GPs can lick my balls

[Usarka]

Why are these fuckwits always late.

Don't give me the "oh but there's emergencies" bollox, every single frucken time I go I have to wait half an hour, last time I was the arrogant pricks first appointment after lunch. I bet he was jerking off while sniffing some old biddy's stool sample. Once in a while is fine, but every fucking time a coconut.

Every other company you pay $150/hr has worked out the art of resource scheduling and levelling. How many of us can keep customers waiting for 1/2 an hour and say "oh sorry I had an emergency" every time we see them.

Doctors can suck arse biscuit.

[rachprice]

Patients have a lovely habit of taking up your time

Door-handle problems

They spend 15min telling bout this rash and just as they walk out the door oh by the way I've been thinking about killing myself

Or the bad asthmatic that turns up insisting they aren't bad but are minutes from death

And you know what? So what if they had a break at lunch, god forbid they should eat eh? Or have a break, would you want a doctor working on you that hasn't eaten and has been working 8 hours in a row ???

[Usarka]

Sure there are emergencies and thats fine. But every single time they're late. I'd bet you $50,000 the next GP appointment I have I'll have to wait at least 15 minutes.

Professionals outside the health system deal with interuptions and emergencies all the time too but seem to manage it. How many people in the real world can keep customers waiting because they didn't have lunch?

[imdying]

I think you may have missed the thrust of his argument Rachel.


always late.

every single frucken time

Once in a while is fine, but every fucking time a coconut.

every time we see them.

I would have thought that changing doctors was a pretty obvious solution. Mind, who goes to the doctor often enough to care? Hmmmm, you got the AIDS Usarka? :sherlock:

[Usarka]

Hmmmm, you got the AIDS Usarka? :sherlock:

That's another thing, I got it from my doctor :(

[rachprice]

Things like that do happen everyday though you would be surprised

Most gp's aren't just being lazy late bastards on purpose, if they need to take extra time for someone in need they will

[imdying]

Things like that do happen everyday thoughReally? I thought it was all the homos shagging each other in the anus that was the chief cause?

[Bald Eagle]

On the very rare ocassions I am forced to visit my local medical practice two things always happen:
1. I see a different Doctor every time
2. Regardless of my appointment time I have to wait beyond that.

If they book an appointment it would seem reasonable to be on time for it, after all we have to be otherwise the receptionist will tell you to go away. . Simple customer service.

I think it's their underlying GOD complex / arrogance that they don't need to care about customer service.

[rachprice]

Really? I thought it was all the homos shagging each other in the anus that was the chief cause?

Cheeky shit!

[Usarka]

Really? I thought it was all the homos shagging each other in the anus that was the chief cause?

Or if they reuse the glove :sick:



they don't need to care about customer service.

That's it, we're not customers despite paying $150/hr.

The guys in my team deal with interuptions and emergencies constantly but god help them if they're late for a customer meeting. But we factor these interuptions into our scheduling and resourcing so we can manage it most times - like just about every company outside health has to do these days.

[rachprice]

I think it's their underlying GOD complex / arrogance that they don't need to care about customer service.

that is fucking bullshit most doctors get into medicine because they do care

[ducatilover]

Looks like the whambulance is late today too :hug: I sure as hell wouldn't want to do their job, fuck that, too much stress. I'll stick to being a man slut.

[Usarka]

The whambulance is always on time.

I haven't had a good whinge for a while, it's like having a tug it cleans out the pipes. I'm kind of with you about not doing their job, the waiting room stank like some old bag's vag had prolapsed all over the floor and i was glad for an excuse to leave.

But then again I wouldn't want to work at Wendy's either but I always get my big classic on time!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Really? I thought it was all the homos shagging each other in the anus that was the chief cause?

Nope. It's all the arse banging homos shagging each other in the anus unprotected that does that!

[Hellzie]

Things like that do happen everyday though you would be surprised

Most gp's aren't just being lazy late bastards on purpose, if they need to take extra time for someone in need they will

But in that case shouldn't they leave enough contingency time in between appointments to cover those everyday occurrences?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think it's their underlying GOD complex / arrogance that they don't need to care about customer service.

Think you need to get yourself a decent Dr Paul. Mine is awesome. Very straight up, very patient and mega good. The one I have at home is fucking good too.

[Bald Eagle]

PHO's and having 'closed' registers doesn't leave any room for 'customer choice' unfirtunately.

[Maha]

Once in a while is fine, but every fucking time... a coconut.


Theres your problem....island time bro...:killingme

[Blackshear]

Last time I went to the doctors for something other than the medical certificate that did me no fucking help at all, I was 7 with chickenpox.
It probably wasn't the 2 week wait it felt like, but every single time I had to trail my mum into the docs I had to sit and wait forever. Quite a few times my mum had gone back home because 'fuck waiting for this'.

And the time I had to wait from 7pm till 4am for stitches in my foot... (Partially severed tendons, towels and towels worth of blood and permanent nerve damage).

I can see how the doc should devote every single working minute and more to patients, but if it's every fucking time then they should learn to fucking buffer that shit, seriously. The guy that sewed up my foot had finished his shift 4 hours ago, so that's one absolutely fantastic doctor out of 10-20 pissfart ones.

:girlfight:

[Virago]

Dentists piss me off in this regard - they'll bill you for missing an appointment and wasting their time, but quite happily make you sit in the waiting room for 30 minutes when you do turn up.

A work colleague sent a bill for waiting time to his dentist, after receiving a bill for an earlier missed appointment. After some "robust" discussions about the matter, they both agreed to waive the charges...:lol:

[James Deuce]

that is fucking bullshit most doctors get into medicine because they do care

Hahahahahahahaha. Funniest thing I've seen in months.

[rachprice]

But in that case shouldn't they leave enough contingency time in between appointments to cover those everyday occurrences?

More time means less patients in a day, people bitch enough as it is because you often can't get in for days. Especially in small centers that have a shortage of gp's


Hahahahahahahaha. Funniest thing I've seen in months.

dude if that's your attitude, I really pity you


I guess people are allowed to vent and have a bitch but if you think you could do better then go ahead and become a gp, I swear you lot think all they do is faff all day doing nothing, which couldn't be further from the truth.

If you sat in with one for a day you would probably change your mind

[rachprice]

Or if they reuse the glove :sick:


That's it, we're not customers despite paying $150/hr.

The guys in my team deal with interuptions and emergencies constantly but god help them if they're late for a customer meeting. But we factor these interuptions into our scheduling and resourcing so we can manage it most times - like just about every company outside health has to do these days.

And comparing medicine to business??

They aren't customers they are patients

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hahahahahahahaha. Funniest thing I've seen in months.

I'm sure you'll find it ain't for the money. I know people who work with computers that get paid more than doctors, do far less time, and don't have to deal with arseholes.

[rachprice]

I'm sure you'll find it ain't for the money. I know people who work with computers that get paid more than doctors, do far less time, and don't have to deal with arseholes.

Literal assholes as well as the other kind

[Crasherfromwayback]

Literal assholes as well as the other kind

And then you have the poor old Dr that had our mate Pas insist he check his prostate...at age 30. Every week.

[steve_t]

After finally finding a great GP, she had a breakdown from the job being so stressful. I have much respect for Drs with the 6 years of uni/training and huge student loans only to graduate and do 90 hour weeks in horrible hospitals. Unfortunately, there are some GP's that do give the rest a bad name by constantly running late and/or arbitrarily prescribing Augmentin.
Usarka, you could always try to find a GP that runs on time. Ask around, there's bound to be one somewhere.

[James Deuce]

More time means less patients in a day, people bitch enough as it is because you often can't get in for days. Especially in small centers that have a shortage of gp's



dude if that's your attitude, I really pity you


I guess people are allowed to vent and have a bitch but if you think you could do better then go ahead and become a gp, I swear you lot think all they do is faff all day doing nothing, which couldn't be further from the truth.

If you sat in with one for a day you would probably change your mind
Nope. It's getting funnier too.

