Radler beer by style, but not name

[oneofsix]

Why our bureaucrats and courts loss the respect of the public. Seems they can't make logical decisions even when it is laid out for them and there is international agreed convention. If you are big business you can make a beer called Radler even though it is not of the Radler style and you own the name and the brewry that makes a radler beer is not allowed to call it by its style.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5284136/DB-wins-its-battle-over-Radler-beer

[shrub]

gotta love the big global mega corporations. They are our masters and we will do as they tell us.

[Usarka]

Big business have no sway over the legal system in NZ.

Oh wait, that's the other brewery's IP......

[James Deuce]

https://www.facebook.com/DominionBreweries?sk=wall

Pisses me off that they perpetrated this through the Montheith's label as well. My family were originally Coasters and I was in physical pain when DB bought Monteith's.

Now this.

[bungbung]

Tuatara, Emersons, Hallertau, Yeastie Boys, Number 8 wired, Stoke, Renaissance etc.
Take your pick.

[Usarka]

I tried to send some feedback to iponz but got told "Our apologies... The item you requested does not exist on this server or cannot be served".

Obviously the dickwads don't own enough IP to build a website properly.

PS: constructive criticism emailed to DB though.

[Maha]

Radler is just the best served very very old on a hot hot day!....:drinkup:

[bungbung]

Radler is just the best served very very old on a hot hot day!

Make mine cold and not so old

[HenryDorsetCase]

I've emailed DB as well, plus joined the "Boycott DB" page on farcebook.

Since I discovered actual beer a few years ago I have very rarely purchased from the big 2. But now I will never buy a DB product or go to a DB bar. No loss.

www.soba.org.nz

Oh yeah, Radler is a shandy, right? beer with lemonade? So its a mixed drink, like say a martini? How do the people that own the Martini brand of vermouth get on? they dont go round bars going "Oi, NO you can't make a martini (all James Bond stylez) unless you pour it out of one of our bottles!"

serious question

[davereid]

I managed to make a complaint. But tip of iceberg for me. Many friendly OIAs to resond to now for them.

[Oakie]

Mmm. Radler! My favourite beer. Always manage to have a few in the beer fridge.

The whole name thing is probably more of a commentary on the homework done by the copyright people than it is of DB who made a cheeky but astute application.

[AllanB]

Stainers. :facepalm:

[Voltaire]

Radler....When I was in Germany many years ago I had some by mistake....its Shandy The name refers to " cyclists beer" a beer you can drink and still cycle home.
DB/Lion make piss....theres bugger all hops in their watery muck...as hops cost money.
Have a go at home brewing....I'm a noob but its fun. can of Coopers lager + can of coopers dark ale+ 200 gms of Cascade hops+ crushed Crystal Malt....bit of fiddling and nice hoppy Epic Clone.
mmmm hoppy and not too bitter....:yes:
once you make it yourself you'll never buy that commercial crap from the big two.
I did buy a 6 pack of Monteiths Doppelbock...$18.00!!!! buy mmmmmmm.
Bottling my porter tomorrow...partial mash with coopers lager/dark ale and 200 gms of chocolate malt grains.....and hallertau hops.....yummmmy.

[SPman]

Tuatara, Emersons, Hallertau, Yeastie Boys, Number 8 wired, Stoke, Renaissance etc.
Take your pick.
Well said that chap!

[neels]

This stuff is rather nice, although as you can see they're one of the breweries that had to change the name...

242915

[shrub]

I've emailed DB as well, plus joined the "Boycott DB" page on farcebook.

Since I discovered actual beer a few years ago I have very rarely purchased from the big 2. But now I will never buy a DB product or go to a DB bar. No loss.

www.soba.org.nz

Oh yeah, Radler is a shandy, right? beer with lemonade? So its a mixed drink, like say a martini? How do the people that own the Martini brand of vermouth get on? they dont go round bars going "Oi, NO you can't make a martini (all James Bond stylez) unless you pour it out of one of our bottles!"

serious question

A very good question.

As for boycotting DB - I will do it. I shall also voluntarily boycott Lion Nathan and will henceforth only drink beer brewed by Stoke, Epic, Harringtons, Tuatara, Matsons, Number 8, Three Boys, Kaimai Brewing Company, Green man, Rennaisance, Mussel Inn, twisted Hop, Brew Moon, Croucher, Moa, Mikes brewing COmpany, Wigram Brewing Company, Yeastie Boys....

My options are limited and it will be a sacrifice having to forgo the pleasures of Tui, DB, Speights and the like, but sometimes one has to stand up for something even if there is a huge personal cost. I had better head down to the local Fresh Choice and start stocking up.

[Usarka]

Mussel Inn - are they near Nelson or Mot somewhere? I had an awesome session one afternoon at a cool boozer near nelson called teh abbey (i think) and was seriously enjoying some of their beer but can't find it in aucks without paying $$$$$ to ship it up.

+1 for the boycott.

+1 for the real breweries.

+1 for the homebrew.

[ajturbo]

A very good question.

As for boycotting DB - I will do it. I shall also voluntarily boycott Lion Nathan and will henceforth only drink beer brewed by Stoke, Epic, Harringtons, Tuatara, Matsons, Number 8, Three Boys, Kaimai Brewing Company, Green man, Rennaisance, Mussel Inn, twisted Hop, Brew Moon, Croucher, Moa, Mikes brewing COmpany, Wigram Brewing Company, Yeastie Boys....



think you will be shit faced by lunch time though:facepalm:

[slofox]

I have refused to stock DB products in my store since this first blew up. I also told them why and invited them to have sex and travel. They didn't bother to reply funnily enough...

The IPO should be collectively shot for this bullshit decision. Fucking farcical.

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[shrub]

I have refused to stock DB products in my store since this first blew up. I also told them why and invited them to have sex and travel. They didn't bother to reply funnily enough...

The IPO should be collectively shot for this bullshit decision. Fucking farcical.

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Nice work!

[Swoop]

I have refused to stock DB products in my store since this first blew up.
Do you have a notice on your shop window explaining to customers why? It might help others understand and boycott this bully-boy bunch of bastards.

[bungbung]

I run a bar at my place of work, my customers are 50% foreign diplomats.
They have to choose from a mixture of Emerson's, Epic, Yeastie Boys, Moa, Tuatara.
I like to think it's doing my bit for the local economy.

[MisterD]

+1 for the boycott.


How much would it cost to print up a few thousand stickers saying "Lager & Lime" in big red letters, then hit selected supermarkets en masse and re-label all the "Radler" on the shelf?

Much more fun than just a boycott...

[slofox]

Do you have a notice on your shop window explaining to customers why? It might help others understand and boycott this bully-boy bunch of bastards.

Whilst I don't have a notice in the window, I do go to some lengths to tell people what I am doing and why.

Incidentally, I am not alone in this boycott - there are quite a few independent retailers who have organised this.

[Usarka]

Moutere Brewery is trying to trademark the name Shandy as a two-fingered salute to DB and the Intellectual Property Office.

Be interesting to see if iponz will make the same decision that they did with Radler now that there are no backhanders involved.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5347612/Next-round-in-bitter-beer-battle

[HenryDorsetCase]

How much would it cost to print up a few thousand stickers saying "Lager & Lime" in big red letters, then hit selected supermarkets en masse and re-label all the "Radler" on the shelf?

Much more fun than just a boycott...

I am in for a hundy to help with printing cost.

[Indiana_Jones]

Moutere Brewery is trying to trademark the name Shandy as a two-fingered salute to DB and the Intellectual Property Office.

Be interesting to see if iponz will make the same decision that they did with Radler now that there are no backhanders involved.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5347612/Next-round-in-bitter-beer-battle

Good on 'em

All DB has done is given me more insentive to keep buying my English beers and mking homebrew

-Indy

[pete376403]

reply from iponz
Thank you for your feedback to IPONZ regarding the Radler decision. We note your concerns relating to a complex area of the law. This can be seen from the decision in this matter, which is available at http://www.nzlii.org/nz/cases/NZIPOTM/2011/19.html. The issues discussed in the decision centred around whether the term 'Radler' was known as a descriptive term in New Zealand when the trade mark was granted in 2003. The Assistant Commissioner found there was no persuasive evidence to prove that 8 years ago when IPONZ granted the trade mark that the term Radler was understood more broadly in New Zealand as a beer style. There has been a lot of suggestion that this could lead to terms like “pilsner” or “lager” being trade marked. This is entirely incorrect in that these are currently well known terms in New Zealand.
It is not appropriate for us to comment further on the decision of the Assistant Commissioner in that it relates to more than one party who sit on either side of this matter, and the decision is still subject to a right of appeal. It should be noted that should one of the parties feel aggrieved by the decision they may exercise this right. It is not open to the Commissioner to bypass this process.
If you would like to know more about the registration process for trade marks, please follow this link – http://www.iponz.govt.nz/cms/trade-marks.



I trust that this has answered your question and has provided some context to the issues in this matter.



IPONZ

[avgas]

Bunch of Alcoholics.
I actually think the whole case is a bunch of Hogwash. Why didn't Green Man just come up with a better name at the start?
Radler is not exactly a great name to start with. Fuck knows how DB makes money off it.

Oh wait that is because the beer is tasty.........

and you lot get your knickers in a twist over a name. Fucks sake, they could call it Drainlayers Larger (great drop by the way) and so long as it tasted good I would drink it.
Why this went to court is a dumb decision on both DB and Green Man. Either could have made more money by simply changing the name to something better.

[Usarka]

Because it's a style of beer - it's like saying only DB can use the word Lager.

On the news Fonterra have just trademarked the word Vintage so no other cheese makers can use it.

Lobbying, corruption or stupidity (or all three) is alive and well in iponz by the looks.

[scumdog]

Meh, just call it Redlar....it'll look the same at first glance...

[Indiana_Jones]

Because it's a style of beer - it's like saying only DB can use the word Lager.



What he said.

-Indy

[NighthawkNZ]

Oh yeah, Radler is a shandy, right? beer with lemonade? So its a mixed drink, like say a martini?

Yes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shandy#Radler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radler)

I like how Greenman now call it "cyclist" I find that ammusing.

[blue rider]

:beer:

a little history on this lovely summer brew...
In the mountains of Germany and Austria, the bicyclists (Radler in German) need a good refreshment, and a little additional nutritious fortification after a long climb up a mountain road in the blazing, humid weather, but they also need the soberness and strength to return home, down the long, steep hills.

yes beer is considered a basic nutrient in bavaria....the little bit one eats, one can drink....

From these excursions has developed the concept of a beer and lemon-lime mixture in Germany and Austria, the Radler and the Russ - the russian, basically the same as the Shandy in England. The Radler is a normal "Helles" or a pilsner-style beer with 1/2 lemon-lime soda, and the Russ is a mixture of 1/2 Weizenbeer, and 1/2 lemon-lime soda, - refreshing, relaxing, and enjoyable. :drinkup:
Various names have emerged for this mix from the various breweries such as Alsterwasser, Russ'n, Weizenradler, Kristall Radler, etc. The name Alsterwasser was used in place of Radler because earlier, the Alster river in northern Germany was considered a source of cleaner water, and even though the beer was not brewed from this river water, the lightness, and clarity served to distinguish this light, clear beer mixture.

The origin of many mixed "concoctions" of beer and ... are unknown; however, the source of the Radler is reported as follows:

On a hot summer afternoon in June of 1922, Franz Xaver Kugler, the owner of a Inn high in the Alps of Bavaria realized that he did not have enough beer to accommodate all of his guests for the day, both bicyclists as well as mountain hikers. Hence, he decided to offer his remaining beer, interestingly a dark beer, as a mixture of beer and lemon-lime soda of which he had an ample supply, and thus he nick-named his newly-found drink after the bicyclists,- hence a RADLER!


the best Radler is beer from the tap and mixed in with lemonade on the spot and comes in a 1 liter Glass, oh the joys of summer

[Oakie]

Weizenbeer

That name just makes me giggle like a schoolboy when I read it.

Apart from that, thanks for the info on my favourite drop.

[blue rider]

That name just makes me giggle like a schoolboy when I read it.



Throttle, oh how I like this word....thrrrrrrrrooooottttllle

[Scuba_Steve]

I see fontera's tryin it on too, apparently only they can use "vintage"

[davereid]

Yeah, I have an OIA request in for copies of anything they discussed about Radler, memos emails, gifts, meeting minutes etc.

They will try and dodge it.

Interested beer drinkers should all do the same - they CAN dodge OIA requests. But if enough people write, it gets very uncomfortable.

If it interests you, put in an OIA requests for anything they discussed about Radler, even internal stuff.

[Oakie]

I see fontera's tryin it on too, apparently only they can use "vintage"

Fonterra (or whatever they called themselves back then) registered 'Vintage' as their own name for aged cheese about 30 years ago. It's only now they are getting all possessive over it.

[koba]

Yeah, I have an OIA request in for copies of anything they discussed about Radler, memos emails, gifts, meeting minutes etc.

They will try and dodge it.

Interested beer drinkers should all do the same - they CAN dodge OIA requests. But if enough people write, it gets very uncomfortable.

If it interests you, put in an OIA requests for anything they discussed about Radler, even internal stuff.
I think I'll just stick to buying and making better beer.

Has anyone noticed the DB Radler isn't really all that true to what it claims to be because it is full strength? I would have put low alcohol down as a defining characteristic of a true Radler or Shandy. The Green Man Cyclist is lower alcohol.

[Berries]

I see fontera's tryin it on too, apparently only they can use "vintage"
I'll have to tell my Granma. Wonder if the Fonterra lawyers will go after her? Wankers.


Has anyone noticed the DB Radler isn't really all that true to what it claims to be because it is full strength?
DB can get fucked too. Wankers. IP is all fine and dandy until you come to widely used terms like these.

Is the word wanker trademarked?

Wankers.

[avgas]

Because it's a style of beer - it's like saying only DB can use the word Lager.

On the news Fonterra have just trademarked the word Vintage so no other cheese makers can use it.

Lobbying, corruption or stupidity (or all three) is alive and well in iponz by the looks.
Booo hooo
Does this stop companies instantly making good beer? Or just stop them thinking of innovative new names?

Nope.

Out of interest. Google Pils / Pilsner.......
Its happened before.

Push the button to the 3rd floor and move on.

[Berries]

If only they would ban Speights.

[NighthawkNZ]

Its no different than if DB tried to trademark the term lager, or stout etc...

Lagar, stout, ale, porter etc... Should they be able to be a trademark on them as well...

[oneofsix]

I think I'll just stick to buying and making better beer.

Has anyone noticed the DB Radler isn't really all that true to what it claims to be because it is full strength? I would have put low alcohol down as a defining characteristic of a true Radler or Shandy. The Green Man Cyclist is lower alcohol.
the fact that DB's radler isn't a radler and the Green Man's radler is a true radler was mentioned as part of the argument.

Wasn't it DB that ran the ads on how the stood up for the little man against the big government bullies? Looks like they have created a case for one of their own Tui billboards.

[Scuba_Steve]

Fonterra (or whatever they called themselves back then) registered 'Vintage' as their own name for aged cheese about 30 years ago. It's only now they are getting all possessive over it.

probably because now they can point out a company with a just as ridiculous brand name (DB) in defence of their own.

Maybee I need to go out & buy up a whole lot of names be like those domain name squatters. I could take Personal Computer (PC), Laptop, Wine cooler, Gimlet, Tom Colins, White Russian, Black Russian, Mojito, Screwdriver etc etc

[davereid]

Wasn't it DB that ran the ads on how the stood up for the little man against the big government bullies? Looks like they have created a case for one of their own Tui billboards.

You can't sorry.

DB have also registered the phrase "yeah right".

[Bald Eagle]

The latest round in this is another brewer applying to trademark the term 'shandy' - the IP office will get egg on it's face if it refuses and look even more stupid if it approves.

But then they can charge/license the term for use by DB :lol:

The Moutere Brewing Company (http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5347612/Next-round-in-bitter-beer-battle/) is trying to trademark the term "Shandy" in its battle against DB Breweries and the Intellectual Property Office.

[avgas]

heh and you lot think DB make money by selling beer.

[jim.cox]

heh and you lot think DB make money by selling beer.

The stuff DB makes and sells aint beer - its weasel piss pure & simple

[davereid]

The stuff DB makes and sells aint beer - its weasel piss pure & simple

Yep, IMHO most of the products made by the big manufacturers should not be able to be called beer.

They should be "alcoholic beverages" to avoid breaching the fair trading act.

But, maybe DB agree.

They don't actually put the word beer on Tui.

[Scuba_Steve]

They should be "alcoholic beverages" to avoid breaching the fair trading act.


calling any beer an "alcoholic beverage" would definitely be breaching the fair trading act, "alcoholic beverages" would suggest they contained alcohol :shutup::innocent:

[blue rider]

there is only one good law ever to be created, regulating not only the make, but the servings and the sales period to prevent "piss'" or sour beer from being sold.


I present the Bavarian Purity Law from 1516 (yeast as ingredient not included in the first law, but is mentioned later somewhere around 1550)


We decree, establish and ordain at the behest of the Lords of Bavaria that henceforth in all the land, in the countryside as well as our towns and marketplaces, there is no other policy than this: From Michaelmas until the Feast of St George, one mug or 'head' of beer will not be sold for more than one Munich penny; and from the Feast of St George until Michaelmas, a mug will not be sold for more than two pennies of the same reckoning, and a head for no more than three heller, under pain of penalty. But when one brews any beer (other than Marzenbier), it will under no circumstances be poured or sold for more than one penny per mug. Further we decree that henceforth in all our towns, marketplaces and the whole of the countryside, no beer shall contain or be brewed with more ingredients than grain, hops, and water. He who knowingly violates these laws will be summarily fined a keg of beer, each time it happens. However, if a publican buys one, two, or three Eimer of beer from a brewery in our towns, marketplaces, or the whole countryside, to sell to the local townspeople, to him alone will it be allowed and permitted to sell mugs and heads of beer for one Heller more than is written above. Also the Lords of Bavaria reserve the right to decree appropriate changes to this decree for the public benefit in the event that strong hardship arises from shortages and price increases of grains (since the seasons and the region and the harvest times in our land can vary); in that event the right to adjust the regulations over the sale are explicitly expressed and established.

Mug/Mass= (Bavarian) 1.069 Liters
Head = round container for fluids, containing slightly less than one Bavarian 'mug'
Heller = Munich half-penny
Eimer/bucket = 60 Bavarian 'mugs' (64 liters)

the law still exists and in order to sell Bier...must be adhered to, all other beer like beverages must be labeled as such, an addendum was created in the nineties to allow "beer" containing artificial flavors and such...:sick:

I like local breweries, and have heard that many good beers are served in the south island. I must go on a beer tasting roundtrip eventually.

[Voltaire]

there is only one good law ever to be created, regulating not only the make, but the servings and the sales period to prevent "piss'" or sour beer from being sold.


I present the Bavarian Purity Law from 1516 (yeast as ingredient not included in the first law, but is mentioned later somewhere around 1550)


We decree, establish and ordain at the behest of the Lords of Bavaria that henceforth in all the land, in the countryside as well as our towns and marketplaces, there is no other policy than this: From Michaelmas until the Feast of St George, one mug or 'head' of beer will not be sold for more than one Munich penny; and from the Feast of St George until Michaelmas, a mug will not be sold for more than two pennies of the same reckoning, and a head for no more than three heller, under pain of penalty. But when one brews any beer (other than Marzenbier), it will under no circumstances be poured or sold for more than one penny per mug. Further we decree that henceforth in all our towns, marketplaces and the whole of the countryside, no beer shall contain or be brewed with more ingredients than grain, hops, and water. He who knowingly violates these laws will be summarily fined a keg of beer, each time it happens. However, if a publican buys one, two, or three Eimer of beer from a brewery in our towns, marketplaces, or the whole countryside, to sell to the local townspeople, to him alone will it be allowed and permitted to sell mugs and heads of beer for one Heller more than is written above. Also the Lords of Bavaria reserve the right to decree appropriate changes to this decree for the public benefit in the event that strong hardship arises from shortages and price increases of grains (since the seasons and the region and the harvest times in our land can vary); in that event the right to adjust the regulations over the sale are explicitly expressed and established.

Mug/Mass= (Bavarian) 1.069 Liters
Head = round container for fluids, containing slightly less than one Bavarian 'mug'
Heller = Munich half-penny
Eimer/bucket = 60 Bavarian 'mugs' (64 liters)

the law still exists and in order to sell Bier...must be adhered to, all other beer like beverages must be labeled as such, an addendum was created in the nineties to allow "beer" containing artificial flavors and such...:sick:

I like local breweries, and have heard that many good beers are served in the south island. I must go on a beer tasting roundtrip eventually.

I was led to believe the law was brought in less for beer making as to stop brewers using bakers wheat and driving the price of wheat up.
Did the Lowenbrau ( Lion Beer...) tour once....ends up in the boardroom eating pretsels , cheese, ham and lots of beer....I don't even think there was a charge back then.
Dragged a lot of Munich beer glasses back in the sidecar to London.....Fullers Brewery does a good tour...and your left to it at the bar....
Commercial beer here is piss, the better the adds the poorer the beer.. I make home brew now...you can tweek up Coopers kits quite a bit with additional hops and grains. Got a nice porter and Epic clone at the moment....yum
The kits are about $80 at Pak n Save....hops and grains I get from Brewers Coop.....good fun.

[blue rider]

I was led to believe the law was brought in less for beer making as to stop brewers using bakers wheat and driving the price of wheat up.
Did the Lowenbrau ( Lion Beer...) tour once....ends up in the boardroom eating pretsels , cheese, ham and lots of beer....I don't even think there was a charge back then.
Dragged a lot of Munich beer glasses back in the sidecar to London.....Fullers Brewery does a good tour...and your left to it at the bar....
Commercial beer here is piss, the better the adds the poorer the beer.. I make home brew now...you can tweek up Coopers kits quite a bit with additional hops and grains. Got a nice porter and Epic clone at the moment....yum
The kits are about $80 at Pak n Save....hops and grains I get from Brewers Coop.....good fun.

unfortunatly I live in an small studio, so brewing is still in the future, but I make a mean vin d'orange...:yes: (the mess It makes......:sunny:)
the "purity law" (more correctly translated as the cleanliness law) was brought about because brewers were effectivly cought mixing all sorts of stuff into the brews so as to make it more potent, going so far as using poor grain and poisonous plants to hide foul taste, some of the plants inducing weird dreams.... (good times, good times), but also to prevent price gauging and short selling, and imposing rules on pooring mesurements.
The peace of the land sometimes depends on the right of the citizenry to get high...wish our overlords would learn...:shutup:

and if ever you make it back to bavaria, leave Loewenbraeu - they are comparable to any other large industrial brewery, go to Andechs instead
http://www.destination-munich.com/kloster-andechs.html

if/when you do, take puplic transport

[Usarka]

Yep, IMHO most of the products made by the big manufacturers should not be able to be called beer.
They should be "alcoholic beverages" to avoid breaching the fair trading act.
But, maybe DB agree.
They don't actually put the word beer on Tui.

But Tui does say "pale ale" when in fact it is not a pale ale at all, it's a lager.

I wonder if they've trademarked "pale ale" too.....?

Maybe a fair trading complaint is in order :whistle:

[Voltaire]

unfortunatly I live in an small studio, so brewing is still in the future, but I make a mean vin d'orange...:yes: (the mess It makes......:sunny:)
the "purity law" (more correctly translated as the cleanliness law) was brought about because brewers were effectivly cought mixing all sorts of stuff into the brews so as to make it more potent, going so far as using poor grain and poisonous plants to hide foul taste, some of the plants inducing weird dreams.... (good times, good times), but also to prevent price gauging and short selling, and imposing rules on pooring mesurements.
The peace of the land sometimes depends on the right of the citizenry to get high...wish our overlords would learn...:shutup:

and if ever you make it back to bavaria, leave Loewenbraeu - they are comparable to any other large industrial brewery, go to Andechs instead
http://www.destination-munich.com/kloster-andechs.html

if/when you do, take puplic transport

Back in the olden days ( the late 80's) before the internet there was bugger all info about European Beer and breweries.Beer tourism was unknown. I went to Pilzen and they didn't even have fridges in the pubs or supermarkets.:innocent:
Hardly any of the German brewers did tours...went to all the Munich ones and only Lovenbrau did one...
We had a 1970 BMW with what we were wearing,tent, sleeping bags, a change of clothes and a copy of " lets Go Europe".....times have changed for the better in that respect.
After my Trade Cert exam in 1982 I sprung for some 'exotic 'foreign beer.....Heiniken and VB......there was nothing else here. Galbraiths was still a library...
Der Post was a Post Office...:shit:

[spacemonkey]

I have refused to stock DB products in my store since this first blew up. I also told them why and invited them to have sex and travel. They didn't bother to reply funnily enough...

The IPO should be collectively shot for this bullshit decision. Fucking farcical.

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I'm an importer of beer from a Brewery in Germany that also makes Radler (been making it for over 60 fucking years FFS!!! ) the beer I am not allowed to mention to clients apparently :shutup: .
I'd like to thank you for taking a stand against this IPONZ idiocy and Corporate bully boy tactics.

Cheers fella you rock! :drinkup:

[shrub]

I'm an importer of beer from a Brewery in Germany that also makes Radler (been making it for over 60 fucking years FFS!!! ) the beer I am not allowed to mention to clients apparently :shutup: .
I'd like to thank you for taking a stand against this IPONZ idiocy and Corporate bully boy tactics.

Cheers fella you rock! :drinkup:

I won't buy anything from DB now and i have written to them to tell them so.

[davereid]

I won't buy anything from DB now and i have written to them to tell them so.

LOL me too.
they wrote back, copy below.

But the rule stands.

No DB products, caps, shirts, badges at my home, or my workplace. And actually, thats a lot of beer, especially the workshop.

DBs reply :

From : Jo.Jalfon@db.co.nz

Hi David, thanks for taking the time to email me. You’re probably aware that DB has brewed a wide range of award-winning beers for more than 80 years. Our website correctly lists all our products which also have our details on their packaging. Just for your background too, Monteith’s Radler was trade-marked nearly 10 years ago in good faith and without objection. The reason our trade mark was successful was because to the average Kiwi the term Radler meant, and continues to mean nothing. I’ve had a couple of emails from people who believe ‘Radler’ is like Chardonnay or Stout. But that’s not simply true. The name ‘Radler’ isn’t like 'Pilsner' or 'Lager' which are internationally-recognised style references for beers brewed with defined characteristics. Radler is in fact German for ‘cyclist’ and just one of many different regional names used to describe a beer and lemonade cocktail mix – or what most English-speaking countries call ‘shandy’. In Northern Germany, the same drink is known as an 'alsterwasser' or 'alster' but in France it’s called 'panaché’. In Ireland a mixed beer is called a 'Shandygaff'.Our registration of ‘Radler’ as a trade mark a decade ago hasn’t stopped other local brewers making mixed beer beverages. There are now three other Kiwi brewers making their own lemon or lime flavoured beers quite successfully. I’m sure there will be more to come. I hope this helps in some way.

Kind regards, Jo

[blue rider]

to trademark their "beer like beverage" as Monteith Radler is ok, as all it refers is their beer mixed with lemonade.
However to trademark "Radler" because it means nothing in NZ, what a bunch of arrogant pinheads!

[blue rider]

and to finish of, yes the french call it panache...they also speak french.

[spacemonkey]

The name ‘Radler’ isn’t like 'Pilsner' or 'Lager' which are internationally-recognised style references for beers brewed with defined characteristics

WRONG!!!!
"Radler" is most definitely an internationally recognised style.

DB also trademarked "Saison" a Belgian style of beer.... They dropped that one hoping that doing so would get SOBA off their backs about Radler..... Which was to totally miss the whole point of why SOBA was up in arms over the whole thing.

Seriously do IPONZ people not now how to do something as simple as a a google search??? :facepalm:
THEY ALLOWED"Saison" a very widely known and important style of beer to be trademarked as well as Radler.
MORONS!

The problem with this whole thing is that IPONZ is one of the very rare government entities that is not privy to the Ombudsman's office, so to challenge them means going straight to the high court and supreme court with is extremely expensive.... Far more than the average punter can afford at any rate.

[Voltaire]

Back in the day we used to wonder why DB export was called that...as who overseas would want to drink it....
Used to laugh at the bit on the label that said it won some award in a Euro brewing contest in 1968.....
"Get an Export down your neck sport":innocent:

[blue rider]

ze next time i go to ze pub, i will polish my wery german accent and order a RADLER or two,
hmmmm wonder what will happen. I usually always order a Shandy....must try it.

[Usarka]

Have the arsestains at DB also paid the IPONZ to trademark the word Black? or Red? or Pilsner?

[MD]

After a lifetime of being a DB drinker, well Monteiths mainly, I wont buy DB again on principle. Stocked up today on Stoke from Nelson.

The loudest message we can send them that they are being prats is a boycott. Nothing hurts a corporate more than falling sales.

I love the irony that this move by DB to crush boutique brewers is having the reverse effect. Ha Ha.

[pete376403]

Discovered Matsons last week, tried their dark (black, whatever its called) very nice. none at pack n save tonight so got some of their classic draught, goes down very nice too.
Guess I'll manage to get by withough DB.