Hyosung 250 Cup

[Kiwi Graham]

Ok Hands up, who entering?
Had a few beers last night and heard a few names mentioned :yes:

Two races per round and one being a le-mans style start, its going to be a spectacle for sure.

[RobGassit]

Doubtful they will use their real names..Keep drinking..:drinkup:

[John_H]

Ok Hands up, who entering?
Had a few beers last night and heard a few names mentioned :yes:

Two races per round and one being a le-mans style start, its going to be a spectacle for sure.

Should be awesome.

[TOTO]

I'm keen, but gotta find a bike first :)

[Z1_ZPF_BOY]

Ok Hands up, who entering?
Had a few beers last night and heard a few names mentioned :yes:

Two races per round and one being a le-mans style start, its going to be a spectacle for sure.

I will be participating :yes:

[White trash]

I'd love to but unfortunately, Saturdays are the busiest day of the week here at work and I can't afford to take it off.

[Billy]

Ok Hands up, who entering?
Had a few beers last night and heard a few names mentioned :yes:

Two races per round and one being a le-mans style start, its going to be a spectacle for sure.

KG,

Are you able to fill in some blanks for me?What are the supp regs for this series?Ive had a number of discussions with Peter Ramage and to date(IE this morning)He has no information relating to this series other than that given too him by myself and Ian Dawson(NZSBK),Ive heard varying rumors surrounding the use of power commanders and auto tunes!!!

Also do you have dates available for the full 5 rounds as I have the proposed South Island dates in front of me as we speak and atleast one of them conflicts with an AMCC round this year,Obviously the National series is to the fore for my bikes and need to know whether I can make them available too those who have applied.

Cheers Billy

[Kiwi Graham]

KG,

Are you able to fill in some blanks for me?What are the supp regs for this series?Ive had a number of discussions with Peter Ramage and to date(IE this morning)He has no information relating to this series other than that given too him by myself and Ian Dawson(NZSBK),Ive heard varying rumors surrounding the use of power commanders and auto tunes!!!

Also do you have dates available for the full 5 rounds as I have the proposed South Island dates in front of me as we speak and atleast one of them conflicts with an AMCC round this year,Obviously the National series is to the fore for my bikes and need to know whether I can make them available too those who have applied.

Cheers Billy

Will do my best Billy;

Dates, yet to be set in stone but I believe them to be cast..
R1 16th October, Hampton Downs
R2 13th November, Pukekohe
R3 4th December, Hampton Downs
R4&5 3rd&4th March, Pukekohe

Nationals 16-18th March Hampton Downs.

Hyosung cup details as I have them;

Run over all 5 rounds of AMCC champs
Eligible bikes include Hyosung GT250 & GT250R
$10,000 prize fund
2 X races per meeting including 1 X Le Mans start
Superpole cash prize
First under 18 rider prize
Points awarded to 17th place
Spare & tech service in pits from Hyosung NZ
Hyosung NZ pit village set up at each round
Cash prizes paid out at each meeting
Standard bikes running pro-light rules
DOT tyres
Graeme Crosby as series patron
Individual round winner trophy
Hyosung cup series champion trophy plus trophies for 2nd & 3rd.
Pos series coverage on BikeRider TV (TBC)

The above is how it was presented to the club and accepted.

Hope it sheds some light.

[SWERVE]

None of those dates coincide with Sth Is dates as they currently stand.
Would be good to know when the Nat rd at Manfield is being held.... would assume a weekend either before or after HD.

[Billy]

None of those dates coincide with Sth Is dates as they currently stand.
Would be good to know when the Nat rd at Manfield is being held.... would assume a weekend either before or after HD.

Youd think that aye mate,

Unfortunately,Somebody didnt do their homework,Theres apparently no date available at Manfeild in March and too make matters worse,As I understand it Manawatu/Orion have pulled out anyway and there are others that want to run at Taupo????

[Billy]

Will do my best Billy;

Dates, yet to be set in stone but I believe them to be cast..
R1 16th October, Hampton Downs
R2 13th November, Pukekohe
R3 4th December, Hampton Downs
R4&5 3rd&4th March, Pukekohe

Nationals 16-18th March Hampton Downs.

Hyosung cup details as I have them;

Run over all 5 rounds of AMCC champs
Eligible bikes include Hyosung GT250 & GT250R
$10,000 prize fund
2 X races per meeting including 1 X Le Mans start
Superpole cash prize
First under 18 rider prize
Points awarded to 17th place
Spare & tech service in pits from Hyosung NZ
Hyosung NZ pit village set up at each round
Cash prizes paid out at each meeting
Standard bikes running pro-light rules
DOT tyres
Graeme Crosby as series patron
Individual round winner trophy
Hyosung cup series champion trophy plus trophies for 2nd & 3rd.
Pos series coverage on BikeRider TV (TBC)

The above is how it was presented to the club and accepted.

Hope it sheds some light.

Thanks Mate,

Just one more question,Are those the supp regs that have been applied for through MNZ???If so can you confirm for me when they were approved and permit numbers please!!

[roy.nz]

:woohoo: Im keen, just need to get hold of a bike now :yes:

[Z1_ZPF_BOY]

Will do my best Billy;

Dates, yet to be set in stone but I believe them to be cast..
R1 16th October, Hampton Downs
R2 13th November, Pukekohe
R3 4th December, Hampton Downs
R4&5 3rd&4th March, Pukekohe

Nationals 16-18th March Hampton Downs.

Hyosung cup details as I have them;

Run over all 5 rounds of AMCC champs
Eligible bikes include Hyosung GT250 & GT250R
$10,000 prize fund
2 X races per meeting including 1 X Le Mans start
Superpole cash prize
First under 18 rider prize
Points awarded to 17th place
Spare & tech service in pits from Hyosung NZ
Hyosung NZ pit village set up at each round
Cash prizes paid out at each meeting
Standard bikes running pro-light rules
DOT tyres
Graeme Crosby as series patron
Individual round winner trophy
Hyosung cup series champion trophy plus trophies for 2nd & 3rd.
Pos series coverage on BikeRider TV (TBC)

The above is how it was presented to the club and accepted.

Hope it sheds some light.

"Standard bikes running pro-light rules"

Does this mean power commanders are eligible or banned. there is some mention of them being permitted....

[Billy]

"Standard bikes running pro-light rules"

Does this mean power commanders are eligible or banned. there is some mention of them being permitted....

Thats exactly what Im trying to get clarified Connor

[Crash 42]

I'll be there no doubt, but if there is a Nats clash, I'll be missing the AMCC round for the Nats round.

Would be good if we could know what is & isn't allowed in the next few weeks/ where to find these details.

[RobGassit]

As usual, clear as mud. Read between the lines and take note of what is NOT clearly stated because that is where all the "Tuners " operate their magic. DOT tyres does'nt even mean DOT tyres if the DOT is on a German brand of wet. Why can't it be spelt out in black and white? This series has a tremendous opportunity to cement the awesome work already done in the reintroduction of a " GENUINE STOCK PRODUCTION CLASS" where the riders, NOT the tuners get to show their stuff. I wish it well but it NEEDS to be TRANSPARENT!!!

[Billy]

I'll be there no doubt, but if there is a Nats clash, I'll be missing the AMCC round for the Nats round.

Would be good if we could know what is & isn't allowed in the next few weeks/ where to find these details.

If everybody sticks to their proposed dates,Doing both series should be easily achieveable


As usual, clear as mud. Read between the lines and take note of what is NOT clearly stated because that is where all the " Tuners " operate their magic. DOT tyres does'nt even mean DOT tyres if the DOT is on a German brand of wet. Why can't it be spelt out in black and white? This series has a tremendous opportunity to cement the awesome work already done in the reintroduction of a " GENUINE STOCK PRODUCTION CLASS" where the riders, NOT the tuners get to show their stuff. I wish it well but it NEEDS to be TRANSPARENT!!!

Absolutely agree Bobbydazzler lol,thats why Im trying to get it sorted asap,At this stage I dont see the commission allowing powercommanders in the general rules for the class and I fully intend to enforce the rules as much as I possibly can on this one.

Something else thats been brought to my attention is the removal of a disc and caliper off the GT250R models,This is illegal and will be policed strictly

[RobGassit]

"Something else thats been brought to my attention is the removal of a disc and caliper off the GT250R models,This is illegal and will be policed strictly[/QUOTE]

Sneaky buggers, what next? Polished frames? :shifty:

[Kiwi Graham]

Thanks Mate,

Just one more question,Are those the supp regs that have been applied for through MNZ???If so can you confirm for me when they were approved and permit numbers please!!

Hi Billy,

Peter and Neil are discussing the use of Power commanders at the moment with the answer expected in the next couple of weeks if not sooner. Ken from Hyosung will be presenting their view of how they would like the series aligned with the current Pro Lite rules with the inclusion of PC's

The issues are; Carb bikes can change their jetting at a cost of a few cents but for injected bikes to do the same costs several hundred dollars.

The aim of this series is to produce close racing and by the looks of the interest it has generated very full grids.
The rules will be enforced to allow transparenty and fairness for all players, so make sure you dont take off what your not supposed to or add what is not allowed. In other words follow the rules.

As I see it the series will run according to MNZ'z Pro Lite regs with the possible addition of PC's thus allowing cross entry if desired.
Pro Lite regs here; http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2010_MoMS_Appendix_I.pdf All entering should read carefully.

I will get a decision on the ruling when it is made and put it on here. Thanks Billy for asking the question, hope I've gone somwhere towards answering it and have asked the right questions of the right people to get a definative answer to you as soon as possible.

KG

[Billy]

"Something else thats been brought to my attention is the removal of a disc and caliper off the GT250R models,This is illegal and will be policed strictly

Sneaky buggers, what next? Polished frames? :shifty:[/QUOTE]

Yea,Or fancy aluminium Bridgestone dust caps Oooops!!!

[Billy]

Hi Billy,

Peter and Neil are discussing the use of Power commanders at the moment with the answer expected in the next couple of weeks if not sooner. Ken from Hyosung will be presenting their view of how they would like the series aligned with the current Pro Lite rules with the inclusion of PC's

The issues are; Carb bikes can change their jetting at a cost of a few cents but for injected bikes to do the same costs several hundred dollars.

The aim of this series is to produce close racing and by the looks of the interest it has generated very full grids.
The rules will be enforced to allow transparenty and fairness for all players, so make sure you dont take off what your not supposed to or add what is not allowed. In other words follow the rules.

As I see it the series will run according to MNZ'z Pro Lite regs with the possible addition of PC's thus allowing cross entry if desired.
Pro Lite regs here; http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2010_MoMS_Appendix_I.pdf All entering should read carefully.

I will get a decision on the ruling when it is made and put it on here. Thanks Billy for asking the question, hope I've gone somwhere towards answering it and have asked the right questions of the right people to get a definative answer to you as soon as possible.

KG

Thanks KG,
Yip,Im well aware of the discussions between Budda and Smudger,Im in regular contact with the roadrace commission and thats why I asked the question as I knew nobody had contacted them re this series,Its important the rules and supp regs are made known asap and are set in stone,There have been a number of press releases now that were contradictory regarding the use of PCs,It should also be clarified that the introduction of PCs will not mean Auto tunes as well !!!

The only approach made to the roadrace commission re this series was surrounding the inclusion of PCs by your club representative at the request of the 2 distributors supposedly whom are supporters of this class!!!!Since when???Where were they at round 1 of the Nationals when we were required to have no less than 6 bikes on the grid to have the class recognised???Seth was only there on his EX because I talked him into it and Max Woodruffe because I transported his bike for him.

[Kiwi Graham]

Thanks KG,
Where were they at round 1 of the Nationals when we were required to have no less than 6 bikes on the grid to have the class recognised???Seth was only there on his EX because I talked him into it and Max Woodruffe because I transported his bike for him.

Tell me about it mate try running in a class of one :bye::facepalm:

As soon as I know anything I'l let ya know mate.

[wayne]

i think tyre warmers should be allowed in class for better grip in first two laps.........

[puddytat]

i think tyre warmers should be allowed in class for better grip in first two laps.........

I dont....whether I have warmers or not I still cant keep up with the likes of Jock or Seth.
The reason I dropped out of clubmans & why i didnt go into F2 was because of the costs associated with tyre warmers & wth running slicks.I like the idea of a set of tyres doing me 2 seasons:yes:

[jellywrestler]

Sneaky buggers, what next? Polished frames? :shifty:

Yea,Or fancy aluminium Bridgestone dust caps Oooops!!![/QUOTE]

$2 shop has an awesome range of these probably, they should be compulsory i'm thinking...

[jellywrestler]

not mean Auto tunes as well !!!


they should have enforced this at the Princess Diana Memorial concert a few years ago to.
I found some irony in the song 'Chasing Cars' by Snow Patrol being played.
Sorry for invading your thread, I'm going through withdrawal symptoms now the MNZ Nominations one is dead and buried!

[Autech]

A tyre brand should get behind this and sponsor a controlled tyre... Now THAT would be cool!

Shame I've moved down south otherwise I'd definitely be getting involved

[RobGassit]

A tyre brand should get behind this and sponsor a controlled tyre... Now THAT would be cool!

Shame I've moved down south otherwise I'd definitely be getting involved

Bridgestone might be keen as they supported most of the Nationals Prolites. Mr Ramage might be tempted if you promise him a knighthood or a bottle of single malt. Failing that,, I'm thinking Shinko or Kenda.:facepalm: Cheng shin anyone? Be like watching half mile flat track! Bring it on. May have to double up on Yellow Flags though.

[budda]

As usual, clear as mud. Read between the lines and take note of what is NOT clearly stated because that is where all the "Tuners " operate their magic. DOT tyres does'nt even mean DOT tyres if the DOT is on a German brand of wet. Why can't it be spelt out in black and white? This series has a tremendous opportunity to cement the awesome work already done in the reintroduction of a " GENUINE STOCK PRODUCTION CLASS" where the riders, NOT the tuners get to show their stuff. I wish it well but it NEEDS to be TRANSPARENT!!!

Not taking the piss Sir, but please READ the rules before you comment, eh ?
There is enough scope in the rules to allow "tailoring", but the intent is to actively discourage "fettling / faffing / fixing / farking about with" so the emphasis is correctly on the RIDER, not the bike.

The National Class rules are pretty clear and unambiguous, if the AMCC class aligns with those, there will be no issue ...........

[RobGassit]

Not taking the piss Sir, but please READ the rules before you comment, eh ?
There is enough scope in the rules to allow "tailoring", but the intent is to actively discourage "fettling / faffing / fixing / farking about with" so the emphasis is correctly on the RIDER, not the bike.

The National Class rules are pretty clear and unambiguous, if the AMCC class aligns with those, there will be no issue ...........

Rules have been read and re read thanks very much. My comments stand.

[budda]

Yea,Or fancy aluminium Bridgestone dust caps Oooops!!!

$2 shop has an awesome range of these probably, they should be compulsory i'm thinking...[/QUOTE]

USED to have to run STEEL valve caps, but that rule has gone to God ..... those nice shiney Bridgestone ones ARE trick though - but only the FAST guys have got 'em ! Hmmmmmm, beginning to see a pattern here .......

[budda]

Rules have been read and re read thanks very much. My comments stand.

So where is the uncertainty re tyres ?

[RobGassit]

So where is the uncertainty re tyres ?

a, DOT marked road legal type treaded all weather fitment will be permitted.
b, No specialist rain/wet tyres allowed, even if DOT marked.

So where does that place a Heidenau Dot intermediate road legal tyre? Is it a DOT tyre, an intermediate, a specialist tyre, a wet? Pretty sure It means it is not allowed but perhaps it could be clarified.
My main concern was with electronics, auto tuners etc. Cam timing and the removal of internal exhaust cats also spring to mind, not to mention disc brake removal.

[SWERVE]

I have a few q,s!
As i am wanting to purchase a 2011 fuel injected ninja for next season. I have spoken with Mike at kawasaki nz and he says that they will be applying for homologation for that model as 150 are allocated for nz. All good......
However this does raise the issue of.......
It has 2 cat converters....one in exhaust can (no probs will replaced with an aftermarket can)
The other is in the collector/mid pipe... will it be allowed to remove this and replace with same size straight pipe (as per other stock classes)
As with most bikes if you alter the exhaust and or remove cat it will need re-jetting/tuning for best running and to minimise engine probs. You can re-jet a carb bike so surely you should be able to re-tune a Fi bike. (dont think auto tune is nessesary) should be able to set it up on dyno and leave it.

now to the rules
Section 7 mods allowed
o) ignition (ecu icm ecm must remain and wiring loom must be standard) A power comm doesn,t alter the ignition just the fuel. but a yoshi box (piggyback) does and these are available.... i believe the european junior cup bike run these. So you can drastically alter ignition with a box which is probebly only accessable by a few but not alter the fuelling with a box available from you local bike shop.
Just looking for clarification.

Section 9.
c) fixed/welded brackets must remain....... so when the side stand bracket on your Hyosung or ninja has ground away after a few laps( providing it hasnt dug in and high-sided you first) do you have to weld it back or is it then ok........... but if you remove it (before it flips you) it is illegal.
I know what the answer to this probebly is but it could be a "grey" area.

d) breathers/overflows must discharge via existing outlet...... does this mean they must discharge FROM the original place or discharge INTO the standard receptical. Or both!
(ie) can you remove a plastic radiator overflow/expansion tank and run the existing tube into a regulation size catch tank (or red bull can!!) same any other overflows.
as i see no mention of the regulation spill container for fluids that is usually stated.

again just my q,s and observations.
having been involved in the streetsock crusade for a few years i really want this class to get it right from the start and benefit all (especially the young guys)
Surely as there are only a handful of models that will be eligible the powers that be with the nz importers can come up with some more precise rules based on what is realistically safe and practical and which will make it affordable but still a proper race class.
The only reason that i havent already purchased a 2011 model is that the cat/pc thing hasnt been verfied........... i want to promote the latest model (which i see as industry relevent) but will buy a 2010 carb model if that will allow race type mods.

I see that option as going backwards but who am i to say.......... just a "joe" who is prepared to spend $9000 on a bike to promote a new class:shutup:

[Billy]

Rules have been read and re read thanks very much. My comments stand.

I think you'll find,Buddas elluding to the tyre rule,NO specialist wet weather tyres allowed,Dot approved or otherwise.

[matdaymon]

Whats the deal with spectating these events? Would be quite keen to ride down and watch the goings on at the Hampton and Puke rounds

[Billy]

I have a few q,s!
As i am wanting to purchase a 2011 fuel injected ninja for next season. I have spoken with Mike at kawasaki nz and he says that they will be applying for homologation for that model as 150 are allocated for nz. All good......
However this does raise the issue of.......
It has 2 cat converters....one in exhaust can (no probs will replaced with an aftermarket can)
The other is in the collector/mid pipe... will it be allowed to remove this and replace with same size straight pipe (as per other stock classes)
As with most bikes if you alter the exhaust and or remove cat it will need re-jetting/tuning for best running and to minimise engine probs. You can re-jet a carb bike so surely you should be able to re-tune a Fi bike. (dont think auto tune is nessesary) should be able to set it up on dyno and leave it.

now to the rules
Section 7 mods allowed
o) ignition (ecu icm ecm must remain and wiring loom must be standard) A power comm doesn,t alter the ignition just the fuel. but a yoshi box (piggyback) does and these are available.... i believe the european junior cup bike run these. So you can drastically alter ignition with a box which is probebly only accessable by a few but not alter the fuelling with a box available from you local bike shop.
Just looking for clarification.

Section 9.
c) fixed/welded brackets must remain....... so when the side stand bracket on your Hyosung or ninja has ground away after a few laps( providing it hasnt dug in and high-sided you first) do you have to weld it back or is it then ok........... but if you remove it (before it flips you) it is illegal.
I know what the answer to this probebly is but it could be a "grey" area.

d) breathers/overflows must discharge via existing outlet...... does this mean they must discharge FROM the original place or discharge INTO the standard receptical. Or both!
(ie) can you remove a plastic radiator overflow/expansion tank and run the existing tube into a regulation size catch tank (or red bull can!!) same any other overflows.
as i see no mention of the regulation spill container for fluids that is usually stated.

again just my q,s and observations.
having been involved in the streetsock crusade for a few years i really want this class to get it right from the start and benefit all (especially the young guys)
Surely as there are only a handful of models that will be eligible the powers that be with the nz importers can come up with some more precise rules based on what is realistically safe and practical and which will make it affordable but still a proper race class.
The only reason that i havent already purchased a 2011 model is that the cat/pc thing hasnt been verfied........... i want to promote the latest model (which i see as industry relevent) but will buy a 2010 carb model if that will allow race type mods.

I see that option as going backwards but who am i to say.......... just a "joe" who is prepared to spend $9000 on a bike to promote a new class:shutup:

Thought the rule surrounding the sidestand bracket was crystal clear Merv,Must remain in its orignal position,Any burring caused by grinding on the ground can be cleaned up with a file and no more,That rule is in place for a specific reason,Fairness for all wanting to enter the class,IE Anybody entering the class that also uses their machine for daily transport can obviously not remove that bracket and believe it or not,Its an entry level class for newcomers young and old,FFS anybody reading this post that is planning to enter this class,Can you please print this post off and read it to yourself everyday cause Im getting pissed off with explaining the same dumb shit time and again to idiots that are just looking for the right answer so they can cheat with a clear conscience,The rules are on the MNZ website for everyone too read,Print them off if need be and make sure you understand them completely before modifying anything.If you got a problem contact the roadrace commission chairman through his email address as listed on the MNZ website.

Why youd think you were allowed to run a Yoshi box is beyond me,No where in the rules does it say theyre allowable,If its not mentioned in that section then you cant do it,Simple as that.

[budda]

I have a few q,s!
As i am wanting to purchase a 2011 fuel injected ninja for next season. I have spoken with Mike at kawasaki nz and he says that they will be applying for homologation for that model as 150 are allocated for nz. All good......
However this does raise the issue of.......
It has 2 cat converters....one in exhaust can (no probs will replaced with an aftermarket can)
The other is in the collector/mid pipe... will it be allowed to remove this and replace with same size straight pipe (as per other stock classes)
As with most bikes if you alter the exhaust and or remove cat it will need re-jetting/tuning for best running and to minimise engine probs. You can re-jet a carb bike so surely you should be able to re-tune a Fi bike. (dont think auto tune is nessesary) should be able to set it up on dyno and leave it.

now to the rules
Section 7 mods allowed
o) ignition (ecu icm ecm must remain and wiring loom must be standard) A power comm doesn,t alter the ignition just the fuel. but a yoshi box (piggyback) does and these are available.... i believe the european junior cup bike run these. So you can drastically alter ignition with a box which is probebly only accessable by a few but not alter the fuelling with a box available from you local bike shop.
Just looking for clarification.

Section 9.
c) fixed/welded brackets must remain....... so when the side stand bracket on your Hyosung or ninja has ground away after a few laps( providing it hasnt dug in and high-sided you first) do you have to weld it back or is it then ok........... but if you remove it (before it flips you) it is illegal.
I know what the answer to this probebly is but it could be a "grey" area.

d) breathers/overflows must discharge via existing outlet...... does this mean they must discharge FROM the original place or discharge INTO the standard receptical. Or both!
(ie) can you remove a plastic radiator overflow/expansion tank and run the existing tube into a regulation size catch tank (or red bull can!!) same any other overflows.
as i see no mention of the regulation spill container for fluids that is usually stated.

again just my q,s and observations.
having been involved in the streetsock crusade for a few years i really want this class to get it right from the start and benefit all (especially the young guys)
Surely as there are only a handful of models that will be eligible the powers that be with the nz importers can come up with some more precise rules based on what is realistically safe and practical and which will make it affordable but still a proper race class.
The only reason that i havent already purchased a 2011 model is that the cat/pc thing hasnt been verfied........... i want to promote the latest model (which i see as industry relevent) but will buy a 2010 carb model if that will allow race type mods.

I see that option as going backwards but who am i to say.......... just a "joe" who is prepared to spend $9000 on a bike to promote a new class:shutup:

So in essence what you're REALLY saying is that you'll only go racing if the rules suit what you want to modify. The rules are clear enough for most thinking people Merv - Exhausts remain unmolested with the exception of a slip-on type muffler. The end.

All fixed brackets remain exactly that - where there is contact with the ground, the sharp edges must be removed for safety's sake - same as any OTHER part of the bike. NO cutting / grinding of brackets otherwise is permitted. Period.

The initial decision of the Commission was to ban Power Commanders - we are revisiting this. You can also buy full exhaust systems that increase power, and adjustable suspension, and race cams etc etc etc - cant do THOSE either.

Suggest you do what Seth did - take a standard bike, reshoe it, and ride the hell out of it - consistently.If you enjoy the ride as much as he does, well worth it ........

[RobGassit]

Good as gold. All sorted. I understand completely. No doubts what so ever. Crystal clear. It's all clearly stated in the rules. But I'm keeping the Phaarkin alloy valve caps!

[SWERVE]

Billy. I dont wanna cheat........ but dont wanna be beaten by people who do then dont get penalised cos no one can make sense or give clear answers to the rules.
As Mr gassit hinted on its the interpretation of the wording.
for example.
rules state you can modify ignition.......... but wiring loom must be standard...(intrepretation) that means you CAN add a box of tricks that modifies the ignition providing you dont have to alter the wiring............ and what say young Dan brings his junior cup bike back from europe with a box of tricks and a standard loom......... lets watch the shitfight thans ensues after that (it could happen)
This is not just a problem with prolite rules .... as i see it most of the rules in MNZ book are very open to interpretation...... i am used to seeing a rule book that ressembles "war & peace" the rules for production racing should if anything be more in depth than say superbike where its you can modify almost anything. So actaully less room for interpretation.(more room for innovation)

I actually write build & service manuals for industrial machinary as part of my job....... and i can tell you from experience that when you think you have covered all bases........ youve only just begun:blink:
Im not looking to pick holes or get into an argument over this but the old kiwi special of "she,ll be alright mate" is beginning to rear its head.
If it was.... take ya mirrors off and tape up the lights only class id be happy..... and im sure the current NZ champ would........ as he put the lights back on the winning bike and took his girlfriend to Akaroa last weekend.

This could be THE CLASS of the future.......... "she,ll be alright" will see it being a damp squid.

[SWERVE]

So in essence what you're REALLY saying is that you'll only go racing if the rules suit what you want to modify. The rules are clear enough for most thinking people Merv - Exhausts remain unmolested with the exception of a slip-on type muffler. The end.

All fixed brackets remain exactly that - where there is contact with the ground, the sharp edges must be removed for safety's sake - same as any OTHER part of the bike. NO cutting / grinding of brackets otherwise is permitted. Period.

The initial decision of the Commission was to ban Power Commanders - we are revisiting this. You can also buy full exhaust systems that increase power, and adjustable suspension, and race cams etc etc etc - cant do THOSE either.

Suggest you do what Seth did - take a standard bike, reshoe it, and ride the hell out of it - consistently.If you enjoy the ride as much as he does, well worth it ........

No mate.
I will only go racing with a new model bike if its allowed to run parity with the older model............. NO......... then i will buy the older model and go racing.
Do want any special rules or such just clarification and fair level playing field.

But then im from the Sth island so that means im an instant cheat anyway........ as how else could we southerners possibly think we could beat the northeners......... thats how it goes isnt it:facepalm:

[RobGassit]

No mate.
I will only go racing with a new model bike if its allowed to run parity with the older model............. NO......... then i will buy the older model and go racing.
Do want any special rules or such just clarification and fair level playing field.

But then im from the Sth island so that means im an instant cheat anyway........ as how else could we southerners possibly think we could beat the northeners......... thats how it goes isnt it:facepalm:

Jeez dude I hear you, but can you make a sentence out of the following words? horse,are, you ,dead, a, and flogging. Nobody will cheat and nobody will protest. You have my solemn word as a Northerner on it.:facepalm:

[SWERVE]

Jeez dude I hear you, but can you make a sentence out of the following words? horse,are, you ,dead, a, and flogging. Nobody will cheat and nobody will protest. You have my solemn word as a Northerner on it.:facepalm:

A sentence containing shite & uphill springs to mind.:shutup: Coming from the UK taking the word of a northener is considered........risky..... no offence bud:innocent:
Someone WILL cheat......... but no one will protest (just moan about it a lot) same old same old.
As there seems to be more poison aimed at the protester than the offender by the masses. Very unsporting to protest ol chap!!!!!!!!
Personally think it should be the governing body that orders an audit....... at random......not always waiting for a protest.

[RobGassit]

How about a Kawasaki Cup series run in conjunction with the Nationals? :innocent:

[RobGassit]

First prize is a new 2011 Hyosung. Second prize is two 2011 Hyosungs and so on, all the way down to tenth position.:facepalm:

[SWERVE]

Ha... like you idea.:yes:
As the kawasaki/prolite thing seems to have hijacked the hyosung cup thread. And im on the boil lets carry on the thread.
Hyosung cup............great idea........big ups for the importers for getting involved and actually providing PRIZE MONEY:shit:.
In an ideal world some young rocket would stamp his authority in this series win some coin and go on the race at the pointy end of prolite at the nats and give those pesky ninja,s a bit of competition.
In the real world some already successful racer will probebly get given a bike..... go on to take most of the loot........ then go to the nats and race with the money won........but it wont be on a hyosung .... it wont be in prolite. Lets face it a few grand would help out many in the senior ranks.

The hyosung cup should have had an age limit ..there should be prize money and the top prize should have been a fully supported ride in the nats on a hyosung in prolite.
Rant over.......as you were

[jellywrestler]

can you make a sentence out of the following words? horse,are, you ,dead, a, and flogging.

I can try

Dear Abbey,
I'm into Beastiality, Necrophilia and Sadism. Do you think I'm flogging a dead horse?
Graeme

[prettybillie]

Hmmmm it's all getting very serious. I bought my 2 fiddy (thanks Billy) to have a bit of fun and learn to race a cheaper way. Looks like I might be selling mine as it's sounding less and less fun and more and more like a who's got the biggest cock competition which I'm clearly not qualified for :blink:

[RobGassit]

I can try

Dear Abbey,
I'm into Beastiality, Necrophilia and Sadism. Do you think I'm flogging a dead horse?
Graeme

Thats phaarkin funny and clever but say's more about your habits than anyone on here should know. Well played.:yes:

[budda]

No mate.
I will only go racing with a new model bike if its allowed to run parity with the older model............. NO......... then i will buy the older model and go racing.
Do want any special rules or such just clarification and fair level playing field.

But then im from the Sth island so that means im an instant cheat anyway........ as how else could we southerners possibly think we could beat the northeners......... thats how it goes isnt it:facepalm:

Mate, I only WORK in Pig Island - the Mainland has for YEARS produced talented, never say die riders, based on plain old fashioned hard work and inability to accept the "you cant do that 'cos you're not from here" attitude that some Clubs foster.

The StreetStock movement started up North, shrivelled and died through neglect - it was picked up and re-invigorated by a small number of dedicated people with the above attitude - all credit to them. This new Class is an attempt to provide a furthering of the momentum withOUT taking away from what clearly works - StreetStock 150's.

The ProLite 250 Class is designed to provide a stable platform for riders, young and old, to learn the craft without having a massive wallet, without having a Team of helpers and Advisors, without needing specialist Technical assistance and WITH the fun factor present and accounted for.

Clearly the Hyosung Cup has stirred up interest in this Class - FANTASTIC .......
There are a lot more than just the two Distributors products eligible - lets see who will walk the walk and Homologate theirs .......

[budda]

Good as gold. All sorted. I understand completely. No doubts what so ever. Crystal clear. It's all clearly stated in the rules. But I'm keeping the Phaarkin alloy valve caps!

You're welcome

[RobGassit]

Mate, I only WORK in Pig Island - the Mainland has for YEARS produced talented, never say die riders, based on plain old fashioned hard work and inability to accept the "you cant do that 'cos you're not from here" attitude that some Clubs foster.

The StreetStock movement started up North, shrivelled and died through neglect - it was picked up and re-invigorated by a small number of dedicated people with the above attitude - all credit to them. This new Class is an attempt to provide a furthering of the momentum withOUT taking away from what clearly works - StreetStock 150's.

The ProLite 250 Class is designed to provide a stable platform for riders, young and old, to learn the craft without having a massive wallet, without having a Team of helpers and Advisors, without needing specialist Technical assistance and WITH the fun factor present and accounted for.

Clearly the Hyosung Cup has stirred up interest in this Class - FANTASTIC .......
There are a lot more than just the two Distributors products eligible - lets see who will walk the walk and Homologate theirs .......

GN250 anyone? Anyone at all? Hello? Anyone?

[puddytat]

Vt250? Anyone....Hello?Helloooo.....yoohoo? Na. No one home.

[budda]

[QUOTE=RobGassit;1130082804]a, DOT marked road legal type treaded all weather fitment will be permitted.
b, No specialist rain/wet tyres allowed, even if DOT marked.

So where does that place a Heidenau Dot intermediate road legal tyre? Is it a DOT tyre, an intermediate, a specialist tyre, a wet? Pretty sure It means it is not allowed but perhaps it could be clarified.
QUOTE]
The Heidenau is a specialist Intermediate wet weather tyre, and if the information I have is correct, also falls outside the rim fitment specs ..... that do the job ?

[RobGassit]

[QUOTE=RobGassit;1130082804]a, DOT marked road legal type treaded all weather fitment will be permitted.
b, No specialist rain/wet tyres allowed, even if DOT marked.

So where does that place a Heidenau Dot intermediate road legal tyre? Is it a DOT tyre, an intermediate, a specialist tyre, a wet? Pretty sure It means it is not allowed but perhaps it could be clarified.
QUOTE]
The Heidenau is a specialist Intermediate wet weather tyre, and if the information I have is correct, also falls outside the rim fitment specs ..... that do the job ?

Yes thanks.

[budda]

Billy. I dont wanna cheat........ but dont wanna be beaten by people who do then dont get penalised cos no one can make sense or give clear answers to the rules.
As Mr gassit hinted on its the interpretation of the wording.
for example.
rules state you can modify ignition.......... but wiring loom must be standard...(intrepretation) The rules ACTUALLY state the ignition must remain standard ............ and what say young Dan brings his junior cup bike back from europe with a box of tricks and a standard loom......... lets watch the shitfight thans ensues after that (it could happen)Never happen unless Kawasaki imports 50 of them and Homologates them as a standard roadbike - not likely methinksThis is not just a problem with prolite rules .... as i see it most of the rules in MNZ book are very open to interpretation...... i am used to seeing a rule book that ressembles "war & peace" the rules for production racing should if anything be more in depth than say superbike where its you can modify almost anything. So actaully less room for interpretation.(more room for innovation)

I actually write build & service manuals for industrial machinary as part of my job....... and i can tell you from experience that when you think you have covered all bases........ youve only just begun:blink:
Im not looking to pick holes or get into an argument over this but the old kiwi special of "she,ll be alright mate" is beginning to rear its head.
If it was.... take ya mirrors off and tape up the lights only class id be happy..... and im sure the current NZ champ would........ as he put the lights back on the winning bike and took his girlfriend to Akaroa last weekend. Point proven Merv - the Champs winning bike was as the Green Man made it, sans lights, and it was "competitive"This could be THE CLASS of the future.......... "she,ll be alright" will see it being a damp squid.

lets get your bike on track, and prove me wrong - if you mean you cant be competitive and enjoy yourself on a standard, legal bike, maybe the time has come to consider PLanking or some other equally taxing passtime

[SWERVE]

Hmmmm it's all getting very serious. I bought my 2 fiddy (thanks Billy) to have a bit of fun and learn to race a cheaper way. Looks like I might be selling mine as it's sounding less and less fun and more and more like a who's got the biggest cock competition which I'm clearly not qualified for :blink:

Dont sell it............
The important people are those who enjoy riding whatever the class.
Ive been involved in building/maintaining motorsport machines for nearly 30 yrs..... my enjoyment comes from interpreting rules /regs.
My main aim is to bring on as many youngsters as i can manage to support over the next few years...... just want to aviod some of the mistakes made in the past....
Alas when you make any class a national championship or put up $10,000 you will bring out the "big cocks"
( i have seen rule books for one class that are almost as big as the MNZ handbook)
and still managed to find an odd "loophole":innocent:

[RobGassit]

I'm starting a rumor that Craig Shirriffs is planning to burgle the Hyosung Cup!:shit:

[SWERVE]

I'm starting a rumor that Craig Shirriffs is planning to burgle the Hyosung Cup!:shit:

And already doing a cover up!!!!!!!!! by stating its a rumour:facepalm:
Sorry Suzuki gonna ride the GT250 as ive got a full factory ride..... :woohoo:

Budda........ yes it does state that ignition is to remain standard. But when its in the allowed mods section and maybe not puncuated correctly (im not an english teacher)
it could be mis-interpreted. As preceeding items are allowed mods.
(sorry its my anal/think im at work/ writing a manual for dummies mode)

Would like to put Seth on a ninja 250 with touring screen..... oxford panniers... heated grips........ just to prove the point too........HEY there is no mention of panniers or heated grips in the rules (might have to comply with the screen..BUGGAR)
Sorry....... just yankin ya chain.........we are fighting for the same side i believe.:yes:

[Billy]

Billy. I dont wanna cheat........ but dont wanna be beaten by people who do then dont get penalised cos no one can make sense or give clear answers to the rules.
As Mr gassit hinted on its the interpretation of the wording.
for example.
rules state you can modify ignition.......... but wiring loom must be standard...(intrepretation) that means you CAN add a box of tricks that modifies the ignition providing you dont have to alter the wiring............ and what say young Dan brings his junior cup bike back from europe with a box of tricks and a standard loom......... lets watch the shitfight thans ensues after that (it could happen)
This is not just a problem with prolite rules .... as i see it most of the rules in MNZ book are very open to interpretation...... i am used to seeing a rule book that ressembles "war & peace" the rules for production racing should if anything be more in depth than say superbike where its you can modify almost anything. So actaully less room for interpretation.(more room for innovation)

I actually write build & service manuals for industrial machinary as part of my job....... and i can tell you from experience that when you think you have covered all bases........ youve only just begun:blink:
Im not looking to pick holes or get into an argument over this but the old kiwi special of "she,ll be alright mate" is beginning to rear its head.
If it was.... take ya mirrors off and tape up the lights only class id be happy..... and im sure the current NZ champ would........ as he put the lights back on the winning bike and took his girlfriend to Akaroa last weekend.

This could be THE CLASS of the future.......... "she,ll be alright" will see it being a damp squid.

Coupla things youve got wrong there mate,

Firstly you CANNOT modify the ignition,Dont know where you read that but it wasnt in the prolite 250 rules.

Secondly,This WILL,Not "could" be the class of the future.

Thats why I asked the questions earlier surrounding the supp regs for this series,Oh and I WILL protest ANYBODY I think is cheating no matter who they are or what flavour theyre riding,North or South Islander,Try me!!!

Leanne,Keep plugging away at it,You dont need to worry about anybody else but yourself,Give you a call tomorrow.

[Billy]

Would like to put Seth on a ninja 250 with touring screen..... oxford panniers... heated grips........ just to prove the point too........HEY there is no mention of panniers or heated grips in the rules (might have to comply with the screen..BUGGAR)

Or a Hyosung ???Might happen yet,Watch this space LOL

[budda]

Or a Hyosung ???Might happen yet,Watch this space LOL

Long as he's on the right rubber, be in with a chance ( oh, and the requisite valve caps )

[Billy]

Long as he's on the right rubber, be in with a chance ( oh, and the requisite valve caps )

Rubber and caps already fitted!!!

[Racey Rider]

a, DOT marked road legal type treaded all weather fitment will be permitted.
b, No specialist rain/wet tyres allowed, even if DOT marked.

So where does that place a Heidenau Dot intermediate road legal tyre? Is it a DOT tyre, an intermediate, a specialist tyre, a wet? Pretty sure It means it is not allowed but perhaps it could be clarified.


MNZ rule: Front and rear tyres fitted must conform to the tyre importers specifications for the homologated rim sizes for that model.



The Heidenau is a specialist Intermediate wet weather tyre, and if the information I have is correct, also falls outside the rim fitment specs ..... that do the job ?

As this comment unintentionally brings a slur to my name, as I ran the Heidenau K73 Dot 'super rain' tyres for a round of Vic Prolites last year before the rule was changed, let me air my understanding.
My information comes directly from the Heidenau factory Tech spec's...

Both the 120/70-17" and the 160/60-17" K73 come in a silica rich soft compound 'race rubber', 'RSC', and a non silica intermediate compound rubber, 'RKM'.

They have a recommended rim size of 3.50 front, and 4.50 rear.
But are suitable for rim sizes 2.75 - 3.75 Front
and 3.75 - 5.00 rear.

So to my understanding, from a size point of view, the 3"/4" rim combination of the hyosung and others is within the specifications for this model tyre.
Am I miss understanding the rule?

One could also argue that the Heidenau intermediate compound K73 is not a 'specialist Intermediate wet weather tyre', as it's not listed in the racing section of the Heidenau website. But is just classified as a 'road' tyre, good for wet conditions.
But given that Heidenau continued with the 'super rain' wording on the sidewall of this tyre, it could be a case of pushing the preverbal uphill to get that understanding through!

I could not find anywhere on the MNZ website, about what the clarification of a 'Wet' was.
It used to be understood as a non DoT wet tread tyre. But now with that rule changed to include Dot 'wets', How do we know What a 'Wet' is?
Is it wording on the tyre?
Compound of the rubber?
Look of the Tread ?
Whats the criteria?

[RobGassit]

MNZ rule: Front and rear tyres fitted must conform to the tyre importers specifications for the homologated rim sizes for that model.



As this comment unintentionally brings a slur to my name, as I ran the Heidenau K73 Dot 'super rain' tyres for a round of Vic Prolites last year before the rule was changed, let me air my understanding.
My information comes directly from the Heidenau factory Tech spec's...

Both the 120/70-17" and the 160/60-17" K73 come in a silica rich soft compound 'race rubber', 'RSC', and a non silica intermediate compound rubber, 'RKM'.

They have a recommended rim size of 3.50 front, and 4.50 rear.
But are suitable for rim sizes 2.75 - 3.75 Front
and 3.75 - 5.00 rear.

So to my understanding, from a size point of view, the 3"/4" rim combination of the hyosung and others is within the specifications for this model tyre.
Am I miss understanding the rule?

One could also argue that the Heidenau intermediate compound K73 is not a 'specialist Intermediate wet weather tyre', as it's not listed in the racing section of the Heidenau website. But is just classified as a 'road' tyre, good for wet conditions.
But given that Heidenau continued with the 'super rain' wording on the sidewall of this tyre, it could be a case of pushing the preverbal uphill to get that understanding through!

I could not find anywhere on the MNZ website, about what the clarification of a 'Wet' was.
It used to be understood as a non DoT wet tread tyre. But now with that rule changed to include Dot 'wets', How do we know What a 'Wet' is?
Is it wording on the tyre?
Compound of the rubber?
Look of the Tread ?
Whats the criteria?



I can hardly wait for the answer to this one?:wait:

[budda]

The information I have regarding these tyres came direct from the Distributor for this brand, who sells this brand of tyres into the race scene here and in Australia.

He tells me these tyres are a specialist wet weather race tyre for intermediate use, and although "DOT" marked are intended as a RACE tyre

From what you say, I may be mis-informed regarding the rim sizing though - where did you say your info comes from, as it appears to differ from what I've been told, and isnt what I have in the latest Heideau catalogue

The rules are there to ensure, as far as practicable, the mythical "level playing field" for all Competitors in this Class and to keep wallet racers out of contention

[RobGassit]

I'm not saying a Phaarkin word.....:innocent:

[SWERVE]

The information I have regarding these tyres came direct from the Distributor for this brand, who sells this brand of tyres into the race scene here and in Australia.

He tells me these tyres are a specialist wet weather race tyre for intermediate use, and although "DOT" marked are intended as a RACE tyre

From what you say, I may be mis-informed regarding the rim sizing though - where did you say your info comes from, as it appears to differ from what I've been told, and isnt what I have in the latest Heideau catalogue

The rules are there to ensure, as far as practicable, the mythical "level playing field" for all Competitors in this Class and to keep wallet racers out of contention

Im sorry....had to speak on this one:shutup:
FACT the tyre has DOT approval..which is all that some see
Intention as a race tyre is in the same "grey area" bracket as interpretation and assumption (and we all know about the last one biting us)
And one persons interpretation of the word "practical" against another will probebly stretch the realms of vagueness. In fact i would like to see a discussion about practicality with some of racings more vocal and colorfull types:facepalm:
And a someone said in a earlier post... if its not in the ruling you cant touch it... This is automatically interpreted/assumed/intended as if it "does say you cant- you can! by the other side.
The rulings are fundamentally correct... just not detailed enough or specific enough.
This would take time and consultation with various parties.... but could make it all very black & white.

Sorry...just had too:scooter:
I would just like to see a list of "cans" v "cant,s simple.

[Billy]

Im sorry....had to speak on this one:shutup:
FACT the tyre has DOT approval..which is all that some see
Intention as a race tyre is in the same "grey area" bracket as interpretation and assumption (and we all know about the last one biting us)
And one persons interpretation of the word "practical" against another will probebly stretch the realms of vagueness. In fact i would like to see a discussion about practicality with some of racings more vocal and colorfull types:facepalm:
And a someone said in a earlier post... if its not in the ruling you cant touch it... This is automatically interpreted/assumed/intended as if it "does say you cant- you can! by the other side.
The rulings are fundamentally correct... just not detailed enough or specific enough.
This would take time and consultation with various parties.... but could make it all very black & white.

Sorry...just had too:scooter:
I would just like to see a list of "cans" v "cant,s simple.

Yerr,Its always been my biggest bone of contention surrounding "Production" racing rules,That if you have a list of cans and cants it leaves a whole raft of maybes,However by stating in the rules "if its not mentioned,You cant touch it"Clears that up,Doesnt it ???

I mean,You have to be reasonably stupid to not understand that,Either that or ignorant!!

Its easy enough to email the roadrace commission chairman at the correct email address if your unsure of any issues you confront,Kiwibiker is not that address!Anybody posting that sort of request on this site is most probably,As I stated last night,Fishing for the right answer to justify their actions!!!

Remember,Ignorance or failing to ask the right people is not an excuse at the track!!

[Racey Rider]

Ok, it seems it depends where you look on the Heidenau website.

I see there is a new 'English worded' race tyre catalogue (http://www.reifenwerk-heidenau.de/documents/downloads/HbsJjZMQJr.pdf) there now where they do group the intermediate K73 in with their race tyres. Yet on their main site they still have the intermediate K73 grouped in with their road tyres only.
Will get the importer to suggest they sort it out.

I was quoting from last years fuller 'Retailers technical data sheets' that Heidenau produced in German only. (I just read it for the pictures and numbers)

[jellywrestler]

Hmmmm it's all getting very serious. I bought my 2 fiddy (thanks Billy) to have a bit of fun and learn to race a cheaper way. Looks like I might be selling mine as it's sounding less and less fun and more and more like a who's got the biggest cock competition which I'm clearly not qualified for :blink:

What, didn't think this was a sidecar thread????

[oyster]

I'm in full support of Racey Rider. A good person / rider who made an effort to support a class and play by the rules. For this he's rewarded by MNZ changing the rules in the middle of a championship without consultation with riders. He now has a set of tyres only good for growing geraniums in. Is that fair?
Don't have MNZ rules about changing rules? Aren't rule changes an annual affair, after consultation/feedback? And they can't use the excuse it's a safety matter. Taking away the RIGHT of the rider fit race wet tyres for wet racing (and it really does piss down at Manfeild and Hampton Downs! (often!) is surely taking safety the wrong direction. It's only a few years ago Alan Cressey gave legal advice to MNZ that they cannot prevent Streetstock riders the opportunity to fit wets as every other class (and every other motorsport on sealed surfaces) is allowed them.
Isn't this case of MNZ breaking rule making rules themselves?

[jellywrestler]

im not an english teacher
clearly not otherwise you would have put an apostrophe in your I'm, and capatilised it.
Maybe MNZ should move into the moderan era and have the rule book also available in Maori???

[jellywrestler]

Remember,Ignorance or failing to ask the right people is not an excuse at the track!!
It's been mine for many years and worked I think

[budda]

I'm in full support of Racey Rider. A good person / rider who made an effort to support a class and play by the rules. For this he's rewarded by MNZ changing the rules in the middle of a championship without consultation with riders. He now has a set of tyres only good for growing geraniums in. Is that fair?
Don't have MNZ rules about changing rules? Aren't rule changes an annual affair, after consultation/feedback? And they can't use the excuse it's a safety matter. Taking away the RIGHT of the rider fit race wet tyres for wet racing (and it really does piss down at Manfeild and Hampton Downs! (often!) is surely taking safety the wrong direction. It's only a few years ago Alan Cressey gave legal advice to MNZ that they cannot prevent Streetstock riders the opportunity to fit wets as every other class (and every other motorsport on sealed surfaces) is allowed them.
Isn't this case of MNZ breaking rule making rules themselves?

Wondered how long it would take ........

[SWERVE]

Yerr,Its always been my biggest bone of contention surrounding "Production" racing rules,That if you have a list of cans and cants it leaves a whole raft of maybes,However by stating in the rules "if its not mentioned,You cant touch it"Clears that up,Doesnt it ???

I mean,You have to be reasonably stupid to not understand that,Either that or ignorant!!

Its easy enough to email the roadrace commission chairman at the correct email address if your unsure of any issues you confront,Kiwibiker is not that address!Anybody posting that sort of request on this site is most probably,As I stated last night,Fishing for the right answer to justify their actions!!!

Remember,Ignorance or failing to ask the right people is not an excuse at the track!!

I will agree to differ on the first note Billy. I see you point about "not listed/cant touch" but personally would like specific "cans/cant,s & exactly what you cans".

I actually emailed the road race commision & pm,d buddha about the subject in my first post........... didnt get a relpy or notification on either count............. so thought i would try here...........oh look i got a reply:facepalm: Anyway the broader range of opinions on here is much better and some good ideas too. Still a free country last time i checked.:rockon:

Its a shame that we dont all live closer ....its friday night and we could have a lively discussion over a few pints down the pub..... and put a few "world issues to rites" at the same time.
Would probebly be a good night!!!!!!!:innocent: good ol fashioned heated debate involving alcohol....... night was going well until in walked Mr Jones and spilt budda,s pint:drinkup: hold on to your glasses gents.........its gonna get ugly:facepalm:
Evening Pete:innocent:

[Billy]

I'm in full support of Racey Rider. A good person / rider who made an effort to support a class and play by the rules. For this he's rewarded by MNZ changing the rules in the middle of a championship without consultation with riders. He now has a set of tyres only good for growing geraniums in. Is that fair?
Don't have MNZ rules about changing rules? Aren't rule changes an annual affair, after consultation/feedback? And they can't use the excuse it's a safety matter. Taking away the RIGHT of the rider fit race wet tyres for wet racing (and it really does piss down at Manfeild and Hampton Downs! (often!) is surely taking safety the wrong direction. It's only a few years ago Alan Cressey gave legal advice to MNZ that they cannot prevent Streetstock riders the opportunity to fit wets as every other class (and every other motorsport on sealed surfaces) is allowed them.
Isn't this case of MNZ breaking rule making rules themselves?

Sorry Pete,

Gotta disagree with you on this one,The issue surrounding Alex's tyres came up in the middle of the Actrix series last year and was included in the new Prolite rules for this past season,Not half way through the Championship series as you've stated above and Alex knew about it as early as June last year!!

Also,I'm confused regarding your statement on wet weather tyres,Are you now suggesting wets should be allowed for streetstock?Because in your petition you organised and I signed at Ruapuna this year,The one thing we agreed on was "NO WETS",Also I was of the impression earlier when the issue of running slicks on the SS bikes in the wet arose. That the reasoning was to make it more affordable for the young ones and parents by not having to run with a spare pair of wheels and discs with wets fitted and that they were atleast as safe as treaded tyres were on a wet track,Are you suggesting that SS bikes should be allowed wets now???If so then why not allow tyre warmers as well as they enhance the life of the tyres by reducing the amount of heat cycles per day??

[Kickaha]

Also I was of the impression earlier when the issue of running slicks on the SS bikes in the wet arose. That the reasoning was to make it more affordable for the young ones and parents by not having to run with a spare pair of wheels and discs with wets fitted and that they were atleast as safe as treaded tyres were on a wet track

There was no "Issue" with running slicks on SS150 until MNZ created one, they seemed to be under the mistaken impression that if you run a slick in the wet you'll fall off before you get out of pit lane

[Billy]

There was no "Issue" with running slicks on SS150 until MNZ created one, they seemed to be under the mistaken impression that if you run a slick in the wet you'll fall off before you get out of pit lane

I wasn't suggesting there was,It was just a figure of speech and it wasn't ALL of MNZ that created the issue either!Just the CEO,You can thank Jim Tuckerman for getting rid of him:banana::banana::banana:

[RobGassit]

:girlfight:

[oyster]

Wrong Billy. The Pro lite rules changed in the middle of the night at the end of Jan or early Feb. Cos I printed off the rules from the site during the championship in Jan
and there they were allowed any DOT tyres. At the same time they changed the class from a non championship class to championship class as well.
I've never supported Streetstock having wets. I opposed it when MNZ put it in(under legal advice from lawyer Alan Cressey). He said they must include them to prevent potential worst case action from police/coroner should a fatality occur where someone was racing in the rain without the choice of specialist wet tyres as every other class including other motorsports have. In my post I'm only quoting a bit of history, not my opinion. In the poll I conducted (you refer to) I listed yes/no to wets. Most said no, but some said yes and I faithfully recorded that. I was my duty to be accurate, not taint it with my opinion. When the Pro Lite rules were formulated many years ago, I also opposed wets for this class as well. The reason was to keep costs down, but I must admit that experience of the skinny rimmed Streetstock and buckets using road tread or none at all (slick) in the wet successfully might not translate the same into Pro Lite with wide rims and very heavy chassis.

[Billy]

Wrong Billy. The Pro lite rules changed in the middle of the night at the end of Jan or early Feb. Cos I printed off the rules from the site during the championship in Jan
and there they were allowed any DOT tyres. At the same time they changed the class from a non championship class to championship class as well.


Wrong again Pete,The revised Prolite rules were on the MNZ website by mid January after a long and drawn out discussion between the board and commission over the wording of said rules,Clarification of the specialist wet tyres was introduced in the middle of last year at the request of myself and Russell Forrest,Mid January is not the middle of the season and they were NOT allowed "any" dot or e marked tyres,Also the class was introduced as a Championship class in 2008 under the heading"Production Light" but was only recognised as a class following round 1 this year where there were a minimum of 6 machines on the grid

[Racey Rider]

.... The issue surrounding Alex's tyres came up in the middle of the Actrix series last year and was included in the new Prolite rules for this past season,Not half way through the Championship series as you've stated above and Alex knew about it as early as June last year!!


The facts as I recall them,
The first time I had the DoT wets on the Hyosung was the 18/19th Sept 2010.
Vic round 5. Was going to be the two day meeting, but we all got washed out with that storm. No racing.
Then at round 6 I used them for Qualifying and race one, before changing to 'drys'.
(write up on KB).

I then had them on hand for the first round of the Pacific Sumer series (Nov 2010).
It was only at this round that You mentioned Billy, that the rules were going to be changed to exclude Dot approved 'wets'. That's the first I knew of it.
You then sent me the Proposed changes by email on the 17/12/2010.

I know this new rule was up on the MNZ website before round 2 of the summer series (Jan 16th). But figured it didn't apply to the summer series as that series had started before the rule change was on MNZ site. As it happened I didn't have to test that theory, as the remaining PMCC rounds were dry.

Now we must remember - we're all working towards the same goal here Sorting a class for the young/newbies (of any age)/financially challenged.
I'm not a beer buyer, but tell me what chocolate bar you fancy and I'll share a couple with ya next weekend!

[Billy]

The facts as I recall them,
The first time I had the DoT wets on the Hyosung was the 18/19th Sept 2010.
Vic round 5. Was going to be the two day meeting, but we all got washed out with that storm. No racing.
Then at round 6 I used them for Qualifying and race one, before changing to 'drys'.
(write up on KB).

I then had them on hand for the first round of the Pacific Sumer series (Nov 2010).
It was only at this round that You mentioned Billy, that the rules were going to be changed to exclude Dot approved 'wets'. That's the first I knew of it.
You then sent me the Proposed changes by email on the 17/12/2010.

I know this new rule was up on the MNZ website before round 2 of the summer series (Jan 16th). But figured it didn't apply to the summer series as that series had started before the rule change was on MNZ site. As it happened I didn't have to test that theory, as the remaining PMCC rounds were dry.

Now we must remember - we're all working towards the same goal here Sorting a class for the young/newbies (of any age)/financially challenged.
I'm not a beer buyer, but tell me what chocolate bar you fancy and I'll share a couple with ya next weekend!

Good skills Alex,I stand corrected as to which round you turned up with the wets,I was relying on memory as I had lost a lot of the relevant information when my computer crashed earlier in the year,All I knew was it was during the winter series and not the Nationals when the issue arose and was dealt with.

What!You dont drink beer?????

[budda]

The facts as I recall them,
The first time I had the DoT wets on the Hyosung was the 18/19th Sept 2010.
Vic round 5. Was going to be the two day meeting, but we all got washed out with that storm. No racing.
Then at round 6 I used them for Qualifying and race one, before changing to 'drys'.
(write up on KB).

I then had them on hand for the first round of the Pacific Sumer series (Nov 2010).
It was only at this round that You mentioned Billy, that the rules were going to be changed to exclude Dot approved 'wets'. That's the first I knew of it.
You then sent me the Proposed changes by email on the 17/12/2010.

I know this new rule was up on the MNZ website before round 2 of the summer series (Jan 16th). But figured it didn't apply to the summer series as that series had started before the rule change was on MNZ site. As it happened I didn't have to test that theory, as the remaining PMCC rounds were dry.

Now we must remember - we're all working towards the same goal here Sorting a class for the young/newbies (of any age)/financially challenged.
I'm not a beer buyer, but tell me what chocolate bar you fancy and I'll share a couple with ya next weekend!

Well done Alex, and thanks for your candid honesty. Your facts as presented tell the story nicely - important to understand that the "change" was in answer to a valid question from a number of Competitors ( not just Billy and Russell ) to clarify the situation for the future. The clarification was made to avoid the possibility of protests etc ; funny that stating what is and isnt allowed, in an effort to simplify things for all concerned, is railed against by those who want more transparency and "tick box" type rules - just proves theres no pleasing some folks

Thanks again for being up front and please, give that old coot a chocolate enema - he needs to put on at least 25kg to make minimum weight !

[Billy]

Well done Alex, and thanks for your candid honesty. Your facts as presented tell the story nicely - important to understand that the "change" was in answer to a valid question from a number of Competitors ( not just Billy and Russell ) to clarify the situation for the future. The clarification was made to avoid the possibility of protests etc ; funny that stating what is and isnt allowed, in an effort to simplify things for all concerned, is railed against by those who want more transparency and "tick box" type rules - just proves theres no pleasing some folks

Thanks again for being up front and please, give that old coot a chocolate enema - he needs to put on at least 25kg to make minimum weight !

Theres a mnimum weight rule now????Lend me some Mr round bwahahahahaha!!!

[RobGassit]

"funny that stating what is and isnt allowed, in an effort to simplify things for all concerned, is railed against by those who want more transparency and "tick box" type rules - just proves theres no pleasing some folks"

Not as funny as seeking clarification on a rule and being treated like a phaarkin idiot.

" Tailoring " Give me a break. I've got a dozen photos of "Tailoring" from the Nationals that range from electronics to frame modifications. All sailed through scrutineering.

[Kickaha]

" Tailoring " Give me a break. I've got a dozen photos of "Tailoring" from the Nationals that range from electronics to frame modifications. All sailed through scrutineering.

Scrutineering is concerned with safety not eligibility

[Buddha#81]

" Tailoring " Give me a break. I've got a dozen photos of "Tailoring" from the Nationals that range from electronics to frame modifications. All sailed through scrutineering.

Post them up......make sure the full bikes are in shot so we can see who the cheats are?:ar15:

[jellywrestler]

he needs to put on at least 25kg to make minimum weight !
hey don't do that, he's the only one road racing that Johnny Hepburn can sell his old leathers to!

[SWERVE]

Scrutineering is concerned with safety not eligibility
SCRUTINEERING............... did i miss something (only had 2 glasses of merlot)
Thought that was a thing of the past (very 90,s)
All bikes these days are maintained to a standard beyond good.......... and racers are the most honest bunch on the planet.......... aren,t they:weep:
I remember the good ol days of a long line of bikes into the "scrutineering shed" (at least Levels still has the shed) at 7.00am (most younger racers wont know about this.........7.00am that is:nya:)
Frantic spannering and lockwiring ( some need a lesson on that too) and the "look of dispair from those who have to go back-fix it- rejoin the queue.

How it should be:2thumbsup

[RobGassit]

SCRUTINEERING............... did i miss something (only had 2 glasses of merlot)
Thought that was a thing of the past (very 90,s)
All bikes these days are maintained to a standard beyond good.......... and racers are the most honest bunch on the planet.......... aren,t they:weep:
I remember the good ol days of a long line of bikes into the "scrutineering shed" (at least Levels still has the shed) at 7.00am (most younger racers wont know about this.........7.00am that is:nya:)
Frantic spannering and lockwiring ( some need a lesson on that too) and the "look of dispair from those who have to go back-fix it- rejoin the queue.

How it should be:2thumbsup

In the old days,hehe, they used to find the odd loose axle nut or damaged tyre. Now days they just notice the bike is the colour blue and put a pretty red sticker on it. before it sails off down the main straight and cartwheels into the trees.

[White trash]

AMCC still scrutineer all competitors machines. And do a pretty good job of it too I might add.

[Billy]

AMCC still scrutineer all competitors machines. And do a pretty good job of it too I might add.

Yip,Agreed,Dont see how the rest of the clubs claim they dont have time

[SWERVE]

AMCC still scrutineer all competitors machines. And do a pretty good job of it too I might add.
+1 too them:2thumbsup
This disclaimer thing that most use is a "crock of shite" typical "she,ll be al right" YEAH till it all goes seriously wrong...... but im aware the whole duty of care thing was raised at AGM.
Some of us have our own duty of care to ourselves and our riders......... but some .... i cant even begin!!!!!!!!!
With no scrutineering people turn up 5 mins before briefing (if they even make briefing) another of my "bones of contention" and unload and on track 1/2 hr later. They aren,t even fully awake let alone the state of the machines.
But how can an example be set when one of the worst offenders for dis-organisation/lateness is the man at the TOP...........
Probebly why same reason why some people get questions answered......... rest get sarcasam and re-buff.......... not the right person asking the question i guess. :weep:

[LMFAO]

Scrutineering is ridiculous. AMCC dont get started till lunch cause of it. They check your wheels are done up then I go change the tyres on the bike before its riden. Should i get it re checked? I wouldnt let the bike go out unsafe. Just do spot checks.

[Kiwi Graham]

Scrutineering is ridiculous. AMCC dont get started till lunch cause of it. They check your wheels are done up then I go change the tyres on the bike before its riden. Should i get it re checked? I wouldnt let the bike go out unsafe. Just do spot checks.

What a load of rubbish!

When was the last time you entered an AMCC event?

If you think all that is checked is a wheel nut then its about time you sat on the other side of the fence. 16th October be there (HD) with a pair of gloves and be prepared for what you may see. You will be surprised at what some are happy to pull up next to you on the grid with a big grin on their face.

[Grumph]

Gone a bit off topic here but Oysterman may chip in...
Scrutineering is a personal worry of mine. years ago we realised that on day one of a Nat meeting is not the right time to scrut. As bikes get to dummy grid is really the only safe time. The yanks used to do this - don't know if they still do. easy enough to have two ramps going side by side and call bikes up early enough to do it.
But since those days tyre warmers have come in.....and the moans if organisers hold people while tyres cool have to be heard to be believed.

There's no easy answer - those clubs which use the declaration scheme really should "audit" more bikes - but manpower is always a problem.....

BTW - I think I'm probably the only scrutineer in the world to have rejected a Britten......

[Kickaha]

+1 too them:2thumbsup
This disclaimer thing that most use is a "crock of shite" typical "she,ll be al right" YEAH till it all goes seriously wrong...... but im aware the whole duty of care thing was raised at AGM.
Some of us have our own duty of care to ourselves and our riders......... but some .... i cant even begin!!!!!!!!!

When you sign that disclaimer you are stating your bike and gear comply with all the relevant regulations

If it is found you aren't then there should be a penalty applied

[White trash]

Yip,Agreed,Dont see how the rest of the clubs claim they dont have time


+1 too them:2thumbsup
This disclaimer thing that most use is a "crock of shite" typical "she,ll be al right" YEAH till it all goes seriously wrong...... but im aware the whole duty of care thing was raised at AGM.
Some of us have our own duty of care to ourselves and our riders......... but some .... i cant even begin!!!!!!!!!
With no scrutineering people turn up 5 mins before briefing (if they even make briefing) another of my "bones of contention" and unload and on track 1/2 hr later. They aren,t even fully awake let alone the state of the machines.
But how can an example be set when one of the worst offenders for dis-organisation/lateness is the man at the TOP...........
Probebly why same reason why some people get questions answered......... rest get sarcasam and re-buff.......... not the right person asking the question i guess. :weep:


Scrutineering is ridiculous. AMCC dont get started till lunch cause of it. They check your wheels are done up then I go change the tyres on the bike before its riden. Should i get it re checked? I wouldnt let the bike go out unsafe. Just do spot checks.


What a load of rubbish!

When was the last time you entered an AMCC event?

If you think all that is checked is a wheel nut then its about time you sat on the other side of the fence. 16th October be there (HD) with a pair of gloves and be prepared for what you may see. You will be surprised at what some are happy to pull up next to you on the grid with a big grin on their face.

The number of competitors doing "The walk of shame" from the scrutineering tent each event indicates that it's still a VERY worthwhile part of pre race checks. Let's say that when AMCC can run a full season, and not a single bike is sent back for non complaince, then it's time to agree that competitors are worthy of signing their own bikes meet the mark. Until then, keep checking.

[SWERVE]

When you sign that disclaimer you are stating your bike and gear comply with all the relevant regulations

If it is found you aren't then there should be a penalty applied

Thats a part solution........ better than current.
At last winter series at Levels they picked a class(s) to scrutineer each meeting.....mostly seemed to be clubmans & streetstock....again a part solution.
Even proper scrutinneering only OK,s the bike as it is presented at that time (as someone said they will then go and changes wheels etc) But a WOF only OK,s the car at time of presentaton and thereoretically for the next 6 months........ but in hindsight is void once you leave the station.
The only genuine advantage of people knowing their bikes with be thoroughly checked is that it will eventually become thier "mindset" when maintaining and make correct preperation the norm. (or at least thats the theory)
But going back to the ol days again.... scrutineers were properly trained people who knew right from wrong - could quote the rule book - and were capable of doing the stripdown in event of a protest.
Where did it all go wrong:(
Sorry this is off topic......... maybe a new thread for this.

[Billy]

The number of competitors doing "The walk of shame" from the scrutineering tent each event indicates that it's still a VERY worthwhile part of pre race checks. Let's say that when AMCC can run a full season, and not a single bike is sent back for non complaince, then it's time to agree that competitors are worthy of signing their own bikes meet the mark. Until then, keep checking.

Absolutely on the money Jimmy!!


What a load of rubbish!

When was the last time you entered an AMCC event?

If you think all that is checked is a wheel nut then its about time you sat on the other side of the fence. 16th October be there (HD) with a pair of gloves and be prepared for what you may see. You will be surprised at what some are happy to pull up next to you on the grid with a big grin on their face.

Yip,They certainly checked more than the wheel nut on my bike,Gave it a thorough check over,As it should be.

I definitely dont see any reason why they cant scrutineer at national meetings !!!

[Kickaha]

MCC used to have Friday scrutineering before nationals which was bloody good, I member thinking what a fucking pain it was doing it Saturday morning at Manfield

Although the first few times I went to Manfield (about 2000-2001)they didn't do any

[RobGassit]

Jeez! It just occurred to me that nobody is checking Sidecars for oil leaks anymore. :innocent:

[Kickaha]

Jeez! It just occurred to me that nobody is checking Sidecars for oil leaks anymore. :innocent:

Probably because they don't drop as much oil as the other classes :finger:

[RobGassit]

Probably because they don't drop as much oil as the other classes :finger:
Is that coz they don't turn up to meetings anymore? When are you guy's coming back from your big sulk? I really miss watching you maniacs. Oh,, and I find your finger highly offensive by the way. Does your Mum know what a dirty little herbert you are?

[Kickaha]

Is that coz they don't turn up to meetings anymore? When are you guy's coming back from your big sulk? I really miss watching you maniacs. Oh,, and I find your finger highly offensive by the way. Does your Mum know what a dirty little herbert you are?

Nah it's cause the softcock solo riding poofters blames us even if the stinky solos dump oil

I wasn't ever one of the sulky ones, sorry about the finger have one of these instead
:shake:

[RobGassit]

Nah it's cause the softcock solo riding poofters blames us even if the stinky solos dump oil

I wasn't ever one of the sulky ones, sorry about the finger have one of these instead
:shake:

Just what I expected from a Spagcock!

[SWERVE]

Just what I expected from a Spagcock!

Do YOU know what a spagcock is?:lol:
BEARS Sound of Thunder scrutinneer on the friday and pick up "the straglers" on sat morn early.
Nats should have fri scutineering...... if your racing nats and cant get at least get your bike there on friday....... then maybe a change of hobby:calm:

[Kickaha]

if your racing nats and cant get at least get your bike there on friday....... then maybe a change of hobby:calm:

In the case of Manfield I think it has been that no one from the club could be there, same as we couldn't do sign in until the Saturday

Might not be a problem this year if they don't find someone to run the meeting anyway

Anyway this is meant to be about the Hyosung 250 cup, not a scrutineering thread

[craignzcd]

enjoyed watching quite a few of the 250 hyosungs ripping around hampton downs today......must have been at least 8-10 bikes out there in the different groups.....took a few pics of them aswell...cheers

[craignzcd]

enjoyed watching quite a few of the 250 hyosungs ripping around hampton downs today......must have been at least 8-10 bikes out there in the different groups.....took a few pics of them aswell...cheers

[jellywrestler]

Anyone out there remember the GS550 Katana series years back?
completely off topic I know but...

[rachprice]

Oh I may return from my illustrious first season racing :whistle: starting from round 2 though (after my big ass exams in November)
Man I can't wait to race again, I'm a little lost not doing it this year :(

[slowpoke]

Nats should have fri scutineering...... if your racing nats and cant get at least get your bike there on friday....... then maybe a change of hobby:calm:

Hmmm, dunno 'bout that. I can vividly remember Ray Clee turning up late to Rd 1 of NZSBK at Ruapuna a coupla years ago. He looked like death warmed up after an all hours drive. Missed first practice on Saturday, qualified 5th I think, and came through to finish 3rd in the Grand Prix.

I kinda think we've got a struggling road racing scene and anything that makes it easier for folks to get/stay on the grid is a good thing. Working a Friday could make all the difference.

Reading some of the posts on here it's like some people are deadset on finding something wrong, some reason not to do it. Just sort a bike, get out there and have a crack. Whether a bike has got a sidestand bracket, or motogp reject tyres has got bugger all to do with how much fun you'll have, and isn't that what it's all about? Go in looking for a good time and you'll find it, likewise go in looking for something wrong and you'll find that to, so choose your attitude and choose your result.

[prettybillie]

enjoyed watching quite a few of the 250 hyosungs ripping around hampton downs today......must have been at least 8-10 bikes out there in the different groups.....took a few pics of them aswell...cheers

13 of us 2 fiddies all together! Was an awesome turnout!!!!!!

[Shaun]

Hmmm, dunno 'bout that. I can vividly remember Ray Clee turning up late to Rd 1 of NZSBK at Ruapuna a coupla years ago. He looked like death warmed up after an all hours drive. Missed first practice on Saturday, qualified 5th I think, and came through to finish 3rd in the Grand Prix.

I kinda think we've got a struggling road racing scene and anything that makes it easier for folks to get/stay on the grid is a good thing. Working a Friday could make all the difference.

Reading some of the posts on here it's like some people are deadset on finding something wrong, some reason not to do it. Just sort a bike, get out there and have a crack. Whether a bike has got a sidestand bracket, or motogp reject tyres has got bugger all to do with how much fun you'll have, and isn't that what it's all about? Go in looking for a good time and you'll find it, likewise go in looking for something wrong and you'll find that to, so choose your attitude and choose your result.



I Like what you are saying and agree 100% Keep it up mate, Power of POSITIVE thinking

[craignzcd]

love to get a hyosung someday soon...sat my BHS and just got theory to go....in the meantime will just take pics of them as you lot race...cheers

[TOTO]

Ok, to bring this back to life :)

I've sourced me a bike and have signed up. #77 is taken.

Like Neil Armstrong said - "One small step with a Hyosung, one giant leap for TOTO racing" :killingme

[RobGassit]

I hope the Hyosung Cup has more entries than this dying thread.:facepalm:

[TOTO]

I hope the Hyosung Cup has more entries than this dying thread.:facepalm:

i think its close to 30 already. 35 being the maximum

[LankyBastard]

Yep numbers are looking healthy, I just signed up today, gonna be good fun! So now out hunting for a suitable bike.......:yes:

[TOTO]

I hope the Hyosung Cup has more entries than this dying thread.:facepalm:

yea, the hyosung cup is going better than ever. Track day at Hamptons yesterday there was 12 hyosung riders out of about 45-50 people on the day. We all had loads of fun :)


Yep numbers are looking healthy, I just signed up today, gonna be good fun! So now out hunting for a suitable bike.......:yes:

Thats wicked Ash, it will be great to go ride with you on track. Bring it on :)

[jellywrestler]

Yep numbers are looking healthy, I just signed up today, gonna be good fun! So now out hunting for a suitable bike.......:yes:

get hold of billy on here...

[Kiwi Graham]

http://www.mnz.co.nz/Proposed_Rule_Changes.aspx#road

Appendix 1 rule 7N specifically

[TOTO]

cool, so no jets changing allowed for carb models. love it :)

[SWERVE]

cool, so no jets changing allowed for carb models. love it :)
No..... the rule already states you can alter jetting on carb models....... the Fi bit is an add on to accomodate newer models.
Which is great as our new 2011 ninja has just arrived in the showroom.:Punk:

[imdying]

MicroSquirt inside the standard ECUs shell, job done.

[Kiwi Graham]

cool, so no jets changing allowed for carb models. love it :)


No..... the rule already states you can alter jetting on carb models....... the Fi bit is an add on to accomodate newer models.
Which is great as our new 2011 ninja has just arrived in the showroom.:Punk:

It means (if adopted) that those of you running power commanders for the Hyosung 250 Cup series can run the same bike in the Nationals..............Provided of course the rest of the bike meets the regs.

Its an example of, the question being asked and the correct channels being followed and due process being applied.
Its good to see MNZ listening to the people in the sport and acting.

[oyster]

To the Road Race commission chairman, Peter Ramage
Hi Peter


Pro Lite Power Commanders. Just what problem is being solved here? Do they blow up if they don't get one? Run dangerously?
Of course not. Is it purely a sales exercise to make sure people buy the latest brand new fuel injected ones? Who is pushing for this change? Is it the riders or the people selling the bikes? Seth Devereux put a slip on on his Kawasaki and didn't change any carb settings. The bike won an NZ title, it runs perfectly. Ditto my son's Pro Twin SV650 fuel injected.
What does the dyno show for a correctly jetted carb model Kawa / Hyosung versus the fuel injected versions? Are the fuel injected significantly down on power, thus requiring this rule to balance them competitively?
Summarizing, where is the evidence they need a Power Commander. As I see it all it does is push the cost up and renders the earlier (carb) models uncompetitive. The winners are the people selling new bikes, Power Commanders and dyno services, the losers the MNZ members looking for an economic entry level class


When were these proposed rule changes posted? It looks to me there is only 3 weeks for submissions, MNZ considerations, new rules and riders to make their decisions / prepare their bikes. That's absurdly too short a time frame.

Peter Jones MNZ lic no 1063

[budda]

To the Road Race commission chairman, Peter Ramage
Hi Peter


Pro Lite Power Commanders. Just what problem is being solved here? Do they blow up if they don't get one? Run dangerously?
Of course not. Is it purely a sales exercise to make sure people buy the latest brand new fuel injected ones? Who is pushing for this change? Is it the riders or the people selling the bikes? Seth Devereux put a slip on on his Kawasaki and didn't change any carb settings. The bike won an NZ title, it runs perfectly. Ditto my son's Pro Twin SV650 fuel injected.
What does the dyno show for a correctly jetted carb model Kawa / Hyosung versus the fuel injected versions? Are the fuel injected significantly down on power, thus requiring this rule to balance them competitively?
Summarizing, where is the evidence they need a Power Commander. As I see it all it does is push the cost up and renders the earlier (carb) models uncompetitive. The winners are the people selling new bikes, Power Commanders and dyno services, the losers the MNZ members looking for an economic entry level class


When were these proposed rule changes posted? It looks to me there is only 3 weeks for submissions, MNZ considerations, new rules and riders to make their decisions / prepare their bikes. That's absurdly too short a time frame.

Peter Jones MNZ lic no 1063

Pete - you've been around long enough to know the meaning of the word "MAY", surely ???????? Power Commanders are, in effect, an electronic jet . How is it fair to allow Carb'd models to fine tune their mixture, and not allow the same ability to pilots of injected models. To effectively restrict ProLite Competitors to old technology by not updating the rules to allow / encourage use of later model bikes is sheer folly, and would result in a sinking lid policy which would sign the death warrant of quite possibly the best new class in years

It has already been shown that a well set-up older model bike remains competitive with a well set-up late model machine, thus putting the emphasis on the RIDER, where it should be in this class ! We were both involved in the birthing process for this vital class Pete, lets agree that it holds great potential for the future of a Sport we BOTH hold dear, and support it accordingly, eh ?

Cheers
Buddha

[racefactory]

This class sounds good. No wallet racers or mod junkies allowed!

It will instead come down to pure balls and the result will be insane cornering and braking from all the guys riding the wheels off of the virtually identical bikes. People will be standing the bikes on their noses on the brakes and destroying their fairings on the corners- bring it on....

I don't see the problem with power commander on FI models if jetting is allowed on carb models, result should be exactly the same.

[oyster]

Buddha
Answer the question.
What power does a well jetted carb model make versus a fuel injected model without Power Commander?
Where was this racing (you refer to) where the old bikes showed competitiveness with the fuel injected ones? The only competitive racing I saw was the nats at Levels where the red fuel injected Hyosung was blindingly faster in a straight line that the latest Kawasaki and the older Hyosungs (both carb models) The red Hyosung had a power commander fitted (contravening the the rules) so I guess we didn't really find out if they were on an equal par if it were legal.
The level playing feild you ascribe to means equal competitiveness of the bikes.
If people are forced to buy the latest model and then spend a fortune on tuning and the devices to be competitive you are taking it the wrong direction for the members, the right direction for the new bike sellers.

I repeat: What's the RWHP for the older carb models versus the new fuel injected with Power Commander. I saw the difference on the track, now lets hear it from the dyno.

[racefactory]

I'd also like to see the difference in figures!

But I doubt there's any difference providing cams, head gasket and valves are the same for the tested bikes?

[RobGassit]

Buddha
Answer the question.
What power does a well jetted carb model make versus a fuel injected model without Power Commander?
Where was this racing (you refer to) where the old bikes showed competitiveness with the fuel injected ones? The only competitive racing I saw was the nats at Levels where the red fuel injected Hyosung was blindingly faster in a straight line that the latest Kawasaki and the older Hyosungs (both carb models) The red Hyosung had a power commander fitted (contravening the the rules) so I guess we didn't really find out if they were on an equal par if it were legal.
The level playing feild you ascribe to means equal competitiveness of the bikes.
If people are forced to buy the latest model and then spend a fortune on tuning and the devices to be competitive you are taking it the wrong direction for the members, the right direction for the new bike sellers.

I repeat: What's the RWHP for the older carb models versus the new fuel injected with Power Commander. I saw the difference on the track, now lets hear it from the dyno.

Not just a Power Commander.:shit:244440

[Kiwi Graham]

Buddha
Answer the question.
What power does a well jetted carb model make versus a fuel injected model without Power Commander?
Where was this racing (you refer to) where the old bikes showed competitiveness with the fuel injected ones? The only competitive racing I saw was the nats at Levels where the red fuel injected Hyosung was blindingly faster in a straight line that the latest Kawasaki and the older Hyosungs (both carb models) The red Hyosung had a power commander fitted (contravening the the rules) so I guess we didn't really find out if they were on an equal par if it were legal.
The level playing feild you ascribe to means equal competitiveness of the bikes.
If people are forced to buy the latest model and then spend a fortune on tuning and the devices to be competitive you are taking it the wrong direction for the members, the right direction for the new bike sellers.

I repeat: What's the RWHP for the older carb models versus the new fuel injected with Power Commander. I saw the difference on the track, now lets hear it from the dyno.

Generally speaking a newer model bike has an advantage over the model it replaces, that advantage can indeed be more power, lighter weight (similar advantage). Are you saying they should restrict the class to certain year models?? a sort of post ... post classic Hyosung class??

Got to move with the times bro and regulate accordingly.

[oyster]

It's MNZ saying they want the level playing field. And I'm with them on that. I'm just asking for the evidence it wasn't level before, and will be now after the rule change.
OK with that cuzy (you're not my bro)

[RobGassit]

Anyone know where I can see a list of entries for the Hyosung Cup?

[TOTO]

Anyone know where I can see a list of entries for the Hyosung Cup?

Hyosung New Zealand - 72 Barrys Point Road, Takapuna, Auckland.

[RobGassit]

BUMPIN THIS THREAD to find out some more gossip on who's entered who and who hasn't paid.If there's another thread for this exciting series starting in a few weeks I can't find it. How about promoting this new class!:yes:

[sharky]

BUMPIN THIS THREAD to find out some more gossip on who's entered who and who hasn't paid.If there's another thread for this exciting series starting in a few weeks I can't find it. How about promoting this new class!:yes:

29 confirmed entries from what I hear.

[Kiwi Graham]

29 confirmed entries from what I hear.

Err......

There may be 29 entred for the championship but they aint entred for the 'race' yet!!!

Prior to opening the mail tonight and checking the fax machine there is only 18 entries for all classes for the first round!!

[RobGassit]

Err......

There may be 29 entred for the championship but they aint entred for the 'race' yet!!!

Prior to opening the mail tonight and checking the fax machine there is only 18 entries for all classes for the first round!!

Jeez! Have entries closed yet?

[sharky]

Err......

There may be 29 entred for the championship but they aint entred for the 'race' yet!!!

Prior to opening the mail tonight and checking the fax machine there is only 18 entries for all classes for the first round!!

Well I am one of the 18. I'm not in the Hyo cup though...

[Kiwi Graham]

Jeez! Have entries closed yet?

Nope, you've got until Saturday.

[TOTO]

yea I'm one of the late ones lol. Been too busy working on the bike and forgot about the race entry lol. Will fax my membership renewal for AMCC and race entry tomorrow :)


Bring It on :woohoo:

[montsta56]

im in so now should be at least 19. Bring it on Sharky:first:

[sharky]

im in so now should be at least 19. Bring it on Sharky:first:

I might have entered, but I don't have a bike that goes! (making my excuses early - haha) Had a few issues at the ART day - should be sorted before 16th - I hope.

[wanpo]

I just registered for the first round yesterday I think, so another one of the laties.

[RobGassit]

Can anyone advise where we might find the results for the first round?

[oyster]

Good to see MNZ abandoned the idea of allowing Power Commanders in Prolite
I guess they never found any evidence they were actually needed.

[Billy]

Good to see MNZ abandoned the idea of allowing Power Commanders in Prolite
I guess they never found any evidence they were actually needed.

No,Thats incorrect,The use of power commanders is now allowed,But no auto tunes.

This rule was approved and effective 1st of September,However it appears the girls in the office have relisted the old rules by mistake,This will be rectified asap.

[Crash 42]

that no auto tunes rule needs to be made clear to competitors, people dont seem to understand

[oyster]

The rules of the moment are those that are in print /live on the website. Full stop. How can you run a sport when 6 weeks after a rule change the members still can't access them? Why blame it on "the girls in the office" Are the board members and commission so incompetent that they can't notice the error and correct this in 6 weeks? A few years ago MNZ managed to change Streetstock rules 21 times in 6 months
which shows they can act in hurry if need be.

[Billy]

that no auto tunes rule needs to be made clear to competitors, people dont seem to understand

Yes and I asked for that too be made clear for that reason,Hopefully when the rules are posted,It will be.

There are those who have had it explained too them several times that just dont want to hear it of course,Likewise the sidestand bracket rule.These people WILL be found out and dealt with in due course.

[Billy]

The rules of the moment are those that are in print /live on the website. Full stop. How can you run a sport when 6 weeks after a rule change the members still can't access them? Why blame it on "the girls in the office" Are the board members and commission so incompetent that they can't notice the error and correct this in 6 weeks? A few years ago MNZ managed to change Streetstock rules 21 times in 6 months
which shows they can act in hurry if need be.

Yes,Couldnt agree more and as a new commission member I will make it part of my mission to see that some of those things that are being overlooked at the moment cease.

[roogazza]

It'd be great to see this series turn into some of the past 250 Prod racing. A few oldies will remember this. John Boote what a talent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vj0Hb0oMSM

[oyster]

The current equivalent of 250 Proddy is Pro Twin. Similar speeds, power to weight ratios and lap times. Pro Twin is a class with huge potential as a stepping stone from Streetstock /Prolite through to 600's. (eg Johnny Small, Karl Morgan, James Hoogie) Or for many who have a bit more (road)experience, first timer racing on Pro twin then 600's (Sam Love)
With the low speeds(slower than a bucket) Pro Lite 250 will not be the "new 250 proddy"

PROMOTE PRO TWIN

[budda]

The current equivalent of 250 Proddy is Pro Twin. Similar speeds, power to weight ratios and lap times. Pro Twin is a class with huge potential as a stepping stone from Streetstock /Prolite through to 600's. (eg Johnny Small, Karl Morgan, James Hoogie) Or for many who have a bit more (road)experience, first timer racing on Pro twin then 600's (Sam Love)
With the low speeds(slower than a bucket) Pro Lite 250 will not be the "new 250 proddy"

PROMOTE PRO TWIN

Pete - you are missing the point again. Prolite, just like StreetStock, is about the RACING, NOT the Speed ( or lack of )

[Billy]

It has been brought to my attention,There were a number of Hyosung 250s running at Hampton Downs on Sunday that had the sidestand brackets either removed or shortened,Also that some are using auto tunes and have tapped into the header pipes to allow individual mapping.

Be warned !These machines are illegal for ANY Prolite 250 race including Hyosung cup races,These machines are only eligible to run in Superlite and it WILL be policed.

Those who have made these MODIFICATIONS need to take steps to have them reversed!!

[roogazza]

The current equivalent of 250 Proddy is Pro Twin. Similar speeds, power to weight ratios and lap times. Pro Twin is a class with huge potential as a stepping stone from Streetstock /Prolite through to 600's. (eg Johnny Small, Karl Morgan, James Hoogie) Or for many who have a bit more (road)experience, first timer racing on Pro twin then 600's (Sam Love)
With the low speeds(slower than a bucket) Pro Lite 250 will not be the "new 250 proddy"


I must admit to not following nz racing and am very much out of touch.But any class that can get thirty bikes on a grid would be good. No?
The last few times I have checked in, Pro Twin seemed to be the poor cousin of F3 and numbers were sadly lacking.

[jellywrestler]

It'd be great to see this series turn into some of the past 250 Prod racing. A few oldies will remember this. John Boote what a talent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vj0Hb0oMSM
This was the race where they protested on the grid for more practice.
bit touchy that day as i'm pretty sure it was live telly too.
the 250 boys never got out for their race till many hours after their last practice and wanted at least two or three sighting laps etc to get the feel again...

[gixerracer]

The current equivalent of 250 Proddy is Pro Twin. Similar speeds, power to weight ratios and lap times. Pro Twin is a class with huge potential as a stepping stone from Streetstock /Prolite through to 600's. (eg Johnny Small, Karl Morgan, James Hoogie) Or for many who have a bit more (road)experience, first timer racing on Pro twin then 600's (Sam Love)
With the low speeds(slower than a bucket) Pro Lite 250 will not be the "new 250 proddy"

PROMOTE PRO TWIN

They should ditch F3 with most bikes now being able to race in post classics and just make Pro Twin the main class:innocent:

[oyster]

I couldn't agree more Craig. I remember watching a Nationals race where only one F3bike/rider was quicker than a group of hard charging Pro Twins. The Hyosung Cup will suceed because of promotion. If Pro Twin had the same "push" and it's own race it has the same chance.

[oyster]

Wrong Buddha. Streetstock is not about racing. It's primarily about a platform for safe, economic and successfull riding development of youth and newcomer riders.
And it works.
I've just hosted a NI youngster for 4 events over the school hols. He rode 3 bikes and did probably 800km, probably more than he'd do in the NI in a full season. We never once talked about racing. Did I get this horribly wrong?

[oyster]

Billy. Good to see you'll tidy up the cheating in Pro Lite. At the opening national round last year anyone, including the MNZ commissioners and board members, could see lowered handlebars, cut off side stand brackets, a power commander and more.
Crack down on it now and it'll be a good class, ignore it and it'll be a helluva mess.

[SWERVE]

Wrong Buddha. Streetstock is not about racing. It's primarily about a platform for safe, economic and successfull riding development of youth and newcomer riders.
And it works.
I've just hosted a NI youngster for 4 events over the school hols. He rode 3 bikes and did probably 800km, probably more than he'd do in the NI in a full season. We never once talked about racing. Did I get this horribly wrong?

Quite true Pete.
But it is also a class which allows racing on the same machinary as a natural progression (apart from being the most competitive class also)

Agree totally with Pro Twin comment. It is the perfect step up from streetstock/prolite for those who dont want to jump straight to a 600 or are a bit large for a 125 (which is another route)
Also think F3 is a bit long in the tooth now.......... and marketed correctly Prolite - Protwin could work hand in hand.

my 2 cents:mellow:

[oyster]

Yes and yes Swerve.
Together we're up to 4c

[Damien_Toman]

http://flic.kr/s/aHsjwpoXMn

Damien

[steveyb]

Great shots Damien.

Great to see so many entries. All ages, shapes and sizes. Choice.

So who won?

I'm going for #4, good rider that kid.

[jellywrestler]

Wrong Buddha. Streetstock is not about racing. It's primarily about a platform for safe, economic and successfull riding development of youth and newcomer riders.
And it works.
I've just hosted a NI youngster for 4 events over the school hols. He rode 3 bikes and did probably 800km, probably more than he'd do in the NI in a full season. We never once talked about racing. Did I get this horribly wrong?
Was this Tyler Lincoln? I've read his reports on Kiwibiker and he certainaly knows that he's racing and beating someone by the smallest of margins, so what were you talking to him about, Home and Away or the Fresh Prince of Belair?

[Billy]

Was this Tyler Lincoln? I've read his reports on Kiwibiker and he certainaly knows that he's racing and beating someone by the smallest of margins, so what were you talking to him about, Home and Away or the Fresh Prince of Belair?

I understand your sentiment Spyda,But I arranged for Tyler to head south for the one on one coaching as there is very limited and diluted competition for him in the North Island.

Pete is VERY experienced in coaching and advising these younger competitors and Im positive young Tyler has learned much over the 5 days of training he has with him

[Shorty_925]

I arranged for Tyler to head south for the one on one coaching as there is very limited and diluted competition for him in the North Island.


When have you been to Roys Hill for a Bucket meeting?

[Billy]

When have you been to Roys Hill for a Bucket meeting?

Never have and probably never will,But I'm sure you will only have to talk to Tyler himself to know the system at MCC is far more advanced and the riders are much faster down there and plenty more of them.

I wasnt talking about bucket racing,Tylers at the next step now!

[steveyb]

#4 = Simon Volmer

[Yow Ling]

I wasnt talking about bucket racing,Tylers at the next step now!

Maybe not , but he still did about 200km on a bucket in one day ! Cant hurt

[Billy]

Maybe not , but he still did about 200km on a bucket in one day ! Cant hurt

Absolutely not !

[Shorty_925]

Never have and probably never will,But I'm sure you will only have to talk to Tyler himself to know the system at MCC is far more advanced and the riders are much faster down there and plenty more of them.

I wasnt talking about bucket racing,Tylers at the next step now!

Yet to catch up with the myth himself from his adventures to another island, though Tyler hasnt cracked it around Roys Hill yet, when everyone has there axle nuts done up correctly and he beats them he'll have done it, so being advanced is only ones word to anothers word. As for 'the next step now'...he isnt the tallest so it cant be all that hard... :innocent:

[Billy]

Yet to catch up with the myth himself from his adventures to another island, though Tyler hasnt cracked it around Roys Hill yet, when everyone has there axle nuts done up correctly and he beats them he'll have done it, so being advanced is only ones word to anothers word. As for 'the next step now'...he isnt the tallest so it cant be all that hard... :innocent:

LOL,You know what I meant and no,Your right he hasnt cracked it yet and I'm sure hes got a better picture of where he needs to be now and a better idea of how hes going to get there,Special thanks to Peter Jones for taking the time to help him.

[oyster]

I won't go into specific matters of Tyler and and his time with me. I respect his right to privacy.
The other is I have developed theories of coaching for young ones in this sport over many years and I regret to say they are not universally understood by a large number of shallow minded people in our sport, including our so called leadership.
As for my theories? Well here's clue.
I watched a program on the Wells family from Wanaka who have 3 boys acheiving at a very high level on the world stage in snowboarding. Asked for the punchline of their coaching thinking and getting such good results: "We only talk about and work on improvement. A better understanding. Skill development. How we can do it better. So whether we get 3rd, 13th or 30th is of secondary importance. But I guess, as you see, the results come by themselves."

Tyler, like many others I've worked with will become a very good rider if he wants too. But the path there is long and studied. No exception.

[Billy]

Part of my position as a member of the roadrace commission entails keeping a good handle on the rules and ensuring they are adhered to,

Whilst checking a few things this morning I noticed that the 2010/2011 GT250R is not a homologated model,Infact no model GT250R is homologated only the GT250 which is the comet model is listed,Meaning that ALL the GT250R Hyosungs racing last weekend at Hampton Downs were illegal.I have advised the chairman of this and he will talk to the people responsible and try and have this resolved.

No action is planned at this stage,However I would advise all competitors planning on attending round 2 to contact the Hyosung distributors and ensure they submit the relevant paperwork to avoid this becoming a problem.

[wayne]

i wonder under the rules if no one protested with 30 mins after last race everyone who raced were happy with posted results

[RobGassit]

Part of my position as a member of the roadrace commission entails keeping a good handle on the rules and ensuring they are adhered to,

Whilst checking a few things this morning I noticed that the 2010/2011 GT250R is not a homologated model,Infact no model GT250R is homologated only the GT250 which is the comet model is listed,Meaning that ALL the GT250R Hyosungs racing last weekend at Hampton Downs were illegal.I have advised the chairman of this and he will talk to the people responsible and try and have this resolved.

No action is planned at this stage,However I would advise all competitors planning on attending round 2 to contact the Hyosung distributors and ensure they submit the relevant paperwork to avoid this becoming a problem.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :shutup::shutup::shutup::shutup::shutup::shutup::s hutup::shutup::shutup::shutup::shit::shit::shit::s hit::shit::shit::shit::shit::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Billy]

i wonder under the rules if no one protested with 30 mins after last race everyone who raced were happy with posted results

Its just a heads up for anybody that frequents this site and competes on a Hyosung 250,So they have a chance to do something about it.

[Kiwi Graham]

Part of my position as a member of the roadrace commission entails keeping a good handle on the rules and ensuring they are adhered to,

Whilst checking a few things this morning I noticed that the 2010/2011 GT250R is not a homologated model,Infact no model GT250R is homologated only the GT250 which is the comet model is listed,Meaning that ALL the GT250R Hyosungs racing last weekend at Hampton Downs were illegal.I have advised the chairman of this and he will talk to the people responsible and try and have this resolved.

No action is planned at this stage,However I would advise all competitors planning on attending round 2 to contact the Hyosung distributors and ensure they submit the relevant paperwork to avoid this becoming a problem.

Hey Billy,

They would only be illegal (If so deemed) if they were competing in a national round of the NZ Champs.
The Hyosung cup is a club level championship, promoted and funded by Hyosung NZ and supported and hosted by AMCC.

Now if they were to enter the pro light series without the homologation approved you could be right mate, but isn't it just a case of making the application etc?
Now cracking down on unapproved mods or removal of material is another matter and clearly needs someone on the scrutineering line that knows what he/she is looking at.

[malcy25]

Part of my position as a member of the roadrace commission entails keeping a good handle on the rules and ensuring they are adhered to,

Whilst checking a few things this morning I noticed that the 2010/2011 GT250R is no

odfft a homologated model,Infact no model GT250R is homologated only the GT250 which is the comet model is listed,Meaning that ALL the GT250R Hyosungs racing last weekend at Hampton Downs were illegal.I have advised the chairman of this and he will talk to the people responsible and try and have this resolved.

No action is planned at this stage,However I would advise all competitors planning on attending round 2 to contact the Hyosung distributors and ensure they submit the relevant paperwork to avoid this becoming a problem.

Billy off the Hyosung topic, seems many bikes are missing....scanning that list, if you want to race any BMW, any Ducati which is 999 / 1098/1198, V4 Aprilia, KTM LC8 or a Yamaha 2009 or newer is in the same boat.

[Billy]

Hey Billy,

They would only be illegal (If so deemed) if they were competing in a national round of the NZ Champs.
The Hyosung cup is a club level championship, promoted and funded by Hyosung NZ and supported and hosted by AMCC.

Now if they were to enter the pro light series without the homologation approved you could be right mate, but isn't it just a case of making the application etc?
Now cracking down on unapproved mods or removal of material is another matter and clearly needs someone on the scrutineering line that knows what he/she is looking at.

Err WRONG!

The Hyosung cup has been promoted as "As per MNZ rulebook" and indeed if you go to the Hyosung NZ website/racing,It even has a link to the Prolite rules on the MNZ website

Any race class run at a meeting where the club is affiliated to MNZ and the supp regs dont alter the original MNZ rules(and they cannot!) are as per the MNZ rulebook,There is no such thing as "just club racing so the rules dont apply",Therefore ANY Prolite 250 race run in NZ is AS PER THE MNZ RULEBOOK.

[Billy]

Billy off the Hyosung topic, seems many bikes are missing....scanning that list, if you want to race any BMW, any Ducati which is 999 / 1098/1198, V4 Aprilia, KTM LC8 or a Yamaha 2009 or newer is in the same boat.

Yes,Thats correct and we are working to rectify that as we speak.

[grantnz]

Yet to catch up with the myth himself from his adventures to another island, though Tyler hasnt cracked it around Roys Hill yet, when everyone has there axle nuts done up correctly and he beats them he'll have done it, so being advanced is only ones word to anothers word. As for 'the next step now'...he isnt the tallest so it cant be all that hard... :innocent:


Thought we had forgotten about that, my nuts have been tightened and feeling much better now...:facepalm: