Classic Bike value. AKA The worlds most expensive CB400F

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-394539201.htm


Sure, its a reeeeeeeeel nice example of a reeeeeeeel nice bike. And somebody might buy it, but i doubt it if $10500 is within 15% of purchase price (so, he wants $11k or so for it).

So, callers, what is this worth? I thought $6k or so.

(Entirely disinterested in buying it: I bought a bike last week)

[bogan]

You just bid up to see what the reserve is then, that's probably not going to help him get an idea of market value :lol:

To the right buyer I think 10k is not out of the question, but since it's just an old IL4, the right buyer might be damn hard to find!

[HenryDorsetCase]

The unanswered question is mine, and asks him what he is basing his estimate of value on.

but yeah, once it got past the $7k mark I kept running it up to see what sort of outlandish figure he had on it.

I take the point: they're a lovely bike (I've had a couple), they have a following in the UK and US, and that is a stunning example with all the right bits on it looks like, plus things like the seat base is sound and the rear guard and chainguard are pristine, and obviously a lot of time and money has been spent.

But to a collector, original and unmolested are the key, right? and there are a couple of CB750's on tardme at present which have got buy nows of round the $9k mark.

I think, to quote the Castle: "E's dreeeemin'"

[jellywrestler]

He'll be sittinjg there rubbing his hands together thinking that his bike is surely worth $7100 as that's what someone has bid...

[HenryDorsetCase]

$10500 actually. :facepalm:

[James Deuce]

I'm really sorry, but I'm still tempted. Sorry.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm really sorry, but I'm still tempted. Sorry.

Buy it! (I will ride it up for you, no worries!)

[HenryDorsetCase]

the cockhead has blacklisted me :(

and removed all the bids. (twenty minutes of my life I won't get back).

So, to recap: I ran it up to the "Your current bid is within 15% of the reserve" and I got that at $10500.

What if I genuinely want to buy it? (not that I do) but what if I did, even at his outlandish price? what then Jebus?

[jellywrestler]

the cockhead has blacklisted me :(


Tell him his Mother swims out to troop ships...

[Dodgyiti]

80,000kms and a partial rebuild?
A half arsed motor rebuild, no balancing, bottom end fine?
If you pull it down that far only a tight arse would not do the bottom end and get the crank balanced after that many kms- which makes me think what other short cuts have been taken?
Collectors want low mile original bikes in showroom condition or sympathic pattina, or a totally rebuilt ground up bike- then you can ask top dollar.

6 grand would be a pre recession top dollar, right now maybe 5,500 if he is lucky..
'E's Dreamin'

[SPman]

Is he a mate of this guy?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-391931852.htm
$20,000 for a T500
GOOD CONDITION NEEDS TIDY UP.!

[unstuck]

Shit, i wish i would of kept my old T500.Sold it for an oz.:facepalm:

[Paul in NZ]

Is that a factory muffler on it? Looks wrong...

Yeah - its too much in this market. Nice bikes but....

[James Deuce]

If I was stupid rich, I'd just buy it.

[riffer]

If I was stupid rich, I'd just buy it.

Indeed. But you'd be both rich and stupid to pay that much. :facepalm:

[James Deuce]

Indeed. But you'd be both rich and stupid to pay that much. :facepalm:

Rich people are allowed to be stupid. It's in the rules.

[Crasherfromwayback]

but yeah, once it got past the $7k mark I kept running it up to see what sort of outlandish figure he had on it.

"E's dreeeemin'"

Got me fucked why people do as you did.

"E's not the only one"

[Paul in NZ]

Rich people are allowed to be stupid. It's in the rules.

Thats true - rich people are 'eccentric'... Its only us poor folks what is fuckin crazy....

[Spearfish]

I like it, but it stops being fun for me after 5.5 to 6k and I don't mean just the "checked but fine" transmission. I think anything over that I wouldn't/couldn't enjoy it, perhaps it just a personal thing.
I have an idea of finding a bike born the same year I was so maybe with a mission would come the stupidity especially if it was a narrow selection field for my target bike.
Maybe thats what will happen with this bike?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Got me fucked why people do as you did.

"E's not the only one"

I dont understand why people put start prices as less than reserve (especially this much less): i think its misleading.

Meh, whatever: at that money it will be sitting for a while.

[James Deuce]

I dont understand why people put start prices as less than reserve (especially this much less): i think its misleading.

Meh, whatever: at that money it will be sitting for a while.
At least until I get rich.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I dont understand why people put start prices as less than reserve (especially this much less): i think its misleading.

Meh, whatever: at that money it will be sitting for a while.

I'll give you that. I never do. My start price is always my reserve. You bid on it...you own it!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'll give you that. I never do. My start price is always my reserve. You bid on it...you own it!

same. though just once I'd like the bidding frenzy and it sells for 8x what I think its worth (dont really care what it is.... just once I'd like to see it.

[Taz]

It's beautiful. Brings back memories of my 1976 red one I had. It was a beautiful bike until that Triumph Toledo did a U-turn in front of me :cry: And you can't buy a new 1976 CB400F these days so it's worth exactly what some one will pay.

[PeteJ]

It's beautiful. Brings back memories of my 1976 red one I had. It was a beautiful bike until that Triumph Toledo did a U-turn in front of me :cry: And you can't buy a new 1976 CB400F these days so it's worth exactly what some one will pay.

Well, you could buy my '77 one.

Original, unmolested, (NOS zorst/muffler added some years ago, everything else as it was), 30-something thousand km. I've known all 4 of its previous owners and owned it myself for 20 years. It has one very small tank dent, size of a SIM card, where a PO fell over parking it on grass.

Red.

So how much would that be worth?

What about it together with my red '77 RD400, similar condition except the motor (NOS in its entirety) has done under 2,000km?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well, you could buy my '77 one.

Original, unmolested, (NOS zorst/muffler added some years ago, everything else as it was), 30-something thousand km. I've known all 4 of its previous owners and owned it myself for 20 years. It has one very small tank dent, size of a SIM card, where a PO fell over parking it on grass.

Red.

So how much would that be worth?

What about it together with my red '77 RD400, similar condition except the motor (NOS in its entirety) has done under 2,000km?

What model is the RD?

do you actually want to sell it? because I want to buy one: serious question. PM me.

[Voltaire]

What model is the RD?

do you actually want to sell it? because I want to buy one: serious question. PM me.

You don't buy and sell this way....you do it on TM....pft...next you'll be talking to each other...:innocent:

[Taz]

Well, you could buy my '77 one.

Original, unmolested, (NOS zorst/muffler added some years ago, everything else as it was), 30-something thousand km. I've known all 4 of its previous owners and owned it myself for 20 years. It has one very small tank dent, size of a SIM card, where a PO fell over parking it on grass.

Red.

So how much would that be worth?

What about it together with my red '77 RD400, similar condition except the motor (NOS in its entirety) has done under 2,000km?

How much for the CB? :)

[PeteJ]

Hmmm, damn; now I'm going to have to think about values for myself.

They're not being used...oh, bugger.

The CB400's the red version of the one on TM (passenger footpegs on swingarm, etc).

The RD400's an RD400E with a motor that was taken out its chassis new so the first owner could use its chassis to house a TZ350 motor; so it isn't the motor my chassis came with new, which had been a major blow-up job. The "new" motor that went in was professionally taken apart and new seals etc installed prior to running.

[cs363]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-394539201.htm


Sure, its a reeeeeeeeel nice example of a reeeeeeeel nice bike. And somebody might buy it, but i doubt it if $10500 is within 15% of purchase price (so, he wants $11k or so for it).

So, callers, what is this worth? I thought $6k or so.

(Entirely disinterested in buying it: I bought a bike last week)

Yeah I would have thought $6K would be tops for one of those, if it was red it'd probably get a bit more as that was the popular colour (and looks way better IMHO)


Is he a mate of this guy?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-391931852.htm
$20,000 for a T500
GOOD CONDITION NEEDS TIDY UP.!

WTF? That guy must have his hand super glued to his cock! :tugger: :facepalm: :D

[nudemetalz]

When I was 19 (back in '89) I bought a ratty 80K one for $500.

...Discovered it would be a 300/3 or even a 200/2 in the rain.

...Saw the muffler fly off it (in my rear vision mirrors) at 160km/h.....

...managed to the peace symbol in a burnout form at the Sign of the Kiwi...

...While doing said burnout, just at the end of it, the clutch toasted itself..

...also while doing said burnout was surprised that it could stay at 13,000rpm sort of happily despite redline being 10,000rpm.

...while heading home (coasting down back down the hill), even more amazed that once the clutch cooled, it worked again !!!!


These bikes are truly remarkable and I would buy another,...not to do that to one though !!

[HenryDorsetCase]

WTF? That guy must have his hand super glued to his cock! :tugger: :facepalm: :D

especially when that guy can't sell that CB1100R for $22k!

[Indiana_Jones]

The market will dictate the price, someone might want it that badly to pay a silly ammount.

I've seen some cars and bikes for sale for months, going on years as they refuse to lower the price. Clearly they're in no rush lol

-Indy

[Crasherfromwayback]

WTF? That guy must have his hand super glued to his cock! :tugger: :facepalm: :D

"Yes the price is correct, don't email me unless you want to buy it"

Fucking classic. And I don't mean the bike.

[ktm84mxc]

The way the dollars going you cud fly to the USA by the bike/bikes off ya dreams ship it back & still under cut the dreamers on Trademe, the bonus a great holiday & shopping.
You just need to check EBay to c how many 70/80's bikes r there most r low mileage etc, itz a buyers market.

[Zadkiel]

How much for the CB? :)

Yes indeed!

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-395531521.htm


THIS. This is a bargain. Someone grab it.

someone stop me grabbing it. I have no money. I bought a bike last week.

BARGAIN!

[James Deuce]

That 550 is just perfect. Proper price too.

[Paul in NZ]

Ha! Saw that and was going to post a thread about it. Looks GREAT.. Shame its not factory colour but still....

[Spearfish]

Ha! Saw that and was going to post a thread about it. Looks GREAT.. Shame its not factory colour but still....

Ahhh Paul in EN Zed you would be a hell of a hard judge at a bike show...I think you have gone further down the path than just train spotter your bordering on the title "rivet counter".
Its a fact that I will know what I'm getting myself into if I run a project bike past you first:yes:


No1 wont let me push the buy now, It wouldnt even need add freight!

[cs363]

Ha! Saw that and was going to post a thread about it. Looks GREAT.. Shame its not factory colour but still....

Are you saying it's not the correct blue, or that blue wasn't a factory colour? If it's the latter, it appears you're wrong - (the blue colour is Varnish Blue, red is Light Ruby Red for the early models) though I can't remember ever seeing blue ones for sale in NZ, all the blue ones I've ever seen were US models. The one on TM does look a bit dark in comparison to others I've seen.

There was also a darker red and a yellow colour offered on the very last ones.

http://cb_400f.tripod.com/page3.html

Did they only bring the red ones into NZ? I can't remember ever seeing yellow CB400F's either?

[cs363]

The way the dollars going you cud fly to the USA by the bike/bikes off ya dreams ship it back & still under cut the dreamers on Trademe, the bonus a great holiday & shopping.
You just need to check EBay to c how many 70/80's bikes r there most r low mileage etc, itz a buyers market.

:facepalm: You could probably pick up a cheap copy of this too:

http://www.educationguides.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/5e226_for_dummies_51DSnROFAYL.jpg

[James Deuce]

Are you saying it's not the correct blue, or that blue wasn't a factory colour? If it's the latter, it appears you're wrong - (the blue colour is Varnish Blue, red is Light Ruby Red for the early models) though I can't remember ever seeing blue ones for sale in NZ, all the blue ones I've ever seen were US models. The one on TM does look a bit dark in comparison to others I've seen.

There was also a darker red and a yellow colour offered on the very last ones.

http://cb_400f.tripod.com/page3.html

Did they only bring the red ones into NZ? I can't remember ever seeing yellow CB400F's either?

He's talking about the CB550 linked a couple of posts above his one, not the CB400.

Please try to keep up.:D

[cs363]

He's talking about the CB550 linked a couple of posts above his one, not the CB400.

Please try to keep up.:D

Ah, thanks JD....the problem with unquoted replies (especially when you've got a head cold!) lol
That makes more sense, I thought Paul in NZ was up to the play on model info :D

Still the 550 does look nice in black I must say.

As you were....

[ktm84mxc]

Oops must not offend the Train-spotters among us eh CS ?
The only colours I've seen on a CB400f are blue & red in NZ, though there was a poster with Pele and a yellow model.

[cs363]

Oops must not offend the Train-spotters among us eh CS ?
The only colours I've seen on a CB400f are blue & red in NZ, though there was a poster with Pele and a yellow model.

:Pokey: You're just lucky I got here before Hitcher, then you would have been in trouble! :lol:
I've got a vague recollection of seeing a yellow one, but then again I might be thinking of a CB750F1 :confused:

[Paul in NZ]

Ah, thanks JD....the problem with unquoted replies (especially when you've got a head cold!) lol
That makes more sense, I thought Paul in NZ was up to the play on model info :D

Still the 550 does look nice in black I must say.

As you were....

Its probably nicer in black than stock BUT the big bucks demand stock ;-)

[Paul in NZ]

Oops must not offend the Train-spotters among us eh CS ?
The only colours I've seen on a CB400f are blue & red in NZ, though there was a poster with Pele and a yellow model.

Blue and Red were (I think) the first model. Later ones had a few minor differences but visually it was the pillion pegs were on a sub frame and not the swing arm. Blue was dropped, yellow was introduced and there was a yellow with a sort of stripe thing. My brother had a red one I really liked it.....

Cant say I remember F1 or F2 versions sold new here

http://cb_400f.tripod.com/page3.html

[Katman]

Ahhh Paul in EN Zed you would be a hell of a hard judge at a bike show...

Correct colour, original exhaust and original plate are three of the more important features I'm looking for when looking for something collectible.

[Spearfish]

Correct colour, original exhaust and original plate are three of the more important features I'm looking for when looking for something collectible.

I know Paul will resent being called a resource but having people who know how many rivets the factory would have used is one of the better sides of the site.

[Voltaire]

Correct colour, original exhaust and original plate are three of the more important features I'm looking for when looking for something collectible.

I can apprecicate what goes into restoring a motorcycle, having done a couple, but these days the features I like are electronic ignition, decent suspension, loud exhaust and a strong motor.:innocent:

[Paul in NZ]

I know Paul will resent being called a resource but having people who know how many rivets the factory would have used is one of the better sides of the site.

In all honesty I'm no expert on rivets or Hondas. But I appreciate the lengths some people go to to get an original factory finish (for instance I once chatted to a guy who would wire wheel scuff his Honda metal bits before sending it to be chromed because the originals were not highly polished etc). Knowing just how hard some of these people work to get it right - I get slightly miffed when someone assembles a pile of munt into a semi functional bike, paints it metalflake purple and calls it 'restored'.... Erm - nope.....

Thats not to say its not a worthy effort btw. My own bikes tend to be semi original and are always modified a bit.

My favourite things are bikes that evoke an era. A set of ace bars and chambers on an RD350 are not factory but ARE very cool.... If you get my drift...

[cs363]

In all honesty I'm no expert on rivets or Hondas. But I appreciate the lengths some people go to to get an original factory finish (for instance I once chatted to a guy who would wire wheel scuff his Honda metal bits before sending it to be chromed because the originals were not highly polished etc). Knowing just how hard some of these people work to get it right - I get slightly miffed when someone assembles a pile of munt into a semi functional bike, paints it metalflake purple and calls it 'restored'.... Erm - nope.....

Thats not to say its not a worthy effort btw. My own bikes tend to be semi original and are always modified a bit.

My favourite things are bikes that evoke an era. A set of ace bars and chambers on an RD350 are not factory but ARE very cool.... If you get my drift...

Totally agree with all your comments, particularly that last sentence - period correct mods are cool, as are uprated suspenders (particularly if it's a ridden classic) :drinknsin :niceone:

[Spearfish]

In all honesty I'm no expert on rivets or Hondas. But I appreciate the lengths some people go to to get an original factory finish (for instance I once chatted to a guy who would wire wheel scuff his Honda metal bits before sending it to be chromed because the originals were not highly polished etc). Knowing just how hard some of these people work to get it right - I get slightly miffed when someone assembles a pile of munt into a semi functional bike, paints it metalflake purple and calls it 'restored'.... Erm - nope.....

Thats not to say its not a worthy effort btw. My own bikes tend to be semi original and are always modified a bit.

My favourite things are bikes that evoke an era. A set of ace bars and chambers on an RD350 are not factory but ARE very cool.... If you get my drift...

Yeah but...

[Paul in NZ]

Yeah but...

Exactly - and thats the great thing about old motorbikes as a hobby.... Show me an old speedtwin and i think 'chopper' because when i was 17 I could buy one for $200 and 6 weeks later have a cool wee bike. A guy 10 years older would be horrified and want it 'original'....

[Spearfish]

Exactly - and thats the great thing about old motorbikes as a hobby.... Show me an old speedtwin and i think 'chopper' because when i was 17 I could buy one for $200 and 6 weeks later have a cool wee bike. A guy 10 years older would be horrified and want it 'original'....

Doesn't it get confusing now we are not in the 17 year old bracket and leaning heavily in the direction of the "horrified guy" bracket but with the right bike (or anything else) in front of you your brain goes back to 17.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Correct colour, original exhaust and original plate are three of the more important features I'm looking for when looking for something collectible.

the problem is the exhausts are all made of cheese. Luckily there are NOS sources. With the $ strong, nows the time!

[Voltaire]

the problem is the exhausts are all made of cheese. Luckily there are NOS sources. With the $ strong, nows the time!

Got a set of Staintunes on my Ducati....they are 23 years old. The Contis were made of the same stuff as Lancias and Alfas.... Rustium.:innocent:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Got a set of Staintunes on my Ducati....they are 23 years old. The Contis were made of the same stuff as Lancias and Alfas.... Rustium.:innocent:

I was more thinking of the ones they made of chrome plated tissue paper and put on Jap stuff in the 70's and 80's: they just rotted out. I replaced the pipes on a bunch of bikes (GSX400, GSX750, GPZ750, CB750's (though that was, ahem, crash damage)

I once had a CB750 that had a 4-1 on it that you had to remove to change the oil. hilarity.

[awa355]

Reminds me of the ad's for a "classic" car. Some people seem to think that if an English / french made car is still reconizable after 40 years, it must be a 'collectible or classic' bargain.

I had a Hillman Avenger with a bloody great CNG tank filling the boot. God forbid anyone would consider that a 'classic'.

Young fellow had a lowered, lime green early 80's Isuzu Gemini for sale for $3,000. Told me "It's a classic mate, You wont see many of these still going" I replied, 'I'm not suprised.'

Any vehicle is only worth what someone will pay for it. Honda Hamilton had a CB400F that had apparently never been registered. Wanted $20,000.

[Katman]

I had a Hillman Avenger with a bloody great CNG tank filling the boot. God forbid anyone would consider that a 'classic'.


That's being a bit harsh.

At least it wasn't a Hunter.

[Paul in NZ]

That's being a bit harsh.

At least it wasn't a Hunter.

Shudder - now you have done it, invoked the brown corduroy trouser wearing god (well technically a demon of the outer circle of hell) of crappy english cars that were 'quite good in their day'.... This thread is doomed!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Shudder - now you have done it, invoked the brown corduroy trouser wearing god (well technically a demon of the outer circle of hell) of crappy english cars that were 'quite good in their day'.... This thread is doomed!

I take your Hillman Hunter and raise you the Singer Vogue. mmmmm badge engineering. had leather seats and a woodgrain dash.

or the Vauxhall Chevette I used to drive in the Post Office. it did wicked handbrake turns and jumps (I'm told)

[Paul in NZ]

I take your Hillman Hunter and raise you the Singer Vogue. mmmmm badge engineering. had leather seats and a woodgrain dash.

or the Vauxhall Chevette I used to drive in the Post Office. it did wicked handbrake turns and jumps (I'm told)

Then at least with the Singer you were more comfortable while waiting for the AA to come along.

We had a pre Hunter Vogue wagon - I LOVED that car as it was a 'special' made by Rootes rally car workshop and it went like stink, had OD, rally suspension, badge bar, driving lights and a super cool chrome springy thing radio antenna (factory) but dear god was it rusty...

[Voltaire]

I take your Hillman Hunter and raise you the Singer Vogue. mmmmm badge engineering. had leather seats and a woodgrain dash.

or the Vauxhall Chevette I used to drive in the Post Office. it did wicked handbrake turns and jumps (I'm told)


I too 'worked' for the Post Office....I liked the Chevette...very thrashable...and the Mini's especially in the gravel....The Falcons could lay the rubber if you dropped the clutch at high enough revs.... ( apparently :innocent:)
I'm driving the same type of car I had then....a VW Beetle....:facepalm:

[cs363]

Shudder - now you have done it, invoked the brown corduroy trouser wearing god (well technically a demon of the outer circle of hell) of crappy english cars that were 'quite good in their day'.... This thread is doomed!

If anyone even mentions a Marina....... :sick:


:facepalm: Oh fuck...

[awa355]

If anyone even mentions a Marina....... :sick:


:facepalm: Oh fuck...

Hey!! I owned one of them:shit:

Travelled to a bike racing meeting at Mansfield back in the 80's. Never got to the race track, spent all our accomodation money in a garage at Fielding getting the water pump/radiator repaired.

[GrayWolf]

If anyone even mentions a Marina....... :sick:


:facepalm: Oh fuck...

I raise your marina...... Austin Allegro :x

[ktm84mxc]

Lets just say anything BMC were utter crap & worthy of being used for boat anchors only. Mum had a Marina coupe so classy in bright yellow, Yuck.

[Kickaha]

I raise your marina...... Austin Allegro :x

I call your Allegro and raise you a Austin Maxi

[Voltaire]

I call your Allegro and raise you a Austin Maxi

My wife had a Nash Metropolitan and a Morris 1800...... :facepalm:

[Kickaha]

My wife had a Nash Metropolitan and a Morris 1800...... :facepalm:

I think that's the winning hand

[cs363]

Well, this is a downward spiral - at least no one has admitted to membership of the Morris Marina Owners Club.... (or any other previously mentioned offensive marques owners clubs!)

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[Taz]

You guys are all missing the best Austin out there the Tasman. Now there's an english car that made ford (Aust) and Holden shake in their boots. :lol:

[awa355]

Lets just say anything BMC were utter crap & worthy of being used for boat anchors only. Mum had a Marina coupe so classy in bright yellow, Yuck.

I assume you are not a boatie. What skipper in his right mind would use an anchor thats full of rust before it even hits the salt water?

[ktm84mxc]

For got to say first fill it with concrete or builders rubble. Same cud be said of any viva,veloux, cresta etc & vanguard.

[AllanC]

Huh! Was just looking at the cover of Just Bikes (Aust. Bike trader mag) and right there on the cover is a CB400F for A$8,750. Maybe NZ$10k isn't so bad after all!

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-400488539.htm

this is still expensive at $6k isn't it? didnt they have gearboxes made of chocolate?

but at least it isn't $20k like last time.

[PeteJ]

1. $6K is very expensive for what it is - plenty of cosmetic restoration to be done. Paint, badges, woo hoo...Yes, a good one could be that, but this ain't a good one, by my standards, anyway. Neither original nor looking like it, and that's where the money is.

2. The early ones lost 5th gear - I think it was - if the gearbox oil wasn't kept right up - original spec for 1300ml, for the GT500 raised to 1500ml, as lots of people were running in them by then anyway.

3. By the look of the pics, bugger all's been done mechanically, either.

[MIXONE]

i had one in the early 70's.Learnt to do burnouts on it.Apart from the odd clutch cable it never gave me any grief.Replaced it with a 550 and learnt how to replace the middle piston in the kitchen of a small flat with little more then a crescent and a screwdriver.:laugh: