Samoa vs Wallabies

[yod]

:rofl::killingme

[Oakie]

Made my day. As much for the happiness that the Samoans will feel as for the wrist-slashing despair the Aussies will be feeling.

[98tls]

You lot have short memories,France kicking our arse in the 1/4s last world cup was far more:facepalm:Least the Wallibies dont have a choker chain made with there name on it.

[Big Dave]

@ Oakie. The majority don't actually give a toss about Rugby.

Losing the World Cup to the Kiwis in Rugby League was the major wrist slitter.

The rest follow Aussie rules.

[Big Dave]

Joke on the footy show the other night:

What do you need to be a star in Australian League?
Speed, stamina, fitness, skill and dedication.

What do you need to be a star in Australian Union?
Rich parents.

[Rhys]

what did the TAB pay on a samoa win ?

[98tls]

I wish the Wallabies all the best for the world cup to be honest,still haunted by memorys of Henry sitting in the stand devoid of plan B or C,just sat there then later acted surprised by the All Blacks worst result at any world cup.That and Dingo Deans:facepalm:bit hard for a Cantab to take really.:blink:

[fuknKIWI]

Back in '91 I was laid up with glandular fever so got to see as many WRC games as I wanted to see (free to air back then:woohoo:)
The Wallabies vs Samoa '91 remains one of the best games I've ever seen:yes:
It was a tryless game & I still maintain that the Wallabies were lucky to win, 3-0, luckily for them the Samoans couldn't kick the then new synthetic ball.
They outplayed the Wallabies, went on to beat Wales, I've been a fan of Samoan rugby ever since.
Definitely a wake up call for Oz.

[Oakie]

what did the TAB pay on a samoa win ?

$13 I think I heard.

[oldrider]

Quote me on this after the RWC is over, Australia will finish ahead of New Zealand! :yes: :dodge:

I can't lose, I will be happy to be proved wrong! :blink:

[BoristheBiter]

What I want to know is why when Aussie, South Africa, England and the like find it hard to continuously win games against the rest of the world and everyone backs them with the comments of "they will be alright", but if the AB's lose one game they called every name under the sun and told they will never win anything.

Where winning the world cup is a great thing, it is not the be all that some of you make out and I would rather take our win/lose record over winning a dumb little cup any-day.

[Oakie]

Where winning the world cup is a great thing, it is not the be all that some of you make out and I would rather take our win/lose record over winning a dumb little cup any-day.

Absolutely agree. Seems that everything for four years is just build up for the World Cup so if you don't win the cup it's another wasted four years.

[oldrider]

Trouble with the AB's is it has always been much harder to get out of the team than to get into it! :facepalm:

Aussie by comparison are more likely to blood in new young players and take a chance on them to perform! :yes:

It has often been these young exciting players that have ultimately smoked our old guard and stolen our thunder!

Didn't anybody notice the "REDS" exciting young players smoking the tired old Crusaders recently? :shit: Case in point! :shifty:

[BoristheBiter]

Trouble with the AB's is it has always been much harder to get out of the team than to get into it! :facepalm:

Aussie by comparison are more likely to blood in new young players and take a chance on them to perform! :yes:

It has often been these young exciting players that have ultimately smoked our old guard and stolen our thunder!

Didn't anybody notice the "REDS" exciting young players smoking the tired old Crusaders recently? :shit: Case in point! :shifty:

And that is my point right there, the reds win one and they are the talk of the town, the crusaders lose one after winning how many and they are old has-beens.

The AB's are still the yard stick the rest of the world measure themselves against, Hell, even the poms want to wear a black jersey in the hope that some talent rubs off.

[yod]

Didn't anybody notice the "REDS" exciting young players smoking the tired old Crusaders recently? :shit: Case in point! :shifty:

Didn't you notice the tired old Crusaders flying all the way to Cape Town and bitch-slapping the Stormers all over the park the week before?

Jeebus, an entire season played away from home, they lose the final against a Reds side who had had two weeks off and you're calling them tired and old?? What do you call the other 13 teams that finished below them?

Case in point my arse.

[oldrider]

Didn't you notice the tired old Crusaders flying all the way to Cape Town and bitch-slapping the Stormers all over the park the week before?

Jeebus, an entire season played away from home, they lose the final against a Reds side who had had two weeks off and you're calling them tired and old?? What do you call the other 13 teams that finished below them?

Case in point my arse.

The Reds took home the jewels and "that" is what the whole tournament was about!

Second is simply the best of the rest .... fact of life!

How many times has the "unofficial best team in the world" got their name on the RWC?

These tournaments and their trophies are the only measure that international rugby officialdom and fans recognise .... faced with the prospect of "officially" winning the WRC New Zealand has a well established record now for failure!

Case in point indeed.

Simply "wanting" or "claiming" to be the best is not good enough, you have to close the deal! :yes:

That's why NZRFU were so keen for the establishment of the WRC tournament .... ouch! :facepalm:

[oneofsix]

The Reds took home the jewels and "that" is what the whole tournament was about!

Second is simply the best of the rest .... fact of life!

How many times has the "unofficial best team in the world" got their name on the RWC?

These tournaments and their trophies are the only measure that international rugby officialdom and fans recognise .... faced with the prospect of "officially" winning the WRC New Zealand has a well established record now for failure!

Case in point indeed.

Simply "wanting" or "claiming" to be the best is not good enough, you have to close the deal! :yes:

That's why NZRFU were so keen for the establishment of the WRC tournament .... ouch! :facepalm:

These tournaments are about best on the day not the best team. Many reasons can cause the best team not to be the best on that one day, take food poisoning for instance. In NZ's case we it is usually someday well before the finals and involving a team of surrender monkeys, but hey :whocares:

[Crasherfromwayback]

ANYTHING can happen in a sudden death style tournament. The AB's are still the greatest rugby team in the world.

[Maha]

ANYTHING can happen in a sudden death style tournament. The AB's are still the greatest rugby team in the world.

......and 61% of NZers polled agree with you.
Some of those Aussie players will never wear the green/gold again ...it happened here in NZ in 1986 I think?... the 'Baby Blacks' played France and were beaten.
They were picked because of the unsanctioned tour of SA and those that toured were stood down upon returning to NZ. They were quickly brought back into play to replace those that were in the beaten team a week earlier.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's weird eh. So many Kiwis will knock shit out of the AB's if they don't win the WC...but you can't win everything all the time!

[Maha]

It's weird eh. So many Kiwis will knock shit out of the AB's if they don't win the WC...but you can't win everything all the time!

There was a time when the AB's were in a class of their own, has not been that way for years now..the rest of the rugby world caught up real quick once we showed them how it was done.

[Crasherfromwayback]

There was a time when the AB's were in a class of their own, has not been that way for years now..the rest of the rugby world caught up real quick once we showed them how it was done.

Comes and goes mate, the Saffas always gave us a go back in the day. But we've taught them all good of late!

[Banditbandit]

ANYTHING can happen in a sudden death style tournament. The AB's are still the greatest rugby team in the world.

Yeah .. they are also the greatest chokers in world sport .. when was the last time the "greatest rugby team in the world" won the rugby world cup?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah .. they are also the greatest chokers in world sport .. when was the last time the "greatest rugby team in the world" won the rugby world cup?

We all know that answer. BUT...even a blind man will know we should've won it in SA, but for a nasty case of food poisoning. So we'd then have won it twice...just like Aust and SA...that'd be a fairer pic of the state of things. I'd be pretty surprised if we don't win this one though.

[Bald Eagle]

Our national teams in a number of sports have a fairly good record for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, so not putting any money on this one.

[Maha]

We all know that answer. BUT...even a blind man will know we should've won it in SA, but for a nasty case of food poisoning. So we'd then have won it twice...just like Aust and SA...that'd be a fairer pic of the state of things. I'd be pretty surprised if we don't win this one though.

Aussie's thought that very same thing in 87' thats how I came about getting a ticket for the final, they were beaten by France on home soil...Some of the Australians that had tickets to the final sold them real cheap and went Home.:woohoo:

[oldrider]

We all know that answer. BUT...even a blind man will know we should've won it in SA, but for a nasty case of food poisoning. So we'd then have won it twice...just like Aust and SA...that'd be a fairer pic of the state of things. I'd be pretty surprised if we don't win this one though.

C'mon, South Africa weren't even allowed to play in the first cup, otherwise we might not have our name on it at all! :cry:

[Crasherfromwayback]

C'mon, South Africa weren't even allowed to play in the first cup, otherwise we might not have our name on it at all! :cry:

That's bullshit. We were that much better than every other team that year we would've wasted them.

[oldrider]

That's bullshit. We were that much better than every other team that year we would've wasted them.

Isn't that the same attitude we have had prior to and following every other RWC too! .... Are we actually living in the real world? :confused:

[98tls]

Trouble with the AB's is it has always been much harder to get out of the team than to get into it! :facepalm:

Aussie by comparison are more likely to blood in new young players and take a chance on them to perform! :yes:

It has often been these young exciting players that have ultimately smoked our old guard and stolen our thunder!

Didn't anybody notice the "REDS" exciting young players smoking the tired old Crusaders recently? :shit: Case in point! :shifty:

ZZZZZZZ not from Otago by any chance?Last time you lot had anything to get excited about was in 56,let it go.

[98tls]

It's weird eh. So many Kiwis will knock shit out of the AB's if they don't win the WC...but you can't win everything all the time!

Mate its not like they have won all the time...1987:shit::facepalm:

[Woodman]

I'd be pretty surprised if we don't win this one though.

Oh God its started again:facepalm: Collectively we convince ourselves (and the ABs) that the cup is in the bag and all they have to do is turn up.

[fuknKIWI]

Sam Owens beats Wally B's funniest thing sine the Frogs beat the AB's:yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mate its not like they have won all the time...1987:shit::facepalm:

I'm not talking about winning 'all the time' at the WC mate, I mean all the time year in year out. The Tri Nations, Bledisloe Cup, Northern Hemisphere Tours...those sorts of things. We're the number ONE ranked team in the world for a very good reason. We WIN more games against the opposition that matter than the opposition that matter do against us. Embrace it.



Oh God its started again:facepalm: Collectively we convince ourselves (and the ABs) that the cup is in the bag and all they have to do is turn up.

Can't see where I said that all we have to do is turn up. Show me where I said that?

I believe I said I'd be surprised if we didn't win this one though. I'll give you a few reasons why I think this.

1: We're at home. Our record at home is fucking awesome. Strangely enough, last time we played the WC at home, we...WON the fucking thing.

2: The core of the cuurent AB team have played together at the highest lever now for quite some time, they know what it takes, and have won plenty of games, even when having to come from behind, under immense pressure.

3: Man for man, we're the best equiped team in the tournament.

4: Rugby is won up front. The flashy Aussie backs are one thing, but come WC time, their forward pack is gonna get smashed. The Saffas, will match us up front, but IMO lack the finishing skill we have.

5: We're not scared of the garlic munching ball bag grabbers. Yes, they stink when you get up close and personal with them, but so what. We've got some enforcers in the team this time round that will be given free range to sort the snail tickling poofs out if they touch us where only women should.

6: We won't have food poisoning.

7: We've learn't our lessons.

8: Oh..and we're at home.

And anyway...if we get beat, we can always pretend we've got food poisoning...

Go the mighty AB's!!! I've already gone through a couple of 12 packs of white Steinlarger can packs!!!

[oldrider]

My beef is with the coach not the "All Blacks", I do not believe that Henry should have been retained after the last RWC.

Likewise, I do not support the "Wallabies" but I would like to see them win for Robbie Deans sake.

Unfortunately both scenarios compromise my loyalty to New Zealand ... it makes me feel bitter and twisted. :sick:

Also making me feel very uneasy is our "factual" record at RWC events, it does not compute with our undying expressed belief that we are the best team in the world!

That fantasy is not doing us any good, we have to re enter the real world and the sooner the better IMHO.

That is my reason for posting a little negatively toward NZ rugby on this thread.

Would that God the gift to give us, to see ourselves as others see us! ... Robbie Burns (poet)

[fuknKIWI]

My beef is with the coach not the "All Blacks", I do not believe that Henry should have been retained after the last RWC.

Likewise, I do not support the "Wallabies" but I would like to see them win for Robbie Deans sake.

Unfortunately both scenarios compromise my loyalty to New Zealand ... it makes me feel bitter and twisted. :sick:

Also making me feel very uneasy is our "factual" record at RWC events, it does not compute with our undying expressed belief that we are the best team in the world!

That fantasy is not doing us any good, we have to re enter the real world and the sooner the better IMHO.

That is my reason for posting a little negatively toward NZ rugby on this thread.

Would that God the gift to give us, to see ourselves as others see us! ... Robbie Burns (poet)

Well said that man, I have a very similar view of things except as an "Aussie" I have no qualms about fully supporting Rob's Wallabies, expect a Trans Tasman final to the WRC.

undying expressed belief that we are the best team in the world!
Right now the Springboks are the "best team in the world" only because they are the current world champs by years end we'll know who the "best team in the world" are in 2011, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla :violin:
Who really cares because what really matters is;
The second best team in the world is ALWAYS the Canterbury rugby team :yes:
Canterbury the ONLY team I truly & unreservedly support

But I digress back to the thread theme Samoa vs Wallabies, :shit: here's a surprise news item & an unlikely allegiance:shit:.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/5314653/Graham-Henry-leaps-to-Robbie-Deans-defence
Remember Graham fuknHENRY' s Mum is a Christchurch girl and a Robbie Deans fan:yes:

[oldrider]

If a boxer with a big fight program substituted himself with another boxer during sparing sessions in order to rest him for the big event, how do you think he would perform on the night of the match?

It is certainly a very fine line between match fit and being fit for the game!

We have seen the effects of this with this in Henry's rotation program.

Once the players are at the required match fitness the deciding factor is the top two inches ... "attitude"!

That is where we have been defeated (choked) in not having the mental attitude to defeat perceived "lesser" teams in the semi finals etc because all the focus has been on the final but before we even get there!

They vehemently blamed John Mitchell for that against Australia but somehow Henry was absolved responsibility for the same thing against France!

It's not over until the fat lady sings and there is just no substitute for winning, even for the best team in the world, they get paid the money, it's what they do and what they are required to do is WIN! :first: RWC

[fuknKIWI]

They vehemently blamed John Mitchell for that against Australia but somehow Henry was absolved responsibility for the same thing against France!

That was more of an indictment on the knee jerk reaction from NZ than a fair comment on Mitchell's coaching ability. A pox on the NZRU & the reactionary fans in NZ. This is when they lost Robbie Deans too, so I hope they live to regret it:yes:
The Wallabies got to the final on the merits of one good game all season, actually it wasn't a good game it was a fucking blinder. Stirling Mortlock stole the ball & ran away with it 20 minutes & 20 points later the AB's entered the game, played well despite feeling the heat, but it was all too little too late.
That's the thing about the Wallabies sometimes they'll do what it takes no less & certainly no more...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Right now the Springboks are the "best team in the world" only because they are the current world champs by years end we'll know who the "best team in the world" :

Ahhhh, nope. That makes them the current world chamions, far from the best team in the world. That has been for a while, and will be for a while the Ab's. It's called ranking. As in golf and tennis etc.