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husaberg
12th April 2012, 23:33
I wouldn't be comfortable putting that rod in my engine on the evidence presented.
Weren't you giving Dave and Speedpro shit for ages about questionable (in your opinion) legality of parts?
Doesn't sound like me:innocent:
But you do seem to be wavering a bit to the dark side there Koba.
There is a lot of things i wouldn't personally feel "comfortable" with that are in fact legal.:buggerd:
Like i said debate is healthy. But i guess you are still in the. I don't think is legal camp?
Moooools
13th April 2012, 00:14
Doesn't sound like me:innocent:
But you do seem to be wavering a bit to the dark side there Koba.
There is a lot of things i wouldn't personally feel "comfortable" with that are in fact legal.:buggerd:
Like i said debate is healthy. But i guess you are still in the. I don't think is legal camp?
I want to get in on this.:innocent:
If I had a company called Racing Kart the first thing I would make would be parts for racing karts.
My take would be that it is most likely a part for another kart engine that could be used for the SGM. I don't see why a company called Racing Kart would make a rod that was neither intended for racing, nor kart just so someone could adapt it for a racing kart engine.
I know, how abouts you email them ask ask what its original purpose was. I would love to see the reply.
Henk
13th April 2012, 06:18
So if I can find a wiseco rod advertised as designed for a Honda RS125 is it legal? HRC didn't make the thing after all.
Yow Ling
13th April 2012, 09:38
I think Husaburg has maybe shot himself in the foot here, by going on and on about legal or not legal mainbearings etc and creating a cloud over lots of things that are just generic high quality parts that happen to be used in race engines as well as non competition.
Then he finds himself in a situation where he has found the perfect rod which is right in every way except eligibility and is trying to convince himself and others its ok simply by 2 words on the website. Kind of like convincing your wife a bit of offshore drilling would be OK
Truth is if he just bought it and fitted it nobody would be any the wiser, there is only 1 race a year on the west coast.
kel
13th April 2012, 10:35
wheres that list Kel ya slacker;)
What list? I run a TKRJ DT125 rod and bearing. I may have mentioned that I have created a list that cross referenced non model specific big ends that will fit my rod in case the standard product is not up to the job? If your rod and bearing are non model specific then use them and tell everyone to stick their misrepresentation of the rules up their pipes, just make sure you have it fully covered.
As for your kart parts, looks like you only got a couple of bites :lol:
husaberg
13th April 2012, 16:43
What list? I run a TKRJ DT125 rod and bearing. I may have mentioned that I have created a list that cross referenced non model specific big ends that will fit my rod in case the standard product is not up to the job? If your rod and bearing are non model specific then use them and tell everyone to stick their misrepresentation of the rules up their pipes, just make sure you have it fully covered.
As for your kart parts, looks like you only got a couple of bites :lol:
Sorry kel it was Bert, i had talked to you about the Prox Cattledog at the same time Whoops.
You must err type a like?
husaberg
13th April 2012, 20:18
I want to get in on this.:innocent:
If I had a company called Racing Kart the first thing I would make would be parts for racing karts.
My take would be that it is most likely a part for another kart engine that could be used for the SGM. I don't see why a company called Racing Kart would make a rod that was neither intended for racing, nor kart just so someone could adapt it for a racing kart engine.
I know, how abouts you email them ask ask what its original purpose was. I would love to see the reply.
I think the email is on the website email away.
the rest of my side of the debate is below.
So if I can find a wiseco rod advertised as designed for a Honda RS125 is it legal? HRC didn't make the thing after all.
As below.....
I think Husaburg has maybe shot himself in the foot here, by going on and on about legal or not legal mainbearings etc and creating a cloud over lots of things that are just generic high quality parts that happen to be used in race engines as well as non competition.
Then he finds himself in a situation where he has found the perfect rod which is right in every way except eligibility and is trying to convince himself and others its ok simply by 2 words on the website. Kind of like convincing your wife a bit of offshore drilling would be OK
Truth is if he just bought it and fitted it nobody would be any the wiser, there is only 1 race a year on the west coast.
A little harsh have you read all my posts. i guess you may not have .But don't worry Husaberg fires only blanks these days:2thumbsup
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Look guys I never suggested Speedro was cheated I simply pointed out By his own interpretation of the rules that he offered on the board both He and Dave were saying he was.
this is my original post that they both responded to It was never my intention to start a shit fight.
but when attacked I will respond
24-2-4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no
restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve
springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. All engines must be normally
aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, which may be turbo or
supercharged.
F4 2 stroke engines over 104cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a single 24mm
carburettor, F5 4 stroke engines over 53cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a
single 20mm carburettor.
For the benefit of other I will clearly state my position
Whist the rules look like they have a typo they say what they say that's it warts and all.
They say what they say Don't shoot the messenger.
I would not race with a rs125 barrel or crank or gearbox because that's not what buckets are about it's a open sport that is meant to encourage development at a reasonable cost for all.A class were a clever engineer or tuner can experiment and show flair and parts bin raiding to get what you want but i would not feel guilty about using a cr125 big end bearing or a cr80 clutch Plates.
I to would want to see the s removed and the rest of the points cleared up.
I say we are all jackasses for being on the computer when we should be spending time on our bikes
Ps i do feel remorse for the comments made about the shagging.But its was meant to be a slagging match thread wasn't it
I do like to think i are actually trying to encourage open debate of the rules.
Some of my post can be a little devious mind you, i must admit that.
The rod is far from perfect i would rather have a wider big end a 18mm little end and thats just for starters. It was actually posted
as it would be perfect for say a MB100.
Here is the dimensions for a real SGM125 rod. Rather than just for a rod that is "Adaptable" to one.
http://www.maranello-engineering.com/sgm/bmz_cache/4/42f336c5b0f3237e1ab370e5f315c373.image.640x306.jpg
Connecting Rod 20x113mm
Model: F196.20113
Manufacturer: SGM Engines
Price: 178.61EUR 151.82EUR
Racing rod, big diameter 26 mm, small diameter 19 mm, thickness 15 mm, length 113 mm
http://www.maranello-engineering.com/sgm/connecting-rod-20x113mm-p-244.html?zenid=a1865b3d0272c53d530356f1bd0ba66a
This rod i deem to be illegal.
My ideal rod would be around 112 -113mm support a 20mm crankpin big end 17mm ish wide and a 18mm little end for a 14mm pin and be er....Free
Which i don't have BTW no ones said anything about the bearing that were posted with it either why is that?
But if we must rule out the rod we have to first do all this
Exclude the rather obvious s in the rules as i has pointed out at least 10 times before.
Exclude the MNZ own rulings.
Exclude the fact that "Adaptable" means just that.
Exclude that fact that it is not written that it has to be from any given manufacturer.
Then exclude the fact it is not written anywhere who is allowed or has to sell the rod.
Bu....t Yes that is right one one actually knows (or probably cares)what rod i do or not have.
but i do know the answer to the offshore drilling question. Not in favour of it apparently:lol:
Oh we do have have vehicles that allow us coaster's to enter other race meeting's you know.
I also seem to remember there is a Kart club as well that doesn't mind buckets crashing the party as well.
bucketracer
14th April 2012, 08:07
sorry i disagree if you read again it says adaptable to a competition motor. the racing kart logo is i believe the manufacturer.
Yes " it says adaptable " well clearly English is not the manufacturers first language, so are we playing semantics with their imperfect interpretation. I wounder what they meant in their own language?
husaberg
14th April 2012, 08:58
Yes " it says adaptable " well clearly English is not the manufacturers first language, so are we playing semantics with their imperfect interpretation. I wounder what they meant in their own language?
You may be correct. on all three counts, but the point is as with any rule it is what it actually says that actually matters.
The word as far as i am aware is actually based on a a latin word so i guess there meaning will be very similar if not exactly the same anyway.
adapt (əˈdæpt)
— vb
1.
( often foll by to ) to adjust (someone or something, esp oneself) to different conditions, a new environment, etc
2.
( tr ) to fit, change, or modify to suit a new or different purpose: to adapt a play for use in schools
Definition of ADAPTABLE
: capable of being or becoming adapted
— adapt·abil·i·ty \-ˌdap-tə-ˈbi-lə-tē\ noun
See adaptable defined for English-language learners »
Examples of ADAPTABLE
1. an adaptable tool that combines a screwdriver, a corkscrew, and pliers
2. <an activities director who's adaptable to any kind of situation>
First Known Use of ADAPTABLE
1800
Related to ADAPTABLE
Synonyms: versatile, all-around (also all-round), protean, universal
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Adj. 1. adaptable - capable of adapting (of becoming or being made suitable) to a particular situation or use; "to succeed one must be adaptable"; "the frame was adaptable to cloth bolts of different widths"
unadaptable - not adaptable
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2011 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
adaptable
adjective
1. flexible, variable, versatile, resilient, easy-going, changeable, modifiable, conformable They are adaptable foragers that can survive on a wide range of foods.
2. adjustable, flexible, compliant, malleable, pliant, plastic, modifiable, alterable He hopes to make the workforce more adaptable and skilled.
Collins Thesaurus of the English Language – Complete and Unabridged 2nd Edition. 2002 © HarperCollins Publishers 1995, 2002
Bert
14th April 2012, 09:06
Cool an English lesson: I use to have to write out pages of the "collins"... never understood why I still can't spell given the pure numbers of words written....
not quite right but totally fine in terms of our current rules: AF1 is a non-comp engine.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150792156398
Just bore out your pistons to 15mm and be done with it... it's only 0.5mm and they will still be strong at the pin and if your lucky the clip groves will still be there to deepen.
I've got Kamil's email address (and catalogue all 19mb of it) and he's great to deal with; given he's in Poland... fast turn around; better than some of the local shops here in PN...:facepalm:
husaberg
14th April 2012, 18:46
http://www.mxcomposites.com/con_rod.php
http://www.connectingrod.com.tw/ktm.htm
http://www.pro-x.com/downloads/Technical.pdf
http://www.kevinbreedonracing.co.uk/products_conrods.asp
http://www.connectingrod.com.tw/honda.htm
http://www.samarin.nl/webshop/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=32
http://www.tkrj.co.jp/
http://findebookee.com/c/connecting-rod the one is capt
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/399336/Pictures/Posted/HotRod.pdf
http://www.kingrod.com.tw/products.php?func=p_list&pc_parent=22
http://www.crankshaftparts.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=67_93&limit=100
http://shop.atlanticmotoplex.ca/productdetail.htm?productId=10295201&browse=256115&shopBy=13698&catalogId=2016
http://jjmachineryonline.com/snowmobile/crankshaft-rebuild-kits-and-parts/connecting-rods
http://www.scooter-center.com/scoweb...y2=CAT&lang=en
http://www.bansheedepot.com/products.asp?cat=17
http://http://www.samarin.net/?productos (http://www.samarin.net/?productos)
http://www.pvlsverige.se/vrm/index/index22.html
husaberg
29th April 2012, 15:12
Source of the rod adaptable to the sgm engine
Bugggerrr
It is actually made for a RG500 but........
http://www.maranello-engineering.com/eshop/connecting-rod-20x113mm-p-244.html
Nice site though.
Nice Rg500 cylinders as well.
husaberg
8th July 2012, 12:15
Source of the rod adaptable to the sgm engine
Bugggerrr
It is actually made for a RG500 but........
http://www.maranello-engineering.com/eshop/connecting-rod-20x113mm-p-244.html
Nice site though.
Nice Rg500 cylinders as well.
storing some links....
Found this cattledog today it a euro one so useful for weird euro stuff
http://http://www.pbr.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8993%3Aaprilia-50-rs&catid=39%3Acorone-e-pignoni&Itemid=99&lang=en (http://www.pbr.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8993%3Aaprilia-50-rs&catid=39%3Acorone-e-pignoni&Itemid=99&lang=en)
husaberg
28th November 2013, 17:59
http://www.pyramidparts.co.nz/pages/cables
Cables etc.
Part interchangeability MX bikes site.
http://www.oem-cycle.com/BikeIdentification.s
Kickaha
28th November 2013, 18:59
http://www.pyramidparts.co.nz/pages/cables
Cables etc
Going by some of their other parts the quality will be total shit and wont fit anyway
husaberg
28th November 2013, 19:03
Going by some of their other parts the quality will be total shit and wont fit anyway
no idea i just use the storage of links
husaberg
18th March 2015, 18:01
http://www.con-rod.com.tw/motorcycle-connecting-rod.htm
http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mingyang-group.2u.com.tw%2Fpdf%2FCAPT-conrod.pdf&ei=iBQJVdibIdXv8gWHmIHoDQ&usg=AFQjCNFf-gNnmOpzO-D1MVppLeMVAqjHUA
husaberg
3rd February 2019, 11:10
https://www.pbr.it/sites/default/files/pdf/Catalogo_ingranaggi_2018_1.pdf
https://www.pbr.it/configuratore
http://www.jtsprockets.com/catalogue/
https://www.metalgear.com.au/sprockets/
https://www.metalgear.com.au/brake-discs/
https://goldfrenbrakes.co.uk/cylinder-rubbers?pagenumber=8
https://www.electro-tech-online.com/threads/atom-diy-module.142530/
http://www.factorypro.com/tech/needle_jet,sizes,Mikuni,FactoryPro.htm
http://www.factorypro.com/tech/vstack_information.html
http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/threads/23656-reprogramming-a-delco-ecu
http://www.factorypro.com/tech/radiator%20cap,hi%20pressure.html
http://www.factorypro.com/Prod_Pages/prody_td3,72.htm
https://goldfrenbrakes.co.uk/cylinder-rubbers?pagenumber=8
https://www.bukalapak.com/p/motor-471/sparepart-motor/piston/31m4c-jual-piston-kit-hispeed-prox-mio-nouvo-66mm-pin-15?from=omnisearch&product_owner=normal_seller&search%5Bkeywords%5D=Piston%20Kit%20Hispeed%20ProX %20Mio%2FNouvo%2066mm%20Pin%2015
husaberg
12th April 2020, 14:26
https://moto50.ru/catalogues/italkit-Catalogo-2015-16.pdf
http://catalog.vesrah.co.jp/list/product_parts.asp
husaberg
22nd December 2020, 21:38
https://www.bungking.com/brass-filler-cap-and-bung/
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