Bears' compliance?

[Wingnut]

Hello knowledgable ones.

Is the Aprillia RS250 Bears Racing Compliant? A fulla was telling me the other day that he thought they are not as they have a RGV250 based motor.

If this is so. I guess it would count of some of the SV running Cagivas etc?

[Shaun]

Built in Italy isn't it

[HenryDorsetCase]

I think they'll say not: I asked about an MuZ Skorpion a few years ago but because it had a Jap motor (XT/SRX660) they said no. I think you're correct too about the Aprilia RS250: but maybe some models do comply?

Definitely ask them if you intend to race it there

[Kickaha]

They wont allow them down here due to being RGV based motors, no matter what brand it has on the tank if it's a jap motor it is not eligible

[Shaun]

Someone Please post up EXACT WORDING of what BEARS stands for

I understand this far only BRITISH EUROPEAN AMERICAN RACING S?

How did the BRITTEN race in BEARS? How did I get to race the TWISTER in BEARS, Triumph motor, but all chassis built in NZ! NZ Chassis do NOT fit into the BEARS also then as I see it at the moment mmmmm

[Kickaha]

How did the BRITTEN race in BEARS? How did I get to race the TWISTER in BEARS, Triumph motor, but all chassis built in NZ! NZ Chassis do NOT fit into the BEARS also then as I see it at the moment mmmmm

http://bearsracing.co.nz/public/default.php?page=18

1.Motorcycles must be of British, European, or American design with an engine and chassis of non Asian design or manufacture.

pretty simple really

[Shaun]

http://bearsracing.co.nz/public/default.php?page=18

1.Motorcycles must be of British, European, or American design with an engine and chassis of non Asian design or manufacture.

pretty simple really



Cheers, thought it must be some thing simple and clear

[codgyoleracer]

Cheers, thought it must be some thing simple and clear

How does/can that work with the Harley, Triumph, Ducati, BMW etc that have engines+ many parts parts manufactured in asia (India,Thailand etc .... ?)

[HenryDorsetCase]

How does/can that work with the Harley, Triumph, Ducati, BMW etc that have engines+ many parts parts manufactured in asia (India,Thailand etc .... ?)

.........and away we go....

[Shaun]

How does/can that work with the Harley, Triumph, Ducati, BMW etc that have engines+ many parts parts manufactured in asia (India,Thailand etc .... ?)



BINGO EXACTUALLY! BEARS haha yea write, if it has a BEARS MOTOR or a BEARS Chassis, IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE BEARS Class I think

[imdying]

They wont allow them down here due to being RGV based motors, no matter what brand it has on the tank if it's a jap motor it is not eligibleNo Bimotas?

[codgyoleracer]

BINGO EXACTUALLY! BEARS haha yea write, if it has a BEARS MOTOR or a BEARS Chassis, IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE BEARS Class I think

Roger that, you would have to have your head well in the sand to think that ANY motorcycle made today has its parts completly manufactured in-house and in one country.

[codgyoleracer]

No Bimotas?

True ! - although the Ducati powered ones would qualify ?.
I think you might find that there are different levels of tolerance depending on where you want to race.?

[ellipsis]

...i was chatting to a mate who was one of the most vociferous of anti-jappies BEARS men you could wish/or not to meet...a founding member etc...his comments on the euro bikes that run jappy based motors was quite a reversal of his old rhetoric...comments like,'times are changin'...'my kids race jappies'...'the Ducati fest' its become'....

...SOT is still one of the great meetings in the country...even for me..a confirmed slant-aphile...

[codgyoleracer]

...i was chatting to a mate who was one of the most vociferous of anti-jappies BEARS men you could wish/or not to meet...a founding member etc...his comments on the euro bikes that run jappy based motors was quite a reversal of his old rhetoric...comments like,'times are changin'...'my kids race jappies'...'the Ducati fest' its become'....

...SOT is still one of the great meetings in the country...even for me..a confirmed slant-aphile...

Cool, So its safe to dust off my jap powered Bimota & come down & play then..... :-)

[ellipsis]

Cool, So its safe to dust off my jap powered Bimota & come down & play then..... :-)

...wrong club for me to have any comments on regards that type of stuff...we have our own ongoing constant 'interface', is a way to put it with members/riders, regards pre89 compliance...or non-compliance...seems like a lot of riders want to have 'their' interpretations of club rules followed, even tho its all written into the rules...whatever club we are talking about...

[codgyoleracer]

Yeah tru, stuff like this can sure be discussed at length ( & vigour) aye. Must get my Pre89 donkey down there one day as well.

[imdying]

True ! - although the Ducati powered ones would qualify ?True, but not many (any?) of the nice ones are Duke powered, cept maybe the DB7?

Seems a little crazy to be so scared of Japanese engines when you can presumably end up with the 999 and 1098 in the same class, which would be the same sort of arse whipping wouldn't it?

[Grumph]

Bimotas - there's been a couple of Supermonos (BMW/Rotax powered) turn up,the odd DB1 and even a Vdue....but,yes, no Jap engined ones have been allowed at the SoT meeting.
I'm no expert on Bears eligibility regarding the classes - they have changed recently and will change again as they see how they're supported.
The whole non - jap thing is now a conscious choice to be different rather than mere prejudice IMO, and as such it's just as valid as any other choice.

[HenryDorsetCase]

True, but not many (any?) of the nice ones are Duke powered, cept maybe the DB7?

Seems a little crazy to be so scared of Japanese engines when you can presumably end up with the 999 and 1098 in the same class, which would be the same sort of arse whipping wouldn't it?

Triumph Daytona, BMW S1000RR, KTM superduke/all those chook chaser motards.

But remember this started as a class where a bunch of guys went who didnt want to race and be thrashed by the Jap stuff: your RD's, TZ's, etc etc.

in the intervening 30 years, things have moved on.

[Kickaha]

Seems a little crazy to be so scared of Japanese engines when you can presumably end up with the 999 and 1098 in the same class, which would be the same sort of arse whipping wouldn't it?

Depends who is riding them, a Triumph 600 won the overall event a few years back when they were a relatively new bike

If Brendan and some guy whose name escapes me hadn't trashed both their 675's by crashing there brains out this year I would have put money on them being right up there as well

Next year I'd say we'll see Choppa or John Ross on the BMW winning the F1 class

[ellipsis]

...vive le differance...

[RobGassit]

It's probably easy to say that there is no need for Bears Racing anymore, but I have to say, every Bears meeting I have ever been to was an absolute hoot and ran like clockwork. I envy those guy's in CHCH having meetings every month and running all sorts of great exotica and backyard specials. Best memory was watching a Rotary Norton whistle like a phaarkin jet out of the last corner at a Ruapuna Sound of Thunder meeting. Outragious! I think the guy was from OZ. The Classic Festival at Pukekohe is also as good as a Bears meet and arguably the best meet in the country. I did notice some works Yamahas there last time though so maybe they are softening up when it comes to GP machines.

[Kickaha]

I did notice some works Yamahas there last time though so maybe they are softening up when it comes to GP machines.

They might have done demonstration laps but they wouldn't have been racing

They're quite happy to have stuff like that there as a drawcard and maybe help them pull in a few extra punters for a few extra dollars but they won't let Jap bikes race

[Number One]

Bear (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_(gay_culture)) compliance?

FB teaches you all kinds of stuff you didn't want to know....

[Wingnut]

Bear (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_(gay_culture)) compliance?

FB teaches you all kinds of stuff you didn't want to know....

Brilliant!!!!!!!!!

[imdying]

in the intervening 30 years, things have moved on.Aye... would be a shame for something like an RS250 or better yet, an SB8R, being denied some BEARs loving. Bimota really did build some cool motorcycles with Jap motors, most of which I assume would get an arse whipping from the aforementioned 1098s/S1000RRs of the world.

[avgas]

No Bimotas?
Vdue could race.

[avgas]

Compliance for BEARS is moustache/beard, big and fat, hairy chest......and you have to ride something that can't compete in a real race.

I hear they also enjoy bumsex.

Sorry I see no need for the class anymore. And I eagerly await the flak from all the "BEARS" on this site.
Fact of the matter boys - why can't you race in one of the other classes?
Come on own up and tell me why there needs to be a "Special" class anymore.

I mean it would make more sense to have a:
Malaysian + Korean + Chinese + Indian + Russian bike class these days than BEARS. Its those guys who are disadvantaged.