[The Everlasting]

Yeah it sure sucks,you rush to make sure your not late for your appointment,and then you end up waiting half an hour,that will piss most people off.

Not just because your wasting time to wait,but also I don't want to wait in a room full of sick people any longer than necessary.

[James Deuce]

I'm sure you'll find it ain't for the money. I know people who work with computers that get paid more than doctors, do far less time, and don't have to deal with arseholes.

Stop it, I'll pop a hernia and have to go and visit one of the thieving bastards.

[James Deuce]

Yeah it sure sucks,you rush to make sure your not late for your appointment,and then you end up waiting half an hour,that will piss most people off.

Not just because your wasting time to wait,but also I don't want to wait in a room full of sick people any longer than necessary.

If I could get a GP that only had to wait half an hour for I'd be thrilled. I've had to ring ambulances for my kids from the waiting room. And don't tell me I should have gone straight to ED. You're not allowed to unless you've been to the GP.

They're a bunch of gouging money grabbers. Check out how GPs do their GMS claims some time (Rach, I'm talking to you). Wholesale taxpayer funded fraud.

[imdying]

And then you have the poor old Dr that had our mate Pas insist he check his prostate...at age 30. Every week.Bloody eck, did you tell him you'd do it for half the money and even provide a reach around? If he was that much of a closet homo you could've made a mint of him!

[far queue]

I very rarely have to wait for my dentist, he's nearly always ready and set to go. Longest I've had to wait is 10 mins 2 or 3 times over the last 10 years or so.

I normally have to wait for the doc, but then again he's always got plenty of time for me once I'm in, so I don't begrudge him giving the same attention to his other patients either. Also I've been in there in the past when things were rather urgent (accidents etc) and there's been no hesitation in immediately getting things sorted, so I'd say he has his priorities right.

One gripe I do have though is the shit magazines in the waiting room, all Womens Day etc, something for the blokes would be good or at least a couple of the day's newspapers to go around.

[James Deuce]

One gripe I do have though is the shit magazines in the waiting room, all Womens Day etc, something for the blokes would be good or at least a couple of the day's newspapers to go around.

I stopped dropping Bike Mags off to After Hours in the Hutt because it's peopled by bike riding GPs who take them home. I didn't drop them off for them. I dropped them off for bikers with bimalleolar fractures who've been turned away from ED.

[short-circuit]

I would have thought that changing doctors was a pretty obvious solution.

Nup doesn't work - they're all always fucking late. Every practice at all times of the day...even when you're the first bastard there.

[Brett]

Why are these fuckwits always late.

Don't give me the "oh but there's emergencies" bollox, every single frucken time I go I have to wait half an hour, last time I was the arrogant pricks first appointment after lunch. I bet he was jerking off while sniffing some old biddy's stool sample. Once in a while is fine, but every fucking time a coconut.

Every other company you pay $150/hr has worked out the art of resource scheduling and levelling. How many of us can keep customers waiting for 1/2 an hour and say "oh sorry I had an emergency" every time we see them.

Doctors can suck arse biscuit.

Because patients book a 15min appointment stating that they have a 'X' ailment and then show up at the doctors office and present their 'X' ailment plus another 5, making the GP run over the scheduled time. Not unusual for their shift to be over and then to have to sit there for a few hours unpaid while they finish the paperwork that they couldn't get to because people don't respect the fact that the doctor has other patients waiting.

[jaffaonajappa]

Bloody eck, did you tell him you'd do it for half the money and even provide a reach around? If he was that much of a closet homo you could've made a mint of him!


Was it alarming.....the Dr having both hands on ya shoulders during the prostate exam?

[Brett]

Sure there are emergencies and thats fine. But every single time they're late. I'd bet you $50,000 the next GP appointment I have I'll have to wait at least 15 minutes.

Professionals outside the health system deal with interuptions and emergencies all the time too but seem to manage it. How many people in the real world can keep customers waiting because they didn't have lunch?

My wife (a GP) usually doesn't get lunch breaks for the very reason that is pissing you off. Plus, she would be the most efficient and well organised person I know. Granted, their will be some GP's out there who don't give a rats arse, however I am betting that most health professionals struggle with the same issues regarding emergencies and patients.

[jaffaonajappa]

I'd bet you $50,000 the next GP appointment I have I'll have to wait at least 15 minutes.


Deal.

ok. ok how much training is needed to qualify as a GP? Was it like 6 years Uni and lots of on job learning in hospitals - plus incurring a large student loan?

And our Dr's have a habit of heading overseas where they get paid at least double what most of our are getting.....

How many Docs are loving the Locum work in Aussie lately? Doubling their salary for the occasional weekends work.

If we really looked into it...I suspect our Medical expenses are damn low compared to most modern, western countries.

[Brett]

And don't tell me I should have gone straight to ED. You're not allowed to unless you've been to the GP.

Bullshit. That is probably some ED doctor trying to pass the can. People have walked into Middlemore ED for coughs and sore throats. Stupid, but it is true. I personally as a kid was taken straight to Middlemore ED for severe dehydration and a temperature of over 40deg without going to a GP or after hours A&E first. If you believe it to be an emergency, go the the ED. The hospitals just encourage people to go to their primary health professional first because much of what ED doctors deal with should and could be handled with through primary health care and at a fraction of the cost to the tax payer.

[imdying]

Was it alarming.....the Dr having both hands on ya shoulders during the prostate exam?You mean that's not "Standard practice" :scratch:

[Big Dave]

My Dentist is good. Difference is he knows what has to be done and how long it takes when the appointments are made.

GP is unreliable.
Biscuits, train his receptionist to ring you if he's late - or ring them before you leave and arrive accordingly.

[jaffaonajappa]

You mean that's not "Standard practice" :scratch:

not unless you wear a nurses uniform

OOPS.:lol:

[Usarka]

Nup doesn't work - they're all always fucking late. Every practice at all times of the day...even when you're the first bastard there.

That's the key, even if you're first there always late. If there's always emergencies first thing then they should schedule the first appointment 1/2 hour later!


Biscuits, train his receptionist to ring you if he's late - or ring them before you leave and arrive accordingly.

Damn your optimistic sensibilism! :p

[Mom]

Stop it, I'll pop a hernia and have to go and visit one of the thieving bastards.

I am "lucky" enough to be a patient of a PHO. What this means is I dont have to pay a HUGE amount to go to the doctor, but I also cant get a fucking appointment if I am sick either.
Them: I am sorry we are fully booked when I ring at 8am for an appointment.
Me: but I am SICK, another day without pills will see me really sick.
Them: Oh is it an emergency?
Me: NO, I am just sick!
Them: What seems to be the problem?
Me: None of your business, I dont discuss my medical problems with a receptionist.
Them: You will need to talk to a nurse, but they are all busy at the moment, I will get one to ring you.

Nurse: What is the matter?
Me: I have blah, blah, blah, and it is getting worse every day.
Nurse: We can see you at 11:20am.

You attend the given appointment and complain to the doctor, that you have been seeing for the last 30 odd years about the process involved to get an appointment. The answer, come on a Thursday night, or Saturday morning if you can.

First time you need to see a doctor again, something non urgent, attempt to make appointment for Thursday night after work. Impossible as these times are only for emergencies. What seems to be the problem, once again none of your fucken business!

I get very pissed off, no wonder my blood pressure is always high when I get it checked :laugh:

Having said all that I would not have their jobs for any amount of money.

To say that they are not in it for the money, is not true, is all about the almighty dollar and how they can prize the maximum amount of coin from their patients :yes:

[James Deuce]

Bullshit. That is probably some ED doctor trying to pass the can. People have walked into Middlemore ED for coughs and sore throats. Stupid, but it is true. I personally as a kid was taken straight to Middlemore ED for severe dehydration and a temperature of over 40deg without going to a GP or after hours A&E first. If you believe it to be an emergency, go the the ED. The hospitals just encourage people to go to their primary health professional first because much of what ED doctors deal with should and could be handled with through primary health care and at a fraction of the cost to the tax payer.

No, it isn't. Hutt ED will turn people away to After Hours with kids who have a temp of 40 and severe asthma and After Hours simply don't have the gear to deal with that.

