The boycott that lied...

[The Singing Chef]

It's amazing to see the large amount of mis-directed hate and abuse that goes on in NZ, it starts off with just a snowflake, then rolls down the hill to you have an avalanche. The Nz people have forgotten to listen and to use their eyes, they have been overcome by a blind and ignorant hate and any reason cannot get through to them. It's disgusting to see, they have made themselves disabled, the blind who will not look, the deaf who refuse to hear, and the dumb who refuse to think.

Wake up New Zealand and smell the roses, you need to learn to think for yourselves in such a cut throat world, not follow like sheep, be eager for information and be a fair country, don't degrade yourselves.

[jaffaonajappa]

It's amazing to see the large amount of mis-directed hate and abuse that goes on in NZ, it starts off with just a snowflake, then rolls down the hill to you have an avalanche. The Nz people have forgotten to listen and to use their eyes, they have been overcome by a blind and ignorant hate and any reason cannot get through to them. It's disgusting to see, they have made themselves disabled, the blind who will not look, the deaf who refuse to hear, and the dumb who refuse to think.

Wake up New Zealand and smell the roses, you need to learn to think for yourselves in such a cut throat world, not follow like sheep, be eager for information and be a fair country, don't degrade yourselves.

Good afternoon to you too!

While Im not disagreeing with your post....can I ask what it was that sparked it? Anything lately in particular?

[slofox]

Good afternoon to you too!

While Im not disagreeing with your post....can I ask what it was that sparked it? Anything lately in particular?

Wot 'e said - to which boycott are you referring?

[scissorhands]

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king?

[The Singing Chef]

Just after looking at the Boycott of the Kahui book page, and seeing the most idiotic comments on there, it makes me sick to see such a hate that is put into the wrong thing, i understand everyone is angry about the Kahui twins, hell i am as well, but before you start a protest should you not make sure you have the right information to provide the protesters?

...oh and Ian is also my dad :corn::shit:

[jaffaonajappa]

...oh and :corn::shit:

ahhhh whoaaa.
Mate.
You can love him as your Dad, without needing to get tangled in the politics and controversy. This site is full of trolls.....dangerous ground here with one of the most controversial journos in NZ.

[The Singing Chef]

Oh it has nothing to do with him being my dad, not biased or anything, but it is me watching this mass group of people and what they say and do, is a little worrying really.

[Maha]

....can go back to the Crewe murders and Auther Allen Thomas.
Wishart wrote a book (David Yallop was first to do so on that particular case) and Thomas had big part in Wisharts book.
I dont how it the sales were, but I guess there are those that still beleive he killed the Crewes and there are those that still beleive Len Demlar killed them.
The big difference with both books is...one case is still very fresh in the minds of many and therefore, unresolved.
Had FB been around 40 years ago things might have been different for Thomas..
FB has alot to answer for and will continue to do so.
Its get way to much media attention.
And people say KB is bitchy?....:laugh:
Never seen KB on the 6pm time slot....:corn:

[2Seat_Terror]

Think? Why would anyone in NZ think? Thinking is all done for you, just do as you're told and believe everything you hear. :facepalm:

[The Singing Chef]

Think? Why would anyone in NZ think? Thinking is all done for you, just do as you're told and believe everything you hear. :facepalm:

How true! :violin:

[jaffaonajappa]

theres going to be lots of Media on this...

Heres the recent anti-boycott newsie item.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Boycotting-Macsyna-King-book-is-a-dangerous-precedent/tabid/1038/articleID/216962/Default.aspx

edit. and
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Break-the-Kahui-code-of-silence-support-the-new-book/184638478257810

[Banditbandit]

Oh it has nothing to do with him being my dad, not biased or anything, but it is me watching this mass group of people and what they say and do, is a little worrying really.

I agree completely with what you are saying about the book and the response .. but your description of a "mass group of people and what they say and do is a little worrying really" could easily be applied to the people on KB ..

[The Singing Chef]

I agree completely with what you are saying about the book and the response .. but your description of a "mass group of people and what they say and do is a little worrying really" could easily be applied to the people on KB ..

Haha yes that is a good point! hmm...maybe it's Kb in disguise?

[Oblivion]

I'm okay with the book itself, but the thing that I'm not okay with is the fact, that she is most likely going to make a profit from this. If they didn't give her any money, as in the money made went to Christchurch, then most people would be okay with it I think.

That's what the argument itself is about in a nutshell isn't it?

[The Singing Chef]

That is the point that people are trying to get across, she is not making a single cent from the book, that was a piece of false information put up by the founder of the page to most likely get votes, and that is what the whole argument is about, hence why i think a small minority of the nation is blind and deaf..

[Maha]

I'm okay with the book itself, but the thing that I'm not okay with is the fact, that she is most likely going to make a profit from this. If they didn't give her any money, as in the money made went to Christchurch, then most people would be okay with it I think.

That's what the argument itself is about in a nutshell isn't it?

Correct ....even without the nutshell.

[Kickaha]

she is not making a single cent from the book.

Who is then?

[Oblivion]

Well, she is not exactly that popular with most of New Zealand anyway. Even if people read the book, I doubt that most of their opinions would change. That's the way that most New Zealanders are. Especially something as controversial as the Kahui twins murder.

[Bald Eagle]

Who is then?

no one if it gets boycotted by the major bookstores.

[jaffaonajappa]

yeah.
It seems out bookstores have all wimped out.
The controversy stems from the belief that Macsyna King will benfit financially from the book. There is info out there stating this is untrue. But no ones hearing/believing/reading this - lynch mobs take a while to simmer down, and logic has no place in their heading.

Marketing at its worst.

[The Singing Chef]

From what i can piece together from things i have read, there will be money going to charity, and then there will be money going into recuperating the losses from publishing the book, it isn't cheap to publish a book these days. Apart from that, you have people that have slaved for over 7 months in researching, writing and publishing a book, with their own money.

All evidence has been made aware to the cops since 2006, they already know all of it, but they either do not have the solid facts to link it or for some other reason cannot lay a charge. so the book is merely bringing what has been told to the police to you, in a fashion so that you can form your own view on the tragedy.

[The Singing Chef]

yeah.
It seems out bookstores have all wimped out.
The controversy stems from the belief that Macsyna King will benfit financially from the book. There is info out there stating this is untrue. But no ones hearing/believing/reading this - lynch mobs take a while to simmer down, and logic has no place in their heading.

Marketing at its worst.

You know the funny thing, if all these stores had just held to their guns, they would realise that they may only lose on 1 - 2 days sale of items, not even that, it is a 0.5% minority that is against it. Then the people of New Zealand would have no where to buy their supplies from and be forced into going into the store..

In anger many a false promise is made..

[Oblivion]

You know the funny thing, if all these stores had just held to their guns, they would realise that they may only lose on 1 - 2 days sale of items, not even that, it is a 0.5% minority that is against it. Then the people of New Zealand would have no where to buy their supplies from and be forced into going into the store..

In anger many a false promise is made..

The thing is that the stores do not want to be viewed in a negative light. With the amount of people that will nonetheless support the boycott, the stores will lose quite a bit of business. By backing out, they are saving all the bases that they possible can. Not that Macsyna is very popular at the moment anyway.

[Laava]

I bet most Kiwis think that Macsyna King knows who is responsible for killing her babies. So no sympathy whatsoever. Which may translate into no sales. I can understand that.

[XxKiTtiExX]

I bet most Kiwis think that Macsyna King knows who is responsible for killing her babies. So no sympathy whatsoever. Which may translate into no sales. I can understand that.


Exactly.




Anyway, I have better things to do. Mcdonalds anyone? :facepalm:

[scumdog]

It'll sell like hot cakes.

And wait until the womens mags get into it...

[jazfender]

For fuck's sake.

http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/i-like-were-this-thread-is-going.jpg

[Maha]

Mcdonalds anyone? :facepalm:


It'll sell like hot cakes.


...until 10.30am only.

[Virago]

...The controversy stems from the belief that Macsyna King will benfit financially from the book. There is info out there stating this is untrue. But no ones hearing/believing/reading this...


From what i can piece together from things i have read, there will be money going to charity, and then there will be money going into recuperating the losses from publishing the book, it isn't cheap to publish a book these days...

Please point us in the direction of such evidence...?

If has already been reported that Macsyna King had previously approached the Women's Rags in an attempt to sell her story?

The book has been promoted as providing new information about the probable cause of the deaths. Perhaps Macsyna King should be along at the inquest instead, giving that information there?

The "sale" of the information to the public is distasteful, regardless of the supposed motives.

[The Singing Chef]

Please point us in the direction of such evidence...?

If has already been reported that Macsyna King had previously approached the Women's Rags in an attempt to sell her story?

The book has been promoted as providing new information about the probable cause of the deaths. Perhaps Macsyna King should be along at the inquest instead, giving that information there?

The "sale" of the information to the public is distasteful, regardless of the supposed motives.

Where has it been shown that she will make money from it? And maybe it is referring to new information to the public eyes? And she has been talking to the cops for years now.

Also why is everybody obsessed with money? is it not common knowledge that you need to use money to publish a book? and that money comes from the Authors pockets. Is it not fair to be at least recuperated? Alot of the banter on there is an assumption.

[Oblivion]

Please point us in the direction of such evidence...?

If has already been reported that Macsyna King had previously approached the Women's Rags in an attempt to sell her story?

The book has been promoted as providing new information about the probable cause of the deaths. Perhaps Macsyna King should be along at the inquest instead, giving that information there?

The "sale" of the information to the public is distasteful, regardless of the supposed motives.

The Womens rag pays good $$$ for good quality stories. Its no wonder that she approached them. If she wants to make money from this, then she doesn't deserve to have her story said.

[Virago]

Where has it been shown that she will make money from it?...

I ask yet again - where has it been shown that she won't?

[The Singing Chef]

I ask yet again - where has it been shown that she won't?

My first problem though comes from a bit of misinformation spreading across Facebook like melted butter – that Macsyna King is being paid from this book. She is not - she will not gain financially from its publication at all. Ian Wishart has said that some proportion of book sales will go to charity. http://www.3news.co.nz/Boycotting-Macsyna-King-book-is-a-dangerous-precedent/tabid/1038/articleID/216962/Default.aspx

It has been said many a time, it was said by one anonymous person that she would be making money and the tools in masses follow

[HenryDorsetCase]

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king?

a Sisters of Mercy fan?

[YellowDog]

Please point us in the direction of such evidence...?

If has already been reported that Macsyna King had previously approached the Women's Rags in an attempt to sell her story?

The book has been promoted as providing new information about the probable cause of the deaths. Perhaps Macsyna King should be along at the inquest instead, giving that information there?

The "sale" of the information to the public is distasteful, regardless of the supposed motives.

My understanding is that this case was about the cowardly murder of two innocent babies and skillful lawyers doing what they do best.

I wouldn't buy the book on the grounds I do not want to hear 'Wasn't me' stories and because I believe it to be in really bad taste.

I do not object to others being curious and wanting to read one side of the circumstances leading to the murders.

As for the original post: It's not NZ, it's the entire Western World. Generally speaking our societies need villains and Heros to feed our insatiatable lusts. If we have none to love or hate, we manufacture them. Many have sports teams to support and satisfy this lust, which has largely replaced the need for and has become their replacement religion. Worshiping or hating a team, villain, or hero can be translated into carrying out one's reliious dutuies.

Moronic, but unfortunately seems to be the way of our Western culture.
(I'm not saying that other cultures are better)

[HenryDorsetCase]

My first problem though comes from a bit of misinformation spreading across Facebook like melted butter – that Macsyna King is being paid from this book. She is not - she will not gain financially from its publication at all. Ian Wishart has said that some proportion of book sales will go to charity. http://www.3news.co.nz/Boycotting-Macsyna-King-book-is-a-dangerous-precedent/tabid/1038/articleID/216962/Default.aspx

It has been said many a time, it was said by one anonymous person that she would be making money and the tools in masses follow

so fucking what?

the fucker had to co operate surely? (otherwise billing it as "the untold story" or whatever it is is pointless).

I think that all of the hatred, bile, spite, and bitterness directed toward Wishart, and this King woman is entirely justified.

the fucker knows who killed her kids. If not her, then who? one of the other rocket scientists in the house. Why, five years on, has no one been convicted.

My personal view is that everyone who was in the house should have been charged as a party to the offence, and they all get a bullet in the head. Bada boom, bada bing, no more problem.

Fucking liberals can lick my balls.

[James Deuce]

Blind, ignorant hate is the only thing I have left. Also assumptions. I like those. Sweeping generalisations are good too.

[HenryDorsetCase]

As for the original post: It's not NZ, it's the entire Western World. Generally speaking our societies need villains and Heros to feed our insatiatable lusts. If we have none to love or hate, we manufacture them. Many have sports teams to support and satisfy this lust, which has largely replaced the need for and has become their replacement religion. Worshiping or hating a team, villain, or hero can be translated into carrying out one's reliious dutuies.

Moronic, but unfortunately seems to be the way of our Western culture.
(I'm not saying that other cultures are better)

oh blahdeblahblah. what a lot of shit.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Blind, ignorant hate is the only thing I have left. Also assumptions. I like those. Sweeping generalisations are good too.

in this case, I put it to you that these fuckers are what make blind hate, assumptions and generalisations (about the underclass, about Maori, about who killed these children) reasonable. Yes I said it. You all thought it.

[Oblivion]

so fucking what?

the fucker had to co operate surely? (otherwise billing it as "the untold story" or whatever it is is pointless).

I think that all of the hatred, bile, spite, and bitterness directed toward Wishart, and this King woman is entirely justified.

the fucker knows who killed her kids. If not her, then who? one of the other rocket scientists in the house. Why, five years on, has no one been convicted.

My personal view is that everyone who was in the house should have been charged as a party to the offence, and they all get a bullet in the head. Bada boom, bada bing, no more problem.

Fucking liberals can lick my balls.

How much has this cost in a blind random estimate?

[The Singing Chef]

so fucking what?

the fucker had to co operate surely? (otherwise billing it as "the untold story" or whatever it is is pointless).

I think that all of the hatred, bile, spite, and bitterness directed toward Wishart, and this King woman is entirely justified.

the fucker knows who killed her kids. If not her, then who? one of the other rocket scientists in the house. Why, five years on, has no one been convicted.

My personal view is that everyone who was in the house should have been charged as a party to the offence, and they all get a bullet in the head. Bada boom, bada bing, no more problem.

Fucking liberals can lick my balls.

And she has named who that person is, and she has most likely told the police as well, but you cannot charge based on hearsay, and maybe no one has been convicted because of a lack of a solid piece of evidence linking that person directly to the murder.

Yes there should have been other ways of punishing them and sorting out this mess than just letting them all free, but unfortunately at the end of the day we can't change that unless we begin hiring hitmen.

[HenryDorsetCase]

And she has named who that person is, and she has most likely told the police as well, but you cannot charge based on hearsay, and maybe no one has been convicted because of a lack of a solid piece of evidence linking that person directly to the murder.

Yes there should have been other ways of punishing them and sorting out this mess than just letting them all free, but unfortunately at the end of the day we can't change that unless we begin hiring hitmen.

Money where mouth is time: I'm in for a hundy.

[Virago]

My first problem though comes from a bit of misinformation spreading across Facebook like melted butter – that Macsyna King is being paid from this book. She is not - she will not gain financially from its publication at all...

I call bullshit. King's motives and intentions have already been confirmed by her approaches to the Slag Mags.

A bit of creative accounting will ensure that only her "expenses" will be covered - as you've already suggested.

[Katman]

From what i can piece together from things i have read, there will be money going to charity, and then there will be money going into recuperating the losses from publishing the book, it isn't cheap to publish a book these days. Apart from that, you have people that have slaved for over 7 months in researching, writing and publishing a book, with their own money.



And of course your Dad's doing it for love, isn't he?

Face it - he's looking to profit from some slag's story.

What a parasite.

[Woodman]

so fucking what?

the fucker had to co operate surely? (otherwise billing it as "the untold story" or whatever it is is pointless).

I think that all of the hatred, bile, spite, and bitterness directed toward Wishart, and this King woman is entirely justified.

the fucker knows who killed her kids. If not her, then who? one of the other rocket scientists in the house. Why, five years on, has no one been convicted.

My personal view is that everyone who was in the house should have been charged as a party to the offence, and they all get a bullet in the head. Bada boom, bada bing, no more problem.

Fucking liberals can lick my balls.

Couldn't agree more, you are right all those fuckheads in that house know who killed the babies and none of them would tell who did it. They are the worst of the worst and don't deserve to live. The fact that the mother who knows who killed her kids is now writing a book about it is just fucken unbelievable. If I was in charge of any charity that was offered proceeds from the book I would kick whoever offered it in the balls. I think ian Wishart has made a bad choice, maybe we should boycott all his future books. Promoting the book by saying he has new information about who killed the twins is fucken obscene, and is not that far removed from those other scumbags.

[Swoop]

The entire family have acted in a reprehensible way.

If any of the bastards have anything to say, they should tell the police and judges.

[jazfender]

If she wants her story told, why doesn't she just release a statement?

Anything that takes a book worth of explaining has to be some Clayton Weatherston shit.

[Ronin]

Blind, ignorant hate is the only thing I have left. Also assumptions. I like those. Sweeping generalisations are good too.

There needs to be an app for that.

James Deuce has jumped to 14 conclusions today.

[Headbanger]

Fuck the money, its a non-issue, Shoot the bitch.

And if the author gets tarnished for his efforts then good fucking job, thats how shit works.

[Hitcher]

This is a match made in heaven.

Neither party involved is interested in the truth. If Macsyna was, she would have told it during all of the inquests. Indeed she could have circumvented much of the legal saga by fessing up to the Police when they first started asking questions. Everybody in the sorry saga that's otherwise known as the Kahui family knows what happened to the twins. They were systematically abused to death by close family members as yet unnamed.

