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9th June 2011, 08:44

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5119068/Police-seize-profane-clothing-in-Invercargill

Clothing that describes Jesus Christ as a profanity was seized from a south Invercargill store by police yesterday.

Police took away the offending apparel after being asked to do so by Internal Affairs.

The tops would be sent to the department which would decide, after consulting with police, whether the owners of theImpuls'd store which sells them would be charged with any criminal offences.

The Southland Times yesterday revealed the store, owned byWarren and Angela Skill, was selling hooded tops with the words "Jesus is a c***" emblazoned on the back.

Sergeant Brock Davis, of Invercargill, said police visited the store mid-afternoon and seized between 10 and 15 hooded tops and long-sleeved T-shirts with the offending words on them. The owner was co-operative, he said.

People have been seen wearing the tops on city streets in the past week, with a 68-year-old visitor to the city saying she was horrified when she saw a man walking along Dunns Rd with the offending words emblazoned across his back.
For fucks sake, if we are going to ban things just because a few people might get offended, we will have to ban everything. :facepalm:

Had to laugh at the double standards here:

Mr Skill showed another example of his merchandise – a shirt bearing the words "F*** me Jesus", but said police had "not been interested in it".
Maybe the cops are Marduk fans? :Punk:

oneofsix

9th June 2011, 08:47

Toaster

9th June 2011, 08:59

Try wearing a tee shirt that says Muhammad was a cunt.

In Mt Roskill.

HALALALALALALALALA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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9th June 2011, 09:03

try wearing a tee shirt that says muhammad was a cunt.
durka durka mohamed jihad!

oneofsix

9th June 2011, 09:20

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5119068/Police-seize-profane-clothing-in-Invercargill

For fucks sake, if we are going to ban things just because a few people might get offended, we will have to ban everything. :facepalm:

Had to laugh at the double standards here:

Maybe the cops are Marduk fans? :Punk:

Coffee just kicked in. Double standards yes. The tee shirt tries to be irreverent about the Christian religion however it refers to Jesus in the PRESENT tense thereby supporting the Christian belief. :niceone: :facepalm:

scissorhands

9th June 2011, 09:20

Try telling the kebab shop guy you dont believe in god

Banditbandit

9th June 2011, 09:21

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5119068/Police-seize-profane-clothing-in-Invercargill

For fucks sake, if we are going to ban things just because a few people might get offended, we will have to ban everything. :facepalm:

Had to laugh at the double standards here:

Maybe the cops are Marduk fans? :Punk:

Yeah yeah .. lot's of things are banned because they might offend some people ... you just don't know about them ..

Try getting a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook. Or child porn ..

oneofsix

9th June 2011, 09:22

Try telling the kebab shop guy you dont believe in god

that would be sure to spice things up :yes:

Motig

9th June 2011, 09:25

But thats true - HE is a SHE. (revised politically correct version)

maggot

9th June 2011, 11:50

oneofsix

9th June 2011, 12:00

For fucks sake, how stupid.
By all rights, shouldn't I be allowed to get offended at people wandering around with t-shirts and bumper stickers telling me that Jesus is gonna save my sorry sinning ass? I don't believe it, and it gets under my skin, same bloody argument.

offensive language is more the issue isn't it? If you wear a Tee shirt saying "I don't believe in Jesus" you will offend some people but the cops wont be around to take it off you.
If you really want to offend people how about a tee shirt that says "Decker works like a nigger".

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 12:04

the interesting thing is that a bunch of Cannibal Corpse records are banned. No one has even mentioned that in the hand wringing.

Not my sub genre by any means, but banned? come on!

jafar

9th June 2011, 12:05

Paul in NZ

9th June 2011, 12:06

If you want to wear a t shirt that says 'I dont believe in Jesus' thats cool but wearing a shirt that says anyone is a c%nt is just a bridge too far.

Since only an immature attention seeking moron with a broken sense of community would wear such a garment, and goodness knows we have them by the bucketfull, I think possession should be automatic death penalty... That way you can get to see if indeed there IS a god and call him (or her) a C%nt face to face....

Big Dave

9th June 2011, 12:11

offensive language is more the issue isn't it?

I agree - and that it's intended to offend. Some call that art.

To me it says 'I have a very low EQ - do not engage'.

Scuba_Steve

9th June 2011, 12:14

Try getting a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook.

I have a copy, albeit pdf

But hey this all sits well with these foundation laws right???:facepalm:

13 Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

14 Freedom of expression
Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, including the freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form.

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 12:15

I agree - and that it's intended to offend. Some call that art.

To me it says 'I have a very low EQ - do not engage'.

oh no, its about freedom of expression. Didnt our dads fight a war so fuckwits could be beneficiaries for generation on end?

Paul in NZ

9th June 2011, 12:16

I have a copy, albeit pdf

But hey this all sits well with these foundation laws right???:facepalm:

13 Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

14 Freedom of expression
Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, including the freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form.

And with these 'freedoms' comes the obligation not to be a prat.

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 12:20

its interesting to me because of the word "cunt"

its one of the few very taboo words still left I think. But less so than it used to be: I've heard it a few times on TV even. (I think Sopranos, maybe even Outrageous Fortune? Deadwood?). I wonder if thats a sign of its increasing "Acceptability?" in society generally? In five years will we be wondering what the fuss was about, like we do know with old paradigms of censorship?

it is quite interesting I think. But the retards in Invergiggle? they should get back to rooting their sisters and mothers and benefit fraud, its what they do best.

oh yeah, and in Entourage Ari calls someone a "Cuntmuscle" and Mrs Ari is offended: Really Ari? "cuntmuscle"?

Banditbandit

9th June 2011, 12:21

I have a copy, albeit pdf

But hey this all sits well with these foundation laws right???:facepalm:

13 Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

14 Freedom of expression
Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, including the freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form.

So ... how do you justify banning child porn? Surely it is guaranteed under Freedom of Expression ...

Virago

9th June 2011, 12:21

offensive language is more the issue isn't it? If you wear a Tee shirt saying "I don't believe in Jesus" you will offend some people but the cops wont be around to take it off you...

Bingo. Those jumping up and down about religious censorship are rather misguided - but then anyone who would want to wear such a shirt is probably a brainless knuckle-dragger.

Similarly, those who are offended that their "right" to cause mindless offence is curtailed, are unlikely to see the irony.

dogsnbikes

9th June 2011, 12:21

"Religon can never reform mandkind because religlon is slavery"
Isn't slavery illegal:innocent:

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 12:22

And with these 'freedoms' comes the obligation not to be a prat.

that is the thing that people forget in civil society (which we aspire to be) that with rights come obligations. Principally they can be summarised as "dont be a cunt" ;)

Banditbandit

9th June 2011, 12:22

"Religon can never reform mandkind because religlon is savlery"

Isn't savlery illegal:innocent:

Only when it's not the salve called Oil of Olay ..

Big Dave

9th June 2011, 12:23

Only when it's not the salve called Oil of Olay ..

You're Balmy

Banditbandit

9th June 2011, 12:28

You're Balmy

Yeah, it is quite a nice day here too.

Toaster

9th June 2011, 12:29

offensive language is more the issue isn't it? If you wear a Tee shirt saying "I don't believe in Jesus" you will offend some people but the cops wont be around to take it off you.
If you really want to offend people how about a tee shirt that says "Decker works like a nigger".

Yes it is an offence in itself.... offensive language, offensive behaviour, behaviour likely to cause violence etc etc.

If someone shouted that sentence out in Invercargill to that old lady, she would likely still show the same offence to the statement and the offending person could be arrested and charged.

It is about maintaining a degree of public order and decency. Like it or not a line has to be drawn somewhere and we have legislation and common law that supports this. Basically if an ordinary person would find the use of the C word in public offensive, then it is. Printed words are the same as spoken in this regard.

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 12:39

Yes it is an offence in itself.... offensive language, offensive behaviour, behaviour likely to cause violence etc etc.

If someone shouted that sentence out in Invercargill to that old lady, she would likely still show the same offence to the statement and the offending person could be arrested and charged.

It is about maintaining a degree of public order and decency. Like it or not a line has to be drawn somewhere and we have legislation and common law that supports this. Basically if an ordinary person would find the use of the C word in public offensive, then it is. Printed words are the same as spoken in this regard.

I get that, and I agree. What i find harder to agree with is banning a CD on the grounds it is objectionable: note here that the sound recording is objectionable, not the cover art. So they cant even sell this in a brown paper bag.

But the issue is if I go to buy a Cannibal Corpse CD, I know what I am getting, I am unlikely to be offended by it, and am a volunteer: i.e. no one is forcing me to listen. My view therefore is that that if you want to listen to it, you should be able to: and obviously if there is some concern there is a mechanism to address that: R18 etc.

As so often is the case in these debates, the issue really isnt whether a line should be drawn or not (the child porn example) but exactly where that line falls: Any sane person agrees with the "no kiddie porn" but whether Cannibal Corpse is offensive per se is another question.

Remember the insane fearmongering in the 80's about heavy metal (and the PMRC and all that bullshit), banning Ozzy Osbourne's "Suicide Solution" (without, apparently, ever listening to the anti-suicide lyrics!) even banning the Sex Pistols (no swearing in God Save the Queen - well, not much).

Later there was the same response to gangster rap. Usually made by people who had sung in choirs, finished school, and weren't thugs. (some were, or course).

I find it very interesting.

Toaster

9th June 2011, 12:46

We all have very different views on what we deem acceptable, permissable or offensive.

Many here probably don't mind the shirt, others will find it repulsive.

What if other shirts were sold that covered other groups, views or issues that each one of us found in some way objectional.

These are example slogans and are not aimed at causing any offence but to provoke thought that we all get offended in some way by something.

It is more about being objective in our thinking.

Now some examples that would no doubt stir:

Muhammad is a terrorist.

I like your daughter, can I take a photo.

We ate your dog, thankyou for letting us immigrate!

I like motorcyclists, gives me something to aim at.

Jesus is coming, please take a rag.

Budda is a fat bastard.

Moron Mormons.

Pit bulls like kids, they just taste better.

Jehovah Witnesses are just plain annoying.

Get a bigger farm, shoot your neighbour.

Your wife blows like a volcano.

Check out my package, it's huge!

It is all fun and games until the pigs show up.

See my point? We all find something in there that offends us.

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 12:49

We all have very different views on what we deem acceptable, permissable or offensive.

Many here probably don't mind the shirt, other will find it repulsive.

What if other shirts were sold that covered other groups, views or issues that each one of us found in some way objectional.

These are example slogans and are not aimed at causing any offence but to provoke thought that we all get offended in some way by something.

It is more about being objective in our thinking.

Now some examples that would no doubt stir:

Muhammad is a terrorist.

I like your daughter, can I take a photo.

We ate your dog, thankyou for letting us immigrate!

I like motorcyclists, gives me something to aim at.

Jesus is coming, please take a rag.

Budda is a fat bastard.

Moron Mormons.

Pit bulls like kids, they just taste better.

Jehovah Witnesses are just plain annoying.

Get a bigger farm, shoot your neighbour.

Your wife blows like a volcano.

Check out my package, it's huge!

It is all fun a games until the pigs show up.

See my point? We all find something in there that offends us.

Dude, you've a gift for this: lets go into business together.!!

I have a Darwin fish on my car because I am offended by religious zealots who put stupid fish on their cars........

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Zml1z9EfL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 12:49

I also own a T shirt that says "God is coming, look busy"

Toaster

9th June 2011, 12:54

Dude, you've a gift for this: lets go into business together.!!

I have a Darwin fish on my car because I am offended by religious zealots who put stupid fish on their cars........

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Zml1z9EfL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

I like it. Can't stand bad drivers who have a so called christian symbol on their car. Hardly a good example of the fruits of the spirit as they call it (patience and kindness etc).

I would be tempted to go into business just to get thrown in jail for the free food, pool tables and sky tv.... I feel another slogan coming on....

Maybe we should contract to the TUI advertising company.

bogan

9th June 2011, 12:57

I have a Darwin fish on my car because I am offended by religious zealots who put stupid fish on their cars........

We have one of them on our fridge! Not really sure how it got their as I'm pretty sure none of my flatmates put it up, maybe it's a Jesus fish that evolved?

For me a lot of it comes down to intent, you get different slogans if you intend to make people think than if you just want to piss them off. Prick of a thing to police though init!

Toaster

9th June 2011, 13:01

Prick of a thing to police though init!

Absolutely. The police merely act on the facts before them. The courts have to deal with the cases and determine rulings.

DIA, Police, Customs all have to deal with merchandise issues like this more often that many would realise.

Katman

9th June 2011, 13:03

Isn't savlery illegal:innocent:

I like savleroys dunked in tomato sauce.

Scuba_Steve

9th June 2011, 13:05

So ... how do you justify banning child porn? Surely it is guaranteed under Freedom of Expression ...

yes but the law can be over-ruled if it can be shown that under a 'true democracy' (not this shit we have now) the people would have it this way. So the question is would the "people" accept "child porn" or ban it?
I think that is how we justify banning that :yes:

bogan

9th June 2011, 13:12

Absolutely. The police merely act on the facts before them. The courts have to deal with the cases and determine rulings.

DIA, Police, Customs all have to deal with merchandise issues like this more often that many would realise.

Just burn em all and let god sort em out, bet they would regret their clothing choice then :laugh:

nodrog

9th June 2011, 13:21

I also own a T shirt that says "God is coming, look busy"

I've got one that says "Calm down, lets not turn this rape into a murder."

jafar

9th June 2011, 13:23

Just burn em all and let god sort em out, bet they would regret their clothing choice then :laugh:

Only if there is a god:facepalm:

Scuba_Steve

9th June 2011, 13:28

Only if there is a god:facepalm:

you trying to say I don't exist??? talking to yourself then are you???

superman

9th June 2011, 13:32

Surely this isn't a religious issue. It's whether you can display the word cunt publicly and whether or not that's acceptable. If we accept public television censors with the word cunt, then public clothing/displays of the word are justified in being censored are they not?

I'm sure the shirt would be fine if you just blanked out the word cunt.

Rebrand the shirt "Jesus is a !@#" and no one will give a crap.

oneofsix

9th June 2011, 13:47

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 14:01

yes but the law can be over-ruled if it can be shown that under a 'true democracy' (not this shit we have now) the people would have it this way. So the question is would the "people" accept "child porn" or ban it?
I think that is how we justify banning that :yes:

Dude, you REALLY need to take LAWS101 at university. It would give you some insight into our system of governance, how it evolved, what is meant by the rule of law, history of law and all sorts of fascinating things. Because you have no clue presently.

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 14:02

I've got one that says "Calm down, lets not turn this rape into a murder."

Funny as it is, that isn't one I would wear.

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 14:03

Absolutely. The police merely act on the facts before them. The courts have to deal with the cases and determine rulings.

DIA, Police, Customs all have to deal with merchandise issues like this more often that many would realise.

...........with a LOT of leeway to decide which charges to lay in any particular circumstance. Not that I'm objecting, just pointing it out.

Scuba_Steve

9th June 2011, 14:07

Dude, you REALLY need to take LAWS101 at university. It would give you some insight into our system of governance, how it evolved, what is meant by the rule of law, history of law and all sorts of fascinating things. Because you have no clue presently.

I know what is written in plain, fairly self explanatory words, I don't know how our system justifies manipulating that into it's own agenda, no. But me I'd prefer to stick to the un-corrupted version anyways.

nodrog

9th June 2011, 14:11

Funny as it is, that isn't one I would wear.

Its awesome for getting off Jury duty.

jaffaonajappa

9th June 2011, 14:15

Hahaha, Bikers. We often dont conform.
But theres limits - push the public too far and feel the backlash.

The general population in our fine country dont like blasphemy still. And the Cunt word is still off limits. Litmus test could be - would you wear the shirt in front of your grandparents if they were still alive?

Gang patches, fine - whatever. Police uniform, ok- if you must. A shirt thats sole purpose is to outrage the public - dumbarse.

Banditbandit

9th June 2011, 15:27

you trying to say I don't exist??? talking to yourself then are you???

Oi. I've been sitting on this mountain longer than you ...

Banditbandit

9th June 2011, 15:29

Usarka

9th June 2011, 16:01

Child porn actually hurts vunerable people. People choose to be hurt by a slogan. There's a difference.

The Stranger

9th June 2011, 16:06

So did the word "cunt" appear on the shirts or was it as posted?
Because it may be that the word "cunt" was found offensive as opposed to the reference to JC?

The Stranger

9th June 2011, 16:17

Muhammad is a terrorist.

I like your daughter, can I take a photo.

We ate your dog, thankyou for letting us immigrate!

I like motorcyclists, gives me something to aim at.

Jesus is coming, please take a rag.

Budda is a fat bastard.

Moron Mormons.

Pit bulls like kids, they just taste better.

Jehovah Witnesses are just plain annoying.

Get a bigger farm, shoot your neighbour.

Your wife blows like a volcano.

Check out my package, it's huge!

It is all fun and games until the pigs show up.

See my point? We all find something in there that offends us.

Sorry, you'll have to try harder.

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 16:29

Child porn actually hurts vunerable people. People choose to be hurt by a slogan. There's a difference.

there used to be a criminal offence of blasphemy.

with severe penalties.

and of course earlier than that, burning witches at the stake.

All part of the same continuum

Scuba_Steve

9th June 2011, 16:35

And for the same reason we ban a T-shirt that says "Jesus is a Cunt"

but would the "people" want it banned or just the loudest minority like usual???
I might not like it & think the person wearing it is a wank, but I wouldn't ban his option to wear it. It does not 'hurt' anyone further than they themselves are going to let it, so I one of the "people" see no reason to ban it. I'm sure you'd actually find alot of NZ'ers the same, whether it be the majority or not I am unsure, but at the least I'm sure it'd be close.

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 17:27

Sorry, you'll have to try harder.

Oooooh ooooh: I've got one:

"ACC Levies on motorbike rego are fair and reasonable"

MSTRS

9th June 2011, 17:32

Like many things, freedom of expression can reach a point where it is 'dangerous' (for want of a better word) to go beyond.
Yes, our forefathers fought for us to have such freedoms. But pop into your local RSA with that shirt on and see what sort of reception you get....

Smifffy

9th June 2011, 17:42

Dude, you've a gift for this: lets go into business together.!!

I have a Darwin fish on my car because I am offended by religious zealots who put stupid fish on their cars........

Yeah, there's always someone somewhere looking to get offended about nothing much.

IMO getting one's panties bunched up over a jesus fish on a car is about as silly as getting offended over a blasphemous hoodie.

I would not purchase or display either item. I don't know that the problem is about the language either; if the hoodie had used Shane Warne's name instead of Jesus' then the guy selling them would probably have been featured on Campbell live and the front page of the ODT as a human interest piece, with demand outstripping supply.

Oakie

9th June 2011, 17:45

if the hoodie had used Shane Warne's name instead of Jesus' then the guy selling them would probably have been featured on Campbell live and the front page of the ODT as a human interest piece, with demand outstripping supply.

Or Norma Plummer.

Oakie

9th June 2011, 17:46

"ACC Levies on motorbike rego are fair and reasonable"

Now who's being a cnut.

Big Dave

9th June 2011, 17:48

but would the "people" want it banned or just the loudest minority like usual???

I would say that the vast majority of Kiwis I know would want it discouraged for no other reason than respect for that little old lady.

Big Dave

9th June 2011, 17:51

Yeah, there's always someone somewhere looking to get offended about nothing much.

IMO getting one's panties bunched up over a jesus fish on a car is about as silly as getting offended over a blasphemous hoodie.

I would not purchase or display either item. I don't know that the problem is about the language either; if the hoodie had used Shane Warne's name instead of Jesus' then the guy selling them would probably have been featured on Campbell live and the front page of the ODT as a human interest piece, with demand outstripping supply.

After which, Shane's legal team would probably cost him his business and his house.

Smifffy

9th June 2011, 17:56

After which, Shane's legal team would probably cost him his business and his house.

Which would prove the posit on the shirt... :)

blackdog

9th June 2011, 18:06

'Jesus is a good cunt' wouldn't have got a second look.

oldrider

9th June 2011, 18:18

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 18:49

I would say that the vast majority of Kiwis I know would want it discouraged for no other reason than respect for that little old lady.

thats it, innit? She deserves our respect, unlike the no hopers who think its cool to be offensive just for the sake of it. Some people might find my Darwin fish to be offensive just for the sake of it, and I accept that, but I think its subtle enough, and funny enough, that its OK (its got little feets!! so cute!).

Meh.

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 18:53

Christians are very forgiving, quite a contrast to some other religions.

Islam for instance would not be quite so forgiving or understanding!

A bit of balance might be fatal but .... I wonder if the seller would be game to test the market? :yes:

Bollocks. All religions are intolerant of others beliefs at their core. Its what differentiates them one from the other. We have the one true answer, the others are heathen scum. Thats the message. The delivery ranges from late night american fundie televangelists, to "More tea, vicar?" but the message stays on point.

Oh, and all religions are intolerant of atheism particularly.

my SO refers to religion as "fuckwits arguing amongst themselves about their invisible friends" and that sums it up pretty well I think.

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 18:54

After which, Shane's legal team would probably cost him his business and his house.

the message being "Don't fear god, fear the lawyers"

like it.

yod

9th June 2011, 18:55

thats it, innit? She deserves our respect, unlike the no hopers who think its cool to be offensive just for the sake of it. Some people might find my Darwin fish to be offensive just for the sake of it, and I accept that, but I think its subtle enough, and funny enough, that its OK (its got little feets!! so cute!).

Meh.

Although, by your advocacy of Darwin, you could be construed as a "prophet" or "dreamer of dreams", there by incurring the wrath of the afore mentioned Christians;

Deuteronomy 13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

What's worse? A word on a shirt or a death threat?

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 18:55

'Jesus is a good cunt' wouldn't have got a second look.

just to drag this back on point, I think what is deemed offensive here is the overt use of the word "cunt".

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 18:58

Although, by your advocacy of Darwin, you could be construed as a "prophet" or "dreamer of dreams", there by incurring the wrath of the afore mentioned Christians;

What's worse? A word on a shirt or a death threat?

I'll take my chances, but thanks for your concern.

Just to clarify, "Darwin" in this context is a one-word talisman (make of that word what you will) for the whole of humankind's progress from single celled organism to where we are today, good and bad, and is shorthand for things like the Enlightenment, the scientific method, progress, replacing myth with reason, all that stuff: not Bronze Age superstition.

Don't make me roll out my Dawkins quotes, and my armoury of cartoons taking the piss out of religion. I dont really want to go there, but I will if I have to. ;)

bogan

9th June 2011, 19:08

Oh, and all religions are intolerant of atheism particularly.

I find the converse to be just as true, if not more so. Speaking of words I had to check the meaning of, where's hitcher and his PD warning? :hitcher: bit overdue in here I think :innocent:

What would the result be if the shirt said 'darwin is a cunt' or 'you're a cunt' I reckon it'd be the same.

davebullet

9th June 2011, 19:23

There are only 3 certainties in life:
1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Someone preaching to you that God can get you out of death and taxes

yod

9th June 2011, 20:07

I'll take my chances, but thanks for your concern.

Just to clarify, "Darwin" in this context is a one-word talisman (make of that word what you will) for the whole of humankind's progress from single celled organism to where we are today, good and bad, and is shorthand for things like the Enlightenment, the scientific method, progress, replacing myth with reason, all that stuff: not Bronze Age superstition.

Don't make me roll out my Dawkins quotes, and my armoury of cartoons taking the piss out of religion. I dont really want to go there, but I will if I have to. ;)

:lol: Oh feel free...I'll throw in a few from Hitchens and Harris to keep the party going if you like :msn-wink:

4AGE

9th June 2011, 20:10

These shirts have been around for years. When i was at high school, the cool metal kids would wear them just for the fact that they were banned.

Ronin

9th June 2011, 20:19

240413

Arabic for I love New York.

Now that's class.

Toaster

9th June 2011, 21:19

Sorry, you'll have to try harder.

I just KNEW you'd say that.

Big Dave

9th June 2011, 21:56

My one would have:

That Halibut was good enough for Jehovah.

oldrider

9th June 2011, 22:28

just to drag this back on point, I think what is deemed offensive here is the overt use of the word "cunt".

Nothing offensive about a cunt ... unless it gets to your size that is! :banana:

Winston001

9th June 2011, 22:34

my one would have:

That halibut was good enough for jehovah.

stone him stone the blasphemer

HenryDorsetCase

9th June 2011, 22:52

this thread has it all, including Monty Python

Oakie

10th June 2011, 07:56

this thread has it all, including Monty Python

No 'Nazi' reference yet unless I missed it.

oneofsix

10th June 2011, 08:04

No 'Nazi' reference yet unless I missed it.

you just made it :facepalm: Ok not quite. But did you really have to bring it up. Expect the real one within the next few posts now

MSTRS

10th June 2011, 08:12

just to drag this back on point, I think what is deemed offensive here is the overt use of the word "cunt".

Partly. The main offence comes from the inferred meaning behind it.

sinfull

10th June 2011, 08:20

My god carries a hammer, yours was nailed to a cross, any questions ?

Goblin

10th June 2011, 08:53

Whoever we are
Wherever we're from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
It's gonna take a lot more
Than tryin' to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether

They call it THE EARTH
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
'Cause we behave the same...
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near 'n far
Dumb all over,
Black 'n white
People, we is not wrapped tight

Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religous fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin' the Bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
'Bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Don't believe in the book
We got over here

You can't run a race
Without no feet
'N pretty soon
There won't be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religous fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it won't blow up
'N disappear
It'll just look ugly
For a thousand years...)

You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state

TO ARMS! TO ARMS!
Hooray! That's great
Two legs ain't bad
Unless there's a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (Get Down!)
Not his, not hers, (but what the hey?)
The Good Book says:
("It gotta be that way!")
But their book says:
"REVENGE THE CRUSADES...
With whips 'n chains
'N hand grenades..."
TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS?
Have another and another
Our God says:
"There ain't no other!"
Our God says
"It's all okay!"
Our God says
"This is the way!"

It says in the book:
"Burn 'n destroy...
'N repent, 'n redeem
'N revenge, 'n deploy
'N rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
'Cause they don't go for what's in the book
'N that makes 'em BAD
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice French bomb
To poof them out of existance
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise OUR GOD
("Cause he can really take care of business!")

And when his humble TV servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
It's okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
'Cause if we don't do it,
We ain't gwine up to hebbin!
(Depending on which book you're using at the
time...Can't use theirs... it don't work
...it's all lies...Gotta use mine...)
Ain't that right?
That's what they say
Every night...
Every day...
Hey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following God's Orders
Hey, let's get serious...
God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here
An' the book says:
He made us all to be just like Him,"
so...
If we're dumb...
Then God is dumb...
(An' maybe even a little ugly on the side)

Frank Zappa

Toaster

10th June 2011, 10:02

http://youtu.be/WlBiLNN1NhQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ

Banditbandit

10th June 2011, 10:06

Christians are very forgiving,

:rofl: Did you really say that?

Toaster

10th June 2011, 10:07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ

Banditbandit

10th June 2011, 10:08

this thread has it all, including Monty Python

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

Toaster

10th June 2011, 10:16

this thread has it all, including Monty Python

No thread is complete without Monty Python or Blackadder!

oldrider

10th June 2011, 10:25

:rofl: Did you really say that?

I think you have picked me up wrong, the emphasis of my comment was supposed to be the difference between freedom to express unchristian comments as against the reaction from Islamic religion.

I was not actually supporting either of them! .... They all have much to answer for! IMHO.

oneofsix

10th June 2011, 10:33

I think you have picked me up wrong, the emphasis of my comment was supposed to be the difference between freedom to express unchristian comments as against the reaction from Islamic religion.

I was not actually supporting either of them! .... They all have much to answer for! IMHO.

I don't think it is all down to the religion concerned. The Christian know that they get little to no support from the government or society but due to the western society cringe factor the Muslims and other other minorities know they can make outrages complaints and somebody will listen. :shit: you can not say God bless in a school without risk of offending someone but you can have Yoga classes. Note no God was specified so the God bless is arguably applicable to most religions.

HenryDorsetCase

10th June 2011, 10:52

I don't think it is all down to the religion concerned. The Christian know that they get little to no support from the government or society but due to the western society cringe factor the Muslims and other other minorities know they can make outrages complaints and somebody will listen. :shit: you can not say God bless in a school without risk of offending someone but you can have Yoga classes. Note no God was specified so the God bless is arguably applicable to most religions.

bullfuckingshit.

they're tax exempt for starters.

and then theres the appeals to the invisible friends everywhere: Parliament has prayers, "by the grace of god" this, and all that palaver. Exorcize it all, I say.

yes I chose that word deliberately

oldrider

10th June 2011, 11:04

Religion really is entwined in our everyday speak etc!

How often do we hear people like talkback hosts berating religion and then ending the conversation with "God bless" FFS! :confused:

Banditbandit

10th June 2011, 11:27

I think you have picked me up wrong, the emphasis of my comment was supposed to be the difference between freedom to express unchristian comments as against the reaction from Islamic religion.

I was not actually supporting either of them! .... They all have much to answer for! IMHO.

I think you are wrong about Islam ... There is as great a range in the Islamic world as there is in the Christian world ... There are many God-botherer groups who would be very upset and challenge you if you made unChristian remarks .. they pop out of the woodwork to picket films they don't like .. etc etc ... and are just as hard line as the Islamic Hardliners ... even to the point of terrorist killings ... have a look at the long list of terrorist activity by Christains here ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence ... including one in New Zealand

And there are just as many moderate Islamic groups as there are Christian moderate groups ...

HenryDorsetCase

10th June 2011, 11:54

Religion really is entwined in our everyday speak etc!

How often do we hear people like talkback hosts berating religion and then ending the conversation with "God bless" FFS! :confused:

never. I dont listen to talkback

oneofsix

10th June 2011, 12:13

bullfuckingshit.

they're tax exempt for starters.

and then theres the appeals to the invisible friends everywhere: Parliament has prayers, "by the grace of god" this, and all that palaver. Exorcize it all, I say.

yes I chose that word deliberately

The tax exemption is meant to be for the charity work they do. The homeless would be even more worse off without them. Hence why destiny ... nah another thread.

Again the god could apply to any religion but tend to agree with you. The French are giving it a go and pissing off all equally. If I as a devout biker can't where my helmet in to the bank then why should some chick be allowed to wear a scarf?

Indiana_Jones

10th June 2011, 12:15

I don't see the harm in wearing a tasteless shirt lol.

If the shirt had said "Jesus can sit on it" some people would cry, but the general public would say 'cry me a river'

If it said "Rag heads can blow me up(crossed out)...off" then everyone would go 'oh my, you can't say that, you might offend someone!'

Like they're afraid of getting blown up......terrorism does work!

As for it being against the law as being offencesive purely because one person finds it offencesive, can we get ugly chicks banned? they're pretty offensive....

Like my spelling and grammer! :facepalm:

CUNT!

-Indy

Grubber

10th June 2011, 12:52

oldrider

10th June 2011, 13:42

never. I dont listen to talkback

Heavens to Mergatroid It's not something I advocate, simply an example! :facepalm:

Amazing how many people do and even more amazing it's a major part of their decision making process! :blink:

Indiana_Jones

10th June 2011, 13:47

oldrider

10th June 2011, 14:01

I think you are wrong about Islam ... There is as great a range in the Islamic world as there is in the Christian world ... There are many God-botherer groups who would be very upset and challenge you if you made unChristian remarks .. they pop out of the woodwork to picket films they don't like .. etc etc ... and are just as hard line as the Islamic Hardliners ... even to the point of terrorist killings ... have a look at the long list of terrorist activity by Christains here ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence ... including one in New Zealand

And there are just as many moderate Islamic groups as there are Christian moderate groups ...

Well, staying with the OP, I found myself feeling offended by the said T-shirt and had to seriously ask myself ... why?

I think it is partly because of my upbringing and generational "standards" for the want of a better word!

I wouldn't want my Nanna to be confronted by one of those and I would want to protect her from any discomfort caused by it!

Neither the reference to Jesus nor the cunt word offends me, so why did I feel offended by it ... other than the generational thing, I have no idea!

We are a strange mixed up lot aren't we. :blink:

cs363

10th June 2011, 14:26

No thread is complete without Monty Python or Blackadder!

Lest this thread be considered incomplete:

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HenryDorsetCase

10th June 2011, 17:04

[CENTER]
Better ban it!

-Indy

they sure tried!

Brett

10th June 2011, 17:35

bogan

10th June 2011, 17:54

Got to agree. Screams "look at me, I am so unique and individual I need a shirt like this to declare it". Retarded.

Actually, here's an idea. One could go up to him and ask "How's the weather up there Jesus" but use the hey-zues pronunciation, then laugh, walk away, and find a comfortable place to sit and watch while the moron tries to figure out what the insult was, bonus points if he gets the high horse reference.

Winston001

10th June 2011, 19:32

bullfuckingshit.

they're tax exempt for starters.

and then theres the appeals to the invisible friends everywhere: Parliament has prayers, "by the grace of god" this, and all that palaver. Exorcize it all, I say.

yes I chose that word deliberately

Now now, you know the Statute of Elizabeth 1601 as well as I. Forgive me for the BG link ;) but its useful http://www.bellgully.com/resources/resource.02798.asp

I have a vague memory that Parliament amended the law to allow for "cults" to have their charitable status withdrawn. Might even go back to Bert Potter et al.

HenryDorsetCase

10th June 2011, 19:58

Now now, you know the Statute of Elizabeth 1601 as well as I. Forgive me for the BG link ;) but its useful http://www.bellgully.com/resources/resource.02798.asp

I have a vague memory that Parliament amended the law to allow for "cults" to have their charitable status withdrawn. Might even go back to Bert Potter et al.

Oh, yeah. Statute of Elizabeth. allegedly the virgin queen had syphilis. or something.

this thread needs some real religious appreciation (unlike the godawful examples of "great religious music" ive seen quoted (elsewhere). Funky, yo!

Do you hear voices?

You do, so you are posessed

You are a believer born again and yet you hear voices and you are possessed

OK, are you ready to be delivered?
ysGjmm648ds

turn it up to 11. dont blame me if your woofers crap out: you need better speakers

(or headphones, late late at night)

Winston001

10th June 2011, 20:53

Ah da hell with it - Just do what I told you :spanking:

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oneofsix

13th June 2011, 07:25

Well, staying with the OP, I found myself feeling offended by the said T-shirt and had to seriously ask myself ... why?

I think it is partly because of my upbringing and generational "standards" for the want of a better word!

I wouldn't want my Nanna to be confronted by one of those and I would want to protect her from any discomfort caused by it!

Neither the reference to Jesus nor the cunt word offends me, so why did I feel offended by it ... other than the generational thing, I have no idea!

We are a strange mixed up lot aren't we. :blink:

I hope it is not a generational thing though I do know what we find offensive changes as attitude change. I think it is the confrontation language, the attack on a person, real or imagined, and the attack on peoples belief systems. You know it was done to offend so it does and this is also why its supporters find it so attractive.

DMNTD

13th June 2011, 08:05

Hadn't noticed any Nazi stuff...

You gotta give Hitler his Jews

scumdog

13th June 2011, 08:12

Got to agree. Screams "look at me, I am so unique and individual I need a shirt like this to declare it". Retarded.

Yes, I suspect a lucid explanation from the wearer of the hoodie/t-shirt as to why that slogan appeals to them would be unlikely.

More likely the explanation would be "'cos it's cool eh".

As far as getting an explanation as to WHY it's cool?....:scratch:

superman

13th June 2011, 14:40

Yes, I suspect a lucid explanation from the wearer of the hoodie/t-shirt as to why that slogan appeals to them would be unlikely.

More likely the explanation would be "'cos it's cool eh".

As far as getting an explanation as to WHY it's cool?....:scratch:

One of my friends cousins had one of these shirts on at Big Day Out about 5 years ago when he was 14. I remember thinking it was awesome and cool, simply cause it was so offensive about things I got told you're not allowed to be offensive about. And when you've just become a teenager anything that gives you some power of offending those that control you is great! Not that anyone gave a shit at a venue like Big Day Out, don't think the guy would have worn it going shopping or anything.