What's happened to the Winter Series?

[Rcktfsh]

Where are all the bike this year? Vic club seem to be doing there normal great job and great to have the internet coverage (not that many people seem to use it according to the stats when watching the live feed had 26 viewers allday) but the fields are pathetic. Take F1 for example qualifying was
1st. Cole 1.10.9
2nd. Frost 1.11.9
3rd. Holmes 1.12.1
4th. McCarroll 1.16.5
5th. Carrol 1.16.8

Six seconds between 1st & 5th!
Fastest postie would have placed 4th on the grid as their time was a 1.15.9 (track being dry but cold for both sessions) and were talking a 50 yr old overweight cheese eating dutchman here with dubious personal habits on a 22 yr old overweight stock (bar Ohlins shock) bike that admittidly looks in marginally better condition than its owner.

I can appreciate that last years run of shocking weather may have put some riders off this years winter series but so far its been pretty good, maybe i'm just being pessimistic and everyones saving their $'s for the summer racing...I hope so.

[CHOPPA]

Yeah I think everyone is just sick of riding in the rain. The vic club have really stepped up and they ran a bloody good day yesterday.

Track temp for our first practice was 0.1 deg

[CHOPPA]

Fastest postie would have placed 4th on the grid as their time was a 1.15.9 (track being dry but cold for both sessions) and were talking a 50 yr old overweight cheese eating dutchman here with dubious personal habits on a 22 yr old overweight stock (bar Ohlins shock) bike that admittidly looks in marginally better condition than its owner.


Looking at the whole day his time wouldnt would have only got him 13th in F1, 8 seconds off the pace. (as expected) F1 had the first practice I think common sense prevailed

[Rcktfsh]

On race finishing times he would have finished 6th in r1, 9th in r2 & 6th in r3 and to be fair those times were with no competition in the posties races which had even bigger gaps r1 winning margin being 18 secs, r2 25 secs & r3 20 secs. I'm not just picking on f1 chop across the classes things are dire.

[Robert Taylor]

On race finishing times he would have finished 6th in r1, 9th in r2 & 6th in r3 and to be fair those times were with no competition in the posties races which had even bigger gaps r1 winning margin being 18 secs, r2 25 secs & r3 20 secs. I'm not just picking on f1 chop across the classes things are dire.

I think Shane that its also got a little bit to do with the economic situation. Riders appear on Friday to ride around but dont turn up on the Saturday because its a lot of money for not so much racing / so few laps, seen that more than a wee bit.

Just maybe also some competitors are looking more towards the Tri Series?

For testing with the National level riders ( I was helping Chop and Nick ) you can only do so much as the track temp is so low it doesnt ''load'' the bikes. As the track temperature falls tyre temperature falls parabolically. I have been constantly monitoring track and tyre temps and are very clearly seeing this correlation.

[Rcktfsh]

Haven't I warned you about that thinking carry on before Wobert, it'll do you know good you know. Apparently Paulas being pawning his body around the street corners of South Auckland & saved eneogh dosh for a shock so you should be hearing from him soon if you haven't already.

[Robert Taylor]

Haven't I warned you about that thinking carry on before Wobert, it'll do you know good you know. Apparently Paulas being pawning his body around the street corners of South Auckland & saved eneogh dosh for a shock so you should be hearing from him soon if you haven't already.

Ill leave the thinking to you barristers and your theatrical courtroom antics representing the guilty as sin!

[Tony.OK]

Riders appear on Friday to ride around but dont turn up on the Saturday because its a lot of money for not so much racing / so few laps, seen that more than a wee bit.



For me at the moment that is the case....also its nice to have a stressless day just having fun on the bike.
$100 for 5-6 20 min sessions on Fri = near 100 laps
$140odd for raceday, 3 races + qual = 22 laps

Yeah I'm soft now, I haven't got wets or spares so no pressure days suit me fine just now............

Was chatting with Spud about the 4 lap qual sessions and for guys to turn up after a month or 2 off the bike and have to re settle into pace on a cold track in 4 laps just ain't gonna give ya fast qualifying times if the Fri test day wasn't done prior.
Thats my take on things at the mo......

[Shaun]

The problem is my fault, there is NO WANKERS there for any one to abuse, perhaps I best get there to help out and give them some one to abuse eh

[Pussy]

Where are all the bike this year?

Next time I'm spectating at a Vic club round, I'll lift you up to the top of the wall so you can actually SEE what's on the track.....

[Robert Taylor]

Next time I'm spectating at a Vic club round, I'll lift you up to the top of the wall so you can actually SEE what's on the track.....

What youll adopt a dwarf for a day? Will you also get to play that Randy Newman record?

[Pussy]

What youll adopt a dwarf for a day? Will you also get to play that Randy Newman record?

I still reckon that Shayne should do the decent thing, and make himself available for dwarf throwing competitions....

[Shaun]

I still reckon that Shayne should do the decent thing, and make himself available for dwarf throwing competitions....



you would need some mussels to take part in that, not just Lard

[Robert Taylor]

Shellfish???????

[SWERVE]

Just to rub it in a bit from down south................
Yesterday was Rd 1 of King Of Levels winter series we had
A glorious sunny day max temp hit 14 deg:sunny::sunny:
110 entries with all classes well represented - even a field of sidecars:shit:
Lots of new faces in clubmans:woohoo:
The Ambo didnt move all day:yes:
And some early signs of good times by some..........:scooter::scooter:

Go the south & MCC:rockon:

[Kickaha]

Just to rub it in a bit from down south................
Yesterday was Rd 1 of King Of Levels winter series we had
A glorious sunny day max temp hit 14 deg:sunny::sunny:
110 entries with all classes well represented - even a field of sidecars:shit:
Lots of new faces in clubmans:woohoo:
The Ambo didnt move all day:yes:
And some early signs of good times by some..........:scooter::scooter:

Go the south & MCC:rockon:

Bloody good day too, although there was a few bike pick ups holding things up and the only oil I heard about go down WASN"T from a sidecar :lol:

[Shaun]

Shellfish???????



Yes I should use spell check or grow a brain cell or 2

[SWERVE]

Bloody good day too, although there was a few bike pick ups holding things up and the only oil I heard about go down WASN"T from a sidecar :lol:

You are all trying hard to "keep the smoke on the inside" of the engines untill you can go and lubricate them Nth Is circuits......................... sneaky trick
Haaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa:facepalm:

Yep GOOD day:woohoo:

[grantnz]

Yeah I think everyone is just sick of riding in the rain. The vic club have really stepped up and they ran a bloody good day yesterday.

Track temp for our first practice was 0.1 deg

So track temp was colder than a kiss from your mother in law?

[RobGassit]

Just to rub it in a bit from down south................
Yesterday was Rd 1 of King Of Levels winter series we had
A glorious sunny day max temp hit 14 deg:sunny::sunny:
110 entries with all classes well represented - even a field of sidecars:shit:
Lots of new faces in clubmans:woohoo:
The Ambo didnt move all day:yes:
And some early signs of good times by some..........:scooter::scooter:

Go the south & MCC:rockon:

Lucky Buggers.

[roadracingoldfart]

Yeah I'm soft now, I haven't got wets or spares so no pressure days suit me fine just now............

I say nuffin .... :shutup:


The problem is my fault, there is NO WANKERS there for any one to abuse, perhaps I best get there to help out and give them some one to abuse eh

Thats ok Shaun , i was there to stand in for you.


What youll adopt a dwarf for a day? Will you also get to play that Randy Newman record?

Hes go the entire box set collection Robert , hes a bit sick.


I still reckon that Shayne should do the decent thing, and make himself available for dwarf throwing competitions....

Pervey bastard


you would need some mussels to take part in that, not just Lard

Its his muscle i would look out for Shaun , hes got reputation all over your region.

[Yow Ling]

Lucky Buggers.

The sneaky pricks charged $65 to enter on the day. Scammed

[SWERVE]

The sneaky pricks charged $65 to enter on the day. Scammed
Not scammed..........
Check the website it was posted that if you didnt pre-enter it was $15 extra.............. so pre-enter next time (if you dont turn up money will be refunded or carried over till next meeting/your choice)
See how much it cost for a cold Manfield with only pre entry available.......:blink:
Sign on/etc takes up far too much of the day so has to be improved.....progress

[CHOPPA]

It cost $210 for me to enter at manfeild and i have my own transponder

[Shaun]

It cost $210 for me to enter at manfeild and i have my own transponder



should have done all ya races then ya pussie.

[cowpoos]

Shellfish???????

pipi's ??????

[Shaun]

[QUOTE=roadracingoldfart;1130110532]I say nuffin .... :shutup:



Thats ok Shaun , i was there to stand in for you.



Hahahahaha











Its his muscle i would look out for Shaun , hes got reputation all over your region.

What, for sitting down to piss:facepalm:

[Shaun]

pipi's ??????


Diamonds and Poison come in small parcells dude--- Shit, I hope I speld that write

[Kickaha]

It cost $210 for me to enter at manfeild and i have my own transponder

Cost us $105 and that was hiring a transponder and buying a day licence :bleh:

Think our track hire will be cheaper though

[CHOPPA]

yeah if i was more organised it could have been $90 haha

[yungatart]

yeah if i was more organised it could have been $90 haha

More organised? You? Now, that I would almost pay to see....:corn:

[Clivoris]

I must add my accolades to the great work that Skunk and his army of vollies are doing this year. The meeting are running very smoothly despite the many challenges that pop up. They all deserve a medal.
I'm one of those who simply can't afford to race the Actrix Winter Series. Any finance is being stretched to breaking point to get my daughter GirrlRacer out there in Streetstock. This has only been possible due to the generosity of those such as Wharfy, Ridelife, Shaun, Billy, Jeff, Dr Steve and others. The cheap entry for juniors helps heaps as well. Luckily I have a transponder.
I am getting into buckets as a more affordable option but my bank manager hasn't been impressed with my version of "affordable" so far:facepalm:.

[CHOPPA]

More organised? You? Now, that I would almost pay to see....:corn:

Yeah its prob not gonna happen but its a nice idea!

[RobGassit]

I must add my accolades to the great work that Skunk and his army of vollies are doing this year. The meeting are running very smoothly despite the many challenges that pop up. They all deserve a medal.

Absolutely agree one 100%. Another fantastic round of the famous Winter Series. Well done Team.:first:

[slowpoke]

Just to rub it in a bit from down south................
Yesterday was Rd 1 of King Of Levels winter series we had
A glorious sunny day max temp hit 14 deg:sunny::sunny:
110 entries with all classes well represented - even a field of sidecars:shit:
Lots of new faces in clubmans:woohoo:
The Ambo didnt move all day:yes:
And some early signs of good times by some..........:scooter::scooter:

Go the south & MCC:rockon:

Considering all the problems down thatta way that's a farkin' great effort by all concerned. Well done MCC!

For myself the numbers just don't stack up doing a Northern club meet. I don't get to sling a leg over a bike that often so hanging around all day for just 22laps is an exercise in frustration. There's no chance to improve either my own riding or the bike so I just stick to the test days beforehand. It's not ideal, I'd rather be racing, but if I'm not getting anything out of it I'd rather spend the $$$ saved on heading South for some Summer skids.

[Shorty_925]

an exercise in frustration.

To me thats a test/track day. Id much rather be racing.

The flipside is at an off road(mx, cross country or enduro) meeting, Im happy to finish/survive the day and not after more riding for the day!

[Deano]

I'm not there cause the Doctor says so.

Only 3 more months to go.

[jellywrestler]

What youll adopt a dwarf for a day? Will you also get to play that Randy Newman record?
I'll have a Darker coloured one, you know a Leprecoon...

[jellywrestler]

So track temp was colder than a kiss from your mother in law?
Actually it was Colder than a Fritzl Family Reunion...

[cowpoos]

I'm not there cause the Doctor says so.

Only 3 more months to go.

Testicle implant healing well :innocent:

[Deano]

Testicle implant healing well :innocent:

Says he from the safety of his couch :Pokey:

[cowpoos]

Says he from the safety of his couch :Pokey:

hmmmmmmmm.......while it maybe true (is actually)........dammit!.......I still have no money!!!


I'll be back though!!

[Shaun]

hmmmmmmmm.......while it maybe true (is actually)........dammit!.......I still have no money!!!


I'll be back though!!



Good on ya mate, I got down to 75 cents to my name last week:laugh: been about 37 years since I have been that poor O WELL

[CHOPPA]

Good on ya mate, I got down to 75 cents to my name last week:laugh: been about 37 years since I have been that poor O WELL

Better then -75c

[Shaun]

Better then -75c

I am as happy as a PIG in SHIT mate, and nothing will ever stop me again, I am RICHER than any body on here with my experiences in life, and have years left in me to have cash lying around

[chrispy121]

i am going to do the taupo round in october
I just dont have the time off work to drive from auckland to manfield at the moment.

[Marknz]

20 bikes entered in Clubmans class for Round 4... this should make for some good racing

[gixerracer]

I am as happy as a PIG in SHIT mate, and nothing will ever stop me again, I am RICHER than any body on here with my experiences in life, and have years left in me to have cash lying around

cool story bro:drinknsin

[SWERVE]

Well im happy to say.......... yet another highly successful winter series round at Levels yesterday.
Although it was touch n go for one race when a thick fog bank blew in.... the rest of the day was cold but sunny.
Another healthy entry list and all classes well represented......... i had the pleasure of being P6 flaggie and recovery driver for the day ( the right hander before hairpin claimed 9 victims from cold tyres!!!!!!!) but no injuries to persons...... however a certain GSXR1000 looked very secondhand.
Highlights.......
Streetstock/buckets/prolite........ 43 on the grid...yes 43. A few older riders and a few riders of larger bikes had decided to use this class as extra seat time ........ oh and what great decision for the spectators.
Johnny Small(prolite) - Al & James Hoogie(buckets) - John Ross(streetstock) - Larry Ross(streetstock) - and the grandaddy of streetstock Pete Jones ..... this was the leading pack - you could have thrown a blanket over them for most of the races.
Best battle of the day was johnny Small and John Ross they were litrally locked together and some of the moves were beyond belief.... John Ross even tried the infield on a couple of occasions after JS closed the door.
Also in the mix for some of the time were young hopefuls Blake Henwood-Sparks and Glen Agate... both finding it hard to maintain the pace of the seasoned veterans for whole race distance but showing that they have what it takes.

1000/600 class. Although you North Islanders might have the monopoly on Superbike....... the south island IS 600 country.
Dennis Charlett - Al & James Hoogie - Johnny Small - Jake Lewis - Tim McArthur - Cam Jones and theres still more to come..!
Again the battles between them were epic. Races saw Jake Lewis and Tim McArthur in heated battles with Jake showing what he had learnt about "close racing" at Silverstone. Johnny Small with his trademark first lap holeshots... although his bike is bog stock. (im sure shaun has a motor waiting..... haha) Al Hoogie showing Dennis Charlett that he wants to be his successor.
There were many many more tales.................

If this is what winter series racing turns out then the next Nats are gonna be "off the chain"

[Kickaha]

Well im happy to say.......... yet another highly successful winter series round at Levels yesterday.

We've been very lucky so far, hopefully rd 3 will be the same


( the right hander before hairpin claimed 9 victims from cold tyres!!!!!!!) but no injuries to persons......
A certain bucket rider who frequents this forum was one of them and that was only the warm up lap :lol:

Johnny Small(prolite) - Al & James Hoogie(buckets) - John Ross(streetstock) - Larry Ross(streetstock) - and the grandaddy of streetstock Pete Jones ..... this was the leading pack - you could have thrown a blanket over them for most of the races. Cam Jones was hanging onto the back of the seven bike lead pack on a Bucket as well in the one I watched

[SWERVE]

We've been very lucky so far, hopefully rd 3 will be the same


A certain bucket rider who frequents this forum was one of them and that was only the warm up lap :lol:
Cam Jones was hanging onto the back of the seven bike lead pack on a Bucket as well in the one I watched

Yeah............. i believe P Jones was a victim on a warm up lap:Police: and how many times has he told juniors to take it easy.......... was it you Pete!

And yes u are quite correct Cam Jones was in the mix too.

OH oh oh and i forgot there were sidecars too:shifty: playing at "throwing the swinger" i believe.................. oh an heres one for irony.......... a certain black chair was spoken to by officials in regards to exceeding the db limit.......... who might that have been<_<

[CHOPPA]

I really like Johnny Small, I can see some big potential in that dude.

What was he riding to be dicing out with John?

[Kickaha]

Yeah............. i believe P Jones was a victim on a warm up lap:Police: and how many times has he told juniors to take it easy.......... was it you Pete!

Actually Pete did that right in front of me down there years ago on a warmup lap but this time it was someone who will remain nameless Buddha#81
oh crap did I type that out loud :whistle:


OH oh oh and i forgot there were sidecars too:shifty: playing at "throwing the swinger" i believe.
Yeah that was awesome because he did it right in front of us in turn one so we got an excellent view, my first thought was "that'll be a slab of piss" oh yeah I wonder if he's ok:laugh:


................. oh an heres one for irony.......... a certain black chair was spoken to by officials in regards to exceeding the db limit.......... who might that have been<_<
Could have been a certain exhaust pipe designer:killingme

[SWERVE]

I really like Johnny Small, I can see some big potential in that dude.

What was he riding to be dicing out with John?

He was on a 250 ninja ( the one he is selling on TM)
Yes he has a lot of potential............... and by god he does mind pushing his way through either....... ask John Ross:Punk:

[CHOPPA]

He was on a 250 ninja ( the one he is selling on TM)
Yes he has a lot of potential............... and by god he does mind pushing his way through either....... ask John Ross:Punk:

He was pushing John Ross on his superbike, on a 250 ninja????

[Ivan]

He was pushing John Ross on his superbike, on a 250 ninja????

if he was he needs to be in moto gp NOW

[Kickaha]

He was pushing John Ross on his superbike, on a 250 ninja????

Nah John stepped up to ride with the real hard men (or should that be boys)
of Motorcycle racing in the most hotly contested class

[CHOPPA]

Nah John stepped up to ride with the real hard men (or should that be boys)
of Motorcycle racing in the most hotly contested class

Now that would be fun!!

[oyster]

Yeah, I know that guy who binned it on the warmup lap. He muttered something about wanting get "crashing on warmup lap" and "lose front on righthander before hairpin" off his "must do list" Pretty happy to get both done in one go, now that's class...
Having just won a race race he suffered the curse as well:
"Pride comes before a fall"

I was right behind Johnny Small and John Ross when they started their demolition derby antics. It was Johnny really, John was just trying to resist the riding that I can only describe as dangerous and dirty. For my own safety I had to back off to avoid the inevitable carnage, and it did come.

[oyster]

"What's happened to Winter Series?"
I missed the first round and I was told it was fantastic, so made it a "must" for round 2
Absolutely top meeting. Great weather. Heaps of classes and everyone got heaps of close, fun, safe racing in big feilds.
125GP, F3, Streetstock, prolite, buckets, sidecars and motards. F1/F2.And then training for newcomers and 10 -12 year olds.
Great atmosphere in the pits. BBQ's going and plenty of families enjoying social time. Lots of people moving around helping each other out.
Ex and current champions rolling up their sleeves to help the young elite go forward.
I met a 9 year old just busting to get out there when he turns 10.
A huge number of Training, Streetstock graduates still teenagers but now with a ton of experience and moving up into 600's, pro twin and 125GP. And these kids don't just have local ambitions, they plan to do Nationals (and beyond!)

Could a Winter Series get any better!

[SWERVE]

Have to agree with ya Pete. The atmosphere and day were great with everybody mucking in and making it a success. Got my first chance to work with the marshalling/official crew and that was very enjoyable too. Great bunch of people.

Yes the John & Johnny show was certainly " hard stuff" if that had been done too or around a junior rider i would have had something to say. However as the riders immeadiately around them were yourself and others who would have given him a nudge back........ (did see you shaking your head though):no:
Exciting as it is too watch from a spectator point of view......... not really good habits to show the youngsters in training. However you should have seen the determination from young Glen Agate trying to get into that lead bunch and take part.

+1 The junior program is sure paying us back now with some AWESOME talent........ you should be very proud Pete.

[Billy]

Have to agree with ya Pete. The atmosphere and day were great with everybody mucking in and making it a success. Got my first chance to work with the marshalling/official crew and that was very enjoyable too. Great bunch of people.

Yes the John & Johnny show was certainly " hard stuff" if that had been done too or around a junior rider i would have had something to say. However as the riders immeadiately around them were yourself and others who would have given him a nudge back........ (did see you shaking your head though):no:
Exciting as it is too watch from a spectator point of view......... not really good habits to show the youngsters in training. However you should have seen the determination from young Glen Agate trying to get into that lead bunch and take part.

+1 The junior program is sure paying us back now with some AWESOME talent........ you should be very proud Pete.

Are you sure???Cause theres a bunch of experts up here that are convinced youve got it wrong,The bikes are not flash enough and are slow old piles of junk that people dont want to start out on,Bwahahahahahaha,ROFLMAO!!!

Well done for the results you guys are getting,Keep up the good work and let me know if theres anything I can do to help.

[oyster]

Yeah Billy, we're used to the experts telling us it's all wrong. My boss had a sign on the design office door that said.
"Would those who say it can't be done please not disturb those that are doing it"

[Buddha#81]

I met a 9 year old just busting to get out there when he turns 10.


Yes Pete thanks for the advice and MCI support. Jackson will be at round 1 of KOR and round 3 of KOL on a lowered Aprillia RS50.......Stoked the club has all the safety gear needed in his midget size, buggared if I want to be shelling out for leathers and boots for the speed the little shit grows, he would be in new gear every 6 months.

Oh and whoever binned on the second lap of the second S/S race to allow me back to the pits to carry out repairs and get to the restart....cheers!

[Buddha#81]

Actually Pete did that right in front of me down there years ago on a warmup lap but this time it was someone who will remain nameless Buddha#81
oh crap did I type that out loud :whistle:


Yes, as far as crashing goes I rather bin at a nice quiet club meet at the back part of the circuit.....I can only think how imbarrasing it would be sliding across the start finish line on my ass in front of 100's!:laugh:

[SWERVE]

Are you sure???Cause theres a bunch of experts up here that are convinced youve got it wrong,The bikes are not flash enough and are slow old piles of junk that people dont want to start out on,Bwahahahahahaha,ROFLMAO!!!

