Govt will move against Kronic 'within weeks'

[mashman]

Waaaaaa ha ha haaaaaaa... (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9660386/govt-will-move-against-kronic-within-weeks-dunne/) the last time I looked at the "drugs" counter, Kronic was 1 of at least 7 alternatives... so we'll waste more money trying to restrict the stuff... Kids as young as 12 get access to alcohol, so I'm sure this proposed legislation will make a huge difference as to who gets a hold of "legal weed" :blink:... There must be an awful lot of $$$ being made for it not to be an outright ban??? With any luck they'll get their heads out of their arses and lump Cannabis under the same brolly... I'd MUCH rather smoke Cannabis than the alternatives I've tried (tested Kronic and FTP last week... and probably will again :yes:... and in the interests of fairness, I'll try the others too... I think V2 next)

But of course, as with everything else in life, there are the down sides... "However, the Australian Medical Association has said Kronic can cause severe paranoia, anxiety and panic attacks, high heart rates, agitation and restlessness."

Let's see now, eeeny meeny miny hmmmmmmmm

"Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Viagra:

Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); chest pain; fainting; fast or irregular heartbeat; memory loss; numbness of an arm or leg; one-sided weakness; painful or prolonged erection; ringing in the ears; seizure; severe or persistent dizziness; severe or persistent vision changes; sudden decrease or loss of hearing; sudden decrease or loss of vision in one or both eyes"

Waaaa ha ha haaaaaaaaa... yup, bright bright people up there in the hive leading us into a new era of boom.

[hayd3n]

Waaaaaa ha ha haaaaaaa... (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9660386/govt-will-move-against-kronic-within-weeks-dunne/) the last time I looked at the "drugs" counter, Kronic was 1 of at least 7 alternatives... so we'll waste more money trying to restrict the stuff... Kids as young as 12 get access to alcohol, so I'm sure this proposed legislation will make a huge difference as to who gets a hold of "legal weed" :blink:... There must be an awful lot of $$$ being made for it not to be an outright ban??? With any luck they'll get their heads out of their arses and lump Cannabis under the same brolly... I'd MUCH rather smoke Cannabis than the alternatives I've tried (tested Kronic and FTP last week... and probably will again :yes:... and in the interests of fairness, I'll try the others too... I think V2 next)

But of course, as with everything else in life, there are the down sides... "However, the Australian Medical Association has said Kronic can cause severe paranoia, anxiety and panic attacks, high heart rates, agitation and restlessness."

Let's see now, eeeny meeny miny hmmmmmmmm

"Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Viagra:

Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); chest pain; fainting; fast or irregular heartbeat; memory loss; numbness of an arm or leg; one-sided weakness; painful or prolonged erection; ringing in the ears; seizure; severe or persistent dizziness; severe or persistent vision changes; sudden decrease or loss of hearing; sudden decrease or loss of vision in one or both eyes"

Waaaa ha ha haaaaaaaaa... yup, bright bright people up there in the hive leading us into a new era of boom.
so would taking viagra and kronic at the same time eliminate some of the side effects? or increase(enlarge the outcome?)

[Paul in NZ]

Some people need to step the fuck away from the gameconsole and go outside and mow next doors lawns or rebuild an old bike or something. I've never been so bored I'd need to do that kronic shit....

[Indiana_Jones]

Good old NZ government, if there's a problem, just 'ban' it! :tugger:

-Indy

[jaffaonajappa]

"However, the Australian Medical Association has said Kronic can cause severe paranoia, anxiety and panic attacks, high heart rates, agitation and restlessness."


Ha.
I know heaps of cool things that cause the same reaction.
Started at age 12, getting caught reading porn.
Age 16, some birds knickers fell out of my schoolbag at school.
Age 20 something. Bored at work and caught rubbing one out.
Three day benders, then fronting up to the missus, who refuses to beleive the hickies were done by some mates having a laff.
Pulling up to the Puhoi, and slipping in the gravel resulting in a no speed drop.
All au-natural, no additives required.

[4AGE]

I think the issue everyone has with it, is the availability at dairy's etc next to the milk.

I say only sell it an booze/sex shops. Reduces access to young people.

Or maybe the dairy owners need to enforce the R18 restriction.

[Motu]

Some people need to step the fuck away from the gameconsole and go outside and mow next doors lawns or rebuild an old bike or something. I've never been so bored I'd need to do that kronic shit....

All well and good - but where do you appoint the blame? There always has to be someone or something to accuse,enjoyment by your own efforts is a dead end street...it just leads to happiness.

[Indiana_Jones]

I think the issue everyone has with it, is the availability at dairy's etc next to the milk.

I say only sell it an booze/sex shops. Reduces access to young people.

Or maybe the dairy owners need to enforce the R18 restriction.

Not a bad suggestion.

Agree about the dairy owners bit, but we know how much those wobbley-tops love their cash!

-Indy

[fuknKIWI]

Govt will move against Kronic 'within weeks'
Here in WA (Wait Awhile) kronic has been illegal since yesterday.

[superman]

Legalise the real stuff, promise you people will stop buying Kronic by themselves. :2thumbsup

[jazfender]

I don't get why the media keep pushing that story about the dude who had to go to a mental clinic for like a day. I'm pretty sure the original article said he had been using other drugs as well but that fact keeps getting buried further in each new reference to it.

Kronic is horrible shit and can give you some weird paranoia but that's about it.

There's always some guy doing it wrong.

240997

[Mad-V2]

Well I say Ban it, and all the other man made legal highs that have had no long term testing and nasty side affects.
Decriminalize cannabis, a drug that has minimal side affects compared to tobacco and alcohol and has not directly killed a single person on the planet due to it's use.
Why is it that I can smoke a joint of Kronic outside a police station (stuff that can hospitalize me) but I cant smoke a real joint in the privacy of my own home to simply relax and escape the stress of work and dumb people :ar15:

DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA!!!!!!

http://www.bongsbay.com/funny/marijuana-not-crack.jpg

[jazfender]

Why is it that I can smoke a joint of Kronic outside a police station (stuff that can hospitalize me) but I cant smoke a real joint in the privacy of my own home to simply relax and escape the stress of work and dumb people

I don't think it can hospitalise you really, the effects are similar to having a j - probably less potent even.

[scissorhands]

Made me tremble and I got a headache after. The headache after is common, along with trembling.

I dont think its good for me, its full of untested chemicals.

Crazy, why is the law unkind to the relatively harmless, non toxic real thing?

[Usarka]

I've tried lots of drugs.

It's been sports and the outdoors that have caused me the serious damage.

[Mad-V2]

I don't think it can hospitalise you really, the effects are similar to having a j - probably less potent even.

So your comfortable taking a man made substance that has had no long term affect testing, over a naturally occurring drug that has been in use for thousands of years (even Jesus used it), and the only real side affect people can point out is loss of short term memory :weird:
I tried the Kronic and found it was nothing like cannabis. It had a noticeable chemical feel to it that felt damaging. I just don't understand how people think that if man made it, it must be safe. If the government said they had developed man made synthetic apples, would you eat them over the naturally occurring ones?

[jazfender]

Made me tremble and I got a headache after. The headache after is common, along with trembling.

Common just with you or common with others as well?

I just figured my headache was from dehydration.

[jazfender]

So your comfortable taking a man made substance that has had no long term affect testing, over a naturally occurring drug that has been in use for thousands of years (even Jesus used it), and the only real side affect people can point out is loss of short term memory :weird:

Nah I hate that Kronic shit, it doesn't make me feel good either. I'm just sayin it probably isn't as dangerous as the media's making it out to be.

[Mad-V2]

I'd say the long term affects will show in a couple of years, the same as they did with the herbals. Then when people use cannabis to replace the Kronic when it's banned, they will find out they need more of a chemical high than weed can give you, subsequently moving on to harder drugs.

But thats just my opinion

[jazfender]

Now they're sayin Kronic may have caused a car accident. They're seriously looking hard for this shit, they always do it in media beat ups.

Wait for Kronic induced murders, suicides, rapes, porn downloaders...

[imdying]

Some people need to step the fuck away from the gameconsole and go outside and mow next doors lawns or rebuild an old bike or something. I've never been so bored I'd need to do that kronic shit....No alcohol in your house then?

[scumdog]

So your comfortable taking a man made substance that has had no long term affect testing, over a naturally occurring drug that has been in use for thousands of years (even Jesus used it), and the only real side affect people can point out is loss of short term memory :weird:
?

What a crock of shit argument - 'natural'...pffft, nightshade is 'natural' but it ain't safe.

Oh and were you there to see Jesus tokin' up were you?

[4AGE]

These legal highs contain cannabinoids, a class of chemical compound which are structurally relatated to THC. Chocolate and numerous medicines/pills (panadol) contain cannabinoids.

This is why chocolate is soo good. As it triggers the same receptors in similar ways to cannabis.

[Mad-V2]

What a crock of shit argument - 'natural'...pffft, nightshade is 'natural' but it ain't safe.

Oh and were you there to see Jesus tokin' up were you?

Do you see people using nightshade daily? there are alot of natural chemicals that you shouldn't take as they are poisonous.
of course there are dangers in taking any drug, but in my opinion cannabis is safer even than panadol to use on a daily basis. I am living proof of that fact.
As for Jesus, here is something I pulled from Google in seconds CLICK ME (http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html) Remember Jesus was actually a real person, he was just a little strange in the head for those times. These days were all a little bit mad, but it's more accepted and ya wont get crucified.

[ellipsis]

...some people shouldn't drink booze...some people shouldn't be allowed to drive a car...some people shouldn't be allowed to have children...some should not be in a relationship with another person...some people should not be given any of our oxygen, and some people should avoid mind altering states..


....im one of the above...

[unstuck]

Im probably all of the above. But there ya go, such is life.:banana:

[fuknKIWI]

...some people shouldn't drink booze...some people shouldn't be allowed to drive a car...some people shouldn't be allowed to have children...some should not be in a relationship with another person...some people should not be given any of our oxygen, and some people should avoid mind altering states..


....im one of the above...
Which one?:lol:

[scumdog]

...some people shouldn't drink booze...some people shouldn't be allowed to drive a car...some people shouldn't be allowed to have children...some should not be in a relationship with another person...some people should not be given any of our oxygen, and some people should avoid mind altering states..


....im one of the above...

So stop driving my kids booze..it's ruining your oxygeb relations

[Shadowjack]

What a crock of shit argument - 'natural'...pffft, nightshade is 'natural' but it ain't safe.
I'm always amused by the "natural 'erb" argument; my comeback is usually hemlock....

[Shadowjack]

As for Jesus, here is something I pulled from Google in seconds CLICK ME (http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html)
Ah, yes, InterNet ReSearch - must be true...

[fuknKIWI]

What a crock of shit argument - 'natural'...pffft, nightshade is 'natural' but it ain't safe.

Oh and were you there to see Jesus tokin' up were you?

pffft, nightshade is 'natural' but it ain't safe.
Ah you must be an accountant,what you've said is perfectly correct & useless information:tugger:

Oh and were you there to see Jesus tokin' up were you?
Ah a tertiarymillegenarian called Methuselah...yeah right.
Up until now I always thought the only stupid question was the one you didn't ask:(

[scumdog]

pffft, nightshade is 'natural' but it ain't safe.
Ah you must be an accountant,what you've said is perfectly correct & useless information:tugger:

Oh and were you there to see Jesus tokin' up were you?
Ah a tertiarymillegenarian called Methuselah...yeah right.
Up until now I always thought the only stupid question was the one you didn't ask:(

And a nice evening to you too sir:2thumbsup

[scissorhands]

I suppose some people will again buy cannabis...

[huff3r]

"Waaa waa waaa, Mr Government stole my toy. He should give me back my other toy cos its safer for me to use.

Or ill just beg/borrow/steal so I can get it myself hehe."

Meh. Grow up.

[Mad-V2]

"Waaa waa waaa, Mr Government stole my toy. He should give me back my other toy cos its safer for me to use.

Or ill just beg/borrow/steal so I can get it myself hehe."

Meh. Grow up.

Smart arse, would ya be saying that if they were taking your precious alcohol off the shelves?

[unstuck]

Smart arse, would ya be saying that if they were taking your precious alcohol off the shelves?

Pilots prefer the nosebleed,half the fuckers are snowblind. I,ve tried all the drugs out there over the years and if I felt the need to alter my mind at all my choice would be a nice big joint of outdoor organic skunk, anyday.You can keep your kronic,alcohol,ciggys,p,ekkies or any of the other shit. Happiness has been my drug of choice for a while now,damn its good and STILL legal.:banana:

[huff3r]

Smart arse, would ya be saying that if they were taking your precious alcohol off the shelves?

Precious Alcohol? Nah they can take that too :)

[jasonu]

...some people shouldn't drink booze...some people shouldn't be allowed to drive a car...some people shouldn't be allowed to have children...some should not be in a relationship with another person...some people should not be given any of our oxygen, and some people should avoid mind altering states..


....im one of the above...

I thought you were referring to Tongans...

[Brian d marge]

Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); chest pain; fainting; fast or irregular heartbeat; memory loss; numbness of an arm or leg; one-sided weakness; painful or prolonged erection; ringing in the ears; seizure; severe or persistent dizziness; severe or persistent vision changes; sudden decrease or loss of hearing; sudden decrease or loss of vision in one or both eyes"

Waaaa ha ha haaaaaaaaa... yup, bright bright people up there in the hive leading us into a new era of boom.

Sounds like what ive got , the doctor said it was common in men in my time of life , He called it "old age"

Btw the Japanese banned Kronic last month...... Now its back to the Nigerians in shibuya ,,,,

Stephen

[mashman]

Sounds like what ive got , the doctor said it was common in men in my time of life , He called it "old age"

Btw the Japanese banned Kronic last month...... Now its back to the Nigerians in shibuya ,,,,

Stephen

heh, there's no such thing :shifty:

Hell if it's bad for you it's bad for you, so many things are. The funny thing is. With grass we currently have local growers... the govt needs to contract these people in for an emerging Taxable NZ market :rofl:. T'would certainly solve a problem or two... it "may" create others? but those "other" things were going to happen anyway, and quite possibly with legal drugs. If they're gonna fuck people up, I can see the attraction for leaving them on the market :shifty:

... and think of the couch sales :).

[scumdog]

Precious Alcohol? Nah they can take that too :)

Me?
Love the stuff - or certain verieties of it.

But if it vanished from the face of the earth ovenight I wouldn't lose any sleep.

And it'd make my job easier - IF they also took away the 'recreational' drugs too.:yes:

[jazfender]

And it'd make my job easier - IF they also took away the 'recreational' drugs too.:yes:

what, are you a street sweeper?

liberty for a job, that's fucking great.

[Spyke]

I heard the guy who is making kronic in nz is selling $700,000 a week of the stuff.

totally agree with it not being in the dairy and no beer at supermarkets.

i reckon it is just another thing people can waste their hard earned dollars on.

legalise cannibus and stop paranioa!

[Banditbandit]

Good old NZ government, if there's a problem, just 'ban' it! :tugger:

-Indy

Yeah I'm for that .. Ban Governments ...

[oldrider]

Me?
Love the stuff - or certain verieties of it.

But if it vanished from the face of the earth ovenight I wouldn't lose any sleep.

And it'd make my job easier - IF they also took away the 'recreational' drugs too.:yes:

Funny isn't it T, here you are fighting crime on behalf of the community but if you guy's were completely successful at it, you wouldn't have job!

Would you lose any sleep over that?

Personally if they want to fuck themselves up with substances let them do it!

If they break laws or annoy others as a result of it, charge them for that crime!

If they die as a result of it ... fucking good riddance! :tugger:

[oneofsix]

Funny isn't it T, here you are fighting crime on behalf of the community but if you guy's were completely successful at it, you wouldn't have job!

Would you lose any sleep over that?

Personally if they want to fuck themselves up with substances let them do it!

If they break laws or annoy others as a result of it, charge them for that crime!

If they die as a result of it ... fucking good riddance! :tugger:

there are always motorcyclists to keep him busy :killingme

[Shadowjack]

Personally if they want to fuck themselves up with substances let them do it! If they break laws or annoy others as a result of it, charge them for that crime! If they die as a result of it ... fucking good riddance! :tugger:

In my more liberal hours, I tend to agree. With the proviso, however, that when those folks who, knowingly exercising their free will and personal responsibility, get themselves fucked-up on substances, they should not then come whining and moaning to the various Governmental health and support services when it all turns to tears. Our tax dollars at work, re-habbing (or not) the suckers...

[mashman]

In my more liberal hours, I tend to agree. With the proviso, however, that when those folks who, knowingly exercising their free will and personal responsibility, get themselves fucked-up on substances, they should not then come whining and moaning to the various Governmental health and support services when it all turns to tears. Our tax dollars at work, re-habbing (or not) the suckers...

I'm fine with that... as long as the same, you fucked yourself up treatment, goes for boozers too... after all, they're the ones clogging up the emergency rooms :innocent:

[oldrider]

I'm fine with that... as long as the same, you fucked yourself up treatment, goes for boozers too... after all, they're the ones clogging up the emergency rooms :innocent:

True!

Unfortunately if you had witnessed growing up with my generation, you would see that the booze attitude/problem was well under way then!

This generation's booze problem is the result of all the prohibition stuff that went on between and after the two world wars.

I don't think it's possible for those who were not there to realise what prohibition and then six o'clock closing was really like!

Prohibit something and even sane men will clamour to get it, just because they can defeat the prohibition!

I had an old uncle who didn't really want to drink but he would ride his old bike for ten miles in all weather just to go to the pub and "choose" to have a drink!

At the end of prohibition he never touched another drop until he died.

Stupid laws make criminals out of normally lawful citizens, once their virginity is broken it's only the degree of crime that changes!

[scissorhands]

True!

Unfortunately if you had witnessed growing up with my generation, you would see that the booze attitude/problem was well under way then!

This generation's booze problem is the result of all the prohibition stuff that went on between and after the two world wars.

I don't think it's possible for those who were not there to realise what prohibition and then six o'clock closing was really like!

Prohibit something and even sane men will clamour to get it, just because they can defeat the prohibition!

I had an old uncle who didn't really want to drink but he would ride his old bike for ten miles in all weather just to go to the pub and "choose" to have a drink!

At the end of prohibition he never touched another drop until he died.

Stupid laws make criminals out of normally lawful citizens, once their virginity is broken it's only the degree of crime that changes!

+10 full tank Oldy, WORD!

[oneofsix]

True!

Unfortunately if you had witnessed growing up with my generation, you would see that the booze attitude/problem was well under way then!

This generation's booze problem is the result of all the prohibition stuff that went on between and after the two world wars.

I don't think it's possible for those who were not there to realise what prohibition and then six o'clock closing was really like!

Prohibit something and even sane men will clamour to get it, just because they can defeat the prohibition!

I had an old uncle who didn't really want to drink but he would ride his old bike for ten miles in all weather just to go to the pub and "choose" to have a drink!

At the end of prohibition he never touched another drop until he died.

Stupid laws make criminals out of normally lawful citizens, once their virginity is broken it's only the degree of crime that changes!

Looks like Jim Anderson and few ALAC members have a lot to learn from you old fella.

[mashman]

True!

Unfortunately if you had witnessed growing up with my generation, you would see that the booze attitude/problem was well under way then!

This generation's booze problem is the result of all the prohibition stuff that went on between and after the two world wars.

I don't think it's possible for those who were not there to realise what prohibition and then six o'clock closing was really like!

Prohibit something and even sane men will clamour to get it, just because they can defeat the prohibition!

I had an old uncle who didn't really want to drink but he would ride his old bike for ten miles in all weather just to go to the pub and "choose" to have a drink!

At the end of prohibition he never touched another drop until he died.

Stupid laws make criminals out of normally lawful citizens, once their virginity is broken it's only the degree of crime that changes!

How times have changed eh. And after a few thousand years, look where we are. What an achievement.

[scumdog]

True!

Unfortunately if you had witnessed growing up with my generation, you would see that the booze attitude/problem was well under way then!

This generation's booze problem is the result of all the prohibition stuff that went on between and after the two world wars.

I don't think it's possible for those who were not there to realise what prohibition and then six o'clock closing was really like!

Prohibit something and even sane men will clamour to get it, just because they can defeat the prohibition!

I had an old uncle who didn't really want to drink but he would ride his old bike for ten miles in all weather just to go to the pub and "choose" to have a drink!

At the end of prohibition he never touched another drop until he died.

Stupid laws make criminals out of normally lawful citizens, once their virginity is broken it's only the degree of crime that changes!

So what you're saying is legalise the drugs and we'll 'only' have the same amount of problems we do with alcohol.???

Or have I got it wrong.

(Again?)

[mashman]

So what you're saying is legalise the drugs and we'll 'only' have the same amount of problems we do with alcohol.???

Or have I got it wrong.

(Again?)

They're all couch dwellers... they can't be arsed getting up to get beer from the fridge, let alone get their shit together long enough to head on out to commit some crime... and it ain't like drug crime will ever just go away... unless you allow people to choose for themselves of course. You never know, you may see a 25% reduction in alcohol related crime at the same time... guess we'll never know for sure.

[oldrider]

So what you're saying is legalise the drugs and we'll 'only' have the same amount of problems we do with alcohol.???

Or have I got it wrong.

(Again?)

Yes that's one part of it but then crack down on "actual" law breakers for the laws "they" break without passing blanket laws that punish those that "abide by the law"!

And sort out the laws that don't support the police and allow smart arse lawyers and piss weak judges to make a mockery of the police by letting criminals free to continue to wreak mayhem in the community!

And stop wasting time and money on treatment for idiots that continue to inflict damage to themselves through substance abuse, including alcohol, it's their choice!

Maybe then police would be able to concentrate on real police-able law and win back the respect of the public at large!

And don't try to tell me that what is happening today is working so if you want things to change, do something different!

It's like the blowfly on the window pane, no matter how hard he tries he just ain't going anywhere until he changes direction! :mellow:

Hey, no one ever said it would be easy.

[scumdog]

Yes that's one part of it but then crack down on "actual" law breakers for the laws "they" break without passing blanket laws that punish those that "abide by the law"!

And sort out the laws that don't support the police and allow smart arse lawyers and piss weak judges to make a mockery of the police by letting criminals free to continue to wreak mayhem in the community!

And stop wasting time and money on treatment for idiots that continue to inflict damage to themselves through substance abuse, including alcohol, it's their choice!

Maybe then police would be able to concentrate on real police-able law and win back the respect of the public at large!.............

Good call senior citizen - I can see why you got so old!:2thumbsup

[fuknKIWI]

If you banned or removed everything from reach some people would run round in circles until the got dizzy & fell over :weird:

[shrub]

Good old NZ government, if there's a problem, just 'ban' it! :tugger:

-Indy

yeah, but you gotta admit it's been successful - hell, since they introduced the Misuse of Drugs Act in the 70s cannabis use has um, er, well. OK, then there was the prohibition era - banning alcohol meant that crime was ah, hmmm, err...

Well on the bright side Disgusted of Herne Bay will be happy that Something Is Being Done About It.

[oneofsix]

yeah, but you gotta admit it's been successful - hell, since they introduced the Misuse of Drugs Act in the 70s cannabis use has um, er, well. OK, then there was the prohibition era - banning alcohol meant that crime was ah, hmmm, err...

Well on the bright side Disgusted of Herne Bay will be happy that Something Is Being Done About It.

well put and Disgrusted of Herne Bay will always find something to bitch about

[shrub]

well put and Disgrusted of Herne Bay will always find something to bitch about

That's the main reason for many of the laws that Our Beloved Leaders impose on us - to demonstrate that they are Doing Something. It's also an important part of our social construction to create "others", and if you're ever bored i suggest reading Edward Said's book Orientalism. If we can identify people who are doing stuff we don't do, and declare that they are wrong for doing that, it makes us feel right.

Disgusted of Herne Bay needs people like boy racers and drug users to be placed outside of the law/social acceptability because they believe life is a binary and there cannot be right without wrong, and if they (who are different and are therefore other) are wrong, then Disgusted is right.