VMCC 2012 POSITIVE Suggestion Box.

[RobGassit]

Please use this thread to suggest your positive ideas for what, as a Vic club member, you would like to see the club consider for 2012.
As I have already thought of every possible reason why we can't possibly add or change anything, perhaps we could stick to reasons that maybe we can improve this fabulous series. NO CLUB BASHING PLEASE!

I'll start it off with suggesting that taking note of what makes other racing in NZ so popular would be worth a look.
Examples incl: Woodville MX, Mothers Day at Manfield. Bears meetings at Ruapuna and the Tri Series.

Could we possibly try:
Doubling the laps for F1.
Formula Holden(with permission)Invitational as last race.
Calling F3 F3 so the average punter knows what the hell it is.
Finding a class to run Motards.
Fast F4 class to run with Streetstock.Scored seperately.
Wheelie/Stunt comp in the lunch hour.
A dyno running in the pits.
A Partners/Spouse race.
A lunchtime spectator track ride.
Show and Shine or Classic Display.
A cycle race.
A legends Streetstock/Prolite race.
Mechanical how to workshops.
A commentator who knows the riders well.
A prizegiving before everyone is 20 kms away or already in the Pub.

Your turn,,

[Str8 Jacket]

Some great ideas but I don't agree with your idea re "ladies races". We don't race cause we are females we race for the sake of racing and we get treated like racers not chicks.

At the end of the day, if anyone wants a say in how the meetings are run then turn up to the meetings, that is where things are voted in, or not. Hell, if you were really passionate about things then you could always become a committee member.

[RobGassit]

Some great ideas but I don't agree with your idea re "ladies races". We don't race cause we are females we race for the sake of racing and we get treated like racers not chicks.

At the end of the day, if anyone wants a say in how the meetings are run then turn up to the meetings, that is where things are voted in, or not. Hell, if you were really passionate about things then you could always become a committee member.

Thanks for your kind response. POSITIVE REPLIES ONLY THANKS!:weird:

[Shaun]

Thanks for your kind response. POSITIVE REPLIES ONLY THANKS!:weird:



Like the spectator lunch ride idea

[RobGassit]

Thanks for your kind response. POSITIVE REPLIES ONLY THANKS!:weird:

Perhaps I should have called it a Partners Race. No offence to the better sex intended.

[Str8 Jacket]

Thanks for your kind response. POSITIVE REPLIES ONLY THANKS!:weird:

:facepalm:

<somepeoplearejuststoopidiguess>

[RobGassit]

:facepalm:

<SOMEPEOPLEAREJUSTSTOOPIDIGUESS>

That's ok, I know you just couldn't help yourself could you. Bless you my dear and may the positive force be found within you. It was a valid point. I have edited the initial thread.

[Str8 Jacket]

That's ok, I know you just couldn't help yourself could you. Bless you my dear and may the positive force be found within you. It was a valid point. I have edited the initial thread.

:facepalm:


ps - I am a Vic Club committee member. Are you?

[nodrog]

Some great ideas but I don't agree with your idea re "ladies races". We don't race cause we are females we race for the sake of racing and we get treated like racers not chicks..

I think hes just talking about lining you Bitches up on the grid and making you run the track. :lol:

[Str8 Jacket]

I think hes just talking about lining you Bitches up on the grid and making you run the track. :lol:

In full leathers and everything! That'd be like so hot now.

[nodrog]

In full leathers and everything! That'd be like so hot now.

Or maybe its saddling up your partner/spouse and racing them instead of motorbikes? I'd pay money to see that shit.

[RobGassit]

:facepalm:


ps - I am a Vic Club committee member. Are you?

Firstly, Does it really matter?
Secondly, Does a VIC Club member have to be on a commitee to have an opinion?
Thirdly, Not that it's anyones business or relative to this thread seeking POSITIVE MEMBER contributions, but one person in our house on the commitee is already possibly one too many. I say no more. God Bless anyone not on a commitee,,for you are still righteous and unsullied by the NEGATIVE FORCE.

[Str8 Jacket]

Or maybe its saddling up your partner/spouse and racing them instead of motorbikes? I'd pay money to see that shit.

Oh leather and kinkiness that will bring the punters!!!

[Str8 Jacket]

Firstly, Does it really matter?
Secondly, Does a VIC Club member have to be on a commitee to have an opinion?
Thirdly, Not that it's anyones business or relative to this thread seeking POSITIVE MEMBER contributions, but one person in our house on the commitee is already possibly one too many. I say no more. God Bless anyone not on a commitee,,for you are still righteous and unsullied by the NEGATIVE FORCE.

Lay off the drugs man!

[jellywrestler]

Some great ideas but I don't agree with your idea re "ladies races".


where does it say Ladies Race???



Oops, read further down and see that he's been chastisted and altered his words, I actually thought he was meaning the motards when I first read it!

[Str8 Jacket]

where does it say Ladies Race???

He edited his first post and changed it to partner/spouse race. Come on Spyda, I thoughtyou were smart. Read all the posts! ;)

[CHOPPA]

My suggestion would be that maybe the club could listen to some ideas from the riders???

Mind you the series looks to be going great so what help would I be

[CHOPPA]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/123466-Some-ideas-for-VMCC?highlight=vmcc

[Crasherfromwayback]

Make the chicks race in see through gear.

[Shaun]

Make the chicks race in see through gear.



Nah mate, I d be to embarrased to watch standing there with a HARD ON

[Shaun]

My suggestion would be that maybe the club could listen to some ideas from the riders???

Mind you the series looks to be going great so what help would I be



I think you have caught my USED Scarcasim issue's dude:lol:

[RobGassit]

My suggestion would be that maybe the club could listen to some ideas from the riders???

Mind you the series looks to be going great so what help would I be

Thanks Choppa. Very insightful as to the immediate replies you received. Some are very defensive over any suggestions whatsoever. We need to support F1 in every way possible. Dare I say I would love to get the chairs back too but we need to manage time alot better. That lunch break takes forever.

[RobGassit]

Like the spectator lunch ride idea

Thanks Shaun. Any suggestions from you would be most appreciated.

[Ivan]

motards back,

hahaha only cause im biased and that is all I will own

[jellywrestler]

That lunch break takes forever.
Get some people from the Anorexia society, they never stop for lunch

[Str8 Jacket]

Get some people from the Anorexia society, they never stop for lunch

Won't be able to lift a flag either!!!

[RobGassit]

Two extra marshalls rotate round the track positions all day allowing marshalls to be fed, watered and drained,,ooeer.

[scracha]

Nah mate, I d be to embarrased to watch standing there with a HARD ON

You can go one day without a Cialis pill old fellah!




Oh...back on topic....positive VMCC ideas thing...erm...Chopper's thread (and quite a few others) covers pretty much everything. I can't quite fathom why some of the better ideas proposed in there haven't at least been tried.

[RobGassit]

You can go one day without a Cialis pill old fellah!




Oh...back on topic....positive VMCC ideas thing...erm...Chopper's thread (and quite a few others) covers pretty much everything. I can't quite fathom why some of the better ideas proposed in there haven't at least been tried.

Eureka! Eggzachary the reason for the thread. The club belongs to the members so keep your ideas coming, said before or not. Choppa's last tilt at this windmill was 07. Jeez Lueez. We don't want to end up like the sidecars boys and girls do we?

[CHOPPA]

Choppa's last tilt at this windmill was 07.

Actually just last year I posted that.

[Kickaha]

Like the spectator lunch ride idea
They did that at the last Castrol 6 hour that was run at Manfield (might have been on the Saturday) and it has also been done at the Sound of Thunder many years ago using a "pace" rider you weren't allowed to pass


We need to support F1 in every way possible. Why? don't give me that premier class bullshit either

[jellywrestler]

Won't be able to lift a flag either!!!
most of them are swimsuit fanatics, get them in all the colours of the flags and job done

[RobGassit]

They did that at the last Castrol 6 hour that was run at Manfield (might have been on the Saturday) and it has also been done at the Sound of Thunder many years ago using a "pace" rider you weren't allowed to pass

Why? don't give me that premier class bullshit either

People want to watch them mate, me included. Coz they are faaaast!

[RobGassit]

Actually just last year I posted that.

So it was sorry. I mistook your join date for the post date. Hope we can get a bit of traction this time.

[slowpoke]

Why? don't give me that premier class bullshit either

Because in the North Island F1 is shafted when it comes to track time creating a situation where good young riders are discouraged from entering F1. As a result the same guys have dominated superbikes in NZ for the past 10 years when every other country is churning out young champions and unleashing them on the world.

We don't have a single good young road racer regularly competing on the world stage. And it's been that way for how long? 10years? So we have no marquee rider(s) to help improve the miserably low profile of our sport. Success overseas means coverage for them, which translates into a higher profile for us, which means more coverage, more sponsors, more people wanting to join the sport yada yada.

Sure it's a long way down the track but unless we start we'll never get there.

You guys are actually in a different boat with MCC being a lil' more progressive. I think the results back up that they are doing something right, with healthy competition across the board. It's an interesting comparison with the North Island where F1 competition at club level is in a pretty sad state.

[SWERVE]

Here in Canterbury/Mcc we have all the same issues that you guys are talking about re: track time - classes - laps etc. Its nearly impossible to please all the riders al the time.
We run all 1000/600 classes together (we have 2 of each) and score them seperately.. its easy with transponders. F3/protwin/125 together - streetstock/buckets/prolite together. Motards get there own spot (due to the rules)
The pre-classes run together. Junior training have an allocated slot too.
We cant do much more to speed up proceedings from an organisational front. If all goes to plan we all get 1x practice /qual (15/20 mins) and 3x races (6 laps).
If we get hold ups race laps are generally reduced.
We are lucky in the months with more daylight as the curfew is pretty decent if we run overtime.
Riders pay a big part in making sure that meetings run smoothly and on time... we have gotten quite strict with call-up times etc due to this (they soon learn) the hard way! We try to run all meetings on a smilar basis to a national event.... this gets both staff & riders into the correct groove nice and early in the season.
We dont get hoards of F1 riders either.... most of senior class is 600,s and the big guns dont generally show untill KOR rd 2/3.
The secret of us having a bigger pool of younger riders is the junior development system and other clubs such as BEARS / CAMS also giving them track time.... some streetstock riders have filled up a log book with entries without leaving the Sth Is in a season.
Some of these young riders who have started in Streetstock are on the verge of jumpin up to F1 but it has taken a few years for the natural progession. Ryan Hampton is the exception as he just came straight into F1.
We are very lucky down here also that we have a number of clubs - 2 tracks reasonably close together - track hire fees are lower - club owns its transponders (hire is cheaper) and generally less rain.
So its simple......... wanna get more tracktime........ move to ChCH... houses are getting cheaper as the shaking contines..... plenty of jobs now!.
No seriously there is no easy/simple answer to this one.
BUGGAR house shaking again as i type (honest)

[roadracingoldfart]

And if a good idea comes up here then how is the VMCC going to know about it ?. Is there a plan sorted to relay these suggestions or is it just random typing filling the interwebby again , again , again , again.....
VMCC does not and should not have to troll these forums looking for feedback when there is a format to present them to the club.
So whos in charge here ????


Paul.

[Str8 Jacket]

And if a good idea comes up here then how is the VMCC going to know about it ?. Is there a plan sorted to relay these suggestions or is it just random typing filling the interwebby again , again , again , again.....
VMCC does not and should not have to troll these forums looking for feedback when there is a format to present them to the club.
So whos in charge here ????


Paul.

Funnily enough Paul I pointed this out to Rob via message on his profile page and recieved a very sarcastic comment back! I have Robgaggit on ignore now - life is much easier! ;)

I have also been informed that he is Sarah Elliots partner - she is on the committee with us so I am unsure how Rob does not understand the format of approaching VMCC...... Though it seems it may be easier for him to keep his head in the sand.

[yungatart]

That lunch break takes forever.
Why should marshalls need a lunch break anyway,its not as if they (or the other volunteers) actually DO anything, eh?:blink:


Two extra marshalls rotate round the track positions all day allowing marshalls to be fed, watered and drained,,ooeer.

You think? Its hard enough to get a full complement of marshalls for the long track anyway, where two more going to come from? Do I see you putting your hand up?

This should be done at a VMCC meeting. KB is not a part of VMCC, does not have a hotline to VMCC and is not run by VMCC. Get yourself voted on to the committee...then you can change things....

[RobGassit]

why should marshalls need a lunch break anyway,its not as if they (or the other volunteers) actually do anything, eh?:blink:



You think? Its hard enough to get a full complement of marshalls for the long track anyway, where two more going to come from? Do i see you putting your hand up?

This should be done at a vmcc meeting. Kb is not a part of vmcc, does not have a hotline to vmcc and is not run by vmcc. Get yourself voted on to the committee...then you can change things....

Go away with your negative attitude please.

[yungatart]

go away with your negative attitude please.

I don't actually have a negative attitude...and I won't be told what to do by you!:tugger:

There is already a forum for this..it is the VMCC, not KB.
Get on the committee and actually do something positive!

I have contributed in a positive manner to Vic club for some 6 years. Apart from wank on on here, what have you done?

Go fuck yourself

[CHOPPA]

They did that at the last Castrol 6 hour that was run at Manfield (might have been on the Saturday) and it has also been done at the Sound of Thunder many years ago using a "pace" rider you weren't allowed to pass

Why? don't give me that premier class bullshit either

You cant be serious? Who would you consider to be premier? Sidecars??



Because in the North Island F1 is shafted when it comes to track time creating a situation where good young riders are discouraged from entering F1. As a result the same guys have dominated superbikes in NZ for the past 10 years when every other country is churning out young champions and unleashing them on the world.

We don't have a single good young road racer regularly competing on the world stage. And it's been that way for how long? 10years? So we have no marquee rider(s) to help improve the miserably low profile of our sport. Success overseas means coverage for them, which translates into a higher profile for us, which means more coverage, more sponsors, more people wanting to join the sport yada yada.

Sure it's a long way down the track but unless we start we'll never get there.

You guys are actually in a different boat with MCC being a lil' more progressive. I think the results back up that they are doing something right, with healthy competition across the board. It's an interesting comparison with the North Island where F1 competition at club level is in a pretty sad state.

Look at the names that turned up in 2009 because superbike got 5 races. Whats the point in supporting feeder classes when ya dont support classes for them to feed into.


Here in Canterbury/Mcc we have all the same issues that you guys are talking about re: track time - classes - laps etc. Its nearly impossible to please all the riders al the time.
We run all 1000/600 classes together (we have 2 of each) and score them seperately.. its easy with transponders. F3/protwin/125 together - streetstock/buckets/prolite together. Motards get there own spot (due to the rules)
The pre-classes run together. Junior training have an allocated slot too.
We cant do much more to speed up proceedings from an organisational front. If all goes to plan we all get 1x practice /qual (15/20 mins) and 3x races (6 laps).
If we get hold ups race laps are generally reduced.
We are lucky in the months with more daylight as the curfew is pretty decent if we run overtime.
Riders pay a big part in making sure that meetings run smoothly and on time... we have gotten quite strict with call-up times etc due to this (they soon learn) the hard way! We try to run all meetings on a smilar basis to a national event.... this gets both staff & riders into the correct groove nice and early in the season.
We dont get hoards of F1 riders either.... most of senior class is 600,s and the big guns dont generally show untill KOR rd 2/3.
The secret of us having a bigger pool of younger riders is the junior development system and other clubs such as BEARS / CAMS also giving them track time.... some streetstock riders have filled up a log book with entries without leaving the Sth Is in a season.
Some of these young riders who have started in Streetstock are on the verge of jumpin up to F1 but it has taken a few years for the natural progession. Ryan Hampton is the exception as he just came straight into F1.
We are very lucky down here also that we have a number of clubs - 2 tracks reasonably close together - track hire fees are lower - club owns its transponders (hire is cheaper) and generally less rain.
So its simple......... wanna get more tracktime........ move to ChCH... houses are getting cheaper as the shaking contines..... plenty of jobs now!.
No seriously there is no easy/simple answer to this one.
BUGGAR house shaking again as i type (honest)

So you listen to the riders, great! I saw you at VMCC last year looking less then impressed, what were your feelings?


And if a good idea comes up here then how is the VMCC going to know about it ?. Is there a plan sorted to relay these suggestions or is it just random typing filling the interwebby again , again , again , again.....
VMCC does not and should not have to troll these forums looking for feedback when there is a format to present them to the club.
So whos in charge here ????


Paul.

You would be surprised how effective these forums are! I emailed several members of MNZ directly. Not a single reply in 2 months. Post on here and facebook and I had several emails within 24 hours


Funnily enough Paul I pointed this out to Rob via message on his profile page and recieved a very sarcastic comment back! I have Robgaggit on ignore now - life is much easier! ;)

I have also been informed that he is Sarah Elliots partner - she is on the committee with us so I am unsure how Rob does not understand the format of approaching VMCC...... Though it seems it may be easier for him to keep his head in the sand.

How are we supposed to approach the club? I brought my issues up in person and I had solutions but not once was anyone interested in listening.

[RobGassit]

Funnily enough Paul I pointed this out to Rob via message on his profile page and recieved a very sarcastic comment back! I have Robgaggit on ignore now - life is much easier! ;)

I have also been informed that he is Sarah Elliots partner - she is on the committee with us so I am unsure how Rob does not understand the format of approaching VMCC...... Though it seems it may be easier for him to keep his head in the sand.

My reply to you to your PM was:

(It's all good. You guy's can't operate in a vacuum. If we give the members a voice on here we just might learn something.)

How you possibly found this sarcastic is beyond me? I am now wondering why you are trying to derail any opportunity for Vic club members to discuss possible suggestions to help their own club.?

[Str8 Jacket]

How are we supposed to approach the club? I brought my issues up in person and I had solutions but not once was anyone interested in listening.

Attend the meetings - there was one last night.

Flick an email outlining what you have to say via the Vic Club website. Ask for it to be put on the agenda to be discussed and it will be. But really do try and come along to a meeting. Second Tues of every month. That will give you some insight and appreciationas to what the vic club actually do!

[RobGassit]

I don't actually have a negative attitude...and I won't be told what to do by you!:tugger:

There is already a forum for this..it is the VMCC, not KB.
Get on the committee and actually do something positive!

I have contributed in a positive manner to Vic club for some 6 years. Apart from wank on on here, what have you done?

Go fuck yourself

Thankyou very much for your POSITIVE SUGGESTION!
However I respectfully decline to go phark myself.

[Quasievil]

I Havent been yet this year but

1.Move the event to summer or build a roof over the track.
2.Is there decent food there yet? or just fried crap?
3.Instant coffee vendors arent coffee vendors



Oh and make Craig a sandpit in the pits so he doesn't spend time in the track one wasting racing time.

[RobGassit]

And if a good idea comes up here then how is the VMCC going to know about it ?. Is there a plan sorted to relay these suggestions or is it just random typing filling the interwebby again , again , again , again.....
VMCC does not and should not have to troll these forums looking for feedback when there is a format to present them to the club.
So whos in charge here ????


Paul.

My plan was to see if there was any strong support for any positive and constructive suggestions and to prepare a report on those to the Vic club commitee for their discussion. This thread was to gather POSITIVE suggestions and see if there was any support.