Well done for the results you guys are getting,Keep up the good work and let me know if theres anything I can do to help.

Yeah we got it SOOOO wrong Billy:no: So wrong that senior riders drop back into the class to hone their skills and experience some close racing.:Punk:

[CHOPPA]

Yeah we got it SOOOO wrong Billy:no: So wrong that senior riders drop back into the class to hone their skills and experience some close racing.:Punk:

Who are the national level MX riders you have found to race street stock?

[cowpoos]

Who are the national level MX riders you have found to race street stock?

I think he may have confused MX with BMX or other forms of cycling...Top level MX riders are far higher skilled than most club 600 and superbike riders. Streetstcock wouldn't be fun for them....

[CHOPPA]

Oh I see what you were replying to. Billy was just going off half cocked getting himself confused and missing the point.

[Kickaha]

Streetstcock wouldn't be fun for them....

Why not? don't they like close competitive racing?

[CHOPPA]

Why not? don't they like close competitive racing?

Because James Steward and Chad Reed dont race them, you cant just go and buy a fully sick monster energy sticker kit for them, plus they dont make you irresistable to the ladies hahaah

[Ivan]

Because James Steward and Chad Reed dont race them, you cant just go and buy a fully sick monster energy sticker kit for them, plus they dont make you irresistable to the ladies hahaah

flat cap backl to front tattoos on arms monster kits and a dirt bike your instantly a babe magnet hahaha oh and even better if your me and have all the above bar monster kit and have a commodore ute lowered on 17s hahaha

babe magnet........................


but good to see streetstocks still thriving down south to pete is my old 150 still racing????

[slowpoke]

Are you sure???Cause theres a bunch of experts up here that are convinced youve got it wrong,The bikes are not flash enough and are slow old piles of junk that people dont want to start out on,Bwahahahahahaha,ROFLMAO!!!

Well done for the results you guys are getting,Keep up the good work and let me know if theres anything I can do to help.


Yeah Billy, we're used to the experts telling us it's all wrong. My boss had a sign on the design office door that said.
"Would those who say it can't be done please not disturb those that are doing it"


Yeah we got it SOOOO wrong Billy:no: So wrong that senior riders drop back into the class to hone their skills and experience some close racing.:Punk:

Haha, you crazy young kids.......folks mention a slightly different avenue that might be worth exploring and the dummy is spat in the dirt, and the bike is hurled into the bushes. Sheesh, so much sensitivity! Who knew the youth of today were so fragile? Point taken, we'll try to be a lil' more PC next time lest we crush your inner caterpillar before it has a chance to transform into a beautiful butterfly.

Our apologies, times have obviously changed, we've failed to adapt and we'll do our absolute best to modify our rough behaviour in the future. If you feel a lil' intimidated confronting the issue head on then maybe we can come up with a "safe" word....you know, like "fire truck" or something? As soon as you feel a lil' uncomfortable just say the word(s) and we'll know we've gone too far and back off. No, there's no pressure to answer right now, and feel free to run the idea past your therapist. In the meantime just remember: fire truck....ok?

For those with a humour-ectomy: the above is a pisstake. You guys do an awesome job, but holy snappin' duckshit are you sensitive, lol. Folks aren't having a go at you, they're just trying to help and thinking of other things that would help boost the sport. There is no replacing what you are doing, it's not a "one way or the other" situation it's just something else worth exploring that could run in parallel with your efforts. But if all else fails just remember: fire truck......

[slowpoke]

Why not? don't they like close competitive racing?

Bloody hell, if anybody enjoys bashing bars it's the MX kids, lol. But I think this is the sort of possibility Choppa (and others) had in mind:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Aug/110819gaga.htm

American Jake Gagne To Race Moto2 at Indy

".....A former motocross and supermoto amateur champion, Gagne decided to switch to the pavement in 2008 after being selected for the Red Bull AMA US Rookies Cup. He fought for the win at Road America in just his third road race. He won two events that year (Road Atlanta and Indy) and took third place at the all-star race in Valencia, Spain, against an international field......."

It's great the way youngsters are already brought into the sport, especially down South, but as with everything one size doesn't necessarily suit everyone. Us big kids don't all like the same bike's and racing format's so why would younger kids be any different? I just don't see the big deal, it's only throwing around a few idea's, yet you'd think someone had shat on the kitchen table the way noses are outta joint. Everyones got the same sort of goal in mind, no-ones trying to sabotage anything.

[gixerracer]

flat cap backl to front tattoos on arms monster kits and a dirt bike your instantly a babe magnet hahaha oh and even better if your me and have all the above bar monster kit and have a commodore ute lowered on 17s hahaha

babe magnet........................


but good to see streetstocks still thriving down south to pete is my old 150 still racing????

Ivan WTF man we no your still a ginga VIRGIN

[Billy]

Haha, you crazy young kids.......folks mention a slightly different avenue that might be worth exploring and the dummy is spat in the dirt, and the bike is hurled into the bushes. Sheesh, so much sensitivity! Who knew the youth of today were so fragile? Point taken, we'll try to be a lil' more PC next time lest we crush your inner caterpillar before it has a chance to transform into a beautiful butterfly.

Our apologies, times have obviously changed, we've failed to adapt and we'll do our absolute best to modify our rough behaviour in the future. If you feel a lil' intimidated confronting the issue head on then maybe we can come up with a "safe" word....you know, like "fire truck" or something? As soon as you feel a lil' uncomfortable just say the word(s) and we'll know we've gone too far and back off. No, there's no pressure to answer right now, and feel free to run the idea past your therapist. In the meantime just remember: fire truck....ok?

