Mugello — il Gran Premio d'Italia!

[DidJit]

Pedrosa's confirmed he'll be there; Simoncelli will still be there; Mugello has a long straight... Honda (i.e. Stoner, SuperSic, Dani & Dovi in any order) all the way?

Or will The Doctor get frustrated, kick the Duc's ass and wring its neck, and find some form?

Or will Lorenzo and Spies upset proceedings and insert themselves in the top order somewhere?

[yod]

qualifying = Honda, Honda, Honda, Honda


race = who knows? Sic will either bin it or win it

[Crasherfromwayback]

Honda's all the way. But if I was Stoner...I'd simply let Simo fuck off and either win it or bin it. No need whatsoever to get tangled up with him.

[yod]

Honda's all the way. But if I was Stoner...I'd simply let Simo fuck off and either win it or bin it. No need whatsoever to get tangled up with him.

lol...we'll see how wide a berth Pedrosa gives him!

[White trash]

Spies on the podium.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Spies on the podium.

Not. Honda's 1-2-3 this weekend. Spies to win (THIS year) at Laguna Seca.

[White trash]

Not. Honda's 1-2-3 this weekend. Spies to win (THIS year) at Laguna Seca.

Wrong. There will be at least two Hondas crashing out.

Spies on the Podium.

(And the win at Laguna)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Penis believer!

[Crash 42]

Spies did not place as well in Mugello as he did in other places last year, like silverstone for example (3rd), or Assen (4th last year) - wheras last year he was 7th in Mugello, I expect top 5 for him, but not a certain podium. Lorenzo is bloody fast at Mugello, and we saw stoner take the win in 2009 here.. Pedrosa would have been the man to beat at this track but he is in no condition to win, thats even if he comes back for Mugello... Dovi has had a few podiums here in recent years so i wouldn't count him out

Way I see it you are looking at Simocelli, Dovisioso, Stoner and Lorenzo battling it out here.

But as always, don't count Rossi out, you never know what he might pull out of the Ducati bag..

[Z1_ZPF_BOY]

My predictions for Mugello....

1 - Stoner
2 - Pedrosa/Simocelli (if he stays on the bike)
3 - Rossi
4 - Lorenzo
5 - Spies
6 - Dovizioso
7 - Crutchlow
8 - Hayden
9 - Aoyama
10 - Edwards


I wonder how many i will get right? lol

[DidJit]

I'd like to see Randy de Puniet stay on the bike this race...

[Crash 42]

I'd like to see Randy de Puniet stay on the bike this race...

Been a shocking season for him, you wonder whether it was the right move for him to get on a Duke

[Crasherfromwayback]

Been a shocking season for him, you wonder whether it was the right move for him to get on a Duke

Getting on a Ducati has been the end of many a good racer!

[Wingnut]

Getting on a Ducati has been the end of many a good racer!

And the making of only one........

[RobGassit]

So Spies has his first GP win right? And there he is on the podium looking like he's in the queue at McDonalds for a Fillet of Fish. Now don't get me wrong, I'm a fan. Coz he's all business. But was he holdin it in or was he dissappointed because he saw it as an easy win, because of Semenjelly and Whawhey crashing out, or what? Wind? Needed a slash? I would have been spinning on my bleeedin head. Spies? Nothin but a little grin that suggested he was having unclean thoughts about an umbrella girl. WTF?

[merv]

Nothing wrong with modesty :yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Simo

Stoner

Dovi

Lorenzo

Pedro

Spies

[discodan]

So Spies has his first GP win right? And there he is on the podium looking like he's in the queue at McDonalds for a Fillet of Fish. Now don't get me wrong, I'm a fan. Coz he's all business. But was he holdin it in or was he dissappointed because he saw it as an easy win, because of Semenjelly and Whawhey crashing out, or what? Wind? Needed a slash? I would have been spinning on my bleeedin head. Spies? Nothin but a little grin that suggested he was having unclean thoughts about an umbrella girl. WTF?

Stoner was poking fun at him in the post race press conference after he said that the adrenalin was still pumping and Spies just sat there and took it.

A couple of strange guys right there - maybe the term alien is more to do with the fact that no one sits next to them in the hospitality tent rather than anything to do with riding ability.

[Crasherfromwayback]

A couple of strange guys right there - maybe the term alien is more to do with the fact that no one sits next to them in the hospitality tent rather than anything to do with riding ability.

In life there are mainly two types of people. Those that crave attention, and those that would rather not have it. Rossi and Lorenzo would die without it, Stoner and Spies would suffocate with too much of it.

[Shaun]

In life there are mainly two types of people. Those that crave attention, and those that would rather not have it. Rossi and Lorenzo would die without it, Stoner and Spies would suffocate with too much of it.



hardly apples V apples man, Italians/spanish V Yanks and Aussie is like trying to compare Us Kiwi's with the French

[Shaun]

Stoner was poking fun at him in the post race press conference after he said that the adrenalin was still pumping and Spies just sat there and took it.

A couple of strange guys right there - maybe the term alien is more to do with the fact that no one sits next to them in the hospitality tent rather than anything to do with riding ability.


Spies learned to deal with Mind games through Matt Maladin, Matt taught this man well, mentally and as a competitor

[Crasherfromwayback]

hardly apples V apples man, Italians/spanish V Yanks and Aussie is like trying to compare Us Kiwi's with the French

Sorry mate, but there are millions of over the top Yanks and Aussies in the world!

[Cleve]

Greetings fellow KB'ers from Italy. I will be at the Mugello GP all weekend.
CANNOT wait for it all to start. Am in Milan now on business but this afternoon pick up my Fiat rental car and drive down the road to Tuscanny. Yeeeehaaaa....

[rachprice]

So Spies has his first GP win right? And there he is on the podium looking like he's in the queue at McDonalds for a Fillet of Fish. Now don't get me wrong, I'm a fan. Coz he's all business. But was he holdin it in or was he dissappointed because he saw it as an easy win, because of Semenjelly and Whawhey crashing out, or what? Wind? Needed a slash? I would have been spinning on my bleeedin head. Spies? Nothin but a little grin that suggested he was having unclean thoughts about an umbrella girl. WTF?

Eh he will probably celebrate like a champ in private
I wouldn't want to go apeshit over the top celebratory for my first win I would wait till I had a few under my belt to settle into it!


Greetings fellow KB'ers from Italy. I will be at the Mugello GP all weekend CANNOT wait for it all to start. Am in Milan now on business but this afternoon pick up my Fiat rental car and drive down the road to Tuscanny. Yeeeehaaaa....


You bastard!!!


Have fun!!!!!

[RobGassit]

Greetings fellow KB'ers from Italy. I will be at the Mugello GP all weekend.
CANNOT wait for it all to start. Am in Milan now on business but this afternoon pick up my Fiat rental car and drive down the road to Tuscanny. Yeeeehaaaa....

Keep us informed you lucky bugger. Pics of local talent wouldn't go amiss.

[pritch]

I will be at the Mugello GP all weekend.


I hope you are planning on recounting the experience hereabout? Please.

[Shaun]

Greetings fellow KB'ers from Italy. I will be at the Mugello GP all weekend.
CANNOT wait for it all to start. Am in Milan now on business but this afternoon pick up my Fiat rental car and drive down the road to Tuscanny. Yeeeehaaaa....

Lying barsteward, I want to see the fish net stockings and all the goods from the local cafe, low down shots are great thanks

[Cleve]

Lying barsteward, I want to see the fish net stockings and all the goods from the local cafe, low down shots are great thanks

Greetings from a Tuscan Village where I sit drinking a glass of local red wine... the area is lovely and I can't wait to get to the track tomorrow for the Friday practice sessions. More to come...

