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Edbear
18th June 2011, 20:36
I had a bloke around this arvo to look at my bike and he's pretty keen on it so he'll let me know tomorrow after taking pics of it to show his Missus. Meantime, as most here mayu know, I've had to sell my beloved Boulevard due to breaking my back and cannot ride, (or jog, run, play tennis/badminton, lift anything more than bout 10kg, etc. etc....), anymore. I had to sell our also much loved Nissan Pulsar that we bought new in '99 and had for 12 years of trouble-free motoring due to requiring a higher seating position. No amount of cushions etc. would work so I began looking for a replacement vehicle.

I considered second-hand and new begining with a short list of specific requirements. Firstly was seating position and comfort, of course. secondly, as far as new, I wanted the latest in technology and efficiency, which eliminated new cars with outdated technology. I also considered fuel efficiency, deciding I wanted no worse economy than the Pulsar which was rated at about 8lt/100km or 35mpg in the old money. (Yes, I could get 40mpg out of it on a trip).

Thirdly was features and value for money overall, what was I getting per dollar, and of course the final requirement was that my wife liked it... :sweatdrop

I took several weeks to analyse a lot of cars, most makes and models with sizes from small to medium, looking at the specs, road tests, the independent fuel-economy runs and talking to a lot of people in the trade. My short list in the end was the Honda City, (a brilliant small car and the best of them!), the Swift, (not as well appointed but NZ's best selling small car for a reason!), and the Honda Insight, a very well appointed and good value hybrid with unbeatable running costs. I worked out running costs as $ per 1000km and included RUC's for the diesel vehicles.

I gradually moved away from diesel as in the smaller to medium bracket the running costs were the same as for petrol. Where diesel is better is in the bigger SUV's simply due to the petrol engines' inability to come close to the diesel mileages. Diesels are brilliant by comparison to what they were and are now powerful, smooth and clean, but in my price brackets and economy needs the petrol's just had the edge in lack of hassles, ie: no road tax to worry about. Even Ford's brilliant wee Fiesta diesel lost out in overall economy to the Honda Insight and as with the RAV4 can only be had in a manual. I needed an auto.

So small cars came down to the City, Insight or Swift. The City has a huge boot, but it is deep and low which is not goods for my back. My wife didn't like the Insight and the passenger seat was not adjustable and was as bad as the Pulsar so I couldn't passenger in it anyway, although averyhting else was goos and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them, especially the economy, there simply isn't a cheaper car to run in NZ.

The Swift became the first choice for comfort and really would have taken the prize but for one other car. The Suzuki SX4i AWD is a great small SUV and unique in NZ being smaller, cleverer and cheaper to buy and run than any other SUV, alas, it was too noisy despite very impressive comfort and ride, with good power.

That left the medium sized cars, all about 2.4lt, and included the Camry, the Hyundai i45, the VW Passat, the Accord Euro and the Suzuki Kizashi Ltd./AWD. I loved the Toyota Sportivo and the Accord V6 which are very very good, espcially the Accord which closely matched the four cylinders' for economy. However the price put them in another level and more than we wanted to pay.

The Camry is a nice, smooth and comfy car but a bit plain-jane and dearer than the Kizashi with less features and not as good economy. The Accord likewise was rather pricey and while well specced I decided against it on price, also not quite as economical as the Hyundai and Kizashi. The Hyundai was my early favourite as my wife and I both like the styling and it was the most powerful on paper, had the latest tech and matched the Kizashi for economy but was a few grand dearer. It was superbly comfortable and would have taken the prize until we tried the Suzuki Kizashi Ltd...

On every count, it was at the top. I decided that with ABS, EBD, ESP and EBA, the extra $$$ for the Sport AWD was not worth it and the LTD. had a slightly softer ride as well. The Kizashi uses the well proven Vitara engine uprated for the Kizashi and matched to a CVT tranny with paddle-shift as well as Tiptronic, but in Auto mode it is so well sorted, you just leave it in drive. Dual-zone climate control meant Jill could have her side warmer than mine. Auto wipers were brilliant and not only came on in teh rain but automatcally adjusted speed from variable intermittant to flat-out depending on how heavy the rain was! Honestly it was intuitive and accurate!

All the usual stuff, cruise, fully featured trip computer, auto-headlights and auto-dipping rear-view mirror, auto- heated outside mirrors, 18" alloys, front and rear parking assist and cubbyholes and cupholders galore. Heated leather seats with 3-way memory for the driver's seat, tilt-slide sunroof, and on our car optional tinted windows. Extendable sunvisor's to block out that sun behind the mirror and of course lighted vanity mirrors. Have I missed anything..? Oh, yes the amazing Rockford Fosgate sound system with sub and the KYB suspension and Akebono braking system.

Coupled with the fact that is was the cheapest to buy and we chose the demo car which is the only Ltd. in NZ in this shade of dark blue and we got it $3k off with 2k on the odo... Stole it from the Manager as it was his... So he had to take his child-seats out of it... Never mind, I'm sure he'll find another one... Not in this colour though!

It's a limo to ride in, the cruise control is very accurate and it beats the Pulsar for economy!

So having a Suzuki, still, I figure I'm keeping the faith...

Edbear
18th June 2011, 20:42
PS. Sorry for the typo's but I can't be bothered going back and correcting them all...

unstuck
18th June 2011, 20:43
Well suzuki have been making cars since the early 1950,s or something so they must know what they are doing by now, and their jeeps are frigging amazing go anywhere little beasts. So it,s all good I reckon.:2thumbsup

Maha
18th June 2011, 20:46
You're a kind/generous and thought provoking man Ed, so, sorry mate, you're kiwibiker for life, bike or no bike.

FJRider
18th June 2011, 20:51
apparently .... :scratch: anybody with an interest in motorcycles .... can stay .... :lol:


Soooo ... I guess that's a yes ... :2thumbsup

YellowDog
18th June 2011, 20:54
Nice one Mr Bear. Just going through a similar exercise myself for the Mrs, having just sold her 1998 RAV4 Auto.

We seem to quite like the boxy Nissan Cube. Only 1400cc, but surprisingly nippy and a very solid ride.

Edbear
18th June 2011, 21:06
I am truly humbled..! I wasn't going to leave anyway unless I was kicked off here, LOL!!!

Oh as far as Jill liking it? Yup! It overcame her Scottish dislike for spending more than a dollar on anything, so it must be pretty special! :2thumbsup I suspect the heated seats and the dual-zone air-con made the difference...

Second-hand cars? Some good one's out there but I was conscious that had I been driving a vehicle with at least traction-control I probably wouldn't have crashed at all let alone with the results I now have to live with, so once looking at later model's with this safety feature, it became obvious we may as well buy new. The proof was in driving home this evening in the very wet conditions with rivers of water crossing the roads and running through a very deep puddle, (lake?), on the side of a street, the Kizashi didn't budge and inch, just plowed straight through as though they weren't there.

Mom
18th June 2011, 21:07
PS. Sorry for the typo's but I can't be bothered going back and correcting them all...

Disgraceful!


:whocares:

You just try and escape :ar15:

Edbear
18th June 2011, 21:09
Nice one Mr Bear. Just going through a similar exercise myself for the Mrs, having just sold her 1998 RAV4 Auto.

We seem to quite like the boxy Nissan Cube. Only 1400cc, but surprisingly nippy and a very solid ride.

We were taken aback at just how much grunt the smaller motors have these days. All of them would have outperformed the Pulsar's 1600cc with ease! Long distance travel would be no problem in them!

Edbear
18th June 2011, 21:10
Disgraceful!


:whocares:

You just try and escape :ar15:

LOL!!! You know where we live... :pinch:

jaffaonajappa
18th June 2011, 21:13
Ed, did you consider a Trike?

FJRider
18th June 2011, 21:13
Disgraceful!


:whocares:

You just try and escape :ar15:

Yep ... we'll find you ... and drag you back ... :banana:

Thats a promise ... :lol:

Mom
18th June 2011, 21:21
Yep ... we'll find you ... and drag you back ... :banana:

Thats a promise ... :lol:

As he just pointed out to me...

I know where he lives :yes:

Edbear
18th June 2011, 21:21
Ed, did you consider a Trike?

May as well have a car, mate. I love riding a bike for the reason's they are a bike and a trike is too car-like for me. The Missus likes them though. But at our age we're getting soft and spoilt with comfort and the MX5 is better than a trike for fun. I can still drive it as it's reasonably comfy with a cushion once down into it, but not daily for sure. It's a long way down and back up again requiring some bending and twisting which is not too good for me. Easier with the top down, though so in fine weather, it should still be great.

Edbear
18th June 2011, 21:23
Yep ... we'll find you ... and drag you back ... :banana:

Thats a promise ... :lol:


As he just pointed out to me...

I know where he lives :yes:

Anyone finding our place is punished with the best coffee's outside a cafe... :yes:

wysper
18th June 2011, 21:33
and the Honda Insight, a very well appointed and good value hybrid with unbeatable running costs.

Glad you stayed away from this one, my inlaws have one, I really hate driving it. I rather our '99 Camry station wagon!

FJRider
18th June 2011, 21:52
Anyone finding our place is punished with the best coffee's outside a cafe... :yes:

Oh yeh ... make me suffer ... I hope soon ... :lol:

huff3r
18th June 2011, 22:46
The proof was in driving home this evening in the very wet conditions with rivers of water crossing the roads and running through a very deep puddle, (lake?), on the side of a street, the Kizashi didn't budge and inch, just plowed straight through as though they weren't there.

Cos new cars are heavy! :lol:

Good choice though, they are a very nice looking car. And considerably better than some greenie "im better than you even though my batteries arent recycleable" hybrid!

jaffaonajappa
18th June 2011, 22:48
May as well have a car, mate. I love riding a bike for the reason's they are a bike and a trike is too car-like for me. The Missus likes them though. But at our age we're getting soft and spoilt with comfort and the MX5 is better than a trike for fun. I can still drive it as it's reasonably comfy with a cushion once down into it, but not daily for sure. It's a long way down and back up again requiring some bending and twisting which is not too good for me. Easier with the top down, though so in fine weather, it should still be great.

Yeah, fair enough. Im not sure an MX5 would be more fun than a Good trike....but agree an MX5 is a fine car.....am guessing the original 1600 manual, non electric steering versions would be getting close to some type of classic status. Still renowned for outstanding handling and have enough oomph due to its low weight? My dads wife had one a few years back. She was a haridresser....but thats coincidental. :lol: Was a fun car on fine days. :2thumbsup

Edit. I know nada about Suzuki cars. some have nada to comment...

Laava
18th June 2011, 23:08
Ed, did you consider a Trike?

Tis a cross between a car and a bike with all the disadvantages of both!:lol:
My folks and my in-laaws have both been thru this process of choosing a suitable accessable vehicle. My folks ended up with the City as the front doors open up to about 90 degrees and the seat height from the ground is high making it easier for my rickety ol' Mum to get in. Once in she is at home with everything as all the controls incl handbrake[the biggest put off for most of the competition] are able to be used by her knarled up arthritic old hands. The inlaws for similar reasons bought a Hyundai Tucson 2WD.

hayd3n
19th June 2011, 00:42
Yeah, fair enough. Im not sure an MX5 would be more fun than a Good trike....but agree an MX5 is a fine car.....am guessing the original 1600 manual, non electric steering versions would be getting close to some type of classic status. Still renowned for outstanding handling and have enough oomph due to its low weight? My dads wife had one a few years back. She was a haridresser....but thats coincidental. :lol: Was a fun car on fine days. :2thumbsup

Edit. I know nada about Suzuki cars. some have nada to comment...

1800 manuel lsd r2 edition here
(well the missusiss i drive it occasionally)

schrodingers cat
19th June 2011, 08:59
You've got lots of choice!
Suzuki, Obviously.
Honda - and if you buy an impractical S800 its got a motorcycle engine.
Yamaha do the head design for Toyota so at a push you're ok.
Don't forget BMW.

Of course you could buy a Ferguson tractor, put tassles on it and you'd fit right in.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DeVZtCTVR7M/TaLwVJJ1V-I/AAAAAAAAAww/FJqVa265eCk/s1600/john-deere-chopper-lawn-mower.jpg

240
19th June 2011, 09:39
Good choice Edbear they are good cars and Suzuki reliable as well.
Also if the motor ever eventually shits itself you may be able to whack an M109r motor in there!!:2thumbsup

Edbear
19th June 2011, 14:04
1800 manuel lsd r2 edition here
(well the missusiss i drive it occasionally)

Ours is a '94 1800 manual and arguably the best model with the first of the chassis upgrades, but a mate reckons the 1600's had the edge in handling on a track due to being a shade lighter. Whatever model you like, though, there's a reason they've been the world's best selling sports car since debut! We've got the usual Momo mods, wheel and pedals, a front and rear spoiler, aftermarket 15" alloys.


Good choice Edbear they are good cars and Suzuki reliable as well.
Also if the motor ever eventually shits itself you may be able to whack an M109r motor in there!!:2thumbsup

Was surprised at the grunt it's got! More like a V6 than a four! Torque from way down low, too! Missus says that now, whenever we go out, I've got to go and turn the heated seats on for her so she can get in and sit on warmth...

Edbear
19th June 2011, 14:10
Tis a cross between a car and a bike with all the disadvantages of both!:lol:
My folks and my in-laaws have both been thru this process of choosing a suitable accessable vehicle. My folks ended up with the City as the front doors open up to about 90 degrees and the seat height from the ground is high making it easier for my rickety ol' Mum to get in. Once in she is at home with everything as all the controls incl handbrake[the biggest put off for most of the competition] are able to be used by her knarled up arthritic old hands. The inlaws for similar reasons bought a Hyundai Tucson 2WD.

I agree, the Honda City is probably the best small car you can get right now, and the only reason it didn't suit was the low and deep boot. For most people that's not an issue, but for me, unfortunately, it was. The Sport model looked fantastic in the deep red and the driving position was almost perfect. Five speed auto is rare in a small car and the 6.4lt/100km rating is very good. I'd have one as a second car in an instant!

crazyhorse
20th June 2011, 06:25
Of course you can stay Ed, its still a suzuki - albeit a 4 wheel variety. Gotta put yourself first. Keep up the progress on yr recovery :hug:

shafty
20th June 2011, 08:48
...we are pro-grammed to receive, ...............you can check out any time you like, but...

Edbear
20th June 2011, 09:43
Of course you can stay Ed, its still a suzuki - albeit a 4 wheel variety. Gotta put yourself first. Keep up the progress on yr recovery :hug:

Mrs. Bear and I were discussing it this morning and we both felt the same. We've been having that, "What have we done?" reaction. We've never spoiled ourselves like this before and spent so much money, so we are feeling a bit guilty, as though we shouldn't be driving such a flash car!

The kids were blown away as they certainly weren't expecting it either. Of course they do approve...

We can't get over the economy! It's better than the Pulsar! And it's a limo to drive!

rickstv
20th June 2011, 11:10
Mrs. Bear and I were discussing it this morning and we both felt the same. We've been having that, "What have we done?" reaction. We've never spoiled ourselves like this before and spent so much money, so we are feeling a bit guilty, as though we shouldn't be driving such a flash car!

The kids were blown away as they certainly weren't expecting it either. Of course they do approve...

We can't get over the economy! It's better than the Pulsar! And it's a limo to drive!

This is called "post purchase blues" and is well documented. Google it. Car dealers are well aware of it too.
My ex attempted to return a car she had just bought because she changed her mind on the colour. This is how I found out about this condition.
Rick.

Edbear
20th June 2011, 11:26
This is called "post purchase blues" and is well documented. Google it. Car dealers are well aware of it too.
My ex attempted to return a car she had just bought because she changed her mind on the colour. This is how I found out about this condition.
Rick.

Yeah, I think it's just because we've been so indulgent. We'd be fine if we'd bought a second-hand car, or a smaller, cheaper one. We aren't naturally the show-off type and the neighbour's are jealous, so I tend to play down the purchase.

Elysium
20th June 2011, 15:35
Should've got a Honda. :yes:

Edbear
20th June 2011, 16:09
Should've got a Honda. :yes:

LOL! I do love the new City, it's got to be the best small car on the market and I'd have one as a second car in an instant, buying two new cars is a bit OTT, though. I'd have to be off ACC and earning more money for that. Mind you the Swift is a lot cheaper as a run-around for commuting...

If we hadn't gone for the Kizashi, (gotta think of a shorter name for it...), I'd have revisited the City despite the boot being too low. It's that good!

\m/
20th June 2011, 17:49
Good choice on the Kizashi, the new Suzuki cars are pretty good. I drive a 2007 Swift, it's done 67000ks so far without any issues, looks good with 17x7 Lenso D1Rs too.

jafar
20th June 2011, 18:12
A well thought out purchase there Ed, enjoy it :niceone:

Edbear
20th June 2011, 18:21
Good choice on the Kizashi, the new Suzuki cars are pretty good. I drive a 2007 Swift, it's done 67000ks so far without any issues, looks good with 17x7 Lenso D1Rs too.

I was surprised at the Swift. They are very comfortable for their size with good performance and good power, even with the auto.


A well thought out purchase there Ed, enjoy it :niceone:

Thanks mate! We intend to!

Edbear
4th July 2011, 10:47
I've been doing some experimenting with economy and having the multi-function trip-computer is very handy. The car has an overall ADR rating of 7.9lt/100km or 36mpg in the old money, which is a combined urban/rural figure and the manager had said that if anyone can match that around town, they must be a very economical driver!

On our test drive, I got 7.8, although it's been getting about 9.8, (29mpg), around town most of the time while not trying for the best economy. I filled it up for the first time yesterday to go and visit family in Panmure, (Thanks Countdown for 21c/lt discount voucher..). So on the trip in I kept an eye on the mileage and got it down briefly to 6.6, (42mpg), but by the time I got to Pilkington Rd. it had averaged 6.8, (41mpg), overall. I also filled it with Gull's Force-10, 98 blend to see if it makes a difference. Can't tell just yet, I'll see if we get better range over this tankfull, but it will more likely be perceived than actual as I won't be able to dyno it. All the economy testing on the car was done on 91.

So when you consider it's a medium sized car with a 2.4lt engine, to match the 1600 Pulsar is an amazing feat!

Oh, and the heated seats are bliss! :innocent:

Edbear
4th July 2011, 13:01
Oh, BTW it's revving at just 1800rpm at 100km/h. I thought the Pulsar was high geared at 2400rpm. Our MX5 is doing 3400rpm at 100km/h but under 2k is the territory of V8's and bigger turbo-diesel's! Even at such low revs, it has the torque to pull it and doesn't die on hills.

Edbear
14th October 2011, 19:32
Not sure how this would relate to a bike, but as I can't ride a bike anymore I'd be interested if anyone has done a similar comparison.

I thought I'd see just how economical a 2.4lt CVT auto with the climate control on can be on our trip into town today. So keeping up to the speed limit and using as little throttle as possible I saw it get down to 7.2lt/100km, (average), which is just on 40mpg in the old money, so I was pretty impressed. As we pulled into the Albany Centre, it was showing 7.5 or 37.5mpg. However, on the way back from Panmure in peak traffic where we were averaging about 20km/h it crept up to 9.3lt/100km, (30mpg). Obviously stop/start traffic is bad for economy! <_<

Has anyone done a test on their bike to see what the difference is? It didn't seem to make much difference on the C50T from memory, certainly not as much as the car for sure!