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racefactory
6th June 2011, 17:13
Do you get a rough idea of where things are heading yet?
So what do you do? Encourage your kids to go uni and have them burdened with a mortgage before they even start saving for a house with no job prospects to speak of, or get them 'ahead of the game' and 'kickstart their career' in the fastest growing segment of the economy at maccers? As the perpetually cancerous growth of the big M spreads and people count down the ticking time bomb of redundancy, that decision is absolutely no joke now. A prosperous career with the golden arches awaits the more fortunate of our children- on the job training, food, job security. Who could wish for anything more?
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Blackbird
6th June 2011, 17:46
Scary stuff! Our 3 kids all went through uni, are debt-free and have decent jobs. It was their individual decisions to go to uni and we supported that. It doesn't make them redundancy proof but their time there did teach them to think on their feet and hopefully, that's the thing which will keep the wolf from the door in tough times.
You don't need to have gone to uni to have a good life, but you do need a good attitude, a bit of drive and the ability to think on your feet. I hate politics but I honestly think that the Labour Party, certainly in Helen's day; put too much weight on the welfare state as a safety net and the dumbing down of school values also ignored the realities of working life.
racefactory
6th June 2011, 17:47
Scary stuff! Our 3 kids all went through uni, are debt-free and have decent jobs. It was their individual decisions to go to uni and we supported that. It doesn't make them redundancy proof but their time there did teach them to think on their feet and hopefully, that's the thing which will keep the wolf from the door in tough times.
Bloody good on them.
I have 3 kids, one with a degree and a student loan. She is working now and really looking forward to being debt free.
My son is working, earning good money. He did a short (6 month) course at the end of school and has been earning ever since.
Youngest left school and worked in a restaurant/cafe/chemist or where ever she could to earn some coin. She is currently working partime in a cafe and doing a Diploma in Early Childhood Education.
Too many kids these days go to university and get, as I read somewhere today, an entrance degree to start work at McD's. Sad times. My eldest went to Uni because she had a dream and followed it. The other two did not want to go. All decisions I supported wholeheartedly.
Oblivion
6th June 2011, 19:03
All decisions I supported wholeheartedly.
Thats what most parents say, even if they are not happy about it on the inside. I just wish high schools would be the same. They just force University shit down you throat until you can't take anymore. That's why some Uni graduates are jobless. Because employers value experience over a fancy piece of paper.
Thats what most parents say, even if they are not happy about it on the inside.
Interesting observation, and for a large part true I think. We do have HUGE visions for our kids futures. We hope they dont repeat the mistakes we made etc.
But depending on where you are at personally, you can genuinely be delighted for your children no matter what...
Healthy comes top of the list, happy comes second, income matters not a damn!
Blackbird
6th June 2011, 19:14
Because employers value experience over a fancy piece of paper.
And a great attitude....
racefactory
6th June 2011, 19:18
And a superstar team member...
mashman
6th June 2011, 19:30
And a superstar team member...
you shoulda left the other bit in too... there's plenty of people who feel that way.
Oblivion
6th June 2011, 19:43
Interesting observation, and for a large part ture I think. We do have HUGE visions for our kids futures. We hope they dont repeat the mistakes we made etc.
But depending on where you are at personally, you can genuinely be delighted for your children no matter what...
Healthy comes top of the list, happy comes second, income matters not a damn!
Even if they do end up making the same mistake, its not like the outcome will be the same. They are not you and you are not them. When the time comes for me to start a family, as long as they are happy for where they stand in life, I won't intervene. I reckon a hard part of being a parent is learning when you should let them make their own decisions, no matter the consequence.
And is that meant to be true not ture? :shutup:
geoffm
6th June 2011, 20:21
It depends on what your kids want. I have spent many years at uni (no I never failed any exams) and it was worth it for me, but when I did my BE, fees were $130 the first year then rocketed up to $1350 the folloing year. A min wage job was around $6/hour, but a combination of a good holiday job and bursary you could get through. The main value was the MEFE I did a few years ago as an adult student, and having some skills in an exclusive area. Nowadays, I would have to look carefully at going to uni, and many uni degrees are worth zip. They also restrict you to a small field or area.
IMO, don't understanding a good trade - a good sparky or plumber can make good bucks, and can live anywhere in the country to do it- which makes for cheaper living, being closer to the outdoors, and most importantly, not being in Auckland.
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But what happens when robots start taking over McD jobs leaving these people without 'careers'? Have a read of http://www.marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm its easy to see that its going that way - as soon as a robot costs less to do the same job as a human, the decision would be made to switch over to increase profits.
From vid "The richest four hundred americans hold more wealth than the bottom 50% combined" < big part of the problem right there.
racefactory
6th June 2011, 23:44
That's right. People then go from the service industry into unemployment and once you get to the magical number where dole payments can't be made then there is insurrection and possibly a human cataclysm due to over dependence on agriculture and this STUPID MACCERS SHIT!
When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.
mashman
6th June 2011, 23:56
But what happens when robots start taking over McD jobs leaving these people without 'careers'? Have a read of http://www.marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm its easy to see that its going that way - as soon as a robot costs less to do the same job as a human, the decision would be made to switch over to increase profits.
From vid "The richest four hundred americans hold more wealth than the bottom 50% combined" < big part of the problem right there.
I wish they'd hurry along with them things :shifty:
short-circuit
7th June 2011, 07:29
Do you get a rough idea of where things are heading yet?
Yeah. What about it? These are the exact same policies being promoted by the arseholes in office here. Apparently TINA
oldrider
7th June 2011, 10:17
Stop the wars and watch the (American) unemployment figures go through the roof!
International peacekeeping is an essential American industry!
Expecting America to stop their wars would be like expecting lawyers' to actively work at preventing crime! :facepalm:
Working at MacDonald's is good honest work, it's just public perception that is crap! :yes:
The only thing below standard at Macca's is the filthy behaviour of some of their customers! (IMHO) :shifty:
What is happening now is exactly what Obama was promising when he said his presidency will fundumentally transform the US. He is the anti-capitalist president. Everything he has done has resulted with larger government and increased numbers that rely on the govt to feed/clothe/house them. His healthcare bill will kill small business, his stimulus bill has proven to be nothing but a spend-a-thon on pet projects that barely benefit anyone, his adminstration sued Arizona for wanting to uphold the federal immigration law, his administration lies about how but it bailed out freddy/fanny mae, and all the while he is out golfing and living the good life while americans are suffering, dying from tornados or their homes being swept away by the massive flooding this year.
this quote said it best:
But by sucking all the money out of the economy with wildly excessive frivolous spending, terrifying businesses with socialist power grabs like ObamaCare, and strangling economic activity with pernicious regulations, employment can be kept down to Great Depression levels, guaranteeing a constituency for socialism.
The scary reality is that the quote above is NOT frightening to some Americans. I really believe the next presidential election will be the tipping point on the direction of my country.
Brian d marge
7th June 2011, 14:21
Come annnd get em ....Come and get em .....
I have 2 styles of Gandi boots ..... if it worked for him....... passive resistance and all that .......nahh who am i kidding
Still they are here if anyone need em
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Stephen
Brian d marge
7th June 2011, 14:25
[QUOTE=racefactory;1130080645
When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.[/QUOTE]is this a seed of hope?
Jean-Jacques(3) Rousseau Discourse on Political Economy........
Stephen
jim.cox
7th June 2011, 14:58
So what do you do? Encourage your kids to go uni
Yup - and then expect (and encourage) them to immediately emmigrate :(
rustyrobot
7th June 2011, 15:50
The only thing below standard at Macca's is the filthy behaviour of some of their customers! (IMHO) :shifty:
That... and their coffee :sick: :
McDonald's set to apologise for bad coffee (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8256020/mcdonalds-set-to-apologise-for-bad-coffee)
Oscar
7th June 2011, 16:47
, and all the while he is out golfing and living the good life while americans are suffering, dying from tornados or their homes being swept away by the massive flooding this year.
What do you expect him to do?
Even the POTUS can't do anything about the weather.
What do you expect him to do?
Even the POTUS can't do anything about the weather.
if thats true, then why was GW Bush ripped apart by critics after Katrina? Your response to my post is pretty much in line with the left-wingers in the states....ignore the accusation that Obama is trying his hardest to turn the states into a socialist police state and focus on something like that.
Ender EnZed
7th June 2011, 19:09
Your response to my post is pretty much in line with the left-wingers in the states....ignore the accusation that Obama is trying his hardest to turn the states into a socialist police state
You expect a serious response to that?
Oscar
7th June 2011, 20:06
if thats true, then why was GW Bush ripped apart by critics after Katrina? Your response to my post is pretty much in line with the left-wingers in the states....ignore the accusation that Obama is trying his hardest to turn the states into a socialist police state and focus on something like that.
Firstly, I'm not a left winger.
Secondly, your comments don't make sense. You're comparing what Obama did during the tornado's to what Bush did after Katrina.
Thirdly, you keep adding more gibberish - socialist police state - notwithstanding that this has very little to do with what the President does after a natural disaster, I don't think health care for the masses is going to turn the US into Soviet Bulgaria, any more than it did here.
Fourthly please feel free to post an original thought. Glenn Beck must be tired from doing your thinking for you...
racefactory
7th June 2011, 21:47
Working at Mcdonalds is good honest work, it's just public perception that is crap! :yes:
The only thing below standard at Macca's is the filthy behaviour of some of their customers! (IMHO) :shifty:
Fuck that to hell. It is complete rape of the earth, that is what it is. To work for them and support this unscrupulous profiteering is just abominable.
Forcing farmers into slavery, animals into gigantic scale inhumane factory farming, infesting the minds of small children, causing serious health complications with food engineering that knows no limits and polluting the earth with this fucking never ending plastic rubbish. It is a recipe for total disaster and this Mccancer perpetual growth should be seriously seen as more of a hazard.
Watch Food Inc and I hope you will think differently. Everything is wrong with working at maccers.
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