Bloody sad way to go [Archive]

Paul in NZ

16th July 2011, 18:42

superman

16th July 2011, 18:55

Another suicide using police to do it for ya?

Blackshear

16th July 2011, 18:59

Another suicide using police to do it for ya?

Incredibly subtle, if at all.
He had a gun, we kiwis don't like guns.

Paul in NZ

16th July 2011, 19:00

Another suicide using police to do it for ya?

Does it make it less sad?

Ocean1

16th July 2011, 19:22

Does it make it less sad?

No. The fact it wasn't an innocent bystander or a child makes it less sad.

Give up the paper Paul, it's not giving you a good picture of the real world. In particular it's not telling you about the reasons to be cheerful. It doesn't sell papers.

Foxzee

16th July 2011, 19:25

Any suicide is tragic as people are left with the everlasting reason why?, any sudden death is tragic again we are left with the question why?, any accidental death the same.

However how sad it may be...this guy had a choice, he was given options, he posed a risk to the people that can help him.

Genie

16th July 2011, 19:30

...and another family mourns

this one affected many

death - ineveitable

how?.... can be up to us and our actions.

(hope my spelling was not too far wrong - too lazy to reach for dictionary)

jaffaonajappa

16th July 2011, 19:52

He was such a threat, the Special Tactics Group was called in?
Seems theres lots not yet mentioned by the media....but....Glad no one else was killed, and the cops sorted it. Sorry....but point a gun at a cop, or threaten to shoot them, while the AOS or bloody STG is present, and you get shot. Simple.

jonbuoy

16th July 2011, 19:58

Beat up a waitress, wave a shotgun at a busy restaurant and police - expect to get shot. Cheaper for the tax payers than jail.

Brett

16th July 2011, 20:09

Beat up a waitress, wave a shotgun at a busy restaurant and police - expect to get shot. Cheaper for the tax payers than jail.

With ya. Asking me to feel sorry for him is like asking me to feel sorry for the clown who blew himself up earlier this year in his P lab. Some people are just better dead than alive.

Indiana_Jones

16th July 2011, 21:04

Awww I love watching the pigs play dress up lol

-Indy

pc220

16th July 2011, 21:17

Grubber

16th July 2011, 21:26

Not really too upset about any of this. Reap what ya sew i say. Better of gone than burning up my tax dollar and or causing more grief with the human race.

Spearfish

17th July 2011, 00:26

Sad alright, 3 investigations into the shooting?
Little wonder police don't want to be permanently armed, the poor bastard who pulled the trigger gets to be chewed on by some officious little wankers for 6 months if not years.

dangerous

17th July 2011, 07:14

Sigh....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5295727/Police-shoot-gunman-Anthony-Ratahi-dead

Gods teeth - people make life so fuckin hard eh? Stones fall into the pool of life and the ripples work outwards intersecting others but shit like this causes tidal waves.... sad....
I find nothing sad about it, one less cunt around to threaten my family, cops obviously knew him and took reasonble action... next please.

Awww I love watching the pigs play dress up lol

-Indy
and next time if its a family member of yours in trouble and the "police" dont interven and your loved one dies... you may be more polite.

I'm pleased to see the PC shit in this country is relaxing ie: most posters here have no issues with the out come.

JimO

17th July 2011, 07:24

good job police

Paul in NZ

17th July 2011, 07:48

Berries

17th July 2011, 07:58

Its sad because its just such a monumental waste of time and potential.
The only potential I see here is for innocent people being caught up in his world.

Ratahi has previously been charged with assaulting a woman using a knife and injuring with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.
One less productive member of society? I don't think so. Kenny Everett had it about right.

nzspokes

17th July 2011, 08:02

I find nothing sad about it, one less cunt around to threaten my family, cops obviously knew him and took reasonble action... next please.

and next time if its a family member of yours in trouble and the "police" dont interven and your loved one dies... you may be more polite.

I'm pleased to see the PC shit in this country is relaxing ie: most posters here have no issues with the out come.

The sad part is the guys family. And for the police that were there. They will now be going through all kinds of hell. How would it feel to take a life? Then be investigated for it for a very long time. Knowing some police that have been there its a life changer.

dangerous

17th July 2011, 08:16

Its sad because its just such a monumental waste of time and potential. Sad because whatever point he was going to make or thing he was going to do was never going to work.... Sad because of the trauma to all those involved and double sad for the people directly involved in his death.

Gods teeth - there are so many things we could all be working on but we just sit still and spin our wheels in this shityeah yeah I know... but Ill be fucked if Ill wast any time over it as I have my own 'sad' issues to deal with...

The sad part is the guys family. And for the police that were there. They will now be going through all kinds of hell. How would it feel to take a life? Then be investigated for it for a very long time. Knowing some police that have been there its a life changer.I do relise that...

As far as the guys family, well they never stray far from their own camp, police, well they take the job knowing very well this might happen... SAD would be if another cop was shot dead with a young family waiting at home, end of.

IMHO, this shit aint news worthy, push him aside and let the beter citasins of socity get on with their life now less at risk.

Headbanger

17th July 2011, 10:09

The only sad part is they could have just beat him to death, then everyone would have got a turn.

Smifffy

17th July 2011, 11:15

What is sad is that the girl and the other people around the deceased had to put up with his crap behaviour for so long before it was stopped, with probably the only method of intervention that would ensure permanent results.

Maybe if more of these situations ended this way, there would be less of these situations?

scumdog

17th July 2011, 12:10

Maybe if more of these situations ended this way, there would be less of these situations?

Sadly some ding-a-lings WANT it to end this way for themselves - they want to be shot by 'da pig' and go out in a 'blaze of glory' - suicide by cop.

And for them to think being shot dead is going out in a blaze of glory only confirms what a fruit-loop they really are/were.

Their 'glorious death' report will be tomorrows fish'n'chip wrapper and that's it for them.....I suspect some don't realise you're dead for a bloody long time and you don't actually get to hang around hearing your mates say what an awesome finish you had and what a hero you were...

FJRider

17th July 2011, 12:20

.....I suspect some don't realise you're dead for a bloody long time and you don't actually get to hang around hearing your mates say what an awesome finish you had and what a hero you were...

I very much doubt if HIS mates (if he HAD any real mates) ... would actually say that ...

AND ... I doubt if ANY of his mates will take the time off work (if they had a job) ... to go to his funeral ... even if they knew when and where it was being held ...

The term "Legend in his own mind" ... applies here I think ...

avgas

17th July 2011, 12:47

Lifes a bitch, then she leaves you, then you go find her with a rifle, then the cops kill you.

Sorry no sympathy from me. Someone threatens a lady with a rifle/pistol then me - I am lining up the sights and pulling the trigger as fast as I can.
We all make decisions in life that could get us killed. Would you walk up to Mugabe and piss on his shoes????

The bigger man would have walked away and made a new life for himself. The weaker one gets shot. Tough decision. :violin:

Smifffy

17th July 2011, 13:48

Sadly some ding-a-lings WANT it to end this way for themselves - they want to be shot by 'da pig' and go out in a 'blaze of glory' - suicide by cop.

And for them to think being shot dead is going out in a blaze of glory only confirms what a fruit-loop they really are/were.

Their 'glorious death' report will be tomorrows fish'n'chip wrapper and that's it for them.....I suspect some don't realise you're dead for a bloody long time and you don't actually get to hang around hearing your mates say what an awesome finish you had and what a hero you were...

Yeah, I'm not advocating suicide by cop. I am advocating serious long term consequences for violent and drug offenders.

Last time he tried this shit he got 6 months inside, this time he got shot. I think the consequences this time were a lot more realistic than last time.

Hitcher

17th July 2011, 14:46

Some people are just better dead than alive.

I've got news for you: We're all going to die. "Goodness" has little impact in terms of how long we live. It may contribute to our individual qualities of life. It may make a beneficial difference to those with whom we associate. It may not. Being misunderstood is one of life's great mysteries. It may even lead to one's death, as it did to a certain chap a couple of nights ago in Opunake.

His family may grieve for him. They have a right to do that. He was somebody's son. He may have been loved by those who knew him well.

What led him to do what he did, we can only speculate about. The NZ Police don't routinely apply lethal force. We can only speculate about that as well. Many decisions don't generally withstand scrutiny after the fact. Whether they were right or wrong at the time they were made is often hypothetical nonsense.

No doubt we will learn more about these unfortunate events over the coming weeks.

fuknKIWI

17th July 2011, 14:58

The only sad part is they could have just beat him to death, then everyone would have got a turn.
LOL:woohoo:
Natural selection.

Elysium

17th July 2011, 15:34

No. The fact it wasn't an innocent bystander or a child makes it less sad.

Give up the paper Paul, it's not giving you a good picture of the real world. In particular it's not telling you about the reasons to be cheerful. It doesn't sell papers.
It's tits and arse that sells papers.

-Rupert Murdoch, I think.

scumdog

17th July 2011, 17:21

I've got news for you: We're all going to die. "Goodness" has little impact in terms of how long we live.

Gosh, you can be SUCH a grinch!

I'm sure some on KB were blithely unaware of that fact...die?..moi?? !:blink:

Kickaha

17th July 2011, 17:27

I'm sure some on KB were blithely unaware of that fact...die?..moi?? !:blink:

"It'll never happen to me"

schrodingers cat

17th July 2011, 20:18

Actually the thing that is truly sad is the effect it will have on the guy who had to shoot him.
What a shitty job.

nudemetalz

18th July 2011, 12:14

Actually the thing that is truly sad is the effect it will have on the guy who had to shoot him.
What a shitty job.

You are right...but that's what he's trained to do.
He could be some traffic cop with a radar gun, instead he chooses to have a semi-auto.

Indiana_Jones

18th July 2011, 12:45

You are right...but that's what he's trained to do.
He could be some traffic cop with a radar gun, instead he chooses to have a semi-auto.

I thought all radar guns were semi? you know, so they can get more tickets out....:shutup:

-Indy

scumdog

18th July 2011, 18:29

I thought all radar guns were semi? you know, so they can get more tickets out....:shutup:

-Indy

And the screams from those that are 'hit' by both types of gun are equally loud.

Big Dave

18th July 2011, 19:00

Actually the thing that is truly sad is the effect it will have on the guy who had to shoot him.
What a shitty job.

I know a few 'Hut-huts' personally. Of those I know, no pity needed. Just respect.

Brett

18th July 2011, 21:33

You are right...but that's what he's trained to do.
He could be some traffic cop with a radar gun, instead he chooses to have a semi-auto.

The STG boys are not your usual run of the mil coppers. They train with 1NZSAS and CTTAG /Commando's and are well aware of what their job could/does entail. I guess no amount of training can prepare you for ending someone elses life, but as you said, it is all part of the job and training.

Brett

18th July 2011, 21:40

I know a few 'Hut-huts' personally. Of those I know, no pity needed. Just respect.

Agreed. Have had the privilege of meeting a few and even one of the guys who trains NZSAS in handling combat situations etc and while they are humble, honest, respectable people, I have no doubt at all that when it comes time to do what they are trained to do, there is no hesitation.