Ian Wishart isn't interested in the truth either. He's interested in selling books. His last piece of creative fiction about the Crewe murders is a case in point. Just because he's an articulate bully doesn't make what he says or writes truthful or indeed in the public interest. Without having read this book, he's probably postulating that it was either medical misadventure or caused by the investigating Police officer.

The timing of this whole tawdry business is unfortunate, given the enquiry that's currently in progress. The Kahui case is still emotionally raw in the minds of many New Zealanders who believe that Chris and Cru deserved better and who now deserve justice.

[avgas]

Life's a bitch.
Then her kids die and a book is written about it so the rest of us can vomit a little more.
But that's life.

[Oblivion]

This is a match made in heaven.

Neither party involved is interested in the truth. If Macsyna was, she would have told it during all of the inquests. Indeed she could have circumvented much of the legal saga by fessing up to the Police when they first started asking questions. Everybody in the sorry saga that's otherwise known as the Kahui family knows what happened to the twins. They were systematically abused to death by close family members as yet unnamed.

Ian Wishart isn't interested in the truth either. He's interested in selling books. His last piece of creative fiction about the Crewe murders is a case in point. Just because he's an articulate bully doesn't make what he says or writes truthful or indeed in the public interest. Without having read this book, he's probably postulating that it was either medical misadventure or caused by the investigating Police officer.

The timing of this whole tawdry business is unfortunate, given the enquiry that's currently in progress. The Kahui case is still emotionally raw in the minds of many New Zealanders who believe that Chris and Cru deserved better and who now deserve justice.

Why the hell does she need a book to say what has, and should have already been said? If there is 'new' information, then the judges should have known a long time ago, making it 'old' information.

The whole family needs a very good kick up the arse. They are a bunch of lying cowards that are hiding behind each other to avoid the sentence that they know they are going to get.

The babies deserved better than they have been given. They should both go to prison for being party to a crime, and manslaughter for failing to seek medical attention resulting in death.

[Usarka]

Who writes a book about someone like this and gets surprised about the reaction? :wacko:

[jazfender]

Who writes a book about someone like this and gets surprised about the reaction? :wacko:

The father of a KB member...

[Laava]

And she has named who that person is,.

So who is it?

[XxKiTtiExX]

So who is it?


But you gotta buy the book!!!

[Laava]

Dammit, a catch 22! Surely The Singing Chef has a copy and can tell us?

[XxKiTtiExX]

But that would ruin daddys book now wouldn't it? :sick:

[jaffaonajappa]

But that would ruin daddys book now wouldn't it? :sick:

Regardless of his personal thoughts, and despite his stance on the issue - TSC telling us what is in that book would be undermining his Dad.
Give the guy a break.
Argue the point, but lets not start our own wee lynch mob that turns on one of its own.

[Woodman]

Maybe the Police are reading the book now to find out who it was. We may be waiting a while:innocent:

But honestly, What a crock of shit.

[jaffaonajappa]

But honestly, What a crock of shit.

Agreed.
Farken armchair internet experts, making a pile of assumptions and ramping up the venom, before they have even looked at the facts.

Fact. A book is about to be published on a topic many people are interested in, and most suspect theres been a massive cover-up.
Fact. Majority of the people posting have not read this book. But have made an opinion based on something already.
Fact. This is exactly the shitty attitude described at post #1 that started this thread.

Kiwis with blinkers, and unable to switch mindsets. How about waiting till the books been read by someone able to give it a quick review on here, before making so many 'statements'.

Yep. A Crock Of shit.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Agreed.
Farken armchair internet experts, making a pile of assumptions and ramping up the venom, before they have even looked at the facts.

Fact. A book is about to be published on a topic many people are interested in, and most suspect theres been a massive cover-up.
Fact. Majority of the people posting have not read this book. But have made an opinion based on something already.
Fact. This is exactly the shitty attitude described at post #1 that started this thread.

Kiwis with blinkers, and unable to switch mindsets. How about waiting till the books been read by someone able to give it a quick review on here, before making so many 'statements'.

Yep. A Crock Of shit.

I dont think people care about the book. More the two dead babies.

but whatever.

[jaffaonajappa]

I cant think of a PC way to word this.

But if a good thing can somehow result from a really bad thing.

Since the Kahui murders, the amount of child bashing and neglect has been escalated in the Media, and the 'tolerance' that many people seemed to have towards it has diminished. Greatly. But its still not enough.....

[JimO]

...oh and Ian is also my dad :corn::shit:

you should hear what John Tamahere says about your old man on the wireless

[The Singing Chef]

But that would ruin daddys book now wouldn't it? :sick:

Wow, is it that time of month? or are you always a bitch?

and i have not had the chance to see the book, and am not told any of this information since i am known to ruin a good book.

And JoJ is fuckin right, this is the bullshit behaviour that i was talking about, you can't even have a fuckin mature conversation. :whocares: wait untill the book is out and this misunderstood shit storm passes and you will realise what tools you have been.

Though to be fair, why would one look for a mature conversation on KB?

[The Singing Chef]

you should hear what John Tamahere says about your old man on the wireless

hehehehehe

[XxKiTtiExX]

Wow, is it that time of month? or are you always a bitch?




I'm always a bitch :violin:

[The Singing Chef]

I'm always a bitch :violin:

Fair enough then, as you were :finger:

[XxKiTtiExX]

Fair enough then, as you were :finger:

About as "mature" as those you complain about.

[jazfender]

And JoJ is fuckin right, this is the bullshit behaviour that i was talking about, you can't even have a fuckin mature conversation. :whocares: wait untill the book is out and this misunderstood shit storm passes and you will realise what tools you have been.

The victims here are the babies, not your fucking dad. If he didn't want the negative publicity you would OBVIOUSLY get by writing this book, then he shouldn't have accepted it.

Truth is, boycotting doesn't really work because it generates more interest and will probably end up increasing sales.

No such thing as negative publicity.

So... stop being such a little bitch and enjoy the extra pocket money. You earned it.

[jaffaonajappa]

I dont think people care about the book. More the two dead babies.

but whatever.

Your correct here, 100%.
But the OP thread was not about two murdered babies. Its about people not wanting to hear/read information they find distasteful, and forming a very strong opinion on something despite willingly blocking out 'possibly' relevant detail.

I guess everyone will look at the issue differently. I do agree - nothing should overshadow the fact that two babies were murdered, and those responsible have not yet Paid.

But for me - the thread is about censorship, mob mentality, and trying to observe how people form opinions.....

Heres the cut and past from the Blog, linked on the first page.

By James Murray
It’s not often I write a blog in the knowledge it will be particularly unpopular, but sometimes it's important to stand up for a minority viewpoint.
I just don’t agree with the sizeable number of people on Facebook calling for a boycott of the Ian Wishart/Macsyna King book.
The deaths of the Kahui twins and the ensuing trials and inquests have been a major news story in New Zealand over the past two years.
Many of the facts and details from the case are also shocking and deeply upsetting, I should know I have been sub-editing our live updates this week and have read every sad detail.
For that reason I can understand people’s anger in hearing this book is due to be released. Macsyna King’s point of view is understandably unpalatable to many.
My first problem though comes from a bit of misinformation spreading across Facebook like melted butter – that Macsyna King is being paid from this book. She is not - she will not gain financially from its publication at all. Ian Wishart has said that some proportion of book sales will go to charity.
But this misconception is not my main worry. Boycotting a book is entirely up to an individual and is easy to achieve - you just don't hand over money for it in a store, but, encouraging national stores to not stock the book and succeeding comes dangerously close to getting it banned.
How far is it from the situation we have here to large groups of people being able to persuade books or other media they do not agree with.
Information, written and spoken, is vital for us to understand our society. We learn nothing about how to stop or reduce child abuse by not listening to what Macsyna King has to say. We can make our own decision as to whether we agree with her or not, and our own decision as to whether we buy or read the book.
We talk about the wisdom of crowds and here a crowd of about 25,000 have spoken out through Facebook and two book stockists have listened.
But it is dangerous to blithely take social media as a true indication of public opinion – indeed it is dangerous to use public opinion to make decisions about what we do and don’t publish full stop.
It is increasingly easy for people to galvanise themselves online and change the world according to their vision. Depending on your own viewpoint their success or failure will be a good thing on a case-by-case basis.
People power is great, and we live in a democracy that should live to that ideal. However, one of the strengths of democracies as they are currently set up is that they protect the viewpoints of smaller groups – we do not always do what the majority of people want because sometimes their desire has an unwarranted negative affect on a smaller group.
But, popularity or unpopularity should not be a measure of a book’s appropriateness… there shouldn’t be a measure of a book’s appropriateness, except where that book somehow breaks a country’s laws. Even then there would be plenty who argue the ‘illegal’ books case.
Trying to ban this book is equivalent to burying our problems like a dog’s bone – saving them up for later. We should man-up and face them head on.
We should read the book before we judge it – and then voice our own criticism. Write to a newspaper, start up a blog, update our statuses in outrage if that is what we feel necessary.
What we shouldn’t do is to try and strangle access to information.

----

Signing Off.

