Fluoro vests?

[jaffaonajappa]

ok, when are they going to start painting bikes in safety fluoro colours, with nice reflective stripes over the tank, and glittering sparkly tassel thingies that make you really Visible to motorists....and match them pretty fluoro vests everyones wearing.
Also, fluoro boots, leggings, and helmets. Ultra safe. Like a Durex.


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:lol:

[Big Dave]

Dear Public servant,

Please stop saving me.

Thank you,

BD.

[gwigs]

Im painting my bike in flourescent black.:yes:

[LBD]

ok, when are they going to start painting bikes in safety fluoro colours, with nice reflective stripes over the tank, and glittering sparkly tassel thingies that make you really Visible to motorists....and match them pretty fluoro vests everyones wearing.
Also, fluoro boots, leggings, and helmets. Ultra safe. Like a Durex.



Well the bike you describe sounds like a Harley......the rider, dare I say sounds like a ______________ rider....no?

[scracha]

ok, when are they going to start painting bikes in safety fluoro colours, with nice reflective stripes over the tank, and glittering sparkly

You're obviously too young to remember the lurid paintjobs the Japanese factories adorned their superbikes in the 90's. Think YZF750 or GSXR750WN.

[Voltaire]

I wear a Hi Viz vest riding....not reallly sure why as I used to pretend I was invisible..... now I'm Highly Invisible

[awa355]

ok, when are they going to start painting bikes in safety fluoro colours, with nice reflective stripes over the tank, and glittering sparkly tassel thingies that make you really Visible to motorists....and match them pretty fluoro vests everyones wearing.
Also, fluoro boots, leggings, and helmets. Ultra safe. Like a Durex.


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Good idea.

I have been pushing ACC for this sort of thing for some time now. They tell me if enough riders are keen enough, they will get a bill pushed thru parlament making fluro bikes compulsary.




So come on guys!!!! Lets do it. :lol::lol: Lets save ourselves. :drool::drool:

Just imagine,, no more "sorry mate. I didn't see you".

In stead it will be "sorry mate, gosh, my eyes were blinded by the dazzling colours, and so, I still didn't see you."

[Hawkeye]

Im painting my bike in flourescent black.:yes:

Isn't black the new flouro already :yes:

[roy.nz]

Ride with my Hi Vis all day everyday no matter what, anything to try be seen :rockon:

[Maha]

There is a time/place for a Fluoro vest, that, most would agree.
Not so much during the day..
Night riding though/in the rain, the only bit of you a following car can see is about 10sq inches of red tail light. Not enough in such conditions.

[oneofsix]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7gYNb3GSh4M/SbKdbO7bEgI/AAAAAAAALik/BB140y-h44E/s400/PinkMotorcycle.jpg

[Big Dave]

Moto Guzzi Le Mans had two fluoro strips on either side of the headlight in the 70's.

[spannermad]

So come on guys!!!! Lets do it. :lol::lol: Lets save ourselves. :drool::drool:

Just imagine,, no more "sorry mate. I didn't see you".

In stead it will be "sorry mate, gosh, my eyes were blinded by the dazzling colours, and so, I still didn't see you."

The trouble is the DICKS that "don`t see you", wouldn`t see you even if you were driving an aircraft carrier.
I had a Dick drive into my work ute 20 minutes ago. At a breakdown on the side of the road hazzard lights on, beacon on the roof on, on the sholder of the road, white BT50 now has the Right rear corner knocked in. F...ing RETARDS.

[Blackbird]

I only started wearing a flouro vest recently whilst I've been doing my IAM practical exams. I'm not sure whether I'm imagining it but other road users seem to be giving me a wider berth and coming up on them from behind, they seem keener to let me past. I actually wondered whether for a fleeting moment they think I'm a cop!

Whatever the reason, hope it continues. :2thumbsup

[Beren]

I wear my hi-viz voluntarily pretty much all the time... I think I have been spotted by a few cars that wouldn't definitely have seen it without. Also I am pretty sure that it makes some cars unsure at first glance in the mirror whether it is a copper or someone they can cut up when I am splitting - so it will deinifetly stay.

I still assume that I am invisible though... and love the phrase Highly Invisible :) I am sure we could argue a case that we become targets if we were too bright!

[Quasievil]

I wear Black on a black bike in a black helmet, you fluro wearing pussies are the ones that will get smashed up by a SMIDSY I look mean and they wont want to hit me or they will get smashed up

DONT FUCK WITH BLACK thats my motto, and its worked so far.

Ask yourselves who wears fluro ? roadworkers do thats who, they aint moving are they, you WILL be regarded as a stationery object by those that dont look properly which is most of them

BURN A FLURO TODAY

.

[mazz1972]

Ride with my Hi Vis all day everyday no matter what, anything to try be seen :rockon:


I only started wearing a flouro vest recently whilst I've been doing my IAM practical exams. I'm not sure whether I'm imagining it but other road users seem to be giving me a wider berth and coming up on them from behind, they seem keener to let me past. I actually wondered whether for a fleeting moment they think I'm a cop!

Whatever the reason, hope it continues. :2thumbsup


I wear my hi-viz voluntarily pretty much all the time... I think I have been spotted by a few cars that wouldn't definitely have seen it without. Also I am pretty sure that it makes some cars unsure at first glance in the mirror whether it is a copper or someone they can cut up when I am splitting - so it will deinifetly stay.

I still assume that I am invisible though... and love the phrase Highly Invisible :) I am sure we could argue a case that we become targets if we were too bright!

Great to see I'm in good company. Hubby and I have had quite a few comments about how much more visible we are wearing vests.

For those too tough to wear one, I hope you're also as tough when someone doesn't see you.

And no, I am not lulled into a false sense of security by wearing said vest, I just like to give myself a better chance of being seen.

[imdying]

I just like to give myself a better chance of being seen.They'll just pull out in front of you anyway.

[Morcs]

We have a few LS2 helmets that are flouro...

[Maha]

Great to see I'm in good company. Hubby and I have had quite a few comments about how much more visible we are wearing vests.

For those too tough to wear one, I hope you're also as tough when someone doesn't see you.

And no, I am not lulled into a false sense of security by wearing said vest, I just like to give myself a better chance of being seen.

Exactly right.
My wife leaves home in bad light and rides home after dark.
She has bought herself a decent fluoro (not one of those $12 road worker types) an Oxford one, cost about $70?...
Still pays to be vigilant during the day when there is more traffic to contend with.
Some people dont even see red flashing lights!
But at night, thats when they come into there own...your tail light is all you have to alert other road users that there is a bike in front of them.

[thepom]

s how much of a difference is there? is it the quality or the fit?

[Maha]

s how much of a difference is there? is it the quality or the fit?

An Oxford one....?...both quality and fit.
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/552-reflectivefluoro_gear/3629-oxford_reflective_active_brigh.aspx

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm with Quasi & Mr Henry Ford any colour as long as it's black!!! :cool:
I definitely prefer to steer well clear of the "hit me I'm here" vests for my own safety... & awesomeness!!! :Punk:

[awa355]

[QUOTE=Beren;113008635

I still assume that I am invisible though... and love the phrase Highly Invisible :) I am sure we could argue a case that we become targets if we were too bright![/QUOTE]

That is the only way to think, 'nobody can see me'

I wear a Hi Viz vest all the time and it still doesn't stop dumb drivers from 'not seeing me'.

Three times in Hamilton lately, drivers have either not seen me, or tried to get across the roundabout ahead of me.

Mind you, this was Hamilton, anywhere else on the planet I might have been seen.

As I have said before, from the side, headlights and vests do stuff all to catch anyones attention.

[Fatt Max]

Did I read / hear somewhere that from the fornt the 'visibility-ness' of a high vis vest is greatly affected by the headlight of the motorcycle...???.

I'm all for being seen but, as others have said, you still have to ride in a safe and responsible way as per usual.

Mind you, apart from the time when I did get smacked, all of my three 'near misses' were as a result of a driver getting sunstrike. What fucking good is a high viz there?

[rickstv]

Ask yourselves who wears fluro ? roadworkers do thats who, they aint moving are they, you WILL be regarded as a stationery object by those that dont look properly which is most of them

BURN A FLURO TODAY

.

Thats what worries me too, I've often wondered if people see flouro and assume it's a worker on the side of the road, not me coming at them at the speed limit. I still wear flouro as I leave for work before sunrise.

I think if too many of us wear it, a do gooder MP may push for legislation to make it compulsory.

Just my thoughts.
Rick.

[Quasievil]

If they cant see me with my lights on and my mass there is no hope no matter what Im wearing a stoopid fluro "gay" vest aint going to make fuck all difference.

to many bikers are going to homoville to be saved by the establishment !

:nya:

[Fatt Max]

If they cant see me with my lights on and my mass there is no hope no matter what Im wearing

Funny enough, thats exactly what the cops said to the lady that ran into me (He's not a particulary small person, how did you not see him...)

Fat Bastards Against Hi Viz.......or, Fat Bastards Dont Need Hi Viz

I feel a T shirt coming on......

[Maha]

Did I read / hear somewhere that from the fornt the 'visibility-ness' of a high vis vest is greatly affected by the headlight of the motorcycle...???.

I'm all for being seen but, as others have said, you still have to ride in a safe and responsible way as per usual.

Mind you, apart from the time when I did get smacked, all of my three 'near misses' were as a result of a driver getting sunstrike. What fucking good is a high viz there?

The argument against fluoro vests being effect during daylight hours has merit.
Ok if you are leading a protest ride etc (even Quasi wore one then)


Cats eyes/road markers on the road, non-effective during the day right?
At night though, thats when they are most effective..fluoro vests work the same way.
At the end of the day you either wear one or you dont.

[Scuba_Steve]

Did I read / hear somewhere that from the fornt the 'visibility-ness' of a high vis vest is greatly affected by the headlight of the motorcycle...???.

I'm all for being seen but, as others have said, you still have to ride in a safe and responsible way as per usual.

Mind you, apart from the time when I did get smacked, all of my three 'near misses' were as a result of a driver getting sunstrike. What fucking good is a high viz there?

Max if your not being seen, your not eating enough pies. Now stop all this interwebbing & get back to eating your pies! :spanking: :lol:

[Big Dave]

Max if your not being seen, your not eating enough pies. Now stop all this interwebbing & get back to eating your pies! :spanking: :lol:

Objective should be DIY eclipse.

[Swoop]

I am not lulled into a false sense of security by wearing said vest, I just like to give myself a better chance of being seen.
So, have you painted your entire bike in fluoro colours?

[Blackbird]

If they cant see me with my lights on and my mass there is no hope no matter what Im wearing a stoopid fluro "gay" vest aint going to make fuck all difference.

to many bikers are going to homoville to be saved by the establishment !

:nya:

Wearing or not wearing flouro vests is only a small part of the safety equation anyway IMHO. It's the dumbasses who think they know it all and never refresh or upskill their roadcraft abilities that have a great effect on our insurance and ACC premiums.

[javawocky]

Floro is for Losers! http://static.blogo.it/twowheelsblog/valentino-rossis-ducati-gp11-01/1.jpg :girlfight:

[Maha]

Wearing or not wearing flouro vests is only a small part of the safety equation anyway IMHO. It's the dumbasses who think they know it all and never refresh or upskill their roadcraft abilities that have a great effect on our insurance and ACC premiums.

Best thing I have read in very long time on here...and oh so true.
Once you start thinking you have got it all covered, you are in the deepest of shit.

[Maha]

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[Quasievil]

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It would help more if he turned his lights on.

[Maha]

It would help more if he turned his lights on.

Yes of cause, that 8-10sq inches would really make a difference.
You cant argue that a Hi Viz does not work well at night.

[p.dath]

It's just a vest. Easy to wear and use.

Probably doesn't make that much difference during the day, but they definitely stand out more at night and in low light.

If your concerned, wear one. If not, don't bother. Is it that hard?

[Quasievil]

to be serious for a moment (occasionally I am not often however)

I dont mind what riders do, why should I we all do what we can as individuals to protect ourselves and so we should.

My issue Alone is if they make this a legal requirement, that I have a MAJOR problem with.
But like rego, I will ignore it , suffer the consequences yes, but Im a NZr and my duty is to say no to the dum laws.

[jaffaonajappa]

Theres some ultra light sensitive 3M Reflective strips on lots of textile gear - these work ok at night. Good on bicycles and running shoes etc......but they only work well in very low light level situations. If the street lights are on, the reflective strips make only a smallll increase in your profile.

Perhaps having some kind of wide band reflective strip is sensible for night riding. In some conditions certainly.

But the fluoro thing, arghhhhh.

Makes me wonder...how the hell did any motorcyclists survive the 70's, 80's and 90's? They didnt have fluroro vests - but they survived? makes no sense.....

[Fatt Max]

Makes me wonder...how the hell did any motorcyclists survive the 70's, 80's and 90's? They didnt have fluroro vests - but they survived? makes no sense.....

Well, there are a few on here who would say 'no they didnt, people were still being knocked off in the 70's, 80's and 90's' and that is a fair comment because it is true.

Were the majority of accidents avoidable because they were not wearing a hi viz? Probably not but hey, those stats are fucked anyway.

IMHO, the best way is to improve riding skills and overall awareness on the roads, hi viz or not. Take personal responsibility for you, your bike and your riding.

Imagine 20 years down the track when Hi Viz is possibly legal and someone is knocked off their bike. The first person to be sued would be the vest manufacturer because 'it was not visible my lud...'.

The responsibility for the rider behaving like a twat would not even come into it and once agin the only winners are the fecking lawyers.

Personal responsibility I reckon, but hey........

[The Singing Chef]

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I thought that was a home remake of Tron. :killingme

[Mokadah]

I also wear black on a black bike, and suspect there may be something to the intimidation theory. The balaclava and black sunnies underneath the helmet may also help.

Mind you I almost never need to ride at night. YMMV.

[Maha]

Very cool from HD...


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Reflective gear does not have to be naff.

[jaffaonajappa]

Very cool from HD...


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Reflective gear does not have to be naff.

the pocket on the back is for your backup hand gun.......for when the HD riders see you in the vest...

[z500nz]

It's just a vest. Easy to wear and use.

Probably doesn't make that much difference during the day, but they definitely stand out more at night and in low light.

If your concerned, wear one. If not, don't bother. Is it that hard?

Like he says, what's the issue? It's your choice ... at this time anyway.

Just don't moan about drivers not seeing your body size and black clothes if you get flattened by a car coming out of a side street at night - because your rear light and headlight are even less effective from the side!

Just think of the last time you had to dodge a pedestrian/jogger who was crossing the road at night, while dressed all in black, or a cyclist with no lights because they expect you to see them in the streetlights!

[Fatt Max]

Very cool from HD...

Reflective gear does not have to be naff.

Wow, that means you will be able to see the Harley riders wave at night as well......oh, hang on......ermm...

[Fatt Max]

Just think of the last time you had to dodge a pedestrian/jogger who was crossing the road at night, while dressed all in black

Where I come from, a 'pedestrian or jogger' on the road at night dressed in black usually has your TV, laptop or microwave under his arm. Run the fuckers over I say and do your bit to lower the crime rate.....

[imdying]

The blade has running lights in the mirrors. LED, so very white, and very bright, everyone comments on them. I would fully encourage everybody to give them (LED market lights spaced as far apart as you can get) some considerations. Sure not to everyones taste, but you're a long time dead. I would put good money on them being waaay more likely to save your arse than a fluro jacket.

[Voltaire]

Makes me wonder...how the hell did any motorcyclists survive the 70's, 80's and 90's? They didnt have fluroro vests - but they survived? makes no sense.....

I wonder that too having rode in the 80's and 90's..... car stereos were less loud.... cars less powerful....Less mobile phones.... I used to ride round London but I don't like riding in Auckland traffic.... too much lane changing and random U turns. Once grid lock arrives it should improve.

[Hitcher]

There is a time/place for a Fluoro vest, that, most would agree.
Not so much during the day..
Night riding though/in the rain, the only bit of you a following car can see is about 10sq inches of red tail light. Not enough in such conditions.

I'd only agree in conditions where the rider wasn't wearing a backpack, carrying a pillion or hiding behind a top box. The most visible any rider wearing fluoro is is to themselves in the mirror when they're taking stock of how sexy they look before heading out for a ride.

Even then I wouldn't agree very strongly because, to the nearest significant number, fuck all motorcycles are rear-ended at night, even when it's raining.

[varminter]

The blade has running lights in the mirrors. LED, so very white, and very bright, everyone comments on them. I would fully encourage everybody to give them (LED market lights spaced as far apart as you can get) some considerations. Sure not to everyones taste, but you're a long time dead. I would put good money on them being waaay more likely to save your arse than a fluro jacket.

I've been looking for something like that, where did you get 'em?

[wingnutt]

when I came back to riding i started on a goldwing which had 5 forward running lights, and four rear running lights. the gear I has night lighting, I was astounded that the dip sticks still didn't see me! I mean the bike isn't exactly small either.

Only defensive riding saved me many a time.

I added two spot lights to the front, problem solved, still the occasional blind twerp, but mostly its great.

so no I wont wear a fluro, and if acc smith trys to force me, Ill give one back to him all cut up nicley to fit in his letterbox

[Geeen]

I don't think it matters if you wear one of not, People wont see you of they don't look in the first place. My jacket has reflective lettering on it and my lights are farkin bright even on dip. Still see heap of people pulling out without looking, they do it to me when I'm in my big black work van with the lights on as well. We just have to be super aware of our surroundings and assume no has seen us.

[jaffaonajappa]

I don't think it matters if you wear one of not, People wont see you of they don't look in the first place. My jacket has reflective lettering on it and my lights are farkin bright even on dip. Still see heap of people pulling out without looking, they do it to me when I'm in my big black work van with the lights on as well. We just have to be super aware of our surroundings and assume no has seen us.

+1.
I like this version bestestest

[Old Steve]

I'll take any added advantage I can get.

However, I'm aware that irrespective of what I'm wearing, my safety is my own responsibility. Ride safe, first and last.

So I wear a yellow fluoro vest. I also ride with my headlight on high beam during the day - to hell with aggrevating other motorists, they have to see me to be aggrevated! I have also taken the baffles out of my exhausts - OK maybe only 1% of motorists will have their windows down and hear me but I'll take every single percentage point if it makes me less likely to be knocked off.

My wife drove behind me in an urban street one night, she stopped and watched me ride down the road. She could see me in my fluoro vest in her headlights and under the street lights for 1.5 km.

There is some data that points to motorists ignoring orange safety vests because they see them but process the image as that of a road cone or other static safety marking. Go fluoro yellow!

[FatHead]

I wear one of these http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/123907-Lumivest-safety-vest-Review and I get a lot of space using that other lane on wellington motorway and am sure I get mistaken for a cop every now and then.

I wear one because like others on here I am trying to be a bigger more visible blob on the road. If I could I would paint my bike Flouro Yellow and have a big red flashy light both sides (not that that would make everyone see you, try following a ambulance and see how many times they have to brake hard because some fucktard has not seen or heard them coming). If you dont want to wear one I DONT CARE but I wish they would bring down the ACC for anyone who does and see how many put one on!!!!!!

I too ride expecting I have been covered with an invisibility cloak and no other motorist has seen me and have so far only had one incident where a taxi turned in front of me when I was a lot younger and managed to get away with a broken finger and bruised knee.

My 2 cents

[Hitcher]

My 2 cents

You may want to edit the title of your post, if you want people to take you seriously.

[jaffaonajappa]

edit - arghhhh -

My 2 cents


damnnit.....

[FatHead]

You may want to edit the title of your post, if you want people to take you seriously.

Yeah I did get a bit carried away didn't I. Amended as suggested oh wise one.

[swbarnett]

I wear a Hi Viz vest riding....not reallly sure why as I used to pretend I was invisible..... now I'm Highly Invisible
If you're only wearing one by default please don't. The more riders that wear them the more likely they are to become compulsory. Personally, I like my all black bike and gear (except for the dragon covered helmet).

[swbarnett]

Night riding though/in the rain, the only bit of you a following car can see is about 10sq inches of red tail light. Not enough in such conditions.
The only way this is different to a car is that they have two 10sq inch lights. Besides, with a black top box a vest isn't going to do me much good from behind.

[swbarnett]

I only started wearing a flouro vest recently whilst I've been doing my IAM practical exams. I'm not sure whether I'm imagining it but other road users seem to be giving me a wider berth and coming up on them from behind, they seem keener to let me past. I actually wondered whether for a fleeting moment they think I'm a cop!

Whatever the reason, hope it continues. :2thumbsup
More than likely you're riding differently. I get the same without a vest. Although with me it could be the unbaffled Yoshi, dual +50 headlights and hazard lights while lane splitting.

[jazfender]

lookin forward to the weekend, weekend

240799

[Maha]

The only way this is different to a car is that they have two 10sq inch lights. Besides, with a black top box a vest isn't going to do me much good from behind.

Sure, and if you wear a rain suit over the top it wont be much good either..:confused:
Hang on, doesn't matter, your top box has a refective strip as do most jackets/back packs and rain suits.

[gwigs]

Very cool from HD...


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Reflective gear does not have to be naff.

Epic Fail still looks Naff.....:lol:

[Maha]

Epic Fail still looks Naff.....:lol:

I would sell my Honda so I could getn' 'arley just so I could buy one of them....from ghay to naff in a week...:2thumbsup

[caseye]

What, is that an admission? te he he.
Ya wood knot and ewe no it.Nonda's are great tractors suk. I have to say that the wife's got a nonda now.

[raftn]

Wearing or not wearing flouro vests is only a small part of the safety equation anyway IMHO. It's the dumbasses who think they know it all and never refresh or upskill their roadcraft abilities that have a great effect on our insurance and ACC premiums.

Well said Geoff. Like you I have only taken to wearing one after some rider training, Personally it does not bother me, and if it saves me on only a few occasions during my riding life then it is worth it. The reality is that it is up to us to improve our skills, and defensive riding habits, a fluro vest is not a fail safe alternative to good training.

[mazz1972]

So, have you painted your entire bike in fluoro colours?

No, have you?

My bike is black, hence I choose wear a hi viz vest.

[mazz1972]

If you're only wearing one by default please don't. The more riders that wear them the more likely they are to become compulsory.

I wear mine by default and will continue to do so :wings:

[Swoop]

No, have you?

My bike is black, hence I choose wear a hi viz vest.
If you are so concerned with being seen then painting your bike would be a sensible thing to do.


My bike will stay black as will my attire. Fluoro can fuck off.

[Maha]

What, is that an admission? te he he.
Ya wood knot and ewe no it.Nonda's are great tractors suk. I have to say that the wife's got a nonda now.

Yeah na not quite ready for a Harley yet Mark.
I get everything I want out of motorcycling with the CB and it will take something special for me to change.

[mazz1972]

If you are so concerned with being seen then painting your bike would be a sensible thing to do.

My bike will stay black as will my attire. Fluoro can fuck off.

I said I just like to give myself a better chance of being seen, I never said I was concerned.

[swbarnett]

Visual Proof
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That proves nothing.

People don't see us because they don't look! It matters not how bright you are unless you're in the habit of riding without lights on a moonless night on unlit roads.

Besides, put a black top box behind and a bright headlight in front and that jacket means nothing even to those that do look for us.

Another thought just occured to me - if a car's headlights are shining on the torso of a rider they're set way too high.

[swbarnett]

You cant argue that a Hi Viz does not work well at night.
I will accept that you can't argue against the fact that a Hi Viz at night is very bright given that the light shon on it is exactly at the right angle and the view of it isn't obstructed.

I will argue that it makes little or no difference if the offending driver is not looking for you in the first place.

[swbarnett]

Like he says, what's the issue? It's your choice ... at this time anyway.

Just don't moan about drivers not seeing your body size and black clothes if you get flattened by a car coming out of a side street at night - because your rear light and headlight are even less effective from the side!
This is my problem. This very attitude is what will lead to them becoming a legal requirement. I don't give a shit if you wear it, that's your choice. I choose not to. The least I expect is that those that wear them will respect my right to make that decision for myself. As I respect your right to decide for yourself.

[swbarnett]

I also ride with my headlight on high beam during the day - to hell with aggrevating other motorists,
Forget aggrevating, try blinding. Those of us with sensitive eyes don't stand a chance against a high beam. Even a 4WD on dip is a problem if I catch it straight in the mirror.

[Maha]

That proves nothing.

People don't see us because they don't look! It matters not how bright you are unless you're in the habit of riding without lights on a moonless night on unlit roads.

Besides, put a black top box behind and a bright headlight in front and that jacket means nothing even to those that do look for us.

Another thought just occured to me - if a car's headlights are shining on the torso of a rider they're set way too high.

Yeah you're right I am wrong, thanks for your comment.

[swbarnett]

Hang on, doesn't matter, your top box has a refective strip as do most jackets/back packs and rain suits.
Not mine. A silver patch but not reflective. And my rain suit is straight yellow PVC (and dirty at that).

[swbarnett]

I wear mine by default and will continue to do so :wings:
So what you're saying is that you don't think it will help but you wear it anyway? :weird:

[Mom]

Fuck off! Why would I want to look like a road cone?

Orange fluro is everywhere on the road, I want a point of difference :yes:

Yellow fluro is also everywhere, lots of workers wear it now, it is not unique, I want a point of difference :yes:

We are told we should wear Hi Viz for safety sake, apparently wearing it makes us safer on the road? I disagree, in a really LARGE way!

Fluro, HI VIZ vests are dime a dozen, you can buy them every where, ACC even give the things away free. I work in a office, where the most dangerous thing that can happen to me is a paper cut, or a bruise to my arm off the protruding lock on the ladies in the foyer :o, and there is a yellow fluro vest hanging up for the Fire Warden to don in the event of the fire alarm going off.

[MadDuck]

there is a yellow fluro vest hanging up for the Fire Warden to don in the event of the fire alarm going off.

Useful for tornados passing through as well I would have thought. Our fire wardens have orange ones...damn they look so sexy :lol:

[Mom]

So what you're saying is that you don't think it will help but you wear it anyway? :weird:

Read my post above, to get a guage on where I stand with the fluro vest issue. I will go postal if there is ever a move to make these things compulsory, however...

I am currently commuting in very low light/dusk/dark conditions. My commute is 100kms round trip, give or take. I have no problem out on the open road, the majority of my commute, but I have some "traffic" to negotiate close to work.

I need to be more visible :yes: Some of these wankers I share a road with have NO respect for 2 wheeled road users. I am invisible. After getting pissed off with a few close calls, I spent some money on a decent vest. It is so bright it almost gives a headache looking at it in daylight, putting light on it in low light/dark situations about sears the eyeballs. I dare anyone to miss "seeing me", though am taking insurance out on that score and am about to install LED riding lights to make me look less like a nothing, and more like a WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT? in the dark :sunny:

I wear what I want to make me feel safe and happy on the road. Fluro is not the answer. Everyone wears it these days. Really "vomit inducing" reflective tape has its merits, in certain circumstances, just dont MAKE me wear it!

[Mom]

Useful for tornados passing through as well I would have thought. Our fire wardens have orange ones...damn they look so sexy :lol:

I had a bit of a struggle with myself before investing money in a decent vest. Never in a million years I would have bought one ordinarily, such is my opposition to them. Blind Auckland car drivers changed that reasonablt quickly. Having said that, I have many downstairs, from various protest rides :rofl:

[swbarnett]

I had a bit of a struggle with myself before investing money in a decent vest. Never in a million years I would have bought one ordinarily, such is my opposition to them. Blind Auckland car drivers changed that reasonablt quickly.
Does it appear to have made a difference?

[MIXONE]

Does it appear to have made a difference?

Did for me.The first morning commute wearing one 3 drivers tried to kill me.I thought it must have had a target on it.

[jaffaonajappa]

This:


Did for me.The first morning commute wearing one 3 drivers tried to kill me.I thought it must have had a target on it.

Is Gold.
+1

[Swoop]

I said I just like to give myself a better chance of being seen, I never said I was concerned.
If you are wearing a hi-viz vest then you must be concerned enough to wear it.

Yellow fluro is also everywhere, lots of workers wear it now, it is not unique
How true this comment is.
Yesterday I watched a bloke cutting the top out of a tree in the neighbour's back yard.
Only this one person working. Nobody else around anywhere.
He climbs the tree with a handsaw to do the job. What was he wearing?

Fucking hi-viz.

Totally pointless unless he was trying to alert birds to not land in the tree.

[p.dath]

Z
People don't see us because they don't look! It matters not how bright you are unless you're in the habit of riding without lights on a moonless night on unlit roads.

It is easy to accept that some accidents happen because riders are not seen, and that a fluro vest will make no difference. However this is not the reason for every accident when a rider gets hit by a car.

So the question is, what percentage of the accidents will it make a difference. Each rider effectively makes this assessment for themselves. And if they think that number is big enough to take into consideration, they will take the step of wearing a vest - something that requires almost no effort at all.

[imac]

Last weekend I watched the popo with lights and siren following a cage for a good 2 ks. It wasn’t until the police car pulled up slightly ahead of the cage and practically forced them off the road that they noticed anything.
If they can’t see or hear blues and twos right behind them, what chance do we have

[ckai]

Last weekend I watched the popo with lights and siren following a cage for a good 2 ks. It wasn’t until the police car pulled up slightly ahead of the cage and practically forced them off the road that they noticed anything.
If they can’t see or hear blues and twos right behind them, what chance do we have

This is a good point. Watched an ambo come up behind a car lights blazing sitting slightly off to the side (not directly behind). The ambo followed for ages with not 1 but 3 blasts of the sirens! The 3rd time a horn blast was added and only then did sleepyhead move over! I had caught up by this stage they were going so slow.

[oneofsix]

This is a good point. Watched an ambo come up behind a car lights blazing sitting slightly off to the side (not directly behind). The ambo followed for ages with not 1 but 3 blasts of the sirens! The 3rd time a horn blast was added and only then did sleepyhead move over! I had caught up by this stage they were going so slow.

good sound system, "whata is behinda me is a not a my problem" attitude to that rearview mirror (read make-up mirror), and generally a self centered prick.

[mazz1972]

If you are wearing a hi-viz vest then you must be concerned enough to wear it.


And your point is?

[Maha]

If you are wearing a hi-viz vest then you must be concerned enough to wear it.


Thats the way Ambo/Police/Fire/USAR view it.

[Swoop]

And your point is?
The contrasting viewpoints you have happening.
You ride a black bike.
Yet wear a hi-viz vest to be "seen".
If you want to be "seen" even more, paint the bike and deck yourself from head to toe in dayglo.


A previous employer decked himself out in luminescence from head to toe (including reflective ankle bands, had flashing lights all over him.
Guess what happened...

[phill-k]

I wear Black on a black bike in a black helmet, you fluro wearing pussies are the ones that will get smashed up by a SMIDSY I look mean and they wont want to hit me or they will get smashed up

DONT FUCK WITH BLACK thats my motto, and its worked so far.

Ask yourselves who wears fluro ? roadworkers do thats who, they aint moving are they, you WILL be regarded as a stationery object by those that dont look properly which is most of them

BURN A FLURO TODAY

.

Well bugger I never thought I would agree with something you posted but your post is most profound young man, I have noticed that a. those wearing floro have a special wave and b. they always look away when a non floro passes

[jaffaonajappa]

those wearing floro have a special wave

You mean that "Im SAFE so I can wave with both hands" special wave....?

[Oblivion]

You mean that "Im SAFE so I can wave with both hands" special wave....?

OMG HI TO YOU!!!!!!!!! :lol:

[FJRider]

... something that requires almost no effort at all.

OR ... the "SOMETHING that requires NO effort at all ... option ..

but hey ... its a free country ... isn't it ... ???

[varminter]

I assume this is Katmans transatlantic cousin http://www.examiner.com/motorcycle-travel-in-denver/good-commentary-re-hi-viz. Got to agree with it though.

[Old Steve]

I ride like my life depends on it, and it does doesn't it.

I was doing a defensive driving talk through as I rode to work yesterday, saying all the hazards to myself as I rode along. I found I couldn't speak fast enough to keep up with parked cars, side roads, painted markings on the road, changes in the road condition, other traffic.

So I ride as safely as I can.

But if wearing a fluoro vest increases my chances of survival by one millionth of one percent, then I wear one.

All you others don't have to wear one if you don't want to, and I'd spew if it was even considered to make wearing them compulsory. To paraphrase Descartes (I think) ...

"I disagree with your decision not to wear a fluoro vest, but defend to the death your right not to wear one."

[jaffaonajappa]

"i disagree with your decision not to wear a fluoro vest, but defend to the death your right not to wear one."

respect.
+1

[imac]

I ride like my life depends on it, and it does doesn't it.

I was doing a defensive driving talk through as I rode to work yesterday, saying all the hazards to myself as I rode along. I found I couldn't speak fast enough to keep up with parked cars, side roads, painted markings on the road, changes in the road condition, other traffic.

So I ride as safely as I can.

But if wearing a fluoro vest increases my chances of survival by one millionth of one percent, then I wear one.

All you others don't have to wear one if you don't want to, and I'd spew if it was even considered to make wearing them compulsory. To paraphrase Descartes (I think) ...

"I disagree with your decision not to wear a fluoro vest, but defend to the death your right not to wear one."

Word Bro. However with fluros we will begin see a transference of responsibility. “I didn’t seem him because he wasn’t wearing a vest therefore it is his fault and not mine your honour”. It’s a bit like that with yer head lights, if for some reason your light is not on, it’s now officially your fault for getting smashed.

[jaffaonajappa]

if for some reason your light is not on, it’s now officially your fault for getting smashed.

Almost....and I do get cops want to talk to me about my Suzuki for this reason...and I also get bikers waving to remind me my lights are off. But. Pre 1980 bikes, lights do not have to be switched on. (As the riders always are.)

[ukusa]

Hi ves vests don't work! Those EQC bastards wear them & after 3 major earthquakes I'm yet to see one!:mad:

[swbarnett]

A wise man once said:

So the question is, what percentage of the accidents will it make a difference. Each rider effectively makes this assessment for themselves. And if they think that number is big enough to take into consideration, they will take the step of wearing a vest.
And if it stays this way I don't have a problem. I worry that if too many bikers give hi-vis vests too much credit they will become a legal requirement.

[NONONO]

The French police has been instructed to take action against the usage of radar detection devices. Since more than 4 million speed detection devices have been sold in France over the last few years, many road users are affected by this decision.

Last week French Minister of the interior Claude Guéant announced that all electronic devices, even smart phones and GPS systems, will be banned in case they are able to warn of radar speed checks. Sanctions are draconian and might go up to 30.000 Euros or 2 years prison for the sale of such devices while its usage will be punished by a fine of 1.500 Euros plus the loss of 6 points of the French traffic account system.

Apart from that there are more threats French riders are facing: mandatory wearing of fluorescent jacket on a motorcycle at all time, the fitting of much larger than normal registration plates, and Making filtering in traffic jams illegal, complete the picture.

After many unsuccessful attempts to turn the situation around FFMC has decided to cut all communication channels with the French government and to take the streets instead.

FFMC explains: "not all the users of two-, three- or four-wheel vehicles are criminals and they disapprove of being treated as if they were. They don't accept any longer that road safety figures are being manipulated and referred to out of context. They don't accept the growing criminalization of ordinary citizens and they don't accept any longer the neglect of the real causes threatening road users".

http://www.fema-online.eu/index.php?page=demonstrations-in-france

Coming to a town near you soon ish.
Now where are those bikers rights groups when you need them..:lol:

[NONONO]

And, since Dec 6 201o in Ireland.

Motorcyclists with learner permits are required to display L-plates on a yellow fluorescent high visibility tabard. (A tabard is a bib or sleeveless outer garment with open side-seams). The letter 'L' must be at least 15cm in height on a white background and must be to the front and rear of your torso. It is a criminal offence for learner motorcyclists not to display L plates. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/learner_driving_permits_for_motorcycles_in_ireland .html

[oneofsix]

And, since Dec 6 201o in Ireland.

Motorcyclists with learner permits are required to display L-plates on a yellow fluorescent high visibility tabard. (A tabard is a bib or sleeveless outer garment with open side-seams). The letter 'L' must be at least 15cm in height on a white background and must be to the front and rear of your torso. It is a criminal offence for learner motorcyclists not to display L plates. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/learner_driving_permits_for_motorcycles_in_ireland .html

Criminal offence is a bit harsh but it overcomes the problem of where to attach the L-plate and how many broken L-plates do you see on NZ bikes? Those that bother with the hassle of attaching them that is. The vest would make for easier identification of the target :p

[mazz1972]

The contrasting viewpoints you have happening.
You ride a black bike.
Yet wear a hi-viz vest to be "seen".
If you want to be "seen" even more, paint the bike and deck yourself from head to toe in dayglo.

A previous employer decked himself out in luminescence from head to toe (including reflective ankle bands, had flashing lights all over him.
Guess what happened...

Why are you so dogmatic?

I haven't always had a black bike, but I have almost always worn a hi viz vest.

I wear it so I have a little more chance of being seen, but I don't take it as a given that everyone will see me.

End of story.

[mazz1972]

I ride like my life depends on it, and it does doesn't it.

I was doing a defensive driving talk through as I rode to work yesterday, saying all the hazards to myself as I rode along. I found I couldn't speak fast enough to keep up with parked cars, side roads, painted markings on the road, changes in the road condition, other traffic.

So I ride as safely as I can.

But if wearing a fluoro vest increases my chances of survival by one millionth of one percent, then I wear one.

All you others don't have to wear one if you don't want to, and I'd spew if it was even considered to make wearing them compulsory. To paraphrase Descartes (I think) ...

"I disagree with your decision not to wear a fluoro vest, but defend to the death your right not to wear one."

Well said young man :clap:

[varminter]

All you others don't have to wear one if you don't want to, and I'd spew if it was even considered to make wearing them compulsory. To paraphrase Descartes (I think) ...

"I disagree with your decision not to wear a fluoro vest, but defend to the death your right not to wear one."[/QUOTE]

Nah mate, I'm sure it was Emanuel Kant. In fact I remember saying "hey Manny, wocha fink of floorow vests mate"

[Teflon]

I don't see the point in them.. I notice the headlights or the motorcycle's tail lights before the knob jockey wearing a fluoro vest

I am invisible, and i expect every cunt to pull out in front of me.. because of this, i ride defensively

[Berries]

No offence to all those who wear them as life savers, but fuck hi-viz.


I am invisible, and i expect every cunt to pull out in front of me.. because of this, i ride defensively
Exactly.

And fuck hi-viz once again.

[jaffaonajappa]

And fuck hi-viz once again.

Ok, I guess you mean you wouldnt wear the Yellow Hi Viz OR an orange high viz vests.
:dodge:

[NONONO]

All you others don't have to wear one if you don't want to, and I'd spew if it was even considered to make wearing them compulsory. To paraphrase Descartes (I think) ...

"I disagree with your decision not to wear a fluoro vest, but defend to the death your right not to wear one."

Nah mate, I'm sure it was Emanuel Kant. In fact I remember saying "hey Manny, wocha fink of floorow vests mate"[/QUOTE]

Nah, was Voltaire, rode an old Square 4. Think Kant must have had the quote in a pub quiz and thought he'd pinch it. Known for it Kant was.

Voltie also said "It's dangerous to be right, when the government is wrong". Knew a thing or two Voltaire did.

Anyway, don't think it will be too long before this for or against argument will just be academic. Floro vests and nice big L (front and back) will just be the law.

[jaffaonajappa]

Anyway, don't think it will be too long before this for or against argument will just be academic. Floro vests and nice big L (front and back) will just be the law.

Theres going to be one Huuuuge problem if they make fluoro vests compulsory.
Some clubs (and all gangs) are going to have some issues with it, which will give the poleece some problems. Would feel sorry for the cruiser brigade most of all - them guys with the leather vests and 19,000 rally badges attached.

Wonder if theyd pin the badges to their fluoro vests?

[Maha]

Compulsory vest wearing is not (and never will be) an issue for those who ride motorbikes. Its mostly in the heads of a select few that picked up on a notion thrown out there a few months ago by someone.

Its such a non issue that it relates, all to well, to a whole raft of motorcycle drama queen propaganda.

[jaffaonajappa]

Compulsory vest wearing is not (and never will be) an issue for those who ride motorbikes. Its mostly in the heads of a select few that picked up on a notion thrown out there a few months ago by someone.

Its such a non issue that it relates, all to well, to a whole raft of motorcycle drama queen propaganda.

Im not so sure about that to be honest.
My workplace just had them forced upon us, new more PC ways of interpreting OSH shyte. If ACC types pluck even more bullshit twisted stats out their asses, and told the public 'fluoro vests will saves us $50M per year and reduce the road toll by 6 pa. Legislation would ramp up.

Some basic analysis would show vests have at least the potential to save someones skin at one point or another.....theres an argument they could present to Save us from ourselves.

Perhaps we could get a rally to parliament and sign a petition about it. The last outing worked well yes?

I guess......what Im getting at. Never assume your safe, either on the road, or with a PC bunch in gubbermint.

[NONONO]

Compulsory vest wearing is not (and never will be) an issue for those who ride motorbikes. Its mostly in the heads of a select few that picked up on a notion thrown out there a few months ago by someone.

Its such a non issue that it relates, all to well, to a whole raft of motorcycle drama queen propaganda.

Sorry mate, in what way is it "not (and never will be) an issue for those who ride motorcycles"?
It's certainly an issue for bikers in a lot of other countries. Did you mean it's not an issue in good ol NZ? Is that because this, and previous, governments are so interested in our thoughts that they listen to us?
Can't happen here eh?:lol:

[Maha]

Im not so sure about that to be honest.
My workplace just had them forced upon us, new more PC ways of interpreting OSH shyte. If ACC types pluck even more bullshit twisted stats out their asses, and told the public 'fluoro vests will saves us $50M per year and reduce the road toll by 6 pa. Legislation would ramp up.

Some basic analysis would show vests have at least the potential to save someones skin at one point or another.....theres an argument they could present to Save us from ourselves.

Perhaps we could get a rally to parliament and sign a petition about it. The last outing worked well yes?

I guess......what Im getting at. Never assume your safe, either on the road, or with a PC bunch in gubbermint.

In the work place yes, enforce it but this thread (your thread) is not about Hi Viz in the work place is it?
It has turned into a personal choice thread about whether you beleive in them and or, would wear one while out riding.


Sorry mate, in what way is it "not (and never will be) an issue for those who ride motorcycles"?
It's certainly an issue for bikers in a lot of other countries. Did you mean it's not an issue in good ol NZ? Is that because this, and previous, governments are so interested in our thoughts that they listen to us?
Can't happen here eh?:lol:

Its not an issue Phil, point me in the right direction where there has been any such comment made by the Government to the contrary?

[jaffaonajappa]

In the work place yes, enforce it but this thread (your thread) is not about Hi Viz in the work place is it?


There is little difference IMO between in the workplace, and on the roads.
Theres groups making rules and forcing them apon us, regardless of what we want to do.
My workplace, zero incidents or accidents in many years. Little chance of any occuring either. Safety committee reevaluate where they could possibly improve 'anything' and came up with this hair brained idea. Told the boss it costs perhaps $200 bucks to initiate, and 'could potentially prevent an accident'. Bingo, its pushed apon us. We play dress-ups at work....Employer can sleep well thinking its a "responsible" employer.

Whats to stop ACC/LTSA deciding similar is required on our roads? aka Ireland / learner req's?

[Maha]

There is little difference IMO between in the workplace, and on the roads.
Theres groups making rules and forcing them apon us, regardless of what we want to do.
My workplace, zero incidents or accidents in many years. Little chance of any occuring either. Safety committee reevaluate where they could possibly improve 'anything' and came up with this hair brained idea. Told the boss it costs perhaps $200 bucks to initiate, and 'could potentially prevent an accident'. Bingo, its pushed apon us. We play dress-ups at work....Employer can sleep well thinking its a "responsible" employer.

Whats to stop ACC/LTSA deciding similar is required on our roads? aka Ireland / learner req's?

Hi Viz in the work place can be hazzardous, several months ago I was work in a set of stairs in the Mitre10 Mega building here, one of the builders stepped over me on his way down said stairs and triped!...he was wearing his ''Hi Viz'' not as a vest, but tucked into the back of his jeans like a bit of rag. It got caught on his boot has he went by me...that Hi Viz could have caused him a nasty accident.

[GPXchick]

I was wearing a Fluro vest the other day When i was hit and run on the Panmure roundabout. A fluro does not help them spot you. However once seen it makes it easier to Keep seeing you..

[Ocean1]

I've been concerned to hear I may soon be required to wear a dayglo T shirt whilst out on my sabatical trundle.

I was hugely relieved, therefore to come across a genuine bargan. I acquired several such from an open market in Hawaii last week.


240971


Funk'n sorted.

[FJRider]

Whats to stop ACC/LTSA deciding similar is required on our roads? aka Ireland / learner req's?

ACC/LTSA can decide what they like ... it's their reccomendations that (can) get laws changed ... not their instructions ...

Law CHANGES ... are made by Goverment ..

[ukusa]

wearing helmets whilst driving the car will save lives, more lives than what fluro vests would ever save. Rest assurred that this will probably be made compulsory in the next couple of years, along with cars made of foam rubber!
You heard it here first.

[NONONO]

In the work place yes, enforce it but this thread (your thread) is not about Hi Viz in the work place is it?
It has turned into a personal choice thread about whether you beleive in them and or, would wear one while out riding.



Its not an issue Phil, point me in the right direction where there has been any such comment made by the Government to the contrary?

Your right cocker, only "promoting" the wearing of hi viz at the moment.
Funny though, this was exactly the stance the Irish government took 2 years ago, and now?
Oh, and no mention of compulsory hi viz in France up to last year...
C'mon Mark, we know how difficult it is to generate traction here. Have to wait till it's all done and dusted and then try and complain when the deals are done.
Anyway, sorry, had to include this link, just couldn't help meself.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Say-No-to-Day-Glo/206289546073856?sk=wall

[NONONO]

Here ya go, perfect.
http://www.hivisbiker.com/Home_Page.php
No, wait, this is fkin wonderful, almost pissed myself and coughed up my beer at the same time, are they right in the head?
http://www.hivisbiker.com/Motorcycle_Safety.html

[Old Steve]

Nah mate, I'm sure it was Emanuel Kant. In fact I remember saying "hey Manny, wocha fink of floorow vests mate"


Nah, was Voltaire, rode an old Square 4. Think Kant must have had the quote in a pub quiz and thought he'd pinch it. Known for it Kant was.

Voltie also said "It's dangerous to be right, when the government is wrong". Knew a thing or two Voltaire did.

I've done a bit of research. This phrase is attributed to Evelyn Beatrice Hall, who paraphrased something Voltaire said. I kant be certain, but I think Ms Hall actually rode a Honda Dream. She quite fancied Voltaire, she let him stay over for a couple of nights once when his square 4 overheated.

[Oblivion]

Hi-viz during daylight: No.

Hi-viz at night: Yes.

Short simple answer.

[jaffaonajappa]

but I think Ms Hall actually rode a Honda Dream.

No. It really was a GN125.

[jazfender]

They should definitely make it compulsory for cars not to crash into other vehicles.

[swbarnett]

Compulsory vest wearing is not (and never will be) an issue for those who ride motorbikes.
Speak for yourself. Compulsory anything is a huge issue when the only reason for the compulsion is to save us from ourselves. No-one has that right. I also have a huge issue with the fact the helmets are compulsary but I happen to want to wear one anyway so I can live with it.

[swbarnett]

Hi-viz during daylight: No.

Hi-viz at night: Yes.

Short simple answer.
Short, yes. Simple no.

Stop trying to save me from myself is all I ask.

[Mom]

Does it appear to have made a difference?

Apologies for the delay in replying, but I have not had anything to report. No close shaves, no nothing, however...

Tonight while practising the skill of slow speed riding (I paid good money to really get a handle on it) I got undertaken by some cnut on the approach to a roundabout when I was indicating to turn left, half in my lane and half on the shoulder :yes: He was in a hell of a hurry to get around the corner and turn into the driveway that took him to the takeaway shop, I guess he was starving :tugger:

I am picking no matter what I am wearing, dickheads like this will be a fact of my commuting journey, but I can report to you that I am being seen. Bear in mind this is in the dusk/dark. I have had cars acknowledge me leaving them gaps :2thumbsup, stopping at roundabouts in rather a hurry :sunny: (I love it when that happens, means they actually got a surprise when they saw me).

I am a total convert to the costly vest I bought, I would not give you 10cents for the cheap shit that ACC hand out, or you can buy at $2 shops, they are pale, flappy imitations of a HI VIZ vest IMO. They are also no different from anything else fluro around, I favour the WTF is that???? vest I have invested in.

Oh, I have just bought some LED's for Millie and am looking to put a Stebel on her as well :yes: If they miss seeing me they will certainly hear me :lol:

[YellowDog]

Further to the bikers’ demonstrations that took place last Saturday throughout France and paralysed the entire nation (read below), Michèle Merli, in charge of France’s road safety and working closely with Claude Guéant - current French interior minister, has made herself heard on national radio. According to Ms Merli, it would appear that the bikers have totally misunderstood the proposed obligation for all to wear a fluorescent high visibility yellow vest! Ms Merli has said that it has never been a question of wearing that vest but rather propose (not impose?!) to the bikers that they wear a little yellow strap around their arm so that they can be better seen by motorists. According to Ms Merli, that only costs 3 euros, so certainly everyone can afford it! UK France bikers.com believe that it is not the bikers who have misunderstood the latest government’s proposals but rather the French government who continue to severely misunderstand and under-estimate the safety of riders. As if wearing a little yellow strap around one arm, and no obligation for bikers to wear appropriate protective clothing, was indeed going to make them more visible on the road and, more importantly, protect them from injuries in case of accident. The FFMC (French Federation of Angry Bikers that organised the massive demonstrations all over France reported below) has urged all bikers in France to stay tuned and get prepared for another series of paralysing demonstrations all over the nation in no later than September unless, of course, the government abandons their proposals by then! UK France bikers.com is committed to support the actions of the FFMC by keeping all our readers around the globe informed of the developments. Stay tuned!

http://ukfrancebikers.com/

[jaffaonajappa]

Further to the bikers’ demonstrations that took place last Saturday throughout France and paralysed the entire nation (read below), Michèle Merli, in charge of France’s road safety and working closely with Claude Guéant - current French interior minister, has made herself heard on national radio. According to Ms Merli, it would appear that the bikers have totally misunderstood the proposed obligation for all to wear a fluorescent high visibility yellow vest! Ms Merli has said that it has never been a question of wearing that vest but rather propose (not impose?!) to the bikers that they wear a little yellow strap around their arm so that they can be better seen by motorists. According to Ms Merli, that only costs 3 euros, so certainly everyone can afford it! UK France bikers.com believe that it is not the bikers who have misunderstood the latest government’s proposals but rather the French government who continue to severely misunderstand and under-estimate the safety of riders. As if wearing a little yellow strap around one arm, and no obligation for bikers to wear appropriate protective clothing, was indeed going to make them more visible on the road and, more importantly, protect them from injuries in case of accident. The FFMC (French Federation of Angry Bikers that organised the massive demonstrations all over France reported below) has urged all bikers in France to stay tuned and get prepared for another series of paralysing demonstrations all over the nation in no later than September unless, of course, the government abandons their proposals by then! UK France bikers.com is committed to support the actions of the FFMC by keeping all our readers around the globe informed of the developments. Stay tuned!

http://ukfrancebikers.com/

Thanks for that post.
So.....bikers action group kinda stuff. In other words....we were wayyy too soft when protesting the ACC levy?
guess what.....if/when the same pricks decide teh next step to helping us save ourselves is to make us wear fluoro vests.....well...we may have a stronger protest organised. I hope.

[YellowDog]

It's not just NZ. The frogs could teach the entire world how to protest effectively :yes:

[jaffaonajappa]

It's not just NZ. The frogs could teach the entire world how to protest effectively :yes:

I reallllly dont like the frogs, usually. But yeah...they know how to protest alright. Proved that quite effectively back in the early and mid '40's.

They also learnt how to squash protests very effectively. Probably also picked up int he '40's. And observed by kiwis in our own part of the world during the 80 and 90's.....which makes it interesting that the French (government, effectively) has agreed to compromise and appease this lot. Mind you....can you imagine what 100,000 "determined" protesters on motorbikes could achieve if they wanted to? :)

[nzspokes]

Hi-viz during daylight: No.

Hi-viz at night: Yes.

Short simple answer.

It should be silver hi-vi at night, yellow is ineffective under lights. That can be made into the jackets and look ok if done tastefully. You dont need much.

I have done a lot of H&S in the past.

[oneofsix]

It should be silver hi-vi at night, yellow is ineffective under lights. That can be made into the jackets and look ok if done tastefully. You dont need much.

I have done a lot of H&S in the past.

good point. I hadn't thought that through. Although the Yellow hi-vis all have silver reflective strips for night. The yellow would show black under the sodium lights (and I presume so do the orange ones) but the reflective strips should still work. That said most modern fabric jackets also incorporate reflective material so what is the point of the hi-vis?

[Maha]

good point. I hadn't thought that through. Although the Yellow hi-vis all have silver reflective strips for night. The yellow would show black under the sodium lights (and I presume so do the orange ones) but the reflective strips should still work. That said most modern fabric jackets also incorporate reflective material so what is the point of the hi-vis?

....and those that reject that idea more than likely have reflective something on thier chosen style of jacket.

[jaffaonajappa]

....and those that reject that idea more than likely have reflective something on thier chosen style of jacket.

Not saying I reject that idea....its !00% fine by me...but my jacket certainly does Not have any silver reflective stuff on it. But my running shoes do

[Gorgeousplak]

when the fluro factory sew one thats big enough to go over 2 thermos, a tshirt, a polar neck, a padded xxxxxxxxxxxxxxl leather jacket and extra upsidedown hour glass curves with tripe-double DD cups with wide hips and big AAAAA!!!

[YellowDog]

Not saying I reject that idea....its !00% fine by me...but my jacket certainly does Not have any silver reflective stuff on it. But my running shoes do

My gear has all the embedded reflective stuff in it.

Whilst I do not consider myself to be a poser, I would not want to spoil the neat appearance with a tacky hi-vis bib.