[DidJit]

Greetings from a Tuscan Village where I sit drinking a glass of local red wine... the area is lovely and I can't wait to get to the track tomorrow for the Friday practice sessions. More to come...

Enjoy! :2thumbsup :sunny: :drinknsin

Meanwhile, in the paddock, the hot weather has begun to affect temperaments (http://superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jun/110630rydernotes.htm)...

[White trash]

Enjoy! :2thumbsup :sunny: :drinknsin

Meanwhile, in the paddock, the hot weather has begun to affect temperaments (http://superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jun/110630rydernotes.htm)...

Lol, fucken awesome. Ol' Super Sic has done more to make the sport interesting in the past few weeks than Rossi has in years.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lol, fucken awesome. Ol' Super Sic has done more to make the sport interesting in the past few weeks than Rossi has in years.

I agree 100%. I hope he goes mental and doesn't slow up.

[Shaun]

Greetings from a Tuscan Village where I sit drinking a glass of local red wine... the area is lovely and I can't wait to get to the track tomorrow for the Friday practice sessions. More to come...



I SHAT in that village years ago when I was managing a 250cc GP team, look out for it Cleve:woohoo:

[Shaun]

I agree 100%. I hope he goes mental and doesn't slow up.


Me too, all the other pussies just need to ride faster or get out of his way when he is coming or binning it from trying so DAM HARD, bloody good on him

[Crasherfromwayback]

Me too, all the other pussies just need to ride faster or get out of his way when he is coming or binning it from trying so DAM HARD, bloody good on him

Like what Spies did at Assen (piss off), or yeah...steer clear.

Reminds me of the old warning on fireworks. Light touch paper and stand well clear!!

[Shaun]

Like what Spies did at Assen (piss off), or yeah...steer clear.

Reminds me of the old warning on fireworks. Light touch paper and stand well clear!!

Haha Yea you onto it, I reckon he is trying his own style of mind games for now, the idea being to make all as scared as fuk as possible of being anywhere near him on the track haha GOOD PLAN

[jellywrestler]

Reminds me of the old warning on fireworks. Light touch paper and stand well clear!!

You soft-cock.
I thought nobody read the warnings on fireworks!

[Crasherfromwayback]

You soft-cock.
I thought nobody read the warnings on fireworks!

Doesn't mean I followed the instructions!

[yod]

Greetings fellow KB'ers from Italy. I will be at the Mugello GP all weekend.
CANNOT wait for it all to start. Am in Milan now on business but this afternoon pick up my Fiat rental car and drive down the road to Tuscanny. Yeeeehaaaa....

Yeah, see, I didn't need to hear that. :motu:

:lol: j/k
Enjoy, should be mint!

[rachprice]

So Spies has his first GP win right? And there he is on the podium looking like he's in the queue at McDonalds for a Fillet of Fish. Now don't get me wrong, I'm a fan. Coz he's all business. But was he holdin it in or was he dissappointed because he saw it as an easy win, because of Semenjelly and Whawhey crashing out, or what? Wind? Needed a slash? I would have been spinning on my bleeedin head. Spies? Nothin but a little grin that suggested he was having unclean thoughts about an umbrella girl. WTF?

And check this!

http://superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jun/110629-11-elbow-asse.htm

[RobGassit]

And check this!

http://superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jun/110629-11-elbow-asse.htm

Very insightful. Shows he is just a normal bloke grafting hard at what he loves. Big respect.

[Brian d marge]

Simo and dani are at it ...the press conference was funny

Rossi is 1.3 off the pace and the surface is worrying people

Enfield are slightly off the pace

Stephen

[Cleve]

A hot morning and thunderstorms in the afternoon. It was only a Friday but already big crowds and amazing atmosphere. If you haven't done Europe GP - do ONE at some stage in your life. It is another world...
Am exhausted after walking around Mugello circuit. What a place! In the Tuscan mountains. The valley just echoes with the sound of the 800's on full noise!
Simoncelli fastest - what a man. Jorge and Pedrosa not so popular in this part of the world.
ps the local red is still fucken' awesome.
pps tomorrow have to try and find Matt- Devil who is also here!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi is 1.3 off the pace and the surface is worrying people



Whatchu talkin 'bout Willis. They're all LOVING the new surface!

[DidJit]

Whatchu talkin 'bout Willis. They're all LOVING the new surface!

I think that was in reference to the weather during FP2. (http://motomatters.com/results/2011/07/01/2011_mugello_motogp_fp2_result_dovizioso.html)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Must be! Wish the rain would fuck off. What do you reckon the chances are of Rossi and Ducati falling out of love before too long?

[DidJit]

Everybody wants to see VR be competitive again. There's some talk here (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/07/01/2011_mugello_motogp_thursday_round_up_it.html) and here (http://superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jul/110701rydernotes.htm). But, yeah, I reckon there'll be some toys thrown from various corners before the season's through (if not already).

Edit: How auspicious — post #46. :D

[pritch]

Everybody wants to see VR be competitive again. There's some talk here (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/07/01/2011_mugello_motogp_thursday_round_up_it.html)


I liked this:
"Nobody believes Rossi has lost his edge - many paddock insiders, including myself, believe that the Italian is capable of riding better than he ever has,"

Nobody, that is, who has both eyes open. There seem to be a few with just the one eye squinting myopically through a green and yellow tinted lens.

It's a shame, they're missing a great story.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nobody, that is, who has both eyes open. There seem to be a few with just the one eye squinting myopically through a green and yellow tinted lens.

.

I find it really interesting to see how Jeremy Burgess has changed his tune so quickly.

[yod]

0.1 between the top 3 in FP1 in the dry....juicy!

HondaHondaHonda (of course)

[BMWST?]

FP1
1 58 Marco SIMONCELLI ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 327.7 1'48.987
2 27 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda 326.9 1'49.027 0.040 / 0.040
3 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Repsol Honda Team Honda 330.8 1'49.088 0.101 / 0.061
4 1 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 325.1 1'49.251 0.264 / 0.163
5 11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 324.0 1'49.364 0.377 / 0.113
6 5 Colin EDWARDS USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 322.1 1'49.810 0.823 / 0.446
7 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 324.2 1'50.104 1.117 / 0.294
8 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Team Ducati 325.2 1'50.203 1.216 / 0.099
9 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 324.4 1'50.629 1.642 / 0.426
10 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 325.2 1'50.658 1.671 / 0.029
11 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 320.6 1'50.683 1.696 / 0.025
12 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Pramac Racing Team Ducati 321.6 1'50.729 1.742 / 0.046
13 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 324.2 1'50.780 1.793 / 0.051
14 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Mapfre Aspar Team MotoGP Ducati 327.8 1'51.153 2.166 / 0.373
15 24 Toni ELIAS SPA LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 325.5 1'51.868 2.881 / 0.715
16 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati 322.9 1'51.876 2.889 / 0.008

FP2

1 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Repsol Honda Team Honda 326.4 1'49.272
2 24 Toni ELIAS SPA LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 322.7 1'51.937 2.665 / 2.665
3 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 323.2 1'52.550 3.278 / 0.613
4 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 320.6 1'54.497 5.225 / 1.947
5 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Pramac Racing Team Ducati 318.9 1'55.279 6.007 / 0.782
17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati 313.0 1'58.334 9.062 / 3.055
8 Hector BARBERA SPA Mapfre Aspar Team MotoGP Ducati 321.2 1'58.748 9.476 / 0.414
35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 315.8 1'59.812 10.540 / 1.064
69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Team Ducati 307.2 2'06.386 17.114 / 6.574
7 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 298.3 2'09.337 20.065 / 2.951
5 Colin EDWARDS USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 303.8 2'10.026 20.754 / 0.689
11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 110.5 2'26.938 37.666 / 16.912
1 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha
26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda
27 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda
58 Marco SIMONCELLI ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda

[White trash]

0.1 between the top 3 in FP1 in the dry....juicy!