[Kickaha]

Compliance for BEARS is moustache/beard, big and fat, hairy chest......and you have to ride something that can't compete in a real race.

Totally untrue and the above would probably be in the minority, well except for the fat bit


I hear they also enjoy bumsex.

Really? you should fit right in then because I heard you like it up the arse everyday and twice on Sundays



Sorry I see no need for the class anymore. And I eagerly await the flak from all the "BEARS" on this site.
Fact of the matter boys - why can't you race in one of the other classes?
Come on own up and tell me why there needs to be a "Special" class anymore.


It isn't a "special class" you uneducated peasant, it is a club with multiple classes

It is fairly obvious you're of below average intelligence as you list Auckland as you location and no one with any brains would live there but if you ever travel south of the Bombays and visit the Mainland and the real world at the time of SOT and you will see why the "club" exists

[Number One]

Mwahahaaaaa. Never let it be said I don't contribute to technical threads!

[fuknKIWI]

Someone Please post up EXACT WORDING of what BEARS stands for

I understand this far only BRITISH EUROPEAN AMERICAN RACING S?

How did the BRITTEN race in BEARS? How did I get to race the TWISTER in BEARS, Triumph motor, but all chassis built in NZ! NZ Chassis do NOT fit into the BEARS also then as I see it at the moment mmmmm

Rule No1; NO JAP BIKES
Rule No2; See ACU Rules book

Kiwibikes were always allowed, starting with the DENCO despite it being in a Jap frame, also Lucifer's Mallet the XR McIntosh framed bike. That's how things were inthe 80's.

[fuknKIWI]

No Bimotas?

Chris Oldfield raced one at '89 SoT

[fuknKIWI]

Rotax

Don't mentio ze Rotax:msn-wink::Police::no::confused::bleh:

[fuknKIWI]

It's probably easy to say that there is no need for Bears Racing anymore, but I have to say, every Bears meeting I have ever been to was an absolute hoot and ran like clockwork. I envy those guy's in CHCH having meetings every month and running all sorts of great exotica and backyard specials. Best memory was watching a Rotary Norton whistle like a phaarkin jet out of the last corner at a Ruapuna Sound of Thunder meeting. Outragious! I think the guy was from OZ. The Classic Festival at Pukekohe is also as good as a Bears meet and arguably the best meet in the country. I did notice some works Yamahas there last time though so maybe they are softening up when it comes to GP machines.

I remember getting blown away by a Norton Rotary at the '88 SoT from South Canterbury I believe.

[fuknKIWI]

Totally untrue and the above would probably be in the minority, well except for the fat bit



Really? you should fit right in then because I heard you like it up the arse everyday and twice on Sundays



It isn't a "special class" you uneducated peasant, it is a club with multiple classes

It is fairly obvious you're of below average intelligence as you list Auckland as you location and no one with any brains would live there but if you ever travel south of the Bombays and visit the Mainland and the real world at the time of SOT and you will see why the "club" exists

OI don't feed the troll:Police::bleh:

[steveyb]

Anyway, back to the RS250 Aprilia.

The engine is only based on the VJ22 RGV engine. They use the bottom end and transmission, but Aprilia used ROTAX to prepare new cylinders, heads, exhausts, ECU and Airbox. Carbs are retained from the RGV.

A two stroke engine is the sum of all the parts (I suppose like any engine really ;-) ) so on balance one could argue that at least half of the engine is European, so on average the bike is European.

There, done. Screw-'em.

They just don't want a cool as 2-stroke GP type bike wasting their tractors, even after they take the harrows off.

[SWERVE]

I remember getting blown away by a Norton Rotary at the '88 SoT from South Canterbury I believe.

Watched Trevor Nation race the JPS Norton rotory in the UK at Snetterton (longest main straight) it sounded f**kin AWESOME fully wound in all gears.
Never forget that.
I do believe they havent given up on that design!

[Kickaha]

Chris Oldfield raced one at '89 SoT

That was a DB1, I got a photo of the one they had on display in the pits somewhere


Don't mentio ze Rotax:msn-wink::Police::no::confused::bleh:

We try not to because they were such a fucken heap of shit


I remember getting blown away by a Norton Rotary at the '88 SoT from South Canterbury I believe.

Got a photo of that somewhere to, I think it was an ex UK police write off as I don't think they were available to the general public


so on balance one could argue that at least half of the engine is European, so on average the bike is European.

Argue all you want, they'll still tell you to fuck off and take your RGV with you :bleh:

[lostinflyz]

Watched Trevor Nation race the JPS Norton rotory in the UK at Snetterton (longest main straight) it sounded f**kin AWESOME fully wound in all gears.
Never forget that.
I do believe they havent given up on that design!

this one???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph-n7-naQxo

raced IOM a year or two ago with one of dunlop boys in the senior

[gammaguy]

Someone Please post up EXACT WORDING of what BEARS stands for

I understand this far only BRITISH EUROPEAN AMERICAN RACING S?

How did the BRITTEN race in BEARS? How did I get to race the TWISTER in BEARS, Triumph motor, but all chassis built in NZ! NZ Chassis do NOT fit into the BEARS also then as I see it at the moment mmmmm

mate you just stood on the holy grail of BEARS right there

Fact is the Britten was NEVER eligible for BEARS racing but it was "overlooked"for a number of reasons,some of which I am sure you can guess.

Anyone who happened to mention it at the time got a big kick up the ass from some norton riding bearded bouncer who questioned your commitment to the cause.

Personally,I left and went to ride Jappas.best thing I ever did.

Oh,and the BEARS all HATEtwo strokes too!

ask anyone who ever tried to race one with them.let alone beat the diesels,that used to really piss them off.

ask Dave Moore(morbidelli)

[Grumph]

mate you just stood on the holy grail of BEARS right there

Fact is the Britten was NEVER eligible for BEARS racing but it was "overlooked"for a number of reasons,some of which I am sure you can guess.

Utter crap...

Anyone who happened to mention it at the time got a big kick up the ass from some norton riding bearded bouncer who questioned your commitment to the cause.

And you'd have deserved it too...

Personally,I left and went to ride Jappas.best thing I ever did.

I agree - 2nd only to your leaving NZ...

Oh,and the BEARS all HATEtwo strokes too!

ask anyone who ever tried to race one with them.let alone beat the diesels,that used to really piss them off.

More crap....

ask Dave Moore(morbidelli)

Dave was always welcome and would be again.

As I've said, BEARS is a valid choice of racing lifestyle...just as valid as concentrating on classic or post classic racing...or those eccentric racing tricycles.
All this has been said here on KB before - by North Islanders who don't have the benefit of a flourishing BEARS club and see the BEARS class at meetings as an irrelevant waste of track time. Tough, get over it - and realise it's the only class where an NZ built bike and NZ rider have won a world title and should therefore be worth continuing....

[Shaun]

Watched Trevor Nation race the JPS Norton rotory in the UK at Snetterton (longest main straight) it sounded f**kin AWESOME fully wound in all gears.
Never forget that.
I do believe they havent given up on that design!



Like ya lady on the gravy stroke mate, that NORTON is still the sexiest sounding motorcycle engine I have ever heard

[Shaun]

mate you just stood on the holy grail of BEARS right there

Fact is the Britten was NEVER eligible for BEARS racing but it was "overlooked"for a number of reasons,some of which I am sure you can guess.

Anyone who happened to mention it at the time got a big kick up the ass from some norton riding bearded bouncer who questioned your commitment to the cause.

Personally,I left and went to ride Jappas.best thing I ever did.

Oh,and the BEARS all HATEtwo strokes too!

ask anyone who ever tried to race one with them.let alone beat the diesels,that used to really piss them off.

ask Dave Moore(morbidelli)



O dear, hope they do not kick me in the crutch when I race in there class then

[Kickaha]

mate you just stood on the holy grail of BEARS right there

Fact is the Britten was NEVER eligible for BEARS racing but it was "overlooked"for a number of reasons,some of which I am sure you can guess.

I guess you're sort of right but in reality if a bike wasn't Jap/Asian then it was considered eligible



Oh,and the BEARS all HATEtwo strokes too!

ask anyone who ever tried to race one with them.let alone beat the diesels,that used to really piss them off.

ask Dave Moore(morbidelli)
Two strokes have raced with BEARs since the beginning and some fairly long term members raced them, they even had scooter races at one stage

[wharfy]

this one???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph-n7-naQxo

raced IOM a year or two ago with one of dunlop boys in the senior

Fuckin' 'ell the pipe is almost translucent !!!

[RobGassit]

Two Stroke Bear Baby Yeah!242577

[imdying]

The engine is only based on the VJ22 RGV engine. They use the bottom end and transmission, but Aprilia used ROTAX to prepare new cylinders, heads, exhausts, ECU and Airbox.That's true, but none of those things are appreciably different from the RGV parts... the cylinders and heads only have slight changes and the airbox and exhausts are basically only different for packaging reasons. I like where you're going with that, but you're drawing a long bow. Mind you, I have one with an Italian crank and rods. American pistons, English heads and a Czech ECU... that's gotta be getting closer.

[racefactory]

Hey guys, would a KTM 525 motard be any good in bears?

[ellipsis]

Hey guys, would a KTM 525 motard be any good in bears?

...good for what....

[racefactory]

Having fun on, for lack of better words.

[ellipsis]

...probably make a good pit bike...

[racefactory]

Alright, cheers.

[gammaguy]

O dear, hope they do not kick me in the crutch when I race in there class then

as long as your on a 4 stroke youll be OK

and that TZ is not an aprilia....

[Kickaha]

Hey guys, would a KTM 525 motard be any good in bears?

Quite a few Eurotrash motards racing down here, might be different up your way


as long as your on a 4 stroke youll be OK


As long as you're on any BEARs eligible bike you'll be ok two stroke or other

[Wingnut]

Hell - when I started this thread, I was unaware of the opinions held regarding bears. I simply have a mate who has bought an RS250 and was wondering if he would be eligable to run in the class.

Its a bit of a sore point to some aparently though. Why so?

If you don't agree with the principle, what does it matter, just dont partake in bears racing. Each to their own I say!

By the way I don't race bears and don't have a euro bike to race, so am not biased in anyway.

[fuknKIWI]

That was a DB1, I got a photo of the one they had on display in the pits somewhere
Complete with the croc on the tank?
Also that year Owen Coles was riding the Brook Henry Vee Two Ducati (Aussie frame/rolling chassis?




We try not to because they were such a fucken heap of shit
Also once was a very contentious point amongst BEARS racers I believe.




Got a photo of that somewhere to, I think it was an ex UK police write off as I don't think they were available to the general public
One that slipped through the system, they were dressed up as BMW's & apparently that's how this one slipped through the guy was put under a certain amount of pressure to give it up but resisted. Fair Spares were true to their name & allowed him access to needed parts, so I'm told.

[avgas]

Quite a few Eurotrash motards racing down here, might be different up your way

Gold.
So not only are Jappas bad, but eurotrash exists in bears.

Do you also get stickers so you can park closer to the track?

[codgyoleracer]

That's true, but none of those things are appreciably different from the RGV parts... the cylinders and heads only have slight changes and the airbox and exhausts are basically only different for packaging reasons. I like where you're going with that, but you're drawing a long bow. Mind you, I have one with an Italian crank and rods. American pistons, English heads and a Czech ECU... that's gotta be getting closer.

I agree, qualification for bears should only be allowed after all components of the engine & chassis have been stripped down and its 100% established where their manufacturing source is.

NOTE: If this argument/position is taken to its fullest then the source of the aluminium & steel that makes up said motorcycle is most likely to be from a non bears country........

[sugilite]

More Racing bitching, yeah!
I don't know why the rules cannot be taken from the name, I think if they renamed the class to BITCHARS it would make more sense!
Bikes
Including
Tiny
Cocked
Homomphobic
Ant-Asian
Racist
Snobs
There you are, all in one acronym!

Just joking guys, bears are great. (as rugs!) :lol: :innocent:

[RobGassit]

BEARS Baby Yeah!!242801

[Hinny]

Cool, .....my jap powered Bimota ..... :-)

Very Cool.
You lucky man.

[TonyB]

Hey guys, would a KTM 525 motard be any good in bears? They're a great BEARS bike! Heaps of them racing down here.

Back to the original question- no I don't believe the Chch BEARS club will allow an RS250 to race because the engine is of asian design. I'm pretty sure its been tried before, but if you really want to know I can put you in touch with the Vice Pres of the club down here.

As someone pointed out, its nothing more than a formula based racing series- no different from Classics/ Post Cassics/ Pre 89. It was started way back when no European/British/American bike was capable of mixing it with the sports bikes produced by "the Big Four" (who all just happened to be based in Japan). Some people like riding BEARS type bikes, just like some prefer pre 82, so they created a formula that allowed them to have competitive racing on machines that couldn't compete with the modern sports bikes of the time.

BEARS is still a valid class- until Sloan Frost threw his leg over a BMW, nothing other than GSXR's and the odd R1 had been anywhere near the front of the NZ Superbike Nats for years. 675's have dominated BEARS F1 for some time now, but I can't recall seeing one near the front in Supersport even at club level.

In short its just a formula that allows close and competitive racing- where else can you race a 2 valve air cooled Ducati and have a chance of winning? If people want to imagine a bunch of fat hairy tatooed neo-nazi's with a hatred of all things Asian, then thats their perogative, but I suggest they actually take a LOOK at a meeting and MEET some of the people involved before casting judgement.

[TonyB]

Bear (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_(gay_culture)) compliance?

FB teaches you all kinds of stuff you didn't want to know....

I once wanted a picture of one of the characters from the old "Hill Billy Bears" cartoon.
So I typed "Pa Bear" into google.
Safe search just happened to be off.
I cannot unsee what I saw...even thumbnails can be disturbing...

[Dreama]

They're a great BEARS bike! Heaps of them racing down here.

Back to the original question- no I don't believe the Chch BEARS club will allow an RS250 to race because the engine is of asian design. I'm pretty sure its been tried before, but if you really want to know I can put you in touch with the Vice Pres of the club down here.

As someone pointed out, its nothing more than a formula based racing series- no different from Classics/ Post Cassics/ Pre 89. It was started way back when no European/British/American bike was capable of mixing it with the sports bikes produced by "the Big Four" (who all just happened to be based in Japan). Some people like riding BEARS type bikes, just like some prefer pre 82, so they created a formula that allowed them to have competitive racing on machines that couldn't compete with the modern sports bikes of the time.

BEARS is still a valid class- until Sloan Frost threw his leg over a BMW, nothing other than GSXR's and the odd R1 had been anywhere near the front of the NZ Superbike Nats for years. 675's have dominated BEARS F1 for some time now, but I can't recall seeing one near the front in Supersport even at club level.

In short its just a formula that allows close and competitive racing- where else can you race a 2 valve air cooled Ducati and have a chance of winning? If people want to imagine a bunch of fat hairy tatooed neo-nazi's with a hatred of all things Asian, then thats their perogative, but I suggest they actually take a LOOK at a meeting and MEET some of the people involved before casting judgement.

Well said.
The SOT is a great meeting where alot of very passionate people race bikes they spend squillions of hours building. Many of the bikes are simply a labour of love but not the fastest things on two wheels but that's not the point.
BEARs racing, in particular the SOT, is unique. The 'others' can rant and rave and say what they like, but unless they have that intrinsic BEARs thingy infecting them, they will not understand that point.
Having raced ( averagely) at lots of ordinary club rounds I personnaly consider the SOT to be the benchmark ... the best racing (for me and my bike), the most track time on my favourite track, the cheapest to enter and hire the excellant pit garages ( which add to the atmosphere with no walls) and having the bar adjacant to the pits makes it easy and pleasant to have a beer and the presentations afterwards in the company of like minded people.
It's not a conspiracy ... just a bunch of guys racing their choice of bikes.

[codgyoleracer]

Well said.
The SOT is a great meeting where alot of very passionate people race bikes they spend squillions of hours building. Many of the bikes are simply a labour of love but not the fastest things on two wheels but that's not the point.
BEARs racing, in particular the SOT, is unique. The 'others' can rant and rave and say what they like, but unless they have that intrinsic BEARs thingy infecting them, they will not understand that point.
Having raced ( averagely) at lots of ordinary club rounds I personnaly consider the SOT to be the benchmark ... the best racing (for me and my bike), the most track time on my favourite track, the cheapest to enter and hire the excellant pit garages ( which add to the atmosphere with no walls) and having the bar adjacant to the pits makes it easy and pleasant to have a beer and the presentations afterwards in the company of like minded people.
It's not a conspiracy ... just a bunch of guys racing their choice of bikes.

For sure its a great concept & and is much about being nostalgic and or tinkering as anything else.
I was just suprised to read that an Aprilia RS250 machine, designed, assembled and with almost all parts manufactured in a 'bears' country cannot race ? - which is why i made a point of highlighting triumphs Taiwanese made & assembled motors etc.

it seems that its the badge on the tank that counts ?, so that would open the door to the RS ?

Glen

[CHOPPA]

For sure its a great concept & and is much about being nostalgic and or tinkering as anything else.
I was just suprised to read that an Aprilia RS250 machine, designed, assembled and with almost all parts manufactured in a 'bears' country cannot race ? - which is why i made a point of highlighting triumphs Taiwanese made & assembled motors etc.

it seems that its the badge on the tank that counts ?, so that would open the door to the RS ?

Glen

There was a similar scenario with Melcolm Bells NCR I believe? They were trying to say that the frame was Japanese or something and wouldnt let him race...

Im sure there was an RS125 Racing at wanganui in BEARS

Great class!! There should be a BEARS class at every meeting hahaha

[Billy]

Quite a few Eurotrash motards racing down here, might be different up your way

So do the motards that race in the bears class down south have to run clip on's???

Are they allowed to stick their leg out and back it in????Anybody watched a MotoGP race lately?Fucken lot of motard riders out there now LOL

[racefactory]

Lmao. Wasn't it Rossi that started it after competing in motards that time? I don't see them banning it any time soon...

[CHOPPA]

Lmao. Wasn't it Rossi that started it after competing in motards that time? I don't see them banning it any time soon...

Na the leg out rule is crazy, more and more riders are doing it, even in NZ I have seen a few top riders in Superbike and 600 doing it. I cant remember exactly which corner at Ruapuna it was but I did it sorta by mistake and it actually felt good

[RobGassit]

BEARS Racer baby Yeah!242865

[Billy]

BEARS Racer baby Yeah!242865

Ah yes,The "proper" Glen Williams on the Anglo Duke,Brings back some memories

[RobGassit]

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[Kickaha]

Are they allowed to stick their leg out and back it in????Anybody watched a MotoGP race lately?Fucken lot of motard riders out there now LOL


BEARs put a stop to the foot out thing fairly early on when Motards starting turning up

[TonyB]

So do the motards that race in the bears class down south have to run clip on's???

Are they allowed to stick their leg out and back it in????Anybody watched a MotoGP race lately?Fucken lot of motard riders out there now LOL Nope, no clip on's required, but they are supposed to keep their feet on the pegs. I agree the feet on pegs rule is probably outdated. But then I struggle to understand how Rossi's habit of hanging your inside leg out in the breeze can help when braking, when you already have your bum halfway off the seat in preparation for the next corner and having an inside leg on the peg helps hold the weight..

This years winter series has a hot 750SS and about 3 very quick motards up the front in F2 and Super Stock Ltd. Motards go bloody well on a tight track like Ruapuna, and the new ones simply slaughter my 750 under acceleration to the first corner. Quick they is!

[roadracingoldfart]

Cool, So its safe to dust off my jap powered Bimota & come down & play then..... :-)

So it was you that brought it lol .
:blink:

[Dreama]

There was a similar scenario with Melcolm Bells NCR I believe? They were trying to say that the frame was Japanese or something and wouldnt let him race...

Im sure there was an RS125 Racing at wanganui in BEARS

Great class!! There should be a BEARS class at every meeting hahaha

No ... pretty sure it was because he was trying to race it in Superstock ( think that's what it's called) and it had a frame and just one or two other bits that were a tad non compliant for the class :innocent: :blink:
He was free to run it in F1 though.

[codgyoleracer]

Ah yes,The "proper" Glen Williams on the Anglo Duke,Brings back some memories

:crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::cryb aby:

[gav]

Yeah, the Aprilia RS250 is ineligible for BEARS. However there is an Aprilia RS125 that races down here. And sorry a Jap engineered Bimota wont be allowed either.
Anyone noticed how BEARS bikes have taken over WSBK now? Aprilia, Ducati, BMW ...
hmmm ... :innocent:
You do see some older Japanese stuff racing down here at a BEARS meet, but only in Pre 82 and Buckets, both of which are considered invitation classes.

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