Catalan GP

[Kiwi Graham]

I hope the crowd dont get too full on and potentially ruin the race!
Many instances in the past of unruly behaviour causing concern for race organisers.

Do ya recon he'll keep a low profile or take it to them?

[yod]

I hope the crowd dont get too full on and potentially ruin the race!
Many instances in the past of unruly behaviour causing concern for race organisers.

Do ya recon he'll keep a low profile or take it to them?

nah, once he gets on track race-mode will take over and it'll be business as usual I reckon...

If Sic bins, the crowd will explode in a blaze of Spanish ecstasy.
If Sic bins someone else, the crowd will explode in a ball of Spanish rage.

Either way, definitely not a race to miss!

[DidJit]

Yep, looking forward to it. :yes:

[Brian d marge]

Just some tweets that Ive got ,

Criville will ride the new NSF twice this weekend. Ironic really since Alex beat Honda on the way to his 125 title

Honda's Moto3 bike is rather cleverhttp://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jun/110602rydernotes.htm

"@TwitGP Just heard Simoncelli has been summoned to see Vidal Sassoon prior to Catalunya GP. It's going from bad to worse for the poor lad."

Team Gresini's pre-Catalunya statement in full http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jun/110601gresini.htm

No Pedrosa at Catalunya this weekend


Looking good , feel sorry for Pedrosa though !

Stephen

[yod]

feel sorry for Pedrosa though !

Indeed!


I'd actually like to see Simo win, if only to see what the reaction would be in Espana!! :lol:

[eelracing]

Indeed!
I'd actually like to see Simo win, if only to see what the reaction would be in Espana!! :lol:

I'd like to see Honda give him Pedro's bike.

[imdying]

Isn't he already on a factory Honda?

[tigertim20]

I hope the crowd dont get too full on and potentially ruin the race!
Many instances in the past of unruly behaviour causing concern for race organisers.

Do ya recon he'll keep a low profile or take it to them?

shell be balls to the wall from the get go i reckon (hope)

[yod]

I'd like to see Honda give him Pedro's bike.


Isn't he already on a factory Honda?

certainly seems to compete pretty well with the 'factory' team

which begs the question, what the hell is Aoyama up to?

[DidJit]

Simo's got HRC factory support even though he's in the San Gresini team; Aoyama is on a satellite bike.

[Brian d marge]

a couple more tweets for those that dont ...

Casey 1min 43.9sec in FP1. No one else in 43s, Super Sic next nearly half a second back

KTM will be in Moto3 next year with Kalex making chassis.

MotoGp bikes warming up.. And spots of rain coming down.. Going to be interesting!


Stephen

[BMWST?]

qualifying on sky tonight(tomorrow) 1 40pm replayed sunday 19.30 actual gp is on tomorrow night sky sport 1 at a decent time of 20 45

[BMWST?]

1 27 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda 328.5 1'42.691

2 1 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 326.8 1'42.813 0.122 / 0.122

3 58 Marco SIMONCELLI ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 323.9 1'43.130 0.439 / 0.317

4 11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 325.6 1'43.478 0.787 / 0.348

5 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Repsol Honda Team Honda 328.2 1'43.628 0.937 / 0.150

6 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Team Ducati 323.7 1'43.669 0.978 / 0.041

7 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 323.5 1'43.883 1.192 / 0.214

8 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 322.5 1'44.364 1.673 / 0.481

9 65 Loris CAPIROSSI ITA Pramac Racing Team Ducati 322.9 1'44.457 1.766 / 0.093

10 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 325.3 1'44.504 1.813 / 0.047

11 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati 319.9 1'44.510 1.819 / 0.006

12 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Pramac Racing Team Ducati 321.1 1'44.541 1.850 / 0.031

13 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 327.6 1'44.642 1.951 / 0.101

14 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Mapfre Aspar Team MotoGP Ducati 326.3 1'44.762 2.071 / 0.120

15 24 Toni ELIAS SPA LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 323.3 1'44.963 2.272 / 0.201

Edwards out with broken collarbone

[Kiwi Graham]

So I guess he took it to them eh!
Lets hope he stays on and fulfils his potential

Stoner is looking impressive (again)

[eelracing]

Simoncelli should get more death threats...

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SPORT/motorsport/06/04/motorsport.simoncelli.stoner.motogp/...