HondaHondaHonda (of course)

More interesting (for me) is the fact that Spies is so close to George in the first practice, straight off the trailer.

[DidJit]

More interesting (for me) is the fact that Spies is so close to George in the first practice, straight off the trailer.

... and Colin Edwards not too far behind him.

[yod]

More interesting (for me) is the fact that Spies is so close to George in the first practice, straight off the trailer.

bit of confidence from the last round maybe

to be fair the Yammys are fuck all off the pace considering they've only done FP2 so far

Stoner
Spies
Lorenzo
Dovi

Simo to bin it again and this time take out his mate Vale :rofl: how fuckin funny would THAT make the next week in the media

[denill]

Greetings fellow KB'ers from Italy. I will be at the Mugello GP all weekend.
CANNOT wait for it all to start. Am in Milan now on business but this afternoon pick up my Fiat rental car and drive down the road to Tuscanny. Yeeeehaaaa....

Hey Cleve, have you seen Gaz yet?

[Movistar]

I liked this:
"Nobody believes Rossi has lost his edge - many paddock insiders, including myself, believe that the Italian is capable of riding better than he ever has,"

Nobody, that is, who has both eyes open. There seem to be a few with just the one eye squinting myopically through a green and yellow tinted lens.
It's a shame, they're missing a great story.

It seems Rossi will have his 'eye' on everyone this weekend http://photos.motogp.com/2011/07/02/rossihelmet_original.jpg


I find it really interesting to see how Jeremy Burgess has changed his tune so quickly.

It's a pity JB won't be there this weekend, being it's the first time the new team have been at Mugello racing. Still, I'm sure he would rather be at home at the moment given the circumstances...

[puddytat]

Wicked prang between Wilarot & Pons.....:shit:

[BMWST?]

1 1 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 321.1 1'48.080
2 58 Marco SIMONCELLI ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 320.3 1'48.411 0.331 / 0.331
3 27 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda 324.5 1'48.734 0.654 / 0.323
4 11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 320.5 1'49.072 0.992 / 0.338
5 5 Colin EDWARDS USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 318.0 1'49.078 0.998 / 0.006
6 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Repsol Honda Team Honda 324.0 1'49.132 1.052 / 0.054
7 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Team Ducati 323.5 1'49.756 1.676 / 0.624
8 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 319.5 1'49.889 1.809 / 0.133
9 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Pramac Racing Team Ducati 317.3 1'49.985 1.905 / 0.096
10 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 323.4 1'49.994 1.914 / 0.009
11 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 320.2 1'50.002 1.922 / 0.008
12 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 318.2 1'50.296 2.216 / 0.294
13 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 322.5 1'50.440 2.360 / 0.144
14 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati 320.5 1'50.859 2.779 / 0.419
15 24 Toni ELIAS SPA LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 323.0 1'51.043 2.963 / 0.184
16 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Mapfre Aspar Team MotoGP Ducati 323.4 1'51.145 3.065 / 0.102

Weather Conditions:
| Track Condition: Dry| Air: 22º| Humidity: 38%| Ground: 31º

[Crasherfromwayback]

Good stuff! Great to see Lorenzo back up where he belongs!

[discotex]

Hefty gaps to the Hondas. I wonder if Yamaha have finally pulled the pin and let Lorenzo run the M1 at full power. Or is he just hungrier?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hefty gaps to the Hondas. I wonder if Yamaha have finally pulled the pin and let Lorenzo run the M1 at full power. Or is he just hungrier?

Regardless...I'm stoked to see him and Yamaha back there where they belong. This could be the race of the season so far if the rain stays away.

[discotex]

Regardless...I'm stoked to see him and Yamaha back there where they belong. This could be the race of the season so far if the rain stays away.

+1

How much is the TAB paying if Simo actually completes the race? :corn:

[merv]

Regardless...I'm stoked to see him and Yamaha back there where they belong. This could be the race of the season so far if the rain stays away.

Sssshhhhhhh - don't let your boyfriend Casey hear you talking like that :shutup:

[DidJit]

Casey smashed the lap record (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jul/02/italian-motogp-casey-stoner), Spies spoiled the Honda qualifying (http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2011/ITA/MotoGP/QP) party, and Vale's none too happy (http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201107024207/Vale-Soliti-problemi-allanteriore.html)...

Edit: Julian Ryder (http://superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jul/110702estoril2.htm) is on form. :lol:

[RobGassit]

Can anyone explain to me why a young Australian was able to deliver wins and a Championship with the Ducati but the Italian goat can't get on the front row? He has changed everything but the chassis and the heated handlebar grips but still struggling. If Hayden beats him at Mugello I think he should think about retirement. If a customer Ducati beats him he should hang himself in his trailer. No offence people,,I'm just sayin!!:innocent:

[merv]

Isn't the problem that Ducati changed the chassis drastically after Casey's championship win?

[macka77]

Who will Sic take out this weekend?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Isn't the problem that Ducati changed the chassis drastically after Casey's championship win?

Think it was only last year they went to the carbon frame Merv.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sssshhhhhhh - don't let your boyfriend Casey hear you talking like that :shutup:

I've got many boyfriends in Moto GP Merv! I'm only too happy to give credit where it's due...doesn't matter who!

[Shaun]

Credit were it is due? Ducati built a crap carbon frame ( Bad problems ala Britten motorcycle) onda yam improved bikes a lot, freser riders are prepared to ride fast and biff, rossi know,s it takes time


My lap top is FUKD

[RobGassit]

Credit were it is due? Ducati built a crap carbon frame ( Bad problems ala Britten motorcycle) onda yam improved bikes a lot, freser riders are prepared to ride fast and biff, rossi know,s it takes time


My lap top is FUKD

Stop typing with your feet.

[Shaun]

Stop typing with your feet.


maybe dat is wot f;d it, must sell some tin to buy a new 1, wow, kids txt type style:facepalm:

[pritch]

Can anyone explain to me why a young Australian was able to deliver wins and a Championship with the Ducati but the Italian goat can't get on the front row? He has changed everything but the chassis and the heated handlebar grips but still struggling.<snip>

This has all been discussed at length. Sometimes even by people who presumably know that of which they speak?

There are some authoritative sources around and these are quite often referred to hereabout, including in this thread.

My favourite is http://www.motomatters.com/

A newer site is http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/
Well, the English version is new...

There are others, and some of the riders (and at least one mechanic) have facebook or twitter pages but these do tend to be somewhat sanitised(?).

To answer part of your question; the bike Stoner won his title on was completely different bike and was able to be ridden successfully by other people, notably Capirossi and Bayliss. In recent years the Ducati has pretty much been a career killer for everybody except Stoner.

Rossi, Burgess, etc are trying to make the bike more rideable, the more problems they encounter, the more apparent it becomes what a great job Stoner was doing.

Rossi desperately needs track time to develop the new bike but the shite weather of recent weeks culminating in last nights qualifying farce isn't helping. Neither is the fact that Ducati are running into trouble with their engine allocation numbers and may have to start some races from pit lane before the season is over.