For those with a humour-ectomy: the above is a pisstake. You guys do an awesome job, but holy snappin' duckshit are you sensitive, lol. Folks aren't having a go at you, they're just trying to help and thinking of other things that would help boost the sport. There is no replacing what you are doing, it's not a "one way or the other" situation it's just something else worth exploring that could run in parallel with your efforts. But if all else fails just remember: fire truck......

Get "Firetrucked" yourself "ginga",Its all stated very tongue in cheek,I'm sure you can see how laughable it is that you experts are trying to reinvent the wheel that the South Island guys have spinning at a million Ks an hour,What say some of these experts up here put their ego's away and stop trying to be the great "I am" and actually listen to what Oyster and Swerve have to say and try it,Until then the North Island scene is doomed to stay as it is,To be honest,The biggest movers in the North Island are Hyosung NZ,But as Im sure Pete will be only to happy to point out,Its not a patch on the South islanders efforts and its not targeting the right age group.

In the meantime I'll keep repeating "Firetruck" to myself,But its just not ringing any bells for me,Im thinking ambulance would be more appropriate here,You know the one Im talking about,Its parked at the bottom of the cliff !!!

[Billy]

Oh I see what you were replying to. Billy was just going off half cocked getting himself confused and missing the point.

Hahaha!Im going off half cocked???Have a word too yourself mate,Your statement surrounded "JUNIOR" roadracing not National level motorcross riders in general.

Im missing the point???Have you not noticed that the bulk of the up and coming talent in NZ roadracing is coming out of the South Island streetstock scene,Tell you what mate,Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and import a bunch of metrakit 125s and show us how its done,Convert the junior motorcross guys over to riding them,Good luck with that.

On a more positive note,Sold my RG to a 13yr old junior motorcross rider from AKLD last weekend and he loves it,Best bike hes ever owned were his exact words,Go figure aye!!!

Simply put,If you dont like streestock,Dont watch it,I dont bother watching the 10 or so Superbikes following Stroudy around for the same reason,It only gets interesting when it rains or the Aussies come over.

[gixerracer]

Hahaha!Im going off half cocked???Have a word too yourself mate,Your statement surrounded "JUNIOR" roadracing not National level motorcross riders in general.

Im missing the point???Have you not noticed that the bulk of the up and coming talent in NZ roadracing is coming out of the South Island streetstock scene,Tell you what mate,Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and import a bunch of metrakit 125s and show us how its done,Convert the junior motorcross guys over to riding them,Good luck with that.

On a more positive note,Sold my RG to a 13yr old junior motorcross rider from AKLD last weekend and he loves it,Best bike hes ever owned were his exact words,Go figure aye!!!

Simply put,If you dont like streestock,Dont watch it,I dont bother watching the 10 or so Superbikes following Stroudy around for the same reason,It only gets interesting when it rains or the Aussies come over.

Steady on Tiger
:third:

[Kickaha]

,It only gets interesting when it rains or the Aussies come over.

Or when Craig is having multiple crashes over the weekend :whistle:

[gixerracer]

Or when Craig is having multiple crashes over the weekend :whistle:

If you aint crashing you aint trying hard enough. I cant be accused of not trying now can I:no:

[Billy]

If you aint crashing you aint trying hard enough. I cant be accused of not trying now can I:no:

Except when it rains!!!Aye

[gixerracer]

Except when it rains!!!Aye

I tired. And I failed badly :laugh:

[CHOPPA]

Hahaha!Im going off half cocked???Have a word too yourself mate,Your statement surrounded "JUNIOR" roadracing not National level motorcross riders in general.

Im missing the point???Have you not noticed that the bulk of the up and coming talent in NZ roadracing is coming out of the South Island streetstock scene,Tell you what mate,Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and import a bunch of metrakit 125s and show us how its done,Convert the junior motorcross guys over to riding them,Good luck with that.

On a more positive note,Sold my RG to a 13yr old junior motorcross rider from AKLD last weekend and he loves it,Best bike hes ever owned were his exact words,Go figure aye!!!

Simply put,If you dont like streestock,Dont watch it,I dont bother watching the 10 or so Superbikes following Stroudy around for the same reason,It only gets interesting when it rains or the Aussies come over.

Show me where I said I didnt like street stock? If you dont like supporting superbike then im sure your goal of grooming riders to be great streetstock racers will be great.

I even talked a guy into riding one of your bikes this year because it was a good option for a rider of his caliber.

There is no riders coming through from streetstock that have any chance at a moto 3 title.

Jamie Rajek is doing a bloody good thing with some young guys and in particular Cohen Chase. He is a 13 year old champion MX rider. In his own words he didnt want to ride the street stock because its a piece of shit instead opting for a 125gp bike. I have been helping him today while Jamie was busy with Avalon and that kid is very impressive in only his first ride.

He would smoke every street stock rider already and he is only just 13.

Most other people on here can see my point (thanks spud) I have never said street stock doesnt have its place. All im saying is that MX riders dont want to start there and those are the riders that are future champs because they have alread had 10 years experience.

I have been racing for 3 years, prob less time then most of these "up & coming" riders. I just needed to start road racing when I was 16

[Kickaha]

Show me where I said I didnt like street stock? If you dont like supporting superbike then im sure your goal of grooming riders to be great streetstock racers will be great.
Great streetstock riders will probably be great Superbike riders one day, you only have to look at the guys from the South to see how it works


He would smoke every street stock rider already and he is only just 13.

I would doubt that very much, in fact I'd put $100 on it that he wouldn't even get close

[CHOPPA]

I would doubt that very much, in fact I'd put $100 on it that he wouldn't even get close

Yeah maybe im talking shit but he is good and certainly on the GP bike he would lol

[CHOPPA]

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT GREAT NZSBK RIDERS. IM TALKING ABOUT WHO COULD POTENTIALLY BE MOTO GP RIDERS. When a street stock rider does that ill eat my words. MX and Dirt Track riders are already there

[CHOPPA]

Ah ill forget trying to convince you guys, I can tell from the type of riders you are that your never gonna get my point

[Kickaha]

He is a 13 year old champion MX rider. In his own words he didnt want to ride the street stock because its a piece of shit instead opting for a 125gp bike.

What bike do you propose instead of streetstock then?

[CHOPPA]

What bike do you propose instead of streetstock then?

http://www.mrrda.com/public/classes.html

[slowpoke]

Get "Firetrucked" yourself "ginga",Its all stated very tongue in cheek,I'm sure you can see how laughable it is that you experts are trying to reinvent the wheel that the South Island guys have spinning at a million Ks an hour,What say some of these experts up here put their ego's away and stop trying to be the great "I am" and actually listen to what Oyster and Swerve have to say and try it,Until then the North Island scene is doomed to stay as it is,To be honest,The biggest movers in the North Island are Hyosung NZ,But as Im sure Pete will be only to happy to point out,Its not a patch on the South islanders efforts and its not targeting the right age group.

In the meantime I'll keep repeating "Firetruck" to myself,But its just not ringing any bells for me,Im thinking ambulance would be more appropriate here,You know the one Im talking about,Its parked at the bottom of the cliff !!!

I know it's tongue in cheek ya lil' fire trucker, if it wasn't I woulda moved on a long time ago........much as you prolly wish I would, haha.

Nah, I can see how you guys would get frustrated with all the ideas from the sidelines. At the end of the day you guys are on the ground putting in the hard yards so there's no criticism of that coming from me.....and the idea of me being an expert at anything is fuckin hilarious.

I was down South a coupla years ago and saw some youngsters very early track lessons after the Ruapuna NZSBK round. It was a very cool thing to see Andrew Stroud, not long after blowing everyone away in the 2nd superbike race, sprinting for his camera to get some footage of young Jake's first time on a proper track. I don't think it was lost on anyone that we were seeing the future champions following the current champions. Maybe that's why I have such good memories of Ruapuna: the family atmosphere made a big impression on me.

But back to Choppa's suggestion observation, he wants exactly the same as you do....as everyone does really. But he revolves in slightly different (dirtier) circles and hears different things. In my modest opinion I reckon it's a good thing that we get to hear and discuss it, it's a lot more constructive than arguing the merits of various cake recipes as in other threads....not that there's anything wrong with that.

But again, kudos to the guys and girls on the ground helping out the youngsters, I just wish I had enough time to do the same, but my fucked up work arrangements mean I can't even sort my own shit out, let alone someone elses....and god forbid they be at an impressionable age when they're hangin' around me, lol. Until I get a "real" job and until I get some decent time at home I can only encourage from the sidelines (cue the image of a hairy ginga in a cheerleaders uniform). It mightn't come across too well, and be totally unwelcome and distracting for someone in the trenches but it's all well meaning. Kinda like yelling advice at the footy, we could be spot on or we could well wide of the mark, but we're all 100% behind you.

Now c'mere and give us a hug ya lil' cutie: you haven't had real luvvin' 'til you've had some ginga luvvin!

[Kickaha]

http://www.mrrda.com/public/classes.html

Good mix of classes and age groups but it doesn't look a lot different than what already exists here and doesn't really say what bikes they are using or are eligible

Their Junior four stroke is basically four stroke street stock bikes

250 Mono depending on what engines they are using also looks like it would drive the cost up at $15K new

250GP mono is already in the MNZ rule book if anyone wants to race one

[Billy]

Great streetstock riders will probably be great Superbike riders one day, you only have to look at the guys from the South to see how it works

I would doubt that very much, in fact I'd put $100 on it that he wouldn't even get close

Yip,I'll have a hundy on that as well,Just did a quick check on my laps and he was only in the mid 24s at Manfeild on an RS125,Matt Hoogie was doing mid 26s at the national round there in April on an RG150,I doubt he'd be much under a 1.31 on an RG

[Billy]

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT GREAT NZSBK RIDERS. IM TALKING ABOUT WHO COULD POTENTIALLY BE MOTO GP RIDERS. When a street stock rider does that ill eat my words. MX and Dirt Track riders are already there

Well theres already Dan Mettam and Jake Lewis doing the European cup and are still young enough too get there,Then theres Seth Devereux, Al and James Hoogie,Cam Jones,Eric Oliver Maxwell,Nick Cain,Alex Faulkner,Alex Bowers,Phillip Mair and countless others from the South Island that are still young enough and have shown theyve got plenty of talent to go on with it,Who knows how far they can go????And thats only out of the first wave of riders coming from down there,Theres plenty more on the way.


Ah ill forget trying to convince you guys, I can tell from the type of riders you are that your never gonna get my point

Theres the point right there,Its not about what sort of riders we are,Its supposed too be about bringing new blood into the sport and nurturing them,Whats happening in the South Island is already getting the job done,It doesnt need changing or improving,It just needs a GROUP of people in the North Island too start listening and following the advice given them by Oyster,Swerve and co,Then we'll see some real results,Reinventing the wheel and making it more expensive than it already is Won't end of story!!!

As far as me not supporting the superbike class goes,Thats just laughable,Ive helped out more Superbike and Supersport riders than youve met!! and the reason I dont anymore is because its not where the future of the sport lies and experience has taught me,Theyre the last people too thank you for the effort you put in,Because somehow the suppliers owe them already.

[slowpoke]

Great streetstock riders will probably be great Superbike riders one day, you only have to look at the guys from the South to see how it works


I'm looking forward to watching 'em come through the ranks. Unfortunately I can't help feeling that there is little structure or even a defined career path to foster the talent on the way through. You guys seem to have reasonable talent across the board but there just isn't the encouragement to progress through the ranks up here.