[RobGassit]

Simoncelli for the win, then Stoner and Jorge. You read it here first..:facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

latest from the world of Tweet

as of this morning it was pissing down

havent heard anything else

Stephen

[RobGassit]

Watch Maverick take this race like candy from a dirty ol man!

[James Deuce]

For those of you bereft of any other way to watch MotoGP:

http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/67687/1/watch-grand-prix-catalunya,-barcelona---125cc-race.html

[James Deuce]

Gaaah. Another race won by the stewards.

[RobGassit]

Watch Maverick take this race like candy from a dirty ol man!

:Oops: Well thats embarassing. Still the kid did ok.. Bloody tyres..:mad:

[rachprice]

Poor simon!! That was a nasty ass crash

Interesting call bout taking the win from zarco, terol could have backed off but I'm not sure if I agree or not

Stoner you champ!! I would say everyone else in the paddock will be shaking in their boots!
Looks like simo had the hard word bout actually bringing it home
Yay spies! Finally you are where you should be!! Keep it that way!!

[James Deuce]

Poor simon!! That was a nasty ass crash

Interesting call bout taking the win from zarco, terol could have backed off but I'm not sure if I agree or not

Stoner you champ!! I would say everyone else in the paddock will be shaking in their boots!
Looks like simo had the hard word bout actually bringing it home
Yay spies! Finally you are where you should be!! Keep it that way!!

Yes indeed a bunch of cool results. I feel for Simo though. It's looked like his bike dropped a cylinder off the line.

Terol could and should've backed off. That was a cynical move from a seasoned campaigner to avoid being beaten on the last corner. Zarco stuck it under him and held it nicely very early on in the piece. That was a hard but fair pass IMO.

[DidJit]

Loved seeing those close-ups of Stoner drifting through the corners. :ride:

[rachprice]

Loved seeing those close-ups of Stoner drifting through the corners. :ride:

Shit yeah! He was on!

[gixerracer]

Yes indeed a bunch of cool results. I feel for Simo though. It's looked like his bike dropped a cylinder off the line.

Terol could and should've backed off. That was a cynical move from a seasoned campaigner to avoid being beaten on the last corner. Zarco stuck it under him and held it nicely very early on in the piece. That was a hard but fair pass IMO.

There was nothing clean and fair about that pass from ZARCO.
He picked his bike up and run the guy off the fucken track when he clearly could have kept his line and left room for Terol to stay on track, the only problem with that is he would not have won so he actually turned into him so he had no room. Very Dirty and good call from race direction:woohoo:

[James Deuce]

There was nothing clean and fair about that pass from ZARCO.
He picked his bike up and run the guy off the fucken track when he clearly could have kept his line and left room for Terol to stay on track, the only problem with that is he would not have won so he actually turned into him so he had no room. Very Dirty and good call from race direction:woohoo:

Bollocks.

Terol left a huge gap and could easily have conceded. "Fault" on both parties. Racing has gone soft IMO. 20 years ago if Rainey and Schwantz behaved like that they were hard men. Now everyone blubbers about it being "dangerous".

[Matt Bleck]

Bollocks.

Terol left a huge gap and could easily have conceded. "Fault" on both parties. Racing has gone soft IMO. 20 years ago if Rainey and Schwantz behaved like that they were hard men. Now everyone blubbers about it being "dangerous".

but after that on the ripple strip Zarco leaned into him and pushed him off the track, dangerous shit that is!

[James Deuce]

but after that on the ripple strip Zarco leaned into him and pushed him off the track, dangerous shit that is!

It's racing. Racing is in danger of turning to a kiddies day out at the fun park in Go-Karts pushed by Mum. Just saying.

[denill]

Terol could and should've backed off. That was a cynical move from a seasoned campaigner to avoid being beaten on the last corner. Zarco stuck it under him and held it nicely very early on in the piece. That was a hard but fair pass IMO.

That's NOT what I saw.

Didn't ya see Zarco drop his shoulder on to Terol - and then he took himself on to the grass to finish him off. Fair racing? Don't think so............... :facepalm:

[James Deuce]

Who said competition was fair? Terol didn't fall off, wasn't hurt, they caused no accident that created issues for other riders.

Go hard or go home.

[RobGassit]

Zarco didn't need to lean into Terol. Standard MX move but a big call at that speed and could have killed Terol. I don't blame him though. Shit happens when you play all your cards in the heat of competition. Simo is the same, love him or hate him, he's committed and awesome to watch. It's not Golf!
Sofoglu on the other hand,, was a knob and clearly had a brain fart! That could have been alot worse..

[denill]

It's not Golf!
Sofoglu on the other hand,, was a knob and clearly had a brain fart! That could have been alot worse..

I would not want not race with some of the 'brave' bastards on this thread. Zarco's move appeared deliberate. So it needed to be dealt with. And it was. People still get killed out there................

Sofoglu stuffed up big time - but it was a 'racing incident'.

[RobGassit]

I would not want not race with some of the 'brave' bastards on this thread. Zarco's move appeared deliberate. So it needed to be dealt with. And it was. People still get killed out there................

Sofoglu stuffed up big time - but it was a 'racing incident'.

I see we agree. Zarco's move was deliberate but I suspect on reflection he regrets it. Penalty was fair. Sofoglu stuffed up and I'm certain he regrets it as well, he has been quite emotional in the past. These guys are at the top of their sport and are trying very hard to do well. That to me, makes it facinating to watch, and envious. It would be a fantastic event to attend, 85000 fans and all that Spanish flair. Definately on my bucket list, along with the Italian meetings.

[denill]

I see we agree. Zarco's move was deliberate but I suspect on reflection he regrets it. Penalty was fair. Sofoglu stuffed up and I'm certain he regrets it as well, he has been quite emotional in the past. These guys are at the top of their sport and are trying very hard to do well. That to me, makes it facinating to watch, and envious. It would be a fantastic event to attend, 85000 fans and all that Spanish flair. Definately on my bucket list, along with the Italian meetings.

Yeah, sorry reading your post slowly, we do in fact agree.

I confused you with the brave? bastards here who have said it was an OK move on Zarco's part.

I think in hindsight even Zarco would realise that the adrenalin kicked in a bit toooo much. :yes:

[merv]

I feel for Simo though. It's looked like his bike dropped a cylinder off the line.



Haha maybe HRC are controlling his engine from cyberspace to make sure he behaves :corn:

[gixerracer]

It's racing. Racing is in danger of turning to a kiddies day out at the fun park in Go-Karts pushed by Mum. Just saying.

Your an Idiot (just saying:innocent:)
But serioulsy, Have you ever done any road racing? Serious question??
I agree it makes the racing great to watch and he had made a good pass on that last corner but the way in which he finished the move was very deliberate and dangerous and unfair, he only done this IMO because he new he wouldnt get to the line first so he shoved him off the track.
you say Terol should have backe off? Why should he there was plenty of track slash ripple strip there for the both of them untill Zarco picked his up and gave him the shove.:angry:

[Mully]

Haha maybe HRC are controlling his engine from cyberspace to make sure he behaves :corn:

Major choke I think.

Little wheelie off the line by the looks of it. Backed off the throttle and got swamped.

[k14]

There was nothing clean and fair about that pass from ZARCO.
He picked his bike up and run the guy off the fucken track when he clearly could have kept his line and left room for Terol to stay on track, the only problem with that is he would not have won so he actually turned into him so he had no room. Very Dirty and good call from race direction:woohoo:
Half agree. Terol was a muppet and should have lost from taking a defensive line into the final corner. If zarco hadn't of so blatantly pushed terol off the track he probably would have still won. In the end it was dangerous though and pushing terol onto the grass like that could have caused a pretty nasty crash. Terol didn't ride very smartly though and should have lost cause zarco was willing to put it closer to the limit and that deserves reward in my book.

[BMWST?]

Half agree. Terol was a muppet and should have lost from taking a defensive line into the final corner. If zarco hadn't of so blatantly pushed terol off the track he probably would have still won. In the end it was dangerous though and pushing terol onto the grass like that could have caused a pretty nasty crash. Terol didn't ride very smartly though and should have lost cause zarco was willing to put it closer to the limit and that deserves reward in my book.

i thought Terol would have learnt by now that he is fast enough to win more than his share of races,why he continues with these games is beyond me.Agree the Zarco move was well done until the deliberate shove on the kerb

[CHOPPA]

Yeah no need for it IMO, theres being aggressive then dirty. Lucky the race was run because the next move tends to become a little crazy

[testastretta]

I was at the race yesterday and the 125's were definately the highlight. My seat was in the stadium area (the triple right before the main straight) and the crowd was going nuts. I dont think there were too many that were upset at the correct final result. Probably due to the fact a spaniard still won.
Surprisingly there seemed to be a lot of support for simo. Everytime he appeared on the big screens or rode past there were definately more cheers than jeers. Stoner on the other hand seemed to get the silent treatment.
The circuit de catalunya is a fantastic spectators track with great facilities and it would be hard to find a more passionate crowd.
Between the Moto2 and MotoGP a Moto3 bike did a few laps and it was clearly slower than the 125's. Bad news ditching the 125 class.

[RobGassit]

I was at the race yesterday and the 125's were definately the highlight. My seat was in the stadium area (the triple right before the main straight) and the crowd was going nuts. I dont think there were too many that were upset at the correct final result. Probably due to the fact a spaniard still won.
Surprisingly there seemed to be a lot of support for simo. Everytime he appeared on the big screens or rode past there were definately more cheers than jeers. Stoner on the other hand seemed to get the silent treatment.
The circuit de catalunya is a fantastic spectators track with great facilities and it would be hard to find a more passionate crowd.
Between the Moto2 and MotoGP a Moto3 bike did a few laps and it was clearly slower than the 125's. Bad news ditching the 125 class.

You lucky bugger.

[Matt Bleck]

It's racing. Racing is in danger of turning to a kiddies day out at the fun park in Go-Karts pushed by Mum. Just saying.

:laugh:

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[DidJit]

Amazing photo (http://motogpmatters.smugmug.com/MotoGP/2011/MotoGP-2011-Round-5-Catalunya/i-W5hntzT/0/L/T2P1615-L.jpg) of Stoner's lean angle during the race...

[denill]

Amazing photo (http://motogpmatters.smugmug.com/MotoGP/2011/MotoGP-2011-Round-5-Catalunya/i-W5hntzT/0/L/T2P1615-L.jpg) of Stoner's lean angle during the race...


He fell off, eh? :shit:

[Cracker]

Great picture, great rider. If he didn't have the personality of a dead cat he would be the next Rossi. Where is Sir Les Patterson when you need him. I reckon he would tell him to ditch the girl and get in touch with his grest Aussie surname.

[bogan]

Amazing photo (http://motogpmatters.smugmug.com/MotoGP/2011/MotoGP-2011-Round-5-Catalunya/i-W5hntzT/0/L/T2P1615-L.jpg) of Stoner's lean angle during the race...

dammmn that's impressive :shit: I can't even image what it would be like traveling that quick with your head so close to the pavement.

[RobGassit]

dammmn that's impressive :shit: I can't even image what it would be like traveling that quick with your head so close to the pavement.

Probably fair to assume he's not on Shinkos.:facepalm:

[Gremlin]

I started hunting the lean angle photos, ended up on the bay area riders forum, some fantastic shots in a desktop wallpaper thread. I ended with grid girls, and 80+ more pictures saved and lost a couple of hours.

I blame you lot :nono:

[Rcktfsh]

Great picture, great rider. If he didn't have the personality of a dead cat he would be the next Rossi. Where is Sir Les Patterson when you need him. I reckon he would tell him to ditch the girl and get in touch with his grest Aussie surname.

Bit harsh on dead cats there mate.

[Cleve]

http://motogpmatters.smugmug.com/MotoGP/2011/MotoGP-2011-Round-5-Catalunya/i-dMGqvX4/0/L/2011-MotoGP-05-Catalunya-L.jpg

Love this photo.
Shame he couldn't do it on Sunday!

[imdying]

Yeah no need for it IMO, theres being aggressive then dirty.Agreed. Sticking body parts out to stop the bikes handle bars from tying up (if that was the case) is just racing (eh Max), but blatantly pushing him off the track was dirty.

[Brian d marge]

No way !!! that was a crap result in the 125

Torel missed his apex , Zarco had a gap to go for , Torel was forced wide ( he missed his apex ) then Torel sticks his knee into zarco , Zarco stand his bike up , Torell leans into zarco
Szarco leans ( a little ) into torel
They were both as bad but zarco should have taken that due to torels bad apex

if anything Zarco could have used too much track , but he was on the limit ,

Even if Zarco was wrong a 20 sec penalty is just plain wrong

Stephen

[gixerracer]

No way !!! that was a crap result in the 125

Torel missed his apex , Zarco had a gap to go for , Torel was forced wide ( he missed his apex ) then Torel sticks his knee into zarco , Zarco stand his bike up , Torell leans into zarco
Szarco leans ( a little ) into torel
They were both as bad but zarco should have taken that due to torels bad apex

if anything Zarco could have used too much track , but he was on the limit ,

Even if Zarco was wrong a 20 sec penalty is just plain wrong

Stephen

Put down your crack pipe stephen:facepalm:

[RobGassit]

Put down your crack pipe stephen:facepalm:

Cut him some slack here, He clearly hasn't received his +7 lenses in the post yet. Maybe a presciption TV would help him see that Zarco was a cock. Maverick would have won if he hadn't had a tyre problem. Go Maverick!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've seen worse things go unpenalized...

[imdying]

Yeah I didn't see why he got 20 seconds for it, 10 would've been inline with Marco last week... nobody even fell off. It looked to me as if he had sufficient time and track to let the other guy back onto the track after the rumble strip rather than forcing him to take the grass. It was just a bit dirty, he could've made the epic pass for the win without doing that last bit.

[roogazza]

A German TV programme tonight reported #VR46 will become father in september when his girlfriend Marva expects their first child.. :corn::corn:

[denill]

:corn::corn:

So, are you saying the fucker's not gay Gaz??? :facepalm: :facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

well when the illiterat'e can string together a basic sentence then they might tell me why or point out where
I'm not holding my breath,as ten characters or a smiley seems to be the upper limit

Stephen

[roogazza]

So, are you saying the fucker's not gay Gaz??? :facepalm: :facepalm:

No bites huh, Pete would say he's probably Bi then ?

We're getting closer to that Ducati win in Italy Bill ????????????????
I head off on the 29th, look for the ginger on the main straight near the bump! :woohoo::woohoo:

[Crasherfromwayback]

We're getting closer to that Ducati win in Italy Bill ????????????????
I head off on the 29th, look for the ginger on the main straight near the bump! :woohoo::woohoo:

Not gonna happen at Mugello mate. Bye bye from the Hondas

[imdying]

Not gonna happen at Mugello mate. Bye bye from the HondasNo way man, Rossi could definitely win this year... all the Hondas could get punted off, and all the Yamahas could break down.

[Crasherfromwayback]

No way man, Rossi could definitely win this year... all the Hondas could get punted off, and all the Yamahas could break down.

Believe it or not...I think he will win one. Just don't think it'll be as soon as Mugello.

It'll probably be a wet race he wins too.

[imdying]

Heh, just humour... you'd be crazy to write him off.

They keep going on and on (Jules and co) about Yamahas being better through the turns and the Hondas having all the power. Bollocks to that... Yamaha have spent a decade on Ohlins. Now that Honda have the Ohlins advantage, and still the power, they're dicking them all over the show.

If Honda lose this season, Stoner needs a bullet. Based on current form, be basically only has to show up, do a practice lap every now and then (was loving watching that) and then whip them for 45 minutes.

[roogazza]

Not gonna happen at Mugello mate. Bye bye from the Hondas

If the Horhay and Vale can get close I think they could out fight the Hondas. Trouble is at the mo, getting close enough !

Semenjelly for the win then ?????? :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Heh, just humour... you'd be crazy to write him off.

They keep going on and on (Jules and co) about Yamahas being better through the turns and the Hondas having all the power. Bollocks to that... Yamaha have spent a decade on Ohlins. Now that Honda have the Ohlins advantage, and still the power, they're dicking them all over the show.

If Honda lose this season, Stoner needs a bullet. Based on current form, be basically only has to show up, do a practice lap every now and then (was loving watching that) and then whip them for 45 minutes.

Yeah I knew that. To me, the Yamaha's don't even look that slow. The top speed of them is not far off the Honda's and the Ducati's. And we all know speed ain't everything.

Stoner would have a nice points lead if it weren't for round two, but I'm sure he'll be in the lead come the important time. I've seen him really get aggressive of late on the Honda, it's fantastic to watch I reckon!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

If the Horhay and Vale can get close I think they could out fight the Hondas. Trouble is at the mo, getting close enough !

Semenjelly for the win then ?????? :laugh:

IF being the problem alright! It wouldn't surprise me in Simo won it mate!

[imdying]

I expect Hondas biggest problem will be other Hondas getting in the way, letting George accumulate sufficient points to take the win.

[Crasherfromwayback]

letting George accumulate sufficient points to take the win.

I don't like his chances.

[imdying]

I don't like his chances.Hey, it's been won by second best riders before... even Hayden has a trophy.

[denill]

I head off on the 29th, look for the ginger on the main straight near the bump! :woohoo::woohoo:

So where are you going Gaz?

[rachprice]

No bites huh, Pete would say he's probably Bi then ?

We're getting closer to that Ducati win in Italy Bill ????????????????
I head off on the 29th, look for the ginger on the main straight near the bump! :woohoo::woohoo:

Dude if it is true it's probably him just wanting to pass on his superior motogp genes like his papa did to him, not because he likes girls!

[RobGassit]

Hey, it's been won by second best riders before... even Hayden has a trophy.

Jeez you said a mouthful there. Hayden and Roberts Jnr. Plastic Trophies..

[imdying]

Ironically both the Hayden and KRJR years were good watching!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Jeez you said a mouthful there. Hayden and Roberts Jnr. Plastic Trophies..

Anyone that wins one deserves it no matter what!

[imdying]

True dat. Cept that dirty pass in the 125s :laugh: oh wait...

[gixerracer]

Hey, it's been won by second best riders before... even Hayden has a trophy.

Who ever has the most points at the end of the season is the best ride/team in that season there is no other way to win the championship, to win you need to be the best by winning the most points in the races available.
Simple really :yes:

[roogazza]

So where are you going Gaz?

Just doing one at a time now Bill, got myself healthy enough for that I reckon. Expensive way to do it but hey. I canned Montmello at the last min, Mugello is my fav for the year can't miss that.


Dude if it is true it's probably him just wanting to pass on his superior motogp genes like his papa did to him, not because he likes girls!

lol thanks Mrs Crasher, girls are ok huh ?

[RobGassit]

Just doing one at a time now Bill, got myself healthy enough for that I reckon. Expensive way to do it but hey. I canned Montmello at the last min, Mugello is my fav for the year can't miss that.



lol thanks Mrs Crasher, girls are ok huh ?

Please,please post some pics of the meeting so we can get a taste of the atmosphere there. That meeting is on my bucket list. :corn:

[Cleve]

... Sofoglu on the other hand,, was a knob and clearly had a brain fart! That could have been alot worse..

That comment was COMPLETELY wrong! The data from the bikes showed that Simon entered the corner at 14kmph SLOWER than all previous laps and Sufoglu at the same speed as all previous laps. Hence control after viewing the data decided that the crash was Simon's fault and no penalty for Sufoglu.

[gixerracer]

That comment was COMPLETELY wrong! The data from the bikes showed that Simon entered the corner at 14kmph SLOWER than all previous laps and Sufoglu at the same speed as all previous laps. Hence control after viewing the data decided that the crash was Simon's fault and no penalty for Sufoglu.

Sofoghead still could have not done that. He was a nut case on the 600 SSP on still rides the same

[denill]

That comment was COMPLETELY wrong! The data from the bikes showed that Simon entered the corner at 14kmph SLOWER than all previous laps and Sufoglu at the same speed as all previous laps. Hence control after viewing the data decided that the crash was Simon's fault and no penalty for Sufoglu.

Thanks for that bit of info Cleve. Watching (from my armchair) my first instinct was just that. Simon, for some reason, had seemed to be slowing dramatically mid corner and Sofoglu was in fact a bit hard done by. :yes::yes:

[imdying]

Who ever has the most points at the end of the season is the best ride/team in that season there is no other way to win the championship, to win you need to be the best by winning the most points in the races available.
Simple really :yes:I don't see the relevance other than stating the obvious? :confused:

[RobGassit]

I don't see the relevance other than stating the obvious? :confused:

I think I upset a few people by suggesting that winning a championship without winning races was a tad hollow. Plastic Trophies. Earned certainly but not particularly memorable. Look,, there's no doubt all these guys are supermen, I simply believe only a few have the krytonite. I apologise for any offence taken.

[RobGassit]

That comment was COMPLETELY wrong! The data from the bikes showed that Simon entered the corner at 14kmph SLOWER than all previous laps and Sufoglu at the same speed as all previous laps. Hence control after viewing the data decided that the crash was Simon's fault and no penalty for Sufoglu.

Cool info and I follow your reasoning, but frankly to blame a guy for slowing a little differently for a corner than on previous laps is absurd.

[imdying]

I think I upset a few people by suggesting that winning a championship without winning races was a tad hollow. Plastic Trophies. Earned certainly but not particularly memorable. Look,, there's no doubt all these guys are supermen, I simply believe only a few have the krytonite. I apologise for any offence taken.No I mean I was not commenting on the team, the factory, or the bike, just the rider. His points about finishing and getting the most points etc, are all valid of course.