[jonbuoy]

My first problem though comes from a bit of misinformation spreading across Facebook like melted butter – that Macsyna King is being paid from this book. She is not - she will not gain financially from its publication at all. Ian Wishart has said that some proportion of book sales will go to charity. http://www.3news.co.nz/Boycotting-Macsyna-King-book-is-a-dangerous-precedent/tabid/1038/articleID/216962/Default.aspx

It has been said many a time, it was said by one anonymous person that she would be making money and the tools in masses follow

Where is the rest of the money going? Is the writer giving his time for free?

[Paul in NZ]

I have a BIG problem with this book. Its defenders will tell us that its all about freedom of speech, the facts must come out, its only fair that she has her say, will shed new light yada yada yada. I dont care what she has to say now - its too fucking late for that by a long shot. The time for her and the family to have their say came and went, several times and how foolish to stir this up again. Now the mob want our say....

I'm sick to death of these socially and emotionally retarded wasters spreading their filthy genes all through society and sapping the very vitality from everything we do. I'm angry we even need to have this debate let alone waste energy on it. We have got better things to do.

It seems that from every pulpit and every webpage someone that has confessed to making mistakes but i've learnt is telling us a story. They stand there in their new shirts all gleaming with innocence and at last they have their stardom. Well fuck off - most of us never made those kinds of mistakes, we were too busy working and we didnt kill our bloody kids or get hooked on P or stab old ladies in the bloody eye, we borinly went to bloody work, paid our taxes and raised our kids as well as we could, supported the PTA and coached rugby or netball and dreamed of a better future.

Not these fuckers. Working and sobriety and loving their kids is just plain hard work eh? Well fuck the lot of them. They dont want to co operate to solve this crime, cut their fucking benefits off and lets have a parting of the ways.

(jeeze - what a rant)

In short - I'm sick to death of the whole kahui clan and everything they stand for and i think thats what people are sick of. Not just the babies but the whole damn shooting box. Use DNA testing to track down the whole clan and eradicate them.....

[White trash]

That is the point that people are trying to get across, she is not making a single cent from the book, that was a piece of false information put up by the founder of the page to most likely get votes, and that is what the whole argument is about, hence why i think a small minority of the nation is blind and deaf..

Really? She's not making a cent? Great. Is Wishart making a cent? The publishing company? To them it's a cash cow. Hoping to make their fortunes off the back of the unpunished murders of two babies. Fucking fleas. I wouldn't cross the road to piss on them if they were on fire.

[White trash]

Agreed.
Farken armchair internet experts, making a pile of assumptions and ramping up the venom, before they have even looked at the facts.

Fact. A book is about to be published on a topic many people are interested in, and most suspect theres been a massive cover-up.
Fact. Majority of the people posting have not read this book. But have made an opinion based on something already.
Fact. This is exactly the shitty attitude described at post #1 that started this thread.

Kiwis with blinkers, and unable to switch mindsets. How about waiting till the books been read by someone able to give it a quick review on here, before making so many 'statements'.

Yep. A Crock Of shit.

I don't give a fuck about the book. What's in it, that it was written, who wrote it, who's side it portrays, who's implicated. I don't give a rats arse.

TWO BABIES WERE MURDERED and a bunch of greedy cunts are profitting from it.

Mr Wishart says "some" proceeds will go to charity? How very fucking noble. How about, every single cent of profit goes to prevention of child abuse charity?

[PrincessBandit]

The only bad publicity in the media circus is no publicity. In a few years time the whole thing will have blown over and the book will probably end up in the Warehouse in the specials bin.

It's just too bad that the victims of these crimes (see also Clayton stab-my-gf-to-death-psycho) have been the catalyst, and the truly grieving and innocent family members remain collateral damage in the "fight" for freedom of speech and money making.

[Grubber]

Agreed.
Farken armchair internet experts, making a pile of assumptions and ramping up the venom, before they have even looked at the facts.

Fact. A book is about to be published on a topic many people are interested in, and most suspect theres been a massive cover-up.
Fact. Majority of the people posting have not read this book. But have made an opinion based on something already.
Fact. This is exactly the shitty attitude described at post #1 that started this thread.

Kiwis with blinkers, and unable to switch mindsets. How about waiting till the books been read by someone able to give it a quick review on here, before making so many 'statements'.

Yep. A Crock Of shit.

It;s been through the courts and i think we have all the relevant info. Points strongly to the family ALL having some kind of involvement. A deep hole would suffice in this instance and no, i don't need to read a hearsay book to come to my conclusions.


I dont think people care about the book. More the two dead babies.

but whatever.

Profiting from the publication doesn't bring them back to life aye!
Putting the scum who caused it in the big hole i spoke off brings some kind of justice though.

My views on this are that this woman should have been right out there pointing fingers at the get go and only then would justice have been met. To come out now and have it all said in a hearsay book is reprehensible. Ian Wishart is a crock and always will be. Never spent any time reading any of his crap and never will.
His pockets will grow heavy with dirty money and he bears no guilt doing it.

[Maha]

The Publisher/Writer and the twins mother obviously thought this book would sell well other wise it would not have got past the 'thought' stage.

What all three failed to clearly see and recognise is that the twins mother is loathed and in some cases, guilty (even in part) for the death of her babies.

Paper Plus/The Warehouse wont be selling the book, maybe one or two other stores will follow that lead.
As for 'Woman Mags' running with the idea?...I doubt that will happen.
Not after the events of this book launch.

[Genestho]

Normally you'd think it's in extremely poor taste and judgement to release a book while the inquest is on?

However - I'm picking Mr Wishart knows damned well infact more than most - that controversy sells, I doubt very much that he didn't see this coming, particularly in terms of timing.
So, he has gained way more than the books worth in publicity.

We all know there's been ample time and investigations to release any evidence or exercise 'freedom of speech' in the judicial domains, where it was required.

As for creating social awareness through the story? It's like the new black, I screwed up, I've changed - learn from my mistakes.

No thanks - I don't require tips on how to neglect or abuse my child in various ways and fail to provide basic fundamental care.

I don't care what's gone on, nor why or how it got that way - we've heard it all before, nor why old or new evidence hasn't made it to the investigation.

What I care about is justice for those babies. And I doubt we'll see it.

Seems like a sick reality show, except, perhaps Kiwi's that are particpitating - have had a real guts full of child abuse, maybe this is the tipping point for a moment.

I love to read, so am stoked that I can still purchase books from the Warehouse and Paperplus. Mint.:sunny:

[boostin]

Really? She's not making a cent? Great. Is Wishart making a cent? The publishing company? To them it's a cash cow.

Funny because Wishart has his own publishing company. So the author takes his cut, the publisher takes a cut (Wishart) and what ever is left over goes to charity?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Wishart

[Pussy]

Macsyna King's "voice"? Pffft!

The voices we should be hearing are the ones of two innocent babies. And that will never happen.

Wishart and King can go fuck themselves.

[Fatt Max]

What I care about is justice for those babies. And I doubt we'll see it.

and that is the saddest part of this whole fiasco

and it must never happen again

We can only hope

[Swoop]

Paper Plus/The Warehouse wont be selling the book, maybe one or two other stores will follow that lead.
That is good to see. The retailer can stock whatever they wish and hopefully more will do the same.

"Banning the book" is a bad idea.
As for freedom of speech. Everyone must have this right unequivically locked in stone, in a "quasi democratic" country like ours, to write and publish.

[Paul in NZ]

The irony in this is that the supporters of the book are claiming the FB page against the book the death of free speech?

Actually - with the advent of social media, its now not just people with publishing companies and $$ that can be heard, us, the great unwashed finally have a vehicle with which we CAN speak. And that voice is very definately saying fuck off back into your hole we dont want to bloody know about you, your friggin family or any thing else you child neglecting scum.... Call us a lynch mob if you want but in this case I think you would find its a very very big one....

Seems pretty free to me.... Its just some people dont really like the public having a say do they?

[Deano]

How do we know a trust hasn't been set up for Macsyna's share of the profit. Therefore "she" isn't actually getting a cent.

Just putting it out there.

In any case, its not the money issue that irks me.

[Katman]

How do we know a trust hasn't been set up for Macsyna's share of the profit.

I'm sure even then they would find a way to use it for piss and drugs.

[Str8 Jacket]

Very interesting....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5212960/Ex-boyfriend-Macsyna-said-I-did-it

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm sure even then they would find a way to use it for piss and drugs.

And knuckle dusters!

[Oscar]

Tricky one, this.

I don't want to see someone profit from such a story, but we need to defend our right to free speech.

I suppose the irony is that the anti-book lobby is only exercising their right to freedom of speech (by trying to infringe our right to freedom of speech).

So sell the book, however when all is said and done, based on Wishart's earlier efforts - I won't be buying the book.

[White trash]

but we need to defend our right to free speech.

Start a blog.

[Ronin]

Do I care about what happened to 2 innocent kids? Yeah.

Do I really need or want to hear anything else about it, least of all from those involved? Nah

If I were a book seller then I would have a troubling time selling this and making a profit off it. But to those that can, good on 'em. Free world and everything.

[Katman]

See, what I can't figure out is, does Ian Wishart expect us to take what Macsyna King says as gospel? Does he even take what she says as gospel?

If he doesn't (as I would suspect anyone with an ounce of intelligence doesn't) then of what value is the book other than the profit that will line Ian Wishart's pocket?

[avgas]

Agreed.
Farken armchair internet experts.....
Waaaa waaa waaa.
What did you honestly expect here?

Honestly some people on the internet expect it to to be so much better than the real world. Fuck knows where they get that idea from. Same people, same shit, different medium.

[jaffaonajappa]

Waaaa waaa waaa.
What did you honestly expect here?

Honestly some people on the internet expect it to to be so much better than the real world. Fuck knows where they get that idea from. Same people, same shit, different medium.

Sad to say...it appears you are right.

[Brian d marge]

oh dont worry about that .... The stupids also have a vote , and that fks up EVERYONES day

Stephen

[jonbuoy]

If they had said ANY profit from the booksellers and publishers was to go to a children's charity and no-one else would be making a cent would there be such an outcry? Is it really about the truth or is it about making a quick buck?

[jaffaonajappa]

If they had said ANY profit from the booksellers and publishers was to go to a children's charity and no-one else would be making a cent would there be such an outcry? Is it really about the truth or is it about making a quick buck?


Yes, same outcry. It was started by some clever slanting of the trooooths on facebook, and escalated from there.

People were / are not interested in the facts about her being paid...they made their stance early in the piece after hearing she would recieve monies.

Urban Legend stuff almost...and an example of the new era of FB Marketing.

[Wannabiker]

It will be just like "Once were warriors" but with the names changed.

[Katman]

Is Christine Rankin retarded as well?

She thinks everyone should read the book because she thinks there's a whole lot of us that don't realise these sorts of families exist.

I think the entire New Zealand public were made abundantly aware of the trash that exists in our country right from the first day that this whole abhorrence errupted.

[jazfender]

Yes, same outcry. It was started by some clever slanting of the trooooths on facebook, and escalated from there.

People were / are not interested in the facts about her being paid...they made their stance early in the piece after hearing she would recieve monies.

Regardless of whether she is paid or not, the fact that anybody is making money off this is sick.

A boycott does not infringe on free speech, it's a product of it. You have the choice to buy the book or not.

[jaffaonajappa]

I think the entire New Zealand public were made abundantly aware of the trash that exists in our country right from the first day that this whole abhorance errupted.

And yet...the atrocities continue. Daily.....some of our nations kids are getting Bashed by their 'parents'.

And I support smacking. But we still have Bashing happening in NZ - despite the recent media.

[James Deuce]

And yet...the atrocities continue. Daily.....some of our nations kids are getting Bashed by their 'parents'.

And I support smacking. But we still have Bashing happening in NZ - despite the recent media.

Yes and the bashers are the ones who won't read the book, let alone an Internet forum, because they can't read.

Stop pissing off the people who get it and have formed an opinion based on the deaths of two babies and go foster some kids from Tokoroa.

[jaffaonajappa]

A boycott does not infringe on free speech, it's a product of it. You have the choice to buy the book or not.

You are quite right....some of our bookstores will Not Buckle to the mob, and will make the book available.

And Nope, Im not going to read it....but im looking forward to some critical reviews of it - and if it does have any 'relevant' detail not yet published by the general media circus.

And as posted or linked earlier....new testimony came out today, King at one stage is said to have admited guilt....?

[jaffaonajappa]

Yes and the bashers are the ones who won't read the book, let alone an Internet forum, because they can't read.

Stop pissing off the people who get it and have formed an opinion based on the deaths of two babies and go foster some kids from Tokoroa.

Being Angry about two babies being murdered doesnt seem to have stopped others from continuing the abuse.
Perhaps we need more than blind anger.?

[Katman]

And yet...the atrocities continue. Daily.....some of our nations kids are getting Bashed by their 'parents'.



And you think this book is going to change any of that?

[jaffaonajappa]

And you think this book is going to change any of that?

No. Im just generally peeved at what I perceive to be a mob mentality running rampant.

So. Im heading off for a nice evening bike ride. Laters!

[Katman]

No. Im just generally peeved at what I perceive to be a mob mentality running rampant.


I'm generally not a fan of lynch mobs either but every so often the mob gets it right.

[Pussy]

If Wishart and King are so passionate about "getting the truth out", they should put it on a blog.
But that wouldn't give either of them an arse-pocket full of cash though....

I have been buying Investigate magazine for years. That is now past tense.

[Motig]

I've got to add my 2c worth here. The fact that this book has surfaced at the same time as the Coroners hearing is to me reprehensible and shows no feelings for the two murdered children. It does show an attempt to cash in on the media frenzy tho because this is the sort of book that has a very limited shelf life so appears to have been released to make the most of the free advertising. The cries of freedom of the press, and her story must be told cut no ice its just an attempt to hide the morals of those responsible for the book. Shame on them.

[Woodman]

The irony in this is that the supporters of the book are claiming the FB page against the book the death of free speech?

Actually - with the advent of social media, its now not just people with publishing companies and $$ that can be heard, us, the great unwashed finally have a vehicle with which we CAN speak. And that voice is very definately saying fuck off back into your hole we dont want to bloody know about you, your friggin family or any thing else you child neglecting scum.... Call us a lynch mob if you want but in this case I think you would find its a very very big one....

Seems pretty free to me.... Its just some people dont really like the public having a say do they?

Yes both sides are exercising free speech equally, but wishart seems to think that his free speech is more equal than others.

[Indiana_Jones]

If I were to boycott a book I won't buy it. But to demand that no one else does or no one stock it is a bit too much for myself.

I'd imagine some people would rather no shops and libraries stock 'Mein kampf' or that I be allowed to read it.....

No one is making you buy it.

Wouldn't be the first book about a death, Pierrepoint made a profit of his 500ish hangings....

-Indy

[FJRider]

I've got to add my 2c worth here. The fact that this book has surfaced at the same time as the Coroners hearing is to me reprehensible and shows no feelings for the two murdered children. It does show an attempt to cash in on the media frenzy tho because this is the sort of book that has a very limited shelf life so appears to have been released to make the most of the free advertising. The cries of freedom of the press, and her story must be told cut no ice its just an attempt to hide the morals of those responsible for the book. Shame on them.

Depends WHO is getting the cash ...

I would think publishing expenses are taken out of revenue gained through sales of the book, with remainder to charity ... ???

One of the few times I hope "charitys" miss out ...

[Swoop]

but wishart seems to think that his free speech...
His speech isn't free. It comes with a pricetag of whatever his book retails for in $$$'s.
If he is that "passionate" he could (as stated previously in this thread) post it on the web.
It appears that he is only interested in keeping his name in the public arena though, via free publicity.

[The Singing Chef]

Alrighty...

Where to start? So i will start with the profits subject.

The book has been wholly funded by Ian Wishart, the cost to publish said book is over $40,000 at a rough estimate. Any profit from this book goes straight into recuperating this huge loss in finances, most books will break about even, it is the bookstores that get the majority of the profit. So in a nutshell, Ian will not be making any profit, he will be balancing costs and then putting the rest off(if any) into charity.

Second point:

This whole little bitchy "lynch mop, Pmsing bunch of fucktards have built their whole base of hatred on bullshit started by a dickhead who bent the truth.
So very mis-guided, and pretty fucking pointless to tell you the truth, you may all think that you are standing up for the good of the twins and child abuse and the fucking virgin mary if you really want, but at the end of the day you are protesting on false information, as said in the most current interview " The book was not supposed to be released at this point in time, it was a sneaky little bookstore who sent off the flyer that is sent to every bookstore before books come out, to tvnz who then ran a story on it at this most inopportune time, so it was not his idea to release at this point in time, i mean the book isn't even finished yet.

As a child i was brought up on the basis of, dont judge a book by it's cover, and it is a saying that has worked well for me in the past. But it seems that quite a few Nzers have never heard of this expression and decide to be prematurely idiotic. All questions that have been asked on Hatebook and here are described in the book in detail.

Read the book (or not) before you judge it, if then after you have read it and don't like it then fine, or if you don't want to spend the money, then wait for a review of the book to see what it's all about.

[Laava]

Alrighty...

Where to start? So i will start with the profits subject.

The book has been wholly funded by Ian Wishart, the cost to publish said book is over $40,000 at a rough estimate. Any profit from this book goes straight into recuperating this huge loss in finances, most books will break about even, it is the bookstores that get the majority of the profit. So in a nutshell, Ian will not be making any profit, he will be balancing costs and then putting the rest off(if any) into charity.

Second point:

This whole little bitchy "lynch mop, Pmsing bunch of fucktards have built their whole base of hatred on bullshit started by a dickhead who bent the truth.
So very mis-guided, and pretty fucking pointless to tell you the truth, you may all think that you are standing up for the good of the twins and child abuse and the fucking virgin mary if you really want, but at the end of the day you are protesting on false information, as said in the most current interview " The book was not supposed to be released at this point in time, it was a sneaky little bookstore who sent off the flyer that is sent to every bookstore before books come out, to tvnz who then ran a story on it at this most inopportune time, so it was not his idea to release at this point in time, i mean the book isn't even finished yet.

As a child i was brought up on the basis of, dont judge a book by it's cover, and it is a saying that has worked well for me in the past. But it seems that quite a few Nzers have never heard of this expression and decide to be prematurely idiotic. All questions that have been asked on Hatebook and here are described in the book in detail.

Read the book (or not) before you judge it, if then after you have read it and don't like it then fine, or if you don't want to spend the money, then wait for a review of the book to see what it's all about.

What did you expect to hear? You start a thread about a very controversial subject and then whinge about all the negative feedback? Grow up FFS!

[The Singing Chef]

What did you expect to hear? You start a thread about a very controversial subject and then whinge about all the negative feedback? Grow up FFS!

Whinging? fuck you are whinging at me! and i realized that there would be alot of controversy about this thread, i am simply clearing up facts that people seem to "miss" as they bleat on about shit.

Simple really.

Oh and did'nt anybody tell you..I'm a big boy now!!

[jazfender]

You haven't cleared up shit, really.

[Katman]

i am simply clearing up facts that people seem to "miss" as they bleat on about shit.


Nah, you're just parroting your old man's bullshit.

[James Deuce]

We're not judging the book by its cover but by its subject mater - a cowardly woman from a cowardly family who have been allowed to pervert the course of justice without punishment, for reasons that are utterly, transparently, pathetic.

No one wants to hear Macsyna King's story. It wouldn't matter who wrote it, it would get the same reception.

This isn't a free speech issue. What is being expressed is an aversion to repulsive subject matter that will ultimately do nothing to serve Justice or "The Public Interest".

There is no hope of this book "saving" other infants from being beaten to death.

This is simply profiteering from the death of two babies. It's sad to see Mr Wishart sink this low.

[Oblivion]

We're not judging the book by its cover but by its subject mater - a cowardly woman from a cowardly family who have been allowed to pervert the course of justice without punishment, for reasons that are utterly, transparently, pathetic.

No one wants to hear Macsyna King's story. It wouldn't matter who wrote it, it would get the same reception.

This isn't a free speech issue. What is being expressed is an aversion to repulsive subject matter that will ultimately do nothing to serve Justice or "The Public Interest".

There is no hope of this book "saving" other infants from being beaten to death.

This is simply profiteering from the death of two babies. It's sad to see Mr Wishart sink this low.

Exactly. Green Rep for you good sir.

[The Singing Chef]

We're not judging the book by its cover but by its subject mater - a cowardly woman from a cowardly family who have been allowed to pervert the course of justice without punishment, for reasons that are utterly, transparently, pathetic.

No one wants to hear Macsyna King's story. It wouldn't matter who wrote it, it would get the same reception.

This isn't a free speech issue. What is being expressed is an aversion to repulsive subject matter that will ultimately do nothing to serve Justice or "The Public Interest".

There is no hope of this book "saving" other infants from being beaten to death.

This is simply profiteering from the death of two babies. It's sad to see Mr Wishart sink this low.

But he isn't profiteering off it, and this is a story from the woman who was never have believed by the police as to doing it, they had no interest in her. The guy who was charged for it got off only by casting reasonable doubt!

[Headbanger]

We're not judging the book by its cover but by its subject mater - a cowardly woman from a cowardly family who have been allowed to pervert the course of justice without punishment, for reasons that are utterly, transparently, pathetic.

No one wants to hear Macsyna King's story. It wouldn't matter who wrote it, it would get the same reception.

This isn't a free speech issue. What is being expressed is an aversion to repulsive subject matter that will ultimately do nothing to serve Justice or "The Public Interest".

There is no hope of this book "saving" other infants from being beaten to death.

This is simply profiteering from the death of two babies. It's sad to see Mr Wishart sink this low.

Thats what I would have said if I was an intelligent fucker.

Awesome work. The "system" wont let me green rep you again.Fuckers.

Now back to me.

If we had shot the fucking whore way back when then instead of this discussion about some worthless piece of shit book we would be high-fiving each other, chugging beers, and celebrating our awesomeness.

we can still fix it, we just need to shoot the bitch, and her entire family, and every other piece of shit that was in the house that night.

[Brian d marge]

Is Christine Rankin retarded as well?

She thinks everyone should read the book because she thinks there's a whole lot of us that don't realise these sorts of families exist.

I think the entire New Zealand public were made abundantly aware of the trash that exists in our country right from the first day that this whole abhorrence errupted.
and it was rankine who helped create the mess

Stephen

[avgas]

Is Christine Rankin retarded as well?
Retard - no she is too sly for that.
Lets just call her a silly little bint.

[avgas]

Alrighty...

middle part....

Read the book (or not) before you judge it, if then after you have read it and don't like it then fine, or if you don't want to spend the money, then wait for a review of the book to see what it's all about.

Sorry still not selling me the concept that I should read a book about how 2 kids died in the care of their caregivers.........

Mind due I was never a fan of titanic either. Something about knowing the end of the story that puts me off those types of books.

May be I will watch the movie.

[Str8 Jacket]

But he isn't profiteering off it

Um, I highly doubt he did this at his own expense and "out of the goodness of his own heart". He did it to make money and cause controversy.

[Elysium]

Hopefuly the book doesn't sell, I could use cheap fuel for my wood burner.

[Maha]

That loser Uru Chocknob was asked in court during cross examination '' so Macsyna didn't actually say that killed the twins did she''?

he answer was...''no''.

he answerd no because....that was truth, Macsyna didn't say those words..

She said to him..........'Chris didnt do it, I did''.

In a court of law in front of a Jury that question would throw doubt on a key issue.

[Laava]

We could hook her up with Clayton Weatherston?

[oneofsix]

That loser Uru Chocknob was asked in court during cross examination '' so Macsyna didn't actually say that killed the twins did she''?

he answer was...''no''.

he answerd no because....that was truth, Macsyna didn't say those words..

She said to him..........'Chris didnt do it, I did''.

In a court of law in front of a Jury that question would throw doubt on a key issue.

What a :weird: way to word the question in court. By wording it as a negative question he could also have therefore been answering no as in "no, you are wrong" i.e. she did say that.

Either way Wishart is trying to profit from the controversy, hence it been released during the inquest and his stirring the pot. She is guilty of at least assisting the murder of her own twins if not doing the crime. If it was a completely independent investigation then I might be interested but involving someone who aided and abetted the criminal (possibly herself) it should be boycotted.

[trustme]

Well this sure stirred up the natives.
No, I won't read the book. I don't believe a word that woman says.
The book stores can chose to sell whatever they like , it has nothing to do with censorship, maybe it is more a reflection of the public disgust with this whole sorry saga.
Rankins motives are right but this is the wrong vehicle to get the message across, it is only one side of the story & I suspect a rather self serving version.

I have known a member of the Kahui family for more than 25 years, that person is quite closely related & knows all the people involved but was not in any way involved or present when things went pear shaped. For many years I have said if upbringing was relevant to criminal behaviour this person should be an axe murderer.

I have no more knowledge of the incident than anyone else. What I can say is that parts of that family have been dysfunctional for years. There has been alcohol abuse, violence, criminal behaviour & CYFS intervention or whatever you want to call it for 50 years .

The person I know had a childhood that does not bare thinking about, he is somewhat rough around the edges but he does not steal , hit women or kids, break the law. He knows right from wrong.

The book needed to look at the whole story & examine the history behind these people to have any credibility. Most would not have the stomach for it.


[ " Yeah Bro , my mum tried to make me go out & steal the local milk money so she could go to the pub & find a new uncle. Gave me a huah of a hiding when I said no it's stealing. I never let that bitch see me cry though. Fuckin bitch " ]

Edit The Kahui's don't believe Chris did it.

[Maha]

What a :weird: way to word the question in court. By wording it as a negative question he could also have therefore been answering no as in "no, you are wrong" i.e. she did say that.

Either way Wishart is trying to profit from the controversy, hence it been released during the inquest and his stirring the pot. She is guilty of at least assisting the murder of her own twins if not doing the crime. If it was a completely independent investigation then I might be interested but involving someone who aided and abetted the criminal (possibly herself) it should be boycotted.

He was/is a waste of time and he no credibility in a court of law.
That being said, a Jury takes instruction from the Judge on any particular question in a courtroom.
I was on a jury once, class B drug case.
Charge was...dealing
The bloke had snap lock bags/small set of scales/brown wage envelopes/ a large sum of money in a briefcase and was seen with drugs at a party in the eastern BOP.
We let him go.
Why?...the crown's case was weak.
Its amazing how your mind can change with each question asked while sitting on a Jury.

[oneofsix]

He was/is a waste of time and he no credibility in a court of law.
That being said, a Jury takes instruction from the Judge on any particular question in a courtroom.
I was on a jury once, class B drug case.
Charge was...dealing
The bloke had snap lock bags/small set of scales/brown wage envelopes/ a large sum of money in a briefcase and was seen with drugs at a party in the eastern BOP.
We let him go.
Why?...the crown's case was weak.
Its amazing how your mind can change with each question asked while sitting on a Jury.

and why we can't judge the merits of a case by what is reported, but boy we love to try. Our love of trying is what keeps the media and the likes of Wishart in business.
If Wishart had just put an article in his magazine I wouldn't find it so offensive, or would I have??? yeah on second thoughts I would have but the booksellers would have been able to avoid having to decide to stock it. If you already stock the mag then you aren't going to not likely to not stock one issue because of a story.

[Swoop]

The question has to be asked: Will this book be in the fiction or non-fiction section of bookstores and libraries?

I enjoy moving Kate McCanns' book to the "murder mystery" section of Whitcoulls.


This whole little bitchy "lynch mop
What? Do we have to dip our mops in petrol to light them now? My flaming torch works quite well and counter balances my pitchfork quite nicely!


...dont judge a book by it's cover...
The saying "don't judge a book by its movie" is also relevant. Hopefully a movie will not be forthcoming on this insult to NZ society.

[Banditbandit]

Sorry still not selling me the concept that I should read a book about how 2 kids died in the care of their caregivers.........



How do you know that's what the book is about? You haven't read it and you're making a massive leap to that ... and if that IS what it is about .. how can you blame a woman who was not there ?

[XxKiTtiExX]

how can you blame a woman who was not there ?

So she wasn't present for the whole 2 weeks leading up to their death? Where mind you, they managed to miraculously sustain broken ribs.

A child that "stops breathing" and has "eyes rolling." Isn't taken immediately to the closest hospital? (by the father mind you.)

Meanwhile you stop in at McD's on the way to the hospital when the children would obviously be needing medical attention as soon as possible?? Hello???????????:facepalm:

At the end of the day both parents are as guilty as each other when it comes to failing to provide the necessities of life. BOTH parents deserve to be locked up, maximum penalty for failing to do so.

Who in their right mind would want to read a book based on what comes out of that piece of gutter trash. Plain and simple.

[jaffaonajappa]

Who in their right mind would want to read a book based on what comes out of that piece of gutter trash. Plain and simple.

All agencies that are trying to figure out How we can stop this from occurring in future.
ok. would prefer a professionals opinion based on lenghty 'therapy' (whilst she was incarcerated) - but failing that - anything that could explain anything about this disaster is needed.

I know I dont yet know Sweet Fuck All about how/why/who. Other than what is being regurgitated on this thread and in most media. And I want to find out. Rather than spew my anger and hatred all over the net.

But this thread is pointless. Its going round and round....with no middle ground. Its a topic that cuts to the heart.

So Im /quitting the thread. Will look it up some time after anything new comes out from the coroner or media.

[Katman]

how can you blame a woman who was not there ?

The "I shut my eyes, stuck my fingers in my ears and went LAH, LAH, LAH, LAH" defense might wash with the piss weak justice system that this country is saddled with but thankfully the general public isn't so easily fooled.

[Headbanger]

All agencies that are trying to figure out How we can stop this from occurring in future.


Shoot the bitch before she breeds again.

[Banditbandit]

The "I shut my eyes, stuck my fingers in my ears and went LAH, LAH, LAH, LAH" defense might wash with the piss weak justice system that this country is saddled with but thankfully the general public isn't so easily fooled.

I'd never agrue that she was an angel - but she was not in the house when the twins were injured and died ... and the police have never suspected her of being responsible for their deaths ...

[Katman]

I'd never agrue that she was an angel - but she was not in the house when the twins were injured and died ... and the police have never suspected her of being responsible for their deaths ...

If she'd been as open with her information to the police as she appears to have been with Ian Wishart then maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion.

And if she'd shown even the barest resemblance to a mother the whole incident may never have happened.

[James Deuce]

I'd never agrue that she was an angel - but she was not in the house when the twins were injured and died ... and the police have never suspected her of being responsible for their deaths ...

Got proof of that or just the family provided alibi that somehow stood up in court?

[Bald Eagle]

If she'd been as open with her information to the police as she appears to have been with Ian Wishart then maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion.

And if the family weren't iwi none of this would be happening.

[boostin]

Alrighty...

Where to start? So i will start with the profits subject.

The book has been wholly funded by Ian Wishart, the cost to publish said book is over $40,000 at a rough estimate.

So the publisher charged about $40,000 to publish the book?

Was it published by Howling At The Moon Publishing Ltd?

[The Singing Chef]

If she'd been as open with her information to the police as she appears to have been with Ian Wishart then maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion.

And if she'd shown even the barest resemblance to a mother the whole incident may never have happened.

How do you know what she has told the police and what she hasn't? were you there reading every transcribe? she has been co-operating with the police for years, that is why they don't suspect her, and yes it is around $40,000 to publish, it is published under the name of howling at the moon, is there a problem with that?

[Str8 Jacket]

How do you know what she has told the police and what she hasn't?

How do you? How do you know that she didn't do it?

[boostin]

and yes it is around $40,000 to publish, it is published under the name of howling at the moon, is there a problem with that?

No problem with it just wanted to make sure everyone knows that the $40,000 for publishing is being paid to Howling at the Moon publishing which is owned by Ian Wishart. Also be interesting to know if the publishing company is charging full rates or only at cost? I have no idea what is involved in publishing a book, just want everything to be transparent.

[neels]

How do you? How do you know that she didn't do it?
'cos that's what she told his dad, and there's no reason to think she's telling lies, is there?

At the end of the day, 2 babies were killed. The family closed ranks and provided little enough information/enough misinformation to ensure nobody was convicted.

Now she is telling her version of 'the truth', conveniently written by someone else so it's hearsay and presumably not admissable as evidence, to what end only she knows

If she'd given a shit about the welfare of her children they might not be dead. If the family had the decency to tell the police the truth it would have been resolved long ago.

So some people don't care what she has to say, and others are really pissed off seeing her face on the news, when still nobody has been held accountable for the death of her children by her family.

People huh?

[Deano]

One of the best posts/summations thus far neels !!

[The Singing Chef]

Because there are documents describing so, everything she has said has been cross-referenced with said reports etc. And yes the $40K or how ever much it ends up turning into, is straight onto the costs that have been lost, paying staff to pack etc, each book is couriered to the house, etc..

[The Singing Chef]

Anyway, this is completley off topic!! This is supposed to be about the amazingly disturbing behaviour of New Zealand. How about we get back on track yea. cause this will roll in circles till the book is released and we get a review on it

[Str8 Jacket]

Because there are documents describing so, everything she has said has been cross-referenced with said reports etc. And yes the $40K or how ever much it ends up turning into, is straight onto the costs that have been lost, paying staff to pack etc, each book is couriered to the house, etc..

We have documented evidence right in front of us that you're a bit of a twat. But I am guessing your opinion would be different, eh! ;)

I personally have an issue with what your daddy is doing. He is making money off something vile and that's not just that bitch Macsyna I am talking about.

[Deano]

Anyway, this is completley off topic!! This is supposed to be about the amazingly disturbing behaviour of New Zealand. How about we get back on track yea. cause this will roll in circles till the book is released and we get a review on it

Did your dad put those words in your mouth ?

I think the general consensus here is that no one wants to hear or read what she has to say about it.

[Oscar]

Anyway, this is completley off topic!! This is supposed to be about the amazingly disturbing behaviour of New Zealand. How about we get back on track yea. cause this will roll in circles till the book is released and we get a review on it

I don't see how this behaviour is "disturbing".
Public opinion is firmly against this family (and it’s unusually well informed public opinion ‎after one trial and one inquest), so why do expect any other reaction? ‎

[The Singing Chef]

We have documented evidence right in front of us that you're a bit of a twat. But I am guessing your opinion would be different, eh! ;)

I personally have an issue with what your daddy is doing. He is making money off something vile and that's not just that bitch Macsyna I am talking about.

Fuck you have to be thick, so all you can say is that he is making money, where it has been said time and time again that he will only be covering the costs of the book then the rest to charity. But hang on, your the one that's sitting in the crowd of "i make judgements before i see the facts" that just proves that your more so of a twat. My opinion has nothing to do with my Dad, look at the 1st post, that's what i am ranting about. Whether or not people choose to read the book, thats fine, but being a thick ass mother fucker who makes decisions based on an incorrect facebook page, well that's just a little bit special hey :weird:

[Str8 Jacket]

Fuck you have to be thick, so all you can say is that he is making money, where it has been said time and time again that he will only be covering the costs of the book then the rest to charity. But hang on, your the one that's sitting in the crowd of "i make judgements before i see the facts" that just proves that your more so of a twat. My opinion has nothing to do with my Dad, look at the 1st post, that's what i am ranting about. Whether or not people choose to read the book, thats fine, but being a thick ass mother fucker who makes decisions based on an incorrect facebook page, well that's just a little bit special hey :weird:

:facepalm:

<myemotionalwaaah>

[The Singing Chef]

Did your dad put those words in your mouth ?

I think the general consensus here is that no one wants to hear or read what she has to say about it.

What's with all these "dad" references? are you all that immature or only a select few?

Yes he is my dad, now grow up and move on.

And you don't see people threatening to burn down bookstores based on their decisions and the amount of violent posts disturbing?
The only reason i can think of you thinking like that is that you are joining in in the large amount of abuse.

[The Singing Chef]

:motu::yes:
:facepalm:

<myemotionalwaaah>

[Str8 Jacket]

Awesome, we haven't had a good friday night piss drinking thread in like aaaaages! :D

[Str8 Jacket]

I would also ask that the mods bring back tags, just for this thread and just for tonight. Just for my entertainment really.

*brings vodka over to computer*

[Deano]

What's with all these "dad" references? are you all that immature or only a select few?

Yes he is my dad, now grow up and move on.

And you don't see people threatening to burn down bookstores based on their decisions and the amount of violent posts disturbing?
The only reason i can think of you thinking like that is that you are joining in in the large amount of abuse.

The dad references may just be an indication of your bias on the issues perhaps ?

It's a valid factor in your thread.

Please don't resort to personal abuse about my maturity. It's unfounded.

I don't condone any burning of bookstores so don't sidetrack my comments. That's just a smokescreen and shows you have an agenda. (Your bias)

[Headbanger]

What the fuck?????????

This is an outrage!!!!!!!!!!!


When were tags removed????


Fuck fuck fuck. The world is fucked.

[neels]

it is the bookstores that get the majority of the profit.


And you don't see people threatening to burn down bookstores based on their decisions and the amount of violent posts disturbing?

So it would seem the anger is being aimed in the right direction then?

And you do seem to know an awful lot about the content of a book that isn't finished yet, and you claim not to have read..........

[Str8 Jacket]

What the fuck?????????

This is an outrage!!!!!!!!!!!


When were tags removed????


Fuck fuck fuck. The world is fucked.

I know. Someone should really write a book about it......

[Headbanger]

What's with all these "dad" references?.

Uh the fact he is your dad is what motivated you to create this discussion.

In case you haven't noticed not only does no one share your point of view, But they can see right through you.

[boostin]

Fuck you have to be thick, so all you can say is that he is making money, where it has been said time and time again that he will only be covering the costs of the book then the rest to charity. But hang on, your the one that's sitting in the crowd of "i make judgements before i see the facts" that just proves that your more so of a twat. My opinion has nothing to do with my Dad, look at the 1st post, that's what i am ranting about. Whether or not people choose to read the book, thats fine, but being a thick ass mother fucker who makes decisions based on an incorrect facebook page, well that's just a little bit special hey :weird:

Well he might not be making money anymore, I believe he set out to make some money initially. I also believe the publishing company will make some money, and Ian Wishart owns it. That's just what I think.

[The Singing Chef]

The dad references may just be an indication of your bias on the issues perhaps ?

It's a valid factor in your thread.

Please don't resort to personal abuse about my maturity. It's unfounded.

I don't condone any burning of bookstores so don't sidetrack my comments. That's just a smokescreen and shows you have an agenda. (Your bias)

The burning of the bookstores was to another post but couldn't be arsed linking it.

And i have said before that the fact he is my dad has nothing to do with it, this is all about the behavior of Nzers and the inability to see anything other than what they want to see.

[Headbanger]

I know. Someone should really write a book about it......

I'll get my dad to do it.

[Str8 Jacket]

Read this story:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10735543

Quote from Daddykins:
"He said the boycott would affect him financially but there would be a larger impact on the book chains."

[The Singing Chef]

Well he might not be making money anymore, I believe he set out to make some money initially. I also believe the publishing company will make some money, and Ian Wishart owns it. That's just what I think.

The publishing company is what he has put his dollars into, and that is what will be compensated for when any money comes back from the book, and at the end of the day, you will believe what you will regardless of what anyone says about his motives.

Time shall tell

[jaffaonajappa]

In case you haven't noticed not only does no one share your point of view, But they can see right through you.

ahhh, I cant help myself....

There may well be a lot of people who agree with (some of) his POV.
They just arent posting at this point in time...

[Headbanger]

ahhh, I cant help myself....

There may well be a lot of people who agree with (some of) his POV.
They just arent posting at this point in time...

Then they can't be counted.

[The Singing Chef]

ahhh, I cant help myself....

There may well be a lot of people who agree with (some of) his POV.
They just arent posting at this point in time...

When the post had first started a couple had shared my views until the angry mob came along.

And headbanger i didn't realise i was see-thru? i thought that only happened in comics and the movies?

[Headbanger]

The publishing company is what he has put his dollars into, and that is what will be compensated for when any money comes back from the book, and at the end of the day, you will believe what you will regardless of what anyone says about his motives.

Time shall tell

Talking to people like they are stupid only works when the people are stupid.

The book is a commercial venture, It was timed to coincide with whats going on with the case right now, and the backlash was expected to help with the launch.

the author has already transferred 40 grand between companies in anticipation of success.

If you don't want to wake up with fleas, don't lie down with niggers.

[Headbanger]

And headbanger i didn't realise i was see-thru? i thought that only happened in comics and the movies?

100 percent see through.

[The Singing Chef]

100 percent see through.

So i can talk to you like an idiot then, cool thanks for clarifying that.

Ok so it has been said that a bookstore leaked the info sheet that gets sent to every bookstore before a launch of any book, to TVNZ who then created the story on this subject! The book isn't even finished and there were more people that Ian had wanted to interview, so it was more the Medias timing than anything.

[Str8 Jacket]

Do you call your dad Ian or dad to his face?

[The Singing Chef]

Do you call your dad Ian or dad to his face?

Sorry what's that got to do with anything?

[Katman]

Ok so it has been said that a bookstore leaked the info sheet that gets sent to every bookstore before a launch of any book, to TVNZ who then created the story on this subject!

You really are naive, aren't you?

[The Singing Chef]

You really are naive, aren't you?

na not really a

[Str8 Jacket]

Sorry what's that got to do with anything?

I'm writing a book.

[The Singing Chef]

I'm writing a book.

Haha...your funny you are, fuck i am wasting my time on here when i should be out in the beautiful weather Auckland is having. Till we meet again :scooter:

[Grant`]

Haha...your funny you are, fuck i am wasting my time on here when i should be out in the beautiful weather Auckland is having. Till we meet again :scooter:


You leave it until 4:59pm to realise that the weathers mint and should be out riding in it? Where have you been all day (albeit I am in Whangarei) so guess it could of been shit down there until now lol. :shutup:

[The Singing Chef]

Been working, in the kitchen.. grr. then having a feed, doing misc jobs etc..

[Katman]

na not really a

A cynic could be forgiven for thinking your dad carefully orchestrated the 'leak'.

[The Singing Chef]

A cynic could be forgiven for thinking your dad carefully orchestrated the 'leak'.

If he really wanted to i'm sure a cynic could come to the conclusion of many things, but at the end of the day is it right or wrong?

I'm putting $10 on wrong

[Katman]

I'm putting $10 on wrong

You don't sound very sure of yourself.

[The Singing Chef]

You don't sound very sure of yourself.

Your eyes deceive you then Catman

[The Singing Chef]

Trust only in the force, let your mind guide you..

[avgas]

How do you know that's what the book is about? You haven't read it and you're making a massive leap to that ... and if that IS what it is about .. how can you blame a woman who was not there ?
Somehow even if everything you say is correct....
I still feel reading it won't give me enlightenment.

Book won't bring the kids back. Book won't fix the problem. Book won't enhance my own life. Book won't improve my child's life.

So basically adds no value to nothing except to those whom only planned to remove value from others lives.

Lose-lose situation really.

Life is like riding a motorbike, if you want to crash - look at the corner. If you want to know how to beat kids and get away with it read this book.

[neels]

If you want to know how to beat kids and get away with it read this book.
Sadly, I don't need their book, I just need to look at what's happened in my own family.

Perhaps that's why I'm so cynical about the motives of this particular woman.

[PrincessBandit]

ahhh, I cant help myself....

There may well be a lot of people who agree with (some of) his POV.
They just arent posting at this point in time...


Then they can't be counted.

First two quotes above = I feel a kb pole :whistle::msn-wink: *coming on


If he really wanted to i'm sure a cynic could come to the conclusion of many things, but at the end of the day is it right or wrong?

I'm putting $10 on wrong

High stakes eh.


*yeah, couldn't resist a lame poke at the non-spellers on this site, and to wind Hitcher up.

[Str8 Jacket]

*yeah, couldn't resist a lame poke at the non-spellers on this site, and to wind Hitcher up.

Why you wanna put the wind up Hitch?

[jaffaonajappa]

I feel a kb pole :whistle::msn-wink: *coming on



a KB Pole......does it hurt? Will you be ok sitting on a bike afterwards??

hehehe, jks.

[JimO]

and it must never happen again



it happens every week mate

[FJRider]

Trust only in the force, let your mind guide you..

No ... just listen to the voices ... :rockon:

[jaffaonajappa]

I bet ya this guys wishes he was in NZ.......them yanks sure wont let him away with it.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/5213845/Boy-left-for-dead-on-cactus-lined-highway