I have vastly more experience of the hospital and GP systems than most people do. The only way to keep people safe is to be an arsehole. 3 weeks ago I rang Hutt ED and said I was bringing my son in (a well documented and very severe asthmatic with open admission) as his resp rate was 120, he was tachycardic and had a temp of 39.4. This had come on between getting home from school and dinner time. They told us we had to present to our GP first, so I rang them and got told I could have an appointment in two days.

I rang the hospital, spoke to the kid's ward found out which paediatrician was on and then paged them to meet us in ED. My son was in ICU within 15 minutes of us getting there. It's not bullshit. I have had to deal with this procedural shit in the face of some horrendous episodes including respiratory arrests where it has been bloody difficult to get help including timely responses from any medical professional.

[Paul in NZ]

You know what - sometimes the world reflects back at you the images you project.

I go to the doctor a LOT. I totally rely on it to keep me alive (and thats just one of my little health issues) and I'm not kidding. On a good year I see my Dr maybe 6 times - double that on a bad one. I've spent more time in waiting rooms than most people (except Jim) and even the receptionists know me. We are very fortunate to have a fabulous group of doctors that genuinely care AND have repeatedly gone waay beyond the call of duty to help us. They have come in early and stayed late or squeezed us in during times of genuine need. They have searched out solutions to difficult situations and worried more about me than I have about myself.

At times they have gone out of their way to save ME money and refused to charge for some services.

In return I have taken time to follow instructions, been polite and respectful and educated myself proactively about things. I have always been listened to and taken seriously.

I cannot speak more highly of these people.

Yes - we have had issues at ED and with practise staff on occasion but these problems are driven by stupid policy decisions.

[Big Dave]

Damn your optimistic sensibilism! :p

I lot of the reason I ride motorcycles is so I don't have to queue up.
I'd rather cut to the front with a wet arse than be a dry Baaaaaaaarbarrraaaa in a line of cars.

Is it a 'trait' do you think?

Charm the young lady (doesn't matter how old or crusty a Matron she might be) at the counter with your leather clad masculinity. (Lessons from $50 per hour).

Otherwise you just ring them you schmuck. A repost is in order:

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[Big Dave]

Medical people are medical people, the good ones hire (or train as) managers as well.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I have vastly more experience of the hospital and GP systems than most people do. The only way to keep people safe is to be an arsehole. .

Being a racer of bikes for over 30 years, I too have vast experience of the health system. I've have never had to, and would never behave like an arsehole to the very people that are trying to help me. It's often the arseholes that get the worst service...because they deserve it.


You know what - sometimes the world reflects back at you the images you project.


At times they have gone out of their way to save ME money and refused to charge for some services.

In return I have taken time to follow instructions, been polite and respectful and educated myself proactively about things. I have always been listened to and taken seriously.

I cannot speak more highly of these people.

.

A true gentleman regardless of what's thrown at you.

[joan of arc]

My doctors waiting room has great magazines and I don't go often so even if old they are new reading for me, So don't mind some down time catching up with the celebs. But the problem with waiting rooms is that they are filled with sick people!! They cough, they snivel, they touch the magazines that I want to read.. Goddamit I run the risk of catching something every time I visit. And when the docs are running late the place fills with ailments and I have to sit next to one of these incipient viral donors.
Wouldn't it make sense to reduce sick people congregating in the same area??? Must be a means to automatically text prospective patients with a message like "the Dr is running late, your appt is now 1:30"

[Elysium]

Anyway, how's your blood presure?

[James Deuce]

Being a racer of bikes for over 30 years, I too have vast experience of the health system. I've have never had to, and would never behave like an arsehole to the very people that are trying to help me. It's often the arseholes that get the worst service...because they deserve it.


I'm not an arsehole until I have to be. If one of my kids is in trouble I will do anything in my power to sort the problem. I don't care who I tread on. I shouldn't have to explain that and I also documented my attempts to use the system correctly to no avail, but you obviously didn't bother to read that bit. In that bit you'll note that the paediatrician reacted correctly and was quite happy for me to contact her. She knows our history and knows how dire it gets. ED should not have turned a patient away who has open admission. They were wrong.

If I wanted to be a proper arsehole I would've followed up with the Health and Disability Commission. It's pointless though because you then have to deal with the people you've just dropped in the shit in the future.

[jazfender]

Why are these fuckwits always late.

Fuck I dunno, could be they're doing something that actually contributes to society in a major way?

If you're gonna shit on people that, in their day-to-day life, help more fuckwits and people that the rest of us don't give another thought about, you better be bringing something pretty big to the table.

Oh no, my doctor's late, there goes that precious time waiting for a lobotomy when I could be updating KB with a senseless thread.

:motu:

[Big Dave]

A true gentleman regardless of what's thrown at you.

Tell him new Triumphs are better than the old ones.

[Big Dave]

And anyway - lick your balls, no, but they will happily insert a.....never mind....

[Woodman]

If they are late every single time then why not just turn up later?

Its not rocket science.

[ynot slow]

Simple thing is if you know he's always late,a call to the surgery will let you know if the consult is on time.

I am pretty tolerant at hospitals,(different to the gp visit for sure)my surgery was supposed to take approx 3hours,ended up 7 or so,that was no fault of next patient,but docs can't just say hs time is up for now,next patient please.

[Scouse]

My doctor is fucking awsome paticularly one September day in 2008, I ambled in I could hardly breath and could only speak one word at a time as I had to gasp for a short breath of air in between each word, he had me XRayed immediatly at his surgery, then it was straight onto an I.V of some antibiotic, he had me come in the next day, by wich time I had made a considerable recovery for the same antibiotic treatment. It realy is suprising how quickly Pnemonia creeps up on you frighting realy but I belive that Doctor John Allen saved my life on that day.

[Scouse]

I am "lucky" enough to be a patient of a PHO.
PHO is that like poor house option?

[Scouse]

No, it isn't. Hutt ED will turn people away to After Hours with kids who have a temp of 40 and severe asthma and After Hours simply don't have the gear to deal with that.

I have vastly more experience of the hospital and GP systems than most people do. The only way to keep people safe is to be an arsehole. 3 weeks ago I rang Hutt ED and said I was bringing my son in (a well documented and very severe asthmatic with open admission) as his resp rate was 120, he was tachycardic and had a temp of 39.4. This had come on between getting home from school and dinner time. They told us we had to present to our GP first, so I rang them and got told I could have an appointment in two days.

I rang the hospital, spoke to the kid's ward found out which paediatrician was on and then paged them to meet us in ED. My son was in ICU within 15 minutes of us getting there. It's not bullshit. I have had to deal with this procedural shit in the face of some horrendous episodes including respiratory arrests where it has been bloody difficult to get help including timely responses from any medical professional.I can see your mistake you rang them up giving them the opertunity to say "No Sorry" man just turn up

[BMWST?]

But in that case shouldn't they leave enough contingency time in between appointments to cover those everyday occurrences?

you cant schedule one of your regulars patients strokes,astmaha attack or accident.They would have so much slack in the schedule they couldnt operate efficiently at all.To make the place even half efficient somone always has to be there,ready to walk in the door.
When i had an operation to fix my achilles tendon there were basically two of us waiting for most of the weekend,ie all day sat and most of sunday morning,till a free spell became avaialble in theatre.Even then we could have been pushed out at the last minute for a serious emergency.So the best only way to fill a hole in the schedule is to have someone waiting all the time.

[Brett]

No, it isn't. Hutt ED will turn people away to After Hours with kids who have a temp of 40 and severe asthma and After Hours simply don't have the gear to deal with that.

I have vastly more experience of the hospital and GP systems than most people do. The only way to keep people safe is to be an arsehole. 3 weeks ago I rang Hutt ED and said I was bringing my son in (a well documented and very severe asthmatic with open admission) as his resp rate was 120, he was tachycardic and had a temp of 39.4. This had come on between getting home from school and dinner time. They told us we had to present to our GP first, so I rang them and got told I could have an appointment in two days.

I rang the hospital, spoke to the kid's ward found out which paediatrician was on and then paged them to meet us in ED. My son was in ICU within 15 minutes of us getting there. It's not bullshit. I have had to deal with this procedural shit in the face of some horrendous episodes including respiratory arrests where it has been bloody difficult to get help including timely responses from any medical professional.

Ok, I hear you. That is absolutely astounding. I don't really know what to respond to this, of all of the doctors I know, every single one would be appalled at your experience. Asthma is one thing that I know is taken incredibly seriously by many GP's and many ED's as well, ESPECIALLY when it is in children as kids have a tendancy to crash much quicker than adults do. However, I do know that there is a lot of bullshit politics and procedural red tape between GP's and hospitals and within hospital departments themselves.
Amongst both society and the medical profession it is not uncommon to hear comments about how GP's are doctors who were not bright enough to become anything else, that they are the "cruizy" doctors who went into it for lifestyle and the such.
This may be true in some cases, but of the GP's I know, a few graduated top out of med school both academically as well as clinically, had offers to do ANY specialty they wanted and yet chose GP because good primary health care is the ambulance before the cliff. It is where initial diagnosis happens and chronic diseases can be effectively managed and those patients kept out of hospital which in turn reduces the stress on them.

Those saying doctors are in it for the money...personally I wish this was true...I have tried bending my wifes arm to head to Aussie a few times, to no avail. We would be better off to the tune of $350-400k per year between us. She is not interested in the money. She does her job because she gets to help people. All of doctors I know are the same.

However, there will be a tipping point. Even the most ardent professional gets tired of getting so much shit, so little support and no thanks. Don't forget, they don't make policies. They just work within them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm not an arsehole until I have to be.



1: Nobody HAS to be an arsehole Jim. It's a choice.

2: You've become for whatever reason, an extremely cynical and paranoid, bitter and twisted unit. In my eyes, it's sad to see.

[rachprice]

No, it isn't. Hutt ED will turn people away to After Hours with kids who have a temp of 40 and severe asthma and After Hours simply don't have the gear to deal with that.

I have vastly more experience of the hospital and GP systems than most people do. The only way to keep people safe is to be an arsehole. 3 weeks ago I rang Hutt ED and said I was bringing my son in (a well documented and very severe asthmatic with open admission) as his resp rate was 120, he was tachycardic and had a temp of 39.4. This had come on between getting home from school and dinner time. They told us we had to present to our GP first, so I rang them and got told I could have an appointment in two days.

I rang the hospital, spoke to the kid's ward found out which paediatrician was on and then paged them to meet us in ED. My son was in ICU within 15 minutes of us getting there. It's not bullshit. I have had to deal with this procedural shit in the face of some horrendous episodes including respiratory arrests where it has been bloody difficult to get help including timely responses from any medical professional.


I'm not an arsehole until I have to be. If one of my kids is in trouble I will do anything in my power to sort the problem. I don't care who I tread on. I shouldn't have to explain that and I also documented my attempts to use the system correctly to no avail, but you obviously didn't bother to read that bit. In that bit you'll note that the paediatrician reacted correctly and was quite happy for me to contact her. She knows our history and knows how dire it gets. ED should not have turned a patient away who has open admission. They were wrong.

If I wanted to be a proper arsehole I would've followed up with the Health and Disability Commission. It's pointless though because you then have to deal with the people you've just dropped in the shit in the future.

Dude first of all why the fuck did you call the emergency department when you could have showed up?
The people that you talked to probably thought was not as serious as you were saying, as if it was, you might have just driven straight in.

Im not saying it wasn't as serious as you were saying, but there are many people that over exaggerate things.

They may have fucked up, was it an ED doctor you spoke to on the phone????

And I agree with brett, asthma is taken VERY seriously no matter what age....it kills people. EVERY doctor I have been in contact with treats it extremely seriously

You may have had a bad experience but you can not tar the entire medical profession with that


And with regards to looking up GP's pay etc. this was never about money, it was about whats GP's actually do and how much they care...I dont know enough about that but I know how hard they dam well work, I have spent weeks with them and all I can say is that ,most of you obviously have no idea...I dont want to be cocky or 'god complex'-y but medicine is hard, mentally, physically and emotionally and you dudes dont seem to appreciate what all these people do, at all!!!

[Usarka]

I am pretty tolerant at hospitals,(different to the gp visit for sure)my surgery was supposed to take approx 3hours,ended up 7 or so,that was no fault of next patient,but docs can't just say hs time is up for now,next patient please.

I had that last year (or the year before) what was really difficult was waiting until 3pm having not eaten since 7pm the night before. They thought I was mad after waking up from serious abdominal repatching to plead for some food. I paid for it a couple of hours later.

Actually doctors can say "times up" - well GP's and specialists can anyway. I used to know of a GP that did this. She stated that if you wanted to sit and discuss multiple things, or your cat's runny nose or your grandsons gold star then you had to book a double appointment. Expectations were set at the start and it worked really well, and only occassionally were there actual emergencies that mucked up peoples appointments. So it is possible, I've seen it in action, but GP's choose not to do this because they think it's not fair. But I'd argue it's more fair.


I've had the misfortune to work in public health and spent a fair chunk of time as a patient in a hospital recently after an accident. Yes they do a hard job etc, but to be honest they are bloody inefficient. A little organisation and process would go a long way.

[Paul in NZ]

Tell him new Triumphs are better than the old ones.

Meh - you are a freaking wind up merchant Dave... How about a deal... New triumphs run better old triumphs LOOK better...

[scissorhands]

I went in yesterday with a badly wax impacted ear along with bone growths (exostosis)

The tinnitus was so bad I was morbid and staring ahead into space from the constant roaring noises. Conversation was very limited and stressful.

I was in real need

Not only did he irrigate (mistake)he made no mention of softening with oil, nor prescribed waxol nor made an appointment with ENT at Greenlane Hospital

I was told to make an appointment private.

He stated rushing and getting in a flap because it was taking longer than 15minutes. He is usually neurotic in my presence and makes many rushing errors and conversation is marred by his 'I'm in a flap dont make me worse melodrama.'

Sheesh.

Then I intern net read about hydrogen peroxide and determined it best to endeavour to fix myself in the future.

Cheaper and better by far. More empowering and less frustrating than having to bow to their wank authourity

If you can change your own locks, glass, motor oil etc.......you can use the net and avoid them 80% of the time.....very easily

Save money and save your nerves:tugger:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Save money and save your nerves:tugger:

How does pulling yourself save your nerves?

[oneofsix]

I went in yesterday with a badly wax impacted ear along with bone growths (exostosis)

The tinnitus was so bad I was morbid and staring ahead into space from the constant roaring noises. Conversation was very limited and stressful.

I was in real need

Not only did he irrigate (mistake)he made no mention of softening with oil, nor prescribed waxol nor made an appointment with ENT at Greenlane Hospital

I was told to make an appointment private.

He stated rushing and getting in a flap because it was taking longer than 15minutes. He is usually neurotic in my presence and makes many rushing errors and conversation is marred by his 'I'm in a flap dont make me worse melodrama.'

Sheesh.

Then I intern net read about hydrogen peroxide and determined it best to endeavour to fix myself in the future.

Cheaper and better by far. More empowering and less frustrating than having to bow to their wank authourity

If you can change your own locks, glass, motor oil etc.......you can use the net and avoid them 80% of the time.....very easily

Save money and save your nerves:tugger:

Easy there scalpelhands. The net can put you way wrong. Surprised he did it himself, it is often a task they hand off to nursey. Also the softening the wax can take days so perhaps he though t it more urgent, you make it sound like you thought it was more urgent and you were unable to wait for the softening agents to work.

[scissorhands]

How does pulling yourself save your nerves?

Mrs Palmer and her five daughters will never hurt me, or want my money

Palm me off will you?

[scissorhands]

Easy there scalpelhands. The net can put you way wrong. Surprised he did it himself, it is often a task they hand off to nursey. Also the softening the wax can take days so perhaps he though t it more urgent, you make it sound like you thought it was more urgent and you were unable to wait for the softening agents to work.

Nursey did the syringing flushing which just forced the wax further down behind the existosis and made the tinnitus worse.

He should have mentioned softening to me.... stop covering up for their fuckups.... fuckheads

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mrs Palmer and her five daughters will never hurt me, or want my money

Palm me off will you?

Do it often enough and you'll give yourself a nasty blister. That could cost you money.

Thanks for the offer, but no thanks.

[scissorhands]

Do it often enough and you'll give yourself a nasty blister. That could cost you money.

Thanks for the offer, but no thanks.

Too busy sucking off your GP?

The internet is usually easier, cheaper AND often better

Bottom line dude. All else is wank value only

[Crasherfromwayback]

Too busy sucking off your GP?

The internet is usually easier, cheaper AND often better

Bottom line dude. All else is wank value only

My GP is a woman, so no. But you strike me as more of a cocksucker than I'll ever be. A bitter twisted poor me type cocksucker at that. Might want to change your name to sausagehands.

[scissorhands]

I expected as much, you have warmed up and put down others on this thread too.

Just making sense, something your rhetoric does not do

Save your name calling crap for yourself

PEPS ARE BETTER OFF EMPOWERING THEMSELVES WITH MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE

Bottom line

Unless your really a 'cant adjust your own chain' type of guy ie 'moron'

[rachprice]

Too busy sucking off your GP?

The internet is usually easier, cheaper AND often better

Bottom line dude. All else is wank value only

I don't know why I bite

But dude are you serious? The Internet? You honestly think that is a substitute

I don't think doctors should be put on a pedestal, they are human and make mistakes, but you cant substitute years of study and years of experience for the internet

[rachprice]

PEPS ARE BETTER OFF EMPOWERING THEMSELVES WITH MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE



Now that is true!!
Empowering yourself with knowledge, yes
Trying to diagnose yourself or treat yourself can be dangerous territory

[Crasherfromwayback]

I expected as much, you have warmed up and put down others on this thread too.



Well if you want to say such things like I'm too busy sucking off my GP, I'd have thought you'd be fully prepared to get a bit back. Guess you're just another that only likes to sling it.

[scissorhands]

I don't know why I bite

But dude are you serious? The Internet? You honestly think that is a substitute

I don't think doctors should be put on a pedestal, they are human and make mistakes, but you cant substitute years of study and years of experience for the internet

Most times our problems are rudimentary. GP's address symptoms not causes. They dont address the root of the problem......

I feel a brick wall is near my head now....google.....ah yes....collective consciousness unable to think rationally but spout populist group speak rhetoric.....

Do you take your car in for an oil change? really? Okay then, good luck to you

Bottom line is evident to me.

Traditional Chinese doctors only received payment when your family was well, not sick.

Is it all starting to make sense now??

[scissorhands]

Guess you're just another that only likes to sling it.

You started it inferring I was a wanker. Wake up if you expect me to take your shit lying down

I suffered and got no joy from my GP, then I found out how easy it is to cure myself with a $3.90cent bottle of hydrogen peroxide

Simple, straight forward, no bullshit

Go the intern net

[short-circuit]

ooh unexpectedly spicy thread

[rachprice]

Most times our problems are rudimentary. GP's address symptoms not causes. They dont address the root of the problem......

I feel a brick wall is near my head now....google.....ah yes....collective consciousness unable to think rationally but spout populist group speak rhetoric.....

Do you take your car in for an oil change? really? Okay then, good luck to you

Bottom line is evident to me.

Traditional Chinese doctors only received payment when your family was well, not sick.

Is it all starting to make sense now??

I think the peroxide fumes have gone to your head
In your attempt to sound intelligent, you just come across disjointed and barely make sense

I'm glad you have managed to find relief, like I say gp's aren't perfect - maybe try another if yours is so bad, might have been the rational thing to do?

Most of medicine does not find a "cure" as such but does it's best to improve quality of life

Internet will never be a substitute no matter how intelligent you think you are




You started it



What are you?? 12?

[scissorhands]

Yeah 12 years old

shoot the messenger eh?

[Swoop]

go ahead and become a gp, I swear you lot think all they do is faff all day doing nothing...
True. A round of golf isn't going to play itself!

[Brett]

Traditional Chinese doctors only received payment when your family was well, not sick.

Is it all starting to make sense now??

They also believe that eating tiger penises & testicles can make a man have greater erections because of the power of the tiger. Really want to go here?

[Brett]

To be perfectly blunt, remove yourself from your GP's role, go and google whatever nonsense that comes your way and treat yourselves if you are that fucking awesome and your GP's are that shit. Heaven knows, most GP practices have waiting lists for patients anyway and someone else can have your spot. Your moaning, bitching arses wont be missed. While you're at it, become doctors too, many of you think you can do a better job.
If you don't find that your GP is providing you with a service you like, move on. No one is forcing you to go to them. However, the same as in business, if you find that you clash with every client/supplier, then maybe they aren't the problem.

[short-circuit]

If you don't find that your GP is providing you with a service you like, move on. No one is forcing you to go to them. However, the same as in business, if you find that you clash with every client/supplier, then maybe they aren't the problem.

Won't help...refer to my earlier post:


Nup doesn't work - they're all always fucking late. Every practice at all times of the day...even when you're the first bastard there.

[White trash]

this thread is awesome

[Brett]

this thread is awesome

It has some heat like the old KB days. Nice.

[awayatc]

I suffered and got no joy from my GP, then I found out how easy it is to cure myself with a $3.90cent bottle of hydrogen peroxide



You became a bottle blond!

Congratulations.......

[scissorhands]

To be perfectly blunt, remove yourself from your GP's role, go and google whatever nonsense that comes your way and treat yourselves if you are that fucking awesome and your GP's are that shit. Heaven knows, most GP practices have waiting lists for patients anyway and someone else can have your spot. Your moaning, bitching arses wont be missed. While you're at it, become doctors too, many of you think you can do a better job.
If you don't find that your GP is providing you with a service you like, move on. No one is forcing you to go to them. However, the same as in business, if you find that you clash with every client/supplier, then maybe they aren't the problem.

I only clash with fucktards. About 1/20 on trademe, appears like a similar ratio here..............

Your right, we should never adjust our own chains. This should only be performed by those properly trained.

Leave it to the experts:tugger:

[oldrider]

that is fucking bullshit most doctors get into medicine because they do care

True but then they fall under the spell of the main sponsor for their training program, the drug companies! (he who pays the piper calls the tune!)

First thing any GP does after pretending to listen to you, is reach for their drug list book and then prescribes you a drug from it! NEXT!

Pay your $50:00 at the desk on the way out!

Inspiring shit for those who don't demand something better for their money but then, I don't have a community card, so I think about value for money that I spend!

[Usarka]

First thing any GP does after pretending to listen to you, is reach for their drug list book and then prescribes you a drug from it! NEXT!


Funny how GP's never talk about diet eh!

[Crasherfromwayback]

True but then they fall under the spell of the main sponsor for their training program, the drug companies! (he who pays the piper calls the tune!)

First thing any GP does after pretending to listen to you, is reach for their drug list book and then prescribes you a drug from it! NEXT!

Pay your $50:00 at the desk on the way out!

Inspiring shit for those who don't demand something better for their money but then, I don't have a community card, so I think about value for money that I spend!


Funny how GP's never talk about diet eh!

Seriously...you guys both need to get a different Dr. Mine does none of the shit you talk about other than run late, and I can cope with that. I simply ring the receptionist around an hour before my appointment to see how late she's running. Hardly rocket science.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You started it inferring I was a wanker. Wake up if you expect me to take your shit lying down



Actually...you couldn't be more wrong. It was my (obviously bad) attempt at humor that set you off. I wasn't calling you a wanker at all. After reading more of your drivel...I am now though. Nothing funnier than someone that thinks they're way smarter than they actually are. You should stick to adjusting chains.

[jaffaonajappa]

Ahhh funny. I wonder what drew the conspiracy theory Nutters to this thread? Was it the "my balls" portion of the title? But theyre here, alive and well.

Wonder where this thread will head?

Wheres the popcorn?

Anyone that trusts the internet with thier health, wellbeing, and life...is a fucktard.
Using the internet to gain knowledge = clever.
Using the internet to substitute an expert / professional (GP) in their field = Bwahahahaa.

[imdying]

Seriously...you guys both need to get a different Dr. Mine does none of the shit you talk about other than run late, and I can cope with that. I simply ring the receptionist around an hour before my appointment to see how late she's running. Hardly rocket science.Fuck off with your proactive help yourself bullshit... this isn't the time or place... this is the time to moan moan woe is meeeeeeeeeee

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck off with your proactive help yourself bullshit... this isn't the time or place... this is the time to moan moan woe is meeeeeeeeeee

Sorry 'bout that Old Bean.

[Brett]

I only clash with fucktards. About 1/20 on trademe, appears like a similar ratio here..............

Your right, we should never adjust our own chains. This should only be performed by those properly trained.

Leave it to the experts:tugger:

Infer what you like. You enjoy the smiley that tugs itself, don't you? Do you enjoy giving yourself regular prostate checks too?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Infer what you like. You enjoy the smiley that tugs itself, don't you? Do you enjoy giving yourself regular prostate checks too?

Well even when wanking himself he's still got one free pair of scissors.

[jazfender]

With kneejerk out of the way - I don't understand how anyone in good faith could hate on doctors.

I would hazard that most of the delays are a result of fuckwit patients anyway.

Besides, HI - since when did trivial matters like having to wait a bit longer become more important than the work that they do?

Yeah he saved that dude BUT NOT ON TIME. ASSHOLE.

[Usarka]

Who's the hater? :lol:

[Crasherfromwayback]

With kneejerk out of the way - I don't understand how anyone in good faith could hate on doctors.

I would hazard that most of the delays are a result of fuckwit patients anyway.

Besides, HI - since when did trivial matters like having to wait a bit longer become more important than the work that they do?

Yeah he saved that dude BUT NOT ON TIME. ASSHOLE.

Best post here by miles.

[fuknKIWI]

Why are these fuckwits always late.

Don't give me the "oh but there's emergencies" bollox, every single frucken time I go I have to wait half an hour, last time I was the arrogant pricks first appointment after lunch. I bet he was jerking off while sniffing some old biddy's stool sample. Once in a while is fine, but every fucking time a coconut.

Every other company you pay $150/hr has worked out the art of resource scheduling and levelling. How many of us can keep customers waiting for 1/2 an hour and say "oh sorry I had an emergency" every time we see them.

Doctors can suck arse biscuit.
oh well you had to ask, looks might have been able to explain...
it's your choice go to the Dr or treat yourself...
now to see what other replies you got/deserved...
I'm the black sheep from a medical family...walk a mile in their shoes before you get back on your soapbox whinger:tugger::tugger::tugger:

[fuknKIWI]

It has some heat like the old KB days. Nice.

Yep opinionated ignorance too...well I've read the whole fucking thread...you're welcome to your ignorance & prejudice...actually I've known GP's be on time more than once...but not in a third world medical practise...the sign at my my GP's says We are patient wise Doctors not time wise Doctors Thank you for your patience...some Surgeries have signs about zero tolerance of staff abuse & fair enough too...of course not everybody is full of it some actually understand 7 are grateful for the care they get.

[Brett]

Yep opinionated ignorance too...well I've read the whole fucking thread...you're welcome to your ignorance & prejudice...actually I've known GP's be on time more than once...but not in a third world medical practise...the sign at my my GP's says We are patient wise Doctors not time wise Doctors Thank you for your patience...some Surgeries have signs about zero tolerance of staff abuse & fair enough too...of course not everybody is full of it some actually understand 7 are grateful for the care they get.

My ignorance and prejudice...have you read a thing I have posted fella (you claim to have read the whole thread??)? Never mind the fact we are on the same page....

[scissorhands]

My ears are nearly back to normal, no thanks to my GP or his nurse's flushing that forced the wax deeper. Or the $100 specialist recommendation.

Thank goodness I empowered myself and found out about a $4 bottle of hydrogen peroxide

My poor old mother had ear problems. She was blocked for up to weeks at a time, not being able to talk on the phone and delays getting an appointment at the specialist.

I wish I had found out about HPeroxide sooner. Mum could have avoided the suffering that came twice a year for 20 odd years.............

You think her doctor may have advised her how to treat herself? No never

Bottom line is money before peps.

[Teflon]

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[rainman]

My doc is seldom late but does charge extra if the consult takes longer than about 5 minutes. She's also a bit over-keen just to sling drugs than understand causes and suggest behavioural or diet changes. And the drugs tend to be of the "take this for the rest of your life" variety, which does not sit well with me. When I'm old I'll reconsider that view, no doubt.

All of which is why I have grown up a bit and figure these things out for myself now. I will go to the doc when I'm REALLY SICK, or when I actually want the prescription drugs (which I will ration to make sure they last). I have no use for sick certificates. The rest of the time I'll look after myself and my family.

That said a friend recently had a close call with cancer, and that has reminded me there may be a case for a blood test/prostate exam in my near term future. But a visit to the doc because I have a sniffle or sore throat - pffft.

Once in a while is OK, but if you're waiting all the time give them some polite feedback on the matter. If it doesn't work, let market forces sort it our and shop elsewhere. A talented specialist is worth retaining and waiting for, GPs are common as muck. In fact I'd suggest 90% of the value I get from my local practice is the nurses.

[lb99]

ha, I was working next door to my gps house the other day, he drove 25km from his office to spend a couple hours mowing the lawns in the sun......nice for some.

But he a great doctor, trys to find the cause of the problems, not just dish out drugs.

and he makes fat with self inflicted illnesss people wait while he sees the sick kids first.
he a proper doctor who cares.

[Smifffy]

I had a persistent cough that was so persistent I just ignored it. Of course all the sheilas at work, and then my wife started nagging me to go to see the dr about it. Started nagging every time I coughed, told me it could be some chronic disease and shit manifesting itself, blah blah, wah, wah. Went on for weeks/months.

So I eventually get an appointment. Go see the Dr. Sit in his office and get stared at by all the people there in their pajamas as the receptionist asks me at least 5 times if I have a community services card, and thinks I must be richer than the DR when I say 'no'.

A quick flick through the latest woman's weekly on the coffee table, looking at the pictures of the royal wedding. Nice dress, Di looked good in it.

Get in to see the Dr, explain to him about my cough, hack up a bit on him. he "aaahs, hmmmummms and ohs" He tut tuts a bit, tells me it doesn't appear to be anything majorly wrong with my lungs, says it's probably viral then he tells me that in his opinion anti-biotics won't do any good (which i understand if it's a virus), but he'll give me a prescription for some, and recommends I don't get it filled. He also gives me a prescription for something for my cough.

I go out, pay the full whack to the receptionist after going through the 5 act charade of explaining that I don't have a comm services card to her. I pay the prescription fee and head out of the cesspit and down to the chemist.

I decide not to get the anti-biotics at the moment, and just get the other prescription filled. I hand it over, they look at me, read it and tell me it will be about 10 mins.

I mooch about a bit bouncing between the shelves with the sports braces, the hair dyes and the feminine hygiene products. Wander down the street and look in a couple of shop windows then back for the prescription. Finally it is filled, they charge me $12.40 and hand me a brown paper bag.

When I get back to the car, I decide that it's as good a time as any to start my treatment. I open the brown bag to see
A FUCKING PACKET OF STREPSILS with a pharmacy dose sticker on it.

2 days later I get a packet of strepsils from the supermarket for about $5.80

Cunt could have just told me to HTFU, ignore the women, and go get myself a couple of packets of strepsils, and he might have had some respect from me. Maybe it was just that they like to rort the taxpayer funding, and didn't realise I was paying all of this out of my own pocket?

Bah.

[Smifffy]

Once in a while is OK, but if you're waiting all the time give them some polite feedback on the matter. If it doesn't work, let market forces sort it our and shop elsewhere. A talented specialist is worth retaining and waiting for, GPs are common as muck. In fact I'd suggest 90% of the value I get from my local practice is the nurses.

Try finding another GP around here, all their books are filled with state sponsored breeders with kids sick from living in cold overcrowded homes, since the heating money has all been smoked & drunk by the end of the week.

Mum has a new puffer jacket and metal mulisha beanie with Ugg boots and the kids are in a cotton sweatshirt with a duvet wrapped around them if they are sick.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Guess if you'd read the prescription you would've seen it was for Strepsils and not bothered filling it.

[Big Dave]

I can't believe that a Global Positioning system could cause all this angst!

[Smifffy]

Guess if you'd read the prescription you would've seen it was for Strepsils and not bothered filling it.

It was for whatever the active ingredient is. You are correct in that had I known/understood that I was being played for a sucker I would not have filled the prescription.

[jaffaonajappa]

I can't believe that a Global Positioning system could cause all this angst!

Amazing what a rough tongue can do....

[Crasherfromwayback]

It was for whatever the active ingredient is. You are correct in that had I known/understood that I was being played for a sucker I would not have filled the prescription.

Yeah that's pretty rough alright dude.

[imdying]

Bottom line is money before peps.You get the treatment you deserve.

[fuknKIWI]

My ignorance and prejudice...have you read a thing I have posted fella (you claim to have read the whole thread??)? Never mind the fact we are on the same page....
Brett, I'm not referring to YOUR ignorance & prejudice, I'm referring to that expressed in this thread. Clearly you're not ignorant & your prejudice, if you have any, is pro doctor. It's stating the bloody obvious (again) but some GP's are clearly better than others, some not so good one's have a better bed side manner & vice versa. Also a specialist/surgeon will happily take his kids to the GP when he feels the need. Our family GP (a Seth Efrican) is a highly qualified FRACGP & one of the best Dr's I have had.
Big UP to all the good medics out there:banana:

[Riff Raff]

Goodness me, wish I'd seen this thread earlier. Where do I start?

Unfortunately nothing is predictable in medicine, and emergencies don't stick to a schedule. And there are good GPs and bad GPs. In general (yes I know there are exceptions to the rule), the ones who consistently run late tend to be pretty thorough. I had a fantastic GP in Auckland who was always running late, but by crikey she was thorough and she made sure all her patients understood what was happening to them, why it was happening and why they needed the treatment she was prescribing. I'm still trying to find a GP like her in Wellington.

But here's a point to consider when looking for a GP who runs on time. If your GP services a lower socio economic area or has a lot of elderly patients then they are going to be running late 99% of the time. These GPs will have high workloads and will deal with a lot of emergencies. Elderly patients have a nasty habit of not wanting to bother anyone - like little nana who's had chest pain since 3am and should have called an ambulance then, but waits until the surgery opens to get an appointment. So now not only does the doctor have to spend time tending to the patient, but they also have to spend extra time ringing the hospital to arrange admission and writing the referral letter. Those living in lower socio economic areas tend to wait until they're really sick before going to the doctor, either due to ignorance or lack of funds.

I can't remember who it was now who had been turned away from hospital with asthmatic child, but why on Earth did you not call an ambulance if your child gets that sick and you believe they need to be in hospital? At least ambulance staff can begin treatment en route and are trained to deal with life threatening situations.

I have a number of problems that I need to see my GP about so I will be booking a double appointment. Not many others think to do that.

[Brett]

Brett, I'm not referring to YOUR ignorance & prejudice, I'm referring to that expressed in this thread. Clearly you're not ignorant & your prejudice, if you have any, is pro doctor. It's stating the bloody obvious (again) but some GP's are clearly better than others, some not so good one's have a better bed side manner & vice versa. Also a specialist/surgeon will happily take his kids to the GP when he feels the need. Our family GP (a Seth Efrican) is a highly qualified FRACGP & one of the best Dr's I have had.
Big UP to all the good medics out there:banana:

All good!

B

[scissorhands]

I had a persistent cough that was so persistent I just ignored it. Of course all the sheilas at work, and then my wife started nagging me to go to see the dr about it. Started nagging every time I coughed, told me it could be some chronic disease and shit manifesting itself, blah blah, wah, wah. Went on for weeks/months.

So I eventually get an appointment. Go see the Dr. Sit in his office and get stared at by all the people there in their pajamas as the receptionist asks me at least 5 times if I have a community services card, and thinks I must be richer than the DR when I say 'no'.

A quick flick through the latest woman's weekly on the coffee table, looking at the pictures of the royal wedding. Nice dress, Di looked good in it.

Get in to see the Dr, explain to him about my cough, hack up a bit on him. he "aaahs, hmmmummms and ohs" He tut tuts a bit, tells me it doesn't appear to be anything majorly wrong with my lungs, says it's probably viral then he tells me that in his opinion anti-biotics won't do any good (which i understand if it's a virus), but he'll give me a prescription for some, and recommends I don't get it filled. He also gives me a prescription for something for my cough.

I go out, pay the full whack to the receptionist after going through the 5 act charade of explaining that I don't have a comm services card to her. I pay the prescription fee and head out of the cesspit and down to the chemist.

I decide not to get the anti-biotics at the moment, and just get the other prescription filled. I hand it over, they look at me, read it and tell me it will be about 10 mins.

I mooch about a bit bouncing between the shelves with the sports braces, the hair dyes and the feminine hygiene products. Wander down the street and look in a couple of shop windows then back for the prescription. Finally it is filled, they charge me $12.40 and hand me a brown paper bag.

When I get back to the car, I decide that it's as good a time as any to start my treatment. I open the brown bag to see
A FUCKING PACKET OF STREPSILS with a pharmacy dose sticker on it.

2 days later I get a packet of strepsils from the supermarket for about $5.80

Cunt could have just told me to HTFU, ignore the women, and go get myself a couple of packets of strepsils, and he might have had some respect from me. Maybe it was just that they like to rort the taxpayer funding, and didn't realise I was paying all of this out of my own pocket?

Bah.

pure gold, so realistic, +10

BTW I'm sure some of the good medics here will offer a bit of advice...???

Maybe more of a shit show with a retard like me (who deserves to clash:tugger: and deserves bad treatment:tugger:) connected to the intern net

If you try the intern net you will find lots of ways to improve on the cough, like menthol and eucalyptus on your chest, around you nostrils at night

Give me $50 and you can read some old womens magazines too, seems some of the writers are moonlighting on KB

[Brett]

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[imdying]

As it doesn't cost me anything to go to the GP, I thought I'd put him to the test and booked myself in for this morning. I was able to get an inconvenient (to me) appointment for the same day when I rang on Monday (at 2pm), but I didn't really need to visit so did it before work today.

Arrived 1 minute late (8:31, was caught out by lovely 8am earthquake traffic as haven't travelled that route since then). They seated me in the waiting room, and I had just enough time to read the article in NZ Top Gear on the V8 Ariel Atom, plus half of the article on some white car called (I think) an SSC which is/was faster than the Veyron.

Doctor grabs me at 8:39 (i.e. 8 minutes waiting) and takes me through.

Now I remembered what was said about bastard patients with multiple enquiries, so I made sure I was that bastard. He checked my various ailments (ok admittedly they were all bullshit and exaggerated for the purposes of the test, but hey!), and also checked my weight and blood pressure because "he doesn't see me often".

They charged me $38 (which I zip zapped and will get reimbursed in my next pay) and sent me on my way by 8:55, at work just after 9.

- I was able to get a same day appointment (if I'd wanted it) within 3 1/2 hours
- I was made to wait 8 minutes
- I was seen for 16 minutes
- They charged $142 per hour

All in all a quick process that didn't cost much and was quite pleasant. If you're not happy with your GP, change.

[White trash]

- I was seen for 16 minutes
- They charged $142 per hour


Also, some bike shops charge close to that as an hourly rate. No shit.

I bet your average bike mechanic incurred nowhere near the debt or had to study anywhere near as hard as your average Dr.

[pritch]

If you're not happy with your GP, change.

Edzackery!

My rugby days are long gone and until recently I had little cause to bother the health services. Mainly only visiting the GP for annual checks for my driving licences.

The current GP does not normally keep me waiting more than a few minutes, in addition to the usual women's mags there are National Geographics as well as issues of a boating magazine and Top Gear.

More recently I've had two lots of surgery and an eight week course of treatment at another hospital. Almost without exception the various staff have been brilliant.

The one real exception would be the booking office at my local hospital who can be pretty much relied on to drop the ball. Their systems really do need looking at. That's OK though, a staff member of another Dept warned me not to trust them. So I don't.

Having said that, standards vary do from location to location, I do hope that any of you who need urgent treatment for you or yours get it when you need it

[Usarka]

All in all a quick process that didn't cost much and was quite pleasant. If you're not happy with your GP, change.

Anyone know a good GP in mianus :blink:

[jaffaonajappa]

Anyone know a good GP in mianus :blink:

You could try Dr Thumb. Hes usually found in a bathroom near you?

[scissorhands]

I'm at a loss with these medical idiots, rooooaar. Best to lick your own

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[Zedder]

Looks like the whambulance is late today too :hug: I sure as hell wouldn't want to do their job, fuck that, too much stress. I'll stick to being a man slut.

As long as you're on time though.

[scissorhands]

pubmed article from British medical Journal http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1498361/pdf/bmjcred00606-003


Compensation for medical misadventure and drug injury
in the New Zealand no-fault system: feeling the way

RICHARD SMITH


Legislators all round the globe are having problems in finding
just and efficient systems for compensating people injured by
medical misadventure and drugs. The medical malpractice
problems of the United States are notorious, and in that country
there are just as many difficulties with compensating people
allegedly injured by drugs.'-3 In Britain the Pearson Commission
reported five years ago on the problems of compensation
for personal injury,4 yet its recommendations have never been
seriously debated.5 There has been no great increase in the
numbers of cases of medical negligence, but there have been
whispers of unhappiness with the system.6 For compensation for
injury by defective products (which would include drugs) the
Pearson Commission recommended a system of strict liability,
whereby the plaintiff would not have to prove fault on the part of
the defendant,4 and such a law is now being fashioned in Europe.7
But several commentators have criticised this proposed
scheme,8-10 and American experience with strict liability does
not suggest that it will lead to justice and efficiency.2
Many people believe that real progress towards justice and
efficiency in compensation could be made by the introduction of
a no-fault system, whereby injured people were compensated by
a central fund without having to resort to the courts.3 5 Such a
system exists in New Zealand for compensation for "personal
injury by accident"; I have discussed the general aspects of the
system in articles published in the last few weeks (24 April,
p 1243; 1 May, p 1317). Some cases of medical misadventure and
drug injury are covered by this scheme. This article examines
more closely how the New Zealand system compensates these
two categories of injury.
Medical misadventure
Some New Zealand doctors think mistakenly that actions
through common law for medical negligence are finished. All
New Zealand doctors still have to subscribe to the defence
societies, but it is widely thought that the Accident Compensation
Corporation will cover all cases where negligence might be........

[scissorhands]

NEW ZEALAND: MISADVENTURE COSTS CLIMB
By Glen Scanlon from http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/010202/medmisadventurestats.htm

MEDICAL misadventure has cost ACC $91 million in seven years, with the annual cost climbing to more than $20 million for the first time in the past year.

ACC Healthwise general manager David Rankin said yesterday that medical misadventure continued to have a "very high" under-reporting rate with just 20 per cent of cases reported. The cost of claims was expected to be $280 million during the next five years.

A patient safety study issued last week by Professor Peter Davis, of the Christchurch School of Medicine, found that more than one in eight public hospital patients would suffer a medical mishap.

ACC statistics show the number of medical mishap and medical error claims it accepted rose to 721 in the year ended June 30, 154 more than in the previous June year. Last year, it received 615 new medical error and mishap claims, one more than in 1999-2000 and 182 more than in 1998-1999.

Medical mishaps and errors cost ACC $22.09 million in the June year, an increase of $15 million in seven years. Costs in the June year were $6 million higher than the previous year.
In the seven years, ACC has accepted 4847 medical mishap and 763 medical error claims.
The most claims accepted by ACC in the seven years was 629 from general surgery. Gynaecology supplied 516 and orthopaedics 439.

The highest number of medical error claims related to general practitioners, with 159.
The number of ongoing claims handled by ACC has grown from 66 in the 1995 June year, to 1515 in the past June year.

Dr Rankin said the number of new claims had levelled off with the end of the inquiry into Gisborne pathologist Michael Bottrill, but many people were still not aware of their rights to claim.

The reasons for under-reporting were not clear but New Zealanders had a high respect for doctors and were reticent about sending their doctor to the "cleaners". Many were also caught up in the devastating consequences of misadventure. By the time they were ready to complain it was too much for them to find everyone involved.

Dr Rankin said ACC was using publicity to try to make people more aware of their entitlements. The cost would continue to grow because people were living longer and the cost of health technology was increasing.

Medical Association chairman John Adams believed ACC's figures were fairly representative of the extent of medical misadventure. Most people were aware of the scheme.
Dr Adams said the facts spoke for themselves - "12.9 per cent of hospital admissions in New Zealand will be associated with adverse effects of some description, of which 6.3 per cent are preventable".

A lot of effort was being put into the issue of quality medical care and trying to reduce errors by targeting medical systems, Dr Adams said.

New Zealand's rate of medical error was comparable to those in Australia and Britain.

Medical errors and mishaps CLAIMS for medical misadventure arise from personal injury resulting from medical error or mishap. Medical error is the failure of a registered health professional to observe the standard of care and skill reasonably expected in the circumstances. It includes situations when the health professional is negligent about a diagnosis. Medical mishap is an adverse result of treatment by, or at the direction, of a registered health professional. This occurs if the adverse result would not occur in more than 1 per cent of cases where that treatment was given, and hospitalisation, significant disability, or death resulted.

ACC does not pay lump sums for medical misadventure though that is to change from April 1. Victims receive weekly payments. In the case of accidental death, ACC will pay a funeral grant of up to $3186. The victim's partner can also receive $4563 and children and other dependants $2881 each.
Independent Newspapers, quoting The Dominion, 8th December 2001

Phillip Day's Comment: After recently touring that fine country New Zealand, and meeting some of its people in December, the medical establishment predictably reacted to my message of the extent of iatrogenic death in New Zealand with disbelief, feigned outrage and cries of "Nonsense!"

I think it's high time these authorities were brought to account. The answer is not higher compensation claims, but a complete reorganising of how disease is treated from the outset. Nutrition should blaze the way forward, with somatic treatments applied strictly where needed. As usual, this is not the message the pharma-complex wishes to hear, but hear it they shall, if the people of that great country organise and cry loudly enough for a end to 'medical misadventure'.

[scissorhands]

MEDICAL MISADVENTURE AND ACCIDENT COMPENSATION IN NEW
ZEALAND http://www.victoria.ac.nz/law/research/publications/vuwlr/prev-issues/pdf/vol-35-2004/issue-4/howell.pdf

Whos killing who http://www.canlaw.com/rights/whokills.htm

Wakie wakie

[Coolz]

The old sheila has become a bit forgetful lately with reguard to her domestic chores. When I tactfully raised this matter with her I was aghast to discover she was also afflicted with deafness. Remembering Scissorhand's informative post I got the drenchgun from the shed and that night,when she was sleeping, I administered a liberal dose of Hydrogen Peroxide to her left ear. The results were not as I had expected and I had to rush back to the computer to google 'Cure for raving mad woman'.
Well Witchdocta,a medical expert from Haiti, recommended a Lobotomy and Lector from Bedlam was kind enough to post step by step instructions. So now I'm sharpening up my favorite filleting knife while waiting on the drill to charge. Dam I love this internet,so many experts at your fingertips,havn't had a dull day since I got it installed. :laugh: