Rossi is a coming

[Shaun]

http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=MotoGP-Assen:-Rossi-changes-focus-from-rear-grip-to-front&newsid=4923

[DidJit]

Some illuminating comments from VR. Nothing we didn't already know I guess (notorious Ducati front-end issues), but it's nice to hear how progress is coming along from his point-of-view.

Edit: Some more (http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201106254142/Rossi-We-still-don-t-understand-the-bike.html) on this from GPOne.com.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Must be playing with his head that Abrahams has been going faster than him on a customer bike...

[gixerracer]

The piece of crap is still miles off, only way it will win is if they put KC back on it:yes:
Over a second a lap at that level not even close they should race it in moto2

[Shaun]

The piece of crap is still miles off, only way it will win is if they put KC back on it:yes:
Over a second a lap at that level not even close they should race it in moto2


Rossi is from Italy, and Know,s Rome was Not built in a day:yes:

[Kiwi Graham]

Clearly something is flawed in the design, not forgetting the motor s 'part of the frame'. Stoner was able to ride around alot of the issues it would seem but for the front end.
VR has had similar issues, he apears to have convinced Ducati to invest in development to try and improve things all be it to help next years bikle too :shutup:
The front end is still a problem for him but it does appear to be improving, yes a second a lap of the pace is a mile off at this level but it is closer than it was a while back.

I'm sure we shall see him on the podium at the end of a fully contested dry race before the end of the season, who knows he may even make it to the top step but I think that may come from a DNF.

[Paul in NZ]

Rossi is from Italy, and Know,s Rome was Not built in a day:yes:

He also knows what happens when you piss Rome off.....

[Shaun]

He also knows what happens when you piss Rome off.....



Yea, the Mafia ( Pope) steps in:woohoo:

[Crasherfromwayback]

The front end is still a problem for him but it does appear to be improving, yes a second a lap of the pace is a mile off at this level but it is closer than it was a while back.

.

Not really mate. He was 16 seconds back from the winner at Qatar, 14 seconds at Le Mans, 7 at Catalunya,and now 30 seconds back at Assen. NOT what I'd call good progress.

[RobGassit]

Casey should tell Rossi he will never win again, like Rossi did to Gibernau. That should motivate him.

[Matt Bleck]

Casey should tell Rossi he will never win again, like Rossi did to Gibernau. That should motivate him.

hahaha, or tell him to ride it harder!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Casey should tell Rossi he will never win again, like Rossi did to Gibernau. That should motivate him.

Casey has already given Rossi the best ever put down I've heard.

[gixerracer]

Not really mate. He was 16 seconds back from the winner at Qatar, 14 seconds at Le Mans, 7 at Catalunya,and now 30 seconds back at Assen. NOT what I'd call good progress.

Progress?????
Stoner won how many races last year on it, Now they have made progress and he got 4th (only because LemonChello nocked of hoebag) and was fucken half a week behind spies on his old bike. Should have taken a pey cut and stayed at Yamaha and saved face:woohoo:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Progress?????
Stoner won how many races last year on it, Now they have made progress and he got 4th (only because LemonChello nocked of hoebag) and was fucken half a week behind spies on his old bike. Should have taken a pey cut and stayed at Yamaha and saved face:woohoo:

I agree mate. Doesn't look like progress to me. Looks like a giant money sucking PR disaster to me.

[skilly035]

I don't believe it

[RobGassit]

Rossi's ambition is being overtaken by his lack of talent.:facepalm:

[Kiwi Graham]

Not really mate. He was 16 seconds back from the winner at Qatar, 14 seconds at Le Mans, 7 at Catalunya,and now 30 seconds back at Assen. NOT what I'd call good progress.


Progress?????
Stoner won how many races last year on it, Now they have made progress and he got 4th (only because LemonChello nocked of hoebag) and was fucken half a week behind spies on his old bike. Should have taken a pey cut and stayed at Yamaha and saved face:woohoo:

I was referring to his comments on 'feel'. He thinks the rear problem has improved and is looking again at the front.
The whole bloody field was spread out more than I've seen in a long time (must have been dire as a spectator), riders were being lapped ffs! Oh and he did finish in 4th place!

The conditions meant if you lacked 'feel' from the front end you were never going to go fast, who could commit into a corner without confidence in the front end in those conditions?

Having seen him develop bikes into championship winners in the past I can see him doing it again.

[gixerracer]

I was referring to his comments on 'feel'. He thinks the rear problem has improved and is looking again at the front.
The whole bloody field was spread out more than I've seen in a long time (must have been dire as a spectator), riders were being lapped ffs! Oh and he did finish in 4th place!

The conditions meant if you lacked 'feel' from the front end you were never going to go fast, who could commit into a corner without confidence in the front end in those conditions?

Having seen him develop bikes into championship winners in the past I can see him doing it again.

I cant.
When he went to yamaha it was dog slow but turned corners not so bad and he was a far superior rider at that point.
He won his first race on the yamaha. He went to Ducati no any better rider than at least two others who are on better bikes, the Ducati is fast but dont go left and right so good.
Has the Doctor bitten off more than he can chew??????????

[Mental Trousers]

I cant.
When he went to yamaha it was dog slow but turned corners not so bad and he was a far superior rider at that point.
He won his first race on the yamaha. He went to Ducati no any better rider than at least two others who are on better bikes, the Ducati is fast but dont go left and right so good.
Has the Doctor bitten off more than he can chew??????????

What'd you do with the real Craig?? Stop making sense ffs.

Developing the bike is more about the Engineer. The rider says the front end feels vague and it's up to his Engineer to figure out what that means and how to fix it.

[roadracingoldfart]

Rossi will never win on the Ducati , he demands a perfectmachine and when hes got one he is unbeatable, when hes got to try and make the bike work and compensate with raw edged ability hes a fuckin girl.
How well did Ducati do last year ?? better than i is this year anyhow.

[RobGassit]

Rossi might have Troy Corser disease. If it ain't perfecto he just fanny's about and blames the engineers. Troy Bayliss on the other hand,, ( Phaarkin Legend ) would wring the neck out of whatever he ended up sitting on, much like Kevin Scwhantz. That's why those guy's are legends, because they RIDE the bike. No offence to Rossi or Corser fans. I'm just sayin I admire the guy's with mongrel in them..

[Brian d marge]

What'd you do with the real Craig?? Stop making sense ffs.

Developing the bike is more about the Engineer. The rider says the front end feels vague and it's up to his Engineer to figure out what that means and how to fix it.
Thats why its a team

and good engineers know what vague in corners means

As said before, I think the Ducati is fundamentally flawed with regard to the basic geometry ( which they cant change )and how that geometry works with the tyres

This new rear geometry probably has some good points and is a way of "bettering the package " , stiffens it up lowers the mass moment a little ( Honda call it mass centralization)

but its pivoting off the crankcase , which means heavier crankcases , its a v twin ( a ducati )
long wheelbase , and if you try to shorten the wheelbase , you move big heavy bits to places where you might not want em

He is complaining of lack of turn in hence low mid corner speed ( next year , will this disappear? ) which would suggest the above..

Falling off hurts and doest help anyone, I agree with JB , understand why then get it working and I have to say for a small team like Ducati , they aint half doing a good Job with what they have

Stephen

[jaffaonajappa]

Rossi might have Troy Corser disease. If it ain't perfecto he just fanny's about and blames the engineers. Troy Bayliss on the other hand,, ( Phaarkin Legend ) would wring the neck out of whatever he ended up sitting on, much like Kevin Scwhantz. That's why those guy's are legends, because they RIDE the bike. No offence to Rossi or Corser fans. I'm just sayin I admire the guy's with mongrel in them..

Yeah, im hearing you there.
Add Randy Mamola to that list....farken legend that invented the stoppie (well made it visible to joe bloggs public!)

[eelracing]

How well did Ducati do last year ?? better than i is this year anyhow.

Not quite chap,took Casey 13 rounds before he even won a GP last year,and he sure had his fair share of issues with it.Only prob as I see it is he had 4 years to develop it and only succeeded in making it worse.

[Shaun]

Not quite chap,took Casey 13 rounds before he even won a GP last year,and he sure had his fair share of issues with it.Only prob as I see it is he had 4 years to develop it and only succeeded in making it worse.



Exactually, and Honda and Yamaha have developed there bikes a LOT ( Honda mainly) over last years set up

[Crasherfromwayback]

.Only prob as I see it is he had 4 years to develop it and only succeeded in making it worse.

Bit hard to 'develop' a bike when the stubborn fucks won't do anything you ask for as you're winning on it.

Much easier to get them the pull finger when they've near bankrupted themselves buying the 'worlds greatest development rider' and they can't win races or make it better.

[Shaun]

Bit hard to 'develop' a bike when the stubborn fucks won't do anything you ask for as you're winning on it.

Much easier to get them the pull finger when they've near bankrupted themselves buying the 'worlds greatest development rider' and they can't win races or make it better.



Guess you must be privligged to the Buisnes dealings of Ducati to know that for a fact mate haha yea write Ussumption is a dangerous thing eh

[Crasherfromwayback]

Guess you must be privligged to the Buisnes dealings of Ducati to know that for a fact mate haha yea write Ussumption is a dangerous thing eh

It's called a windup.

[Shaun]

It's called a windup.



Mine too Pete:gob:

[imdying]

It's not even a race really. Ducati are ok on there day, but they're second rate in every way compared to Honda.

Actually, not true. They have the whole 'Team of guys that look like monkeys down pat'.

[Ivan]

I love reading these MotoGP threads the momment someone slightly says a small thing abit Stoner and the Stoner PC group jump onboard with the worlds reason book as to why he is the best every time, It really does make me laugh

[Crasherfromwayback]

I love reading these MotoGP threads the momment someone slightly says a small thing abit Stoner and the Stoner PC group jump onboard with the worlds reason book as to why he is the best every time, It really does make me laugh

He doesn't really need 'us' to tell 'you' why at the moment though...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I love reading these MotoGP threads the momment someone slightly says a small thing abit Stoner and the Stoner PC group jump onboard with the worlds reason book as to why he is the best every time, It really does make me laugh

The other thing is mate...in a thread about Rossi coming right on the Ducati Stoner used to ride...it'd be pretty fucking naive to think you'd read much else in said thread after what Rossi said to Stoner last year no?

[yachtie10]

Thats why its a team

and good engineers know what vague in corners means

As said before, I think the Ducati is fundamentally flawed with regard to the basic geometry ( which they cant change )and how that geometry works with the tyres

This new rear geometry probably has some good points and is a way of "bettering the package " , stiffens it up lowers the mass moment a little ( Honda call it mass centralization)

but its pivoting off the crankcase , which means heavier crankcases , its a v twin ( a ducati )
long wheelbase , and if you try to shorten the wheelbase , you move big heavy bits to places where you might not want em


Stephen

could have sworn its a v4 (suppose you could call it a double v twin)

[Tony.OK]

Is it just me or does Vale never look like he's putting in 100% effort this year?
My conspiracy theory is: is he not showing his hand this year knowing the Duc wasn't capable of doing what the Yam did on his 1st season? And waiting for the 2012 new 1000cc season and will come out guns blazing..............

Well I'm hoping so because the racing this year, especially the last race, is quite dull.

Lets have bigger grids next year with all the top 10 swapping paint :woohoo:

[wysper]

but, but, but..... Rossi is the GOAT!! Stop being so mean! :crybaby:

[RobGassit]

but, but, but..... Rossi is the GOAT!! Stop being so mean! :crybaby:

Somebody needs a hug.:hug:

[Brian d marge]

could have sworn its a v4 (suppose you could call it a double v twin)
was referring to the fact that its a a traditional Ducati layout , sorry my mistyping

Stephen

[Ivan]

hahaha Stoner left cause the bike wasnt working properly if hes the greatest thing out there why couldnt he fix the issues at least Rossi is improving them not just running off, I used to have alot of Respect for Stoner then he all of a sudden thought he was the hottest thing in the world and has gone well Nuts

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bet Stoner will be crying himself to sleep upon learning you have no respect for him anymore too.

[White trash]

but, but, but..... Rossi is the GOAT!! Stop being so mean! :crybaby:

HE'S NOT!!!! Ricky Carmichael is The GOAT


hahaha Stoner left cause the bike wasnt working properly if hes the greatest thing out there why couldnt he fix the issues at least Rossi is improving them not just running off, I used to have alot of Respect for Stoner then he all of a sudden thought he was the hottest thing in the world and has gone well Nuts

Stoner has said for the past two seasons (possibly longer) that the Ducati has a serious lack of front end feel. Nothing was done. As for being the greatest out there, I think he's proving fairly conclusively that he is at the moment.

[imdying]

hahaha Stoner left cause the bike wasnt working properly if hes the greatest thing out there why couldnt he fix the issues at least Rossi is improving them not just running off, I used to have alot of Respect for Stoner then he all of a sudden thought he was the hottest thing in the world and has gone well NutsI'd be running too if I spent a few years with team pasta and they still couldn't sort it out.

[Shaun]

hahaha Stoner left cause the bike wasnt working properly if hes the greatest thing out there why couldnt he fix the issues at least Rossi is improving them not just running off, I used to have alot of Respect for Stoner then he all of a sudden thought he was the hottest thing in the world and has gone well Nuts



Ya left the door wide agape this time Ivan sorry mate, STONER is a dam awsome rider as Crasher keeps saying, it is just the part of him that acts like a little girl I dislike, and it is Documented FACT that Rossi and Jerry can make bikes work if the factory will spend, and spend Ducati will now they have the 2 best people required for this improvement.

[Shaun]

I'd be running too if I spent a few years with team pasta and they still couldn't sort it out.



They must pay Hayden dan fine $ for him to stay on, or does he just know that rossi and co will make the bike so much better

[imdying]

Hayden? Where's he gonna go? Yamaha are quite happy with their rider line up, Honda have no room... Suzuki? :laugh:

[Shaun]

Hayden? Where's he gonna go? Yamaha are quite happy with their rider line up, Honda have no room... Suzuki? :laugh:



exactually, his ride/job comes from the USA $ Market, not long to go there now though I think, I reckon SICKO will be on Ducati before long

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ya left the door wide agape this time Ivan sorry mate, STONER is a dam awsome rider as Crasher keeps saying, it is just the part of him that acts like a little girl I dislike, and it is Documented FACT that Rossi and Jerry can make bikes work if the factory will spend, and spend Ducati will now they have the 2 best people required for this improvement.

My opinion of Stoner, and what I've said from the very beginning, is that he is the FASTEST racer I've ever seen on a motorcycle EVER. Old Oscar used to take me task over how many titles Rossi has won etc...but that's never been my point. The way Stoner rides when he's on it, has not so far been matched in my opinion. All the rest...the moaning...bitching etc, I couldn't care less about from Stoner or any other racer. I respect them all for their balls/skill. I don't watch them for the comedy aspect of it. It's not a fucking talkback show after all.

[wysper]

I don't watch them for the comedy aspect of it.

What about Haga .... everybody loved Haga!! He was insane, ballsy, funny as and took lines no other rider would. Pure comedy gold on two wheels that.

[Shaun]

My opinion of Stoner, and what I've said from the very beginning, is that he is the FASTEST racer I've ever seen on a motorcycle EVER. Old Oscar used to take me task over how many titles Rossi has won etc...but that's never been my point. The way Stoner rides when he's on it, has not so far been matched in my opinion. All the rest...the moaning...bitching etc, I couldn't care less about from Stoner or any other racer. I respect them all for their balls/skill. I don't watch them for the comedy aspect of it. It's not a fucking talkback show after all.



where do you get your presription glasses from dude

[Crasherfromwayback]

where do you get your presription glasses from dude

Hahaha...that wasn't for you, even though I quoted you! But...my eyesight is the most unefected by age part of me left!

[Ivan]

Ya left the door wide agape this time Ivan sorry mate, STONER is a dam awsome rider as Crasher keeps saying, it is just the part of him that acts like a little girl I dislike, and it is Documented FACT that Rossi and Jerry can make bikes work if the factory will spend, and spend Ducati will now they have the 2 best people required for this improvement.

Thats what I was trying to write sometimes my words come out differnt completly to what i MEAN I think Stoner is a great rider yes I mean he acts like a spoilt brat and crys over the smallest things that pisses me off

[Mental Trousers]

My opinion of Stoner, and what I've said from the very beginning, is that he is the FASTEST racer I've ever seen on a motorcycle EVER.

Kevin Schwantz.

[Kiwi Graham]

No argumen t from me, Stoner is an awesome rider fast and consistent. Two things any team would want in a rider, however his ability to spit the dummy and whinge and moan is not a desirable property he has, John Kosinski anyone!?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Kevin Swantz.

I've been to plenty of GP's and seen them both in action. Close...but still Stoner I reckon. I think as fast as Schwantz? was, a fair bit of it may've been he was so loose he looked like he was really honking too!!

[Mental Trousers]

I've been to plenty of GP's and seen them both in action. Close...but still Stoner I reckon. I think as fast as Schwantz? was, a fair bit of it may've been he was so loose he looked like he was really honking too!!

Whoops, misspelt :facepalm:

When he was racing I didn't like the guy, but after he stopped riding 500's I ended up being a fan. He was crazy fast on those insane 500 monsters. They were far more of a handful than modern GP bikes.

Always difficult to pick though because the bikes, tyres and tracks were different.

Also, I'm always right whereas you're not (ask Rach). Haha.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He was crazy fast on those insane 500 monsters. They were far more of a handful than modern GP bikes.



Also, I'm always right whereas you're not (ask Rach). Haha.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the 500's were THE hardest race bikes ever to ride fast. MOST (not all) that could...were ex flat trackers. Casey Stoner is a multi time Aust dirt track Champ. I think they way he slid that Ducati round at insane speeds means he'd be a shoe in on a 500. Pity we'll never know.

Rach has a lot to learn. It's just that I daren't tell her!:innocent:

[RobGassit]

Scwhantz, Bayliss, Kenny Roberts snr, Doohan, Stoner, All rode/ride like they had stolen the damn thing everytime the lights went out, whether or not they had managed to set it up properly or had the right tyres. TZ750 flat track bike! Phaark me! Kenny was the original hard baaarstaard!

[Badjelly]

There's some intriguing stuff here

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/29062011/66/rossi-backs-decision-use-new-bike.html


My team has worked with me for many years: I have no doubt on their capabilities. As for Jeremy, to have him at my side at the moment has its upsides and downsides, and that's fine with me.


When you're used to winning and you find yourself suffering, you have two possibilities: either you work to get back to winning ways, or you lose morale and give up. I've chosen the former solution, and I strongly hope that's what my team will do too.

Upsides and downsides? I hope that's what my team will do too? It sounds like there's been a bit of pasta flying at the team lunches.

[RobGassit]

There's some intriguing stuff here

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/29062011/66/rossi-backs-decision-use-new-bike.html

My team has worked with me for many years: I have no doubt on their capabilities. As for Jeremy, to have him at my side at the moment has its upsides and downsides, and that's fine with me.
When you're used to winning and you find yourself suffering, you have two possibilities: either you work to get back to winning ways, or you lose morale and give up. I've chosen the former solution, and I strongly hope that's what my team will do too.Upsides and downsides? I hope that's what my team will do too? It sounds like there's been a bit of pasta flying at the team lunches.

Ducati will have closed the cheque book on this year I suspect.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Be a real shame if this whole sorry episode was the end of them in GP racing...

[Shaun]

Ducati will have closed the cheque book on this year I suspect.



Ducati is Itallian, and the cheque book will never be closed, some ones cheque book any way

Hope Jerry's wife is all ok

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ducati is Itallian, and the cheque book will never be closed, some ones cheque book any way



If so...what happened to the Superbike cheque book?

[Oscar]

My opinion of Stoner, and what I've said from the very beginning, is that he is the FASTEST racer I've ever seen on a motorcycle EVER. Old Oscar used to take me task over how many titles Rossi has won etc...but that's never been my point. The way Stoner rides when he's on it, has not so far been matched in my opinion. All the rest...the moaning...bitching etc, I couldn't care less about from Stoner or any other racer. I respect them all for their balls/skill. I don't watch them for the comedy aspect of it. It's not a fucking talkback show after all.

OLD Oscar!?:shit:

You cheeky young whippersnapper!
I'll give you old, my lad!







And get off my fucking lawn!












Don't make me call your parents!!

[Badjelly]

Hope Jerry's wife is all ok

+1 to that. Some things in life are more important than the MotoGP circus.

[Crasherfromwayback]

OLD Oscar!?:shit:

You cheeky young whippersnapper!
I'll give you old, my lad!







And get off my fucking lawn!












Don't make me call your parents!!

Hahaha...nice one! I did a wheelie on a mates fathers lawn once in my HQ, his old man never spoke to me after that!

[Oscar]

Hahaha...nice one! I did a wheelie on a mates fathers lawn once in my HQ, his old man never spoke to me after that!

Back to the topic (sorta):

I did a lap around Mugello in the back of an M5 in 2008.
What a wicked fucking track.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Back to the topic (sorta):

I did a lap around Mugello in the back of an M5 in 2008.
What a wicked fucking track.

It's one of the GP tracks I've promised myself I'll visit! Lucky you!!!

[Kendog]

It's one of the GP tracks I've promised myself I'll visit! Lucky you!!!
Speaking of visiting GP tracks, does anyone know when the GP calendar is released. I have been trying to find the 2012 season without any success.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Speaking of visiting GP tracks, does anyone know when the GP calendar is released. I have been trying to find the 2012 season without any success.

Sorry mate...no! Where you wanting to go?

[Kendog]

Sorry mate...no! Where you wanting to go?
USA is the plan.
Laguna Seca one month, then Indianapolis following month (if the calendar is similar to the last few years)

[Crasherfromwayback]

USA is the plan.
Laguna Seca one month, then Indianapolis following month (if the calendar is similar to the last few years)

Awesome! I had a fat old time at Laguna Seca. It's nearly always towards the end of July innit? Rach and I are hoping to get to the new one in Texas 2013. Would love to do Indy though...get to see the Mile on Sat night as well!!!

[Shaun]

If so...what happened to the Superbike cheque book?

Strange question coming from a man that know,s how the Race scene works so well Pete

[Crasherfromwayback]

Strange question coming from a man that know,s how the Race scene works so well Pete

How 'bout Aprilia's GP team cheque book?:innocent:

[Shaun]

How 'bout Aprilia's GP team cheque book?:innocent:


Apples again mate, We were/are typing about Ducati who has the Itallian god of riders on board

If the truth be known, some extremelly rich private person or persons are bank rolling this gig

[Crasherfromwayback]

Apples again mate, We were/are typing about Ducati who has the Itallian god of riders on board

If the truth be known, some extremelly rich private person or persons are bank rolling this gig

Well I for one hope he/she/it keeps the money rolling!

[Shaun]

Well I for one hope he/she/it keeps the money rolling!

Me also, crazy Itallians. I love the way they have read and understood the rules perfectly that has allowed them to build the new thing Rossi is on now, that was very cleaver of them:yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Me also, crazy Itallians. I love the way they have read and understood the rules perfectly that has allowed them to build the new thing Rossi is on now, that was very cleaver of them:yes:

Far as I'm concerned...you should be able to build and race whatever the fuck you like whenever you like!

[Shaun]

Far as I'm concerned...you should be able to build and race whatever the fuck you like whenever you like!


100% AGREED! About time they opened up MOTOGP to how it used to be moons back, where any rider could turn up, and if you qualified, you raced

Simple as that, not like this money orientated bullshit show that goes on now, WSB is way better these days, even though I still love to watch the talent in the MOTOGP show

[Crasherfromwayback]

100% AGREED! About time they opened up MOTOGP to how it used to be moons back, where any rider could turn up, and if you qualified, you raced

Simple as that, not like this money orientated bullshit show that goes on now, WSB is way better these days, even though I still love to watch the talent in the MOTOGP show

Also...ban the electronics (leave that to the production based Superbikes), as for limiting the teams to 4 cyls next year...that's bollocks too. The Honda V5 was fucking cool, as was the Aprilia Triple! Should be able to build whatever the fuck you like, as long as it's only 1000cc.

[Matt Bleck]

100% AGREED! About time they opened up MOTOGP to how it used to be moons back, where any rider could turn up, and if you qualified, you raced

Simple as that, not like this money orientated bullshit show that goes on now, WSB is way better these days, even though I still love to watch the talent in the MOTOGP show


Also...ban the electronics (leave that to the production based Superbikes), as for limiting the teams to 4 cyls next year...that's bollocks too. The Honda V5 was fucking cool, as was the Aprilia Triple! Should be able to build whatever the fuck you like, as long as it's only 1000cc.

quiet in the cheap seats!!!

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[Crasherfromwayback]

Nothing cheap about this seat!

[Oscar]

Also...ban the electronics (leave that to the production based Superbikes), as for limiting the teams to 4 cyls next year...that's bollocks too. The Honda V5 was fucking cool, as was the Aprilia Triple! Should be able to build whatever the fuck you like, as long as it's only 1000cc.

It's all about money.
Allowing Honda to build what they like results in 15 bikes on the grid, a third of them brand H. The new rules aim to put at least 24 bikes on the grid.

Imagine that...(drool)...

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's all about money.
Allowing Honda to build what they like results in 15 bikes on the grid, a third of them brand H. The new rules aim to put at least 24 bikes on the grid.

Imagine that...(drool)...

Yeah I hear ya. Still...I read that Yamaha really wanted to build a V4, but until the rules settle down and remain constant won't. That's a shame. I'm not so sure the proddie based thou idea will work...but I hope it does. As having 15 bikes on the grid at the mo is G.A.Y.

[Oscar]

Yeah I hear ya. Still...I read that Yamaha really wanted to build a V4, but until the rules settle down and remain constant won't. That's a shame. I'm not so sure the proddie based thou idea will work...but I hope it does. As having 15 bikes on the grid at the mo is G.A.Y.

I asked Mike W if he'd like 30+ bikes on the MotoGP grid, and he said 24 was the most he'd like.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I asked Mike W if he'd like 30+ bikes on the MotoGP grid, and he said 24 was the most he'd like.

I'm surprised he'd still rather not see 250 two strokes on the grid being an ex (and very good at that) 250GP pilot! But yeah...too many bikes is also no good. Moto 2 is dangerous carnage at times.

[Kendog]

Awesome! I had a fat old time at Laguna Seca. It's nearly always towards the end of July innit? Rach and I are hoping to get to the new one in Texas 2013. Would love to do Indy though...get to see the Mile on Sat night as well!!!
Yep, if it all pans out it will be very cool.
What is the 'Mile on Sat night'?

[Oscar]

I'm surprised he'd still rather not see 250 two strokes on the grid being an ex (and very good at that) 250GP pilot! But yeah...too many bikes is also no good. Moto 2 is dangerous carnage at times.

I think there were a few tears on the page when he drafted the Moto2 regulations.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yep, if it all pans out it will be very cool.
What is the 'Mile on Sat night'?

The 'Mile' flat track races they have at the Indy GP mate! Awesome!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think there were a few tears on the page when he drafted the Moto2 regulations.

I bet. I remember him and John Reid going at it like it was yesterday.

[eelracing]

As having 15 bikes on the grid at the mo is G.A.Y.

WTF! I could expect a comment like that from a recent Paris Hilton fanboy Pete,but not a seasoned GP watcher such as yourself.

Think back to the golden age of GP racing late 80's early 90's era when Rainey/Schwants were waging their war with Doohan,Eddie,& Gardener sniping down the casualties.There was only four or five factory riders capable of winning then,the also rans were pissing about on old Honda's and ROC Yamahas.
Hell...there was only ten finishers at Laguna in 1990,and barely 15 finishers(on a good day)in any race back then.

Does it not remind you of this years Championship.There will always be the odd processional race in GP's it's part and parcel of an elite sport...but when you have 4 or five going for it (and it's coming)it's worth the wait.

If that were all there was on a grid,then i'd take it any day over WSB truck racing.

Now i'm going back to my cheap seat.:sunny:

[rachprice]

My opinion of Stoner, and what I've said from the very beginning, is that he is the FASTEST racer I've ever seen on a motorcycle EVER. .


Also...ban the electronics (leave that to the production based Superbikes),


I'm surprised he'd still rather not see 250 two strokes on the grid being an ex (and very good at that) 250GP pilot! But yeah...too many bikes is also no good. Moto 2 is dangerous carnage at times.


Someone agrees with you!!

Andrea Dovisioso


You believe he's [Casey] the fastest rider in MotoGP?

AD: I think about the speed, yes, but it is not just the speed to win the championship. Because if you speak about the speed he would have ten championships, but it isn't like this.

You rode a 250 and you've watched Moto2. Which class do you think better prepares you for MotoGP?

AD: There is no comparison; Moto2 is so bad about that for many reasons. The 250 two-stroke, there's nothing similar to MotoGP, but if you are fast on a 250, you are fast, because it's so difficult to be fast on a 250. So when you arrive with good speed on a 250, it means you did a good job, you can understand many things and you are really precise on the throttle. Sure, you don't have the experience of riding four-strokes, but if you see in the past all the talent came from 250 and from the first year they can fight for the podium and fight for the victory. Many people come from Superbike and it's very similar to MotoGP, but nothing happens. It means if you are fast in 250 there is a reason. In Moto2, no. I never tried the bike, so I can't say exactly, but it looks like there isn't enough power. So it's easy because it's a four-stroke and you have too much engine braking. This makes it slide on the entry and this is the opposite way of riding 250 and MotoGP, completely the opposite way. So you learn a style different from MotoGP and this style makes the talent of the riders close, because this is the limit of the bikes. You can do nothing about that.

If you were put in charge of MotoGP, what would you change?

AD: What I would like to change is the electronics system. It's something very important for the safety, something very important for the street bike, so this is really good. But to have fun riding the bike on the track and to have a battle on the race track, you need to cut the electronic system. Not everything, but more than 50%, because the bike without the electronics system is uncontrollable and when you need to control a difficult bike you're sliding a lot, you're making more mistakes than now, so everybody is closer; it depends, but they can be closer and you're spinning more. Everything is nicer, so this I would like to see happen

[Shaun]

Someone agrees with you!!

Andrea Dovisioso

You believe he's [Casey] the fastest rider in MotoGP?

AD: I think about the speed, yes, but it is not just the speed to win the championship. Because if you speak about the speed he would have ten championships, but it isn't like this.

You rode a 250 and you've watched Moto2. Which class do you think better prepares you for MotoGP?

AD: There is no comparison; Moto2 is so bad about that for many reasons. The 250 two-stroke, there's nothing similar to MotoGP, but if you are fast on a 250, you are fast, because it's so difficult to be fast on a 250. So when you arrive with good speed on a 250, it means you did a good job, you can understand many things and you are really precise on the throttle. Sure, you don't have the experience of riding four-strokes, but if you see in the past all the talent came from 250 and from the first year they can fight for the podium and fight for the victory. Many people come from Superbike and it's very similar to MotoGP, but nothing happens. It means if you are fast in 250 there is a reason. In Moto2, no. I never tried the bike, so I can't say exactly, but it looks like there isn't enough power. So it's easy because it's a four-stroke and you have too much engine braking. This makes it slide on the entry and this is the opposite way of riding 250 and MotoGP, completely the opposite way. So you learn a style different from MotoGP and this style makes the talent of the riders close, because this is the limit of the bikes. You can do nothing about that.

If you were put in charge of MotoGP, what would you change?

AD: What I would like to change is the electronics system. It's something very important for the safety, something very important for the street bike, so this is really good. But to have fun riding the bike on the track and to have a battle on the race track, you need to cut the electronic system. Not everything, but more than 50%, because the bike without the electronics system is uncontrollable and when you need to control a difficult bike you're sliding a lot, you're making more mistakes than now, so everybody is closer; it depends, but they can be closer and you're spinning more. Everything is nicer, so this I would like to see happen



Traction control TOTAL bollocks, safety my arse, safety for the riders that cannot control the trigger they are pulling maybe, but that is it. Ban it and lets watch whem crash, in the 2 stroke days it did NOT exist, and they were propper women to ride, not like these stroke it and survive suckers, no technique, no control, no JOY, just pull the trigger



Stoner fits your choice man

Come in MR SHIRRIFS

[cowpoos]

Troy Bayliss on the other hand,, ( Phaarkin Legend ) would wring the neck out of whatever he ended up sitting on,

You mean like that Camo win on the ducati motoGP bike after he got another WSBK title...went out there and gave the bike a good old fashioned whooping!!

[cowpoos]

but, but, but..... Rossi is the GOAT!! Stop being so mean! :crybaby:

sorry son...Ricky Carmichael is THE GOAT....no one else!

[cowpoos]

HE'S NOT!!!! Ricky Carmichael is The GOAT



Seems your faster than me!!

[RobGassit]

Seems your faster than me!!

Ricky was good on his likkle dirt bicycle but he had the personality of a chinese wall hanging.

[cowpoos]

Ricky was good on his likkle dirt bicycle but he had the personality of a chinese wall hanging.

don't matter....he is the goat...thats who the man IS!!

[Kickaha]

Seems your faster than me!!

Isn't everyone?

[cowpoos]

Isn't everyone?

I must admit you'd deck a Big Ben steak n cheese faster than I could ever dream of!







Fat bastard!!!!

[Kickaha]

I must admit you'd deck a Big Ben steak n cheese faster than I could ever dream of!

Fuck off, cheese has no place in pies

[cowpoos]

Fuck off, cheese has no place in pies

Don't you check the temperature first?

[Shaun]

Not a bad result from qual position:woohoo: bed now

[White trash]

Fuck off, cheese has no place in pies

+1. Cheese is for Pizza and toasted cheese sandwiches. Fucken cheese in pies.....:facepalm:

[jellywrestler]

Fuck off, cheese has no place in pies

There once was a Girl called Charlotte,
who lived on foreskins and snot.
When she couldn't get these
she lived on the cheese
she squeezed from the folds in her Twat.

[DidJit]

Not a bad result from qual position:woohoo: bed now

True. Was good to see him dicing and making passes. Bit of a debrief here (http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201107034224/Rossi-Ducati-avanti-adagio.html).

[Shaun]

True. Was good to see him dicing and making passes. Bit of a debrief here (http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201107034224/Rossi-Ducati-avanti-adagio.html).



Like his Honesty

[DidJit]

Interesting comment (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/07/15/2011_sachsenring_motogp_friday_roundup_t.html#comm ent-21848) on the Motomatters article (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/07/15/2011_sachsenring_motogp_friday_roundup_t.html) I linked to in the MotoGP Sachsenring (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/140017-MotoGP-Sachsenring?p=1130109437#post1130109437) thread. What do you more knowledgeable folk (than me) make of it? Feasible theory?
Quoted below.


What can help Ducati?
Submitted by thecosman on Sat, 2011-07-16 03:29.

Elimination of a spec tire rule! Most people correlate the end of Stoner's 2007 Ducati dominance with the intro of the CF frame but it also coincided with moving of Rossi to BS and the elimination of bike-specific tires with the spec rule the following year.

Maybe Rossi's 2008 development input to BS tilted the balance of the resulting spec tire from the Duc's hard to heat needs to a those that benefited the Japanese style GP bikes. There also was the rise of Lorenzo as a big talent so more true competition for the win.

There is a pic from Mugello of the GP12 naked at http://twitpic.com/5l35h3/full and from a side profile it is almost exactly the same as their superbike with a nearly horizontal front cylinder and huge amounts of empty space between the front wheel and the crankshaft. No wonder why they are having a hard time loading it to get heat into it. However, this same layout in the superbike is working just fine against strong competition with the easy to warm up spec Pirelli tires. I think their problem is not the CF frame but how the orientation of the cylinders keeps the heavy parts of the engine very far back from the front axle and low. The lower the C of G the less load transfer under braking and acceleration and the less heat that goes into the tires. The further back the C of G is reduces the weight on the front in the first place. Each bad characteristic compounds the other. Not good.

Looking at the RC211V at http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/honda/rcv211v/4/6.htm and the M1 at http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/252229/images/225306.jpg you can see that Ducati's mass centralization is poor and and possibly their resulting high yaw moment of inertia makes the bike slow to turn simply from a mass distribution perspective regardless of C of G position or steering geometry. Its like adding insult to the injury of above and explains both of Rossi's problems of hard to heat tires and a hard to turn bike.

It also makes their decision to go with the same subframe-chassis style design for the new production superbike much more reasonable. With the Pirelli tires heat generation is not an issue and maybe the reduced load on the front tire helps with reduction of front tire wear late in the race. Now the low and rearward C of G is a benefit and not a problem! I suspect that production road and even club race tires are more like the Pirellis then the BS so us mortals won't have to worry about warm tires as we go to the cafe or turn a lap at the local track on our 1199.

Chris
http://moto2-usa.blogspot.com/

[Mental Trousers]

Interesting. However, I thought the problem everyone was having when the spec tyre was introduced was having too much weight on the front causing excessive wear and other problems.

He maybe right about how slow the weight transfers though.

Ron Haslam is a big advocate of pushing things until you've gone too far, because you don't know how far is too far until you've tried it. The Ducati may just be too stiff and they need to back things off so there's a little bit more flex (use alloy instead of carbon fibre maybe). After all, flex pretty much equates to feel.

[Shaun]

Having a chassis that has desired flex in it aids the tyres warming up and gripping, the SHORT RIGID Carbon Frame does not allow enough flex, hence no heat and know feel for the rider.

Fork flex, causing the motor and wheel to become closer causes heat in the tyres and better positive feel for the rider

I believe the CG would also be altered if the bike had enough flex in the front end

[Shaun]

After all, flex pretty much equates to feel.


True that, go back a couple of years and look at the top tripple clamp on Rossis Yamaha, HOLES HOLES AND MORE HOLES all = Flex and feel

[ajturbo]

True that, go back a couple of years and look at the top tripple clamp on Rossis Yamaha, HOLES HOLES AND MORE HOLES all = Flex and feel

yeah.. sounds like my Bucket racer... LOTS of flex in the front end:facepalm:

[gav]

OK, so whats up with Rossi then? Has he improved the Ducati at all?
Bearing in mind that in the last 6 races last year, Casey had 4 podiums including 3 wins!! Remember how Stoner would always be quick out of the box in practice and qualifying sessions, now it seems Rossi can't even get in the top 10??

[Shaun]

OK, so whats up with Rossi then? Has he improved the Ducati at all?
Bearing in mind that in the last 6 races last year, Casey had 4 podiums including 3 wins!! Remember how Stoner would always be quick out of the box in practice and qualifying sessions, now it seems Rossi can't even get in the top 10??


Nothing up with Rossi! The bike is different to what Stoner raced and I imagine based on his history, Rossi has been employed to turn the Ducati into a bike any one can ride, like he did with Honda and Yamaha

[Shaun]

yeah.. sounds like my Bucket racer... LOTS of flex in the front end:facepalm:


you sure youre not talking about your dick now mate http://www.tsl-timing.com/bsb/livetimingbsb.html

[gav]

Nothing up with Rossi! The bike is different to what Stoner raced and I imagine based on his history, Rossi has been employed to turn the Ducati into a bike any one can ride, like he did with Honda and Yamaha

But surely with Rossi and JB in charge, it should be getting better? How is it better than what finished the season last year? Just how good is Casey Stoner to have been able to win on that bike last year?

[Shaun]

But surely with Rossi and JB in charge, it should be getting better? How is it better than what finished the season last year? Just how good is Casey Stoner to have been able to win on that bike last year?


In charge of the day to day team maybe, but NOT the men with the wallet that wanted this Carbon Fibre F Up. Stoner is incredibly talented obviously, but all other brands have radically improved this year, even the piece of shit Suzuki, so your question re stoner and winning is not quite a case of comparing an apple with an apple mate

[Mental Trousers]

But surely with Rossi and JB in charge, it should be getting better? How is it better than what finished the season last year? Just how good is Casey Stoner to have been able to win on that bike last year?

They can only improve certain things. Some stuff they can't change, ie the materials, design philosophy etc. The Carbon Fibre airbox is bike porn, but Rossie and Burgess don't get a say in what it's made of etc.

With Rossi not making the progress that everyone expected him to make Ducati have got to start looking at the fundamentals of the bike. After all, most people feel that if he can't make it work then who can??

[gav]

They can only improve certain things. Some stuff they can't change, ie the materials, design philosophy etc. The Carbon Fibre airbox is bike porn, but Rossie and Burgess don't get a say in what it's made of etc.

With Rossi not making the progress that everyone expected him to make Ducati have got to start looking at the fundamentals of the bike. After all, most people feel that if he can't make it work then who can??
Well Casey Stoner can .... the carbon fibre frame/airbox concept was introduced last season, its not new this year ...
As I said, look at Stoner's results from his last 6 races on the board. It was a race winning bike that Rossi/Burgess inherited.
Ducati were always insistent that the bike was designed to be ridden in a certain manner. It certainly looks like Rossi doesn't push the bike anything like Stoner use to.

[Mental Trousers]

Well Casey Stoner can .... the carbon fibre frame/airbox concept was introduced last season, its not new this year ...
As I said, look at Stoner's results from his last 6 races on the board. It was a race winning bike that Rossi/Burgess inherited.
Ducati were always insistent that the bike was designed to be ridden in a certain manner. It certainly looks like Rossi doesn't push the bike anything like Stoner use to.

It was something Casey Stoner could ride the arse off. Nobody else. Capirossi is the only other person to win on it and that was one of those dodgy races where it rains etc. Stoner had a long list of things that he wanted for the bike but never got, which was one of the main reasons he left Ducati. Things that Rossi is getting and they're definitely improving things, but not enough.

[Brian d marge]

Bin it and start again , if rossi wins ANYTHING , this year and next ( the 1000 might mask the prob) he IS a legend

I would like to see that bike work , and if I were rossi I would sign on for another year Just to make it work ,,,

Stephen

Wooof Woof , are the technical terms used when talking about that bike

[gav]

Latest qualifying in MotoGP (Sachsenring), 3 Ducatis in top 10 yet Rossi is 16th !! :gob: Yep 16th, second to last, only one he beat was Sylvian Guintoli.

[Brian d marge]

second off last years time

Stephen

[slowpoke]

Well Casey Stoner can .... the carbon fibre frame/airbox concept was introduced last season, its not new this year ...
As I said, look at Stoner's results from his last 6 races on the board. It was a race winning bike that Rossi/Burgess inherited.
Ducati were always insistent that the bike was designed to be ridden in a certain manner. It certainly looks like Rossi doesn't push the bike anything like Stoner use to.

Yeah.....nah. The Duc went from a bike Capirossi could win on, and even Bayliss could step back in after a year away for a one off ride and win on it. So the bike Stoner inherited was a pretty good and relatively friendly piece of kit. No suprise he stepped up with his talent and the Bridgie advantage and won the title.

But incrementally the bike has become harder and harder to ride, and incrementaly he modified his style (he looks a lot different on the bike now to his pre-Duc Honda days). Now even previous GP winners like Melandri/Capirossi/Elias/Hayden/Rossi are finding it's so different to their other machines (even Capirossi who won on the old 'un) that the step to competitive times is just huge.

No argument Stoner is awesome but he had the advantage of making small adaptations along the way, evolving with the bike whereas everyone else has to take a giant leap. It's a big ask. And coincidentally Stoners efforts to master the Duc have set him up well for the more rider friendly Honda.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But surely with Rossi and JB in charge, it should be getting better? How is it better than what finished the season last year? Just how good is Casey Stoner to have been able to win on that bike last year?


They can only improve certain things. Some stuff they can't change, ie the materials, design philosophy etc. The Carbon Fibre airbox is bike porn, but Rossie and Burgess don't get a say in what it's made of etc.

With Rossi not making the progress that everyone expected him to make Ducati have got to start looking at the fundamentals of the bike. After all, most people feel that if he can't make it work then who can??


Well Casey Stoner can .... the carbon fibre frame/airbox concept was introduced last season, its not new this year ...
As I said, look at Stoner's results from his last 6 races on the board. It was a race winning bike that Rossi/Burgess inherited.
Ducati were always insistent that the bike was designed to be ridden in a certain manner. It certainly looks like Rossi doesn't push the bike anything like Stoner use to.


It was something Casey Stoner could ride the arse off. Nobody else. Capirossi is the only other person to win on it and that was one of those dodgy races where it rains etc. Stoner had a long list of things that he wanted for the bike but never got, which was one of the main reasons he left Ducati. Things that Rossi is getting and they're definitely improving things, but not enough.


Bin it and start again , if rossi wins ANYTHING , this year and next ( the 1000 might mask the prob) he IS a legend



Stephen...why would Rossi winning a single race on a bike he inherited in race winning form from Stoner make him a legend? He's qualified the SLOWEST of all the Ducati's, he's miles off the pace and looking lost.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. And coincidentally Stoners efforts to master the Duc have set him up well for the more rider friendly Honda.

Think you'll also find he'd happily win races on the Yamaha too.

[Brian d marge]

Stephen...why would Rossi winning a single race on a bike he inherited in race winning form from Stoner make him a legend? He's qualified the SLOWEST of all the Ducati's, he's miles off the pace and looking lost.
because the bike is a heap of poo , as it stands with the cf frame, its fundamentally flawed . As I have said in many posts , the way it is , it wont be turning in and there will be no feeling ( heat in that front ) ,,, ,, and as those tyres are also poo ( work em to get heat and to work en you need heat ,,, catch 22)

As said if he stands on that podium on that bike he has ridden well .

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

As said if he stands on that podium on that bike he has ridden well .

Stephen

His star is fading.

[Shaun]

His star is fading.



The clock is deffinatelt ticking, but Rossi is one rider I would never write off untill he retires

[Crasherfromwayback]

The clock is deffinatelt ticking, but Rossi is one rider I would never write off untill he retires

I'd never do so. But he's an extremely intelligent man. He has no need to fuck himself up to prove anything to anyone, and this task he's taken on might've worked for him 5 years ago. It looks to me like he's not prepared to risk serious injury to move forward anymore, and who in their right mind would blame him?

[Shaun]

I'd never do so. But he's an extremely intelligent man. He has no need to fuck himself up to prove anything to anyone, and this task he's taken on might've worked for him 5 years ago. It looks to me like he's not prepared to risk serious injury to move forward anymore, and who in their right mind would blame him?


Yea quite likely man, and bridges are burned now at Honda and Yamaha

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yea quite likely man, and bridges are burned now at Honda and Yamaha

If he hadn't have packed his wee tanty at Yamaha for keeping Lorenzo on, he may've had a chance of getting the title of the GOAT. Ain't gonna happen now.

[Shaun]

If he hadn't have packed his wee tanty at Yamaha for keeping Lorenzo on, he may've had a chance of getting the title of the GOAT. Ain't gonna happen now.



Bugger, agree with ya again:yes: Honda has always = Money, Yamaha has always = Smart quality in the GP scene Ducati = Passion and write place at the write time with a talented rider

[RobGassit]

16th? Rossi who?

[BMWST?]

i wouldnt write him off yet.He is having a hard time but i think he will not rest until he has done his best.I bet there is serious shit going on in the background for the next years(or maybe the year after that) bike.If he got a half competitive bike we will see more wins from Mr Rossi.I cant see Ducati NOT giving him what he wants eventually

[Crasherfromwayback]

I can see it all ending in tears.

[wysper]

I can see it all ending in tears.

Sadly, I think this is the truth.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sadly, I think this is the truth.

I reckon it just goes to show how much he relies on Jerry too. Jerry and Stoner combo would be interesting.

[Shaun]

I reckon it just goes to show how much he relies on Jerry too. Jerry and Stoner combo would be interesting.


yes, but we will never see that

[BMWST?]

yes, but we will never see that

never a very big word matey.....

[Shaun]

never a very big word matey.....


sure is, but he is at home with his wife now due to cancer issues, and I am very sure he will want to be staying at home for as long as he can in the future to be with her before they both die in years to come. He has been on the road for many many many years

[pritch]

but Rossi is one rider I would never write off untill he retires

Was going to give yer bling, but gotta share the love...

Rossi has never been under the sort of pressure he is experiencing now, but there are few external signs.

Likewise Ducati must be feeling the heat, even if that heat isn't because the Italian fans have set fire to the factory... Yet!

If Ducati can give him a competitive bike Rossi'll be up there.

There may be marketing considerations that dictate the use of a carbon frame but they'd better just worry about designing a competitive bike. Having a carbon framed bike at the back of the grid won't sell road bikes.

[RobGassit]

Rossi needs a HYOSUNG!:facepalm:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi has never been under the sort of pressure he is experiencing now, but there are few external signs.

If Ducati can give him a competitive bike Rossi'll be up there.

.

You think I'm blind mate? Rossi was under pressure from Hayden in '06', it went down to the wire. Rossi binned it. Pressure.

And "If Ducati can give him a competitive bike?"

He's having trouble beating the other Ducati riders, some of them on satelite bikes...on a bike that's won a shitload of races. You stated that I'm anti Rossi...but I'm far from it. But you Rossi fans are failing to see what's actually going on.

He's fucking lucky to be where he is in the championship points wise, he's failing miserably to develop the bike everyone thinks Stoner fucked (yet won on), and he's riding like a fucking pussy.

Well...as much of a pussy as a nine time world champ can be anyway...:innocent:

[gav]

Yep, exactly Pete! Stoner won on the carbon framed bike last year, its not a completely new bike. Stoner won 3 of the last 6 races last year. Any changes made have been at the insistence of Rossi/Burgess, and clearly they have got it wrong.
Seems we might see Rossi starting from the last row quite a bit for the rest of the season? Why? Well, if they switch back to the old chassis instead of this current one, he runs out of his allocation of engines, and if he takes extra ones he will be forced to start from the back of the grid. If he can get the bike working well, then he could still win from there, but it seems that is a long way from happening at the moment.

[wysper]

But you Rossi fans are failing to see what's actually going on.



I can see what is going on. It is just not nice to watch. I am a huge Rossi fan. Wouldn't be watching MotoGP if he wasn't there. I still hope he gets back to his winning ways, but I am not holding my breath.

There is only one way to go when you have been at the top of your game.

Just ask Tiger or The Fed Express.

[cowpoos]

It was something Casey Stoner could ride the arse off. Nobody else. Capirossi is the only other person to win on it a.

And Troy......

[slowpoke]

Yep, exactly Pete! Stoner won on the carbon framed bike last year, its not a completely new bike. Stoner won 3 of the last 6 races last year. Any changes made have been at the insistence of Rossi/Burgess, and clearly they have got it wrong.


As mentioned previously Stoner had the luxury of evolving with the Ducati, he never had to make a giant leap. Capirossi won on the old toob frame jobbie that most folks got along with yet is just as lost as Melandri, Elias and every other poor bastard who had to make the giant leap of faith.

But Stoner has only ever had to take small steps as he tested and evaluated all the "improvements" over the years, and he's adapted lil' by lil' along the way.

But throw the whole lot at anybody in one hit and they're fucked. And if Stoner had been riding Honda, Yamaha or god forbid Suzuki all these years and just jumped on the Duc as it stands he'd be just as lost as everyone else.

[Brian d marge]

One suspects that they ( ducati) are doing their best with what they have got , This year will be difficult , stretching the team to the limits , designing this years AND next years bikes ...how they will change the bike , No one knows , there were Emails flying about suggesting .... GIRDER aka Britain style forks !!! ( yes Shaun !)
There maybe pressure towards Bridgestone to change the tyre or allow different compounds
As it stands , on those tyres , and that bike he is pushing shit up hill and will next year as well , Rossi isn't finished yet not by a long shot , but they do need to flash a bit of cash , by the end of next year

Stephen

Btw , I work with and know one or two from Honda , and lets just say there is an old English saying that can sum up the corporate philosophy . about a head being up ones own arse ..........

[Shaun]

As mentioned previously Stoner had the luxury of evolving with the Ducati, he never had to make a giant leap. Capirossi won on the old toob frame jobbie that most folks got along with yet is just as lost as Melandri, Elias and every other poor bastard who had to make the giant leap of faith.

But Stoner has only ever had to take small steps as he tested and evaluated all the "improvements" over the years, and he's adapted lil' by lil' along the way.

But throw the whole lot at anybody in one hit and they're fucked. And if Stoner had been riding Honda, Yamaha or god forbid Suzuki all these years and just jumped on the Duc as it stands he'd be just as lost as everyone else.



well said dude, very accurate and clear as mud

[Shaun]

One suspects that they ( ducati) are doing their best with what they have got , This year will be difficult , stretching the team to the limits , designing this years AND next years bikes ...how they will change the bike , No one knows , there were Emails flying about suggesting .... GIRDER aka Britain style forks !!! ( yes Shaun !)
There maybe pressure towards Bridgestone to change the tyre or allow different compounds
As it stands , on those tyres , and that bike he is pushing shit up hill and will next year as well , Rossi isn't finished yet not by a long shot , but they do need to flash a bit of cash , by the end of next year

Stephen

Btw , I work with and know one or two from Honda , and lets just say there is an old English saying that can sum up the corporate philosophy . about a head being up ones own arse ..........



amazing what one can learn from knowing people eh stephen, especially when one has ares as big as mine

[Shaun]

Up to 9th in the race now, and the only rider in the 1.22 lap times apart from the top 6:gob:

[Brian d marge]

amazing what one can learn from knowing people eh stephen, especially when one has ares as big as mine

yes but our heads may occasionally pop out of said Arse , you probably know , but the world according to Honda !
there really is No life outside the company...One guy Yusuke works in the motorcycle design dept ...AND doesnt like motorcycles , when asked about Rossi , Nope dont follow it ...

Come on Ducati , at least u have passion !

Stephen

[Shaun]

yes but our heads may occasionally pop out of said Arse , you probably know , but the world according to Honda !
there really is No life outside the company...One guy Yusuke works in the motorcycle design dept ...AND doesnt like motorcycles , when asked about Rossi , Nope dont follow it ...

Come on Ducati , at least u have passion !

Stephen





As I lived over ther for 3 years, I do know how the system there works man, it really amazed me when I discovered people in rolls like you mentioned with the feelings they have for what they are doing


I think my head is to far up to pop out dude haha

funnily enough, whilst I was in hospital in 2007, all [I] wanted to eat all day and night was Japanese food

[Brian d marge]

Next years tyres are being tested , and seem faster better according to people who Know stuff

Stephen

[Shaun]

Next years tyres are being tested , and seem faster better according to people who Know stuff

Stephen



Good for every racer there, but Ducati still need to fix the bike or others will just go faster again as will Ducati but the gap will still be the same

[Edbear]

Good for every racer there, but Ducati still need to fix the bike or others will just go faster again as will Ducati but the gap will still be the same

What is it about MotoGP that makes it so hard? When you think of Suzuki ruling the Superbikes and having at least top-equal roadbike status, why can't they compete as well in GP?

Obviously with engines putting out 240hp and weighing 150kg the bar is about as high as it can get, but these manufacturers know a thing or two about building high-performance motorcycles... It appears frame geometry is key.

[Crasherfromwayback]

What is it about MotoGP that makes it so hard? When you think of Suzuki ruling the Superbikes and having at least top-equal roadbike status, why can't they compete as well in GP?

.

Suzuki are simply NOT pouring enough money into their GP effort for starters.

[Edbear]

Suzuki are simply NOT pouring enough money into their GP effort for starters.

Yeah, forgot about that bit. Same issues with F1 I guess. He with the most money wins. Technology and research costs big dollars.

[Shaun]

Suzuki are simply NOT pouring enough money into their GP effort for starters.



Correct but they are the smallest of all the manufacturers so less money to start with and PAUL DENNING there manager is a TOTAL dick

They need Jack Valantine as the Team manager- He realy rocks as a team leader developer

[DidJit]

Had a thought late last night and was wondering if some of you more knowledgeable types might help me understand something...

So, the minimal Ducati 'chassis' in its current form (being airbox, engine, rear linkage) provides no feeling from the front, due, in the main, to the rigidity of the engine as a stressed member of the 'chassis'. Is that right? No flex in the middle is impeding feeling from the front?

If that is so, does a traditional delta box/twin spar/trellis frame 'suspend' the engine? Provide some sort of 'cushioning' of the engine's vibration, allowing the feeling of the front end to get through to the rider?

Also, with a traditional chassis, how are the front and rear connected — the triple clamp at the front, rear linkage at the back?

Sorry if this is very naïve or ignorant — I'm just trying to work something out in my head that occurred to me...

[roogazza]

It is amazing the effort put into changing this bike. At the last GP I over heard discussion on the Duc engine 'growing' !!! Take from that what you will ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

It is amazing the effort put into changing this bike. At the last GP I over heard discussion on the Duc engine 'growing' !!! Take from that what you will ?

All that and he's still finishing 30 seconds behind the winner.

[roogazza]

All that and he's still finishing 30 seconds behind the winner.

Patience my son, patience. But it is nice to see the introverted lactose intolerent prick is not running away with it as predicted at the start of the season.:)

[Matt Bleck]

I read some where that Ducati may go back to a conventional frame setup, either trellis or cast ali! :shit:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Patience my son, patience. But it is nice to see the introverted lactose intolerent prick is not running away with it as predicted at the start of the season.:)

That wasn't a dig either, it was more as in " despite all the money being thrown at it...they can't make it work yet". Must be doing their heads in. Time for a 'proper' frame. I wanna see Rossi back at the pointy end keeping Lorenzo and Stoner honest.

By the way...Stoner would be almost 'running away with it' if not for a certain Mr Rossi!!:shutup:

[Matt Bleck]

I read some where that Ducati may go back to a conventional frame setup, either trellis or cast ali! :shit:

Here's the aritcle here (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jul/110724onlyifitsnows.htm)

[denill]

Had a thought late last night and was wondering if some of you more knowledgeable types might help me understand something...

So, the minimal Ducati 'chassis' in its current form (being airbox, engine, rear linkage) provides no feeling from the front, due, in the main, to the rigidity of the engine as a stressed member of the 'chassis'. Is that right? No flex in the middle is impeding feeling from the front?

If that is so, does a traditional delta box/twin spar/trellis frame 'suspend' the engine? Provide some sort of 'cushioning' of the engine's vibration, allowing the feeling of the front end to get through to the rider?

Also, with a traditional chassis, how are the front and rear connected — the triple clamp at the front, rear linkage at the back?

Sorry if this is very naïve or ignorant — I'm just trying to work something out in my head that occurred to me...

I most certainly do not know the answers to your questions.

But I do know that Rossi is a much better rider than his current results indicate. Which is a bugger, because imagine the fest if he was up there with the other Aliens.......................

[Crasherfromwayback]

because imagine the fest if he was up there with the other Aliens.......................

Sooner the better!!!

[Mental Trousers]

Had a thought late last night and was wondering if some of you more knowledgeable types might help me understand something...

So, the minimal Ducati 'chassis' in its current form (being airbox, engine, rear linkage) provides no feeling from the front, due, in the main, to the rigidity of the engine as a stressed member of the 'chassis'. Is that right? No flex in the middle is impeding feeling from the front?

If that is so, does a traditional delta box/twin spar/trellis frame 'suspend' the engine? Provide some sort of 'cushioning' of the engine's vibration, allowing the feeling of the front end to get through to the rider?

Also, with a traditional chassis, how are the front and rear connected — the triple clamp at the front, rear linkage at the back?

Sorry if this is very naïve or ignorant — I'm just trying to work something out in my head that occurred to me...

The problem (as I understand it) isn't that they're using the engine as part of the frame. It's because they're using Carbon Fibre for the airbox/front part of the frame. So there's no flex from the front to the middle of the bike, other than in the forks (which got bigger last year causing almost everyone to have problems with lack of feel and some even went back to the previous years, smaller forks for a while, ie Stoner).

Ron Haslam (one of the best test riders ever) is a great one for saying to find the middle you first have to go past it to know you've gone past the middle. In this case that pretty much means you haven't found the optimum frame stiffness until you've gone past it, which I reckon Ducati have.

[DidJit]

Thanks for that, MT. I'm just going to ruminate and ponder some more...

[Crasherfromwayback]

The problem (as I understand it) isn't that they're using the engine as part of the frame..

And you know it's a serious problem/issue if JB and Rossi are having trouble with it.

[Shaun]

Had a thought late last night and was wondering if some of you more knowledgeable types might help me understand something...

So, the minimal Ducati 'chassis' in its current form (being airbox, engine, rear linkage) provides no feeling from the front, due, in the main, to the rigidity of the engine as a stressed member of the 'chassis'. Is that right? No flex in the middle is impeding feeling from the front?



###1 Due to Carbon front end ( NO FLEX) and the Motor being the Main link between front and rear

If that is so, does a traditional delta box/twin spar/trellis frame 'suspend' the engine? Provide some sort of 'cushioning' of the engine's vibration, allowing the feeling of the front end to get through to the rider?

#####2 Traditional frames actually flex/bend, so do provide better front enf feal to the rider

Also, with a traditional chassis, how are the front and rear connected — the triple clamp at the front, rear linkage at the back?

#####3 Just take a look at a ROAD bike, triplles to stearing head which is attached to main frame and swingarm and linkages are connected to main frame and swingarm

Sorry if this is very naïve or ignorant — I'm just trying to work something out in my head that occurred to me...

90% of bad handling issues come from the rear in my experience, as the bike is so loaded up on the rear to work, that all the force/inercia gets transfered to the front end via the main frame

Ducati has only found gains by making either a weaker ( Thinner Swingarm) or a stronger ( Thicker swingarm) Now they are needing to remove SCREWS from the CARBON Air box to try and create more flex in the front to give more feal:facepalm: Proved at Laguna that it is better, but they need a Conventionall frame to get back up there. All the other companies including Suzuki are a lot faster than last year and the year before, but DUCATI has Stagnated.

Italians trying to re invent the wheel, the JAPS Know bwtter than that.

Frame flex, fork action, and tyre meshing with the ground is required to go fast, now they have

No Flex

Over worked forks due to the so called chassis ) Not the forks fault)

Tyres that do not comply to the track cerfice

A PILE OF POOS

Stoner rode it bloody fast, but in fairness to Rossi and Hayden, the others have gone a lot faster now than when Stoner last raced it, and if what he last rode of theres was actually any good, he WOULD still be with Ducati, I bet he was getting paid more at Ducati than he currently is at Honda, but he is a man who will and wants to win, so made the move, bloody good on him

[DidJit]

Thanks Shaun. :niceone: Still more ruminating and pondering to do...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner rode it bloody fast, but in fairness to Rossi and Hayden, the others have gone a lot faster now than when Stoner last raced it,

Think you'll find Rossi was 25 odd seconds slower over race distance at Laguna this year on the Ducati than Stoner was on it last year mate.

[RobGassit]

A frame like this should do the trick.243559

[Shaun]

Think you'll find Rossi was 25 odd seconds slower over race distance at Laguna this year on the Ducati than Stoner was on it last year mate.

This year IS not lst year dude, the bike IS NOT the SAME NOR are the tyres

[denill]

This year IS not lst year dude, the bike IS NOT the SAME NOR are the tyres

Think you're missing the point. That is - comparing this years Ducati with last years. And a ton of spent Lire.......................

[Crasherfromwayback]

This year IS not lst year dude, the bike IS NOT the SAME NOR are the tyres

I believe your argument is that while Ducati have improved...Honda etc have improved more. That may be the case...but like I said, Rossi was 25 seconds slower over race distance this year at Laguna that Stoner was. That to me is not an improvement, and you can harldy blame the tyres , as they (just like last year) all have the same tyres on offer. They're going backwards.

[Shaun]

I believe your argument is that while Ducati have improved...Honda etc have improved more. That may be the case...but like I said, Rossi was 25 seconds slower over race distance this year at Laguna that Stoner was. That to me is not an improvement, and you can harldy blame the tyres , as they (just like last year) all have the same tyres on offer. They're going backwards.



No mate Even you can read english and understand if you just slow down a little and relax about protecting your little AUS mate, he can fight his own battles and is doing so with brilliant class:yes:

I said " Ducati did improve there" Over there current results this year at other tracks, " AS QUOTED BY ROSSI HIMSELF"

YES I can facture in the Tyres as THEY ARE DIFFERENT than last year, and are GREAT for the flexy chassis bikes but NOT the Ducati

[Crasherfromwayback]

No mate Even you can read english and understand if you just slow down a little and relax about protecting your little AUS mate, he can fight his own battles and is doing so with brilliant class:yes:

I said " Ducati did improve there" Over there current results this year at other tracks, " AS QUOTED BY ROSSI HIMSELF"

YES I can facture in the Tyres as THEY ARE DIFFERENT than last year, and are GREAT for the flexy chassis bikes but NOT the Ducati

Stoner is speaking for himself by winning races. More people are trying to stick up for their little boyfriend, and he's going backwards. The diff in times between them and the winner has not really closed up all season mate. I actually can read quite well.

[Shaun]

Stoner is speaking for himself by winning races. More people are trying to stick up for their little boyfriend, and he's going backwards. The diff in times between them and the winner has not really closed up all season mate. I actually can read quite well.



O No, dont tell me you of all people cannot see when IM having a laugh at ya:shit:

[Crasherfromwayback]

O No, dont tell me you of all people cannot see when IM having a laugh at ya:shit:

Ditto ya silly old coont!

[gixerracer]

I believe your argument is that while Ducati have improved...Honda etc have improved more. That may be the case...but like I said, Rossi was 25 seconds slower over race distance this year at Laguna that Stoner was. That to me is not an improvement, and you can harldy blame the tyres , as they (just like last year) all have the same tyres on offer. They're going backwards.

Wasnt everyone slower there this year than last?? That question was asked by the press after Q and the boys just said er um yea we have no answer as to why.
Im just sayin thats all. Rossi and Ducati sure do suck so far:yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Wasnt everyone slower there this year than last?? That question was asked by the press after Q and the boys just said er um yea we have no answer as to why.
Im just sayin thats all. Rossi and Ducati sure do suck so far:yes:

The winning time this year was 43 mins, 52.145 seconds, and last year was 43 mins,54.8 seconds, so no, they went (just) faster this year.

Just sayin.:innocent:

[gixerracer]

The winning time this year was 43 mins, 52.145 seconds, and last year was 43 mins,54.8 seconds, so no, they went (just) faster this year.

Just sayin.:innocent:

Haha I guess I wasnt talking about the race then im just saying:facepalm:
So 1 year and squillions of dollars and they go less than a micro second per lap faster dont ya just love this modern technology:drinkup:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Haha I guess I wasnt talking about the race then im just saying:facepalm:
So 1 year and squillions of dollars and they go less than a micro second per lap faster dont ya just love this modern technology:drinkup:

You know me. Rather see them old the old smoking dinosaurs mate.

[Tony.OK]

Would love to see them go 10 sec a lap slower and have no traction control etc, then the men would shine from the boys.
Lorenzo's highside kinda showed how much they rely on the electrickery, very fast on the throttle = off the bike if ya are used to having the pc do the job for ya.

Bring back skids and smoke :yes: F1 have learned the hard way by loosing huge followings...........look how popular it is again without all the aids.

[gixerracer]

Would love to see them go 10 sec a lap slower and have no traction control etc, then the men would shine from the boys.
Lorenzo's highside kinda showed how much they rely on the electrickery, very fast on the throttle = off the bike if ya are used to having the pc do the job for ya.

Bring back skids and smoke :yes: F1 have learned the hard way by loosing huge followings...........look how popular it is again without all the aids.

If they ditched traction control Rossi and stoner would be hard to bet I think well if they can fix that red heap of shit

[Tony.OK]

If they ditched traction control Rossi and stoner would be hard to bet I think well if they can fix that red heap of shit

That would be interesting, has Casey ever ridden a GP without TC. I remember a few years ago they had Vale following Casey at PI and had the throttle break graphics showing, Casey just hit the apex and was 100% throttle, Vale was more what you'd expect feeding it steadily till just after the apex.

Was definately a huge difference in throttle application between the 2, Casey so obviously relying more on his TC than Vale.

[gav]

Still sounds like someone making a lot of excuses for a carbon chassis that seemed to perform quite well in the last 6 races of the season last year. (4 podiums including 3 wins). As far as money, I think Stoner is getting paid way more with Honda than he got at Ducati. Remember when he was sitting out a few races and Ducati offered silly money to Lorenzo? That pretty well made up Stoners mind that he wasnt really valued at Ducati. I'm sure Honda were keen to pay top dollar to get a rider as good as Stoner. Looking at the results, looks like money well spent.

[gixerracer]

That would be interesting, has Casey ever ridden a GP without TC. I remember a few years ago they had Vale following Casey at PI and had the throttle break graphics showing, Casey just hit the apex and was 100% throttle, Vale was more what you'd expect feeding it steadily till just after the apex.

Was definately a huge difference in throttle application between the 2, Casey so obviously relying more on his TC than Vale.

Stoner turns down the traction control as much as possible and rides sideways as much as possible on the Dushitty and the honda he does more slides than most I think he has great control and would do well without it

[denill]

Stoner turns down the traction control as much as possible and rides sideways as much as possible on the Dushitty and the honda he does more slides than most I think he has great control and would do well without it

It seems to me that Stoner's penchant for drifting thru the turns was the reason for extracting the results he achieved on the Red bike. Results no one else has come close to on the pig.

[roogazza]

It seems to me that Stoner's penchant for drifting thru the turns was the reason for extracting the results he achieved on the Red bike. Results no one else has come close to on the pig.
He sure is good at what he does Bill. At Laguna he seemed to be more patient and looked after his tyres. I don't recall him doing that before ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

That would be interesting, has Casey ever ridden a GP without TC. I remember a few years ago they had Vale following Casey at PI and had the throttle break graphics showing, Casey just hit the apex and was 100% throttle, Vale was more what you'd expect feeding it steadily till just after the apex.

Was definately a huge difference in throttle application between the 2, Casey so obviously relying more on his TC than Vale.

Try a 250 GP bike. Stoner is also a multiple time Australian dirt track champion. One of the many reasons he has such fantastic throttle control. If you look back at interviews when Stoner was Haydens team mate, Hayden always said Stoner's throttle control was incredible when their data was compared. It was actually Hayden that was just cracking it open, not Stoner. Stoner is also one of the more vocal guys speaking out against TC.

[denill]

He sure is good at what he does Bill. At Laguna he seemed to be more patient and looked after his tyres. I don't recall him doing that before ?

Yeah Gaz, he's matured a lot since the LCR days

[denill]

Try a 250 GP bike. Stoner is also a multiple time Australian dirt track champion. One of the many reasons he has such fantastic throttle control. If you look back at interviews when Stoner was Haydens team mate, Hayden always said Stoner's throttle control was incredible when their data was compared. It was actually Hayden that was just cracking it open, not Stoner. Stoner is also one of the more vocal guys speaking out against TC.

Yeah, all that leaves me convinced he steered the Ducati with the throttle. Others have not been able to do that.

[Devil]

Try a 250 GP bike. Stoner is also a multiple time Australian dirt track champion. One of the many reasons he has such fantastic throttle control. If you look back at interviews when Stoner was Haydens team mate, Hayden always said Stoner's throttle control was incredible when their data was compared. It was actually Hayden that was just cracking it open, not Stoner. Stoner is also one of the more vocal guys speaking out against TC.

When Stoner was passing me at Mugello through Poggio Secco and Materassi you could hear the TC coming in regularly. Simoncelli as well. Bike sounds like it's shitting itself.

[Crasherfromwayback]

When Stoner was passing me at Mugello through Poggio Secco and Materassi you could hear the TC coming in regularly. Simoncelli as well. Bike sounds like it's shitting itself.

Yep...sounds like shite.

[yod]

When Stoner was passing me at Mugello through Poggio Secco and Materassi you could hear the TC coming in regularly. Simoncelli as well. Bike sounds like it's shitting itself.

were you on the LCR or the Suzuki?

[RobGassit]

When Stoner was passing me at Mugello through Poggio Secco and Materassi you could hear the TC coming in regularly. Simoncelli as well. Bike sounds like it's shitting itself.

Not nearly as bad as the Kawasaki's. They screeched like they were a heartbeat away from self destruction.

[Devil]

Not nearly as bad as the Kawasaki's. They screeched like they were a heartbeat away from self destruction.

Sounds pretty neat on full song though. Heh the yamaha's however, doesn't matter what rev's they're at it just seems to come out as "RAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!"
Luverly at idle and low revs though hehe.

[RobGassit]

Sounds pretty neat on full song though. Heh the yamaha's however, doesn't matter what rev's they're at it just seems to come out as "RAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!"
Luverly at idle and low revs though hehe.

That's true. And those Yamaha's sound like Ducati's. Don't go like them though thank god.

[DidJit]

Question: would it be possible to manufacture a couple of carbon fibre 'spars' from the Ducati's airbox?

Reason I ask is that it seems to me (and I am by no means an engineer or particularly mechanically minded so, please, put me right if I'm talking bollocks) that the problem is not so much the carbon fibre airbox... it's that the area of carbon fibre is too small.

It's kind of like with those plastic school rulers — easy to bend and flex when they're 30cm long, but a bit more difficult to do that once you've snapped them a couple of times and they're only 5–10cm long. At least, that's what I imagine is happening with the Duc anyway.

Have Ducati been too clever and made this fantastic piece of engineering that only requires a (relatively) small airbox to link together the front forks and the engine and, in doing so, taken away the bike's front end feel? ("Obviously," I hear you say. There has been much talk from riders and armchair experts alike about the lamented front end feel.)

So, would the solution then be (if Ducati are determined to persist with the carbon fibre chassis) to graft a couple of spars on to the airbox to make more of a traditional frame which will provide flex? Will the carbon fibre flex at those sort of lengths? Will the carbon fibre be strong enough at those sort of lengths?

I'm definitely no expert, I'm only theorizing here. What do you think (other than ditch the carbon fibre and use an M1 chassis)? Anybody familiar with using carbon fibre structurally?

[Shaun]

Question: would it be possible to manufacture a couple of carbon fibre 'spars' from the Ducati's airbox?

Reason I ask is that it seems to me (and I am by no means an engineer or particularly mechanically minded so, please, put me right if I'm talking bollocks) that the problem is not so much the carbon fibre airbox... it's that the area of carbon fibre is too small.

It's kind of like with those plastic school rulers — easy to bend and flex when they're 30cm long, but a bit more difficult to do that once you've snapped them a couple of times and they're only 5–10cm long. At least, that's what I imagine is happening with the Duc anyway.

Have Ducati been too clever and made this fantastic piece of engineering that only requires a (relatively) small airbox to link together the front forks and the engine and, in doing so, taken away the bike's front end feel? ("Obviously," I hear you say. There has been much talk from riders and armchair experts alike about the lamented front end feel.)

So, would the solution then be (if Ducati are determined to persist with the carbon fibre chassis) to graft a couple of spars on to the airbox to make more of a traditional frame which will provide flex? Will the carbon fibre flex at those sort of lengths? Will the carbon fibre be strong enough at those sort of lengths?

I'm definitely no expert, I'm only theorizing here. What do you think (other than ditch the carbon fibre and use an M1 chassis)? Anybody familiar with using carbon fibre structurally?



Im NO expert either mate, but what you are suggesting here WOULD have an effect, whether good enough only trial and testing can awnser, BUT YES< Ducati has been to cleaver for there own good and should just build a conventunall frame and go and chase race wins again

[gixerracer]

Traction control TOTAL bollocks, safety my arse, safety for the riders that cannot control the trigger they are pulling maybe, but that is it. Ban it and lets watch whem crash, in the 2 stroke days it did NOT exist, and they were propper women to ride, not like these stroke it and survive suckers, no technique, no control, no JOY, just pull the trigger



Stoner fits your choice man

Come in MR SHIRRIFS

I need traction control as I dont have the talent my right hand thinks I have<_<

[Shaun]

I need traction control as I dont have the talent my right hand thinks I have<_<

Nah mate, it is the PULLING action of your hand that is the problem

[gixerracer]

Nah mate, it is the PULLING action of your hand that is the problem

W a n k e r

[jellywrestler]

W a n k e r

it's politacally incorrect to call someone a wanker, they're officially known as an 'owner operator'

[Crasherfromwayback]

it's politacally incorrect to call someone a wanker, they're officially known as an 'owner operator'

Thought that was owner abuse?

[wharfy]

Thought that was owner abuse?

I think "self abuse" is the term your groping for (pun intended) :)

although I don't see how applying oil to something and polishing it lovingly can be termed abuse - it is just more fun if someone else does it for you :)

[Kiwi Graham]

I think "self abuse" is the term your groping for (pun intended) :)

although I don't see how applying oil to something and polishing it lovingly can be termed abuse - it is just more fun if someone else does it for you :)

Why contract the work out if you can achieve similar results yourself :sweatdrop

[wharfy]

Why contract the work out if you can achieve similar results yourself :sweatdrop

I usually try to avoid "contracting out" that job - I prefer a "contra deal"

[Mental Trousers]

Why contract the work out if you can achieve similar results yourself :sweatdrop

Remove a couple of ribs and you could be total self sufficient