We await developments with interest.

[BMWST?]

They were all out there running laps,seems Casey got the timing of his run just right.It was alternating tween dovi,lorenzo,simo and stoner,with crutchlow, spies having a turn at the top.It started to rain with about 20 minutes to go so they all went in.Rossi and Hayden came out on the end on wets to keep the fans happy,then a few of the other guys came out on wets too.

1 27 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda 322.3 1'48.034
2 11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 319.2 1'48.479 0.445 / 0.445
3 58 Marco SIMONCELLI ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 321.0 1'48.485 0.451 / 0.006
4 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Repsol Honda Team Honda 324.8 1'48.694 0.660 / 0.209
5 1 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 323.1 1'48.756 0.722 / 0.062
6 5 Colin EDWARDS USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 314.9 1'48.974 0.940 / 0.218
7 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 318.9 1'49.021 0.987 / 0.047
8 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 317.9 1'49.398 1.364 / 0.377
9 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Team Ducati 320.5 1'49.509 1.475 / 0.111
10 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Mapfre Aspar Team MotoGP Ducati 327.2 1'49.663 1.629 / 0.154
11 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati 323.8 1'49.678 1.644 / 0.015
12 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 320.7 1'49.902 1.868 / 0.224
13 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 322.7 1'50.156 2.122 / 0.254
14 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 322.1 1'50.460 2.426 / 0.304
15 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Pramac Racing Team Ducati 320.0 1'50.651 2.617 / 0.191
16 24 Toni ELIAS SPA LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 324.2 1'50.742 2.708 / 0.091
Weather Conditions:
| Track Condition: Wet| Air: 21º| Humidity: 44%| Ground: 28º

[BMWST?]

This has all been discussed at length. Sometimes even by people who presumably know that of which they speak?

There are some authoritative sources around and these are quite often referred to hereabout, including in this thread.

My favourite is http://www.motomatters.com/

A newer site is http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/
Well, the English version is new...

There are others, and some of the riders (and at least one mechanic) have facebook or twitter pages but these do tend to be somewhat sanitised(?).

To answer part of your question; the bike Stoner won his title on was completely different bike and was able to be ridden successfully by other people, notably Capirossi and Bayliss. In recent years the Ducati has pretty much been a career killer for everybody except Stoner.

Rossi, Burgess, etc are trying to make the bike more rideable, the more problems they encounter, the more apparent it becomes what a great job Stoner was doing.

Rossi desperately needs track time to develop the new bike but the shite weather of recent weeks culminating in last nights qualifying farce isn't helping. Neither is the fact that Ducati are running into trouble with their engine allocation numbers and may have to start some races from pit lane before the season is over.

We await developments with interest.

the lack of practise time is really hurting them.Apart from a few flashes in the pan i dont think we will see much of Mr Rossi this year.This is for two reasons.As well as the problems with the bike(s) I think he is marginally slower and there are some genuinely faster(or as fast)younger guys(and bikes)

[James Deuce]

Jorge is screwed. I was wondering how long it would take Spies to do the same thing to Lorenzo he did to Mladin.

[RobGassit]

Jorge is screwed. I was wondering how long it would take Spies to do the same thing to Lorenzo he did to Mladin.

At the risk of sounding stupid,,again,, any chance you could elaborate?

[James Deuce]

At the risk of sounding stupid,,again,, any chance you could elaborate?

Out-qualify, out-race, finish better. Repeatedly.

[Matt Bleck]

:laugh:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/video/170836/1/pedrosa_snubs_simoncelli_handshake.html

[Crasherfromwayback]

Out-qualify, out-race, finish better. Repeatedly.

Except Mladin was still winning as many if not more races than Spies was when they were team mates.

[pritch]

Alex Briggs' most recent tweet :

"12th place on the grid. It's not easy, it's not fun…….& it's not over!"

Here's hoping the sun shines.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Alex Briggs' most recent tweet :

"12th place on the grid. It's not easy, it's not fun…….& it's not over!"



They seem to be going backwards.

[Ronin]

They seem to be going backwards.

You are such a bastard you know. Thanks to you I signed up for a weekend pass on the motogp site so thats me screwed for tonight lol.

Answers the question of if to get sky or not... Not. I can't see the coverage being any better than the net.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You are such a bastard you know. Thanks to you I signed up for a weekend pass on the motogp site so thats me screwed for tonight lol.

Answers the question of if to get sky or not... Not. I can't see the coverage being any better than the net.

Hahahaha...sorry Old Bean! But yeah...MotoGP.com is awesome I reckon. REALLY looking forward to tonights race. I think old Spiderman may just win it...

[Ronin]

Hahahaha...sorry Old Bean! But yeah...MotoGP.com is awesome I reckon. REALLY looking forward to tonights race. I think old Spiderman may just win it...

Yeah he was looking pretty quick and the bike was a lot more stable than some of the others.

Will have coverage on the 24" and timing on the lappy.

[denill]

Can anyone explain to me why a young Australian was able to deliver wins and a Championship with the Ducati but the Italian goat can't get on the front row? He has changed everything but the chassis and the heated handlebar grips but still struggling. If Hayden beats him at Mugello I think he should think about retirement. If a customer Ducati beats him he should hang himself in his trailer. No offence people,,I'm just sayin!!:innocent:

Quite simply - I reckon you're spot on. It's Bizarre.................. And it's cost Ducati money and prestige..................

[k14]

Hahahaha...sorry Old Bean! But yeah...MotoGP.com is awesome I reckon. REALLY looking forward to tonights race. I think old Spiderman may just win it...
Dovi is looking pretty fast this weekend too, and then don't forget that guy with all the hair! He will make a headline one way or another.

[Crasherfromwayback]

, and then don't forget that guy with all the hair! He will make a headline one way or another.

That's the guy I was referring to mate!

[k14]

That's the guy I was referring to mate!
Oh lol, all this code talk. I thought you were talking about spies :woohoo:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh lol, all this code talk. I thought you were talking about spies :woohoo:

Hahaha...nah. He's 'Elbows' innit he? I just think Simo looks like Spiderman crawling all over his bike is all!!

[Brian d marge]

Quite simply - I reckon you're spot on. It's Bizarre.................. And it's cost Ducati money and prestige..................

Ive said it in the other thread.. that Ducati wont turn in and carry corner speed for a reason ,,, point and squirt is a different case

Stephen

[DidJit]

Not a bad race. There was even some passing! :woohoo:

[Shaun]

Ive said it in the other thread.. that Ducati wont turn in and carry corner speed for a reason ,,, point and squirt is a different case

Stephen


Personally I think it is in the stearing head having NO flex which gives NO feel maybe>?

[slowpoke]

The forgotten are remembered.


Jorge and Dovi have been all but written off this season but they both showed their class last night. I'm no Jorge fan but that was a champions response, just when it looked like Stoner was gonna run away with it. Respect. Great effort from Dovi too, hardly made a mistake and gathered it up beautifully during his move on Stoner.

But the star of the show was Mugello itself, I reckon. What a fuckin' track!

[Ronin]

The forgotten are remembered.


Jorge and Dovi have been all but written off this season but they both showed their class last night. I'm no Jorge fan but that was a champions response, just when it looked like Stoner was gonna run away with it. Respect. Great effort from Dovi too, hardly made a mistake and gathered it up beautifully during his move on Stoner.

But the star of the show was Mugello itself, I reckon. What a fuckin' track!

The other start was the moto2 race. What a cracker.

[NZsarge]

The forgotten are remembered.


Jorge and Dovi have been all but written off this season but they both showed their class last night. I'm no Jorge fan but that was a champions response, just when it looked like Stoner was gonna run away with it. Respect. Great effort from Dovi too, hardly made a mistake and gathered it up beautifully during his move on Stoner.

But the star of the show was Mugello itself, I reckon. What a fuckin' track!

Fully agreed with that statement.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The forgotten are remembered.



But the star of the show was Mugello itself, I reckon. What a fuckin' track!

I've said it before...there's a very good reason why he has a number 1 on his bike.

And fuck yeah...who wouldn't love to be at Mugello for a GP!!?? The scenery, the chicks...the wine and food...and some racing too!!

[eelracing]

Not a bad race. There was even some passing! :woohoo:

It was an excellent race,as per Slowpokes comment Lorenzo's chase was inspired and a joy to watch.Stoner can blame his tyres all he want's but it was Jorge's pressure that caused it.


The other start was the moto2 race. What a cracker.

It's a bitter pill to swallow...but I have to agree.

[Brian d marge]

Personally I think it is in the steering head having NO flex which gives NO feel maybe>?Yes
its a big part of the problem I think as well..and a tricky one to fix ...

Stephen

[RobGassit]

Yes
its a big part of the problem I think as well..and a tricky one to fix ...

Stephen

If Hyosung can organise a bit of frame flex surely Ducati can!:facepalm: Maybe if they added alot of weight?

[Shaun]

Yes
its a big part of the problem I think as well..and a tricky one to fix ...

Stephen


swollow pride and get out the metal will help I think. The Britten was TERRIBLE in the front end due to Carbon girder forks things giving NONE or to much flex depending on what was altered, people did ride the Britten well, but most of that came from ( J Mcewan BRUTE FORCE) the Grunt it had, NOT Handling. It did improve radically with a different swing arm height pivot point, but the front lack of feel and patter through turns still stayed with it

[pritch]

Stoner can blame his tyres all he want's but it was Jorge's pressure that caused it.


Apparently the Bridgestone tech put the wrong pressure in the tyres. Made the back wheel spin up and the front wouldn't heat up properly.

After the race Stoner was even more unhappy than usual, & he probably has a different tyre tech now.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Apparently the Bridgestone tech put the wrong pressure in the tyres. Made the back wheel spin up and the front wouldn't heat up properly.

After the race Stoner was even more unhappy than usual, & he probably has a different tyre tech now.

Yeah these (those) things happen. Just gotta get on with the next race! Shouldn't take away from Lorenzo's brilliant race though!!

[Shaun]

Apparently the Bridgestone tech put the wrong pressure in the tyres. Made the back wheel spin up and the front wouldn't heat up properly.

After the race Stoner was even more unhappy than usual, & he probably has a different tyre tech now.



If it is true the Tech screwed up, Stoner would be mad to change him, as I bet he never makes that mistake again

[RobGassit]

Probably the tyre tech was whorheys cousin. Let's face it folks. He got lucky. He got so excited seeing casey back up to him he accidentally put in the fastest lap. Somebody wound the choke up on that Yamaha during the week too, which obviously did'nt hurt. When you can't draft a Yamaha on a Honda someones been busy.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Somebody wound the choke up on that Yamaha during the week too, which obviously did'nt hurt. When you can't draft a Yamaha on a Honda someones been busy.

In my eyes...there hasn't been as much difference as some have been making out anyway...

[merv]

In my eyes...there hasn't been as much difference as some have been making out anyway...

Straight from the MotoGP site are these stats http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2011/ITA/MotoGP/RAC/AverageSpeed.pdf?v1_1bbc98a6 which shows top speed isn't everything else the Ducatis would be winning lol.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Straight from the MotoGP site are these stats http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2011/ITA/MotoGP/RAC/AverageSpeed.pdf?v1_1bbc98a6 which shows top speed isn't everything else the Ducatis would be winning lol.

Aye Merv...never has been!

[eelracing]

Apparently the Bridgestone tech put the wrong pressure in the tyres. Made the back wheel spin up and the front wouldn't heat up properly.

Don't believe everything these boys say...it was racer speak for "I got beat"


In my eyes...there hasn't been as much difference as some have been making out anyway...

Yeh but your one-eyed.


He got lucky. He got so excited seeing casey back up to him he put in the fastest lap. When you can't draft a Yamaha on a Honda someones been busy.

Lucky my ass,Jorge was hungrier.Is Casey going into protection mode already?could'nt blame him if he was,he is a bit wobbly under pressure.

[Shaun]

Its all about in and out of the corner, if you cannot do that, it dose not matter a shit how fast you are on a streight

Spies bike 8 Down mmmm

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't believe everything these boys say...it was racer speak for "I got beat"



Yeh but your one-eyed.



Lucky my ass,Jorge was hungrier.Is Casey going into protection mode already?could'nt blame him if he was,he is a bit wobbly under pressure.

Nah...it's more than likely an honest answer to "What happened?"

Nah...I can appreciate skill no matter who shows the most on the day.

Nah...I think they're both as hungry for it...and I don't think that's correct at all. I seem to recall Rossi chasing him round Phillip Island applying immense pressure and he got his but kicked by some of THE most agressive riding/racing I've ever seen.

They can't have the perfect bike set up every race mate. Still...I hope Lorenzo does get closer, as there's nothing like a down to the wire season!!!

[pritch]

It being Independence Day at the time?

When asked on Twitter if he thought this was the end of Rossi, Hayden replied,
"NO u must be lighting more than fireworks 2night wherever you are."

Perhaps that could also explain some of the recent comments hereabout? :devil2:

Legal highs of course.

[merv]

Spies bike 8 Down mmmm

Yeah and notice how except for Dovi all the fast guys were about the same top speed around 7 or 8 km/hr below the fastest slow guy :innocent:

[Kendog]

Spies pass on the inside of the last corner of the race was the highlight for me.

[Shaun]

Spies pass on the inside of the last corner of the race was the highlight for me.



I trully believe that if Yamaha produce an = competitive 1000 next year, Spies will be the 2012 champion without any bad luck for himself or other riders, he has the smarts of Matt Malladin, and the Calm of Eddie Lawson, and the BALLS of a man from TEXAS, Schwantz-Edwards AND GUNS

[SPman]

Ah well - Stoner went out and did a 1.47.3 in testing today!
Must've had the right pressures this time!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Perhaps that could also explain some of the recent comments hereabout? :devil2:

.

Well how far into the season was it that Rossi threatened to quite Moto GP unless he got his Bridgestones the last year he rode on Michelin? 1/2 way? So you do then understand why I wonder if he and Ducati will fall out of love??

[DidJit]

That last lap pass Spies made on Simoncelli was poetry in motion. :yes:

Oh, to have been a fly on the wall behind closed doors with all the Ducati top brass present at Mugello... :grouphug: There must be some 'vigorous' debate going on between Filippo Preziosi and the team/bosses.

And, yeah, Stoner's 1:47.326 in testing... :crazy:

[Brian d marge]

Knowing the tech they use at ducati , I would like them to get the bike sorted , going 1000cc will ( I think ) mask the problems ie they may start getting up the pointy end , but the fundamental problems will still exist with the bike. ( I think)
Its the same with the Virgin F1 team ...I KNOW they are at the back or not running at all , but they are leading in the technique of CFD, it will happen , just a matter of when.

Stephen

[boostin]

Knowing the tech they use at ducati , I would like them to get the bike sorted , going 1000cc will ( I think ) mask the problems ie they may start getting up the pointy end , but the fundamental problems will still exist with the bike. ( I think)
Its the same with the Virgin F1 team ...I KNOW they are at the back or not running at all , but they are leading in the technique of CFD, it will happen , just a matter of when.

Stephen

Here are all the problems, up the front there...

http://twitpic.com/5l35h3/full

[Cleve]

I've said it before...there's a very good reason why he has a number 1 on his bike.

And fuck yeah...who wouldn't love to be at Mugello for a GP!!?? The scenery, the chicks...the wine and food...and some racing too!!

I am just back from Mugello. What a weekend! What a place! If you EVER have the slightest chance of making it - like I did - then you MUST go. A European GP (Italian or Spanish - maybe the Dutch) is like nothing else in this world. The crowd was INSANE. The circuit is amazing. A licorice strip on lime icecream! Just want to get on my track bike and ride it (which is what the crowd could do when the GP is over - they open the gates and the crowds swarm onto it - including people on their bikes - as in 3 up no helmet doing wheelies thru the crowd - and the cops just standing around smiling...). Tuscany is a beautiful part of Italy as well.
Crasher - you are right (for a change :innocent:)

[Crasherfromwayback]

I am just back from Mugello. What a weekend! What a place! If you EVER have the slightest chance of making it - like I did - then you MUST go. A European GP (Italian or Spanish - maybe the Dutch) is like nothing else in this world. The crowd was INSANE. The circuit is amazing. A licorice strip on lime icecream! Just want to get on my track bike and ride it (which is what the crowd could do when the GP is over - they open the gates and the crowds swarm onto it - including people on their bikes - as in 3 up no helmet doing wheelies thru the crowd - and the cops just standing around smiling...). Tuscany is a beautiful part of Italy as well.
Crasher - you are right (for a change :innocent:)

Awesome mate...sounds FANTASTIC! We'll of course need lots of pictures!! I've been to Spain (Valencia) for a GP...and can't wait for another Euro excursion...

[Cleve]

Awesome mate...sounds FANTASTIC! We'll of course need lots of pictures!! I've been to Spain (Valencia) for a GP...and can't wait for another Euro excursion...

Yep - was indeed. While there also saw Devil from KB and he should also have some good pictures. I will put some up tomorrow.
My next one will be in Motegi in September. I did that one a couple of years ago and while it was good - it doesn't compare with Mugello. Valencia/Catalan/Jerez or maybe Aragon (which Spanish one?) would be my next choice if possible...

[Brian d marge]

Here are all the problems, up the front there...

http://twitpic.com/5l35h3/full

Good find ,,good find well done !!!!

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Yep - was indeed. While there also saw Devil from KB and he should also have some good pictures. I will put some up tomorrow.
My next one will be in Motegi in September. I did that one a couple of years ago and while it was good - it doesn't compare with Mugello. Valencia/Catalan/Jerez or maybe Aragon (which Spanish one?) would be my next choice if possible...
I will be there if u fancy a beer and one of those speedway hamburgers they have

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Here are all the problems, up the front there...

http://twitpic.com/5l35h3/full

As I said awesome find
No WONDER it aint going to turn in ..my first impressions are , crank very high; Rake, my old chopper has better cluch , also very high

you would have to grab this thing by the scruff of the neck to get it round the corners, then it will want to wash the front , as for heat in the tyre ,,that aint happening

I ll try to take some measurements of the pic and get some sort of data ,,,

Stephen

[Cleve]

I will be there if u fancy a beer and one of those speedway hamburgers they have

Stephen

PM in a few weeks once I get all sorted (and the GP is 100% confirmed on - the riders are bitching about radiation..)

[Shaun]

As I said awesome find
No WONDER it aint going to turn in ..my first impressions are , crank very high; Rake, my old chopper has better cluch , also very high

you would have to grab this thing by the scruff of the neck to get it round the corners, then it will want to wash the front , as for heat in the tyre ,,that aint happening

I ll try to take some measurements of the pic and get some sort of data ,,,

Stephen


It is all JOHN BRITTEN's FAULT? Take out the forks, put in some Girders instead and hey presto, BRITTEN MOTORCYCLE

Mounting the front end direct of the motor like that just does NOT WORK, ( Every single pulse on and off the throttle is 100% transfered to the forks and wheel and tyre) Fuck even ERIC BUELL has built a better Carbon Fibre frame than that by 100% He at least did not try to reinvent the wheel, just made it a shit load lighter.

The engine needs to be seperated from the suspension actions, front and rear and not used as a BRIDGE to fill a gap. Engine's in a cradle allow you to divorce/add/change Flex in the chassis front and rear by forward rearward upward downward movement, BOLT size holding the puppy in, amoun of bolts holding it in, many many options, the current thing is extremelly limited with what you can do with it.

YES it could be made perfect for certain tracks, but never a good all round bike in my mind, and the testing to find the base setting for a good all round bike on certain tracks is impossible and exspensive, again I say, BRING BACK THE TUBES



Re Ducati and BRITTEN, Myself John and Mike broz were invited to the factory years back when we were testing the Britten in Italy ( MONZA)prior to the TT, we were taken to the design room and introduced to there main man the STH AFRICAN dude ( Cannot remember his name) He took us to his PRIVATE design room and showed us a NEW CLAY mould of an up coming project bike, he had Copied the FRONT FAIRING design of the BRITTEN and the end of the seat to a T, John was very proud of that! John also gave the factory one of his 1000 motors that mike and I had stripped down so they could see how the Britten worked and why it was so fast motor wise, they gave us a lovely dubbly pasts and wine lunch in re teturn, bahaha Tight fuckers

[Cleve]

Here is my little video of sighting lap at Mugello


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOtvK4pVjRo

[Cleve]

and the post race track invasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMvPEGXhSA

[roogazza]

Awesome mate...sounds FANTASTIC! We'll of course need lots of pictures!! I've been to Spain (Valencia) for a GP...and can't wait for another Euro excursion...

Haven't you been to Mugello Crasher ? (you must) I just got back last night, another great holiday ! Was in the pits for the whole of the first day. (have some great friends in GP) Retirement is a bastard huh ! G.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Haven't you been to Mugello Crasher ? (you must) I just got back last night, another great holiday ! Was in the pits for the whole of the first day. (have some great friends in GP) Retirement is a bastard huh ! G.

Nope. Done GP's at Eastern Creek, Phillip Island, Laguna Seca and Valencia...but I WILL get to Mugello one day without doubt!

[Brian d marge]

It is all JOHN BRITTEN's FAULT? Take out the forks, put in some Girders instead and hey presto, BRITTEN MOTORCYCLE

Mounting the front end direct of the motor like that just does NOT WORK, ( Every single pulse on and off the throttle is 100% transfered to the forks and wheel and tyre) Fuck even ERIC BUELL has built a better Carbon Fibre frame than that by 100% He at least did not try to reinvent the wheel, just made it a shit load lighter.

The engine needs to be seperated from the suspension actions, front and rear and not used as a BRIDGE to fill a gap. Engine's in a cradle allow you to divorce/add/change Flex in the chassis front and rear by forward rearward upward downward movement, BOLT size holding the puppy in, amoun of bolts holding it in, many many options, the current thing is extremelly limited with what you can do with it.

YES it could be made perfect for certain tracks, but never a good all round bike in my mind, and the testing to find the base setting for a good all round bike on certain tracks is impossible and exspensive, again I say, BRING BACK THE TUBES



Re Ducati and BRITTEN, Myself John and Mike broz were invited to the factory years back when we were testing the Britten in Italy ( MONZA)prior to the TT, we were taken to the design room and introduced to there main man the STH AFRICAN dude ( Cannot remember his name) He took us to his PRIVATE design room and showed us a NEW CLAY mould of an up coming project bike, he had Copied the FRONT FAIRING design of the BRITTEN and the end of the seat to a T, John was very proud of that! John also gave the factory one of his 1000 motors that mike and I had stripped down so they could see how the Britten worked and why it was so fast motor wise, they gave us a lovely dubbly pasts and wine lunch in re teturn, bahaha Tight fuckers

Some people are starting to agree with you , Even old Spalding from motogp is making noises towards tubes .... Looking at that photo , I become more impressed with stoners riding ability ,,,
Hope Ducati get it sorted , I for one would like to know how they will do it

Stephen

[Shaun]

Some people are starting to agree with you , Even old Spalding from motogp is making noises towards tubes .... Looking at that photo , I become more impressed with stoners riding ability ,,,
Hope Ducati get it sorted , I for one would like to know how they will do it

Stephen



Hopefully they read KIWIBIKER then, and I May get a test riders job eh

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some people are starting to agree with you , Even old Spalding from motogp is making noises towards tubes .... Looking at that photo , I become more impressed with stoners riding ability ,,,
Hope Ducati get it sorted , I for one would like to know how they will do it

Stephen

Think I questioned some time ago if carbon fibre was the right thing to be using for a frame...

[Maido]

When stoner won the Champoinsip, was the bike still runing the tube frame?

[Shaun]

When stoner won the Champoinsip, was the bike still runing the tube frame?



YES MATE, they changed at a later date

[Shaun]

Think I questioned some time ago if carbon fibre was the right thing to be using for a frame...


Carbon fibre for a FRAME is fine! But the design they have now has NO FRAME, it has a front end attached to a rear end VIA the motor, so the motor effectively is the Frame, and there is no way in hell that you can hide/divorce that amount of HP

[Crasherfromwayback]

Carbon fibre for a FRAME is fine! But the design they have now has NO FRAME, it has a front end attached to a rear end VIA the motor, so the motor effectively is the Frame, and there is no way in hell that you can hide/divorce that amount of HP

My understanding of it is that the airbox structure etc is the frame...along with the engine?

[Shaun]

My understanding of it is that the airbox structure etc is the frame...along with the engine?



Yes it is, but take a good look at the way it all bolts together to become a total rolling unit, the ENGINE is actually the KEY part/structure of the so called FRAME, so that RIGID AS hunk of metal PULLSING to hell and back on and off the throttle ( Even with the trickest dam electronics availlable) are never going to be able divorce itself from the chassis/suspension action feelings. Chassis pitch on it must be nothing short of fuckin awfull

The suspension units are being asked to try a FIX problems that are totally out of there control which in turn over or under works the tyres. They could raise rear swingarm pivot or lower and get gains, they can change AIRBOX STEARING head angle and get losses or gains, but they will never get a perfect base setting working motorbike wih the frame itself NOT being able to be adjusted, ie thinner of thicker side walls, more or less gussets, more or less bolts, motor position forward back up down etc

[Crasherfromwayback]

The suspension units are being asked to try a FIX problems that are totally out of there control which in turn over or under works the tyres. They could raise rear swingarm pivot or lower and get gains, they can change AIRBOX STEARING head angle and get losses or gains, but they will never get a perfect base setting working motorbike wih the frame itself being able to be adjusted, ie thinner of thicker side walls, more or less gussets, more or less bolts, motor position forward back up down etc

Nice. Best they go back to having a 'proper' frame then!

[SWERVE]

Yes it is, but take a good look at the way it all bolts together to become a total rolling unit, the ENGINE is actually the KEY part/structure of the so called FRAME, so that RIGID AS hunk of metal PULLSING to hell and back on and off the throttle ( Even with the trickest dam electronics availlable) are never going to be able divorce itself from the chassis/suspension action feelings. Chassis pitch on it must be nothing short of fuckin awfull

The suspension units are being asked to try a FIX problems that are totally out of there control which in turn over or under works the tyres. They could raise rear swingarm pivot or lower and get gains, they can change AIRBOX STEARING head angle and get losses or gains, but they will never get a perfect base setting working motorbike wih the frame itself being able to be adjusted, ie thinner of thicker side walls, more or less gussets, more or less bolts, motor position forward back up down etc
See Shaun you can make alot of sense.............when you want too:msn-wink:
good analogy bud.

[Brian d marge]

Can also add to that, its the control of the stresses, and if you think of the engine as loosely bolted together , ie some italian forgot to do up all the fasteners on the engine, you can see whats happening to all the bits inside, crankshaft for example not being held and flexing , so as I said before , u have to make the cases stronger , fine on a vincent 18 bhp ...but there are some stresses in one of those motogp things ...so that the stresses go through the engine but around or past critical components

THEN, if that wasn't enough , you have the "lay the fibles to get the desired stiffness, " ie carbon is stiffest in one dierction. so that isnt going to be easy as (frame) stiffness is a seat of the pants thing ( rider feel)

So as shaun says , the chassis pitch from the torque reaction ,in both planes,, high centre of gravity and chassis feeling vague??, ( design) ,

IMHO it wont tip into corners, ( not sure if it would flop into corners or want to remain upright ...imagine a gyro on a longer lever ). When you do get it into a corner there wont be any feeling from the front vague??? untrustworthy?? not sure how you would describe it

IF ROssi wins on that , well done that man ,,,if he wins a championship , EVEn with 1000 cc which may mask the faults ,,,hes a legend ( he has more chance on my Enfield )

how they are going to fix it ...no idea , bin it and start again ........ tui moment .....

Phillip Morris will have to dig deep ,,,so start buying Italian ciggies !!!everyone

Stephen

[Shaun]

As the set up is now, to start dialling more flex into it, they need to start makeing the front and rear THINNER/LIGHTER and that is potentually dangerous? Make the forks more flexable and loose feel from them, NO WIN

# EDITED THIS TO MAKE MORE SENSE! Carbon fibre is at its strongest anti flex strength in short sections like the swingarm and the Airbox/stearing head, so they are also now heading into danger safety wise, with jack shit time left to make it fast and safe using Carbon Fibre.

Metal is a coming, or as Crasher has suggested, ROSSI MAY BE GOING mmmmm Where to?

[Shaun]

See Shaun you can make alot of sense.............when you want too:msn-wink:
good analogy bud.


Cheers Dude

[denill]

Interesting guys and it seems to make sense.

And another issue that <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jul/110707-34x34.htm>Schwantz:</A> wrote about:

I've heard that Rossi is already on his fifth engine. That means he only has one more left. I assume that if you have to use more than six engines, you have to start at the back, no matter where you qualify. That could be huge for the sport. I can only imagine that they'll try and find some way, or some exception to it. I'm sure they'll point out that a couple of years ago they let Suzuki have some extra engines, and didn't do anything to them. I'm sure they'll continue to leverage that position. "What do you mean, you want us to start at the back? You gave those guys extra motors. Give us some." Not to say that Valentino is above the rules, or Ducati, either one. But to see the 46 start at the back of every race ... I don't know. It might be really entertaining, especially if they get that bike sorted out a little bit. You might be surprised how far through the field he could get it.

[Shaun]

Interesting guys and it seems to make sense.

And another issue that <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jul/110707-34x34.htm>Schwantz:</A> wrote about:

I've heard that Rossi is already on his fifth engine. That means he only has one more left. I assume that if you have to use more than six engines, you have to start at the back, no matter where you qualify. That could be huge for the sport. I can only imagine that they'll try and find some way, or some exception to it. I'm sure they'll point out that a couple of years ago they let Suzuki have some extra engines, and didn't do anything to them. I'm sure they'll continue to leverage that position. "What do you mean, you want us to start at the back? You gave those guys extra motors. Give us some." Not to say that Valentino is above the rules, or Ducati, either one. But to see the 46 start at the back of every race ... I don't know. It might be really entertaining, especially if they get that bike sorted out a little bit. You might be surprised how far through the field he could get it.



See, even Schwantz is reading KB these days:wings:

[Wingnut]

ROSSI MAY BE GOING mmmmm Where to?

WSBK............ Paging Mr Biaggi........

[Shaun]

WSBK............ Paging Mr Biaggi........




nah man, I do not see Rossi leaving untill the 1000 has been back out there. He will not leave the scene a LOOSER, way to much pride I think for that and he IS STILL cappable of winning races in MOTOGP

[gixerracer]

Can also add to that, its the control of the stresses, and if you think of the engine as loosely bolted together , ie some italian forgot to do up all the fasteners on the engine, you can see whats happening to all the bits inside, crankshaft for example not being held and flexing , so as I said before , u have to make the cases stronger , fine on a vincent 18 bhp ...but there are some stresses in one of those motogp things ...so that the stresses go through the engine but around or past critical components

THEN, if that wasn't enough , you have the "lay the fibles to get the desired stiffness, " ie carbon is stiffest in one dierction. so that isnt going to be easy as (frame) stiffness is a seat of the pants thing ( rider feel)

So as shaun says , the chassis pitch from the torque reaction ,in both planes,, high centre of gravity and chassis feeling vague??, ( design) ,

IMHO it wont tip into corners, ( not sure if it would flop into corners or want to remain upright ...imagine a gyro on a longer lever ). When you do get it into a corner there wont be any feeling from the front vague??? untrustworthy?? not sure how you would describe it

IF ROssi wins on that , well done that man ,,,if he wins a championship , EVEn with 1000 cc which may mask the faults ,,,hes a legend ( he has more chance on my Enfield )

how they are going to fix it ...no idea , bin it and start again ........ tui moment .....

Phillip Morris will have to dig deep ,,,so start buying Italian ciggies !!!everyone

Stephen

Stoner won plenty on it

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner won plenty on it

Wot he says

[Shaun]

Stoner won plenty on it


So did Stroud on the SAME Suzuki you had last season, just things on both bikes ARE/WERE DIFFERNT

[eelracing]

Stoner won plenty on it

Yes he did...in 2007 when the Ducati hit the (800cc) ground running,both were clearly superior.

08 he finished second but won some decent races.
09 & 10 the Ducati went down hill fast and he finished 4th both years behind Rossi (eh Pete<_<)

No doubt Stoner is talented to get the wins he did those years but the boy could'nt develop a hard-on on at a porn shoot.

Lucky he moved to Honda when he did,after all these wilderness years I think they have finally admitted to themselves the lesson Rossi left them for.

[Crasherfromwayback]

No doubt Stoner is talented to get the wins he did those years but the boy could'nt develop a hard-on on at a porn shoot.

Lucky he moved to Honda when he did,after all these wilderness years I think they have finally admitted to themselves the lesson Rossi left them for.

You'll get to see next year how good Stoner is at developing a bike mate! For all his reputation for developing bikes...Rossi ain't doing fuck all with the Ducati so far!:bleh:

[BMWST?]

Yes he did...in 2007 when the Ducati hit the (800cc) ground running,both were clearly superior.

08 he finished second but won some decent races.
09 & 10 the Ducati went down hill fast and he finished 4th both years behind Rossi (eh Pete<_<)

No doubt Stoner is talented to get the wins he did those years but the boy could'nt develop a hard-on on at a porn shoot.

Lucky he moved to Honda when he did,after all these wilderness years I think they have finally admitted to themselves the lesson Rossi left them for.

the rider has a role in developing and fine tuning a bike,cant do much if the die is already set by the factory.To illustrate this fact see how the best team in motogp is developing the bike.The same bike they said they could fix in 80 seconds and that the problem was the rider wasnt trying hard enough.

[RobGassit]

Stoner is no mug and Rossi can't walk on water. Pedrosa and Dovi are not angry enough.Spies has the focus to go all the way and stay there. Simo is just a big ball of energy and I love to watch him race on instinct.Jorge is a class act but loves himself. Everyone else is there to fill the grid. I'd rather watch Maverick in the 125's.

[eelracing]

You'll get to see next year how good Stoner is at developing a bike mate! For all his reputation for developing bikes...Rossi ain't doing fuck all with the Ducati so far!:bleh:

Rome was'nt built in a day mate.

Anyway Honda has'nt had an evil handling bike since 1989...look at the class rider who sorted that and since.Honda's only mistake is its hired Pedrosa/Puig.

[BMWST?]

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2011/July/Stoner.htm

[eelracing]

the rider has a role in developing and fine tuning a bike,cant do much if the die is already set by the factory.

Quit ya whining,your starting to sound like Stoner.:bleh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rome was'nt built in a day mate.

Anyway Honda has'nt had an evil handling bike since 1989...look at the class rider who sorted that and since.Honda's only mistake is its hired Pedrosa/Puig.

Wasn't Stoners idea to use a carbon frame either! Don't really think you can blame how bad the Ducati is on him.

Lucky he was so crook in 2009, else these numbers would look a lot worse for the others...

"Casey Stoner is the most successful rider of the 800cc era. Since the 800cc motors were introduced at Qatar in 2007, where Stoner celebrated his first premier class victory, through last weekend's Italian Grand Prix at Mugello, Stoner had won 27 races. The majority came in 2007, when he collected ten race victories en route to the 2007 MotoGP World Championship.

With a brilliant start to this season, the 25-year-old Australian has continued to add to his tally. Through the first eight races Stoner has four wins, a second, and two thirds. The only time he's failed to finish on the podium was at the Spanish Grand Prix in Jerez when he was knocked out of second place early in the race.

Stoner has been called the fastest rider by a number of his peers, including team-mate Andrea Dovizioso. His five poles in eight races bear that out. But now that the 800cc era is drawing to a close, we thought we'd get Stoner's thoughts on the move to the 1000cc era."

[Crasherfromwayback]

Anyway Honda has'nt had an evil handling bike since 1989...look at the class rider who sorted that and since.Honda's only mistake is its hired Pedrosa/Puig.

Well the Ducati certainly seems to be as evil as anything Honda ever built. Odd...as bad as it is/was...I can't recall Stoner ever finishing 30 odd seconds behind the winner!:bleh:

[eelracing]

I can't recall Stoner ever finishing 30 odd seconds behind the winner!:bleh:

I know...that's because he usually ended up on his head in the sandpit.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I know...that's because he usually ended up on his head in the sandpit.

Yeah...he was trying too hard...not not hard enough!

[denill]

Stoner is no mug and Rossi can't walk on water. Pedrosa and Dovi are not angry enough.Spies has the focus to go all the way and stay there. Simo is just a big ball of energy and I love to watch him race on instinct.Jorge is a class act but loves himself. Everyone else is there to fill the grid. I'd rather watch Maverick in the 125's.

Agree with all the above.