Land Speed Record

[Lou Girardin]

It's good to see TV3 giving that guy Garrett (Steve?) coverage on his sidecar record attempt. 224 km/h in testing so far without the bodywork. He's aiming for 320 k's on a public road. He said that he almost had seagull mash on one run.

[placidfemme]

It's good to see TV3 giving that guy Garrett (Steve?) coverage on his sidecar record attempt. 224 km/h in testing so far without the bodywork. He's aiming for 320 k's on a public road. He said that he almost had seagull mash on one run.

Yeah I saw that on TV last night... Good on him... *can't imagine going 320kph*

[Ixion]

Yeah I saw that on TV last night... Good on him... *can't imagine going 320kph*

Maybe I am expecting too much, but it doesn't sound that fast for a land speed record ? 224kph is only about 140mph, granted he's got the chair to lug around, and its drag factor. Still would have though someone with a fueller Vincent or something could have reached that in the fifties or sixties .

All props to him though , and his passenger. Wouldn't care to do it m'self.

[dangerous]

Maybe I am expecting too much, but it doesn't sound that fast for a land speed record ? 224kph is only about 140mph, granted he's got the chair to lug around, and its drag factor. Still would have though someone with a fueller Vincent or something could have reached that in the fifties or sixties .

All props to him though , and his passenger. Wouldn't care to do it m'self.
No passanger and next to no extra weight....... the 3rd wheel is more like a wing, 320k should be easy as :clap:

This is the full size model of it.

http://www.goflyingkiwi.co.nz/modules/gallery/albums/workshop-album/DSC00104.jpg

[SPman]

Yeah I saw that on TV last night... Good on him... *can't imagine going 320kph*


Like going 220kph....but faster!

[Coyote]

Yeah I saw that on TV last night... Good on him... *can't imagine going 320kph*
Watch that tankcam video of a Hayabusa doing a wheelie

Then watch it at double speed, if only my 250 was that fast

[Kickaha]

Maybe I am expecting too much, but it doesn't sound that fast for a land speed record ? 224kph is only about 140mph, granted he's got the chair to lug around, and its drag factor. Still would have though someone with a fueller Vincent or something could have reached that in the fifties or sixties .

All props to him though , and his passenger. Wouldn't care to do it m'self.


The old world record was set in 1955 at 162mph on a Vincent down Tram road in Canterbury,since then the criteria has changed and that record cannot be broken and under the new rules the only attempt made set it at 224kph

Here's some pics from testing at Wigram
Pic 1 Phil warming it up just before his first run
Pic 2 Phil about to give it heaps
Pic 3 Glen getting ready for his first run
Pic 4 GLen and Phil after Glens runs in it

[Kickaha]

Pic 1 Glen giving it heaps the old shitter chase vehicle couldn't keep up :rofl:
Pic 2 Peter Fenton talking to Phil before Phil's first run
Pic 3 Glen checking the tyre pressures
Pic 4 Phil and Glen after one of Glens runs
Pic 5 The Bodywork

It's taken him and a heap of volunteers a heap of time and effort to get this far and I'm really hoping they pull this off

look here as well http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=9104&highlight=land+speed

and if anyone want's to update his website for him give him a yell here
http://goflyingkiwi.lyricspawn.com/

[Coyote]

That Sidecar looks bloody awesome :2thumbsup

[Kickaha]

Well next Monday is the day they see if it all works as it should, with road closures in place for the week to give them a few spare days if something turns to custard

Talked to Phil last night and asked him if it was all good?
No it isn't he replies we just got the new bodywork delivered and it doesn't fit :rofl: but there's 5 guys out in the shed working on it from now until it's fixed

Last few runs at Wigram last week they were running it up to 220 odd kmh and still not getting out of 4th as they didn't have the room

[Silage]

Well next Monday is the day they see if it all works as it should, with road closures in place for the week to give them a few spare days if something turns to custard


Kickaha, do you (or anyone else) know where and when the run on Monday is due to happen and if the "public" can get to see any of it. I am off work then and could be good to see history in the making. Their web page could do with a bit of an update, but I suppose they have been busy elsewhere.

[DingDong]

320k will look fast with your face that close to the black stuff...
Wish him all the best for the next run, TV should cover more record attempts like this, people might try harder to beat them. :clap:

[Kickaha]

Kickaha, do you (or anyone else) know where and when the run on Monday is due to happen and if the "public" can get to see any of it. I am off work then and could be good to see history in the making. Their web page could do with a bit of an update, but I suppose they have been busy elsewhere.


It will be run at Chertsey I think it is the road that leads down past the pub the idea was that it was only open to members of his"320 club" and those that had helped him out but on the briefing sheet it did mention a public veiwing area and as it's held in a public area (admittedly on closed roads) I can't see how they could stop you, although access could be restricted on safety grounds I guess

Already given Phil some grief about his webpage he said the guy that built it has dissapeared and they have no one else to update it, so he's looking for a volunteer

[Oakie]

Yep. Saw the item on TV. Man, than bike sounded nice!
Good luck to them.

[Kickaha]

First runs were done today, unfortunately there was a problem with the timing gear and it didn't work due to a fault with the cable between the timing beacons

They did however run it up to 250kmh but due to problems with the canopy it wasn't fitted and at that speed some instability developed

TV3 news tonight there will be a little bit about it

[WINJA]

WHAT A HEAP OF SHIT ,2 WEEKS AGO I WENT FASTER THAN THAT PICKING UP A LOAF OF BREAD

[Kickaha]

WHAT A HEAP OF SHIT ,2 WEEKS AGO I WENT FASTER THAN THAT PICKING UP A LOAF OF BREAD


Probably that shitty old Suzuki motor he's using :motu:

[TwoSeven]

I think the question winja might really be asking is after reading the website, hearing about the costs and hassles etc, we are wondering why he is having problems getting a motorcycle (with an extra wheel attached) to 150mph - which is less than the top speed of my 15 year old 600cc bike.

[Kickaha]

I think the question winja might really be asking is after reading the website, hearing about the costs and hassles etc, we are wondering why he is having problems getting a motorcycle (with an extra wheel attached) to 150mph - which is less than the top speed of my 15 year old 600cc bike.

I realise that,but it doesn't mean I cant give him some crap about his comments

As I already explained because they cant run the canopy it is causing instabilty when they approach the 250kmh,maybe they'll have to make some big holes in the back of the body work to let the air thats filling it up somewhere to get out

What your 15 year old bike says on the speedo and what it does in real life are quite likely two different things

[Sensei]

You sure they haven't put your old XJ550 in there Kickaha. Even with the 3rd wheel a 180HP + GSXR motor it should piss bowl past 250k . I take it they tryed out the shell for been aerodynamic ?

[Kickaha]

You sure they haven't put your old XJ550 in there Kickaha. Even with the 3rd wheel a 180HP + GSXR motor it should piss bowl past 250k . I take it they tryed out the shell for been aerodynamic ?


Mate, they didn't want my XJ motor I think they were scared the chassis wouldn't handle the power it puts out, so they choose a lesser model GSXR1000 instead :yes:

[Sensei]

Yep I see what you mean . Those XJ's motors are pretty Scary :whistle:

[WINJA]

Mate, they didn't want my XJ motor I think they were scared the chassis wouldn't handle the power it puts out, so they choose a lesser model GSXR1000 instead :yes:
A TUNED GSXR1000 MOTOR WHICH MEANS IT MAKING LESS HP THAN STANDARD

[Kickaha]

Yep I see what you mean . Those XJ's motors are pretty Scary :whistle:

Dunno about the motor,but my chassis and shocks scare the crap out me from time to time:yes:



A TUNED GSXR1000 MOTOR WHICH MEANS IT MAKING LESS HP THAN STANDARD

Could be worse, they could have a fat bastard like you riding it,that'd truly fuck the power to weight ratio :rofl:

[WINJA]

Dunno about the motor,but my chassis and shocks scare the crap out me from time to time:yes:




Could be worse, they could have a fat bastard like you riding it,that'd truly fuck the power to weight ratio :rofl:
MAYBE BUT I WOULDNT CRY ABOUT LACK OF VISIBILITY AND BIRD STRIKE , ID JUST CANE THE FUCKER

[Sensei]

Dunno about the motor,but my chassis and shocks scare the crap out me from time to time:yes:

Yea road one many moons ago Bloody shit myself Felt like riding a
Jandale all over the place . Motor had done 180,000 ks not bad

[Kickaha]

MAYBE BUT I WOULDNT CRY ABOUT LACK OF VISIBILITY AND BIRD STRIKE , ID JUST CANE THE FUCKER


No point, as the timing gear has shit itself so it wasn't worth risking the entire project if they couldn't get the record, they found a few things wrong so they'll sort those out as best they can and have another bash at it





Yea road one many moons ago Bloody shit myself Felt like riding a
Jandale all over the place . Motor had done 180,000 ks not bad

Mines only done 100,000 so plenty of life left in it yet :yes:

[crazylittleshit]

they should just get a hayabusa with a turbo And strap a sidecar to that??????????????? :devil2:
Why fuck around. :nono:

[RiderInBlack]

So what are the restrictions for this because I watched this on 3 last night and could only think:
"Fu*k I'd pass them at those speeds on old "Roxanne" with the kitchen sink on:rofl: while Death or the Gost Rider rode past me on the back wheel:gob:"

Now if that was MPH then we would be talking.

[Lou Girardin]

Hey Guys, especially WINJA, when you've sorted out Garretts problems. Go over to the news thread and help Rossi become a winner. :mega:

[TwoSeven]

Why are they using the fishtail design for the rear part of the fairing rather than the whale tail. I would have thought using a fishtail would have led to instability at high speed. ?

Just wondering.

[scumdog]

Hey Guys, especially WINJA, when you've sorted out Garretts problems. Go over to the news thread and help Rossi become a winner. :mega:

Good point, how come all you winners haven't set world records at least once a week - while picking up a loaf of bread??
(Whatever turns your crank I guess but prefer picking up sheilas m'self) :rofl:

[TonyB]

(Whatever turns your crank I guess but prefer picking up sheilas m'self) :rofl:
What does Mrs SD say about that? :whistle:

[k14]

Just had the word that they broke the record today. 271kph. Sure that they will keep going for the rest of the week and maybe get another 10 or 20kph out of it.

[Ixion]

Just had the word that they broke the record today. 271kph. Sure that they will keep going for the rest of the week and maybe get another 10 or 20kph out of it.

Oh, goody. Exciting. Any chance of hitting the triple tonne ?

[Lou Girardin]

Good point, how come all you winners haven't set world records at least once a week - while picking up a loaf of bread??
(Whatever turns your crank I guess but prefer picking up sheilas m'self) :rofl:

I'm surprised he likes bread, I thought he'd be a 1/2 kilo of liver type.

[TwoSeven]

Arrg. I hate kilopoofters. Just big numbers to sound impressive. 271 kph = 167mph.

[k14]

Arrg. I hate kilopoofters. Just big numbers to sound impressive. 271 kph = 167mph.

Well alot of people more important than you seem to think its a good idea, seeing as though the meter is the si unit of measurement. Miles are the stupidest measurement unit in the existence. Although if you're stuck in the 80's then I guess thats what happens :rofl:

Just heard that they won't be making any more attempts at it so let the celebrations begin. NZ has a new world record holder. :Punk:

[Sensei]

Top effort: Give them a Pat on the back from me Kickaha if you see them :drinkup:

[TonyB]

Well alot of people more important than you seem to think its a good idea, seeing as though the meter is the si unit of measurement. Miles are the stupidest measurement unit in the existence. Although if you're stuck in the 80's then I guess thats what happens :rofl:

Just heard that they won't be making any more attempts at it so let the celebrations begin. NZ has a new world record holder. :Punk:
Gotta agree with you K14.
How many metres in a km? 1000
How many mm in a metre? 1000
How many mm in a km? 1,000,000
If 1mm of rain falls on 1,000 square metres, how much water is that? 1m³ or 1,000 litres or 1,000kg or 1 tonne
So, Twoseven, :devil2: without getting your calculator out or using a bit of paper, can you tell me how many inches there are in a mile? Can you even remember how many feet there are in a mile?
If one inch of rain falls on 1,000 square feet, how many gallons of water is that (imperial), what is it's volume in square feet, and what does it weigh? You can use your calculator for that one :wait: :rofl:
An inch was based on the width of a mans thumb (but which man????), then in the 14th century, King Edward II of England ruled that 1 inch equal 3 grains of barley placed end to end lengthwise. Oh yes, THAT makes soooo much sense....
(Biiiiiig PT) :msn-wink:

[dangerous]

NZ has a new world record holder. :Punk:
ohh yeah and too think Kickaha and myself were out MTBing with him the other day....... FWIW, Glen the faster of the too (Glen & Phill) is fuking slow on a MTB :devil2:

ps: then again so is Kickaha :whistle:

[Kickaha]

Well they beat the old record by about 50kmh and althought they didn't get to the speeds they wanted are feeling pretty happy with themselves

Phil said he was going about as fast as he wanted on that road and at around the 220 mh mark hit a bump which put a bit of a wobble on and he tried going faster to ride through it but it kept on wobbling


Why are they using the fishtail design for the rear part of the fairing rather than the whale tail. I would have thought using a fishtail would have led to instability at high speed. ?

Just wondering.

Perhaps because that was the best shape based on the wind tunnel testing

[Kickaha]

ohh yeah and too think Kickaha and myself were out MTBing with him the other day....... FWIW, Glen the faster of the too is fuking slow on a MTB :devil2:

ps: then again so is Kickaha :whistle:

what a name dropping cunt :whistle:

[TwoSeven]

Gotta agree with you K14.
How many metres in a km? 1000
How many mm in a metre? 1000
How many mm in a km? 1,000,000
If 1mm of rain falls on 1,000 square metres, how much water is that? 1m³ or 1,000 litres or 1,000kg or 1 tonne


How many miles in a mile - easy one.

How many miles in 10 miles - easy 10.

How much rain falls in 10 square miles - easy, 10 square miles worth.

How many mm in a meter - who the fook cares, we use feet and inches.

So your kilopoofter measurements are still crap. :)

[dangerous]

what a name dropping cunt :whistle:
yeah I know....... people will be stoked too know that I ride MTB with you Kickaha, they will even be amused that I actually talk to ya :nya:

[ajturbo]

ummm

one day, on my xj900 i bolted a side chair unit.

mud boy was around 2 years old

i managed OVER 200ks on it WITH HIM in it!!!!

the bike cost me 10k brand new.......

now i know that the speedo would be out... but even if it was 10-15% out.. it was not much slower.....

not trying to put anyone down here.. just trying to put things into perspective..(SP?)

[RiderInBlack]

Awesome to hear they broke the record:Punk: Still would like to know what the restrictions are for this record as they must be pretty harsh. They've past "Roxanne" but have a long way to got to bet a Busa. Top job anyway dudes:Punk:

[k14]

ummm

one day, on my xj900 i bolted a side chair unit.

mud boy was around 2 years old

i managed OVER 200ks on it WITH HIM in it!!!!

the bike cost me 10k brand new.......

now i know that the speedo would be out... but even if it was 10-15% out.. it was not much slower.....

not trying to put anyone down here.. just trying to put things into perspective..(SP?)

Ok then go out and get that sidecar, bolt it on and beat the record. Show him that 250k was way too much to spend and it can be done with $10k

[WINJA]

Hey Guys, especially WINJA, when you've sorted out Garretts problems. Go over to the news thread and help Rossi become a winner. :mega:
I WOULDNT HELP NO ONE TURN A PERFECTLY GOOD MOTORBIKE INTO A SIDECAR, MAYBE A GO KART

[SixPackBack]

I WOULDNT HELP NO ONE TURN A PERFECTLY GOOD MOTORBIKE INTO A SIDECAR, MAYBE A GO KART

Agreed side cars are the most hideous of all invention's.....they are weird, unbalanced......i look at them and think why don't you try two sidecars....at least it would be symetrical......still look like a train crash but!

[ajturbo]

Ok then go out and get that sidecar, bolt it on and beat the record. Show him that 250k was way too much to spend and it can be done with $10k

you have to realise that it was back in 1987... and 10k was HEAPS!

we only put 8k on our first deposit for a house!!!:whistle:

but good on them for breaking the record!!!!:Punk: :Punk: :Punk:

[RiderInBlack]

Still would like to know what the restrictions are for this record as they must be pretty harsh.
Just some of the regs they had to adhere to for those of us (like myself) that didn't know:whistle: (see attachment).

[Kickaha]

I WOULDNT HELP NO ONE TURN A PERFECTLY GOOD MOTORBIKE INTO A SIDECAR, MAYBE A GO KART

Lucky he didn't use a perfectly good motorcycle then, he only used a GSXR1000 instead

[Sensei]

Lucky he didn't use a perfectly good motorcycle then, he only used a GSXR1000 instead


:oi-grr: :oi-grr: :no: :weird: :mad: :nono: :motu:

[WINJA]

Lucky he didn't use a perfectly good motorcycle then, he only used a GSXR1000 instead
YEAH OK STONER

[NordieBoy]

yeah I know....... people will be stoked too know that I ride MTB with you Kickaha, they will even be amused that I actually talk to ya :nya:

But does he listen?

:nya:

[NordieBoy]

From Jan 1 1962 it became obligatory for 132lb (60Kg - see much simpler) of ballast carried on a sidecar that had to be similar to those used for road racing, complete with platform and nose fairing.
No more "wheel on a strut" outfits.

[Ixion]

Just some of the regs they had to adhere to for those of us (like myself) that didn't know:whistle: (see attachment).

No two strokes allowed ? :no: Why everyone beat up on the nice two smokers ? After all Scott was the architypical sidecar bike.

[Kickaha]

No two strokes allowed ? :no: Why everyone beat up on the nice two smokers ? After all Scott was the architypical sidecar bike.


NZ roadrace rules allow us to use Two Strokes up to 1300cc :yes:
and if anyone wants to buy me a Swissauto I'd be happy too run it
http://www.swissauto.com/e/index.e.html
have a look in projects at the V4 :love:

We had a look at some jetski motors,but them you have to hook up a transmission etc, although a guy in Canada runs a snowmobile motor/trans in one of his

[Ixion]

NZ roadrace rules allow us to use Two Strokes up to 1300cc :yes:
and if anyone wants to buy me a Swissauto I'd be happy too run it
http://www.swissauto.com/e/index.e.html
have a look in projects at the V4 :love:

We had a look at some jetski motors,but them you have to hook up a transmission etc, although a guy in Canada runs a snowmobile motor/trans in one of his

Interesting site. Thanks

[Pixie]

No two strokes allowed ? :no: Why everyone beat up on the nice two smokers ? After all Scott was the architypical sidecar bike.
Dey is peasants,dey is.

[LB]

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Someone at work told me about this yesterday, I hadn't seen this thread or TV3.

Watched TV3 last night (also TV1 had it on as the last item just before 7pm).

We talked to these guys at the Britten meeting March last year, they had a display stand. We bought a couple of their t-shirts.

Kickaha: I didn't realise Glen was involved with them - it gave me a real buzz to see him on the tele!!! Do you think he'll give me his autograph?? It must have been really exciting to have been there.

Good stuff!!!
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[Kickaha]

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Kickaha: I didn't realise Glen was involved with them - it gave me a real buzz to see him on the tele!!! Do you think he'll give me his autograph?? It must have been really exciting to have been there.

Good stuff!!!
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I'm sure Glen will autograph anything you want :whistle:

I wasn't there for the attempt and have had nothing to do with the record attempt apart from going to have the odd look at what they were building and chatting to Phil and Glen about it, although we did fit the tyres for it so does that mean you'll want my autograph to? :rofl:

Between his real jobs and the record attempt Glen has been doing 80+ hour weeks for the last few months so he'll be happy it's all over and that they can all have a break

[scumdog]

What does Mrs SD say about that? :whistle:

Nothing - as long as she's the sheila!!!

Don't think she'd lrt me pick up any other though!! - might have something to say about it then. :mad:

[LB]

I wasn't there for the attempt and have had nothing to do with the record attempt apart from going to have the odd look at what they were building and chatting to Phil and Glen about it, although we did fit the tyres for it so does that mean you'll want my autograph to? :rofl:

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Let me think about that and get back to you......
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[Stirringaxe]

Got this second hand so could be incorrect but I believe the boys achieved 272kms in their record attempt. The body work windscreen was hard to see thru so was removed. Apparently the side car was all over the road with Glen setting the fastest time. Well done to Phil & Glen and all those involved in the attempt. I heard thay are wanting to go to the salt flats in America somewhere to go faster. Good stuff

[TwoSeven]

Hmm.. I wonder if the drag on the extra wheel extension was pulling it sideways ?

[gav]

More likely the camber on the road.

[Kickaha]

Hmm.. I wonder if the drag on the extra wheel extension was pulling it sideways ?

No it wasn't


More likely the camber on the road.

That wasn't it either

By running without the canopy it screwed the areodynamics and changed the loading at 220kmh it started to weave and wouldn't stop, they think that if they were able to either run the canopy or extend the tail they could have solved the problem

The run up wasn't quite long enough as they weren't hitting the first speedtrap pinned in top and were still accelerating as they exited the last timing beacon,but given the condition of the road which felt smooth at 100kmh and very bumpy at 200kmh + they decided once they had the record in the interests of safety they would call it a day

the website has also now been updated http://www.goflyingkiwi.co.nz/

[Kickaha]

Talked to Glen earlier today and I quote

"I've done some dumb shit in my life but that was the scariest thing I've ever done"

On his first run he couldn't see the revcounter without taking his eyes off the road as he was struggling with it the whole way down the course to keep it going straight, he had it pinned in top but believes he changed up way to early because of how the second run went

On his return run with a shorter run up and the same problems keeping it straight he didn't even use top gear but clocked a faster time

They didn't have the Yoshie ems hooked up and the fuel map was wrong so he said there's more HP to come,but what they really need is to get the canopy sorted and that should fix the stability problem,then they need a longer less bumpy road