SlutWalk [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

Paul in NZ

25th June 2011, 18:17

What a bunch of politically correct friggin idiots.... The people who will even give them 5 mins of time to listen to the message are not likely to be rapists anyway and the rapists won't give a flying fuck. The man may have delivered his message improperly but its a no brainer - dressing inappropriately and drinking immodestly is a reciepe for disaster as it might just tip some rapist nutter over the edge... Placards wont stop that and saying 'we should be safe from men' wont either... sigh....

98tls

25th June 2011, 18:22

I very much doubt a rapist gives a flying fuck what a womens wearing eh,dopey tarts.

Usarka

25th June 2011, 18:28

Comic book guy on the news had a sign saying "I'm here for the sluts" :rofl:

kiwisfly

25th June 2011, 18:30

Virago

25th June 2011, 18:32

Be careful - this delicious outrage has gone international because some cop in Canada suggested dressing sensibly...

jaffaonajappa

25th June 2011, 18:33

And im stuck at home so cant even get to Round 2 tonight :(
http://www.calendargirls.co.nz/auckland/site/webpages/general/about-calendar-girls

schrodingers cat

25th June 2011, 18:39

They should have combined with Boobs on Bikes (Pogs on Hogs) - the quality of slut would be a little higher. With those girls it's only rape if you forget to pay

The Lone Rider

25th June 2011, 18:53

Slutwalk: A good way for rapist to scope out potential talent.

jonbuoy

25th June 2011, 19:44

You should be able to walk safely through Mangere at 2am blinged up in a suit flashing a big gold watch, with your wallet half hanging out your back pocket but you´d be a bit daft to do it. If you got mugged you´d only have yourself to blame. Sad but true.

Berries

25th June 2011, 20:34

I'd tap it.

Paul in NZ

25th June 2011, 20:39

Drawing attention to yourself is not only tacky - its dangerous....

oldrider

25th June 2011, 20:43

jaffaonajappa

25th June 2011, 20:47

Drawing attention to yourself is not only tacky - its dangerous....

This is True....but so is riding a bike.....dangerous.

And 'tacky', provocatively, sluttyishly....hmmm. What are we talking about really?
How long ago was it that swimsuits had to cover most the body - tight jeans were 'sluttyish'...prim and proper is long gone peeps. Its now just our (usually older, usually male) thoughts that need to catch up.

98tls

25th June 2011, 21:00

This is True....but so is riding a bike.....dangerous.

And 'tacky', provocatively, sluttyishly....hmmm. What are we talking about really?
How long ago was it that swimsuits had to cover most the body - tight jeans were 'sluttyish'...prim and proper is long gone peeps. Its now just our (usually older, usually male) thoughts that need to catch up.

Along with a decent diet eh,to be fair i reckon many of our Kentucky fried nation youth are appropiately dressed to ward off even rapists:sick:obesitys disgusting no matter how fucked up you are surely.

Hitcher

25th June 2011, 21:13

FJRider

25th June 2011, 22:19

Surely getting one's cans out and flaunting one's knickers, tats and piercings is intended to attract men's attention? If not, then what's the point? Who's to blame if the "wrong" men are attracted, for the "wrong" reason, or am I missing the point here?

When motorcyclists exceed the posted speed limits ... and are pinged by plod ... or worse ... what is the usual response ...???

I thought it was perfectly safe ... I knew what I was doing ... I wasn't hurting anybody ... I've done it before plenty of times ... I never thought that would happen ... why is it my fault ...

At least dressing provocatively is not against the law ... yet ...

Although ... ACC is looking at imposing a levy .... attached to cosmetic's ...

Berries

25th June 2011, 23:14

obesitys disgusting no matter how fucked up you are surely.
Oh I don't know. Half a bottle of tequila at the end of the night makes things look waaaay different.

FJRider

25th June 2011, 23:29

Oh I don't know. Half a bottle of tequila at the end of the night makes things look waaaay different.

Even better if the other half is ... at the start of the evening ... :2thumbsup

scissorhands

26th June 2011, 08:25

I was there by chance

Couldnt believe the police presence. Officers walking alongside the sides of the march down Queen St. One every 25meters, flashing lights though only a nice touch....Over gunned by most march standards...Not big maybe 130 meters long

Many neurodiverse faces on the women (and men) marching, and a few bull dykes at the fore.

Autistic women on a date are very highly represented in date rape stats. Anger toward a rapist, really extends to anger toward neurotypical or general angst toward a autistic unfriendly environment:girlfight: Same rage that autistics who get bullied have...its all a type of domination

I suppose the union of fathers thing wanting better rights for divorced fathers is a similar though less populist movement

I dont get it, I hang out a few nights a week with Asian girls in bikinis and I never even get a hard on...:drool:

Maha

26th June 2011, 09:19

From what I saw, the attendees were more tragic than slutty.
Walking around in public in the underwear with a sign above your head that reads
''Suck my left one'' ...one can only point and laugh really...slag.

imdying

26th June 2011, 19:06

Dress like a whore, get treated like a whore... when did that become news?

scissorhands.... nobody gives a fuck about retards but you, stop bleating about them

Kickaha

26th June 2011, 19:11

Autistic women on a date are very highly represented in date rape stats.

So is "Are you Autistic" a question the police ask when a rape is reported?

nodrog

26th June 2011, 19:14

I think they were just angry because they have missed out. I mean come on ladies, even rapists have got to have standards.

jazfender

27th June 2011, 01:01

Brian d marge

27th June 2011, 03:32

Hmmm sluts .....nice ...

241429...need more sluts

Stephen

jonbuoy

27th June 2011, 05:10

Probably the only thing stopping you lot from having soggy biscuit parties is the rampant fear that you might be seen as something other than Tui-drinking, shit-slinging misogynists.

What fucking century are you from, really?

The point is that rape is not to be tolerated. Can you really excuse a rapist if a girl dresses in a manner that is considered attractive to men?

What if she doesn't wear any clothes? She deserved it, right?

Someone who leaves a car unlocked in Mangere might be naive but it is not their FAULT if it is stolen. To say it is shifts the responsibility off the perp in the same way a rapist is no longer responsible because his victim was wearing hotpants.

No it isn´t to be tolerated, no one deserves to be raped. Equally you should be able to leave an HSV with the keys in the ignition while you pop into the dairy for a pint of milk but if its stolen the police won´t have any sympathy. A girl should be safe to stagger home in her stilettos and mini skirt at 3am taking a shortcut through the park on her own but she´d be daft to do it.

Motig

27th June 2011, 07:17

Yummmmy!:drool:

Usarka

27th June 2011, 07:44

The point is that rape is not to be tolerated.

Fair enough, but how is this protest supposed to change that?

BTW - It's a well known stat that women jurors are more likely to give a not guilty verdict on rape charges.

Paul in NZ

27th June 2011, 08:15

Probably the only thing stopping you lot from having soggy biscuit parties is the rampant fear that you might be seen as something other than Tui-drinking, shit-slinging misogynists.

What fucking century are you from, really?

The point is that rape is not to be tolerated. Can you really excuse a rapist if a girl dresses in a manner that is considered attractive to men?

What if she doesn't wear any clothes? She deserved it, right?

Someone who leaves a car unlocked in Mangere might be naive but it is not their FAULT if it is stolen. To say it is shifts the responsibility off the perp in the same way a rapist is no longer responsible because his victim was wearing hotpants.

Sweet jesus - at what point did anyone say they would 'excuse' a rapist if the girl was dressed in an attractive manner? Rape, like all crimes of violence is a terrible thing and with 99% of men you would be perfectly safe walking around stark bollocks naked.

BUT - just like I wouldnt go stand outside the Mongrel Mob HQ with a white is right tee shirt shouting my head off that they are all a bunch of apes I would suggest and dressing like a slut ie sexually provocatively (instead of attractively) in a situation where you could be vunerable or in the presence of the 1% of men who cant be trusted ie in public is a really stupid idea.

Rule 1 of self defence is to not get yourself into dangerous situations in the first place.

Society evolved rules and customs for a good reason. Use some common sense

jazfender

27th June 2011, 11:23

Equally you should be able to leave an HSV with the keys in the ignition while you pop into the dairy for a pint of milk but if its stolen the police won´t have any sympathy.

I know, and this is the attitude of society, not just police.

Fair enough, but how is this protest supposed to change that?

BTW - It's a well known stat that women jurors are more likely to give a not guilty verdict on rape charges.

Protests aren't angry mobs looking to lynch, they're designed to apply political pressure, get people talking and to raise awareness.

BTW - so?

Sweet jesus - at what point did anyone say they would 'excuse' a rapist if the girl was dressed in an attractive manner?

The protest was about attitudes towards rape, the justice system's failings and the misguided view that girls "ask for it" by dressing slutty.

To take it at face value (that girls want the right to dress slutty) is missing the point and effectively reinforcing those attitudes. Especially by rubbishing a valid protest.

Rape, like all crimes of violence is a terrible thing and with 99% of men you would be perfectly safe walking around stark bollocks naked.

BUT - just like I wouldnt go stand outside the Mongrel Mob HQ with a white is right tee shirt shouting my head off that they are all a bunch of apes I would suggest and dressing like a slut ie sexually provocatively (instead of attractively) in a situation where you could be vunerable or in the presence of the 1% of men who cant be trusted ie in public is a really stupid idea.

Again I think this is missing the point.

It's not the right to dress slutty, it's the attitude by the police and the public that rape can be the victim's fault.

Telling women to cover themselves up to prevent rape is stupid and misogynistic. Women in burkas are still raped.

For fuck's sake, old women are raped! You (thankfully) don't see them with their tits out.

Katman

27th June 2011, 11:32

It's not the right to dress slutty, it's the attitude by the police and the public that rape can be the victim's fault.

So why call it a Slut March?

Had it been called an Anti-Rape March I'm sure it would have received nothing but support.

jazfender

27th June 2011, 11:45

So why call it a Slut March?

Had it been called an Anti-Rape March it would have received nothing but support.

If it had been called Anti-Rape March, it would have received nothing but a yawn. Especially amongst young people.

Slut March gets people (especially the media and esteemed KB posters) talking.

Banditbandit

27th June 2011, 11:54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNCFLRUsJsc

imdying

27th June 2011, 12:01

the misguided view that girls "ask for it" by dressing slutty.Yeah, so misguided...

<img src="http://www.filehurricane.com/viewerthumbnails/6102008101603AM_perception.jpg" />

If you think some pissed up ape isn't going to be able to resist, then you're a messed up unit.

kiwifruit

27th June 2011, 12:08

Along with a decent diet eh,to be fair i reckon many of our Kentucky fried nation youth are appropiately dressed to ward off even rapists:sick:obesitys disgusting no matter how fucked up you are surely.

Unfortunately obesity is considered normal, natural and even cool in our society.

:facepalm:

Paul in NZ

27th June 2011, 12:11

I know, and this is the attitude of society, not just police.

Protests aren't angry mobs looking to lynch, they're designed to apply political pressure, get people talking and to raise awareness.

BTW - so?

The protest was about attitudes towards rape, the justice system's failings and the misguided view that girls "ask for it" by dressing slutty.

To take it at face value (that girls want the right to dress slutty) is missing the point and effectively reinforcing those attitudes. Especially by rubbishing a valid protest.

Again I think this is missing the point.

It's not the right to dress slutty, it's the attitude by the police and the public that rape can be the victim's fault.

Telling women to cover themselves up to prevent rape is stupid and misogynistic. Women in burkas are still raped.

For fuck's sake, old women are raped! You (thankfully) don't see them with their tits out.

I cry BULLSHIT!

This came about because ONE cop used the wrong word for the right reasons - "On January 24, 2011 Constable Michael Sanguinetti was a speaker at a York University safety forum, where he was addressing the issue of crime prevention. It was in this context that he commented: "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized."

ie - for the purposes of crime prevention dont draw attention to yourself. This is 100% valid and 100% true. I'd add 'don't get so pissed you are incapacitated'

Rape is a terrible crime and of course no one is blaming the victim, of course I know old women get raped and attacked and of course it makes bugger all difference what you are wearing but thats not how this started.

The point is - someones latched onto it and turned it into something stupid. I mean by all means where what you want when you want BUT be aware that there are people out there who you REALLY dont want to attract.

jazfender

27th June 2011, 12:22

If you think some pissed up ape isn't going to be able to resist, then you're a messed up unit.

It's cool man, I expected you to be able to identify with rapists.

I cry BULLSHIT!

This came about because...

Yes, the SlutWalk was in response to what that cop said and yes it was latched on to. The message is still the same.

This of course lends weight to my point that the word "slut" gets people talking, even if unintended like that Canadian guy.

ie - for the purposes of crime prevention dont draw attention to yourself. This is 100% valid and 100% true. I'd add 'don't get so pissed you are incapacitated'

I'd add don't ride a motorcycle if that's how you want to live. Fuck that attitude. That's exactly what they're campaigning against.

The point is - someones latched onto it and turned it into something stupid. I mean by all means where what you want when you want BUT be aware that there are people out there who you REALLY dont want to attract.

Disagree. I think it's a valid statement.

Even if this whole thing was sparked by a fucked up statement from some guy thousands of km's away, it shows there is an anger towards this attitude. A valid anger towards something that shouldn't really be an issue in this day.

scissorhands

27th June 2011, 12:34

Would be pretty cool if you could walk around in tight shorts with a big woody on show

http://www.sizereallydoesmatter.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/13/MassiveErection.jpg

imdying

27th June 2011, 12:36

It's cool man, I expected you to be able to identify with rapists.Heh, yeah, identify with, I like that... not too incriminating.

Basically yeah, you're quite right, anybody should be able to walk the streets without getting raped, and yes I should be able to park my bike on the street all night without it getting raped either.

But that shit ain't the truth, and beating up some cop because he manned up and stated the facts just ensures that less people will do it. That'll lead to less education on these sorts of topics, not more.

But rapists will still rape.

Paul in NZ

27th June 2011, 12:39

I'd add don't ride a motorcycle if that's how you want to live. Fuck that attitude. That's exactly what they're campaigning against.

Even if this whole thing was sparked by a fucked up statement from some guy thousands of km's away, it shows there is an anger towards this attitude. A valid anger towards something that shouldn't really be an issue in this day.

Jeeze - You are an expert and bringing in utterly non related items. Don't ride a motorcycle? Seriously? Are you mental?

How about dont ride while dressed like a slut? FFS - you ride a bike, you dress accordingly for good reason. If you rode around with total disregard in a miniskirt, heels and no helmet and hurt yourself most of us would roll our eyes up and think 'tosser'... Its the same deal alll through life - go to the wrong place in the wrong or inappropriate clothing and you cannot always expect a good result.

It was originally about risk mitigation and its been turned into some kind of wierd woman lib thing ffs Its pathetic (and the number attending are pretty sad too)

Its the original no cause - why not put that energy into some thing meaningful...

scissorhands

27th June 2011, 12:48

Dress like a whore, get treated like a whore... when did that become news?

scissorhands.... nobody gives a fuck about retards but you, stop bleating about them

Are you speaking for everyone now? Many people care for retards, be careful you may have an autistic child....

In regard to this thread, it is extremely relevant. Aspergians do not realise risk when it is present. Many coast through life in a blissful dream state till an ass hole decides to fuck them up for being too open and not guarded enough. Sound familiar?

Rape, women and autism is an extremely close association whether you like it or not.

Retard Retard Retard Retard Retard Retard Retard Retard Retard Retard

I may be a retard but its your reasoning that looks retarded to me

imdying

27th June 2011, 13:17

I may be a retardWhat's this 'may' shit retard?

nodrog

27th June 2011, 13:20

I may be a retard

Careful, some Autistic Woman might rape you.

imdying

27th June 2011, 13:24

They're autistic, not blind.

scumdog

27th June 2011, 13:31

Rape, women and autism is an extremely close association whether you like it or not.

And booze.

Don't forget the booze....

avgas

27th June 2011, 13:54

Rape, women and autism is an extremely close association whether you like it or not.
Know many Autistic women rapists do you?

avgas

27th June 2011, 13:58

So why call it a Slut March?
Because "Erection Protest" would never be allowed to play on the news.

nodrog

27th June 2011, 14:11

Know many Autistic women rapists do you?

7

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Spearfish

27th June 2011, 14:11

Because "Erection Protest" would never be allowed to play on the news.

Yeah it wood...

Banditbandit

27th June 2011, 14:36

Yeah it wood...

Fuck em if they can't take a joke ...

scissorhands

27th June 2011, 14:53

Know many Autistic women rapists do you?

I know of a few autistic guys falsely accused of rape, Aaron Farmer $350k? I believe the figures are high enough to be significant

Its a kind of reverse rape, due to a spurned women/divorcee/lying angry drunk drugged woman, where an [innocent] male gets fucked up/has his ass raped by someone else, for saying something stupid or inadvertently insulting the female sex partner and accuser. Or vengeful woman wanting to hurt a former lover

Equal rights eh?

superman

27th June 2011, 15:02

Equal rights eh?

It's all a bunch of bullshit.

There's a "women's space" at university, even though university institutions have had higher numbers of women for quite a while now. Their justification is they need a place they can feel safe and free from men.

Where's the men space? Not that the men would want it. But it would be like creating a "white space" because there is a higher assault rate coming from non-whites just like a higher sexual assault rate from men than women. You don't segregate for such things, modern society should be trying to rid itself of such ridiculousness. Odd enough that people think it's justified that the public has single sex bathrooms.

SOCIETY STUPID!

jazfender

27th June 2011, 16:17

But that shit ain't the truth, and beating up some cop because he manned up and stated the facts just ensures that less people will do it. That'll lead to less education on these sorts of topics, not more.

Stated facts? He said women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized. That isn't fact, that's opinion.

Not only that but he apologized for making the remark suggesting that even he knew he was in the wrong. How about those facts?

Its the same deal alll through life - go to the wrong place in the wrong or inappropriate clothing and you cannot always expect a good result.

I know. The cop said they shouldn't dress provocatively in general - implying anywhere, not just outside Mongrel Mob HQ.

It was originally about risk mitigation and its been turned into some kind of wierd woman lib thing ffs Its pathetic (and the number attending are pretty sad too)

Risk mitigation, fuck that as well. Not only is it about freedom of speech, choice, expression, but also about disassociating women's sexuality from violence.

Rapists don't care what you're wearing.

imdying

27th June 2011, 16:39

Stated facts? He said women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized. That isn't fact, that's opinion.Yes, that's a fact.

Not only that but he apologized for making the remark suggesting that even he knew he was in the wrong. How about those facts?He knew he was in the wrong? That's not a fact, that's an opinion. Fact is he knew he was about to get a roasting from feminists who twisted his words and tried to mitigate that.

Risk mitigation, fuck that as well. Not only is it about freedom of speech, choice, expression, but also about disassociating women's sexuality from violence.This right here is the real problem.

He didn't make his comments about freedom of speed, choice, or expression. He made his comments based on wanting to fulfil one of the males natural desires; to protect females from predators. All he wanted was for less women to be raped.

The fact that you idiotic feminists can't see that is somewhat disturbing. On that basis, they deserve to get raped.

jaffaonajappa

27th June 2011, 18:34

It was originally about risk mitigation and its been turned into some kind of wierd woman lib thing ffs Its pathetic (and the number attending are pretty sad too)

But theres the issue. It shouldn't be about 'risk mitigation' - and it is really a womens lib thing.

Common sense says women shouldnt be alone in dark or dangerous places etc - thats been a given. But the rapists dont target just slappers / sluts, do they. They target anything. Grandmothers, anyone.

Personally - ive always appreciated trampy dressed chicks.

jazfender

27th June 2011, 21:59

Yes, that's a fact.

Except that it isn't. Women will be raped regardless of what they're wearing. Even (or especially?) cartoon mascot costumes.

He knew he was in the wrong? That's not a fact, that's an opinion. Fact is he knew he was about to get a roasting from feminists who twisted his words and tried to mitigate that.

OK, I'll admit that I don't know the reason he apologised, but normally people do it when they realise they are wrong. Of course there's as much chance he did so to save face, as that's what you do these days, so this is a moot point.

He didn't make his comments about freedom of speed, choice, or expression. He made his comments based on wanting to fulfil one of the males natural desires; to protect females from predators. All he wanted was for less women to be raped.

When a person of authority speaks about a crime in which they are in a position to prevent or protect, one would hope they knew what the fuck they were talking about.

When a group of victims are told that they are partly to blame for the offence, based on...nothing, by said authority figure, they get angry. This is not rocket science.

jaffaonajappa

27th June 2011, 22:05

Arghhhhhh.
This dumbarsed message pops up.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jazfender again.

noobi

27th June 2011, 23:55

One would consider that the ones doing the raping are just as likely to rape someone if they are dressed like their asking for it or not.
I dont think its right to say that a person is at fault because when they happened to encounter a rapist they were coming back from a night out or whatever and dressed appropriately for where they were.

Like it has been said, we like to think that there is something wrong with rapists, and that provocatively dressed people ( women especially ) dont turn normal people into rapists.

Although I think there is a kind of culture among some groups of women that because say, 80% of rapists are men, that 80% of men are rapists :blink:

Paul in NZ

28th June 2011, 07:44

When a person of authority speaks about a crime in which they are in a position to prevent or protect, one would hope they knew what the fuck they were talking about.

When a group of victims are told that they are partly to blame for the offence, based on...nothing, by said authority figure, they get angry. This is not rocket science.

Thats not what he said..... Plus you are using 'victims' as some kind of panacea to assume that ALL assaults are just random and unprovoked. They are not - just like all motorcycle 'accidents' are not all accidents. Every day I walk to work from the station - I have many many choices which way to walk and our building has two entrances. There is a drop in centre for vagrants out the back near one of them. Aside from the fact the doorway is usually soaked in urine guess which way I come into the building (and I am far from a 6 stone lettuce leaf)? Yes - I choose a route that gives me less chance of aggrivation.

No one is free to do as they please, act as they please or dress as they please all the time because we share the planet with wild animals, disturbed people and evil people. You can weep and wail about your 'rights' all you want but this has never changed. If you really want to advance the cause of womens 'rights' go to Iran or Egypt (or even Italy) - but dont spout about it here because its pointless..

Katman

28th June 2011, 08:48

When a group of victims are told that they are partly to blame for the offence, based on...nothing, by said authority figure, they get angry. This is not rocket science.

It's much the same as motorcycle accidents.

Regardless of fault or blame, if you purposely ignored factors that could have prevented or lessened the end result, you're pretty fuckin' stupid.

scissorhands

28th June 2011, 09:06

cheeky darkie dipshit sluts anyone?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7sf1yrB6Oi4/ScazWcypL5I/AAAAAAAADcM/VKqOzz9gJZA/s200/paul_henry_d.jpg

jaffaonajappa

28th June 2011, 09:11

It's much the same as motorcycle accidents.

Regardless of fault or blame, if you purposely ignored factors that could have prevented or lessened the end result, you're pretty fuckin' stupid.

This is all well and Good. And quite true.
But that doesnt mean Society should treat either motorcyclists or sluttydressers as stupid/dangerous / second-rate, or rape/accident vicitims in waiting.

Because we live in a society with some farked up people, why should we adjust our own Morals to suit them? Sure, take care and avoid the excessive risks....but dont start driving Volvo wagons, and dont wear tracksuits covering all the curves. please.

scumdog

28th June 2011, 09:33

This is all well and Good. And quite true.
But that doesnt mean Society should treat either motorcyclists or sluttydressers as stupid/dangerous / second-rate, or rape/accident vicitims in waiting.

Because we live in a society with some farked up people, why should we adjust our own Morals to suit them? Sure, take care and avoid the excessive risks...

Certain motorcyclists already have a train of thought that (reading between the lines here) non-ATGATT types are more likely to crash and more likely to get injured and both are the fault of said non-ATGATT types...

jaffaonajappa

28th June 2011, 09:35

Certain motorcyclists already have a train of thought that (reading between the lines here) non-ATGATT types are more likely to crash and more likely to get injured and both are the fault of said non-ATGATT types...

yep. Some bikers are thinking like that.....
Most of us I think are a little less judgemental and more open minded.

Winston001

28th June 2011, 09:44

Regardless of fault or blame, if you purposely ignored factors that could have prevented or lessened the end result, you're pretty fuckin' stupid.

No one is free to do as they please, act as they please or dress as they please all the time because we share the planet with wild animals, disturbed people and evil people. You can weep and wail about your 'rights' all you want but this has never changed. If you really want to advance the cause of womens 'rights' go to Iran or Egypt (or even Italy) - but dont spout about it here because its pointless..

I respect the wish of any person to dress how they like but that person must also recognise other people may react negatively. My dear old mum would be shocked by the trailer-trash look. In a courtroom it would be regarded as disrespectful.

But ok, no harm is done. The real problem is our primitive psychology. Sluttish clothing tells men the woman wants attention and might be available. Our civilising manners make most men hold back but introduce alcohol drugs partying and the inhibitions fade.

I don't think the danger is rape - thats at the extreme - but unwanted physical handling and assault happens because young women do not understand the risks they are taking. Of course the assault is wrong - but so is robbery and that happens plenty. So minimise the risk.

Katman

28th June 2011, 09:54

This is all well and Good. And quite true.
But that doesnt mean Society should treat either motorcyclists or sluttydressers as stupid/dangerous / second-rate, or rape/accident vicitims in waiting.

I'm well aware that stupidity isn't a crime.

Perhaps it should be though.

Until then, I guess we'll just have to rely on Darwin to sort society out.

awayatc

28th June 2011, 09:57

don't tell me anybody can seriously disagree with winston...........

oneofsix

28th June 2011, 09:59

I respect the wish of any person to dress how they like but that person must also recognise other people may react negatively. My dear old mum would be shocked by the trailer-trash look. In a courtroom it would be regarded as disrespectful.

But ok, no harm is done. The real problem is our primitive psychology. Sluttish clothing tells men the woman wants attention and might be available. Our civilising manners make most men hold back but introduce alcohol drugs partying and the inhibitions fade.

I don't think the danger is rape - thats at the extreme - but unwanted physical handling and assault happens because young women do not understand the risks they are taking. Of course the assault is wrong - but so is robbery and that happens plenty. So minimise the risk.

The comment was that a woman who dresses provocatively is asking to be raped, that is wrong.

I spotted a sign in the Wellington protest that said "how I dress is none of your business", that is also wrong.

To dress provocatively or slutterly does NOT invite rape but don't blame me if I look and don't blame the drunk guy for trying to pick you up.

jaffaonajappa

28th June 2011, 10:01

I'm well aware that stupidity isn't a crime.

Perhaps it should be though.

Until then, I guess we'll just have to rely on Darwin to sort society out.

Im curious, have you installed ABS and traction control on your Katana?

Katman

28th June 2011, 10:06

The comment was that a woman who dresses provocatively is asking to be raped, that is wrong.

From Paul's post a couple of pages back.......

This came about because ONE cop used the wrong word for the right reasons - "On January 24, 2011 Constable Michael Sanguinetti was a speaker at a York University safety forum, where he was addressing the issue of crime prevention. It was in this context that he commented: "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized."

What was said was quite different to what you're suggesting was said.

Katman

28th June 2011, 10:08

Im curious, have you installed ABS and traction control on your Katana?

Hi Curious, why would I need ABS or traction control on my motorcycle?

I'm the one in control of my motorcycle - not the motorcycle itself.

jaffaonajappa

28th June 2011, 10:13

Hi Curious, why would I need ABS or traction control on my motorcycle?

I'm the one in control of my motorcycle - not the motorcycle itself.

Thank you.

imdying

28th June 2011, 10:15

When a group of victims are told that they are partly to blame for the offence, based on...nothingThis is opinion again.

However, somebody that could have an opinion on that, based on fact, that actually knows (collects no less) the statistics, suggested that to reduce the chances of getting raped, don't dress like a whore.

You can ignore that all you like, but if you don't make reasonable efforts to reduce your risk then there is direct culpability.

Like riding your bike on bald tyres and falling off in the rain, ignoring the factors you can control just makes you deserving.

Regardless, none of that interests me... people get raped, I'm over that. I don't however think you should shoot the messenger. Given that like me most people don't care enough to do anything, that the stupid bitches attacking the only people that are trying to help just beggars belief.

Dress like a whore, drink way to much piss, stumble home from town, express your presonal freedoms, get raped, I don't care.

jaffaonajappa

28th June 2011, 10:24

Dress like a whore, drink way to much piss, stumble home from town, express your presonal freedoms, get raped, I don't care.

/sigh.

I know a shyte load of chick that are doing all of the above, except the getting raped bit.

Deliberately dressed to flirt. Flirt well and drink heeeeps. Have a laff. Hook up sometimes, not 'always' tho. Head home at whatever hour. Live life and enjoy it. Have a blow-out when its needed. Pretty much the same thing as us guys do - when we can.
Yes, theres some basic danger-meter and risk mitigation going on, basic and almost unconscious from what I understand. The primary 'trick' is a buddy system - dont get left behind or be on your own.
None of this should have any bearing on how you want to dress.

Are Bikers the new Conservatives?

Banditbandit

28th June 2011, 12:10

Would be pretty cool if you could walk around in tight shorts with a big woody on show

So ... which one can't you do? The tight shorts or the big woody?

Are Bikers the new Conservatives?

Naaaa .. bikers have been conservatives for a very long time .... Remember when Sonny Barger wanted to volunteer the Angles for servide in Vietnam?

jazfender

28th June 2011, 14:39

It's much the same as motorcycle accidents.

Regardless of fault or blame, if you purposely ignored factors that could have prevented or lessened the end result, you're pretty fuckin' stupid.

You may lessen male attention but this is the equivalent of trying to aim for straight roads in order to minimise corners and potential danger.

I don't think you should be careless, but that would be in the order of walking down dark alleys at night, not wearing whatever the fuck you like.

This is opinion again.

However, somebody that could have an opinion on that, based on fact, that actually knows (collects no less) the statistics, suggested that to reduce the chances of getting raped, don't dress like a whore.

As above.

Given that like me most people don't care enough to do anything, that the stupid bitches attacking the only people that are trying to help just beggars belief.

They're attacking the methods they are supposedly using to help. Here's a suggestion to help minimize rapes - good policework.

Dress like a whore, drink way to much piss, stumble home from town, express your presonal freedoms, get raped, I don't care.

Guess which one of those things is least likely to get you raped?

imdying

28th June 2011, 14:45

They're attacking the methods they are supposedly using to help. Here's a suggestion to help minimize rapes - good policework.Definitely a piece of the puzzle, totally agree :yes:

Question though... is that something you can do to maximise your safety?

Obviously not, you're not a copy, so how about:

- Utilising the buddy system as suggested by jaffaonjaffa?
- Not getting totally shit faced as suggested by scumdog?
- Not walking dark alleys at night as suggested by yourself?
- Not dressing like a target as suggested by the Canadian cop? OR just the bits that suit you?

Or do you not advocate any personal responsibility in this matter?

/edit: Actually scratch that, just don't care. Rape isn't going to go away at the drop of a hat so you're either going to have to get on with the things that'll enable that, or not, I just don't care.

jazfender

28th June 2011, 14:46

You may lessen male attention but this is the equivalent of trying to aim for straight roads in order to minimise corners and potential danger.

Actually, scratch that. It's the equivalent of wearing all black so cops won't see you.

jazfender

28th June 2011, 14:58

Or do you not advocate any personal responsibility in this matter?

The only responsibility on a potential "target" is to let the approacher know that they do not want to have sex with them.

All other responsibility is squarely on the rapist.

imdying

28th June 2011, 14:59

All other responsibility is squarely on the rapist.Good luck with that :sunny:

jazfender

28th June 2011, 15:04

I wonder what tips the Canadian police force has for males to avoid getting raped?

oneofsix

28th June 2011, 15:09

I wonder what tips the Canadian police force has for males to avoid getting raped?

might upset certain groups if they were to suggest not dressing in leather chaps :shutup:

Winston001

28th June 2011, 15:17

They're attacking the methods they are supposedly using to help. Here's a suggestion to help minimize rapes - good policework.

Yeah its a nice idea but to prevent all crime each of us would need her/his personal police officer. In the absence of that, manage the risk. Lock your door. Don't leave you purse/wallet in a public place. Don't write down your PIN number. Don't be alone if you are wearing sexy clothes.

Honestly, the whole public discussion has gone sideways and derailed. The original words were spoken by a police constable at a student's safety seminar. The guy was trying to give real life advice, not engage in anti-feminism.

Put aside rape. Its rare - and usually happens with people who know each other. His message was to avoid being victimised. Touched up. Squeezed. Grabbed. Forceably kissed. Nasty invasive stuff and it is very very common.

Look - if young girls (even my daughters) want to dress like tramps and all go to a Britany Spears or Miley Cyrus concert - all power to them. Enjoy themselves. But I'm going to be there to drive them home because out on the street alone...anything can happen.

jazfender

28th June 2011, 17:52

To dress provocatively or slutterly does NOT invite rape but don't blame me if I look and don't blame the drunk guy for trying to pick you up.

It might be worthwhile to distinguish between drunk guy and rapist.

Put aside rape. Its rare - and usually happens with people who know each other. His message was to avoid being victimised. Touched up. Squeezed. Grabbed. Forceably kissed. Nasty invasive stuff and it is very very common.

Not rare enough to be statistically insignificant. You can put it aside if you want.

The other part of this whole thing is the fact that he is perpetuating the stereotype of a sexually liberated female as being something negative or undesirable. Even further than that, he is associating it with violence!

The word slut has strong negative connotations and is used mainly by wound-up old men who have not adjusted to the feminist movement. Or worse, jealous dudes that aren't getting any.

This especially rings when there is no male equivalent word and no equivalent negative connotations.

"Slut" is the "Nigger" of the feminist movement.

Maha

28th June 2011, 17:55

It might be worthwhile to distinguish between drunk guy and rapist.

...clue: one of them wont puke on your shoes.

jaffaonajappa

28th June 2011, 18:01

...clue: one of them wont puke on your shoes.

they both make a mess on the floor tho.

jaffaonajappa

28th June 2011, 18:03

Look - if young girls (even my daughters) want to dress like tramps and all go to a Britany Spears or Miley Cyrus concert - all power to them. Enjoy themselves. But I'm going to be there to drive them home because out on the street alone...anything can happen.

+1
Same here.
common sense, wisdom coupled with some reality.

Maha

28th June 2011, 18:05

they both make a mess on the floor tho.

A drunk is normally in a happy mood also...:yes:

Winston001

28th June 2011, 20:38

Not rare enough to be statistically insignificant. You can put it aside if you want.

The other part of this whole thing is the fact that he is perpetuating the stereotype of a sexually liberated female as being something negative or undesirable. Even further than that, he is associating it with violence!

The word slut has strong negative connotations and is used mainly by wound-up old men who have not adjusted to the feminist movement. Or worse, jealous dudes that aren't getting any.

This especially rings when there is no male equivalent word and no equivalent negative connotations.

"Slut" is the "Nigger" of the feminist movement.

Let me immediately say I have no wish to diminish the awfulness of rape.

I respect your intelligent point of view and we could argue linguistics and primal impulses ad infinitum. What I do know is that many feminists are cringing over the Slutwalk campaign because it's become a sideshow and undermines serious issues. Embracing the word "slut" is giving it power when feminism is far better served by that concept disappearing.

http://www.feministfrequency.com/2011/05/link-round-up-feminist-critiques-of-slutwalk/

jazfender

28th June 2011, 21:02

What I do know is that many feminists are cringing over the Slutwalk campaign because it's become a sideshow and undermines serious issues. Embracing the word "slut" is giving it power when feminism is far better served by that concept disappearing.

http://www.feministfrequency.com/2011/05/link-round-up-feminist-critiques-of-slutwalk/

Personally I am unsure whether "claiming back" a derogatory word does anything to diminish or repair harm done.

I think it would be better if the word dated and died off, like Olde English.

In saying that, my view currently is that the debate created by SlutWalk (even if just about the name) outweighs any "power" given to the word.

Problems do not disappear if nobody knows about them.

Geeen

28th June 2011, 22:03

This especially rings when there is no male equivalent word

The word you want is sloven, as in "he is very slovenly" meaning he's easy. Doesnt take much effort to sleep with. Has poor personal standards.

skinman

28th June 2011, 23:16

a slut is generally a chick who will sleep with anyone except you (isn't it?) at least thats what I remember from when I was younger, may be different now in these PC times an all

jazfender

28th June 2011, 23:29

The word you want is sloven, as in "he is very slovenly" meaning he's easy. Doesnt take much effort to sleep with. Has poor personal standards.

Got one you don't have to explain the meaning for?

jaffaonajappa

28th June 2011, 23:37

a slut is generally a chick who will sleep with anyone except you (isn't it?) at least thats what I remember from when I was younger, may be different now in these PC times an all

lol no.
Unless your the defensive type.....

A sluts a slut. treat them well.

Maha

29th June 2011, 07:05

A sluts a slut. treat them well.

....and let them lead the way, show them all the beauty you possess inside...:corn:

Ronin

29th June 2011, 11:23

The word you want is sloven, as in "he is very slovenly" meaning he's easy. Doesnt take much effort to sleep with. Has poor personal standards.

No it isn't as you have the meaning wrong.

Got one you don't have to explain the meaning for?

Hypocrisy says that the male equivalent of slut is "Bloody legend Mate".

What defines a slut? In the 50's it would be someone who had sleep with more than 1 man .... ever. Now where do you draw the line.

Using the word slut would have had more meaning if the cop in question had used it and he didn't.

Katman

29th June 2011, 11:40

Using the word slut would have had more meaning if the cop in question had used it and he didn't.

Really? This gets interestinger and interestinger.

Can anyone tells us the exact words the cop used?

oneofsix

29th June 2011, 11:44

Really? This gets interestinger and interestinger.

Can anyone tells us the exact words the cop used?

I doubt he can by now and I wouldn't trust the media reported words. Joking aside I too would be interested in what was actually said and under what circumstances.

imdying

29th June 2011, 11:44

"You know, I think we're beating around the bush here," he reportedly told them. "I've been told I'm not supposed to say this - however, women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimised."
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Source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13320785

Ronin

29th June 2011, 12:39

Really? This gets interestinger and interestinger.

Can anyone tells us the exact words the cop used?

"You know, I think we're beating around the bush here," he reportedly told them. "I've been told I'm not supposed to say this - however, women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimised."
---------------------------
Source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13320785

Whups. My bad. That will teach me for trusting the NZ media and not doing my own research. I apologise and withdraw the statement.

imdying

29th June 2011, 12:40

Hey man it was a 5 second google/copy/paste job, don't take it as gospel, the place I took it from could be wrong. Doesn't look like it but....

Ronin

29th June 2011, 12:42

Hey man it was a 5 second google/copy/paste job, don't take it as gospel, the place I took it from could be wrong. Doesn't look like it but....

Well, all the news sites I have since looked at must copy/paste from same place. AFAIK NZ shMedia reported at "Dressing inappropriately".

jazfender

29th June 2011, 12:56

Hypocrisy says that the male equivalent of slut is "Bloody legend Mate".

Yup.

What defines a slut? In the 50's it would be someone who had sleep with more than 1 man .... ever. Now where do you draw the line.

As with other slurs, the definition is difficult to pinpoint, but this is a common thing with ignorance. This is part of its "power" because it can be applied by any fuckwit redneck to any woman he feels like, regardless of whether it fits any definition.

The dictionary meaning of the word is less important than its weight and the closest you'd get is a Herald poll or something.

Using the word slut would have had more meaning if the cop in question had used it and he didn't.

Source?

Ronin

29th June 2011, 13:05

As with other slurs, the definition is difficult to pinpoint, but this is a common thing with ignorance. This is part of its "power" because it can be applied by any fuckwit redneck to any woman he feels like, regardless of whether it fits any definition.

The dictionary meaning of the word is less important than its weight and the closest you'd get is a Herald poll or something.

Ahh, I asked what defines woman as a slut, not what the definition of slut is. To be honest, you could be here all day discussing that one although the number one definition in the urban dictionary is:

A woman with the morals of a man.

Source?

I have been corrected above.

Katman

29th June 2011, 13:06

I still fail to see how these women could imagine that embracing the word 'slut' would gain them any widespread support.

The idea of 'how you dress does not necessarily make you a slut' is a perfectly understandable viewpoint.

Happily proclaiming yourself to be a slut isn't.

jaffaonajappa

29th June 2011, 13:17

Ronin

29th June 2011, 13:18

Ronin

29th June 2011, 13:19

LOL. This is the second time.......I have to agree with you.

+1

Its ok. You get used to it.

Damnit

Camshaft

29th June 2011, 13:19

I'd add don't ride a motorcycle if that's how you want to live. Fuck that attitude. That's exactly what they're campaigning against.

no its not, they would be fine with riding a bike, just dont ride like a fucking idiot and expect to live.

Ronin

29th June 2011, 13:25

imdying

29th June 2011, 13:35

Drugs much?Quote fail I suspect.

scumdog

29th June 2011, 17:35

Ahh, I asked what defines woman as a slut, not what the definition of slut is. To be honest, you could be here all day discussing that one although the number one definition in the urban dictionary is:
[LIST]
A woman with the morals of a man.

Sums it up perfectly.

Man roots around: stud (big +)
Woman roots around: slut. (big -)

Who the fuck decided on that 'logic'??:blink:

Winston001

30th June 2011, 23:26

Sums it up perfectly.

Man roots around: stud (big +)
Woman roots around: slut. (big -)

Who the fuck decided on that 'logic'??:blink:

Fundamentally? Evolution.

The more females a male can impregnate, the better the chances of him - and his offspring - dominating the tribe. That is understood and respected.

The other side of it is the more males a female copulates with, the smaller the chances the offspring are yours (the chosen male). Thus such females are less respected.

oldrider

1st July 2011, 11:01

Fundamentally? Evolution.

The more females a male can impregnate, the better the chances of him - and his offspring - dominating the tribe. That is understood and respected.

The other side of it is the more males a female copulates with, the smaller the chances the offspring are yours (the chosen male). Thus such females are less respected.

Well if evolution was consistent we would have moved on well past the stage that you describe by now!

With sex education and birth control advances of the modern age we should have evolved so much that all that all that primitive stuff should be obsolete by now!

jazfender

1st July 2011, 19:36

Fundamentally? Evolution.

I seem to say this a lot around here - so?

If we're talking about beasts, that might be relevant.

Winston001

2nd July 2011, 14:12

I seem to say this a lot around here - so?

If we're talking about beasts, that might be relevant.

The mistake is to believe that we have evolved away from our primal drives. The veneer of civilisation is actually very thin. Courtesy, consideration of others, not striking out in anger, not taking what we want, obeying laws: these adjustments enable us to live safely with each other.

Evolutionary psychology tells us a lot about why we do certain things, react in particular ways, and have illogical perspectives. The human brain evolved over one million years of dealing with primitive conditions. We have only had settlements for the past 13,500 years during which the need to develop civilised rules arose.

We still experience primal reactions and desires whether we like to admit it or not.

jazfender

2nd July 2011, 15:14

We still experience primal reactions and desires whether we like to admit it or not.

I understand that we are still governed largely by our primal instincts but I refuse to excuse the ignorant majority's one-sidedness when it comes to gender.

The type of "higher thinking" needed for things like law and education is established well enough to overcome ideas that promiscuous man = stud while promiscuous woman = slut.

jaffaonajappa

2nd July 2011, 16:53

The mistake is to believe that we have evolved away from our primal drives. The veneer of civilisation is actually very thin. Courtesy, consideration of others, not striking out in anger, not taking what we want, obeying laws: these adjustments enable us to live safely with each other.

Evolutionary psychology tells us a lot about why we do certain things, react in particular ways, and have illogical perspectives. The human brain evolved over one million years of dealing with primitive conditions. We have only had settlements for the past 13,500 years during which the need to develop civilised rules arose.

We still experience primal reactions and desires whether we like to admit it or not.

Yah de yahhh......sure sure.
But for a while now, we have been improving. Primal instinct and desires can be sensed, and you can enjoy the sense of them. Its acting on them, or refusing to (or failing to) use your higher level self-controls that is not acceptable.

What was ok even just 100 years ago, is not acceptable now - people need to get up to speed with the changes, or Quit.

Its not acceptable to unleash a hiding on kids even if baited and they perhaps deserve it. Cops cant go giving teens a kick up the arse. blokes cannot go and 'fix' the local kids that was caught stealing. If someone steals from your vege patch out the back, you cannot hunt them down and skin them alive. And seeing some foxy wee birdie flaunt her assets in front of you....you cannot flip them upside down in the garden. Unless they let you. lol

Errr.
End Rant.

imdying

2nd July 2011, 17:51

I seem to say this a lot around here - so?So? That's your response to evolution?!?! Presumably you're just too thick to comprehend such a complicated concept, so here's a simplified version, just for you.
<img src="http://www.tasteofawesome.com/images/content/45142.jpg" />

jazfender

2nd July 2011, 18:09

So? That's your response to evolution?!?! Presumably you're just too thick to comprehend such a complicated concept, so here's a simplified version, just for you.

thanks bro, that's just what I needed. you can sit down now.

Shaun

2nd July 2011, 18:16

I RAPE myself every time I look in a mirror

jaffaonajappa

2nd July 2011, 18:19

I RAPE myself every time I look in a mirror

me too.
for added excitement, I sometimes pretend Im someone else.
And wen Im really bored...I put my gloves on. Oh wait, shhhhhhhhit.

scumdog

3rd July 2011, 15:09

We still experience primal reactions and desires whether we like to admit it or not.

And unless we cull those with the above we will continue to be like that...

Number One

3rd July 2011, 15:51

Be careful - this delicious outrage has gone international because some cop in Canada suggested dressing sensibly...

Actually he didn't suggest dressing 'sensibly' he suggested that women get raped because they choose to dress like 'sluts' - I don't personally know any rape victims that were dressed like sluts at the time they were savagely taken advantage of and why is it a womans responsibility to censure herself to avoid a penis on overdrive anyway?!

FFS what century are we in again?

Sorry i didn't read forward - kid wants a turn. ciao

BTW - primal urges rah rah - that's a cop out as far as I'm concerned when it comes to 'raping someone' that is bullshit.

I have urges all the time...heaps - quite a few are terribly antisocial too and guess what - no one would ever know because I actually stop myself from doing shit that's wrong. Anyone incapable of that should just be shot...in fact seems to me that would be a great business venture I'm a starter for that! lol

Banditbandit

4th July 2011, 10:03

And unless we cull those with the above we will continue to be like that...

Bwhahahaha .. what about those guys and girls in the blue regalia who have the primal urge to ..... (oh wait .. that's you isn't it ...)

Paul in NZ

4th July 2011, 12:12

Actually he didn't suggest dressing 'sensibly' he suggested that women get raped because they choose to dress like 'sluts' - I don't personally know any rape victims that were dressed like sluts at the time they were savagely taken advantage of and why is it a womans responsibility to censure herself to avoid a penis on overdrive anyway?!

l

No - On January 24, 2011 Constable Michael Sanguinetti was a speaker at a York University safety forum, where he was addressing the issue of crime prevention. It was in this context that he commented: "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slutwalk

If he had not used the work slut he might have got away with it. Personally - dressing in a certain way is more likely to get you the biff from other women BUT what he was trying to say was 'dont draw attention to yourself' as a self defense trick - not just rape but assault, robbery etc etc

avgas

4th July 2011, 13:09

There's a "women's space" at university, even though university institutions have had higher numbers of women for quite a while now. Their justification is they need a place they can feel safe and free from men.
Oi stay out of the womens toilets would ya

Ronin

4th July 2011, 13:25

I have urges all the time...heaps - quite a few are terribly antisocial too and guess what - no one would ever know because I actually stop myself from doing shit that's wrong. Anyone incapable of that should just be shot...in fact seems to me that would be a great business venture I'm a starter for that! lol

You have a gun I can rent? Will bring own ammo.

007XX

4th July 2011, 13:59

Ok, as distasteful as the approach was, the message does have some valour to it, let's be honest ladies...

I am not in any way, shape or form condoning any raping activity of any kind (unless its play between conscenting adults, but let's not blurr the lines here), but let's break it down between the two seperate issues at stake:

1- Rapists will attack anyone they see as a suitable target. I am not at all convinced that the way you dress has a decisive impact on their choice, unless it is part of their triggering criterion. We are talking here about individuals with mental issues, for whom "triggers" are as random as there are varieties of potatoes. It could be linked to their childhood, work environment, or gawd knows what. Singularly mentioning accoutrement is just way too simplistic and deviates widely from the real advice that should be given: IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME... So be aware and watch your back.

2- The fact that some women seem to thrive on the attention they get via "slutty attire", portraying themselves as total braindead bimbos does not help the gender's safety in any way...but not automatically from rapists...Your average John, given enough dutch courage and arse/boobs combo on display, will get the wrong idea (probably justifyingly so) and have a go at what he sees as easier pickings.
Cos let's face it, if it is advertised that bluntly, it is not to portray the intentions of entering a convent now, is it?

So... as much as I enjoy dressing to my best advantage and look sexy, following a few simple rules have always allowed me to steer away from the "slut" tag. But I am fully conscious that I am still at risk of some wacko thinking he can trap me behind a bush and try to have his way with me.

The fucker better be prepared to knock me out first though, cos I'll poke his eyes out and bite his nads off if he gives me half a chance.

Number One

4th July 2011, 15:04

Personally - dressing in a certain way is more likely to get you the biff from other women

:lol: I agree - seen that too.

Oi stay out of the womens toilets would ya

Well they smell better than the boys ones do!

Ok, as distasteful as the approach was, the message does have some valour to it, let's be honest ladies...

I agree with much of what you've said there however I wonder...can we quantify what a slut is and what she looks like...not trying to be funny here I just wonder what constitutes slut dressing...is it just short tight dresses? Can tight as pants cause this rape thing t happen too? Just wondering...cos none of the rape victims I know personally were even dressed up to go out on the town, not a single stich of makeup either apparently...

oneofsix

4th July 2011, 15:14

I wonder...can we quantify what a slut is and what she looks like...not trying to be funny here I just wonder what constitutes slut dressing...is it just short tight dresses? Can tight as pants cause this rape thing t happen too? Just wondering...cos none of the rape victims I know personally were even dressed up to go out on the town, not a single stich of makeup either apparently...

what a slut is and how she dresses is a generational thing and therefore constantly subject to change. I suppose I have always taken it to be dressed along the lines of a TV street prostitute.
I don't think most rapist would touch a slut as most rape is meant to be about power and a slut is dressed to say "here it is come and get it". Not much of a power kick from taking something that is being almost given away.
Also from reading what little factual statements I can about this issue it was more about the lower end sexual offending. In appropriate touching, comments etc, in which case the cops comments make some sense.

007XX

4th July 2011, 15:28

:
I agree with much of what you've said there however I wonder...can we quantify what a slut is and what she looks like...not trying to be funny here I just wonder what constitutes slut dressing...is it just short tight dresses? Can tight as pants cause this rape thing t happen too? Just wondering...cos none of the rape victims I know personally were even dressed up to go out on the town, not a single stich of makeup either apparently...

As I said mate, I believe that pushing the "dressing like a slut" argument is but a scapegoat that the lower denominator of the male species would use to justify satisfying their most neanderthal urges. After helping out at a Women's Refuge for some time a few years ago, I do (like you) know that there are very rarely a slutty image to rape victims.

BUT... There is such a thing as a slutty dresscode, let's not pretend there isn't. Any female with a bit of brains would know what the line is that is not to be crossed (ie: show either cleavage or legs, not both... if you can't bend over without showing off your own map of Tasmania, bets are your skirt is too short...etc)

I cringe enormously when I see young women in their late teens in Auckland. Very few can be honestly called classy. I partly blame their parents, and the media. Yes, teens will be teens and need to experiment, but surely we could do better at teaching them to be dignified about it.

what a slut is and how she dresses is a generational thing and therefore constantly subject to change.

Well put.

avgas

4th July 2011, 15:45

Well they smell better than the boys ones do!
Thank god for that too - if they didn't do that they would smell like a rotten meat market.......:sick:

Number One

4th July 2011, 15:45

what a slut is and how she dresses is a generational thing and therefore constantly subject to change..

That wee nugget there is part of what pisses me off...

Also from reading what little factual statements I can about this issue it was more about the lower end sexual offending. In appropriate touching, comments etc, in which case the cops comments make some sense.

THAT makes more sense than the sensationalised bollocks that's been out and about however to me it was a poor choice of words and on some level I think it reflects outdated attitudes and beliefs.

Number One

4th July 2011, 15:48

if you can't bend over without showing off your own map of Tasmania, bets are your skirt is too short...etc)

LOL Tasmania - haven't heard that in donkeys!

I cringe enormously when I see young women in their late teens in Auckland. Very few can be honestly called classy. I partly blame their parents, and the media. Yes, teens will be teens and need to experiment, but surely we could do better at teaching them to be dignified about it.

I concur - don't start me on the sexualisation of young girls - I blame Britney and Christina and Myley LMAO

007XX

4th July 2011, 15:52

I concur - don't start me on the sexualisation of young girls - I blame Britney and Christina and Myley LMAO

You know mate, as much as I'd like to be able to fix the whole world, I can't ... So I guess it's just one step at the time, starting in my own backyard.
I'll teach my kids as best I can, I won't just give up by putting subjects in the too hard basket, and hope to all that's good that it will be enough.

Edbear

4th July 2011, 15:54

Number One

4th July 2011, 16:00

You know mate, as much as I'd like to be able to fix the whole world, I can't ... So I guess it's just one step at the time, starting in my own backyard.
I'll teach my kids as best I can, I won't just give up by putting subjects in the too hard basket, and hope to all that's good that it will be enough.

Gawd your sensible I was kinda kidding but thank goodness I didn't have a girl - I don't have the heart for it, we would be constantly at odds with what she'd want to leave the house in I am sure :)

Ronin

4th July 2011, 16:38

Gawd your sensible I was kinda kidding but thank goodness I didn't have a girl - I don't have the heart for it, we would be constantly at odds with what she'd want to leave the house in I am sure :)

Don't even start me on this... I am very shortly going to install a large padlock on the tack room door. Get a rocking chair, supping whiskey, a straw hat and a shotgun then camp out until both the girls are past 30.

007XX

4th July 2011, 16:48

Gawd your sensible I was kinda kidding but thank goodness I didn't have a girl - I don't have the heart for it, we would be constantly at odds with what she'd want to leave the house in I am sure :)

That's because I know my girl is going to be just like me... She's already proven that, and she's only two.

Barring her in will do no good. But educating her extensively into the risks of any possible situation, and then trusting in her intelligence to make the right choices and not put herself into harms way intentionally.

And of course, make sure there is enough trust between us so she knows (and does) call me if something goes pear shaped.

Shaun

4th July 2011, 18:10

I think a big part of the problem here, is that most poster's on this thread are thinking fairly logically and objectively, whereas a lot of, shall we be honest?, young males think solely with their "other" head and get their kicks perving at as much of the female body as they can get to see. So the, mainly young, women and girls who wander around in clothing that hides little, do no more than tittilate perverts with nothing working between their ears. For those like myself, these girls are a turn-off and I more admire a woman classily dressed in clothing that suits her face and figure. Especially the young, seem to be completely clueless about what looks nice and what looks trashy and ugly.

Rapists are another sort of pervert altogether, and not so concerened about how a woman looks, the fact that she is a woman is enough as has been observed by those here who deal with the trauma and tragedy of rape victims.

Most of the young perverts I've mentioned here would be very quickly put in their place by said young women and girls if they did try anything on.

Rapists are NOT perverts, they are head cases looking for a power trip or some thing like that I think, Look how males Rape Males in prison WOW!

Perverts to me are just people who letch over the opposite sex, be it female or mail with deviante thoughts going on.

Lusting after the opposite sex is just natural normal, i have spent hours sitting in Cafes around the world lusting over different dressed breeds of women of all sizes:yes:

I blaim a huge amount of WOMENS problems on WOMEN magazines, for example, go and find a fassion Mag with a women wearing cool clothing or jack shit clothing, but this women might weigh around 70 odd KG,s PFT, NEVER- No where- and they are some of the sexiest women out there, but these shit mags teach them from the age of being a child that they need to be 45kg, sorry girls, but dam skinny bits. Yes the slim ladies can be very horny, but so can a larger lady.

oOGixxerOo

4th July 2011, 18:53

The most un-sexual is to harm/hit a woman... Rapists are cowards, and not accepted anywhere...

Shaun

4th July 2011, 19:00

The most un-sexual is to harm/hit a woman... Rapists are cowards, and not accepted anywhere...

Very confused by that post? To Hit harm a women by a male is a cowardish act also, and fits into the catergry I said, ie, rapist are on power trips, NOT ejeculation trips alone, as it sure is not Making Love, so hitting and abusing is Not Accepted anywhere either

avgas

4th July 2011, 21:27

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jaffaonajappa

4th July 2011, 22:14

Perverts to me are just people who letch over the opposite sex, be it female or mail with deviante thoughts going on.

Lusting after the opposite sex is just natural normal, i have spent hours sitting in Cafes around the world lusting over different dressed breeds of women of all sizes:yes:

So....Im guilty on Both counts.
I spent a solid 10 years chasing tail before I realised Id never get sick of it lol.
The speights add comes to mind....its hard to find a perfect women....but im still naturally attracted to ummmm....slutty dressers. :)

Number One

5th July 2011, 07:41

Rapists, pedos and the like are all perverts. Their 'afflictions' are listed in the category of sexual deviance....

Check pervert in wiki it's broader than you think Shaun....infect we are all perverts in some way probably :)

007XX

5th July 2011, 12:28

Hi, my name's 007XX and I'm a perv... unashamedly so!

But my idea of what is right and what is wrong is clearly defined in my mind:

Conscensual for all parties involved

Over 18

No grievous harm to be caused or received

And respect to all, over and over again...

Shaun

5th July 2011, 13:43

Edbear

5th July 2011, 13:56

Hi, my name's 007XX and I'm a perv... unashamedly so!

But my idea of what is right and what is wrong is clearly defined in my mind:

...

per·vert/ˈpərvərt/
Noun: A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Verb: Alter (something) from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended. (eg: to pervert the course of justice)

VOYEUR1: one obtaining sexual gratification from observing unsuspecting individuals who are partly undressed, naked, or engaged in sexual acts; broadly : one who habitually seeks sexual stimulation by visual means.

2: a prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous.

ogle noun /ˈōgəl/
ogles, plural

1.A lecherous look

verb /ˈōgəl/
ogled, past participle; ogled, past tense; ogles, 3rd person singular present; ogling, present participle

1.Stare at in a lecherous manner
- he was ogling her breasts

As always, the original meaning of words and phrases are applied in a broader sense than is strictly correct. Personally, being of reasonably good vision and recognising beauty when I see it, I appreciate beauty, but as with you, I do have very defined parameters of what is acceptable behaviour and I always look ahead to the consequences of a course of action before embarking on it.

It's not so much knowing what is right or wrong that is the issue, it is caring what is right or wrong and caring about the other person as a person with their own mind and feelings and caring about their future. Many only care about getting their own sexual gratification.

When it comes to my wife, I'm an unashamed ogler and voyeur... :yes:

Winston001

5th July 2011, 23:55

This is an interesting discussion which highlights typical errors we all tend to make in arguments. At least half of posters have jumped immediately to the word "rape". That is an extreme position which has emotional overtones and clouds responses.

My respect to Jazfender and 007XX (and others) who have remained on an even keel. :niceone:

Lets say it again: the Canadian police officer warned against victimisation. He wanted people to protect themselves and avoid risk. And the specific risk? Indecent assault, common assault, restraining a person against their will, all the myriad of nasty things a drunken guy can do to a woman when she gets separated from her friends. Rape is at the far end of that spectrum - but it can happen too.

Number One

6th July 2011, 17:51

This is an interesting discussion

yadda yadda

Which you have probably just killed :laugh:

My respect to those who have remained on an even keel. :niceone:

Even keel CHECK!

Boring CHECK!
LMAO CHECK!!!

:shutup: :innocent:

scumdog

6th July 2011, 18:03

per·vert/ˈpərvərt/
Noun: A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Verb: Alter (something) from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended. (eg: to pervert the course of justice)

VOYEUR1: one obtaining sexual gratification from observing unsuspecting individuals who are partly undressed, naked, or engaged in sexual acts; broadly : one who habitually seeks sexual stimulation by visual means.

2: a prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous.

ogle noun /ˈōgəl/
ogles, plural

1.A lecherous look

verb /ˈōgəl/
ogled, past participle; ogled, past tense; ogles, 3rd person singular present; ogling, present participle

1.Stare at in a lecherous manner
- he was ogling her breastss:

Kinda sums up my resume' - I've a black-belt ranking in all of them!:shifty:

Edbear

6th July 2011, 18:36

Kinda sums up my resume' - I've a black-belt ranking in all of them!:shifty:

I thought your specialty was in providing sights for others to perv at... :innocent:

007XX

8th July 2011, 12:05

I thought your specialty was in providing sights for others to perv at... :innocent:

If I recall correctly, we had a newspaper print to prove it a couple of years ago :Police:

Banditbandit

8th July 2011, 12:10

Time for Monty Python

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxVKtNkQAtw

avgas

8th July 2011, 12:59

I like to look at womens boobies and bums.

They make me feel funny.

However I must side with the rapist out there, why dress like a slut if you don't want me to touch you?
False advertising bitches, I gonna sue you. :laugh:

Banditbandit

8th July 2011, 15:36

jazfender

8th July 2011, 22:17

False advertising bitches, I gonna sue you. :laugh:

False advertising is you pretending you get it.

007XX

8th July 2011, 22:22

False advertising bitches, I gonna sue you. :laugh:

False advertising is you pretending you get it.

Oh he gets it... He just likes to play, that's all! (feel free to give him back his hook, line, etc) :bleh:

Winston001

8th July 2011, 22:34

The Slutwalk has a couple of problems:

Firstly, the protest consists of young women dressing like strippers and celebrating that look. Well funnily enough, strippers, lapdancers, and prostitutes dress that way too. And they do so to make themselves attractive...to men. That is the whole point of wearing tight sparse clothes - to be attractive.

So the Slutwalk defeats its purpose because men enjoy it. The point of the protest goes completely over the heads of men.

Secondly post-modern feminism recognises most men are not rapists. Indeed rape has little to do with how the victim dresses. Slutwalk trivialises serious feminist issues about the image of women and feeds the stereotype.

Mmm...time to browse the xxx...

jazfender

9th July 2011, 08:18

So the Slutwalk defeats its purpose because men enjoy it. The point of the protest goes completely over the heads of men.

Come on man, it might go over the head of the average layman but I'm sure you had no problem deciphering the message.

Besides, if the layman's talking about it that's a step towards him thinking about it.

Secondly post-modern feminism recognises most men are not rapists. Indeed rape has little to do with how the victim dresses. Slutwalk trivialises serious feminist issues about the image of women and feeds the stereotype.

Mmm...time to browse the xxx...

I feel the attempt to "reclaim" the word is misguided, but I think the publicity surrounding it was worth it.

MIXONE

9th July 2011, 08:37

Come on man, it might go over the head of the average layman but I'm sure you had no problem deciphering the message.

Besides, if the layman's talking about it that's a step towards him thinking about it.

I feel the attempt to "reclaim" the word is misguided, but I think the publicity surrounding it was worth it.

All I can say is if ladies want to walk around with their boobs hanging out and maps of Tassie flashing I will be there perving and nodding my head to what ever they say.

avgas

11th July 2011, 05:45

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/demotivational-posters-troll-hunter.jpg
Bullshit it came out in 2010.

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KrIiYSdEe4E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
I totally saw this movie for the steampunk stuff.

avgas

11th July 2011, 05:46

False advertising is you pretending you get it.
Everyone has a price. Even sluts.

Usarka

11th July 2011, 14:13

I'm sick of not being able to drive around in my aston martin, sit in a bar discussing my helicopter ride out to my holiday home etc without some gold-digging woman wanting to take advantage of me.

I should be able to flaunt my wealth without these financial predators raping me emotionally and financially.

HenryDorsetCase

11th July 2011, 15:46

jazfender

11th July 2011, 16:07

Winston001

11th July 2011, 19:21

well, under the heads of men: about a metre under, if you get my drift. know what I'm saying etc. (depending on how tall they are).

also, someone mentioned boobies, so that's good.

Know what you're saying nudge nudge.

Your wife squire...she ah..she gooeesss EH?? She's been around a bit, been around eh?

Nudge nudge

blue rider

11th July 2011, 20:28

jaffaonajappa

11th July 2011, 21:28

Its official. I spent most of my adult life as a Slut.....and Im liking the definition taken from this FB page.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Ethical-Slut/103797072992287

The authors define the term slut as "a person of any gender who has the courage to lead life according to the radical proposition that sex is nice and pleasure is good for you." The term is reclaimed from its usual use as a pejorative and as a simple label for a promiscuous person. Instead, it is used to signify a person who is accepting of their enjoyment of sex and the pleasure of intimacy with others, and chooses to engage and accept these in an ethical and open way — rather than as cheating.

The Singing Chef

11th July 2011, 21:44

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/demotivational-posters-troll-hunter.jpg

Haha i don't know how that movie could be "pretty damn spectacular" it was shot, and i couldn't understand German so i was screwed, shit cgi too..

Paul in NZ

12th July 2011, 07:49

I dont know whats sadder - Men that rape women or that someone thought a TV advert would stop them?

Sigh......

We are a defective lot really....

avgas

16th July 2011, 13:51