Does anyone follow this rule?

[sil3nt]

Can't say i have seen anyone follow this rule in my few years on the road.

http://www.drivingtests.co.nz/roadcode-questions/heavy_vehicle/intersection/does-the-driver-of-the-blue-car-have-to-21/

In reality the blue car has always driven so far up the road that there is no room for the red car to turn.

Is there any logic in the blue car giving way?

I can understand it from a give way to your right rule but it never seems to work with driveways.

[rustyrobot]

Yeah that's a tricky one. I know that it exists but no one ever follows it. And, as you have said, the 'blue car' is usually right up in front of the exit anyway. I bet if you try it the person in the 'red car' will just sit there looking at you blankly.

I think this rule doesn't apply to driveways though, although I have no idea why that would be. I can't imagine the road code differentiates between commercial and residential carparks.

[sil3nt]

Yeah that's a tricky one. I know that it exists but no one ever follows it. And, as you have said, the 'blue car' is usually right up in front of the exit anyway. I bet if you try it the person in the 'red car' will just sit there looking at you blankly.

I think this rule doesn't apply to driveways though, although I have no idea why that would be. I can't imagine the road code differentiates between commercial and residential carparks.I meant driveway as in the driveway to your supermarket carpark.

[Katman]

I meant driveway as in the driveway to your supermarket carpark.

Carpark driveways are considered public access ways and the exit and entrance to them are governed by normal road rules.

[MSTRS]

The thing is that drivers do not recognise a driveway or supermarket entry/exit as part of the road system, which is why the blue car will not often give way as required by law. And I don't think it's policed (except after a prang, of course).
Isn't the right hand rule about to change back to what it was (in the late 70s?). Once it does, the blue will have right of way.

[kiwifruit]

Does anyone follow this rule?

Yes, I do. I've found about 10% of other road uses do too

[Camshaft]

only follow it for licence tests, as it is instant fail if you dont give way, even if the cunt is beeping and waving you through, you gta stay put till the driving man says its becoming more dangerous to giveway thn to not giveway.

[Laava]

So a church driveway would still be a public access car park? What about a feathery legs church or a pub? Is a rule best ignored by all to keep it safe IMO

[rustyrobot]

I meant driveway as in the driveway to your supermarket carpark.

Oh yep. I wasn't refering to your comment tho, just musing to myself about the difference between driveways and supermarket entrances. :)

How's your new bike going? You got a 4hundy right? Mikemike hooked me up with a sweet deal and I'm rocking an Aprilia now thanks to him. :woohoo:

[Katman]

only follow it for licence tests......

.......or when the other person isn't a retarded monkey and, in fact, knows the road rules and decides that they do actually have right of way.

[bogan]

Isn't the right hand rule about to change back to what it was (in the late 70s?). Once it does, the blue will have right of way.

Not sure if it went through and the applying of it was after the RWC, or that it was going to be decided on after the RWC. Good idea to change that one though, think they also want to change who give way if cars from opposite direction turn into same road/driveway etc.

To answer the OPs question, it takes both to follow the rule, and other don't often do it, so neither do I. I keep a look out for the ones that do though.

[MSTRS]

What gets me about the supposed confusion over the right hand rule is...if your vehicle can be hit in the driver's door, or your breaking (sic) leg, YOU give way.
Simple.
No need for deciding whether this is a 'major' road or not.

[martybabe]

No I don't follow that rule, although I am aware of it, custom and practice dictates that it is ignored. Always on the alert though in case someone wants to exercise their right of way . I haven't seen anybody comply with that in the three years I've been in NZ.

[Scuba_Steve]

thats the ONLY part of the give-way rule that needed to change, it just needed to be made that the red car gave way & our give-way rule would pretty much be perfect :yes:. But insteed of fixing the small inconsistency they go & fuck the whole rule :angry:

[sil3nt]

Oh yep. I wasn't refering to your comment tho, just musing to myself about the difference between driveways and supermarket entrances. :)

How's your new bike going? You got a 4hundy right? Mikemike hooked me up with a sweet deal and I'm rocking an Aprilia now thanks to him. :woohoo:Yep got a VFR 400 which seems to be going good! Asked this question as i thought it would be good to make sure i still remember the give way rules for my 6F next week. This is the only question i got wrong!

What sort of Aprilia?

[superman]

Had a cop not give me way in this situation. Needless to say I went back and gave a nice informative update on give way rules. Least he was a blushing coppa not an angry one.

[StoneY]

I think this rule doesn't apply to driveways though, although I have no idea why that would be. I can't imagine the road code differentiates between commercial and residential carparks.

Wrong it applies to any road intersection be it a driveway or an alleyway etc etc, UNLESS otherwise controlled by signs or traffic lights
Its just ignorant road users that create the myth 'unless your on a more main street or its a driveway'

resit your roadcode test dude :lol:

[Fatt Max]

It's not a case of I dont follow this rule, it's a case of I cant....

My car is green.....you see....

[Usarka]

I just barge through in the car but it's a piece of shit so I don't care if a twat in an XR6 dings it. You see some damn angry people reacting but it's funny because they're wrong and thick as pigshit.

[pzkpfw]

My local Woolworths has give way signs at the entrances. Presumably because people couldn't cope with the basic rule.

[Drew]

Not only do I follow this rule, but I drive straight at the people who don't understand it and have the horn BLARING the whole time.

If people cannot understand the road rules, including all facets of our right hand rule, they should not be allowed to fuckin drive or ride!

[Usarka]

I bet in a lot of european countries you wouldn't find 80% of drivers not understanding a basic road rule. They wouldn't let the dumb fucks get a licence in the first place.

[Scuba_Steve]

I bet in a lot of european countries you wouldn't find 80% of drivers not understanding a basic road rule. They wouldn't let the dumb fucks get a licence in the first place.

thought those countries were why we were retarding our give-way rule:innocent:

[Oakie]

Yes I follow it. If I don't and there is a crash then I am at fault. This would be a bad thing. I even asked a cop about that situation once where the vehicle with right of way stops and beckons you to move. He said don't do it. If you connect it is your fault regardless of what the other driver did.

[Ender EnZed]

I'm aware of the rule and I think most people actually are as well. No one follows it because it's been replaced by the informal rule of assuming a Give Way sign could or should be at any and every T intersection.


Not only do I follow this rule, but I drive straight at the people who don't understand it and have the horn BLARING the whole time.

It can be entertaining but don't you find it gets old doing this every single time you go near a car park?


Had a cop not give me way in this situation. Needless to say I went back and gave a nice informative update on give way rules. Least he was a blushing coppa not an angry one.

How did you pull him over?


Yes I follow it. If I don't and there is a crash then I am at fault. This would be a bad thing.

A crash when you're not at fault is also a bad thing. I certainly don't barge through assuming others will follow it.
I realise you probably just meant you don't go without right of way.

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm aware of the rule and I think most people actually are as well. No one follows it because it's been replaced by the informal rule of assuming a Give Way sign could or should be at any and every T intersection.


I'm with you there, for most people the "social law" has over-ridden the "road law" the rest are just ignorant so it still works out.

I'm all for teaching people how to drive but when it comes to a law that shouldn't exist I do it how it should be not how it is, "Social law" is a good thing :yes:

*I'm sure theres better words than "social law & road law" but I assume ya'll get what I mean

[imdying]

It can be entertaining but don't you find it gets old doing this every single time you go near a car park?:rofl:

Gold.

[skinman]

Interesting point is that laws only work when the majority agree and follow them. Any stupid law will be ignored by the majority & eventually be abolished or changed. Still waiting for the 30km past (non existent) roadworks one to go as almost everyone ignores it, in fact observe it at your own risk, 70km speed differential =bad

[DrunkenMistake]

Interesting point is that laws only work when the majority agree and follow them. Any stupid law will be ignored by the majority & eventually be abolished or changed. Still waiting for the 30km past (non existent) roadworks one to go as almost everyone ignores it, in fact observe it at your own risk, 70km speed differential =bad

Tbh Im bad for this, I start at 6 and there is heavy road works down my way, but before 8am there is no work, so I will do the normal road speed (70k) in these areas, where as between 8am and 6pm ill do 30km, Sundays I do the normal limit because I have not once seen them doing work on a Sunday.
I try to use my own common sense, so I dont break these laws without my own set rules.. Retarded I know, as there is no excuse for breaking the law, but meh.

[spacemonkey]

.......or when the other person isn't a retarded monkey and, in fact, knows the road rules and decides that they do actually have right of way.

I have to admit that with knowing that I have the right of way it there's a crash, every now and then I deliberately try to scare the bejeesus out of cunts that don't give way like they are supposed too. the sight of my cage screaming towards their drivers door with the horn going makes them crap themselves lol :innocent:

[spacemonkey]

Also why don't the cops enforce this rule?
Not enough revenue from that fine maybe?? :shutup:

[Berries]

The Rule change is out for consultation right now. Worth objecting if you have a yellow car.

[superman]

How did you pull him over?

Do cops usually pull into carparks/driveways and not stop?

[superman]

Also why don't the cops enforce this rule?
Not enough revenue from that fine maybe?? :shutup:

You have to pay a lot more attention rather than the point and click revenue collection beauty.

[Drew]

It can be entertaining but don't you find it gets old doing this every single time you go near a car park?


I hope that I can write my car off and get paid out for it. So it will never get old.

This 'informal social rule' following bothers me.

People are thinking they no better than the law and making up their own? I will plow straight into anyone who thinks they no better than the law, and get well over my cars real worth as payment for it. Whoever I hit will be liable for that amount.

[Katman]

People are thinking they no better than the law and making up their own? I will plow straight into anyone who thinks they no better than the law, and get well over my cars real worth as payment for it. Whoever I hit will be liable for that amount.

That's an interesting viewpoint Drew and one that I'd not necessarily disagree with but.......

.....you could actually apply that same principle to the car that pulls out on a motorcycle doing 160kph because they consider that if the motorcyclist was doing the speed limit then they would have time to safely do so.

[ducatilover]

Blue car = potential blind spot for fuck witts who cannot use a median strip = more crashes = somehow making that into motorcycle condemning statistics = ACC raise = less registered bikes = more money for big pies = happy Fat Max, it's all his fault.

[Drew]

That's an interesting viewpoint Drew and one that I'd not necessarily disagree with but.......

.....you could actually apply that same principle to the car that pulls out on a motorcycle doing 160kph because they consider that if the motorcyclist had been doing the speed limit then they would have had time to stop.
Yeah, I know what you're saying.

The law is clear, you may only pull out into the flow of traffic once you have made sure there is sufficient room to make the move. If you see someone speeding and then pull out knowing they will have to brake, you are breaking the law.

[Katman]

Yeah, I know what you're saying.

The law is clear, you may only pull out into the flow of traffic once you have made sure there is sufficient room to make the move. If you see someone speeding and then pull out knowing they will have to brake, you are breaking the law.

Fair enough Drew.

I've edited my previous post to make my point a little clearer.

[Drew]

Fair enough Drew.

I've edited my previous post to make my point a little clearer.You're right in that it's a slippery slope into assigning blame to someone when one is breaking the law themselves, I've been charged with careless use when woman failed to stop at a stop sign, on nothing more than her word that I must have been speeding as she didn't see me coming.

I just don't like it, so will argue it every time.

[Scuba_Steve]

I hope that I can write my car off and get paid out for it. So it will never get old.

This 'informal social rule' following bothers me.

People are thinking they no better than the law and making up their own? I will plow straight into anyone who thinks they no better than the law, and get well over my cars real worth as payment for it. Whoever I hit will be liable for that amount.

hope you have full cover then

And whats wrong with "social law"? Should the people not be able to make laws themselves if the majority agree? many laws can be "overwritten" if it can be shown that under a true democracy the people would have it this way.
And if you like dictatorship, may I recommend North Korea as a country you might like to live

[Katman]

on nothing more than her word that I must have been speeding as she didn't see me coming.


Were you? :whistle:

[vifferman]

There's a supermarket exit on our street which is exactly like this. In the 11 years I've lived here, I have three instances of cars in the blue car's situation (with me being the red car) actually give way.
The problem is, NZ drivers invent their own unofficial road rules, like "the small road gives way to the big road", regardless of what the actual law is.

[Drew]

Were you? :whistle:Not at all. I put my hand up when I fuck up. Was really weird crash, she started to pull out then stopped, I figured she saw me, then she just crept out like she couldn't make up her mind. If I'd hit the picks as soon as she moved I wouldn't have hit her, but she had heaps of room and just never commited to any course of action.

I take responso for not diong what I could, but the whole thing was so un real as it unfolded I was just confused as fuck.


hope you have full cover then

And whats wrong with "social law"? Should the people not be able to make laws themselves if the majority agree? many laws can be "overwritten" if it can be shown that under a true democracy the people would have it this way.
And if you like dictatorship, may I recommend North Korea as a country you might like to liveIf the public think a law is wrong, they can't just make up there own and start using it. There are channels for having them changed properly. To just start doing it however we want is fuckin stupid. On top of that it will take nothing for a lawyer to argue the case for the person obeying the ACTUAL law.

You keep obeying the law you like best, and someday I'll be lucky enough for you to sponsor me a new car.

[BMWST?]

The thing is that drivers do not recognise a driveway or supermarket entry/exit as part of the road system, which is why the blue car will not often give way as required by law. And I don't think it's policed (except after a prang, of course).
Isn't the right hand rule about to change back to what it was (in the late 70s?). Once it does, the blue will have right of way.

the old right of way rules have the either car giving way(courtesy) but the overriding rule was give way to the right.Most supermarket etc carparks round here have give way signs on the exit which means the blue car has right of way.Quite often the give way signs are less noticeable cos of a lot of other signage

[Scuba_Steve]

If the public think a law is wrong, they can't just make up there own and start using it. There are channels for having them changed properly. To just start doing it however we want is fuckin stupid. On top of that it will take nothing for a lawyer to argue the case for the person obeying the ACTUAL law.

You keep obeying the law you like best, and someday I'll be lucky enough for you to sponsor me a new car.

but pretty much everyone follows the better rule you are the exception following the wrongly written one instead. As for sponsoring you a new car, yea sure if it every happens you'll have the payment in installments over the next 20yrs or so, I don't run insurance thats why I hope you have full cover

[Kickaha]

but pretty much everyone follows the better rule

Must be a bunch of uneducated muppets who don't deserve a licence where you are then, I'd say about 80% follow the correct rule here, which isn't that hard to understand unless you're brain damaged

[Owl]

Yep, I've done it since before I did my practical driving test. In fact ever since I received a lecture from my sister-in-law, because I failed to give way to her:facepalm:

[MSTRS]

the old right of way rules have the either car giving way(courtesy) but the overriding rule was give way to the right.
I don't actually remember when it changed, but I'd only been driving/riding a few years when it did. As I recall the old rule, it applied at uncontrolled intersections (as now, but there were a shit load more back then) and it assumed that on a T, the through road was given right-of-way. In other words, any side road or entry way went second to someone turning right across their front..

Most supermarket etc carparks round here have give way signs on the exit which means the blue car has right of way.Quite often the give way signs are less noticeable cos of a lot of other signage
Good point.

[Scuba_Steve]

Must be a bunch of uneducated muppets who don't deserve a licence where you are then, I'd say about 80% follow the correct rule here, which isn't that hard to understand unless you're brain damaged

no one said it was hard to understand its just retarded & moronic, created by the said muppets you speak of

[Drew]

but pretty much everyone follows the better rule you are the exception following the wrongly written one instead. As for sponsoring you a new car, yea sure if it every happens you'll have the payment in installments over the next 20yrs or so, I don't run insurance thats why I hope you have full cover


You can pay off my insurance company any way ya like.

Love your attitude though, "I don't like the law, so I'll do it my own way". Retards with that thinking shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel, or on a bike at all.

In this instance, you are part of a MINORITY. Worse still is that you are intentionally breaking the law and admitting to it.

Get off the roads, that those of us towing the line far more deserve than the arrogant likes of you!

[Drew]

no one said it was hard to understand its just retarded & moronic, created by the said muppets you speak of

The system in place is created to get maximum traffic flow in areas where an obvious hold up can occur. You're the friggin retard.

[Scuba_Steve]

The system in place is created to get maximum traffic flow in areas where an obvious hold up can occur. You're the friggin retard.

your one of these people that do 80 in the right lane aint you?

[Ender EnZed]

In this instance, you are part of a MINORITY.

He isn't in this thread or any car park I've ever been to.

[The Stranger]

He isn't in this thread or any car park I've ever been to.

Haven't read the thread, but I'll admit to obeying road rules (including this one) where there is no particular reason not to.
Why would one risk a ticket or a financial penalty for no gain?

[Ender EnZed]

Haven't read the thread, but I'll admit to obeying road rules (including this one) where there is no particular reason not to.
Why would one risk a ticket or a financial penalty for no gain?

The reason not to is that no one else does. I'm not going to deliberately drive or ride into the side of someone just because I have legal right of way. Nor am I going to sit there patiently for more than 10 seconds trying to convince someone who does have legal right of way that they should go first.

[Dogboy900]

Yeah I follow it mostly the other person is waiting there and I stop well back and wave them through.
About the only people who seem to not be surprised are the truck drivers in the industrial area round work.

It is a real pet peeve of mine people not giving way where they should and giving way where they shouldn't.
No I am not going to crash deliberately to prove my point but I will be assertive about taking right of way when I can safely do so.

If you don't know the give way rules I suggest you learn them before you hurt someone who does!

[Kickaha]

If you don't know the give way rules I suggest you learn them before you hurt someone who does!

I'd suggest they make the road a safer place by handing in their licence and taking the bus

[Drew]

your one of these people that do 80 in the right lane aint you?Far from it.

I'm one of those people that gets pissed off with people who can't follow the road rules. Including people that just walk out onto pedestrian crossings when cars are already stopped for others. The law there has NOT changed a bit. If a car is between the diamond and the crossing when someone reaches the crossing on foot, the car has right of way.

I get fucked off with retards who can't merge.

And I get fucked off when sitting behind someone at an intersection, who is giving way when they shouldn't.

All of these things perpetuate problems on our roads, and ignorance of the road rules.

[Usarka]

I'd say about 80% follow the correct rule here, which isn't that hard to understand unless you're brain damaged

Well I can testify that people with brain damage can understand the rule so what's the excuse for everyone else?!?!?! :lol:

Plenty of countries fail you for things like stopping 0.5m too short or long of an intersection marking, but here in NZ she'll be right, no worries if you don't know all the rules 'cause the important thing is you get a licence..

[Scuba_Steve]

If a car is between the diamond and the crossing when someone reaches the crossing on foot, the car has right of way.


You know that is not a law ay? thats just a guide, & the law pretty much always puts pedestrians in the "right" & gives them 'right of way' by default & you would have to prove their "wrong"

[StoneY]

your one of these people that do 80 in the right lane aint you?

Only on his back wheel though....the front ones stationary!

[oneofsix]

You know that is not a law ay? thats just a guide, & the law pretty much always puts pedestrians in the "right" & gives them 'right of way' by default & you would have to prove their "wrong"

true the law is if the pedestrian is on or obviously waiting then the vehicle must give way, it never gives the vehicle right of way.

[Eyegasm]

Best way to interpret this rule...

Biggest vehicle wins.