It is currently being attacked by members who think they are being bagged.
Those people should please read my initial starter post.

[Str8 Jacket]

I Havent been yet this year but

1.Move the event to summer or build a roof over the track.
2.Is there decent food there yet? or just fried crap?
3.Instant coffee vendors arent coffee vendors



Oh and make Craig a sandpit in the pits so he doesn't spend time in the track one wasting racing time.

Re the food - we don't actually have any choice in the matter. They are the tracks preferred supplier and we are not allowed other vendors at the track. Shame really cause we'd love to change what type of food is available!

[MSTRS]

It is understood that racers want as much track time as possible...and the lunch period MAY seem interminable to those who are there to race or watch.
Here's a positive suggestion...this round, RobGassit can put his hand up to marshal. Being the long track, we are short of bodies already.
Should he accept this positive challenge, he will find himself wondering where the time went...

[Petrolic]

In a view to get more spectators some radio stations offer free adds for non proffit organisations. People I have spoken to are amazed its free entry to watch some fast machines & to offer them a ride at lunch for five mins or so and rotate riders then maybe give them a leaflet of the next meeting and how easy it is to get into racing. Ths dumb idea may take time but word will get around.
Simple spot prizes too as easy as may be minties moments or spot prize for most improved or a rider who has come off injury , I don't know.

[RobGassit]

Funnily enough Paul I pointed this out to Rob via message on his profile page and recieved a very sarcastic comment back! I have Robgaggit on ignore now - life is much easier! ;)

I have also been informed that he is Sarah Elliots partner - she is on the committee with us so I am unsure how Rob does not understand the format of approaching VMCC...... Though it seems it may be easier for him to keep his head in the sand.

By the way, using my partners full name in a public forum was a really classy thing to do.:nono:

[RobGassit]

In a view to get more spectators some radio stations offer free adds for non proffit organisations. People I have spoken to are amazed its free entry to watch some fast machines & to offer them a ride at lunch for five mins or so and rotate riders then maybe give them a leaflet of the next meeting and how easy it is to get into racing. Ths dumb idea may take time but word will get around.
Simple spot prizes too as easy as may be minties moments or spot prize for most improved or a rider who has come off injury , I don't know.

Cheers mate. Good suggestions, publicity can't hurt.

[White trash]

By the way, using my partners full name in a public forum was a really classy thing to do.:nono:

Why? Do you post things Sarah would be ashamed of? Or perhaps you wouldn't like your name being associated with your own postings?

Your partners full name is posted all over this forum, mostly for the way she's excelled and improved in her road racing in a very short time. Something to be extremely proud of.

I don't get it.

[RobGassit]

Why? Do you post things Sarah would be ashamed of? Or perhaps you wouldn't like your name being associated with your own postings?

Your partners full name is posted all over this forum, mostly for the way she's excelled and improved in her road racing in a very short time. Something to be extremely proud of.

I don't get it.

I just took it as a cheap shot. Maybe I'm getting over sensitive.

[jellywrestler]

As a result the same guys have dominated superbikes in NZ for the past 10 years


I'd have to disagree with this statement. I've followed the road race scene for many many years and for a long time it was the same old faces, with the imports adding to the mix and making it interesting.
It's only in the last two years that the Kiwi's have started to make in roads in my opinion in F1/Superbikes.
up until then aside from same old same old we had Shirriffs and Fitzgerald who were up there but not quite.
In the last two years Nick Cole, Sloan Frost, Ryan Hampton and James Smith have all shown their ability to poke there nose into the front of field with their own skills, not because someone else was having a bad day etc.
Shirriffs and Fitzgerald have also done this so I see it as anything but stagnant.
There's more to come from all of these guys too watch this space

[jellywrestler]

By the way, using my partners full name in a public forum was a really classy thing to do.:nono:

It gets worse, I've seen her name used in programmes and by the commentators too...

[Str8 Jacket]

Why? Do you post things Sarah would be ashamed of? Or perhaps you wouldn't like your name being associated with your own postings?

Your partners full name is posted all over this forum, mostly for the way she's excelled and improved in her road racing in a very short time. Something to be extremely proud of.

I don't get it.


It gets worse, I've seen her name used in programmes and by the commentators too...

What is funny is that I have him on ignore so can only see what he has posted cause you quoted him! Sarah is very well known and teh point I was trying to make is that she is a Committee member - (full name appears on Vic Club website) so Robgaggit does know how to approach these things properly. He just chooses not to. Head, sand, buried.

[Billy]

I'd have to disagree with this statement. I've followed the road race scene for many many years and for a long time it was the same old faces, with the imports adding to the mix and making it interesting.
It's only in the last two years that the Kiwi's have started to make in roads in my opinion in F1/Superbikes.
up until then aside from same old same old we had Shirriffs and Fitzgerald who were up there but not quite.
In the last two years Nick Cole, Sloan Frost, Ryan Hampton and James Smith have all shown their ability to poke there nose into the front of field with their own skills, not because someone else was having a bad day etc.
Shirriffs and Fitzgerald have also done this so I see it as anything but stagnant.
There's more to come from all of these guys too watch this space

Well said Graeme Staples(Woooooo I used your proper name!!!)

All names you dont see at the Actrix series for any more than the odd test day,Rhys Holmes is planning to do some of the rounds this year to settle into his new Beema,Apart from that you wont see to many appearances from the fast guys!!

The sad fact is,If you havent got the necessary skills to race a bike too the limit well before getting to the superbike class(Like Glen Skachill),Your just not gonna cut the mustard at National level no matter how much tracktime you get during the winter,It takes a shitload of dedication and application from an early age,Something that is clearly missing in todays so called up and comers in the North Island.

Swerve and the crew at MCC have got it sorted and thats where the bulk of the up and coming talent is coming from,No question!!!

Rob Gassit,You of all people should know after yours and Sarahs exploits over the last 12 months,The benefits are at National level,NOT the winter series,You took the advice I offered you and its paid dividends,Right???Had you not,Sarah would be stuck in the same rut,Correct???

The Vic club run a damned good club series with limited rescources and real helpers,I have never had an issue getting my point across to them either by email/Phone or in person,I cant say Ive always managed to achieve the right results imo,But they did listen and take onboard my ideas,The same can be said re MNZ,Maybe its about attitude and/or the way they are approached,Only they can answer that,But one thing I can tell you is I never recieved any positive feedback from either the Vic club or MNZ due to statements Ive made on this site!!

The moral here is,Be happy these people bother to spend there spare time putting on race meetings for you to attend,Pissing off the likes of Yungatart,Mstrs and str8jacket is gonna leave you standing at Manfeild on a winters day watching the grass grow,Without them your NOTHING!!,Giving the superbike class more tracktime at the expense of the other classes will do Nothing too improve the state of the class at National level,The guys at MCC are all rolling around the ground laughing at you.

Choppa! $1500.00 to do a club day,Really???Does that include flights in and out and flashy motels most club racers dont use,Wanna give us a breakdown of that figure??

Oh and can somebody explain too me how changing the food supplier at Manfeild is gonna improve the riding skills of the superbike class???? and we already have a series in the summer time,Its called the Nationals and the dedicated/talented riders already attend it!!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

You tell 'em Billy!

[Quasievil]

Oh and can somebody explain too me how changing the food supplier at Manfeild is gonna improve the riding skills of the superbike class???? and we already have a series in the summer time,Its called the Nationals and the dedicated/talented riders already attend it!!!!

OOOO yes yes i wll go there

are you saying good food (not fried junk) has no bearing on sports performance ?

and the nats is an arse for most, a vmcc type event in warmer months would work better i think for those that dont do the nats (which is most)

[RobGassit]

Well said Graeme Staples(Woooooo I used your proper name!!!)

All names you dont see at the Actrix series for any more than the odd test day,Rhys Holmes is planning to do some of the rounds this year to settle into his new Beema,Apart from that you wont see to many appearances from the fast guys!!

The sad fact is,If you havent got the necessary skills to race a bike too the limit well before getting to the superbike class(Like Glen Skachill),Your just not gonna cut the mustard at National level no matter how much tracktime you get during the winter,It takes a shitload of dedication and application from an early age,Something that is clearly missing in todays so called up and comers in the North Island.

Swerve and the crew at MCC have got it sorted and thats where the bulk of the up and coming talent is coming from,No question!!!

Rob Gassit,You of all people should know after yours and Sarahs exploits over the last 12 months,The benefits are at National level,NOT the winter series,You took the advice I offered you and its paid dividends,Right???Had you not,Sarah would be stuck in the same rut,Correct???

The Vic club run a damned good club series with limited rescources and real helpers,I have never had an issue getting my point across to them either by email/Phone or in person,I cant say Ive always managed to achieve the right results imo,But they did listen and take onboard my ideas,The same can be said re MNZ,Maybe its about attitude and/or the way they are approached,Only they can answer that,But one thing I can tell you is I never recieved any positive feedback from either the Vic club or MNZ due to statements Ive made on this site!!

The moral here is,Be happy these people bother to spend there spare time putting on race meetings for you to attend,Pissing off the likes of Yungatart,Mstrs and str8jacket is gonna leave you standing at Manfeild on a winters day watching the grass grow,Without them your NOTHING!!,Giving the superbike class more tracktime at the expense of the other classes will do Nothing too improve the state of the class at National level,The guys at MCC are all rolling around the ground laughing at you.

Choppa! $1500.00 to do a club day,Really???Does that include flights in and out and flashy motels most club racers dont use,Wanna give us a breakdown of that figure??

Oh and can somebody explain too me how changing the food supplier at Manfeild is gonna improve the riding skills of the superbike class???? and we already have a series in the summer time,Its called the Nationals and the dedicated/talented riders already attend it!!!!

Well I guess I have been out of line then. It was not my intention to bag the club or suggest the volunteers are not appreciated. I apologise to anyone who has taken offence to any of my comments. I'm really sorry.

[MSTRS]

This is a very pertinent point too...
The costs in being on a competitive F1 bike are beyond most racers, so they are either forced to accept a non-competitive bike or to race in a 'lower' class (read as 'cheaper') OR they are simply not interested in riding a 300kph bike. They may be perfectly happy on their RG/KR 150.
Either way, why should these people be penalised tracktime just so the very few hungry F1 riders can have more? Don't they all pay the same entry fee?

[rachprice]

We don't have a single good young road racer regularly competing on the world stage. And it's been that way for how long? 10years? So we have no marquee rider(s) to help improve the miserably low profile of our sport. Success overseas means coverage for them, which translates into a higher profile for us, which means more coverage, more sponsors, more people wanting to join the sport yada yada.

Don't mean to disagree with you all the time but what about little dan mettam??? He is, as we speak, in Europe about to compete at Aragon on the little 250's European class
Sure it isn't a superbike or 600 but he is only 15, and he got on a podium!!!

[Str8 Jacket]

Well I guess I have been out of line then. It was not my intention to bag the club or suggest the volunteers are not appreciated. I apologise to anyone who has taken offence to any of my comments. I'm really sorry.

Thank you for your apology, it takes balls to admit that you may have been wrong.

[MSTRS]

and the nats is an arse for most, a vmcc type event in warmer months would work better i think for those that dont do the nats (which is most)

You're all gonna love the PMCC summer series this year then...

[Quasievil]

You're all gonna love the PMCC summer series this year then...

Yeah I reckon I will mate.
The Nats isnt my favourite event thats for sure, overrated, overpriced (for the riders to be involved in the entire series) and lacking in many areas like public interest for example.......so whats the point?
its pointless having a Nats the size of the one we do:calm:.

But I digress.

But honestly the only negative stuff I have to say (and what I have heard from riders I know) about the otherwise MINT Vmcc series is
1/ Crap Food
2/ Crap Coffee
3/ Cold and wet most of the time
4/ Short races (6 laps I think x 2 makes an expensive trip for f all)

[Billy]

OOOO yes yes i wll go there

are you saying good food (not fried junk) has no bearing on sports performance ?

and the nats is an arse for most, a vmcc type event in warmer months would work better i think for those that dont do the nats (which is most)

Absolutely it has,I would suggest the serious racers have their diet covered at the track,In fact I know they do,The caterers food is for the spectators and the 3 of them havent complained yet!!!

The Nats is an arse,Really???Its where the REAL racing happens for the REAL racers,As for the summer,Theres the Tri Series for the serious guys and the Pacific for the not so serious,Anyhting outside of the Nats is nothing more than club racing !!!!

[Ronin]

It gets worse, I've seen her name used in programmes and by the commentators too...

Wouldn't been Ray, he wouldn't get it right lol

[Quasievil]

Absolutely it has,I would suggest the serious racers have their diet covered at the track,In fact I know they do,The caterers food is for the spectators and the 3 of them havent complained yet!!!

The Nats is an arse,Really???Its where the REAL racing happens for the REAL racers,As for the summer,Theres the Tri Series for the serious guys and the Pacific for the not so serious,Anyhting outside of the Nats is nothing more than club racing !!!!

Well you have one now bro, I like real food:drool:

Yeah I reckon the Nats is an arse, its not a winning formula in my opinion (as well as many others)
But I respect you to much to argue the point there billy, but really ....."nothing more than club racing" dude common :lol:

[jellywrestler]

Wouldn't been Ray, he wouldn't get it right lol

Fairs Fair Ray does his best, does the club when getting entry forms out include a sheet for info for the commentators?
how many riders/mechanics etc make their way up to the commentators box during a meeting.
The biggest problem with commentators is that it's the same voice all day, no matter how good they are you're going to get tired of them, any different voice up there is welcome and a good commentator can draw out stuff even from the shyest person.
How about at riders breifing encouraging people up there and see how it goes?

[MSTRS]

Would numbers on bikes that can actually be read help???

[Quasievil]

Fairs Fair Ray does his best, does the club when getting entry forms out include a sheet for info for the commentators?
how many riders/mechanics etc make their way up to the commentators box during a meeting.
The biggest problem with commentators is that it's the same voice all day, no matter how good they are you're going to get tired of them, any different voice up there is welcome and a good commentator can draw out stuff even from the shyest person.
How about at riders breifing encouraging people up there and see how it goes?

get the riders to send in a rap sheet with every entry maybe, now there is an idea to make things betterer

[Billy]

Well you have one now bro, I like real food:drool:

Yeah I reckon the Nats is an arse, its not a winning formula in my opinion (as well as many others)
But I respect you to much to argue the point there billy, but really ....."nothing more than club racing" dude common :lol:

Not gonna argue with you regarding the Nats not being as good as they could be,What we have is the absolute best that can be arranged with the limited rescources available,Anything bigger and brighter is gonna cost money and I bet you the riders dont wanna front with it!!!

"Nothing more than club racing" Ask any top level Nationals competitor and they'll tell you just how much harder they push for a result during a points race,Just how much harder they'll force a gap they wouldnt at a street race or club day.I stand by the original comment.

[CHOPPA]

Attend the meetings - there was one last night.

Flick an email outlining what you have to say via the Vic Club website. Ask for it to be put on the agenda to be discussed and it will be. But really do try and come along to a meeting. Second Tues of every month. That will give you some insight and appreciationas to what the vic club actually do!

I will try get to one of those, depending on my schedule I may even be able to help out at a round or two this year

[Str8 Jacket]

I will try get to one of those, depending on my schedule I may even be able to help out at a round or two this year

Would be good to see you there. I will flick you a reminder a week before the next one so that you can try and get there. Be good to see any and all Vic Club members there TBH!

[CHOPPA]

Billy....

Tyres 1 Set - $700
If its wet then wets - $700
Accomodation - $300
Fuel Petrol Van - $200
Fuel Petrol Car - $150
Fuel Bike - $60
Entry - $130 ish I think
Brake Pads - $100
Pit Garage - $200

Plus test day expenses

Fuel
Garage
Tyres
Sign On

[RobGassit]

Epic thread fail. You can smell the remains burning a mile away.:facepalm:

[Quasievil]

Epic thread fail. You can smell the remains burning a mile away.:facepalm:

There are no successful threads on KB.

thats why I started a racer only section on kiwiracer.co.nz but people prefer to be heros on here

[MSTRS]

Epic thread fail. You can smell the remains burning a mile away.:facepalm:

You started it with a question. No answers or responses were to your satisfaction. That makes not a fail, but rather typical KB. It is a complete success in once again demonstrating that there are too many 'agendas' present when it comes to planning, organising, running and competing in a race series, for there to be anything but argument.
Well done for the reminder.

[ktm]

As for the"crap food" at Manfeild, I love hotdogs and chips, wouldn't have it any other way. The gas station, or a short run to Feilding will give you more choice, or you could bring your own (tofu vege homespun or whatever) hahaha

[Crasherfromwayback]

As for the"crap food" at Manfeild, I love hotdogs and chips, wouldn't have it any other way. The gas station, or a short run to Feilding will give you more choice, or you could bring your own (tofu vege homespun or whatever) hahaha

Exactly. Any cunt that wants to eat healthy knows to take their own food. I always like chips and hotdogs at race meetings. Right from the time as a kid at my first ever speedway meeting!

[nodrog]

Where is the love?

Praise Jebus.

[Tony.OK]

Serious question from an ex Vic club racer.............

Can anyone tell me why the race format went back to trying to fit in 3 races per class?

I remember the same time constraints happening, then the longer 2 race format came in giving more overall time to the day because of a whole cycle of "exiting and entering" between races. And when time allowed an extra race was put in for fun.

Its looking like the BEARS class may be a goer, hopefully it stays well subscribed, can see some Jap F1 bikes being traded for something else to get a second class haha.

[Quasievil]

(tofu vege homespun or whatever) hahaha

Screw that! I like me chips to but I like a decent burger or a nice sammy or something not fried completely thats all.

[MSTRS]

Serious question from an ex Vic club racer.............

Can anyone tell me why the race format went back to trying to fit in 3 races per class?

I remember the same time constraints happening, then the longer 2 race format came in giving more overall time to the day because of a whole cycle of "exiting and entering" between races. And when time allowed an extra race was put in for fun.



I think you will find that it was in response to riders wanting more races in the one day. That, and moaning about the SS class 'getting more time on the track' - because they get the same number of laps.
The organisers are damned whatever they do...the danger is that those few dedicated individuals will just throw their hands up and say fuck it - do it yourself.

The irony of it all, is that in recent times more and more riders have been coming forward on the day and saying how pleased they were with the whole setup.

[gixerracer]

Yeah I reckon I will mate.
The Nats isnt my favourite event thats for sure, overrated, overpriced (for the riders to be involved in the entire series) and lacking in many areas like public interest for example.......so whats the point?
its pointless having a Nats the size of the one we do:calm:.

But I digress.

But honestly the only negative stuff I have to say (and what I have heard from riders I know) about the otherwise MINT Vmcc series is
1/ Crap Food
2/ Crap Coffee
3/ Cold and wet most of the time
4/ Short races (6 laps I think x 2 makes an expensive trip for f all)

What a load of crap.
What is the point. The point is getting all the best riders together with the best bikes and seeing who is the best just like any other National series. Ozzy only had 11 SBK bikes on the grid at there last round so is there series a waste of time 2??
:weep:
We had some pretty decent crowds at some of the Nationlas this season

[Quasievil]

What a load of crap.
What is the point. The point is getting all the best riders together with the best bikes and seeing who is the best just like any other National series. Ozzy only had 11 SBK bikes on the grid at there last round so is there series a waste of time 2??
:weep:
We had some pretty decent crowds at some of the Nationlas this season

I only said crap twice, thats hardly a load!! now if I said crap like i dunno 20 times that would be a load.

[Tony.OK]

I think you will find that it was in response to riders wanting more races in the one day. That, and moaning about the SS class 'getting more time on the track' - because they get the same number of laps.
The organisers are damned whatever they do...the danger is that those few dedicated individuals will just throw their hands up and say fuck it - do it yourself.

The irony of it all, is that in recent times more and more riders have been coming forward on the day and saying how pleased they were with the whole setup.

Fair enough, thanks for that mate. It'll go round in circles/cycles forever I think.

[Benk]

The irony of it all, is that in recent times more and more riders have been coming forward on the day and saying how pleased they were with the whole setup.

Id agree with that. From a lowly posties racer point of view, I thought the last round was great. Ran like a clock, I much prefer the 3 races, and no formal scrutineering of the Vic rounds. Looking forward to paddling my way around Manfield this weekend.

[Billy]

Billy....

Tyres 1 Set - $700
If its wet then wets - $700
Accomodation - $300
Fuel Petrol Van - $200
Fuel Petrol Car - $150
Fuel Bike - $60
Entry - $130 ish I think
Brake Pads - $100
Pit Garage - $200

Plus test day expenses

Fuel
Garage
Tyres
Sign On

OK so weve got a pair of tyres $700.00
Petrol for the van $200.00
Fuel for the bike $ 60.00
Accomodation $ 97.00 per person per night at the raceway motel
Brake pads $100.00
Entry fee $130.00
TOTAL $1287.00

Anything else is your choice and nobody elses,Id also suggest you get your van tuned if it uses $200,00 to travel 320ks,Researched it today and it costs around $65.00 less to run a F3 bike for the day,So how does that justify more tracktime???

[Quasievil]

Im thinking Chop might be at a slightly higher level than most ?

[jellywrestler]

We had some pretty decent crowds at some of the Nationlas this season
Well said from someone who spent a fair bit tooooo much time as a spectator at them too!

[Str8 Jacket]

Well said from someone who spent a fair bit tooooo much time as a spectator at them too!

That's how he knows how good the crowds were.....

[Billy]

Im thinking Chop might be at a slightly higher level than most ?

Absolutely,But that doesnt qualify him for more tracktime than the rest

[Kickaha]

You cant be serious? Who would you consider to be premier? Sidecars??

A few years back I might have said sidecars as we were second biggest class and 1000cc bikes could barely get enough bikes for a grid (pre Choppa era)

I'd actually pick 600 though as over the years I would have thought they get better entries and quite often better racing than any other class

I just don't see the fact the bikes are faster and cost more money makes any class "The premier class"


Well said Graeme Staples(Woooooo I used your proper name!!!)
I thought his proper name was "you bastard"

[Quasievil]

Absolutely,But that doesnt qualify him for more tracktime than the rest

No No I agree, I think we where talking about different things n angles n shit

[Quasievil]

Well said from someone who spent a fair bit tooooo much time as a spectator at them too!


BWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH @ Craig

[gixerracer]

Well said from someone who spent a fair bit tooooo much time as a spectator at them too!

Yea I paid about 5k per weekend to watch them races:killingme

[White trash]

Yea I paid about 5k per weekend to watch them races:killingme

That's fucking dedication right there folks.................

[Crasherfromwayback]

Anything else is your choice and nobody elses,Id also suggest you get your van tuned if it uses $200,00 to travel 320ks,Researched it today and it costs around $65.00 less to run a F3 bike for the day,So how does that justify more tracktime???

F1 riders do seem to think they're superior. Doubt that'll ever change.

[scracha]

OK so weve got a pair of tyres $700.00
Petrol for the van $200.00
Fuel for the bike $ 60.00
Accomodation $ 97.00 per person per night at the raceway motel
Brake pads $100.00
Entry fee $130.00
TOTAL $1287.00


The pointy end of posties Jr is the road to poverty.
1/3rd of set of tyres (that end up on my roadbike) $140
Brake pads - $10
Doss in car - $0
Go go juice for car $180
Go go juice for bike - $30
McDonalds breakfast $10
Entry fee $130
---------------
TOTAL $500

So obviously the F1 guys should get 2.3 times the racing




F1 riders do seem to think they're superior. Doubt that'll ever change.

Calling CowPoos

[SWERVE]

So you listen to the riders, great! I saw you at VMCC last year looking less then impressed, what were your feelings? (Choppa)

Actually had no real complaints from those first two rounds last year....probebly looking less than impressed with the shite weather. Long way to come for a club meeting in the rain (twice) But paid off Ants won the first race outright(F3 - protwin) at levels winter series in the rain by 17 secs.
I liked the sign in - very quick and easy due to pre entry .. something we offer but dont enforce enough and it takes ages for sign on at MCC. We are looking at this prob. Call up/racing seemed to run very similar to down here on any given day. Actually a bit miffed cos streetstock was bumped in favour of 600s, (if i remember right) but that probebly biased as we were competing in it too. But i understand that something had to give.
The club season/winter series is exactly that in my opinion a series for club riders in the winter.......... we only did every meeting we could (first 5 in the rain) so then 15 yr old Ants could get seat-time on both bikes. It served the purpose last year....(you too needed setup/seat time on a new machine - and it paid off for you too eh.) however this year i wont be putting either of my riders on the track till at least sept.
We will however be attending all the winter meets as helpers/flaggie duties etc. and helping out the junior section.
As i believe there is little gain for a national title contender by doing 6 lap (or less) races in the middle of winter. This also gives the club guys and up-coming juniors plenty of track time and the chance to race in an environment to which better suits there ability at that stage.
Many of MCC national riders started like this..... it takes a few seasons for most to gradually move up the ranks, but the club believes in catering for those riders and getting them hooked (and we all know once you are hooked racing is THE ONLY thing that matters)



You would be surprised how effective these forums are! I emailed several members of MNZ directly. Not a single reply in 2 months. Post on here and facebook and I had several emails within 24 hours(Choppa)

+1 have had the same result.
And besides i lke to hear peoples opinions.... whoever they are and whatever they have to say.

All MCC committee meetings are open to paid up members.... guess VMCC is the same.

[SWERVE]

Yea I paid about 5k per weekend to watch them races:killingme

and as a paying SPECTATOR:lol: did you get value for money....... and how much of the 5k did you spend at the sub standard food outlets

200 bhp suzuki = really means - $200 bhp (burgers,hot pies)

just yankin ya chain bud..........good show..........at the end:2thumbsup

[Kickaha]

So obviously the F1 guys should get 2.3 times the racing


Only if they want to pay 2.3 times the entry

[CHOPPA]

OK so weve got a pair of tyres $700.00
Petrol for the van $200.00
Fuel for the bike $ 60.00
Accomodation $ 97.00 per person per night at the raceway motel
Brake pads $100.00
Entry fee $130.00
TOTAL $1287.00

Anything else is your choice and nobody elses,Id also suggest you get your van tuned if it uses $200,00 to travel 320ks,Researched it today and it costs around $65.00 less to run a F3 bike for the day,So how does that justify more tracktime???

Actually fair point, we dont deserve any more track time then others. I think everyone could get more racing if the classes were sorted so there was less classes that catered for cross entries. Combine F1 and F1. Give every class an extra 2 laps

The van is a new Hiace and towing a trailer its a hugry POS!!! No shit $100+ to fill the tank its gone by the time you get to Manfeild

[White trash]

The van is a new Hiace and towing a trailer its a hugry POS!!! No shit $100+ to fill the tank its gone by the time you get to Manfeild

Look at the state of the trailer! Fucken rockstars........

[Foxzee]

Epic thread fail. You can smell the remains burning a mile away.:facepalm:

Rob gas it....take your user name to the true meaning!

[gixerracer]

Actually fair point, we dont deserve any more track time then others. I think everyone could get more racing if the classes were sorted so there was less classes that catered for cross entries. Combine F1 and F1. Give every class an extra 2 laps

The van is a new Hiace and towing a trailer its a hugry POS!!! No shit $100+ to fill the tank its gone by the time you get to Manfeild

Combine F1 and F1 that is brilliant why havent they done this before:girlfight:

[gixerracer]

F1 riders do seem to think they're superior. Doubt that'll ever change.

They are:ar15:

[gixerracer]

and as a paying SPECTATOR:lol: did you get value for money....... and how much of the 5k did you spend at the sub standard food outlets

200 bhp suzuki = really means - $200 bhp (burgers,hot pies)

just yankin ya chain bud..........good show..........at the end:2thumbsup

You could write the menu to my fav resturant

[Foxzee]

Combine F1 and F1 that is brilliant why havent they done this before:girlfight:

It's happened......some on the grid in time and some having playground time in pits!....can't say they weren't accom'd!

[Foxzee]

They are:ar15:

There is a flipside and highside to everyone!:girlfight:

[slowpoke]

I'd have to disagree with this statement. I've followed the road race scene for many many years and for a long time it was the same old faces, with the imports adding to the mix and making it interesting.
It's only in the last two years that the Kiwi's have started to make in roads in my opinion in F1/Superbikes.
up until then aside from same old same old we had Shirriffs and Fitzgerald who were up there but not quite.
In the last two years Nick Cole, Sloan Frost, Ryan Hampton and James Smith have all shown their ability to poke there nose into the front of field with their own skills, not because someone else was having a bad day etc.
Shirriffs and Fitzgerald have also done this so I see it as anything but stagnant.
There's more to come from all of these guys too watch this space

I actually agree there is some light on the horizon with Chop, Jimmy and Nick providing a nice lil' injection in very recent times, hopefully it'll continue. But at the very pointy end it's the same ol' same ol' with Stroudy and Robbie a half step in front as they have been for the last....how long? I just don't think there's enough high level competition for the others to ever bridge the gap. Sorry, don't mean to be wet blanket and believe it or not I'm tryin' to be positive but just telling it like I see it.


Swerve and the crew at MCC have got it sorted and thats where the bulk of the up and coming talent is coming from,No question!!!

True dat!

The Vic club run a damned good club series with limited rescources and real helpers,I have never had an issue getting my point across to them either by email/Phone or in person,I cant say Ive always managed to achieve the right results imo,But they did listen and take onboard my ideas,The same can be said re MNZ,Maybe its about attitude and/or the way they are approached,Only they can answer that,But one thing I can tell you is I never recieved any positive feedback from either the Vic club or MNZ due to statements Ive made on this site!!

Looks like Choppa and I need to hire you as a media consultant Billy, 'cos after similar approaches I've got nowhere, hence I've raised the issue on here as a last resort. Maybe it's your "suit and tie" approach that's making the difference?

Giving the superbike class more tracktime at the expense of the other classes will do Nothing too improve the state of the class at National level,The guys at MCC are all rolling around the ground laughing at you.


At the expense of other classes? Jaysus Billy, wipe some of that 'glassing resin off the spec's mate. At round 1 Glen Skachill (F2) got about 50 min's track time, whereas Dion Sellers (F1) got about 25min's. Sound fair? And you don't think Hayden Fitzgerald or Rhys Holmes(sp) and Choppa would be encouraged to rock up if they had a decent competition to raise their game? And you don't think encouraging Glen Skachill or Jadan Hassan or Avalon Biddle (eventually) on to a superbike isn't going to eventually run on to the Nat's grid? Or more to the point not discourage them? Or even just more fast club level riders like BJ Cawthorn or Craig Frethey or Dion Sellers or Travis Moan or Tony Okeeffe on the grid wouldn't make for a better show for the spectators/sponsors? Short sighted in the extreme there mate.

The MCC guys are laughing because their F1 guys get about 40min's track time on the best track in the country. Versus 26min's on a much less technical track? I'd be laughing and rubbing my hands together too.


This is a very pertinent point too...
The costs in being on a competitive F1 bike are beyond most racers, so they are either forced to accept a non-competitive bike or to race in a 'lower' class (read as 'cheaper') OR they are simply not interested in riding a 300kph bike. They may be perfectly happy on their RG/KR 150.

Maaaaate, if you're half decent running an F2 or big Postie and cross entering your running costs would be higher than some body punting a run of the mill GSXR1000 in F1 under the current system. And hardly any club racers enter the Nat's or have theoretically competitive bikes, so that's neither here nor there.

Either way, why should these people be penalised tracktime just so the very few hungry F1 riders can have more? Don't they all pay the same entry fee?

Where have you people been?! We've arrived at a point where virtually every other class gets some sort of carrot but F1 gets the stick. Now when some people are trying to simply even things up and remove the favouritism you reckon it's unfair? See above example: 25mins vs 50mins....it's not rocket science to figure out who the greedy buggers are and it isn't the F1 crew.

You brought up the entry fee: how the hell is the above example fair? How is it that Choppa can sit on the grid having paid full entry fee yet an F2 guy can sit on the same grid for a lousy $40? So no, we don't all pay the same entry fee, F1 gets royally rooted again.


Don't mean to disagree with you all the time but what about little dan mettam??? He is, as we speak, in Europe about to compete at Aragon on the little 250's European class
Sure it isn't a superbike or 600 but he is only 15, and he got on a podium!!!

All good, Rach. I actually thought of young Mr Mettam (doing well too, isn't he!) but wasn't sure of the invitiational arrangements, hence put him in the "special case" basket. All the same it could definitely lead to bigger and better things (fingers and toes crossed) so you're absolutely right.

Who am I to resist someone who's so polite when they argue! (if only you could teach my missus the same trick....)


get the riders to send in a rap sheet with every entry maybe, now there is an idea to make things betterer

Great idea this one, should at least be mandatory at NZSBK events, if not club events.


What a load of crap.
What is the point. The point is getting all the best riders together with the best bikes and seeing who is the best just like any other National series. Ozzy only had 11 SBK bikes on the grid at there last round so is there series a waste of time 2??
:weep:
We had some pretty decent crowds at some of the Nationlas this season

Yup, and it's farkin' great to watch. Some of the things I've seen at NZSBK events are right up there on my "lifetime mental highlights reel", and beat the shit out of any racing I've seen on TV. Good value for the local clubbies too if they had a decent look at it. Shitloads of tracktime, with the best riders in the country, shame more don't have a crack at least at their local event. A local NZSBK event is much better value than any club event.


Absolutely,But that doesnt qualify him for more tracktime than the rest

Stop pullin' peoples pud's Billy, you know as well as everyone else that the F1 guys are just tryin' to get something closer to equal track time. Fark, I can just see ya perched by the glow of ya PC, hand on gland, and cackling like an ol' chook as ya give the pot another stir! No F1 rider wants more track than anyone else, we'd just like the same or at least somewhere close to it.

[slowpoke]

farkin' double postin' idjit

[SWERVE]

Combine F1 and F1 that is brilliant why havent they done this before:girlfight:

If you mean combine F1 & f2 ...thats what we do at MCC works well for us. And last season for KORrd 2/3 (i think) we increased laps for this class to 10. Giving the top guns a better idea of tyre wear/setup over more laps. As nats are 15laps.
Riders briefing was very clear......... you guys crash and hold things up - laps will be reduced.... they didn,t and it was a success.
However you do run the risk of the grid being to big in a combined class..... probebly in the later rounds........ then use a time cut off and drop them back into clubmans.
Make sure everybody knows thats the rules...... and you gotta play by them.

At MCC we dont time clubmans anymore....... it has no championship/trophy. This is to encourage the people who want to try out or happy to just get out there. And to make the competitive natured people move into a timed class.


Works for us.

[gixerracer]

If you mean combine F1 & f2 ...thats what we do at MCC works well for us. And last season for KORrd 2/3 (i think) we increased laps for this class to 10. Giving the top guns a better idea of tyre wear/setup over more laps. As nats are 15laps.
Riders briefing was very clear......... you guys crash and hold things up - laps will be reduced.... they didn,t and it was a success.
However you do run the risk of the grid being to big in a combined class..... probebly in the later rounds........ then use a time cut off and drop them back into clubmans.
Make sure everybody knows thats the rules...... and you gotta play by them.

At MCC we dont time clubmans anymore....... it has no championship/trophy. This is to encourage the people who want to try out or happy to just get out there. And to make the competitive natured people move into a timed class.


Works for us.

No I do beleive I ment what I said.
I was taking this piss Squire

[SWERVE]

No I do beleive I ment what I said.
I was taking this piss Squire
I know..........i meant to qote Choppa,s post.......... but not veey good at this computa thing..doh:(

[suzuki21]

What a load of crap.
What is the point. The point is getting all the best riders together with the best bikes and seeing who is the best just like any other National series. Ozzy only had 11 SBK bikes on the grid at there last round so is there series a waste of time 2??
:weep:
We had some pretty decent crowds at some of the Nationlas this season

Onya Craig. People need to realise riders step up at the nationals. Winning winter series races all the time wont make you faster - being beaten by faster riders will.

[suzuki21]

Billy....

Tyres 1 Set - $700
If its wet then wets - $700
Accomodation - $300
Fuel Petrol Van - $200
Fuel Petrol Car - $150
Fuel Bike - $60
Entry - $130 ish I think
Brake Pads - $100
Pit Garage - $200

Plus test day expenses

Fuel
Garage
Tyres
Sign On

This weekend would even be dearer if testing on Friday. Billys just used to sleeping under his van and only eats one pie a week.

[suzuki21]

OK so weve got a pair of tyres $700.00
Petrol for the van $200.00
Fuel for the bike $ 60.00
Accomodation $ 97.00 per person per night at the raceway motel
Brake pads $100.00
Entry fee $130.00
TOTAL $1287.00

Anything else is your choice and nobody elses,Id also suggest you get your van tuned if it uses $200,00 to travel 320ks,Researched it today and it costs around $65.00 less to run a F3 bike for the day,So how does that justify more tracktime???

You need to add $200 - alcohol for the crew

[suzuki21]

I just don't see the fact the bikes are faster and cost more money makes any class "The premier class"

Are you serious? Should bucket races be the premier class at motogp then?

[Billy]

You need to add $200 - alcohol for the crew

Not so mate,Your not on Choppa's crew and that figure was for a club day not a national round!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

They are:ar15:

I know you secretly longed to race 883 Harleys mate...

[MSTRS]

Maaaaate, if you're half decent running an F2 or big Postie and cross entering your running costs would be higher than some body punting a run of the mill GSXR1000 in F1 under the current system. And hardly any club racers enter the Nat's or have theoretically competitive bikes, so that's neither here nor there.


Where have you people been?! We've arrived at a point where virtually every other class gets some sort of carrot but F1 gets the stick. Now when some people are trying to simply even things up and remove the favouritism you reckon it's unfair? See above example: 25mins vs 50mins....it's not rocket science to figure out who the greedy buggers are and it isn't the F1 crew.

You brought up the entry fee: how the hell is the above example fair? How is it that Choppa can sit on the grid having paid full entry fee yet an F2 guy can sit on the same grid for a lousy $40? So no, we don't all pay the same entry fee, F1 gets royally rooted again.