As far as me not supporting the superbike class goes,Thats just laughable,Ive helped out more Superbike and Supersport riders than youve met!! and the reason I dont anymore is because its not where the future of the sport lies and experience has taught me,Theyre the last people too thank you for the effort you put in,Because somehow the suppliers owe them already.

I for one appreciate what you've done for me in the past Billy, and have recommended your services to others wherever possible as a result, both outside and on this "highly esteemed" forum. Pity I'm not such a great advertisement for ya I'm afraid, so if you'd prefer I kept my gob shut I'd completely understand, lol.

Superbike class not the future of the sport? These kids will eventually need the best springboard they can get to jump overseas, and success on the big bangers provides a lot of leverage. I just wish we saw a few more youngsters fast tracked through the classes to get there. My personal vision would be to see every class playing a role in developing young riders as they progress in age, skill, strength etc.

It was great having Nick Cole and James Smith jump the ditch this weekend, and a tough ask to compete at a meeting with so little track time, but it also highlights the depth of field in Oz that our best young'uns have to front up to. And it's another step up again to progress from there. So to compete we need to be very strategic in progressing our best and brightest...but there isn't the strategy there at the moment.

[cowpoos]

Now c'mere and give us a hug ya lil' cutie: you haven't had real luvvin' 'til you've had some ginga luvvin!


oh dear gwad spud....are you stuck on a oil rig in the indian ocean with lots of males and nothing to do but think???? :confused:

[cowpoos]

Great streetstock riders will probably be great Superbike riders one day, you only have to look at the guys from the South to see how it works



okay okay....I still think your missing Chops point...sure a streetstock rider will probally be fast on superbike one day....but of equal experience...and MX kid will blow away a tarmac only kid anyday...the skills they develop off road are too a much much higher level that on tarmac.

how about we round up two 12 year olds...let choppa choose the mx rider and who ever chooses the streetstock or what ever class rider...give them both a day on a 600 and see who's faster...my money will def be on the MX kid!!

[cowpoos]

okay okay....I still think your missing Chops point...sure a streetstock rider will probally be fast on superbike one day....but of equal experience...and MX kid will blow away a tarmac only kid anyday...the skills they develop off road are too a much much higher level that on tarmac.

how about we round up two 12 year olds...let choppa choose the mx rider and who ever chooses the streetstock or what ever class rider...give them both a day on a 600 and see who's faster...my money will def be on the MX kid!!

and to finish my point....thats why we need to attract them to roadrace...they will be fast and successful riders. and they will love it!

[slowpoke]

oh dear gwad spud....are you stuck on a oil rig in the indian ocean with lots of males and nothing to do but think???? :confused:

Yup....now about those pic's of you in the leopard print mankini.....:love:

[Billy]

okay okay....I still think your missing Chops point...sure a streetstock rider will probally be fast on superbike one day....but of equal experience...and MX kid will blow away a tarmac only kid anyday...the skills they develop off road are too a much much higher level that on tarmac.

how about we round up two 12 year olds...let choppa choose the mx rider and who ever chooses the streetstock or what ever class rider...give them both a day on a 600 and see who's faster...my money will def be on the MX kid!!

Based on what Ryan??? Choppa's wizz kid at Manfeild last weekend was circulating in the mid 1.24s on a grand prix 125 in comparison,Tyler Lincoln 1.28 flat on a KR 150,The GP bike with an equal rider on it should be 10 secs a lap faster,Tyler Lincoln has no MX experience to speak of,Outside of bucket racing has competed in 5 roadrace meetings to date,Sure it would be great to get some junior MX riders to move across,But changing the bikes just to suit them just aint gonna happen while the South Islanders are having the success they are currently enjoying.

[CHOPPA]

Based on what Ryan??? Choppa's wizz kid at Manfeild last weekend was circulating in the mid 1.24s on a grand prix 125 in comparison,Tyler Lincoln 1.28 flat on a KR 150,The GP bike with an equal rider on it should be 10 secs a lap faster,Tyler Lincoln has no MX experience to speak of,Outside of bucket racing has competed in 5 roadrace meetings to date,Sure it would be great to get some junior MX riders to move across,But changing the bikes just to suit them just aint gonna happen while the South Islanders are having the success they are currently enjoying.

I cant claim him, thats all Jamie Rajeks effort right there but I will help if possible. That was his first weekend on a road bike his progress up the time sheets will be very fast. Id say give him 1 year and he would be challenging the front of 125gp at the age of 14 to be in that position would give him a very bright looking career

[Billy]

Jamie Rajek is doing a bloody good thing with some young guys and in particular Cohen Chase. He is a 13 year old champion MX rider. In his own words he didnt want to ride the street stock because its a piece of shit instead opting for a 125gp bike. I have been helping him today while Jamie was busy with Avalon and that kid is very impressive in only his first ride.

He would smoke every street stock rider already and he is only just 13.

REMEMBER THIS STATEMENT ???




Id say give him 1 year and he would be challenging the front of 125gp at the age of 14 to be in that position would give him a very bright looking career

Possibly your right,But I'll bet you hes battling with Tyler Lincoln who is also only 13 and shows more promise than ANYBODY else from the North Island has at this stage of his career !!!

Your probably right when you state he didnt want to ride a streetstock if he was offered The wolfpack racing machine,While I'm sure Jamie and co put a lot of time and effort into preparation and maintenance,They didnt do much in the way of presentation,Image is everything as Im sure your aware,Next time your in the SI have a look around some of the streetstock bikes,You'll be impressed with their efforts!!

[cowpoos]

Yup....now about those pic's of you in the leopard print mankini.....:love:

Sent........................:confused: