Wheelie tips anyone? [Archive]

Westy_mate

27th July 2011, 12:45

Hey guys,

so as the Tittle states, i would like to start learning how to do to sit down clutch wheelies

My bike as follows:
05-06 ZX6R
stock gearing
Yoshi RS-5 Slip on with PCIII
GPRV4 Damper

I've tried a couple of times and got the front wheel off the ground by half a wheel

Any helpful tips? first gear? second?

My biggest worry is 12 o clocking... how long do I need to pull the clutch in for? increase of throttle when the clutch is disengaged? RPM's?

obviously i cover my rear break.

any help would be appreciated

thanks again!

Dane

bogan

27th July 2011, 12:53

Avoid doing this

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The only more practical tip I have, is get a dirtbike, those things wheelie very easily, and binning doesn't cost fuck all.

White trash

27th July 2011, 13:14

600 Sports bikes are a piece of piss to wheelie.

Have a read of this. It breaks it down quite well.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/28024-How-to-wheelie-a-MUST-read

Westy_mate

27th July 2011, 13:25

1. Im always in full leathers
2. Love that video!
3. ill check that link out thanks!

anyone in the auckland Region willing to go for a ride? i know a few really nice empty streets perfect for wheelies!

DEATH_INC.

27th July 2011, 13:44

The only more practical tip I have, is get a dirtbike, those things wheelie very easily, and binning doesn't cost fuck all.
Wheelying a dirtbike is nothing like a roadbike. Waste of time learning on one unless you wanna wheelie a dirtbike.
You got your problem in one though, you're scared of flipping it. Until you get over that, you're f*cked.
Don't worry about the rear brake either, it's just another thing to think about, and if you need it you'll probably be rooted anyway, which brings me to the most important bit, never ever take your feet off the pegs, even if the plate is digging up the asphalt, you'll still have half a chance to save it. Removing your feet gaurantees rearward weight transfer and an unpleasant landing.

bogan

27th July 2011, 14:05

Wheelying a dirtbike is nothing like a roadbike. Waste of time learning on one unless you wanna wheelie a dirtbike.

I figure you learn to balance a dirtbike with the throttle, and on a roadbike, you balance it with the throttle too. Unless it is just the lifting the wheel we are talking about, then I guess it is pretty different, no clutch needed on a CR125 :woohoo: shift points probably a bit harder to get right though...

rapid van cleef

27th July 2011, 14:27

try the MCN site(motorcycle news -uk motorbike press). i know they made a tutorial series and released it on dvd, one of which was how to wheelie.

Westy_mate

27th July 2011, 14:32

try the MCN site(motorcycle news -uk motorbike press). i know they made a tutorial series and released it on dvd, one of which was how to wheelie.

Ive seen it, not too great actually, doesnt show any clutch or throttle control and only skims over it. was hoping for a more personal approach

fokky

27th July 2011, 14:44

fear is your obsticle mate.the thought of the road munching your pride and joy to ribbons.........did i mention pride?
go and practice.......in a safe place

Westy_mate

27th July 2011, 15:14

fear is your obsticle mate.the thought of the road munching your pride and joy to ribbons.........did i mention pride?
go and practice.......in a safe place

Practice i shall.ive had a couple of close calls where ive got a decent height wheelie oging then dropped the throttle straight away to stop it from flipping. too much throttle in first.

YellowDog

27th July 2011, 15:26

If that is what you really want to start doing to your bike, YouTube is your friend :yes:

rapid van cleef

27th July 2011, 17:46

Ive seen it, not too great actually, doesnt show any clutch or throttle control and only skims over it. was hoping for a more personal approach

the one ive got from mcn shows onboard cam from helmet of levers and bars with commentary. theres around 4 or 5 stages. its hosted by an american guy. each stage progressing and leading to full on stand up wheelie shananigins. ive watched it, but dont fancy getting it wrong and destroying my bike. although if i had a cheapie, id try it.

good luck.

oh.... i remember being told that it destroys your forks too. is that correct i wonder?

DEATH_INC.

27th July 2011, 18:39

I figure you learn to balance a dirtbike with the throttle, and on a roadbike, you balance it with the throttle too. Unless it is just the lifting the wheel we are talking about, then I guess it is pretty different, no clutch needed on a CR125 :woohoo: shift points probably a bit harder to get right though...
Ya, but they are still completely different, engine response, balance point, weight blah blah blah.

DEATH_INC.

27th July 2011, 18:41

oh.... i remember being told that it destroys your forks too. is that correct i wonder?
Only if you make a habit of crashing it down off the limiter etc, and it farks the head bearings, and even the frame if you're rough enough...

DEATH_INC.

27th July 2011, 18:46

Practice i shall.ive had a couple of close calls where ive got a decent height wheelie oging then dropped the throttle straight away to stop it from flipping. too much throttle in first.
Try to roll, not snap it off, you need to control the descent as much as bringing it up. And it'll come up way higher than you think without flipping, but work your way up to it.
Practice bringing it up, then setting it down again (gently) then slowly go higher and further each time. But take your time, get comfortable with each stage before moving on.

DEATH_INC.

27th July 2011, 18:55

Ive seen it, not too great actually, doesnt show any clutch or throttle control and only skims over it. was hoping for a more personal approach
This bit is fairly easy. Practice taking off from a standstill fast, get the rpms up and feed in (not drop) the clutch, do this a bit more aggressively each time until the front starts to lift, which should be around the point it comes on song nicely. This is exactly the same action you use to pull it up, get moving a bit then feed in some more throttle at the same time slipping the clutch to bring the revs up to that sweet spot, then feed in the clutch again (fairly quickly, but still don't 'snap' it) while dialing on more gas. The exact rpms and the speed you feed in the clutch varies from bike to bike, so use the knowledge from those takeoffs to get it right. As you get better you'll find less slip is needed and you'll wonder why it wasn't this easy before.

Brett

27th July 2011, 19:05

This bit is fairly easy. Practice taking off from a standstill fast, get the rpms up and feed in (not drop) the clutch, do this a bit more aggressively each time until the front starts to lift, which should be around the point it comes on song nicely. This is exactly the same action you use to pull it up, get moving a bit then feed in some more throttle at the same time slipping the clutch to bring the revs up to that sweet spot, then feed in the clutch again (fairly quickly, but still don't 'snap' it) while dialing on more gas. The exact rpms and the speed you feed in the clutch varies from bike to bike, so use the knowledge from those takeoffs to get it right. As you get better you'll find less slip is needed and you'll wonder why it wasn't this easy before.

Death...what is your opinion on clutched wheelies vs off the throttle? (600 should do both...)

DEATH_INC.

27th July 2011, 19:12

Death...what is your opinion on clutched wheelies vs off the throttle? (600 should do both...)
I use the clutch, I reckon it's much more controlled than off the throttle. You can get it up and settled at a lower speed. I even usta clutch the ZX12 up in first.
Though some big f*ckers seem to be able to just yank it up at an idle...

onearmedbandit

27th July 2011, 20:01

What made the biggest difference to my wheelies was getting a friend to video me. What felt like 'almost flipping' turned out to be an embarrassing 2ft high lol. With this knowledge I rode past that mental limit and found the sweetspot.

White trash

28th July 2011, 13:39

getting a friend to video me.

Not interested in your dwarf porn appearances mate, this is a biker forum and a family show. Thanks all the same.

Westy_mate

28th July 2011, 17:23

This bit is fairly easy. Practice taking off from a standstill fast, get the rpms up and feed in (not drop) the clutch, do this a bit more aggressively each time until the front starts to lift, which should be around the point it comes on song nicely. This is exactly the same action you use to pull it up, get moving a bit then feed in some more throttle at the same time slipping the clutch to bring the revs up to that sweet spot, then feed in the clutch again (fairly quickly, but still don't 'snap' it) while dialing on more gas. The exact rpms and the speed you feed in the clutch varies from bike to bike, so use the knowledge from those takeoffs to get it right. As you get better you'll find less slip is needed and you'll wonder why it wasn't this easy before.

I must say, ive never been told to slip the clutch when trying to wheelie, its always been quite an aggressive clutch pump. Ill give it go anyway!

BASS-TREBLE

28th July 2011, 17:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z1KK9wokDc&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_474670

DEATH_INC.

28th July 2011, 21:32

I must say, ive never been told to slip the clutch when trying to wheelie, its always been quite an aggressive clutch pump. Ill give it go anyway!
It's kinda hard to describe, it is a fairly quick motion, but still actual slip, not just a pump....

White trash

28th July 2011, 21:34

I must say, ive never been told to slip the clutch when trying to wheelie, its always been quite an aggressive clutch pump. Ill give it go anyway!

Look. I suggest you PM Death_inc and organise a meet up so he can show you how it's done. You're obviously the "hands on" type of learner and no ammount of description online will help you out.

DEATH_INC.

28th July 2011, 21:47

Look. I suggest you PM Death_inc and organise a meet up so he can show you how it's done. You're obviously the "hands on" type of learner and no ammount of description online will help you out.
Na man, that shit's illegal in these here parts.... :innocent:

Westy_mate

29th July 2011, 09:36

Na man, that shit's illegal in these here parts.... :innocent:

Hahaha i know a few perfect roads actually!
anyone keen?!

racefactory

30th July 2011, 18:04

DEATH_INC.

31st July 2011, 15:20

Learn it on a bicycle. I wheelie for pretty much however long I want on bicycles but I guess have always been too chicken to put it onto expensive motorbikes. (I often come off the back on the bicycle), now I have a motard that will change though :p :p

Bicycles again are completely different. I can't wheelie one for shit. Lb could wheelie the whole Taupo racetrack on 1, but hardly do the back straight on the old track on a motorcycle.

DEATH_INC.

31st July 2011, 15:22

Hahaha i know a few perfect roads actually!
anyone keen?!
I'll come out with ya some time, just a little busy these days. Next time we plan on a ride I'll pm ya and you can come, I'll see what I can teach ya.

Westy_mate

1st August 2011, 10:20

I'll come out with ya some time, just a little busy these days. Next time we plan on a ride I'll pm ya and you can come, I'll see what I can teach ya.

sounds good, im looking forward to it!

White trash

1st August 2011, 10:25

Bicycles again are completely different. I can't wheelie one for shit. Lb could wheelie the whole Taupo racetrack on 1, but hardly do the back straight on the old track on a motorcycle.

+1. Luke and Bruce used to ride down the L/Hutt side of the Wainui hill on their mountain bikes, overtaking cars on one wheel. Luke is fucking pathetic at wheelies on motorbikes. Except quads.

Kruzah

18th August 2011, 18:48

Quasievil

19th August 2011, 08:05

DO cover the rear brake. That shit is gonna save you when it goes back to far. I'll give ya wheelie lessons for a bit of a price. I learnt on street bikes first and know what I'm talking about. PM me on here or check out www.stuntnz.com for contact deetz

Yeah youre good at stunts dude, seen you a few times, whats the price for lessons ?? Im thinking a wheelie school is a good idea in the tron !

Death and Whitetrash are simply wheelie legends as well, been riding with these two homos for years and they are awesome at wheelies

Westy_mate

19th August 2011, 11:19

Wheelies this Sunday? anyone? PM me

bogan

19th August 2011, 11:29

Wheelies this Sunday? anyone? PM me

Make sure to take a camera, if you do something wheelie spectacular like ducatilover, we want some footage :D

DEATH_INC.

19th August 2011, 11:35

Wheelies this Sunday? anyone? PM me
Kinda got something else planned, will let ya know...

DEATH_INC.

19th August 2011, 11:38

DO cover the rear brake. That shit is gonna save you when it goes back to far.
Really? At low speed it may well work, but at higher road speeds you don't need it, and it's just another distraction someone learning doesn't need. In around 25 years of wheeliing I've never needed it.

george formby

19th August 2011, 11:41

A chupa chup for the member who can tell me who's thoughts are missing from this thread..:shifty:

Quasievil

19th August 2011, 11:45

A chupa chup for the member who can tell me who's thoughts are missing from this thread..:shifty:...............katman?

DEATH_INC.

19th August 2011, 11:46

A chupa chup for the member who can tell me who's thoughts are missing from this thread..:shifty:
Yer, but we're doing it in the safety of our own homes :laugh:

george formby

19th August 2011, 11:49

Yer, but we're doing it in the safety of our own homes :laugh:

So are they at the moment:dodge:

Westy_mate

19th August 2011, 14:28

how about Saturday? sat works for me :P
i always cover the rear brake, prob will never need it because i dont plan on shooting for 12 at this point. slow baby steps :Punk:

Westy_mate

19th August 2011, 14:29

Make sure to take a camera, if you do something wheelie spectacular like ducatilover, we want some footage :D

Ill have my Contour as always :P

you guys saw my last low side with it right?

DEATH_INC.

19th August 2011, 16:05

how about Saturday? sat works for me :P
i always cover the rear brake, prob will never need it because i dont plan on shooting for 12 at this point. slow baby steps :Punk:
Can't do saturdays normally....working :no:

tigertim20

19th August 2011, 16:51

A chupa chup for the member who can tell me who's thoughts are missing from this thread..:shifty:

you must be talking about the greatest rider to ever grace KB's boards, goes by the name of chancebmx or sommat right?:shifty:

Westy_mate

19th August 2011, 17:09

you must be talking about the greatest rider to ever grace KB's boards, goes by the name of chancebmx or sommat right?:shifty:

HAHAHAHAHAH!
that was my "lol" for the day

Westy_mate

19th August 2011, 17:09

Can't do saturdays normally....working :no:

PM me if your free :)
or txt me on 0210592568

shonofear

19th August 2011, 18:03

would it be possible on my new but old '96' Suzuki Bandit 250? i'd imagine to be a lot harder and have to rev more to get her up ?

Westy_mate

24th August 2011, 14:46

would it be possible on my new but old '96' Suzuki Bandit 250? i'd imagine to be a lot harder and have to rev more to get her up ?

you would have to bounce it up :laugh:

shonofear

24th August 2011, 14:50

ha, yea maybe a little ramp to get me up

Westy_mate

24th August 2011, 15:10

ha, yea maybe a little ramp to get me up

but seriously, you will need to give it a hell lot of throttle or you could ease on the throttle drop it and as it leans forward from the lack of throttle, bounce it back up whilst opening the gas completely up. used to (try) and do that with my 250 aha

Kruzah

28th August 2011, 11:27

Yeah youre good at stunts dude, seen you a few times, whats the price for lessons ?? Im thinking a wheelie school is a good idea in the tron !

Death and Whitetrash are simply wheelie legends as well, been riding with these two homos for years and they are awesome at wheelies

Cheers man!! It really depends on how many people/how much time etc. I might try sort something out if theres enough interest. Like a weekend training school or something.

And as for the rear brake thing, engine brake doesnt always pull it back down and when you're learning, and getting it back furthur and furthur, its the one thing that will bring you back when you go too far. And learning them at slower speeds brakes less shit on you/your bike.

Bikemad

30th August 2011, 09:39

i would be interested Kruzah............pm me when you get something sorted....cheers

Westy_mate

30th August 2011, 11:04

im interested too. unfortunately since ive been ripping them quite a lot lately ive fucked my chain and sprockets not to mention some asswipe hit and run me yesterday and took out my number plate etc.

Ive finally learnt to get it about 3-4 feet up now :)

i should have a new chain and sprockets in a couple of weeks and then give me a week to wear em in :P

or else ill just hammer the shit out of my current set.

Westy_mate

8th September 2011, 09:24

Whos keen for a wheelie practice this sat? anyone know any places? txt me on 0210592568, i know a place in albany.

shonofear

8th September 2011, 10:26

i'll come and watch and try an get me 250 up :P

Westy_mate

8th September 2011, 16:34

i'll come and watch and try an get me 250 up :P

yeah bro come along!
hit me up with a txt closer to the time. how does 1-2PM sound?

DEATH_INC.

8th September 2011, 18:47

i'll come and watch and try an get me 250 up :P
It can be done, I've wheelied a gn250, (actually fairly easy) and a ZXR 250. It does take a bit of effort tho....

Westy_mate

9th September 2011, 12:41

It can be done, I've wheelied a gn250, (actually fairly easy) and a ZXR 250. It does take a bit of effort tho....

Even more reason to come along!

shonofear

9th September 2011, 13:50

yeah bro come along!
hit me up with a txt closer to the time. how does 1-2PM sound?

sounds aight. where u live at? or wheres this place at?
im at Kingsland.
O22O 371 431
cheers

Westy_mate

9th September 2011, 15:31

sounds aight. where u live at? or wheres this place at?
im at Kingsland.
O22O 371 431
cheers

Ill give you a txt, i live in Albany so not far from the place (its a 2 min ride from mine)

Westy_mate

10th September 2011, 10:09

we still on for today! got a couple of guys if anyone else is keen?

shonofear

10th September 2011, 10:16

weather is frickin sensational today,
lets pop sum monos :P or at least try to

Westy_mate

10th September 2011, 11:11

weather is frickin sensational today,
lets pop sum monos :P or at least try to

lol head around to mine when your ready

shonofear

10th September 2011, 19:25

mmm me thinks may take longer to learn than initially thought.
though didnt get a real crack at it, too much copa heat round the roads atm.
Westy_mate has got it pretty much down

tigertim20

10th September 2011, 19:41

wheres all the vids of all these awesome wheelies then aye?

scumdog

10th September 2011, 20:19

Westy_mate

11th September 2011, 09:44

wheres all the vids of all these awesome wheelies then aye?

I got some on my helmet cam, i was hoping today would be nice so i could get someone else to chuck the cam on theirs and get some good ones.. but oh well. next week :P bikes no getting serviced till next weekend.

Westy_mate

11th September 2011, 09:46

mmm me thinks may take longer to learn than initially thought.
though didnt get a real crack at it, too much copa heat round the roads atm.
Westy_mate has got it pretty much down

yeah man we didnt get a good chance to do anything really... stupid Auckland council and undercover cops... the minute we left my radar went nuts... next weekend, i will go for a ride out in the flats and find another nice quiet road for us.