Mate...you mistake me for someone who 'makes the rules' or even who sets the program.
I'm not.
I am a 'lowly' flag marshal. I'm there summer and winter so you racers can do your thing in relative safety.
This unique position of being near the coalface, but little more, for the last 6 years or so, means I feel slightly qualified to comment on generalities.
To be honest, I never thought of the cross-entering 'issue', but excepting that, what I said holds true.
I understand how rules can make some things sort of unfair. Having a modern, competitive F1 bike precludes you from any other class. It is your choice to ride such a weapon, though. Since the rules allow for cross-entering an F2 into F1, or a suitable Postie into F3 or F2 or F1, (or whatever other bike/class that fits within the rules) maybe riders for whom money isn't an issue, and who desire maximum track time, should consider one of these bikes?

[Billy]

50 min's [/B]track time, whereas Dion Sellers (F1) got about 25min's. Sound fair? And you don't think Hayden Fitzgerald or Rhys Holmes(sp) and Choppa would be encouraged to rock up if they had a decent competition to raise their game? And you don't think encouraging Glen Skachill or Jadan Hassan or Avalon Biddle (eventually) on to a superbike isn't going to eventually run on to the Nat's grid? Or more to the point not discourage them? Or even just more fast club level riders like BJ Cawthorn or Craig Frethey or Dion Sellers or Travis Moan or Tony Okeeffe on the grid wouldn't make for a better show for the spectators/sponsors? Short sighted in the extreme there mate.
Yip,F1 got 25 mins of tracktime,The same as Prolite 250/Streetstock,The entry level/feeder class for all classes!!!The one where Dan Mattam,Avalon Biddle,The Hoogie bros,Johnny Small,Eric Oliver Maxwell,Nick Cain,Jaden Hassan and many others got their first real taste of roadracing,Glen,Jaden and Avalon are always gonna be at National level cause theyve got the dedication and backing,Craig,Tony OK,BJ,Dion and company are only going to learn to go fast chasing the fast guys when they are operating at the max(Not during the winter on a cold track when theyre riding at 3/4 pace cause of the conditions)and theres NOTHING stopping them racing at National level now

The MCC guys are laughing because their F1 guys get about 40min's track time on the best track in the country. Versus 26min's on a much less technical track? I'd be laughing and rubbing my hands together too.

[COLOR="red"]Nope,Theyre laughing cause they give the extra tracktime to the entry level classes and its paying huge dividends and yet you think you know better and the extra time should go to the elite class:lol::lol::lol:[/COLOR

Stop pullin' peoples pud's Billy, you know as well as everyone else that the F1 guys are just tryin' to get something closer to equal track time. Fark, I can just see ya perched by the glow of ya PC, hand on gland, and cackling like an ol' chook as ya give the pot another stir! No F1 rider wants more track than anyone else, we'd just like the same or at least somewhere close to it.

Absolutely not,Youve already got as much tracktime as the most important class in the program,prolite/Streetstock,If anything,Id like to see the club combine F2 and F1 so they can promote those classes further as is done in the South Island.

[CHOPPA]

Absolutely not,Youve already got as much tracktime as the most important class in the program,prolite/Streetstock,If anything,Id like to see the club combine F2 and F1 so they can promote those classes further as is done in the South Island.

Seems like this thread maybe usefull after all. Everyone seems to be in agreement that f1 and f2 should be combined and scored seperate. This reduces the program by one race so that 4 sessions. Thats a lot of time to share amongst the classes

[Shaun]

Seems like this thread maybe usefull after all. Everyone seems to be in agreement that f1 and f2 should be combined and scored seperate. This reduces the program by one race so that 4 sessions. Thats a lot of time to share amongst the classes



I think this is deffinately the best way to re arrange this

[MSTRS]

Seems like this thread maybe usefull after all. Everyone seems to be in agreement that f1 and f2 should be combined and scored seperate. This reduces the program by one race so that 4 sessions. Thats a lot of time to share amongst the classes


I think this is deffinately the best way to re arrange this

But... but... but... then those that are able to cross over from F2 to F1 will have their tracktime curtailed...imagine the howls.
While GW sits quietly in the corner on his ancient Fizzer...smirking to himself.

[Shaun]

But... but... but... then those that are able to cross over from F2 to F1 will have their tracktime curtailed...imagine the howls.
While GW sits quietly in the corner on his ancient Fizzer...smirking to himself.


NO F3 Bikes in the F2 class, simple, mix them in another group

[MSTRS]

NO F3 Bikes in the F2 class, simple, mix them in another group

Why not just have one race with all classes included? Then those with small tanks can complain about those with big tanks...
:sarcasm smiley:
:lol:

[Shaun]

Why not just have one race with all classes included? Then those with small tanks can complain about those with big tanks...
:sarcasm smiley:
:lol:



And whinge about who has the cheapest NAPPIES to use

[MSTRS]

There are nappies that will fit under a race suit? Well fuck me - you learn something new everyday.

[Ivan]

Havent read it all,

I have nto been to the track this season as I am no longer racing,

But I think f1 and f2 could be combined who cares if 600s miss out on cross entry, 2 seperate points for thous and 600s

as Shaun said then no F3 bikes cross entering is really 2 supersport classes needed as usally thats all f1 is supersport with a couple of thous

[Billy]

NO F3 Bikes in the F2 class, simple, mix them in another group

Or better still,First 35 grid positions for F1 and 2 any grid positions left to the fastest f3 machines

Loading up to go to Manfeild now,So get fucked everybody til Monday

[Shaun]

Or better still,First 35 grid positions for F1 and 2 any grid positions left to the fastest f3 machines

Loading up to go to Manfeild now,So get fucked everybody til Monday



"Now then" Billy, that is a bloody brilliant idea, many many positives to it

1) The fast riders on the F3 bikes get a shite load of healthy practise, ie, passing a lot of other riders on the slower ridden 600 an 1000Z

2) Makes for a very full qrid, whick is deffinately more marketable than 10 bikes

3) More excitement for commentator and spectators

4) More potentuall for the VIC Club to gain sponsors/marshalls ( Due to marketing) to help

5) Cause I'm really a HOMO and Love ya

[wharfy]

But... but... but... then those that are able to cross over from F2 to F1 will have their tracktime curtailed...imagine the howls.
While GW sits quietly in the corner on his ancient Fizzer...smirking to himself.

Well F2 wouldn't loose anything they just have to share their races with the big boys and get to share the big boys races. - Unless the combined grid was oversubscribed !!
I for one would not be happy about being pushed out into clubmans (and I'd be a prime candidate !).

Then there would have to be equal track time for clubmans as well so double the clubmans races as they can't cross enter into any other class ?

In theory if you had the right pre-89 bike you could do pre-89 F3, F2, F1 & BEARS !!

I'm sure GW wouldn't smirk :)

So would EVERYONE get equal track time would with bracket races ?

we would need 3 or 4 time "brackets"
Based on mylaps "fastest times in races" for round 1 the spilts would be
under 1:17 A
1:17 - 1:24 B
1:24 -1:31 C
Over 1:31 D

Obviously we would need a couple of decent "qualifying" sessions based on engine capacity to separate the classes (numbers on the track) and that would be you bracket on the day.

So then people like me who would be on the cusp of A or B would have to decide weather we wanted to go hard out in qualifying so we could be last in A bracket or not try quite so hard and have a chance of a podium in B bracket ?
Normally my qualifying times are a couple of seconds slower than my race times so the above scenario may turn up every round no matter how hard I tried to get into the A bracket and of course the cut of time would have to be calculated each round to even up the grid numbers. So while it SOUNDS simple it would open a whole NEW can worms.
I have raced under this system at SOT and it was great - But it wasn't a series it was a one off BEARS event.

How many of the people that strive to be the VMCC winter series SuperSport Champion would strive to be 4th equal in the VMCC A bracket Championship ?
Would the VMCC pro-twin Champion want to end up 18th ?

OK so we separate out the classes for the points - The Pro-twin 3rd place series winner might never have raced in the same race as the pro-twin champion ?
I'm sure if we analyze the results we would find that a possibility in more than one class.

I'm not saying it wouldn't work - just highlighting a few of the issues that need to be considered.

To get the F1 guys more track time they could maybe run run with F2 - but not cross enter (cause you just can't run a thou in a 600 competition).
Currently any F2 cross entry into F1 will have to bow out if they are holding out and F1 bike so the same would apply to F1 running with F2 - and that scenario is MUCH more likely to happen.

If we did no cross entries at all how many 600 riders would not bother coming to our events ?

My brain cell is hurting now :(

[Tony.OK]

Well F2 wouldn't loose anything they just have to share their races with the big boys and get to share the big boys races. - Unless the combined grid was oversubscribed !!
I for one would not be happy about being pushed out into clubmans (and I'd be a prime candidate !).

Then there would have to be equal track time for clubmans as well so double the clubmans races as they can't cross enter into any other class ?

In theory if you had the right pre-89 bike you could do pre-89 F3, F2, F1 & BEARS !!

I'm sure GW wouldn't smirk :)

So would EVERYONE get equal track time would with bracket races ?

we would need 3 or 4 time "brackets"
Based on mylaps "fastest times in races" for round 1 the spilts would be
under 1:17 A
1:17 - 1:24 B
1:24 -1:31 C
Over 1:31 D

Obviously we would need a couple of decent "qualifying" sessions based on engine capacity to separate the classes (numbers on the track) and that would be you bracket on the day.

So then people like me who would be on the cusp of A or B would have to decide weather we wanted to go hard out in qualifying so we could be last in A bracket or not try quite so hard and have a chance of a podium in B bracket ?
Normally my qualifying times are a couple of seconds slower than my race times so the above scenario may turn up every round no matter how hard I tried to get into the A bracket and of course the cut of time would have to be calculated each round to even up the grid numbers. So while it SOUNDS simple it would open a whole NEW can worms.
I have raced under this system at SOT and it was great - But it wasn't a series it was a one off BEARS event.

How many of the people that strive to be the VMCC winter series SuperSport Champion would strive to be 4th equal in the VMCC A bracket Championship ?
Would the VMCC pro-twin Champion want to end up 18th ?

OK so we separate out the classes for the points - The Pro-twin 3rd place series winner might never have raced in the same race as the pro-twin champion ?
I'm sure if we analyze the results we would find that a possibility in more than one class.

I'm not saying it wouldn't work - just highlighting a few of the issues that need to be considered.

To get the F1 guys more track time they could maybe run run with F2 - but not cross enter (cause you just can't run a thou in a 600 competition).
Currently any F2 cross entry into F1 will have to bow out if they are holding out and F1 bike so the same would apply to F1 running with F2 - and that scenario is MUCH more likely to happen.

If we did no cross entries at all how many 600 riders would not bother coming to our events ?

My brain cell is hurting now :(

The other side of the question could be.............
How many extra riders would turn up to have longer races with a full grid to battle amongst?

If the classes were combined and disregarding cross entering, do you really think people would stay away even though across the board more track time is had?

And if laptimes weren't quick enough for a certain class, would the rider worry if they got bumped down but had the same tracktime? It is racing after all and a new goal/laptime may have to be a new target for someone to get further up. (please don't take that the wrong way, am generalizing)

[MSTRS]

I think there has been some merging of classes in the last year or three? (merging, as in running together in the same race, but gaining points applicable to their class)
I must admit that the new class titles are confusing. F1, Motards, ProTwins, Open Twins, SuperLight, StreetStocks, SuperSport, Posties (Pre-89, Pre-82, Pre-?) .... and with many being eligible and cross-entering 2+ classes, us poor bodies on the ground don't really know whos' who. To me, it seems easier/better to call them Fwhatever.

Combine whatever classes that (potentially) can run similar times, and disallow cross-entering - that would give everyone maximum tracktime, probably allow 4 races each, and level the field so no-one gets more racing than anyone else.
Could that work?

Although, calling up the next class/es would be a mouthful...

[Kickaha]

If you mean combine F1 & f2 ...thats what we do at MCC works well for us.

Works very well to, don't see to many MCC members on her bitching about the amount of track time they miss out on


Are you serious? Should bucket races be the premier class at motogp then?

They probably provide better racing and a bigger grid for a start

I see the premier class as the one that has the most entries and the best racing, nothing to do with the size or speed of the bike or how much money gets spent on it


Everyone seems to be in agreement that f1 and f2 should be combined and scored seperate. This reduces the program by one race so that 4 sessions. Thats a lot of time to share amongst the classes
Exactly the way MCC do it and have done it for a season or two

Senior class 1000cc and 600cc combined
Junior class F3/125gp/Pro twin combined

[scracha]

Grid = 35 bikes (ish).

F1/F2 Combined. Separate points for F1 and F2. If > 35 bikes then fastest 18 F1 bikes then fastest 17 F2 bikes. If <35 bikes then fastest F3/pro twin/posties cross entries get on the grid. If > 45 bikes then split into (A) and (B) grade.

F3/Pro Twin/125. If < 35 bikes then priority to F1/F2 bikes who haven't qualified (but they can't get points) over other cross-entries. If > 35 bikes then fastest 15 F3 bikes, then fastest 14 Pro Twin bikes. then fastest 6 125 bikes.
If > 45 bikes then split into (A) and (B) grade

Bears. Similar to above. Overspill the F1/F2/F3/Pro Twin/125 who haven't qualified. Again, they can't score points.

Posties As above but also overspill from bears.

Streetstock. As above but only overspill from posties jr, 125 or <60bhp bears bikes due to speed differential.

Clubmans. DROP IT. Adopt earlier suggestion for new riders.


Clubmans...I'm not sure of the point of this class any-more and ditching it would give far more track-time for everyone. Give "clubmans" racers a bright green bib or summit and allocate them a class based on their practise time bracket. If that means wobbly ridden R1's in F3 then so be it. If they're clearly not safe/competent then send em off to do more track-days.

Very little chance of riders going home without a ride as theoretical max of 20 non qualifying bikes to allocate via F3, Bears and Posties .

If there's time at the end of a meeting, extra races should be allocated by class with largest number of qualifying bikes unless this causes race order issues (i.e. back to back). e.g. If there's 30 streetstock bikes and 27 F1/F2, then the first extra race should be streetstock.

[codgyoleracer]

Wow, theres some pretty far reaching ideas in the above.
"Club racing" as the name suggests - need not be the same set up or follow the NZ nationals format.
It should be an opportunity for the organizing club to hold events that its club members want to participate in, - with the emphasis on fun.

With the AMB timing system now well entrenched - its possible to simply divide the "entries on the day" x the field size that you want to run. 20, 25,30 per race? - just decide on the day. "A", "B" , "C", & "D" etc. More needed if entry numbers are high or field sizes small.

One meeting you might turn up on your bike & qualify in the "B" group , but at the next due to the level or quality or amount of entires, you may end up in the "C" or the "A" group.

Plenty of track time, plenty of race time & plenty of close racing.

The main hassle i see if there were bikes with BIG differences in straightline speed............... I.E someone on a gsxr1000 that hasnt learnt to go around corners yet - out there amongst the higher grade classes. Also if you ride more than one bike - and if you happen to qualify them in the same group you would need to decide which one you wernt going to ride.

IMO - Motards shouldnt be excluded either.

The danger of course for the club - is that this set up would be a very different approach/philosophy and will no doubt piss a lot of people off who dont like change. Plus there are those that want to "win" a club championship class made up of similar performance machines. These people could still win a grade class though which still carries some mana.

Personally I have nothing to gain form this type of race format - in fact it would be a bad thing as i would likely end up in the "A" group on an F3 bike or my old Donkey Post Classic, with little chance at the top 3.

On the plus side though, plenty of track time, plenty of close racing, plenty of value for money.

Will it ever happen ? - , I very much doubt it ! :-)
Glen W

[jellywrestler]

The main hassle i see if there were bikes with BIG differences in straightline speed............... I.E someone on a gsxr1000 that hasnt learnt to go around corners yet
Not to many worries there,
Craig Shirriffs doesn't do the winter series...

[codgyoleracer]

Not to many worries there,
Craig Shirriffs doesn't do the winter series...

You'll get the back of my Jandal BOY!

[White trash]

Wow, theres some pretty far reaching ideas in the above.
"Club racing" as the name suggests - need not be the same set up or follow the NZ nationals format.
It should be an opportunity for the organizing club to hold events that its club members want to participate in, - with the emphasis on fun.

With the AMB timing system now well entrenched - its possible to simply divide the "entries on the day" x the field size that you want to run. 20, 25,30 per race? - just decide on the day. "A", "B" , "C", & "D" etc. More needed if entry numbers are high or field sizes small.

One meeting you might turn up on your bike & qualify in the "B" group , but at the next due to the level or quality or amount of entires, you may end up in the "C" or the "A" group.

Plenty of track time, plenty of race time & plenty of close racing.

The main hassle i see if there were bikes with BIG differences in straightline speed............... I.E someone on a gsxr1000 that hasnt learnt to go around corners yet - out there amongst the higher grade classes. Also if you ride more than one bike - and if you happen to qualify them in the same group you would need to decide which one you wernt going to ride.

IMO - Motards shouldnt be excluded either.

The danger of course for the club - is that this set up would be a very different approach/philosophy and will no doubt piss a lot of people off who dont like change. Plus there are those that want to "win" a club championship class made up of similar performance machines. These people could still win a grade class though which still carries some mana.

Personally I have nothing to gain form this type of race format - in fact it would be a bad thing as i would likely end up in the "A" group on an F3 bike or my old Donkey Post Classic, with little chance at the top 3.

On the plus side though, plenty of track time, plenty of close racing, plenty of value for money.

Will it ever happen ? - , I very much doubt it ! :-)
Glen W

Seemed to work very well in 98 for Tim Gibbes Suzuki Winter Series. They even paid prize money!

[jellywrestler]

You'll get the back of my Jandal BOY!

jeez Glen, are you Bipolar or what?

remember this wee bit of advice???
In order of appearance Kiwibonker is to used as an outlet for -

1) Humour (with as much Sarcasm as possible)



I hate being bi-polar, its' fucking awesome

[codgyoleracer]

jeez Glen, are you Bipolar or what?

remember this wee bit of advice???
In order of appearance Kiwibonker is to used as an outlet for -

1) Humour (with as much Sarcasm as possible)



I hate being bi-polar, its' fucking awesome

All us redheads are bro

[gixerracer]

Not to many worries there,
Craig Shirriffs doesn't do the winter series...

You no those unpais invoices I have. Yea they just went in the bin and I dont no what invoices you are talking about:mad:

[White trash]

You no those unpais invoices I have. Yea they just went in the bin and I dont no what invoices you are talking about:mad:

I don't think he's too fussed as I doubt he could understand what you were saying from that little jumble of words.............

[crazy man]

a pre 94 class would be good could put them in with the pre 89s to make more numbers

[Shaun]

All us redheads are bro



This one 100% IS, might help explain a few things in my life. It is easy to deal with ME now I am aware of it, shame I f'ddd a few people of along the way and a real shame I lost one good friend through it all

[Str8 Jacket]

This one 100% IS, might help explain a few things in my life. It is easy to deal with ME now I am aware of it, shame I f'ddd a few people of along the way and a real shame I lost one good friend through it all

Shit happens to everyone mate. It's the "going forward" that counts!

[Ivan]

Orangatangs of kiwibiker unite!