry me a river...:rolleyes:


:crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

[Gremlin]

FACT: There are less people out on the roads in miserable conditions... I know, because I have ridden on plenty of weekends, in all weather.
FACT: The total population of NZ is rising.

In bad weather, people don't respond to the conditions, and crash... just depends how bad the weather is.

In good weather, there are heaps of people out, and some still don't drive to the conditions, and crash.

Until the police start accepting the facts and obvious weather related stats, we'll keep seeing stupid policies... I wonder just how many people think the police are a) naive or b) incredibly stupid, when they trot out their predictable statements following the long weekend.

:facepalm:

[scumdog]

Until the police start accepting the facts and obvious weather related stats, we'll keep seeing stupid policies... I wonder just how many people think the police are a) naive or b) incredibly stupid, when they trot out their predictable statements following the long weekend.
:facepalm:


Oh yes they 'all' stand there nodding their heads in wise agreement that allowing only 4km over the speed limit is the be all and end all for reducing the road toll eh....

Knock it back to 70kph and tell the road users to harden up and like it or lump it is bound to be a sure fire cure for the road toll....and REALLY give the whingers something to rant on about.:yes:

[Old Steve]

I've got some specific opinions on this.

1. IT SUCKS!!! I got a ticket on New Years Day this year for doing 85 km/hr in an 80 km/hr zone along the side of Lake Rotoiti during a 4 km/hr tolerance period. I claimed that it being a holiday weekend, there were lots of children about and cars parked on the side of the road, plus a motorcyclist has to pay particular attention to the road condition. Therefore it was better for me to be paying attention to the road and the surrounding environment for hazards than riding with my eyes focussed on my speedo. Police Infringement Office response - "The posted limit was 80 km/hr, you were travelling at a speed above the posted limit."

2. It's not motorists and bikers travelling at 5 km/hr above the posted limit who are having accidents. It's the idiots in whatever vehicle who tarvel at 20, 30, 40 km/hr above the posted limit. Or those who's skill set is severely lacking. So it's not the 4 km/hr tolerance that lowers the accident rate, but the presence of large numbers of Police out on the roads enforcing the 4 km/hr tolerance limit which stops those idiots who would normally be doing far greater speeds.

3. Fines aren't much of a deterrent. When I lived in Australia the Police would announce double or triple demerit periods. That sure had an effect on driving behaviour.

[scumdog]

Possibly that with so many people target-fixated on the speedometer reading, they won't be looking at the surrounding traffic on the road...?


Shouldn't be on the road if they're that fuckin' incompetent...take that lot of ding-a-lings off the road and it might be possible to have a higher speed limit.

[Toaster]

Shouldn't be on the road if they're that fuckin' incompetent...take that lot of ding-a-lings off the road and it might be possible to have a higher speed limit.

Well said. A good rider had a good idea of their speed by experience and feel as well as using the instruments. We all know the limit and it is exactly that - a limit, not a target.

Rider incompetence is hardly going to win friends in Court. They will always tell you the limit is the maximum speed allowed under law - not a guidleline. A prudent rider would ensure they are at or under it, not there or thereabouts with a few over. It is never a defence and I would expect that the Government will eventually make it a year round new policy for enforcement.

No point whinging about it like children, get used to the consequences or go to a track to let off steam if you must. All of us give our bikes a bit of a go and it is only our fault if we get caught speeding.

[NighthawkNZ]

Possibly that with so many people target-fixated on the speedometer reading, they won't be looking at the surrounding traffic on the road...?
I target afixate on to Boobies all the time and I never land there...

[scumdog]

Well said. A good rider had a good idea of their speed by experience and feel as well as using the instruments. We all know the limit and it is exactly that - a limit, not a target.

Rider incompetence is hardly going to win friends in Court. They will always tell you the limit is the maximum speed allowed under law - not a guidleline. A prudent rider would ensure they are at or under it, not there or thereabouts with a few over. It is never a defence and I would expect that the Government will eventually make it a year round new policy for enforcement.



And the purile ones amongst us will say "Oh well, if they go that way I'm going to ride at 90kph, it'll hold up traffic and cause problems and piss them off":weird:

"Oh boy, that'll show them eh, that'll learn 'em that I don't take shit, no siree bob!":rolleyes::tugger:

[Scuba_Steve]

Shouldn't be on the road if they're that fuckin' incompetent...take that lot of ding-a-lings off the road and it might be possible to have a higher speed limit.

But you guys never go after them! what ya'll should be hassling this weekend is "Failure to keep left" & "impeding the flow of traffic" Not "you were going 4km/h over a speed limit made up by a moron that is of the former groups"

[scumdog]

I target afixate on to Boobies all the time and I never land there...


Aw go on, I bet you HAVE now and them...:msn-wink:

[NighthawkNZ]

Aw go on, I bet you HAVE now and them...:msn-wink:

okay... maybe once or twice... but it was a lucky shot...

[Toaster]

And the purile ones amongst us will say "Oh well, if they go that way I'm going to ride at 90kph, it'll hold up traffic and cause problems and piss them off":weird:

"Oh boy, that'll show them eh, that'll learn 'em that I don't take shit, no siree bob!":rolleyes::tugger:


Then they will wonder why they get an infringement notice for impeeding the flow of traffic.:innocent:

[Gremlin]

Oh yes they 'all' stand there nodding their heads in wise agreement that allowing only 4km over the speed limit is the be all and end all for reducing the road toll eh....
There are a few good ones... they usually don't stomach the bullshit for too many years...

It's the ones like Supt Paula Rose that are as bright as Theresa Gattung saying the country was better off under a monopoly :facepalm:

[ynot slow]

Ah well long weekend,heaps of cars on SH2 tonight,passing lanes looked like crazy guy fauks with lights indicating,dipping etc.Sat in behind a car using his lights and at 105-110km,and all ok.
Short while later he turned off the road(and was 6.15pm)so dark now,and end up in que of traffic,but knew a passing lane was ahead,sure enough traffic sitting between 80-105km depending on idiot in front of line,then the uphill passing lane becons,so they decide hmmm 3 lanes it's safe to go faster,wider road and that shit,the car in front of me attempted a pass of 4 or so cars and said race leader from old folks home,we get passed ok in end,but car in front of me ended up doing 140km and I'm not much slower,and Stirling Moss in front is trying to keep his lead befor pit stop I think.Behind in mirrors you could see the cars peel out but because the lead car sped up,it looked like lights,and camera but no action,a few just pulled back into line,gained nothing and lead car probably slowed to sedately 85km.

[short-circuit]

There are a few good ones... they usually don't stomach the bullshit for too many years...


I can only imagine that the ones that stay must:

a) be absolute arseholes
b) be as thick as pigshite
c) have fuck all employment prospects
d) be social lepers
e) be afflicted by a combination or all of the above

[scumdog]

I can only imagine that the one's that stay must:

a) be absolute arseholes
b) be as thick as pigshite
c) have fuck all employment prospects
d) be social lepers
e) be afflicted by a combination or all of the above

All true, sums me up and I don't give a fuck.

So whatcha goin to do about it eh, eh?

[short-circuit]

All true, sums me up and I don't give a fuck.

So whatcha goin to do about it eh, eh?

I'm off for a bacon sandwich - I'll think of you while I masticate.

[caseye]

Put ya outa yer obvious misery. Wait! yer not misiery at all, happy as a pig ( did I say that out loud?) in shit. you are. Murray, technically if it was taken to court yes he can do it, but by God he would need to be damn sure of his facts and be lucky enough to get another arsehole in law enforcement of a judge/magistrate, or worse a JP.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Meh, speed limits are guidelines for the weak minded.

I drive like the Prime Minister in a convoy late for a rugby game.

Fast as I want, bitches.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm off for a bacon sandwich - I'll think of you while I masticate.

I usually think about hot bitches, but whatever gets you there in the privacy of your own home and all that....

[nzmikey]

Shouldn't be on the road if they're that fuckin' incompetent...take that lot of ding-a-lings off the road and it might be possible to have a higher speed limit.

haha you were never loved as a child were ya :laugh:

[scumdog]

haha you were never loved as a child were ya :laugh:

Wotchoo talkin' 'bout Willis?

I'm STILL a child....

[nzmikey]

Then they will wonder why they get an infringement notice for impeeding the flow of traffic.:innocent:

So you you get a group of say 8 - 10 riders all with L plates traveling at the legal speed of 70km/h in a stagged formation ( therefore hold up 100km/h traffic ) , you are saying that they are breaking the law ???? :crazy:

[jazfender]

i'm going to ride past cops at 103.5 km/h then accelerate to 103.9.

that'll shit them.

[FJRider]

Wotchoo talkin' 'bout Willis?

I'm STILL a child....

You've still got your mid-life crisis to look forward to ... :lol:

[Toaster]

So you you get a group of say 8 - 10 riders all with L plates traveling at the legal speed of 70km/h in a stagged formation ( therefore hold up 100km/h traffic ) , you are saying that they are breaking the law ???? :crazy:

Yes. They are breaking the law.

Their limit is 70km/h. That does not entitle them to slow up traffic flow that has a higher average spped than 70km/h.

If they wish to protest, then they would need to advise the police that they will do so. Holding up traffic is an offence if you fail to make way for traffic when you have reasonable opportunity to have done so.

That is how slow drivers got a bollocking or two when I was in the job. They were told to pull over and let others through or get pulled over. I never issued tickets for it but warned them that they needed to be more considerate of other road users.

If they couldn't handle it then it may well indeed be time for them to stay closer to home or hang up the keys. There is nothing more frustrating than having to queue behind slow drivers.

Being considerate is a trait lacking in many if not the majority of motorists in NZ today.

[cheshirecat]

Being considerate is a trait lacking in many if not the majority of motorists in NZ today.
Understatement of the month

[Owl]

Soooo who is able to not go above 54kmh or 104kmh

Just done 160km traveling at that speed and couldn't count how many cars I passed and no-one passed me. Very few are actually reaching 100kph.

[Spearfish]

Considering most spedos are around 10kph optimistic and cop cars are calibrated in our favour fractionally then 110 indicated is still well under...but mentally your going faster(?) so if speedos were 15-20 kph optimistic I wonder if many would notice?...

I would imagine there would be many new threads with the title "Not all cops are bad" with the text "I went past a cop today at 120 (on an optimistic speedo) and they didn't chase me!.....blah blah blah" must have been a good bastard....doughnuts were buy 6 get 8 at dunking D's today....quota was full blah blah blah

But to be told to travel at the real ground speed you have probably been doing all along....all hell hell breaks out...toys out the cot.....tree house burned.....ginger bastard made me do it...communists...sue braford sux...blah.etc

Maybe its worth fitting a speedo with a bit of safe Rossi factor?

[saltydog]

Remember the first big one they tried this 4k tolerance on? It pissed with rain all long weekend, atrocious conditions, hugely reduced traffic flows and they had the balls to say the death toll was directly related to the reduced tolerence.
Bullshit.
Less cars on thre road less accidents.
4 k's, bullshit.
What do some of the coppers on here think of this policy? What a prick to try an police?

[\m/]

Remember the first big one they tried this 4k tolerance on? It pissed with rain all long weekend, atrocious conditions, hugely reduced traffic flows and they had the balls to say the death toll was directly related to the reduced tolerence.
Bullshit.
Less cars on thre road less accidents.
4 k's, bullshit.
What do some of the coppers on here think of this policy? What a prick to try an police?
Looks like the same thing will happen this weekend with the weather we are having.

[swbarnett]

they claim it saves lives.
The trouble is that TPTB don't know the first thing about statistics/ They latch on to the the slightest evidence that sounds even remotely supportive of their predetermined agenda. Even if this policy did have an affect it hasn't been in nearly long enough for the data to have any statistical sugnificance.

My own poinion is that it does NOT save lives. Yes, the road toll has been down for the long weekends since they brought it in. Guess what? Every one of these wekends* has had weather ranging from bad to atrocious, meaning that the traffic density is way down. Fewer cars means fewer accidents. Absolutely nothing to do with any decreased tolerance which, for most of us I suspect, means nothing because we're usually over the normal tolerance anyway.



*From memory

[imdying]

Only way to be sure is to have your speedo calibrated/use GPS. Safest for your license to travel around an indicated 90 though, there's plenty of passing lanes for those that want to take a risk.

On another note... if you actually want to frustrate other people, travelling at a constant 90 isn't really that good... 100-90-100-90... up and down over about every km, now that pisses them off. Perfectly legal, it's just driving to suit the conditions :laugh:

[MarkH]

Every one of these wekends* has had weather ranging from bad to atrocious, meaning that the traffic density is way down. Fewer cars means fewer accidents. Absolutely nothing to do with any decreased tolerance which, for most of us I suspect, means nothing because we're usually over the normal tolerance anyway.

The weather may help, but that isn't the biggest factor*. If you checked the holiday weekend toll for 10 years you would see a large variation. With 9 to 11 public holidays a year we on have what - 7 or 8 holiday weekends? It would take a decade to get enough holiday weekend tolls to confirm any trend.

Statistics - the idiots don't know shit about how they work!



* The biggest factor is normal variance.

[Blinkwing]

Was driving the cage today, god so many people doing 80/90 on the motorway.

But the stupid thing is around the Harbour Bridge (SH1 from North Shore to Manukau) there's a lot of temporary 70/80 signs. People weren't following these signs, instead doing 80/90. :facepalm:

The fuck is up with that.

100 areas, people do 80/90 but in the temp 70/80 signs, people don't bother??

[Scuba_Steve]

Statistics - they're shit!


fixed it up a little. They know how they work & thats the problem.
Lies, damn lies & statistics!

[Toaster]

4 k's, bullshit.
What do some of the coppers on here think of this policy? What a prick to try an police?

I can't recall but isn't the tolerance either less than 4km/h or nil in Australia? Now that would really make the speed limit exactly that... a limit.

I would guess all of us ride thinking "yeah I have a few km's up my sleeve before the FiveO pull me over or do me the favour of a new photo for my Avatar", but the fact of the matter is that the extra km/h over the speed limit is not a defacto speed limit. Merely a tolerance of error, not an allowance for general use.

The way the speed cameras were brought in was first with signs and clear obvious positions, now they hide them and have no signs. The tolerance of 10km/h will no doubt become 4km/h permanently all year round. Then they may reduce it bit by bit until we hit the speed limit itself. I just can't help but feel that this is where they are going with it.

I just wish they would raise the open road limit on the dual carriage highways to 110km/h - much like Aussie.

[PrincessBandit]

Was driving the cage today, god so many people doing 80/90 on the motorway.

But the stupid thing is around the Harbour Bridge (SH1 from North Shore to Manukau) there's a lot of temporary 70/80 signs. People weren't following these signs, instead doing 80/90. :facepalm:

The fuck is up with that.

100 areas, people do 80/90 but in the temp 70/80 signs, people don't bother??

yeah, had the old "let's drive at 80kph in all the 100kph zones" today coming back from Wellington. Aaaarrrrggghhh! Could've understood it if the weather had been shite like the reports said it would be, but road conditions were pretty good. I lost track of the number of times Balu and I both said, what a pity we aren't on the bikes right now...

Oh, and my holiday game was very much an anticlimax - only counted 3 patrol cars, one paddy wagon, and 3 camera vans over the last 2 days. (And that was starting from Rangiora yesterday morning)! Guess they'll be out more in force tomorrow?

[ynot slow]

Anyone also realise fuel costs have reached high prices (over $1.90plus)since the 4km limit was mooted along with crappy weather.Hence combine fuel costs and weather and less traffic.

[baffa]

I'm always speeding in my car, And developing the same habit on the bike. After all, if the speed limit for learners is 70, if Im doing 100 whats another 10 or so? In saying that, a 250 naked v twin doesn't do much better than 100 with a head wind especially going up hill. I miss the torque of a v6 :/

[avgas]

And this from their police alert email that was sent out...

"On a dry road at 100km/h it takes 98 metres to stop under ideal conditions, that’s almost the length of a football field, but stopping distances are almost doubled when the road is wet"

Which I am calling them out on, after a wee google search all of the websites that I went to, do not back this claim especially taking into account modern braking systems blah blah it sure as hell does not double in wet conditions.
I have not slid 100m on ice @ 100kph.
Onces I did a bit of skid test driving home one night, in the rain. I reckon I slid about 4 car lengths max. Now to me that says their figure is about 10x out?
Car was not modern. Unless you consider 1979 modern.

[pete376403]

I just wish they would raise the open road limit on the dual carriage highways to 110km/h - much like Aussie.

But of course that could not happen - as it would mean everything that has been claimed about exceeding 100 would have been a lie.

What they need is a memory hole like in Orwells "1984" where inconvenient statements are revised

[scumdog]

And this from their police alert email that was sent out...

"On a dry road at 100km/h it takes 98 metres to stop under ideal conditions, that’s almost the length of a football field, but stopping distances are almost doubled when the road is wet"


I suspect they have built in the reaction distance for the average Kiwi into their 98metres.

Which is around 68 metres...

[nzmikey]

They have claimed that the road toll is down due to drivers respecting the 4km/h limit ...... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10730655 . I thought the weather played a bigger part in less people out & going away .

[Maha]

We were smart and went away Friday and came home Sunday.

[oneofsix]

They have claimed that the road toll is down due to drivers respecting the 4km/h limit ...... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10730655 . I thought the weather played a bigger part in less people out & going away .

Weather, petrol prices, good exchange rate, threat of extra police on the roads. Queens B'day isn't a high travel weekend anyhow, too cold for the beach and the ski fields are still closed so the options are stay home or fly to a warmer country.
I love the way that it's all meant to be down to 5km/h, less than 5% of the speed of the vehicle.

[Scuba_Steve]

This thread is too nice.
Lets start one to see who can get the most speeding tickets this weekend :yes:.

I will personally pay someone $5 if they get the most speeding tickets this weekend.


Sounds fun. I'll call $5 too.

Let the game commence.


Sweet I'm in for that, I'll get back to ya'll Tuesday with my final count :woohoo:

Sorry boys not a single one, guess you get to keep ya moneys this time

[oneofsix]

Sorry boys not a single one, guess you get to keep ya moneys this time

If you didn't slow down it could mean one of two things; you didn't go out much or the tickets in the mail. :innocent:
Make that 3 things; you avoided the roads with the cameras.

[Woodman]

I thought wet weather actually increased the accident rate. The way I understand it is that drivers do not drive to the conditions so have accidents on slippery roads etc. Therefore it could be argued that because of the wet weekend and the slower driving speeds then by default drivers were driving to the conditions without realising it, ergo not having accidents.

The godsend for me in the cage to keep speed down and to stop it creeping up is the cruise control button.

[oneofsix]

I thought wet weather actually increased the accident rate. The way I understand it is that drivers do not drive to the conditions so have accidents on slippery roads etc. Therefore it could be argued that because of the wet weekend and the slower driving speeds then by default drivers were driving to the conditions without realising it, ergo not having accidents.

The godsend for me in the cage to keep speed down and to stop it creeping up is the cruise control button.

Correct on the surface but wet weather on a holiday weekend means people not out driving, therefore no holiday road deaths.. Worst mix is a fine start to the holiday weekend with a wet finish, this way people go away but then have to return in wet conditions and your point comes into play.

[Scuba_Steve]

If you didn't slow down it could mean one of two things; you didn't go out much or the tickets in the mail. :innocent:
Make that 3 things; you avoided the roads with the cameras.

Think it could have been option 3, didn't go down many hills or along any passing lanes:shutup:


I thought wet weather actually increased the accident rate. The way I understand it is that drivers do not drive to the conditions so have accidents on slippery roads etc. Therefore it could be argued that because of the wet weekend and the slower driving speeds then by default drivers were driving to the conditions without realising it, ergo not having accidents.

The godsend for me in the cage to keep speed down and to stop it creeping up is the cruise control button.

it's kinda a double edge on the one hand less traffic, so less people to have an accident. The other hand less grip, so increases the chance of having one.
But either way it tends to affect accident rates not fatalities & IMO still the only thing affecting fatality rates is improved safety features in cars.

[Grubber]

Had one my trucks get a speeding ticket for 95k's. It's speed limited to 94 and it was on a slight incline on the north western motorway. Wow, that sure saved a couple of lives right there aye Scummy!

[Scuba_Steve]

Had one my trucks get a speeding ticket for 95k's. It's speed limited to 94 and it was on a slight incline on the north western motorway. Wow, that sure saved a couple of lives right there aye Scummy!

an 18-wheeler I hope? they're the reason NZTA & the NZ Police had to stop running their "the faster you go the bigger the mess" propaganda.

[Grubber]

an 18-wheeler I hope? they're the reason NZTA & the NZ Police had to stop running their "the faster you go the bigger the mess" propaganda.

Actually no! It was a 6 wheeler with no trailer on. They also had an argument with the driver regarding the 2 pallets on board that were not strapped in. Even though they were inside a curtain side unit that had the required certification required to not have to tie stuff in to it. Tried telling the driver they were the police and they know the law better. Obviously not as well as they should have. What a couple of num nuts!:facepalm:

[Jdogg]

I suspect they have built in the reaction distance for the average Kiwi into their 98metres.

Which is around 68 metres...

That maybe your reaction times Scummy.....but to be fair, you do have the weight of your mighty moustache to contend with, which would no doubt slow the brain down some?!?:bleh:

[oneofsix]

Actually no! It was a 6 wheeler with no trailer on. They also had an argument with the driver regarding the 2 pallets on board that were not strapped in. Even though they were inside a curtain side unit that had the required certification required to not have to tie stuff in to it. Tried telling the driver they were the police and they know the law better. Obviously not as well as they should have. What a couple of num nuts!:facepalm:

Must have been low on their expected ticket rates for the weekend and trying to drum up whatever business they could. Ms Rose will not be happy they didn't get to write that extra ticket :shutup: :violin:
Seem to remember someone complaining about the public expecting the :Police: to know all the laws, might help their case if they didn't try to enforce through bluff and bluster (we know best cause we are the :Police:), laws that don't apply.

[Scuba_Steve]

Actually no! It was a 6 wheeler with no trailer on. They also had an argument with the driver regarding the 2 pallets on board that were not strapped in. Even though they were inside a curtain side unit that had the required certification required to not have to tie stuff in to it. Tried telling the driver they were the police and they know the law better. Obviously not as well as they should have. What a couple of num nuts!:facepalm:

:laugh: cops, knowing the law :killingme :rofl:

[Grubber]

Must have been low on their expected ticket rates for the weekend and trying to drum up whatever business they could. Ms Rose will not be happy they didn't get to write that extra ticket :shutup: :violin:
Seem to remember someone complaining about the public expecting the :Police: to know all the laws, might help their case if they didn't try to enforce through bluff and bluster (we know best cause we are the :Police:), laws that don't apply.

Haven'y come across this theory in many years, but it does appear to be still out there. Yes i do think they muct have been having a quieter than predictable weekend.

:laugh: cops, knowing the law :killingme :rofl:

I KNOW, GO FIGURE!

[scumdog]

:laugh: cops, knowing the law :killingme :rofl:

Nah, you need lawyers for that - waay more expensive and not that much more accurate at times...:p

[scumdog]

Correct on the surface but wet weather on a holiday weekend means people not out driving, therefore no holiday road deaths.. Worst mix is a fine start to the holiday weekend with a wet finish, this way people go away but then have to return in wet conditions and your point comes into play.

Where was all this wet weather people having been mentioning on here????

Mates from all over have been saying they had good riding weather (and pics to prove it in some case) - even the Brass Monkey riders said it only rained at night.

[Scuba_Steve]

Nah, you need lawyers for that - waay more expensive and not that much more accurate at times...:p

can't disagree with you there :laugh:

[scumdog]

That maybe your reaction times Scummy.....but to be fair, you do have the weight of your mighty moustache to contend with, which would no doubt slow the brain down some?!?:bleh:
Me?
Below average, 90 metre reaction time, 8 metres to stop!:woohoo::bleh:

[Jdogg]

Me?
Below average, 90 metre reaction time, 8 metres to stop!:woohoo::bleh:

I can just picture it....A naked policeman with an enormous moustache riding around at 50ks deciding if he should brake yet?? :facepalm:.....I am now scarred for life with that visual :confused:

[rick78]

just got my first ticket for the bike... 61 in a 50... bugger

thinking of either getting a gn250 to commute to resist temptation to speed... or get a radar detector specifically for bike...

anyone bought a motorcycle specific one... are they any good?

...of course i should just ride a little slower, but you know how it is... how easy it is to just start increasing your speed

[rick78]

one of these http://www.radardirect.co.nz/new/motorbike_radar/TPX-MAIN/index.html

[CaSket]

I would imagine that the cops speed detecting instruments arn't accurate to 4kph at 100 on all vehicles and in all conditions.:motu:

If I got a ticket for doing 4kph over the limit I would have very choice things to say to the cop about that. I think even the most anal cops would have a hard time writing that ticket:tugger:, and if you challenged it I'm sure you would win.

I'm safe thoe if there's no cops round Im normally well over the 4k's anyway and would deserve it..... Well as much as anyone else anyways

Edit
OH and I have nothing against cops all my dealings with them so far have been perfectly fine, there are both bad and good ones out there, and you cant blame em if the people who make the rules are F**Ks